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What buggies will I need with two?

(42 Posts)
Liveinthepresent Sat 15-Dec-12 16:01:47

Really dont have a clue what to expect - all being well dd will be 2.3 when I will have a newborn. grin

Currently we have a bugaboo chameleon which I plan to use again in carrycot mode for newborn.

I am assuming/hoping we can use a buggy board for short trips - or that dd will be using a mini micro by then.
But imagine I will on occasion need some sort of double buggy.
That's all I know!

I was planning to buy a mclaren techno or similar for DD but am now wondering if I need to think longer term and what other options there are.

Will I need something like a Phil and Teds?

Really need help!

KateShmate Sat 15-Dec-12 16:15:54

Have you thought about the 'twoo seat' for the chameleon? Is really good, especially for legs that do get tired, even standing up.

Personally I'd say that it's always good to have a double there if you need it. Sometimes you need to quickly pop somewhere without having a 2YO walking like a snail. Also good if you need to go shopping - can stick them both in the buggy with something to look at or eat!

I can't advise much about the maclaren techno as have never had one, although have pushed a friends double maclaren and it was unbelievably hard!

Phil and Teds could well be the answer - I wasn't keen on it when I had a newborn and a toddler, but know many people that loved it. It was brilliant when baby was 5/6 months and able to sit in big seat with toddler in extra back seat!

How much does your DD walk? If she isn't much of a 'walker', have you thought about a Bugaboo Donkey? (I will be very jealous though!) grin

The type of buggy you want also depends on what you'd use it for - if you live in the country (narrow paths and doorways, small shops) or go shopping a lot then you would probably want a tandem buggy for ease. Then again if you're doing lots of walking then a side-by-side may be okay for you.

BikeRunSki Sat 15-Dec-12 16:33:08

You'll need some kind of double for 2 occassions:

1. When you are out all day and your older child needs to sleep.
2. When the baby is crying and the toddler is screaming and you just have to get out of the house!

I have a three year gap. Bought a P&T Sport with doubles kit and carry-cot cocoon on eBay. It was invaluable when DD was newborn last winter for getting DS is nursery in cold/dark /rain. Fairly useful for days out this last summer. Sold ot on eBay last week for pretty much what I paid for it.

Lots of people don't have a double with a 2 year age gap (my mother didn't wink), but I don't really know how they do it...

FWIW, I had a Double Nipper and loved it. It is a side-by-side buggy which allowed them both the same 'view' and hitting each other. It turned on a sixpence, was light, easily foldable and sturdy, even off-road.

When we no longer needed it I bought a single off ebay which I also love. Shame DS4 will soon not need/want a buggy anymore!

KateShmate Sat 15-Dec-12 16:50:45

Or bikerunski when you are in the middle of a busy place and newborn is screaming because they are hungry, and toddler starts having huge tantrum! Stuff them in and off you go! grin

milkymocha Sat 15-Dec-12 16:54:55

Bugaboo donkey!

BikeRunSki Sat 15-Dec-12 17:18:47

Yes, sometimes you just need to go, from wherever you are. I was lucky that my 3yo still slept in the afternoons when DD was born. The P&T let me get out for a walk occasionally, even if it was never very long between feeds!

I have "replaced" my P&T with a single Nipper 360 for DD, which is fantastic. I highly recommend it, and would definitely advise considering a double if width is not an issue.

KateShmate Sat 15-Dec-12 17:37:54

Do you have one milky ? Is it amazing?
I so desperately want one but it would be quite ridiculous to buy one now as my youngest are triplets and they're 3 now! Although to be fair, they are in the buggy quite a lot of the time as it turns into a nightmare if they come out. We've got a huge ABC buggy and I'm so desperate to go back to a 'normal' buggy!
I even bought a Bee+ for all the nonexistent times that I take one of them out at a time! grin

KateShmate Sat 15-Dec-12 17:38:26

Many a time bikerunski , many a time!

milkymocha Sat 15-Dec-12 18:08:55

Yes Kate i do own a donkey. I have had it for 10 months now and would definitely recommend !!! Although not quite sure if i recommend it for your Triplets (wow by the way, take my hat off to you!) my boy is 2.8y and just about squeezes in ut height wise!

The new style bugaboo buggy board is fantastic, very sturdy and robust. I feel very confident with my LO on it!

The donkey is the same width as a 'normal' double side (74cm i believe).
The only downside is the price!!! angry

KateShmate Sat 15-Dec-12 18:59:21

Oohhhh don't tell me about the small seats! Is he quite a big boy as my girls are pretty small for 3. <hopeful>
Which buggy board is that? The twoo one that is triangular-ish shape?
Please say that you would recommend it.. my girls can just have their knees up by their ears can't they?
I really am tempted with one because I always take the 'easy option' of putting them all in the buggy, but really they need to start walking more. Having a double (i.e. donkey) would mean that I have to have 1 out walking and then they could take it in turns. I have 3 very different walkers - 1 who is desperate to walk all the time, 1 who has a condition that means she gets tired really easily, so will be in a buggy a lot longer than the other 2, and 1 in the middle who isn't really fussed either way.

Yep, downside to Bugaboo's are always the price.. but I do think they're worth it. If only they did a tandem Bee - my life would be complete!

KateShmate Sat 15-Dec-12 19:00:07

I do love the snack trays too..

Overberries Sat 15-Dec-12 19:13:02

Was in exactly the same situation - don't get rid of the chameleon what ever you do! I've found it fab again the second time and agile enough to keep up with DS on his mini micro (even taught him to ride his bike without stabilisers with chameleon in other hand). We did succumb though and went for a second hand P&T. It's been fantastic in many situations but I do struggle with it in shops or once DS has bailed out and is loose!

Liveinthepresent Sat 15-Dec-12 19:28:00

Thanks everyone - as I suspected it is not straightforward - but clearly consensus is I will need some sort of double buggy.
Will start looking around properly - I love the look of the donkey but it does look enormous and where on earth do you store all these enormous carts?!
Does a donkey fit in a normal car boot.. Actually I shouldn't even start considering it - I think DH will have heart failure at the expense after shelling out already for a chameleon.

So on a bit of a digress here but what I forgot to put in OP is that I have plenty of time to decide and research this as am not due til June - and I will wait a good while before buying anything for superstition reasons and the fact that I can't predict how far DD will want to walk by then.

In the meantime would it in your expert opinions be worthwhile getting a maclaren ( or similar) for DD in the interim so we don't have to use the chameleon for short trips and can free up the boot when we go away - or is this just going to lie unused once new baby arrives and mean we may end up with 3 buggies - which sounds excessive!

Liveinthepresent Sat 15-Dec-12 19:34:35

Oh forgot to say - BikeRunSki don't terrify me any more than I already am!!
I keep trying to tell myself it will all be fine...

KateShmate wow for triplets ! Thanks for the mention of the twoo seat - I assume it's this -

It looks fab - great idea!

milkymocha Sat 15-Dec-12 19:35:52

My boy is quite tall in comparision to his friends (not sure in terms of averages), he has room to sit though although can only strap him around the waist as the harness straps are not big enough! not that he would wear them!

I use the official new style bugaboo board, i have hummed and ahhed about the twoo seat so iam interested in reviews of that myself. When buying i questioned how long i would use it for and was told it went up to the average height/weight of a 3.5year old if necessary. Although i would question that heightwise sad

It might be worthwhile for you though if your child who is unable to walk further than his/her siblings needs to use the pram for longer than your other two as The donkey in mono is wonderful. Although i know you said you love your bee!

If you have facebook i will direct you to a 'donkey' group iam a part if you wanted others opinions smile

BikeRunSki Sat 15-Dec-12 21:10:46

Live Don't worry - you'll be too tired to be scared.... wink It'll be fine, really.

Violet77 Sat 15-Dec-12 21:15:27

Just buy a sling your flexible then, baby in sling toddler in push, or baby in push, toddler walks. My little one refused pushchair after 10 m ( walking) it would have been a waste of money.

Ihateparties Sat 15-Dec-12 21:27:14

Hahahahahahaha at 10m old refusing the pushchair <falls off chair laughing>


No, it's no good, there's nothing I can say to that grin

Oh I've had under 1 buggy refusenixs too, but at that age I was still stronger than them <<flexes biceps>> grin

Ihateparties Sat 15-Dec-12 21:49:17


KateShmate Sat 15-Dec-12 23:12:11

Think I would be worried if I wasn't able to restrain my 10MO baby.. grin

Liveinthepresent Sat 15-Dec-12 23:16:37

Thanks BikeRunSki that made me feel much better. hmm

Violet good point - definitely need to look at slings too. Had a baby bjorn last time - barely used it.

Ihateparties Sun 16-Dec-12 00:21:08

live it WILL be fine, I have 3.. all alive.. and I'm a complete idiot. They've stolen my brain but who cares hmm

Liveinthepresent Sun 16-Dec-12 16:44:09

Thanks ihateparties I have already kind of given up on my brain so that's ok grin

Violet77 Mon 17-Dec-12 18:59:55

I know... i'm one of those led by my child parents. ( can't abide constant screaming) That 10 month old (2) can now walk miles.

Ihateparties Mon 17-Dec-12 20:08:17

<musing what would occur if I picked a child daily to be led by> I do genuinely wonder how it works with more kids, conflicting needs etc :-) Oh and those kids who scream whatever happens <stares pointedly at dc1>

In this context - use or not of a double pushchair - there are so many factors at work in different people's lives, with different children, how much you walk or not, the environment you live and walk in, other children you have, so many things. Very often the use or not of a double doesn't primarily lie with direct waking ability, most 2 year olds can walk miles after all, but with other factors at play in people's lives.

I love slings, I love pushchair, I even love walking, a balance is lovely for me... Do what works for you and your kids :-D

Violet77 Mon 17-Dec-12 21:11:04

Well if your child wants to walk and screams to walk...why would you buckle them into a pushchair?

If your child wants to eat real food and asks to be weaned why would you not??

If your child removes their nappy and asks for potty...would you not potty train them?

If your child hates the highchair and wants to stand on a chair...whats the purpose of forcing them into a highchair?

If your child climbs out of a cot....

I believe children will dictate pace for you, theres no rush but they will let you know when they are ready.....

There are enough battles in life.

Ihateparties Mon 17-Dec-12 21:24:08

Gosh, we'd have to get up sooooo early to get to school at the pace of 10m old DC3. grin

Could home school 'em all I guess?? <hmmmm>

Violet77 Mon 17-Dec-12 21:54:43

Lord free school.

Depends how far you live...we are a five mim walk. ( ten or fifteen at small (10m) person pace) otherwise he rides bike or scooter now, much fater.

StrawberryMonkey Mon 17-Dec-12 22:18:17

Gosh, imagining what time I'd need to set off to walk the 1.5miles to school at 10m old pace....I wonder how far you'd need to walk before 10m old would be asking for a ride in the buggy?!
Perhaps that's the secret of giving up a buggy so early, not actually walking more than 5 minutes to any given destination.

Tiggywunkle Mon 17-Dec-12 22:19:15

LOL I would buckle a child in who was screaming to walk simply because of that!! I expect any child of mine who wants to walk to be sensible enough to walk and not screaming at me!
And no I wouldnt potty train a child who takes their nappy off - they need to have the mental understanding to potty train.
I would never let children stand on a chair - I would sit them on a chair where they were happy and suitably and safely restrained until they were old enough to sit without needing to be restrained.
etc etc.
Equally a 10 month old is often FAR easier to handle walking than a 2 year old who thinks they know it all and can disappear on you faster than grease lightening.

There are all manner of reasons to use a pushchair but usually top of the list is the child's safety, followed by the need to get from a to b easily and quickly. If I were in a park then I would fully expect a walking child to want to have a meander and mooch around. But if I am by a busy main road eg outside my house, then I want them strapped in and safe. Believe me when my 4 year old had a tantrum on me in a china shop the other day I would have never been so happy to see a double pushchair....sadly we didn't have one, it all went horribly wrong and we had to head home. A double pushchair gives sanity, speed, safety and more when you need it most....thats not to say you always need it smile

Ihateparties Mon 17-Dec-12 23:09:53

<coughing fit brought on by laughing at tantrum in china shop> They don't half pick their times do they!

bubbles1231 Mon 17-Dec-12 23:17:32

we had a travel system thing for DS1. When DS2 was born 2 years later, I used a sling for the baby until he was too big. At that point he used the travel system and DS1 walked.
We also had a packpack which was suitable for up to age 2 and I combined that with a cheap stroller for DS1 if we had further to go.

Tiggywunkle Mon 17-Dec-12 23:24:27

Oh believe me....I have only just started to venture out with no double pushchair, and we hadn't gone too far into a shopping complex when she suddenly had melt down for no obvious reason with a whole display of china teacups inches behind her and I just could not get through to her that she could break the whole lot, nor could I move her forwards. One by one all privileges were removed and nothing was working.......

In the end some fabulous sales lady had been listening in and she told DD that losing her bedtime story as well would be a real shame and told her her really nicely that if she didn't behave then Father Christmas wouldn't come!!!

Can I just add that my DD was a complete angel until she hit 2 and a half and walked everywhere when she was a single child!! Two are a different kettle of fish though!

Violet77 Tue 18-Dec-12 07:19:51

My four year is is way past tantrums now.
Maybe if you didn't force them to do things they would be better behaved?

It's bloody minded and mean to do things to children against their will just for the sake of it. It's is not dangerous to walk, or stand on a chair. A child who removes a nappy wants to be potty trained...and indeed was as 18m.

I'm not anti pushchair, i mearly suggested it might be a needless expense.

StrawberryMonkey Tue 18-Dec-12 18:36:58

Toddlers standing and walking on chairs are at risk of falling off. Falling off a chair can be dangerous.

My children removed their nappies and potty trained themselves at 3. Reliably potty trained within hours too I might add!

My 4y old rarely has tantrums but I wouldn't say never ever has them.

We find the pushchair very useful, but I don't drive, walk everywhere and lots of the places we need to get to involve several miles walking (around 7 to 10 miles in all weathers) and we often have to go to them whether we feel like it or not.

Violett77 you are in favour of free education. Do your children have the same viewpoint as yourself? What would happen if they decided they didn't want to attend school?

HypatiaTheProcrastinator Tue 18-Dec-12 23:20:12

It would be dangerous to walk near a busy road if the child was potentially going to fall over or run off to chase a passing leaf! That's irrelevant of age. By your theory, a child who removes their trousers on a winter's day is ready to not wear trousers while outside. I hope you wouldn't think that was a good plan.

I do generally follow my daughter's cues on things and I allow her to do things most parents don't, but she's an only child and we don't usually walk long distances so we have that luxury. It would be extremely unusual for a 10 month old to never need a pushchair or sling but be able to walk everywhere but it completely depends on your lifestyle. Sometimes people need to do things they don't especially want to do and personally I don't think it's a good idea to bring up a child thinking they can do whatever they like whenever they like.

Ihateparties Tue 18-Dec-12 23:29:41

I'm glad there are such great parents out there violet, to make up for the rest of us with considerably less conviction in the providence of their day to day parenting decisions. You should write a book for sure, if you have all the answers.

Read back what you have written, you are preaching reactive parenting tailored to the individual child at the same time as making statements like "it's not dangerous to... stand on a chair" when patently in some cases for some children that just isn't true. There are all sorts of possible situations where it can be dangerous, ditto young babies and toddlers walking. It's great that you're happy with what you're doing but to use your experiences as a way of attacking the decisions others make doesn't exactly reflect well on you.

TwoSillyHatsWithBellsOn Tue 18-Dec-12 23:31:35

I got a P&T, which DS2 utterly hated. So I ended up pushing a huge great buggy containing DS1, with DS2 in the sling. The newborn cocoon bit made a great changing bag holder so it wasn't a total waste. grin

misdee Wed 19-Dec-12 07:45:53

A child never having a tantrum is not always a parenting related issues.

Child 1, rarely did
Child 2, did through frustration as couldn't speak
Child 3 an angel till hit age 5, then discovered her dramatic side
Child 4 OMG, never turn your back on her. Stubborn, and never forgets.
Child 5, sweet natured but more likely to pout and sulk at you
Child 6, only 8months old, no tantrums yet

We rarely use a high hair past the age of 1 or when they can safely SIT on a chair. Chairs aren't for standing on. Bums on seat, not feet.

One was potty trained at 4 years as she refused, earliest one was just age 2.

One could walk miles, one cannot due to mobility issues.

I have three of buggy using age, I generally sling one, have one in the buggy and a spare seat for the walking child for moments of tiredness, or unsafe areas of walking. We don't drive, go everywhere on foot. I always have a spare sling with me as well, in case two need to be carried.

I am very child led, but love and respect for each other is upmost. As is safety.

forevergreek Wed 19-Dec-12 12:17:18

We used the cameleon and buggy board fine with 16 month gap. Reins for youngest as safer. Take a sling and if needed pop oldest into carrycot. I also used to sit oldest over cameleon frame facing baby with legs over ech side and holding onto handle ( if that makes sense). Was a handy way of Etting two little ones off a bus.

Personally I wouldn't get a double with your age gap as by 2 years oldest had been walking / on board of over 6 months already. I think just et her used to walking and no buggy before hand and will be easier. Also means that if you pop to get some milk/ park then by the time you are back they have had a fair bit of walking/ excercise and they nap in the afternoon with youngest

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