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We've got the Push factor, which prams are going to the final and which are a little bit karaoke...we decide

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Honeydragon Mon 14-Nov-11 23:57:57 can be Gary Barlow wink

Honeydragon Mon 14-Nov-11 23:58:53

New thread, as we'll kill it before Christmas I though we'd be topical.....

Honeydragon Mon 14-Nov-11 23:59:12

I know what you mean about the Oyster Tiggy, they are trying too hard to be something they are not and close up the accessories are bit.... meh.

Oh good lord,

Tiggy, we're pushchair snobs grin

Tiggywunkle Tue 15-Nov-11 00:01:47

Oh no....that would be disloyal to my years of Robbie fandom blush
I kind of like that title - we should do our own awards / elimination thread. We could start with a list of pushchairs and slowly eliminate them. I bet I know which would win the MN pushchair of the year.....any guesses???

Tiggywunkle Tue 15-Nov-11 00:05:38

shock Snobs!!! shock nooooooo never! To be fair, some of the best pushchairs eg City Mini aren't the most expensive, but I do think to some degree you get what you pay for - that's also not saying the most expensive is the best. But take the little Noa - it's cheap but it does a particular job well. But equally (and I will eat my words if I ever try one and love it) I just don't 'get' the Stokke Xplory (sorry fans).

Honeydragon Tue 15-Nov-11 00:06:37

Suzie and I will reject the vista and babyjoggers on handle height wink

My aprica should be with me tomorrow, haven't heard from the seller so I assume it got collected ok.

Honeydragon Tue 15-Nov-11 00:09:10

True, I fail to see why so many people see Maclaren as a mark of quality. You can pick up an equally good supermarket umbrella fold for £25. maclaren are not what they used to be20 years ago by a long shot

Tiggywunkle Tue 15-Nov-11 00:10:53

Ok, so you read my mind! But you can't reject the Elite on handle height shock! it goes down lower than most of my other pushchairs. In fact I should get off the sofa and get my Babyzen v's Elite comparison photos live for Prams. I think it would help her. I finally have a local single pushchair tester too smile

Honeydragon Tue 15-Nov-11 00:14:27

I'd like an elite. Can you fold as one piece? An actual fold rather than a token one iyswim?

FriggsFlyingFalconFeathers Tue 15-Nov-11 00:17:05

im with you guys on the oyster...although the black framed ones nearly got me....

im sooooo glad i got a vista instead,i frigging LOVE my vistagrin
i love that the raincover fits neatly inside a pocket in the basket,i love the massive basket,i love the recline,i love the big seat,i love the sturdy frame,big wheels,compact fold,pushability,the piggyback is great too,as buggyboards go...

and if anyone was worried about the weight limit...
the other day DD got REALLY tired and fell asleep standing on the buggyboard! she kept wobbling and nearly fell off,she just couldnt stay awake,bless her,i was still 10 mins away from home and i didnt have the ergo (sling) with me,i had to do something ...
so i shifted DS forward and DD lay down behind him.
they both fit,and the vista did not budge,not even a tiny creak,nada!
and it still pushed effortlessly...
not that i recommend it,but it says something about the quality strength and durability of the vista.

so im in the market for a cheap double again...
oh,and im secretly buying my friends old BJCM for a compact blush

Honeydragon Tue 15-Nov-11 00:22:08

Hang on I'm not thinking of the elite at all am I I'm thinking of the select

Honeydragon Tue 15-Nov-11 00:22:48

Frigg youre norty grin

Tiggywunkle Tue 15-Nov-11 00:49:23

The City Select will fold with the seat on - in fact it folds rather neatly with both seats on. Its better with the old 2010 seats than the new 2011 ones though.
You need a Rumble Seat Frigg [wunk] but a BJCM sounds great smile

Tiggywunkle Tue 15-Nov-11 02:36:36

Pramsgalore These are for you grin
(Although I am not sure you are interested in the Qtro, but here you go!!)
Baby Jogger City Elite v's Recaro Babzen
Easywalker Qtro v's Recaro Babyzen
Baby Jogger City Elite v's Easywalker Qtro

Daisybell1 Tue 15-Nov-11 02:47:28

Marking place on new thread...

What was that conversation about having a support thread for OH's on here? Mine is def interested! On the other hand, would my dad be welcome here? He's my main pushchair tester/fixer (i introduced him to the bjcm earlier) but I didn't realise the extent of his addiction till he confessed that he accosted a woman in the street who had the same vintage urban detour asking if he could check the wheel bearing mechanism on it. So they turfed out the poor pram dweller and upended it in the street. Ladies - the source of my addiction I feel!

PS is any one around on the 27th? There's a nearly new baby sale and I feel I may need real time encouragement dissuasion from buying anything grin

Tiggywunkle Tue 15-Nov-11 03:06:23

Lolol re your dad! I am sure he would be most welcome! At least you can blame him for your addiction! I don't think I have any genetic excuse - my dad prefers fixing hoovers!
I'm sure I will be here on the 27th but I like hearing about new purchases so I won't be dissuading you!
I am also glad I am not the only one up at silly o'clock!

Daisybell1 Tue 15-Nov-11 03:42:16

My 7 week old pram dweller is lying here kicking and smiling after her late feed, and not sleeping!

suzie38 Tue 15-Nov-11 07:02:55

New thread...Actually went to bed earlier last night...I had a black Oyster as wasn't overly impressed but it was ok...I hated the hood as it just doesn't fold back neatly...I've been invited to go to an Orbit Baby focus group!!! Possibility of being a tester and or getting a discount when on sale in the UK...Only issue is it's in London, including an evening as well as an afternoon discussion...I can't leave DD with DH as he's almost 100% deaf so wouldn't have any idea if she woke and cried in the night, though we do have a deaf aid alarm but it buzzes for any sound, doesn't distinquish between happy/sad sounds...Plus he leaves for work around 4.30am as he's a postman...Plus it's tomorrow anyway as i just looked at the date!!! Great notice!!!

suzie38 Tue 15-Nov-11 07:04:47

Actually i think you can choose a session...Robyn and i could have a day in the big smoke!!!

suzie38 Tue 15-Nov-11 07:28:19

I've replied and told the truth about buying one and then selling on...And if i can take DD with me. it's doable...But would mean she misses her skating class.

aswellasyou Tue 15-Nov-11 09:00:12

I quite like the Oyster. blush But only in the black chassis. The brushed metal chassis with the horrible grey basket is ugly! And it has to have air wheels. Saoirse's doesn't have hood issues. I think it's a really decent pushchair for the price and it's so narrow that you can get into really small gaps.

Daisybell1 Tue 15-Nov-11 09:16:16

Oh so that's what an Oyster looks like! I have picked up many names from you lot but don't know what things look like yet...

pramsgalore Tue 15-Nov-11 09:42:08

thanks tiggy for that, rather blush i have discovered its the cam thats hurting my arms, on the cambers in the path on the school run, will have to check the tyre pressures as its pulling to one side, ok on flats but cambers big problem. i am now back to looking at the vista, but really need to set a different pushchair to 104cm hmm i could try my xari on that height, but its a different type of handle bar, oh poo i don't know, what ever happens i need to go pay the money i spent back into my account so i can buy it hmm. i pass a bjcm everyday, i need to get hold of it to test handle height, but i don't know her hmm although i have had my hands on a halo and that has a high handle, i know her and could have a quick go, she knows i am crazy [mad pushchair woman grin ] and kiddicare have a discount code if you like them on facebook confused so i would get it for under £500 grin and it would do my shopping. i shall buy one soon i promise blush

misdee Tue 15-Nov-11 10:07:41

tiggy is that your website? bestbuggy?

[feels lost]

Tiggywunkle Tue 15-Nov-11 10:45:38

Lol don't feel lost! We all just are nutty enough to talk lots about pushchairs!

Tiggywunkle Tue 15-Nov-11 10:49:28

Is the BJCM handle height the same as the Vista then? I would have said the Vista was lower on gut feeling. The BJCM always feels high to me. But maybe it's the angle. The BJCM handle is pretty straight up and the Vista comes at you from an angle. hmm. I wonder if that makes a difference? I think it probably does.

pramsgalore Tue 15-Nov-11 10:51:26

the bjcm is 1cm higher than the vista

misdee Tue 15-Nov-11 10:58:51

So is it your site? If so u seem to hve done wht I alwys wnted to do.

I hve hAd over 200 buggies blush nd trying to rein it in these days.

Tiggywunkle Tue 15-Nov-11 11:00:50

The BJCM handle was too high for me on the double - single it doesn't matter as much. But I had the Vista handle extended a bit. Handle height is a curiosity to me. How come the low ABC Adventyre buggy is perfect but the B-Agile / Duet isn't? But yet the BJCM is too high and the Vista etc isn't? There's got to be some other factors that mean a pushchair is comfy to push or not? I am going to start measuring my optimal handle height.....because it's most strange....

misdee Tue 15-Nov-11 11:03:51

I don't think its just handle height. Bob has a very high non adjustable handle, but I find it fine. I believe its more to do with the handle/centre of gravity/wheel base than just height alone.

pramsgalore Tue 15-Nov-11 11:35:17

i have my xari and cam at 99cm and thats comfy, but i know i have pushed pushchairs with higher handles than that and they were fine, infact i suspect my stokke was set higher, but then they make you walk upright and the seats are designed for good posture for your lo. i keep coming back to the vista because of the basket, large high seat and the rave reviews i keep hearing. i could do with it arriving tomorrow if i get one, as i am having to stay in already for a delivery, but i need to get to the bank before 3 when it shuts, and i have someone coming to look at a pushchair soon hmm i wish they would hurry up, although they did say lunch time is thats what 12.

misdee Tue 15-Nov-11 11:35:32

also q for those who have had the bdual.

i used it today as a single, and it felt more rattly than yesterday. i only had the small boy with me and he was rearfacing. does the extra weight of a second child just lessen the rattle a bit? i didnt notice any issues yesterday.

pramsgalore Tue 15-Nov-11 11:37:33

i hate rattles, its my biggest pet hate, hate rattles, creaks and wheels that do this /.....\

misdee Tue 15-Nov-11 11:39:08

i've not had wheel that do that yet, but know janes have that issue, especially the older ones.

i want a bob back, am just hoping britax bring it over here and dont mess up the design.

pramsgalore Tue 15-Nov-11 11:39:16

also wheels that look like they are wonky when they go round, but are not, its the way the wheel is made not perfect, i need to stop looking down at rear wheels and wear headphones grin

pramsgalore Tue 15-Nov-11 11:41:27

it always makes me look when i see a buzz, because those wheels do /.....\ and always more on the right which i think is where the brake is

misdee Tue 15-Nov-11 11:41:59

hahaha when i had the retro nipper i inflated and deflated the tyres so many times as they looked wonky when they went round. the outer tyre was very loose when deflated so i had to tweak them till they looked perfect when inflated blush

Tiggywunkle Tue 15-Nov-11 11:44:56

Yes it is my site. I would welcome any help / reviews / photos but I am here just to natter with the other mad nutters lovely grin people here smile

I am sure weight, wheel base, centre of gravity all apply. I would love to talk to a 'proper' pushchair technician about the technical side to understand more (I would probably end up boggled!) I still feel sad about the Duet. I really thought it would be the pushchair that would clear the floor of all others. I will be interested to hear how people are getting on with it 15-24 months hence with older toddlers and babies.I thought handle height was the issue but I don't think it is just that - there's some other factor and I think it's probably both weight and the distribution of it.

Have you had a Bob? It's not a brand I have looked at because they always seemed so American. But now Britax have taken over, it could get interesting for us here.

pramsgalore Tue 15-Nov-11 11:46:54

just been looking at what you were all saying about the oyster, i have almost bought one, just because i liked the purple one blush i always stop myself because of the wheels at the front, i have also seen one in rl although it was the very first one when they first came out, and i did not like the hood

misdee Tue 15-Nov-11 11:48:29

i have had a few bobs over the last 4 years. i bought my first bob off ebay on 07and it blows pre 2010 mb's out of the water. it was the old style with a slight recline.

then i had choc/pink bob for dd4, and loved it.

had a black/cream one briefly with ds but really needed a double so it didnt stay. am hoping to get my hands on one of the 2011 models if i can find someone to ship over. they dont meet uk safety standards which is why they arent over here.

would lvoe to try a double bob but again have issues with my stupid front door width.

Tiggywunkle Tue 15-Nov-11 11:49:37

My almost new Nipper went back because the wheels had a huge wobble - more so on the right. All the Verves and Vibes I have seen have wheels like /---\ but hubby thinks it's the way they are rather than a problem.

Misdee - I can't help you - I only used the B-Dual as a tandem. Aswellasyou is probably the best person to help.

misdee Tue 15-Nov-11 11:49:51

the oyster isnt actually that bad. it does look cheap admittingly, but its a good cheap bee alturnative IMO. i had one when ds was little, and it was fine. i had the horrid pearly colour though (ebay bargain) the black ones look so much better.

Tiggywunkle Tue 15-Nov-11 11:55:58

I have been having a discussion re importing pushchairs. Most of us have imported one at some point because we can't buy the model in the UK. But we all fully understand that the pushchairs won't have been safety tested / approved in the UK / and the warranty may be invalidated. Hubby sees no issue for personal use. eBay has pushchairs to buy abroad but also in the UK that are imports. Any thoughts / links about this topic?

pramsgalore Tue 15-Nov-11 11:58:57

it has never bothered me, as the way i look at it, the pushchair will have been safety tested to their standards which in the us, i would think would be pretty high, just not as high as ours, but then i think we go over board with everything health and safety anyway

pramsgalore Tue 15-Nov-11 12:01:31

german made pushchairs are very well made, better than ours and even with all our high standards some of our pushchairs have failed big time resulting in lo getting hurt ie bee, maclaren, spin

Tiggywunkle Tue 15-Nov-11 12:05:02

From what I understand - US safety testing is actually more rigorous than ours. I was told they actually take apart and test ever nut, screw and rivet. So in that respect I gave no issues. What is different though is that we seem to have very strict fire retardancy regulations.

pramsgalore Tue 15-Nov-11 12:06:55

hmm i have def come accross those, different colours on different fabrics are harder to fire retard

misdee Tue 15-Nov-11 12:10:53

the difference IMO isnt that they are unsafe, just tested differently. we have different regulations and for example, bob in its current designs doesnt adhere to those. the only thing i worry about with Bob is thatthe brake bar comes down rathr fast (its spring loaded) but apply comman sense and dont let people put their hands there.

i dont have issues with importing pushchairs, but knw others do, other BOB fans in the UK know they dont meet uk regulations and are fine with it. i have never sold a bob on ebay, just to fellow pramos.

Tiggywunkle Tue 15-Nov-11 12:29:28

Prams - Are you any nearer a decision???

pramsgalore Tue 15-Nov-11 12:42:07

yes, i have made up my mind, off to back now to transfer money grin
ooooooooo what could i be getting, talk soon grin

Tiggywunkle Tue 15-Nov-11 12:49:46

Oooohhhhhh what? What? What?!!!!! I thought you were trying to accost the lady with the BJCM?!!!

misdee Tue 15-Nov-11 12:50:09

oooooooooo excited prams!

Tiggywunkle Tue 15-Nov-11 12:54:59

It's got to be a Vista....

FriggsFlyingFalconFeathers Tue 15-Nov-11 13:14:59

i bet its a vista!grin

Honeydragon Tue 15-Nov-11 13:17:23

Aprica came and has been out for a walk to playgroup grin

It is EXACTLY like the old Combi I had with DS, that DS used to love. Rattly with plastic wheels that are way to small, but a very very comfy seat.

Unlike the old Combi the wheels are easy to adjust with your feet when you flip the handle over so very quick and easy.

Also like the Combi, when you lift it up a kerb you are always amazed the handle hasn't snapped hmm grin

But with the Combi, I was always convinced it would only last 6 months before it broke. But I used to see it about town for a couple of years after I passed it on, and I got mine 3rd hand.

DD utterly adores it as it is only a lap harness, but the bumper bar is really well said so no accidents. Was great to flip it round to get her out the wind.

It's definitely going to be my bus pushchair (I'll probably get a Micralite for holidays

It might be a bit of a trolly but they are marketed at the same price as a volo or triumph, only more comfortable with a rf option..

Colours nice, real chocolate brown and cream with a brown frame.

Tiggywunkle Tue 15-Nov-11 13:27:55

Yay re the Aprica arriving smile Rattly wheels don't sound good hmm but the flip handle sounds great. I like flip handles smile Useful things to have!

I have a large pushchair sized parcel in the hall smile And no it's not the BJCM4!

FriggsFlyingFalconFeathers Tue 15-Nov-11 13:29:11

ooooooooh what is it then?!!

misdee Tue 15-Nov-11 13:37:58

What is it?

pramsgalore Tue 15-Nov-11 13:54:32

can not order till tomorrow as funds will not show until then Grrrrrrrrrrrrr, dp was only saying last night how he thought i did not really need another pushchair shock i knew he would sooner or later, so it arriving tomorrow while he's at work would have been ideal, now i am going to have to tell him up front, i want to order to it, and order tomorrow for delivery thurday which he is off Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr and thats as long as its showing as cleared [funds avaliable], why can not things be instant sad
tiggy whats in the box grin

pramsgalore Tue 15-Nov-11 13:56:30

oh, and as long as i don't change my mind again blush i am getting

<<<drum roll please>>>

uppababy vista grin

FriggsFlyingFalconFeathers Tue 15-Nov-11 14:03:56

grin you'll love it!

pramsgalore Tue 15-Nov-11 14:15:23

tiggy, tell all, whats in the box grin

<<keeps refreshing page>>

aswellasyou Tue 15-Nov-11 14:23:04

misdee, I've only used the B-Dual in single mode once but I just remember thinking it was unbelievably light and loving the high seat. I'll ask saoirse though. It lives in her car so she's used it as a single a few times I think.

Tiggywunkle Tue 15-Nov-11 15:45:19

Yay for deciding on a Vista. Which colour?
I am feeling like I made a wrong decision now sad

The's a Bumbleride grin

pramsgalore Tue 15-Nov-11 15:50:43

ooooo which one, what colour,
i think i will go for red, as don't like the blue or green, don't what a cream one or black, the yellow is not on there anymore so that only leaves red hmm i don't have an all red pushchair, shame they don't do a purple one, i would have that smile not allowed pink, other wise would have been tempted to wait

FriggsFlyingFalconFeathers Tue 15-Nov-11 15:50:48


Tiggywunkle Tue 15-Nov-11 15:55:28

Don't you think the Elite looks neat folded??
I can ake a single this afternoon..but which? I think the Elite is too wide though sad

pramsgalore Tue 15-Nov-11 16:06:15

yes, it does look neat with wheels off, take the babyzen for full report back later smile just to be certain of course smile

misdee Tue 15-Nov-11 16:22:24

[gasp] a bumbleride!! when did they get to the uk??

pramsgalore Tue 15-Nov-11 16:24:09

there not in the uk, smile

misdee Tue 15-Nov-11 16:24:38

ooo an import. lovely!

aswellasyou Tue 15-Nov-11 16:27:58

prams, looking at other pushchairs are you? wink I thought the Vista was your last!shockgrin

Tiggy, tell us more about the Bumbleride! You kept that very quiet.

pramsgalore Tue 15-Nov-11 16:32:05

i have not bought one yet, nearly bought a vista then changed my mind and have been undecided since, but i think i have made up my mind now and am going for the vista after all, the last pushchair i bought was the kiwi and before that was the cam, orbit and of course the xari, so not bad really for me grin i think i have been quite good smile, but yes this prob will be my last one

misdee Tue 15-Nov-11 16:34:45

if the kiwi ever needs a new home....

pramsgalore Tue 15-Nov-11 16:35:30

yes, thats a good point, you did keep that quite, hmm secret pushchair buying tiggy, grin

pramsgalore Tue 15-Nov-11 16:36:28

misdee smile it will be a few years, i am going to use it as my sn buggy for ds.

misdee Tue 15-Nov-11 16:49:53

ah that would be perfect for your ds smile

right, baby years have a good deal this saturday, but a buggy and get a £50 voucher.

very tempted, off to look for reviews of the p+t smart

pramsgalore Tue 15-Nov-11 17:02:43

misdee the handles on the smart are low from what i heard, and to be honest i would stay clear of p&ts they have had lots of issues on all their new models

pramsgalore Tue 15-Nov-11 17:05:10

suzie hows your nuna pepp, is it good, better than a nuna, are they still as low, i did love mine, just the problem of getting it of the door

Tiggywunkle Tue 15-Nov-11 17:24:15

Not really! I just had a chat with a certain addict as I thought it would sit nicely with my other 3 wheelers and given Bumbleride are very much on the way to the UK (and I would love a double one but can't justify it), I thought it was about time whilst I had opportunity to find out more. Strangely after the deal was done Pushchair Trader did a review this week of the Indie too.

Prams is now the time not to tell you that the Babyzen is rather good? I have just been putting it through it's paces on a blustery sea front dropping it off kerbs, down steps, up kerbs, straight through pot holes, and I think it's handled better than both the Elite and Easywalker! However one of the pesky recline zips got stuck earlier but it's working now. I also keep knocking the light on as I walk which is gaining me some odd looks! I need to switch the master switch off but I only know where it is when it's folded and currently DS is sat in it refusing stubbornly to sleep! It's a lovely upright seat. I don't like the ergonomically designed handle - like the Verve - but thats just me. After DH saying it was tippy, I was hanging onto the Babyzen. But there was no need smile it slid on top of the other pushchairs in the car boot nicely too smile I may have to rethink what I keep / sell coz hubby said this was the one to go! I think not!!!!!

suzie38 Tue 15-Nov-11 17:26:19

Not used it yet...But it's identical apart from the extra recline, basket shape,hood press down bits are on the outside,sun flap is bigger, and the seat is more defined...Think the seat is suppose to be a tad higher, but the seat has been taken off my old one and washed and i've still not put it on.

misdee Tue 15-Nov-11 17:31:12

tiggy cant u hire a garage to keep them in. afterall you are doing sterling work on your websitewink

pramsgalore Tue 15-Nov-11 17:32:43

hmm could you not have come back and lied and said it was rubbish, grinalthough the vista would be handy for shopping, as in new year i am going to try aldi,[ with some bits from sainsburys and waitrose] so i can save on my shopping, so will have to carry it all home hmm

pramsgalore Tue 15-Nov-11 17:33:37

suzie, i was hoping you were going to say it was higher, but they are a lovely pushchair, lovely to push

suzie38 Tue 15-Nov-11 18:28:52

Not going to London now as it'll cost around £150 in train fares, as it's short notice plus i always buy DD a seat, as she's not a sitting on a knee kind of toddler!!! Wierd things is, someone messaged me about the Orbit on another forum...Turns out that she's got an invite as well...If i knew i'd get a free G2 then i would, but because of DD's age i think we'd be discounted as a carrycot is thrown in as well.

aswellasyou Tue 15-Nov-11 18:30:55

suzie, you could just claim to be pregnant! wink Then you'd be in the running for the free G2 to sell on. grin

misdee Tue 15-Nov-11 18:33:27

whats this?

Honeydragon Tue 15-Nov-11 18:40:50

link would be good misdee grin We're good but not that good

misdee Tue 15-Nov-11 18:41:29

lol one handed typing. i meant suzie going to london.

Honeydragon Tue 15-Nov-11 18:41:44

or are you asking Suzie about the Orbit forum testy thing? confused

Honeydragon Tue 15-Nov-11 18:42:05

x post <enlightened>

misdee Tue 15-Nov-11 18:42:33


suzie38 Tue 15-Nov-11 18:43:22

LOL!!! Yes it would be mine to keep and do whatever with me...misdee i've been invited to an Orbit Baby G2 forum in London tomorrow...I inquired at Orbit a while back, so a representitive contacted me in the early hours today, so just over 24 hours notice to check a G2 out...Only thing is i imported one but found it didn't suit me so i sold it on...I did tell the guy that, well said it was too unusual and my mum would notice it...She gets cross with all the buggies i buy!!!

misdee Tue 15-Nov-11 18:44:19

and this was why i was in pram remission for soooo long. grin

i almost bought an orbit for dd4. and an uppababy vista for dd3. both long before they hit the uk.

is strollerqueen still going?

Tiggywunkle Tue 15-Nov-11 18:44:47

We have a garage but I wouldn't dare put anything in over the winter even though it's dry. I have one pushchair going out on review and another big double going home plus some other parts. The ABC is our biggest issue. It's a pain to fold and is huge folded. But I love it for walking. It used to live happily in the hall but the TwinGo is currently in it's place. I'm going to use the Babyzen more over the next few weeks. We don't often need just a single and we usually use the Peach or Noa when out and about. But the Noa can go back in DDs bedroom for now.
The Orbit day could have been fun!

suzie38 Tue 15-Nov-11 18:44:58

So unless i get an email saying they'll pay my train cost back, it's a no no for me and DD.

suzie38 Tue 15-Nov-11 18:45:55

Yes she is but said she was taking a break to try and catch up on emails she'd received recently.

misdee Tue 15-Nov-11 18:46:19

i'd go in your place but i am full of cold. hence me looking at prams all day as no energy to do anything

suzie38 Tue 15-Nov-11 18:48:45

It would have been great especially if you were guarenteed a free G2, it would be worth the train fare but with no guarentee it's not especially with all the money i've lost recently buying pushchairs i don't get on with...I lost nearly £400 with the G2.

misdee Tue 15-Nov-11 18:54:03

does anyone know if the new shipments of the duets still have holes in one hood?

aswellasyou Tue 15-Nov-11 18:56:25

They're not supposed to have the hole. And people are supposed to be getting replacements for the ones bought before they fixed them.

misdee Tue 15-Nov-11 18:59:47

okies. i understand the hole was there due to a last minute decision to change the folding mechanism. am hoping i get a holeless one. if not will be asking for a new hood

TruthSweet Tue 15-Nov-11 19:01:59

I'd definitely go in your place Suzie - I had a crush on the Orbit when it was still a G1 (except then it was just an Orbit!). I used to hang out on Babycenter's Products for Babies board back in 2006 before they changed the forum format to a more social network thing (that killed off most of the really good debate boards that I lurked on and quite a few other boards too). I still love the Car Seat board - lots of good stuff on there.

pramsgalore Tue 15-Nov-11 19:04:35

i could go with my orbit g1, they may take pitty and give me the g2 grin

ooh another new thread!

truthsweet I've passed the info about the jazz easys onto my cleaner just in case. atm she is using a totally unsuitable wheelchair, so i think, although it's only the size 1, it might still be a millions miles better than what she has atm!

so if you definitely decide to get rid let me know :-)

no probs if you decide to sell it on ebay or anything though!

Tiggywunkle Tue 15-Nov-11 19:14:20

No they don't. They are hole free. Plus apparently they don't catch like the first ones did.

misdee Tue 15-Nov-11 19:16:09

oh good. hopefully all the tweaking has been done then.

i took advnatage of their bogof on footmuffs as well, still pricey but very padded. got the purple ones coming.

if the double terrain or urban would've fitted through my doors, they have some great offers on the pre 2010 models as well.

TruthSweet Tue 15-Nov-11 19:18:53

TIY - Can you pass on my number to your cleaner and she can call me to arrange trying it out with her daughter (obv. no point her having it if it just doesn't fit at all). Really hope it works for her.

yeah will do

Tiggywunkle Tue 15-Nov-11 19:42:52

You don't automatically get a new Duet hood. They are something like £40 to buy unless you have a lovely retailer like Twins-Store who offered to foot the bill for their customers to all get new hoods.

misdee Tue 15-Nov-11 19:44:10

mine is direct from MB so will be kicking up a fuss!

FriggsFlyingFalconFeathers Tue 15-Nov-11 20:23:08

d'you reckon an air buggy mimi double would work as a snow buggy?

i want to get a double,that will fit through my door (74.3cms) and CHEAP!
but it needs to do snow too really as i dont think the uppababy/piggyback combo will work,and DD gets extra grumpy in cold weather so i need somewhere to put her....


Tiggywunkle Tue 15-Nov-11 20:29:52

I would think so....but I am no expert on walking in snow.

FriggsFlyingFalconFeathers Tue 15-Nov-11 20:32:27

hmmm neither am i....
but i dont want to get caught out if i need to get her to pre-school...

pramsgalore Tue 15-Nov-11 20:35:30

ooooo i would wade through snow drifts with them on my shoulders to make sure dc's got to school grin shame the teachers don't though hmm

misdee Tue 15-Nov-11 20:38:38

if you lock the front wheels i dont see why not.

FriggsFlyingFalconFeathers Tue 15-Nov-11 20:43:29

oh yes prams,she needs to go to pre-school...rain or shine for my sanity

the thing is,i dont think you can lock the front wheels!

or do i get a rumbleseat?


misdee Tue 15-Nov-11 20:44:18

really? i thought with the air buggy you could. arse!

pramsgalore Tue 15-Nov-11 20:50:09

get a rumble seat, i know of someone selling theirs wink almost new as well grin

Tiggywunkle Tue 15-Nov-11 20:52:55

I am sure you can lock the air buggy front wheels.
Or get a rumble seat ;)

pramsgalore Tue 15-Nov-11 20:54:47
Tiggywunkle Tue 15-Nov-11 21:01:21

Lol! Go and put the link on the snow spikes thread! They are a reasonable price!
Or you need a Seed Pli with skis!

Tiggywunkle Tue 15-Nov-11 21:02:09
pramsgalore Tue 15-Nov-11 21:08:46

lol they are great, now if we had snow every year i would own one of those for sure!!!!!!!

MonkeyJuice Tue 15-Nov-11 21:46:17

Hello all, so this is where you all got too! Haha fun thread title!
Glad your new Nuna is good Suzie. I bet the purple is lovely. I will miss my purple bjcm when it goes but we haven't room for 7 buggies now.
I took the Jane Carrera Anniversario out for a spin. Wow! It's really good! A lot like the bee+ in terms of suspension and nippyness. Not quite so bouncy but very effective and comfy suspension. Even the colours looked better out in the sunlight. I suddenly noticed how distinctly Scandinavian the white frame and blue fabrics Looked. Ds was v tired and soon fell asleep, and was very comfy indeed with the deeply padded seat, head cushion and adjustable calf rest. It's hard to believe the fab quality and it was only £139! Less than a decent Maclaren and higher spec. It's not a little buggy in use as its full size but it does fold amazingly small. Why don't they make this model still? It was their 70th anniversary model and they really pushed the boat out and made something special to celebrate...they need more advertising!

suzie38 Tue 15-Nov-11 21:52:37

That Carrera sounds great but i'd better not go looking on eBay!!!

pramsgalore Tue 15-Nov-11 21:59:12

lol suzie, i already have had a quick look, they do sound nice, very plush fabrics, pramworld are saying 7 days as out of stock, but i have to be good now and the vista will be my last one. smile now i shall just enjoy reading all your reviews of pushchairs you are all buying smile

TruthSweet Tue 15-Nov-11 22:22:52

Is Jane Scandinavian? I could have sworn it was Spanish confused

suzie38 Tue 15-Nov-11 22:23:38

How much are City Selects roughly???

suzie38 Tue 15-Nov-11 22:23:56


Tiggywunkle Tue 15-Nov-11 22:31:24

You dont want a City Select Suzie....even if you do have something you want to announce to us [wunk] wink [wunk]!! giggles!! (joke)

dobby2001 Tue 15-Nov-11 23:15:25

(Steps out from shadows..) Hello all,can I join you? I have been lurjking for a coupe of weeks and enjoying all your posts about thes lovely pushchairs. I thought I was a pramaholic with the number i have collected ove the years but realise i am a mere ametuer by your efforts smile.

I dont even have a lo,my DD was ten in August! But before you write me of as a compete weirdo, I AM a childminder so do have a legitimate reason for needing a regualr change of pushchair wink

Misdee, I have been loving your threads about your step of doom. I have a similiar problem in that I have both a narrow doorway and a step in front of this ALSO compounded by the door being one of those upvc ones with its on "lip" to get over as well.

I am currently trying out a phil and teds dash bought from ebay for a bargainous £130. 2 days in and i don't think its for me sad . Have a bertini shuttle with roll out buggy board and toddler seat which is lovely and great for snowy days, but need to have two baby seats as often have two sleepy ones. Have been using a nipper 360 which I also love but cannot get through the front door so not fun having to wake sleepy babes to bring in.

Tiggywunkle Tue 15-Nov-11 23:26:41

Hi Dobby smile You are certainly welcome here!! I think I was a buggy addict for 20 years playing with other peoples pushchairs before I got my own smile
I am going now to Google a Bertini Shuttle!!
I am glad we dont have a narrow door - I think we probably have one of the biggest front doors you can get!!! But we do have various lips and flagstone that pushchair wheels seem to sit nicely between and we have to have a run at, to get them over the lips! Its a good test for off roaders though!

Tiggywunkle Tue 15-Nov-11 23:29:20

OOooooh I like the Bertini Shuttle with toddler set. It looks like a cross between a Mutsy Urban Rider and a Valco with toddler seat.

pramsgalore Tue 15-Nov-11 23:30:31

<<waves>> i had a bertini shuttle a few years ago, lovely to push, envy i always wanted the roll out buggy board

Honeydragon Tue 15-Nov-11 23:39:58

Tiggy, I want the Bertini's gorgeous I linked it a couple of threads ago, quite heavy,but still not on the ebay store yet....they keep promising though.

dobby2001 Tue 15-Nov-11 23:44:06

Thanks for the welcome Tiggywunkle, you will have noticed that i cant spell and type fast! I think the Bertini actually predates Mutsey and they still sell a modern version of my shuttle in Australia now. It is a lovely pushchair,if a big "sofa on wheels" like, the babys are very comfy lol! I found trying to manhandling the dash through my doorway that I really missed the stability of the four wheels of the Bertini compared with the three whells on the P & T.

But it has to go - but not until I have a good replacement of course! grin

dobby2001 Tue 15-Nov-11 23:46:05

Honeydragon, I havn't heard of a Berinit flair - i "nned2 to see this mythical thing of which thou speakest [wink[ ( and must go to bed soon too - 4 under threes tomorrow plus interviewing an assistant eek!

dobby2001 Tue 15-Nov-11 23:46:33

oh ffs, s'cuse the typos blush

Honeydragon Tue 15-Nov-11 23:54:24

Misread Tiggy, thought she was on about the Bertonis (ice cream push chair), not the Bertini shuttle - the cm at ds's school has a Bertini shuttle , it's lovely.

The Bertoni flair on the other hand is tacky as hell but saw one on holiday and in rl was not that bad

suzie38 Tue 15-Nov-11 23:58:24

No a friend who's expecting in January was asking but i know money's an issue so i thought a Select would be out of her price bracket.

Tiggywunkle Wed 16-Nov-11 00:01:48

OK the Bertinis are very cool - the 4 wheel drive could be 'interesting' to steer.
The Bertoni Flair is quite something else! hmm

Honeydragon Wed 16-Nov-11 00:11:54

Tbf Tiggy I asked what it was as the rl one was black ... So not quite as scary. I was just impressed as the lady had it on the beach and it was progressing fine.

I haven't bought one as the colours scare me and you have to assemble them yourself hmm

Honeydragon Wed 16-Nov-11 00:12:34

And knowing me I'd build it backwards.

dobby2001 Wed 16-Nov-11 00:13:30

Honeydragon my eyes hurt having looked at that Bertoni!! Love how it says perfect for summer and winter - yes if you are stuck in a snowdrift mebbe wink - like the swtichable handle though.

the 4wd takes a bit of getting used to but can be swapped to fixed by flipping a lever with your foot on the back of the pushchair - essential when i am reversing up step into my house - only a always forget which way to flip lever ...hmm every time!

right off to bed, night night folks.

misdee Wed 16-Nov-11 07:28:58

lol dobby yup we have a big lip on the door frame as well. drives me insane. maybe i'll sweep the step today and show people what i mean. oh to have a nice normal step, instead of this weird one. its great for the dd's to sit on with their friends in the summer, or me even when waiting for babies to wake up so i can get in the house without disturbing them, but its a bugger for getting in and out.

pramsgalore Wed 16-Nov-11 09:38:43

lol, i have a high lip on my door frame, hence why i had to sell on my nuna it would not go over it, just grounded and rocked smile

pramsgalore Wed 16-Nov-11 10:59:19

<< grining from ear to ear >>
my new pushchair should be with me tomorrow grin
oooooooo i can not wait and i got £66 knocked off the price, doing that 'like' thingy with kiddicare on facebook grin
i got it in red, not got a red pushchair

aswellasyou Wed 16-Nov-11 11:36:20

How exciting prams! That's a really good discount too. grin
Welcome dobby. I've just looked up Bertinis and seen you can get a rocker base for the X series seat units! It looks seriously comfy. The Bertini Duke looks exactly the same as the My Child Versa, which is also the same as one of the John Lewis branded pushchairs (I don't think they give them names in JL).

aswellasyou Wed 16-Nov-11 11:40:10

suzie, is your friend going to need a double or just a single? The cheapest BJCS I've found with a very quick search is about £450 as a single plus about £120 for the second seat.

pramsgalore Wed 16-Nov-11 12:11:54
Tiggywunkle Wed 16-Nov-11 12:28:09

I wouldn't want a Chariot to do everything after the Croozer. The Croozer is seriously hard to push in pram mode and it's really not easy to bike up to a shop and switch from bike to pram mode (plus you are supposed to take the children out). I wouldn't want to drag it behind me on skis either (not that I would ever want to ski anyway!)

Well done Prams for ordering the Vista. I hope you like it.

aswellasyou Wed 16-Nov-11 12:29:34

But would they fit in the boot of a car? wink Here they are in the UK.

aswellasyou Wed 16-Nov-11 12:32:27

They actually would fit in a lot of cars having looked at the dimensions! shock But most of them wouldn't fit through misdee's front door. grin

pramsgalore Wed 16-Nov-11 12:38:52

i can see your point about switching from bike to pram, i was thinking straight out of the house when bad snow, have not used my croozer in pram mode, infact have only used it 1 or 2 times in total blush i think chariot are better, as they are more built for this, than croozers though so may push better, but the price is shock hence why i went for a croozer which are still very very good.

Tiggywunkle Wed 16-Nov-11 12:40:56

Our does fold up flat, but yes it is wide. There is a single and double version. I think the two swivel wheels would be better for pushchair mode - we have just one wheel. But to be honest it feels huge to push - even if it isn't - and the roll bars stick out. Hubby used to love taking the Taga into shops but won't take the Croozer in. The jogging wheel requires a completely different assembly. There is a huge storage space though for shopping, picnics etc. Ours is perfect for taking to the beach.

Tiggywunkle Wed 16-Nov-11 12:42:50

I think I would rather have a good offroader for snow smile I bet the Nipper is good. It went straight across soft sand without any problems.

pramsgalore Wed 16-Nov-11 12:43:09

i have the kid for one, so not so wide,

pramsgalore Wed 16-Nov-11 12:44:00

off road wagon for me, it goes over anything grin

MonkeyJuice Wed 16-Nov-11 13:00:14

Is Jane Spanish? It says on the paperwork. I assumed they were swedish! Either way the white and two shades of blue look scandanavian to me.
I will have to Google. I've never found the company website.

Tiggywunkle Wed 16-Nov-11 13:04:26

I want one of those Haba trolleys smile It's a small matter of cost though...

Tiggywunkle Wed 16-Nov-11 13:05:37

It's not se

MonkeyJuice Wed 16-Nov-11 13:10:47

Lol. I am having a dyslexic moment! They have an outlet section on their website too!

Honeydragon Wed 16-Nov-11 13:22:33

My first bike chariot (random German affair) had a foot plate at the back. I think it was to help with kerbs, but it was lovely to push so not necessary.

I used to use it to scoot along at great speed on empty foot paths blush grin

MonkeyJuice Wed 16-Nov-11 13:31:53

That sounds fab honey dragon!
The drawstring bit in the basket under the Jane carrera is a separate bag which poppers in so you can easily remove it and contents in one go (either to get shopping out at home or for folding purposes on the bus!). It's v clever.

MonkeyJuice Wed 16-Nov-11 13:38:25

Jane info here on the kiddicare website.

pramsgalore Wed 16-Nov-11 13:51:11

stop it, i have to be good vista last one, although that jane one does sound good,hmm may have to watch ebay for a cheap second hand one blush
tiggy yes i would like one of those, one day!!! wink
i have seen bike trailers in our local sainsburys, i think it was a chariot one, it did look nice and she seemed to be pushing it with ease. but shhh don't tell dp i could have used my bike trailer for the shopping, thats what the vistas for grin

i am being a kitchen goddess today homemade soup and homemade crusty bread, one of dp's favs, well he did let me get another pushchair, don't have to hide this one or wait for the arguement grin

dobby2001 Wed 16-Nov-11 15:25:36

ooh Tiggy did you have a Taga? I lusted after oneof those but the price was too much for me to justify - oh and the slight problem of having hardley any storage space! I help run a childrens cycling club and thought i could be a mary poppins like childminder who cycles the little darling to preschool but the cost of the tagas/ christianna/ bakfiets etc just did not make sense.

Interviewed someone for an assitants post today - we got talking about my phil and teds and she knows somebody who will bite my hand off for it if i want to sell - sooo Misdee I need daily updates on that B-dual! grin or does anyone have the Hauck Duett? (i rally want that type of thing with big air filled tyres - like my Bertini whaa!)

aswellasyou Wed 16-Nov-11 16:10:46

The 2012 B-Dual will have air tyres if you can wait. Presumably it'll go back up in price though. I love our B-Dual but I may attempt to wangle some air tyres for it next year. Tiggy's had a Hauck Duett.

misdee Wed 16-Nov-11 16:51:20

well today i took the bdual in single mode to the post office. 10 parcels in the basket with no issues!

the width does bother me, but i will get used to it. it pushes like a dream, and i think the 'rattle' is just the fact it doesnt have air tyres (i have been pushing an MB all summer). air tyres would make it a dream double IMO.

mb urban and emmaljunga left the house today. so all thats here is the bdual, mac quest and sc coach pram.

misdee Wed 16-Nov-11 16:53:11
suzie38 Wed 16-Nov-11 17:38:00

My Vista made a rattling noise for the same reason misdee as they virtually identical frames.
Previous page, my friend has a toddler who's 3 in April and baby due January...Toddler needs somewhere to sit as she's prone to tantrums and sit downs from time to time...But i know they're quite strapped for cash.

pramsgalore Wed 16-Nov-11 17:40:56

NOOOoOOOOOOOO does anyone elses vista rattle, i hate pushchairs that make a noise, please tell me none of the others do, please!!!!! frigg, monkeys, tiggy,

aswellasyou Wed 16-Nov-11 17:47:17

suzie, have you told her about our old faithful, the B-Dual? If she's on a budget then it's probably the best option out at the moment. Does she want a tandem rather than a side by side?

Tiggywunkle Wed 16-Nov-11 17:51:49

Lol, yes I have still got a Taga which has been loved but is now on EBay. We both really got the cycling bug because of the Taga and now have mountain bikes and the trailer because OH wants to bike the 7 miles or so to nursery each day and the Taga was fine for pootling around on but not for serious nursery runs in winter!

The Hauck Duett I believe is currently out of stock whilst they fix an issue with it. I think it was to do with the lower seat fold or removal or something. It's due back early next year. The other big issue with the Duett which I seriously hope will be addressed is that there is no realistic option for putting a newborn and toddler on the Duett because the baby needs to go on top. I have tried all sorts of configurations for people and the best came from a friend who I had long chats with and she decided to tether the lower seat into place - as it does lie flat as part of the fold - and she has added a soft carrycot and will be using it for her baby. (her choice and not recommended). But realistically Hauck would improve the Duett no end into a real competitor for the B-Dual by making the lower space suitable for a newborn. In some ways I preferred the Duett. It felt neater and smaller somehow. But the B-Dual was clearly better quality. I walked loads with both and the ride on the Hauck Duett was quite hard whereas the B-Dual seemed to have pretty good suspension.

I am glad you like the B-Dual misdee. When I first got mine, I had only heard negative things about it and at first I was really struggling to like it. But the more I used it, the more I realised what a practical pushchair it is. I think for the money it's excellent value, and even without considering cost, I think it's a very good all round single/tandem option with a good storage basket - something sorely lacking on a P&Ts.

Tiggywunkle Wed 16-Nov-11 17:53:38

My Vista didn't rattle...but then I don't notice things unless they are loud and very annoying!

suzie38 Wed 16-Nov-11 17:57:26

Now i easily get annoyed by noises...Whereas DH is almost 100% deaf, i'm the opposite with over acute hearing!!!

FriggsFlyingFalconFeathers Wed 16-Nov-11 18:02:49

im very easily annoyed by noises...

my vista is <-- serene smile.

misdee Wed 16-Nov-11 18:10:09

i notice every rattle and creak.

i had a skate for dd4, and the handle used to give the slightest creak and annoy me.

the bdual is fab, as you tiggy i had heard negative things. it took me months to consider one, and only because of you pram nuts did i look at it more.

i am an utter pram snob, and if something feels flimsey or looks too flimsey, i wont consider it.

i have to say i am surprised by the actual colour of the purple rain colourway, its actually more plummy in real life, was unsure as thought it might be too girly, but its lovely and unisex IMO.

pramsgalore Wed 16-Nov-11 18:11:34

phew!!!! <<calms down>>

Tiggywunkle Wed 16-Nov-11 18:15:15

In other news, I can't decide which pushchair(s) to keep out of the Babyzen, Easywalker Qtro, Baby Jogger Elite and Bumberide Indie. I spent ages with a tape measure today trying to work out which had the longest knee to footrest (Elite) or deepest seat (Indie) or tallest back (I can't remember! But either Elite or Bumbleride. I think the Qtro is the first to go but the four wheels is a huge plus for me, plus the basket is the biggest with easy access and the handlebar is probably the nicest to hold - and those three help swing it back into the running.
The Indie is incredibly light. I haven't looked up the kgs of each yet but the Elite and Babyzen are really heavy with the Qtro not far behind. The Qtro is hard to carry one handed. The Indie, Elite and Babyzen have natural carrying places. The Elite fold / flick open is worth a lot. The light in the Babyzen was fab in a busy car park yesterday because it felt safer having it on.
I have a fellow tester for these, so between us we will put them through their paces (in fact she's just this minute picked the Qtro up) and then decide their fate smile I am hoping to go and look at the MBs and Micralite on Friday (my postponed trip from 2 weeks ago).

aswellasyou Wed 16-Nov-11 18:19:21

I think I'd put them all on eBay and keep the one (or two) that doesn't sell. I'm a seriously bad decision maker though. wink

Tiggywunkle Wed 16-Nov-11 18:22:36

It's so hard to capture true colours in photos. There aren't many pictures of the Amethyst City Select that I have taken that I think are a true colour likeness - plus it then also depends on your monitor!
One of the reasons for BB is to break myths, show as much as we can pictorially (I am absolutely no photographer and my car boot was filthy until the wonderful OH cleaned the car). I did five pushchairs side by side today and I apologise because I don't have time to line all the wheels up (as someone thought I should), do all the harnesses up etc lolol Not to mention the little monstrous child who pushes her Quinny Zapp with teddy into every frame, or she runs back and forth in front of me, or the cats who insist on sitting by the front door! I think I need to do a spot the number of cats competition!!!

pramsgalore Wed 16-Nov-11 18:23:33

MB shock micralite they are lovely and light to push [once you get used to the handle] even with a large child on board, who fitted with room to spare under hood.

Tiggywunkle Wed 16-Nov-11 18:25:05

Ooohhh nooooooo aswellasyou I have to decide which suits us best smile I took DD in each of 4 pushchairs today and can't wait to see them on screen to see how comfy she looks. Plus long term we need a strong pushchair so I want to look at weights etc. In reality the Babyzen is out of the running long term but it's a jolly fab pushchair and for now it will stay smile Its my work horse and gets used round the house / outside most days.

Tiggywunkle Wed 16-Nov-11 18:26:39

I am trying to talk myself out of MB. The Duet practically cured me but they look so pretty and neat.....
I can't get to grips with Micralite...but I want to try because you lot like them, so there has to be something about them.

pramsgalore Wed 16-Nov-11 18:29:52

they are so easy to push, but you may need the handle extenders, which i think makes them look a little strange

misdee Wed 16-Nov-11 18:30:24

i have a new style mb terrain on hold blush best get ebaying again. a lovely mama wants to sell it before xmas and i snapped it up.

misdee Wed 16-Nov-11 18:32:04

i couldnt get on with the superlite. i kept kicking the back wheels. such a shame as i loved the fast fold when i had one with dd3.

pramsgalore Wed 16-Nov-11 18:33:53

if you had the handle extenders you would not have kicked them

misdee Wed 16-Nov-11 18:35:26

lol@spot the cat. i spend a lot of time trying to keep the dog out of photos. or a random child. sometimes they arent even my children grin

aswellasyou Wed 16-Nov-11 19:01:30

Sorry for being unhelpful Tiggy! grin I like the idea of a Superlite but I've been umming and ahhing for months over getting one. Not that I could anyway at the moment with my financial situation c/o the stupid Student Loans Company!

Tiggywunkle Wed 16-Nov-11 19:12:15

LOL you are usually very helpful, but knowing my luck I would be left with the godawful horrible Senzz and too low B-Agile! BOTH are heading out of the door as fast as I can possibly get them once this GROWL GROWL GRUMP GRUMP STOMP lovely but taking forever and a year City Mini 4 arrives!!! (I had a mini rant here but deleted it and have calmed down!)

pramsgalore Wed 16-Nov-11 19:24:08

lol tiggy re mini rant, when have they said your bjcm4 is arriving, could you not cancel and get it from someone else, i think you should get rid of the elite, its too wide and qtro and keep the babyzen and bumbleride, smile those are the ones i like the look of the most and sound the best

Tiggywunkle Wed 16-Nov-11 19:25:59

Hmmm...the Qtro is just 600gs heavier than the Indie! I thought the Indie was loads lighter!! The Babyzen is over a 1.7kgs heavier than the Qtro and the Elite is nearly 3kgs heavier than the Indie and it shows!!
I REALLY would love to try an Indie Twin now.....really really......

pramsgalore Wed 16-Nov-11 19:27:14

its def coming tomorrow grin, i shall have to go on a quick walk with it, although will be cleaning the house from top to bottom ready for the queen my mum arriving friday grin
hmm need to slap up some paint on the toliet wall to cover up ds's art work after he got hold of a pen the other day angry

Tiggywunkle Wed 16-Nov-11 19:27:58

The Elite is just 1cm wider than the Qtro and Indie though according to my tape measure!
The BJCM4 has this week to arrive and after that I am hoping Kooltrade will sort it for me. They were planning on coming to pick all their bits up from me. I need a list of questions to ask eg new raincovers, carrycot raincovers, Versa, GT etc

pramsgalore Wed 16-Nov-11 19:29:30

wow those are wide pushchairs for singles

Tiggywunkle Wed 16-Nov-11 19:32:15

62.2cms officially for the Indie - I can't find the official width for the Qtro. I need to build the stats pages for both asap so need to find them...can anyone spot them? I have one site but its not got the width with wheels on.

Tiggywunkle Wed 16-Nov-11 19:33:37

Hurray for a new Vista. I think you guys should seriously form a Vista fan club or something. In fact this review forum could die a death if you all one by one convert everyone to a Vista. The answer to every question could be - Buy an Uppababy Vista!!

pramsgalore Wed 16-Nov-11 19:35:17

i have noticed re singles it almost is smile with the bjcm pipping the post on compacts


i want a bumbleride flyer now.

i think it might be what I neeeeeeeed

pramsgalore Wed 16-Nov-11 19:42:57
its 65cm

pramsgalore Wed 16-Nov-11 19:43:08
suzie38 Wed 16-Nov-11 19:55:39

Bumbleride Flyer is great though not used it so much recently since i've fell in love with my Go again.

FriggsFlyingFalconFeathers Wed 16-Nov-11 20:00:31

i want a bumbleride flyer too,and id love to try an indie twin...

<sit's on hands>

misdee Wed 16-Nov-11 20:02:21

no idea wht an indi twin is.

would like to get the bdual and p+y verve side by side

suzie38 Wed 16-Nov-11 20:04:35

A lady collected my snow wheels this evening and she had a tiny 4lb 7oz baby with her...Never met one, that small before.

FriggsFlyingFalconFeathers Wed 16-Nov-11 20:04:48

indie twin


pramsgalore Wed 16-Nov-11 20:05:42
misdee Wed 16-Nov-11 20:07:36

this is the bumbleride i want queen bee

pramsgalore Wed 16-Nov-11 20:10:56

well if money was no object, i would get a roddler, i did link to it ages ago on a different thread and no one liked it, blush but i think it is cool [but then i like hot rods!!!!!!] and it turns into a bike with the extra kit grin

misdee Wed 16-Nov-11 20:14:02

oh i'd love a roddler. are they still going? i drooled over them when dd3 was small (she is 6 now)

pramsgalore Wed 16-Nov-11 20:15:18

oh yes, i have drooled over one for a long time look

misdee Wed 16-Nov-11 20:17:04

oooo off to dream. maybe i'll win the lotto this week.

pramsgalore Wed 16-Nov-11 20:19:00

oooo if i did, i would have one on order straight away grin

ahh well suzie, if you decide to sell the flyer for about <looks in purse> £35 i'll take it off your hands grin

pramsgalore Wed 16-Nov-11 20:42:08

i have to say, i love, you can track your order, its always free nextday delivery and you get a 1 hour delivery slot on the morning its due, fab grin and their customer service so far has been fab as well

misdee Wed 16-Nov-11 20:55:15

and they take paypal

Tiggywunkle Wed 16-Nov-11 21:05:21

I've been drooling over a Bumbleride Indie Twin for ages! There was one in EBay a couple of months ago but it had been well travelled and damaged in-flight! I decided not to buy it!
Thanks for the Qtro info. I didn't have time to hunt earlier. My children have pilfered my iPad and it's not the same on a phone!

suzie38 Wed 16-Nov-11 21:27:42

Is the B Dual suitable from birth??? Also which seat is best to put a newborn in??? Would a toddler be able to sit in the lower seat if a carrycot was used???

MonkeyJuice Wed 16-Nov-11 21:44:10

That Roddler looks superb! Love it. Wonder if Elton John has one?

pramsgalore Wed 16-Nov-11 22:12:47

lol, it would suit him, but it would look much better with me pushing it grin sadly only in my dreams though, this is one that is def out of my reach sad

Tiggywunkle Wed 16-Nov-11 22:16:25

Yes both seats of the B-Dual are suitable from birth. You can in theory put a carrycot on the top with toddler underneath but the people I know who did that quickly swapped to having the baby on the bottom in a soft cot and the toddler on top. We have been chatting because in theory a carrycot should click into the bottom but I am guessing there's no room or it would be offered as an option. Equally the Stokke Izi car seat which lies flat should in theory fit either position using Oyster adaptors (not recommended though!)

dobby2001 Wed 16-Nov-11 23:20:52

I know what I was going to ask before. Do you need to be careful with the order that the kids are unloaded from the B-Dual,like you do with the phil and teds? For example if your baby on the lower seat falls asleep ands your older child in the upper seat decided they want to get out and run around the park is this an issue? Was seriously annoyed with the phil and teds yesterday as i had to move a baby to the upper seat for just this reason - of course they woke up and could not settle again so were grumpy all day as a result angry

Tiggywunkle Wed 16-Nov-11 23:58:45

I never moved my baby from the lower seat in the B-Dual. My daughter often hopped out at the park etc. and I left the baby in the lower seat - but we didn't have him laid flat - just reclined. The Verve we had was so tippy that I didn't dare leave the baby underneath without me hanging onto the handlebar.

Tiggywunkle Thu 17-Nov-11 00:21:36

hmm I can't wait to show you these off road photos....looking at the pictures of DD in the seats there is one clear winner re seat size, comfort etc. Its very obvious which one she looks comfy in (although I must add in RL she looks comfy in them all but I am thinking of DS for long term beyond her age). I will get these live tonight and then have a look and see if you think the same! My only issue is that the pushchair is very back heavy and the front wheel takes off as you push....with either child in....

Tiggywunkle Thu 17-Nov-11 01:53:48
Tiggywunkle Thu 17-Nov-11 01:56:45

Just to add as I said earlier the Bumbleride actually has the deepest seat. I think given that the Qtro seat is wide and the Bumbleride is the deepest seat that the correct foot rest position makes a real difference. I can see that too on my Peach and B-Agile photos.

misdee Thu 17-Nov-11 06:52:33

steven stayed asleep on tuesday when we go home from the school run in the bottom seat. it was not tippy at all.

pramsgalore Thu 17-Nov-11 09:49:46

tiggy, if the pushchair is already back heavy, you really don't want it for ds when older, my ds can tip a pushchair back that is already back heavy quite easily, he has ended up on the floor with tipped pushchair sad and he is small for his age

pramsgalore Thu 17-Nov-11 09:54:33

in the pics, dd looks the most comfy in the elite, but i suspect this is only because the seat is a bit more up right, the qtro does look like it has more room and it has 4 wheels which is always better for stabilty, is the qtro back heavy.

oooh am loving the Qtro from those pics!!!

is it heavy?

Tiggywunkle Thu 17-Nov-11 11:17:13

I have only really given three a good run - the Babyzen, Elite, and Qtro but I did make a point of whizzing DD around our gravel etc to see how the Indie compares.
Out of them all the Elite is the most back heavy. Bearing in mind I do lean a bit on handlebars, the Elite front wheel was off the ground most of the time with DS but less so with DD (Prams would it really get more tippy? I hoped that because it was more stable with DD in that it would improve with more weight?). The Qtro made more contact with the ground but hubby said often the wheels weren't turning! The Babyzen is solid ie all three wheels make contact at all times. The Indie felt more solid too but i need to try it on a smooth surface.
The issues I see are with the Elite, it is very heavy - much heavier than I expected to be honest (bearing in mind the double Elite is here). The front end is light. The basket has poor access - the double has much better access. But DD looks great in it - very comfy with room to grow. The fold is dreamy too as are being able to pop the wheels off easily.
The Qtro feels heavy to lift but weight wise it's the seconfpd lightest. The seat is very wide - both children look dwarfed but the back is relatively low so would it last DS (Tiggy says probably knowing we will have several other pushchairs by the time he s 3!)? But push ability wise the Qtro is very manoeuvrable - in fact DH thinks it could be an issue as he thinks (we need to try it) that the Qtro may be so light that it will drift on a slope and I may end up pulling it back into line.
The Babyzen - I am a huge fan but DD has pretty much outgrown it. DH says (he does more single runs that I do) that she puts her feet on the light which a) covers it an b) he thinks she will scratch it. But the freestanding flat fold is the reason it gets used most days because it sits flat by the front door so s the natural pushchair to open. It's just neat! It sat nicely on top of the car boot the other day.
The Indie - it has a very deep seat which I thought would make it a winner re comfort. The footrest is a tad shorter than the Elite but I think the angles aren't right. The leg rest is quite sloped with a flat footrest which isn't very wide. But the fabrics, chassis etc all look really smart. I think the Indie is second best...It's certainly very light to push and manoeuvre. I don't like the fold - it's the same as the Valco and Twinner Twist, but not as fluid.
I spent ages looking at all four side by side last night and still wasn't any wiser.
The Elite really has the best seat / footrest position and size and if I didn't lean on the handle then the wheel would stay in contact. I may borrow an older child to try it out. Maybe the search needs to go on? I wonder what a TFK Joggster Twist would be like, or even your Jane Slalom. I thought it would be easy to choose but nothing is quite right...

pramsgalore Thu 17-Nov-11 12:44:23

the bjcm coming out [with the removeable seat, can not recall the name, begins with an r] anyway according to babygizmo the seat is going to be bigger than a select, would that make it really big!!!!!!

suzie38 Thu 17-Nov-11 12:45:27


pramsgalore Thu 17-Nov-11 12:47:51

thats it, my brain is not working today and it don't even start with an r blush

misdee Thu 17-Nov-11 12:53:25

i need a single for the bus. doesnt have to be an umbrella fold. but suitable from newborn through to toddler.

suzie38 Thu 17-Nov-11 13:18:20

Well it's gor a R in the name and it is short for reverse which does start with R so all is forgiven wink

DH has taken the purple Nuna on it's maiden voyage, so hope he doesn't make it too muddy, like he did with the Cameleon!!!

pramsgalore Thu 17-Nov-11 13:33:45

envy i do like your purple nuna smile
vista is arriving in a few hours [the slot they have given me is school pick up time hmm but dp is off today so all good and he knows this one is arriving grin]

Tiggywunkle Thu 17-Nov-11 14:03:11

I hope you like the Vista. The box is enormous because of having the carrycot in - although having said that the Mima boxes are pretty big!!
I think the Versa sounds fab. However I honestly think we are in for a long wait for it here - I bet we don't see it much before next autumn - although I hope we do! I can't wait to see it in March.

misdee Thu 17-Nov-11 14:31:45

Tomorrows challenage for the bdual has been set. This week we hve been ill so just been doing school run and local shop. Tomorrow if we feel better we are going into town and doing a bit of xmas shoppin. I have high hopes for the basket.

Tiggywunkle Thu 17-Nov-11 14:49:39

It's amazing how much you can tuck in and under the lower seat. The side openings are really handy for pushing things through!
I am debating what to do this's a lovely sunny day here.

suzie38 Thu 17-Nov-11 15:23:03

I've finally listed the beloved Donkey!!! Someone seems quite interested in my Cameleon, so fingers crossed smile

FriggsFlyingFalconFeathers Thu 17-Nov-11 15:27:26

oh my god i want that donkey SOOO much

<sits on hands>

<hands go numb>

Tiggywunkle Thu 17-Nov-11 17:20:23

Dont....I am sitting on my hands too.........................................

Tiggywunkle Thu 17-Nov-11 17:24:49

Ooohhhh its lovely.....arrrghhh!!

aswellasyou Thu 17-Nov-11 17:45:22

Sunny?! shock It's cold and grey here. So cold in fact that I had to sit on my hands, wearing my coat in 5 hours of lectures because apparently the university doesn't like heating. hmm

suzie38 Thu 17-Nov-11 17:59:04

Been sunny here as well...Hope you've warmed up now brew

suzie38 Thu 17-Nov-11 18:06:37

10 watchers already!!!

pramsgalore Thu 17-Nov-11 18:16:46

well, its arrived and been out on two trips, one school run and a trip to the shops and sainsburys, well what can i say,
OMG its brill, it pushes so much nicer than the cam, it handles all the cambers round here and bumpy paths, its a dream to push, the basket is huge and fitted 3 bags of shopping with room to spare shock it bumped down the steps brill, the seat is huge, love the hood, the handle height is not a problem at all [phew] its really comfy to push, i LOVE IT grin its not as bouncy as the xari but still takes the bumps well i thought. it will be my work horse and my xari is my 'for best' long walks etc, when storage is not needed grin the cam is on its way out of the door, i may even part with the orbit
love it love it love it, thanks for recommending the vista everyone, it is great thanks

TruthSweet Thu 17-Nov-11 18:21:33

prams envy that's all I have to say

FriggsFlyingFalconFeathers Thu 17-Nov-11 18:25:18


MonkeyJuice Thu 17-Nov-11 18:25:59

So glad you are liking your Vista prams! Yes its a fab workhorse pram isn't it! Feels luxurious and exceptionally well engineered too. It's so well balanced, manoyverability is great and it just does all you need it to with ease.
Good luck with sales all who are selling prams. I'll be listing mine next week I think. Getting desperate for space here.
Still enjoying the Jane and thinking how useful it should be for long outings by train...assuming I don't pass my driving test in the near future. Have probably spent the price of a Roddle on lessons so far...

suzie38 Thu 17-Nov-11 18:27:33

I must be the odd one out re the Vista!!! I'm sorry but i just laugh at the Roddle so i'm definetely not coveting one...How many lessons have you had???

MonkeyJuice Thu 17-Nov-11 19:14:03

Absolutely loads of driving lessons. All ar £19 ph! On and off since March this year. Two lessons a week but no practice between at all (as not a good idea to practice driving without dual controls and kids in car....).

Tiggywunkle Thu 17-Nov-11 20:32:14

Hubby is surprised at how little you can get into a good sized single pushchair basket! Hes spent too long doing a weekly shop with a double!

Tiggywunkle Thu 17-Nov-11 20:35:34

Oh and Prams, I am delighted for you! You sent so long deliberating and researching! I am glad the handle height is fine grin

Tiggywunkle Thu 17-Nov-11 20:40:04

hmm Hubby is now asking why we don't have the Vista confused! I told him because he told me to sell it!!!!! Arrrgghhhh!!!

Tiggywunkle Thu 17-Nov-11 21:02:53

Not that anyone needs it but at £325.99 this looks like a good deal for a B-Dual with second seat and car seat?

pramsgalore Thu 17-Nov-11 21:03:28

suzie, your donkey is lovely <<also sitting on hands>> grin

MonkeyJuice Thu 17-Nov-11 21:29:26

Tiggy have you sold the Vista already? sad some of them are reduced in price on presently. Also the rumble seat can be bought from there too although not sure if the rumble ships to the UK. They also have some black Friday sales...and the easywalker sky classic is on offer.

Tiggywunkle Thu 17-Nov-11 21:31:53

Yes, hubby said I had to sad It was the Vista or a Peach and there was no contest. But I am sure we could have had both smile


We weren't on TV tonight.....thank goodness......Phew!

pramsgalore Thu 17-Nov-11 21:33:07

i paid £483.99 for mine with free postage, i thought that was quite good

suzie38 Thu 17-Nov-11 21:38:30

I'm watching that.

Tiggywunkle Thu 17-Nov-11 21:43:16

My friend is clearly on at the very end. We think we lurk but thank goodness there's nothing prominent! We thought we wouldn't because we didnt get asked to sign a disclosure form for the children to be filmed. Phew! Phew! Phew!

suzie38 Thu 17-Nov-11 21:53:01

Shit!!! The Donkey has just sold!!! shock

Tiggywunkle Thu 17-Nov-11 21:55:36

That's good news isn't it?

suzie38 Thu 17-Nov-11 21:56:45

Money will buy my new fridge and freezer [happy] as long as she doesn't pay with Paypal or it'll take me a long time to spend it!!!

suzie38 Thu 17-Nov-11 21:57:24

Yes it is...Just a shock it was so quick and by someone who hasn't emailed me any questions.

Tiggywunkle Thu 17-Nov-11 21:57:59

Lol, my other friend has been on lol

grin My baby has just done two proper crawls forwards grin

suzie38 Thu 17-Nov-11 22:02:42

Aww...Cute...I still regret not filming DD when she crawled...Don't think i've got any pictures either.

Tiggywunkle Thu 17-Nov-11 22:10:52

I sat here with the camera and when I eventually put it away, I missed it sad

suzie38 Thu 17-Nov-11 22:14:49

So typical!!! You'll have to catch him tomorrow...Will DD be surprised???

suzie38 Thu 17-Nov-11 22:19:29

Bugger...The bl**dy woman pressed the wrong button, and just wanted to ask a question...I should have said i can't reverse the sale [grump]

misdee Thu 17-Nov-11 22:20:59

thy always stop what they are doing when the camera comes out tiggy.

lousy excuse!

you don't "accidentally" click on the buy button. it DOES ask if you're sure.

i bet she bought it, then told her dh and he said NO NO and thrice NO.
or, she clicked and had an instant buyers regret

damn her!

Tiggywunkle Thu 17-Nov-11 22:25:47

We have just filmed him going across the room grin The fun starts here!
Oooohhhh nooooo Suzie. That's one load of hassle for you sad

pramsgalore Thu 17-Nov-11 22:38:42

well done baby tiggy, no stopping him now grin

suzie38 Thu 17-Nov-11 22:39:56

Well the Nuna is being collected so least that means no sorting couriers.

pramsgalore Thu 17-Nov-11 22:39:58

noooooo suzie, no way can you buy it by mistake hmm it asks you to confirm

suzie38 Thu 17-Nov-11 22:42:09

Still got no reply abiut what she wants to do re the Donkey...Her mum emailed to tell of the mistake...Asking a question bit is nowhere near the BIN button!!!

pramsgalore Thu 17-Nov-11 22:48:39

smile make her sweat!!!!!! ask her how she is planning on paying you

Tiggywunkle Thu 17-Nov-11 22:50:52

Lol send the invoice lol But ultimately there's nothing you can do. Just get it relished once she confirms she doesn't want it, and open a dispute case to get your fees back.

Tiggywunkle Thu 17-Nov-11 22:51:39

Relished!! Silly iPad. Relisted!

suzie38 Thu 17-Nov-11 22:59:32

It's only 40p so not worth it for that amount...Stupid idiot!!!

suzie38 Thu 17-Nov-11 22:59:48

Not you...The woman!!!

pramsgalore Thu 17-Nov-11 23:01:46

won't ebay charge you, because they will think its sold though

suzie38 Thu 17-Nov-11 23:03:01

Yes they will, and it''be £40...oops what do i do???

pramsgalore Thu 17-Nov-11 23:05:41

contact her and ask her what she is going to do, does she want it or not and explain you got a random email from someone claiming to be her mum saying she did not want it, then report her to ebay, thats all you can do i think

suzie38 Thu 17-Nov-11 23:07:42

EBay has sent a message based on me clicking, the buyer made a mistake...She'd better respond!!!

Tiggywunkle Thu 17-Nov-11 23:08:38

Do what I said above smile Check she doesn't want it, open a dispute case, ask her to respond ASAP, and relist.

suzie38 Thu 17-Nov-11 23:11:07

Thank goodness i've got you lot to help out...I've been charged for mistakes in the past i've just realised though luckily not so expensive.

pramsgalore Thu 17-Nov-11 23:13:05

thats good then, hope she does soon and then you can relist it, has she got a high score or is she new. my worst nightmere would be the dc's buying something while i answer the phone or something, although the laptop locks down when shut. but i would contact seller straight away to explain

suzie38 Thu 17-Nov-11 23:26:43

I've already listed it as i didn't realise about getting the sale cancelled...If i lose £40, i won't make the same mistake again!!!

misdee Fri 18-Nov-11 07:48:10

What's her eby name?

MonkeyJuice Fri 18-Nov-11 08:54:29

You can avoid the charges by contacting ebay and telling them the buyer didn't pay...if she doesn't respond or co-operate she will end up with a mark against her name. If she does it again a couple more times (to other sellers) she will get banned. (have to get herself a new ebay account).

pramsgalore Fri 18-Nov-11 09:28:47

well i never thought i would say this, but the vista is lighter to push than the xari shock although i do still love pushing my xari, i wonder if its the bouncy suspension that makes it feel heavier hmm
suzie contact ebay, don't end up with charges of £40

aswellasyou Fri 18-Nov-11 10:35:55

Tiggy how exciting about baby tiggy! He seems to have made major progress from two movements to going across the room-that's seriously pressive! Ever since that series.started, I knew that's where you'd been all those months ago. I've been looking out for your pushchair-I think it was a red Twinner Twist you said you took.

Suzie, how annoying! You really can't accidentally buy something on eBay. Hopefully she agrees to the mutual cancellation and you don't end up with two buyers.

aswellasyou Fri 18-Nov-11 10:37:35

Pressive? Impressive! My idiot phone thinking it knows what I mean.hmm

dobby2001 Fri 18-Nov-11 11:22:58

Hi everyone, gosh so much to catch up on! Lovely news about your little one smile, that link to the b-dual offer doen't work -although it does send me to some nice kids sale stuff though grin I am definatly getting rid of the phil and teds but its lighter weight and nippyness has almost made me fall out of love with the Bertini!!shock I had to use it yesterday and it felt awfully heavy and clunky - and the recline kept failing which its never done before -eek!

I have a watch on soem B-duals in ebay at the moment but am tempted by air filled tyres in 2012 - maybe I should persevere with unloading at the front door with the trusty Nipper and blow the budget when they come out hmm? Anyone know when that might be??

Prams I am liking the sound of the vista! grin Suzie hope you have got that sale sorted-stupid woman angry

MonkeyJuice Fri 18-Nov-11 13:18:44

I've got the prams from under the stairs to list on eBay...just about to photograph....but I don't really want to do it!
I'm not wanting to list the BJCM in's never my first choice to use...but is so darn practical...
I can't think what else I'd grab if I got a call saying "grandpa is I'll get on the train and be here ASAP!". It's the only one realistically I could get on a bus with I think....although the carrera folds small, I don't think it's as light or easy to handle when folded. Right, think I've talked myself out of listing that one for the moment....
This is the worst part of pram addiction...having to sell to make room at home!

misdee Fri 18-Nov-11 13:42:36

disaster with the bdual on one of those magnetic travellertors at the supermarker. the bloody brakes locked on. i had a desperate 2mins when i thought i had broken my buggy sad managed to get them off again and walk home.

it holds a great deal of shopping.

aswellasyou Fri 18-Nov-11 14:03:37

dobby, I've just looked up the 2012 B-Dual and I was wrong about the tyres being air filled.blush Wishful thinking I reckon. wink They're actually foam filled. I'm still guessing it'll push better but maybe not worth waiting for. The colour on the picture I found here is stone, but I assume they're carrying on with the other colours too. I quite like the stone canvas myself. PT have written underneath that it will now be made with 5 point harnesses, but it already has 5 point harnesses. hmm They're a pain to get the footmuff on/off with though. Maybe they've made that easier.

misdee, did you just not press the button down hard enough? I kept thinking there was something wrong with our brakes, but it was actually that I wasn't pressing down properly. I like that it has a red/green indicator so you know if the brake's on or not. I don't even notice now that I'm pressing harder than I was before.

misdee Fri 18-Nov-11 14:11:40

i was pressing it very hard. i had to rock the back wheels to get it released. am thinking magnetic travellators and bduals dont mix. next time i'll take the lift.

Tiggywunkle Fri 18-Nov-11 14:20:43

<<<<drum roll>>>>
<<<<trumpet fanfare>>>>
<<<<24 gun salute>>>>



I have to say the wonderful people at Kooltrade sorted it out for me and even offered to deliver it in person to me.

It's been worth the wait though smile
It's teeny compared to the monsters I have around the house.
It's got a lovely black frame smile
Plus the 2011 enhancements which my older 3 wheeler never had - the sit upright straps, PE Board.
It's just so dinky!

BUT with the wheels off both the Elite and BJCM4, if you ignore the obvious differences eg footplate and handlebars, you would be very hard pushed to say which pushchair was which. I stacked them, one on top of another and there isn't much in them size wise. The wheels really do make all the difference.

I had similar issues from new with my B-Dual brakes but as aswellasyou says you need to be firm.

I was just reading about the 2012 B-Dual - it just says 'rubber back tyres for greater suspension' - gosh! I found the B-Dual bouncy enough! There is a new two spoke wheel design - probably the main way to spot the difference. There's going to be a new buckle and harness so that the waist straps can be adjusted independently of the shoulder straps. There's a lovely all red colour with black frame shown.

Hahaha re having to make room at home! Somehow.....somehow my baby HAS to get into his own proper cot soon!!! I have no idea how!!! We can barely open the door for pushchairs - I bet there are 3 doubles, 4 singles and an assortment of seats in there. Plus there's another 5 singles and 1 double in the hall. Plus elsewhere and on loan!
But...the BJCM4s arrival does mean we can start to turn things around now smile

Tiggywunkle Fri 18-Nov-11 14:21:44

Yes you sometimes do need to push it forwards to release it. Hubby said it was a particular type of releasing brake. The Verve is similar.

Tiggywunkle Fri 18-Nov-11 14:24:40

Ohhh and the pram shop was shut shock. I have no idea why...I need to e mail them. So I didn't get to play sad

misdee Fri 18-Nov-11 14:27:56

surely if you keep in your room for a bit longer he'll soon skip the cot and go into a bed ;) he is older than my boy, and i'm aiming for next spring for a bed for him. unless he decides to copy his sisters and climb out sooner.

Tiggywunkle Fri 18-Nov-11 14:34:04

The problem is more that he will soon climb out of the cot he is in!

misdee Fri 18-Nov-11 14:35:20

ah right. i find travel cots are more escape proof. less levarage.

can his cot squeeze into dd's room? surely you canT lose your pram storage area?

aswellasyou Fri 18-Nov-11 14:46:07

Tiggy! shock I was starting to think the BJCM4 was an urban myth! wink How annoying about the pram shop.
Where have you seen pictures of the all red on a black frame B-Dual?! Or is it a secret photo you've been sent? I hope not. <fingers crossed>

Tiggywunkle Fri 18-Nov-11 14:46:20

Lolol you read my mind. I stood in DDs room yesterday wondering if DS could fit in too, but there is no way! We may well move his clothes into her room though so I can block off his drawers etc. Bless him - he's barely used his changing mat, or been in his room at all! There's always the bath to fill ;) and there's spaces down drawers etc to slide the odd pushchair in! (we have two bathrooms BTW before you think we would turn smelly!) lol

misdee Fri 18-Nov-11 14:49:28

ds only sleeps in his room. all his clothes toys etc are in drawers under the stairs or in the living room. i really got to get organised and sort the rooms out as got to squeeze another baby in somewhere. but they are only <<<------->>> this big [gestures with hands about the size of a newborn]]

Tiggywunkle Fri 18-Nov-11 14:50:41

No, it's is a magazine that's just literally an hour r so ago, dropped through my door. It looks gorgeous! Just my colours! I really wanted the Crimson BJCM4 - badly wanted it - but my Buggysnuggles are brown and black, and the B-Dual red fabric has shown up all the dirt, so I swapped. I wish I hadn't in some ways because we do have red and black Snunkies, but black is practical.

I heard that the BJCM4 took a gold award place at some award ceremony yesterday with the BJCM3 taking silver. I think it was in something like a lightweight stroller section.

Tiggywunkle Fri 18-Nov-11 14:51:52

Lololol re the size of a newborn, but it's the umpteen sets of clothes they need before 18 months plus the nappies you go through at 20 a day lol!

misdee Fri 18-Nov-11 14:53:04

washables. but they take up two drawers :s

misdee Fri 18-Nov-11 14:54:15

i have kept s most of ds's stuff so its all stored nciely, just need to get it in the right rooms. trying to persude dh to board the loft so we can store stuff up there

aswellasyou Fri 18-Nov-11 14:57:19

Mima are doing another charity eBay auction in a couple of weeks.

Tiggywunkle Fri 18-Nov-11 14:58:00

I cant find a photo of the red 2012 B-Dul online sad It looks very like the red B-Agile though.
We don't have a loft sad

suzie38 Fri 18-Nov-11 15:20:10

How do i contact eBay about the mess up...Is it via the resolution center??? But perhaps via a non automated way if you know what i mean???

suzie38 Fri 18-Nov-11 15:27:01

I've 3 boxes of stored clothes in the loft that i'm slowly eBaying off now...DD has an Ikea Varde 12 drawer chest in the living room that used to be full of her clothes...As she got bigger they went into 3 fullsized wardrobes...Only stuff downstairs, is pj's, vests, pants for when toilet trained, socks, and 2 drawers of washable nappies (that hopefully i'll get back soon) plus a drawer with washed wipes and eco disposables for bedtime, i was never brave enough to use cloth at night!!! But if i get the house altered that chest of drawers will go under the stairs and buggies will have to be folded and go in cupboards...Soon i'll only have the Brio Go, Bumbleride Flyer and Flite, Nuna and Citisport at home...Shock horror...The other 2 are at grandparent's houses.

suzie38 Fri 18-Nov-11 15:27:54

DD would like that dragon Mima, she's taking after me and liking reptiles and amphibians!!!

Tiggywunkle Fri 18-Nov-11 15:34:24

You can phone EBay - there are phone numbers and your need a PIN which you need to go through the process to find. They are good yo talk to but ultimately you will need to go through the resolution centre, open a case, wait for the buyer to respond and then you will get your fees back. It all depends how fast the other party responds to how long it takes.

Tiggywunkle Fri 18-Nov-11 15:35:50

Excuse typos! The PIN s given to you when EBay finally reveals their telephone number but you need to go through 20 questions to get there.

BTW, it was the Twinner Twist Duo that we took. You could see the back of it on one shot.

suzie38 Fri 18-Nov-11 15:48:41

How do you find the 20 questions???

Tiggywunkle Fri 18-Nov-11 16:04:08 waving a wand and saying the magic word??

Seriously, if you go through the ask a question options and just keep going and trying various ones, you eventually get asked if you would like to phone!

suzie38 Fri 18-Nov-11 16:19:46

Okie dokie...I'll try that later...I think i'll message her first as i sent most messages to her 'mum'...It's costing her nothing to click whatever she's suppose to click...Provided she can get that right [eyes roll]

MonkeyJuice Fri 18-Nov-11 16:58:36

Now I don't want to sell my summit either really.....I need to hide my beloved prams and magic up some money from nowhere!
Tiggy our boy didn't go into his own room until he was over 2y and lately he's spending more and more time creeping into our bed again! His latest idea is to lay full length on top of me and fall asleep like that!shock He can even turn from his front to his back without falling off - though I'm not sure if that shows his skill for balance or my girth! blush
I'm going to have to eBay something tomorrow...I'm secretly hoping the world has run out of Dylans Candy Bar Volos and mine will auction for £500! Thus negating the need to sell anymore of my collection.

I'm so pleased your BJCM4 has materialised at long last!!! Is it better on manoeuvrability than the 3 wheel version?

Tiggywunkle Fri 18-Nov-11 17:07:56

Lol re your DS! How funny!
Good luck selling the Volo! I need to finish off my photo sets and get Ebaying too.
The chance to take the BJCM4 out would be a fine thing! But I did take lots of photos whilst DH made lunch. Believe me the BJCM4 will get used here smile

suzie38 Fri 18-Nov-11 17:13:06

There was a Dylan's for sale on here.

misdee Fri 18-Nov-11 17:31:46

i want a charleys duchenne mac.

Tiggywunkle Fri 18-Nov-11 17:43:20

Ooh yes, I like the smiley face smile

pramsgalore Fri 18-Nov-11 19:04:36

grin two pushchairs leaving the house tomorrow, they are slowly going, am going to be brave and list all my cam stuff on ebay and my micralite things as well, just need to work out postage costs confused

suzie38 Fri 18-Nov-11 19:28:03

Phew...She's closed the transaction case so got my £40 back smile

pramsgalore Fri 18-Nov-11 19:33:43

thats great news suzie, i hope ebay tell her off and put a mark against her

Tiggywunkle Fri 18-Nov-11 19:39:19

Yay! smile

FriggsFlyingFalconFeathers Fri 18-Nov-11 20:45:51

wow thats amazing about your DS tiggy! smile
am i the only one who doesnt know why tiggy keeps being a near miss on TV? someone PM me would you im confused

TruthSweet Fri 18-Nov-11 21:07:52

I'm confused too! Adding my congrats for TiggyBoy's great achievements too.

suzie38 Fri 18-Nov-11 21:14:34

She went to Rise Hall in the summer with her inconspicous red twister!!! Got 29 watchers now for the Donkey...Someone asked if i didn't mind waiting until Dec 6th before being paid!!!

pramsgalore Fri 18-Nov-11 21:19:30

i bet it will sell when people get paid, so maybe next week, fingers crossed smile
shock expecting you to wait till the 6th

suzie38 Fri 18-Nov-11 21:36:38

I know that's what i thought!!! It's 2.5 weeks away.

Tiggywunkle Fri 18-Nov-11 21:54:30

We got invited to a village fete by my friend who was one of the organisers. It was at Rise Hall which is on TV at present. We chatted on here about which pushchair I could hide behind because we knew the cameras would be there - but I hate my photo being taken! The programme was aired yesterday. The photos are under the TFK TTD on BB.
shock re Dec 6th! The Donkey will sell soon smile

FriggsFlyingFalconFeathers Fri 18-Nov-11 21:57:18

ah! i watched that today! ive been watching the whole series!
im going to have to watch it again now arent i grin

suzie38 Fri 18-Nov-11 22:05:28

Anyone know of a pushchair that converts into 2 seperate pushchairs??? Some woman though the Donkey did...Only one is that prototype in America???

this one?

haha. be cool if there was one that did tho

Tiggywunkle Fri 18-Nov-11 22:09:03

Not one tht splits into two on the spot, but you could buy an additional chassis say for the City Select.

TruthSweet Fri 18-Nov-11 22:10:04

I'm sure I remember a pushchair that was a tandem that split into two pushchairs? Off to google

suzie38 Fri 18-Nov-11 22:13:35 was a wierd looking contraption...Those connectors are suppose to be pants.

misdee Fri 18-Nov-11 22:20:31

wasnt it like two combi's or two graco style strollers hitched one in front of the other?

TruthSweet Fri 18-Nov-11 22:20:40

I am sure there was one that you connected them together like a train and carriage I think it was by Chicco or similar...

TruthSweet Fri 18-Nov-11 22:21:18

misdee - great minds!

suzie38 Fri 18-Nov-11 22:28:08

yes it was.

misdee Fri 18-Nov-11 22:29:16

its too late for me to google tofind it, if anyone doesm can they link it. am curious about what it was now.

off to bed.

suzie38 Fri 18-Nov-11 22:39:10

Hi, it is just 2weeks away if that helps?
Thanks The one who wants to wait till the 6th of December!!!

pramsgalore Fri 18-Nov-11 22:41:59
suzie38 Fri 18-Nov-11 22:46:43

That's the one!!! [wunk]

suzie38 Fri 18-Nov-11 22:49:04

I sent the lady the link!!! Hope she sees the funny side wink

pramsgalore Fri 18-Nov-11 22:51:03


FriggsFlyingFalconFeathers Fri 18-Nov-11 23:06:28

Ooooh,this looks interesting... not sure about the quality,but v interesting...

suzie38 Fri 18-Nov-11 23:07:29

Might have to change boards and test the water on car seats...Want a proper rear facer in car now.

Tiggywunkle Fri 18-Nov-11 23:37:55

Wow that does look interesting Frigg - like you say I am very wary of the quality though.....and the customer support. But the seller is a known one if you had an issue....Its one I would really like a closer look at....

I had something to show you but its not as exciting as that!!
Hauck FreeRider

dobby2001 Sat 19-Nov-11 00:16:29

I saw the kidzkargo one on ebay and like you Tiggy was intrigued, until I saw the weight 18.5 kilos!!! Thats an awful lot more than the b-dual or Hauck Duett isnt it??

Mind you if you needed a tester for it i would be happy to offer my services wink

Tiggywunkle Sat 19-Nov-11 01:07:32

It does sound heavy - I thought that. Its also wide - 65.5cms.
We are debating whether to try one or not. The quality is a worry but it looks interesting if you have twins or a newborn. I would like a good play at where each seat can and cant go.

suzie38 Sat 19-Nov-11 07:32:25

That's the sort of intersting pushchair i like...Lots to fiddle with.

MonkeyJuice Sat 19-Nov-11 08:35:06

I'm under pressure to photograph prams now. H seems to think I'm keeping only one!!! Anyone here care to write a paragraph on why only one pram would be meagre and make my carless life even more difficult....? He drives to work when he could walk the 2 miles. Then he drives half a mile to get his bought lunch!!!
I have no choice but to walk whatever the weather no matter if I'm dog tired or have a cold. Always with 3 or 4 (often squabbling) kids too.
I'm struggling with the idea of selling the BJ summit in particular. But its soooo big! Maybe I should replace with that Micralite superlite classic or toro after all...and keep one set of off road wheels...

MonkeyJuice Sat 19-Nov-11 09:15:09

Might have to sell the Jane slalom! Bottoms! I'm not sure selling the summit is at all sensible. It can't be outgrown, and is proper through the mud and over heather off road. Jane isn't quite so extreme. Summit can take my 7y old if necessary. Jane definately can't take the load.

Tiggywunkle Sat 19-Nov-11 09:21:28

Is anyone else missing messages in real time?? It's happened before but not really thought about it. But last night there were only messages from Prams, Suzie and Frigg showing! (all the late part of the evening because I kept checking until 3am), but this morning I have Misdee and aswellasyou etc filling in between. It's most weird!

MonkeyJuice Sat 19-Nov-11 09:30:17

I've noticed that a few times before Tiggy. Thought it was my device.
Have realised the summit takes 20kg more than the Jane slalom.
If I could change one thing about the summit it would be that the wheel would also lock facing locks out to the front, but not back. Locked to the front is only good off road, too much play on it to be useful on smooth pavement.
Wonder if BJ would sell me an elite wheel for the front for urban use. That would work as the hole for steering lock is the opposite side for the elite front wheel. Everything else about the wheel is the same.

misdee Sat 19-Nov-11 09:31:15


MonkeyJuice Sat 19-Nov-11 09:35:46

Aww, you're not being ignored Misdee. X
It does make confusing reading at times though!

misdee Sat 19-Nov-11 09:46:36

i bet it does. i cant access long threads on my mobile so dont get gaps smile

had a whoopsie on ebay earlier blush

MonkeyJuice Sat 19-Nov-11 09:58:21

What happened on ebay Misdee? Did your buying finger slip?
I'm sat here thinking I need to sell both the Janes now! Also the Senzz, candy volo, and bjcm....and I need a new Micralite classic or toro to use on the bus or for travelling...I do love the bjcm but its so much harder to steer than all my other buggies.

MonkeyJuice Sat 19-Nov-11 10:00:31

Though the onboard storage of the bjcm is unbeatable. Maybe it'll stay. I will sell the footmuff though. He's too big for it now.

misdee Sat 19-Nov-11 10:02:46

mpx ultima in mimi for new bubs. just in case i ever need a single pram confused

had a polka one for ds.

Tiggywunkle Sat 19-Nov-11 10:30:19

The BJCM is hard to steer??

I am glad it's not just me with gaps. It was most odd to read the full conversation this morning!

I wouldn't ignore you misdee [wunk]
I hope you like your new 'accidental' purchase smile

Hubby has just shock offered that we go back to the pram shop again. He also made me try a pre order for an Origami last night - which it let me do with a UK address but yet they say they don't ship outside of the US. So I doubt it will become a reality, but it was DH who wanted one!! He's becoming a secret pram addict!!!

Tiggywunkle Sat 19-Nov-11 10:32:16

hmm I wonder if he's up for a 3 hour Donkey run.... hmm But that could get expensive!

Tiggywunkle Sat 19-Nov-11 10:33:41

We could be in Nottingham in that time wink!

MonkeyJuice Sat 19-Nov-11 10:45:23

Yes, compared to other buggies my bjcm is hard to steer. sad
I don't know if its the new style or because Ds weighs 14kg. I don't remember my previous one being hard to steer. I can't see anything wrong with it. I've used silicone spray to no avail. The front wheel takes more effort and pressure from the handlebar to get it to change direction than any of my other prams.
Maybe I'm just spoiled by other fab prams?

MonkeyJuice Sat 19-Nov-11 10:49:24

Mpx ultima sounds fab Misdee. There's bound to be some occasions when you'll need a single pram.
Tiggy do you think you'll get a donkey? I think the donkey wheels look fab. Very practical. It's certainly a versatile choice.

misdee Sat 19-Nov-11 11:09:33

i mainly use it in the house as a safe place for babies, away from bigger children and the hound. they have lovely sized carrycots, and can get sleepsafe mattresses as well for them for overnight use.

misdee Sat 19-Nov-11 11:10:16

mj, my dsis hated her bjcm, and now has a city classic(?)

Tiggywunkle Sat 19-Nov-11 11:15:26

I think if I got one Hubby wouldn't be surprised at all. But I simply can't justify the cost - it's madness just to have a good play!

misdee Sat 19-Nov-11 11:16:27

i'd love to try a donkey but ust couldnt get one blush

Tiggywunkle Sat 19-Nov-11 11:23:43

Decisions, decisions....
I have an hour and a half.
Do I photograph the small pushchairs to get them done so they can be Ebayed, or do we throw as many offroaders into our boot as possible and do a beach test? Although to be fair one isn't here...