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New Dad out of his depth

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RichSpriggs · 30/06/2010 13:10

Hello, there isn't such thing as Dadsnet so although this is Mumsnet I thought it was the next best thing.

I'm trying to take the weight of my Girlfriends shoulders (she has enough to worry about as I'm sure you all know)
Anyway I have put myself in charge of Buying all the 'big' items, soi in this case out pushchair.

This is the first time I have ever looked at anything like this and am completely out of my depth, i have no idea where to start or what I'm looking for.

If anyone has the time to spare just to run through a few things about what I need, how much I should be looking to pay and if there is any products or brand that you recommend, then I would very much appreciate it.

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meltedmarsbars · 30/06/2010 13:13

Who is going to be doing most of the pushing, folding, fastening, buckling-in, shopping-loading-into pushchair?

If it's her, I'd let her choose.

What sort of terrain is it going to be used on?

Gravel drive and dirt tracks = 3 wheeler with big wheels
Buses with no room = easily foldable and light.

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littleducks · 30/06/2010 13:17

There is a product review section on here (though i agree she may end up feeling miffed if she doesnt get to pick buggy

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RobynLou · 30/06/2010 13:23

go to the shop and test drive a few.

you need one that lies flat for little ones, and there's a lot of evidence that being able to face the adult is very good for the baby/child.

make sure it fits in your boot easily/or folds easily if you're going on the bus/train alot.

I did lots of research though, bought one I thought would suit us perfectly, and we've hardly used it, ended up using a sling all the time and then got a little light stroller when dd was bigger, so do think about whether it might be possible to put of such a huge purchase until the baby arrives and you find out what will really suit you all.

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RichSpriggs · 30/06/2010 13:49

Thanks everybody, we intend to share the load in terms of taking the LO out etc, so hopefully it should be a joint effort.

I wouldn't dream of getting anything without passing it by her first (I've learnt that lesson plenty of times lol) But thought it best to kind of get together a shortlist as it were.

We do have a car, so hopefully gravel shouldn't be an issue neither public transport. I guess we'd go for a small model like you say Roby firstly then once baby arrives we can see if we need to 'upgrade'

Are there any brands or shops you recommend?

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LynetteScavo · 30/06/2010 13:55

The best thing to do is go to a large shop and test them, and get advice.(Although Mothercare assistants don't generally tend to know much about what they are selling ) Anyone who can afford them seems to go for a Bugaboo, but you'll probably end up with a McLaren at some point.

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RobynLou · 30/06/2010 14:12

if you live near a john lewis then you can't really beat them for advice, you can always then buy somewhere cheaper!

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faddle · 30/06/2010 17:11

My best advice is to make sure it will fit in the boot of your car! I made that mistake (I blame it on pregnant brain) and buy something with good resale. I would recommend bugaboo any day of the week. Def take a test drive round the shop, try some tight corners etc.
Choose practial unisex colours then you can re-use it second time round, or, if you plan to have kids close together, then look at ones that take a buggy board or convert into a double. Check the weight as most of the newborn systems are pretty chunky and heavy, and if your GF ends up having a caesarean, she wont be able to lift anything heavier than baby for several weeks.
Oh, and if it takes more than 30 seconds for someone to explain how to fold/unfold it, its too complicated!

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RobynLou · 30/06/2010 17:21

"Oh, and if it takes more than 30 seconds for someone to explain how to fold/unfold it, its too complicated!"

SO TRUE!!!!!!!!

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nicm · 30/06/2010 19:47

we got a teutonia spirit s3 in the end after spending about 4 months looking! has been a great purchase and we still use it daily after 27 months and plan to get the double in december. we walk loads so wanted a 3 wheeler and i wanted one that was rf when the baby outgrew the carrycot.

we got the carrycot which was good for the first 6 months as a baby bed. also got the year round footmuff, parasol, car seat adaptors and wind cover.

we bought it from www.pingpong-online.com/ and they were good and have been good with after care but it is cheaper to buy from here now.

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Spirael · 01/07/2010 09:55

I was choosing the pram/travel system earlier in the year and these are a few things I learnt/considered:

WHEELS
Solid or air: Air tyres make for a softer ride, but can puncture, so you might need to carry a puncture repair kit with you. Replacing the tubes can get expensive and annoying if it happens a lot. Also, for a softer ride, check there's suspension on the wheels.

Three or four: Four is a bit more stable, three is more manoeuvrable.

Big or small: Big wheels are more easily manoeuvrable and forgiving on various terrains, but small make the pram a lot more portable, especially on public transport.

Locked or mobile: Do the front wheels turn or are they locked in position? A lot of systems give the option for both, you flip a switch and they can be locked or not depending on what terrain you're tackling. Locked is better for gravel and such, having the ability to turn is more manoeuvrable.

Removable: Some systems make the wheels removable, which can be good if you have a small car but want a big system. However imagine standing in the rain and having to faff about removing/storing muddy wheels... Is that a problem or not?

Brakes: Some have a little foot pedal, some have a bar going across the whole of the back. I found having a bar annoying, as I couldn't then use my foot to help lift the pram up steep curbs. You definitely want to make sure that you feel confident the brakes will hold!

FRAME
Weight: How heavy is the frame? It's finding a good balance between something you and your partner can handle/carry, and something that feels satisfactorily sturdy.

Size: Big can be more comfortable for the baby and last a bit longer, but will be a problem when using public transport or small shops. Small will store easier and fit better in the boot of a car.

SEAT UNITS
Car Seat: Some of them will clip onto frames with or without special adapters, so you can transfer baby direct from the car without waking them. However, small babies shouldn't spend more than two hours at a time in a car seat as they get all squished up.

For car seats, you can just attach them into the car as they are by using the belts. However, you can also get docking stations that stay in the car which you clip the seat to - much quicker and easier if you're going to be removing the seat a lot. (i.e. Putting baby in/removing baby from the car seat while in the house, rather than standing in the rain next to the car.) Some of the docks are secured by the belts, some can be ISOFixed if your car has the option.

Carry Cot: On the bulky side, but good for a newborn and will clip on and off the frame if you're visiting friends or such and want to leave the baby asleep without bringing the whole travel system inside. Some can also be used overnight as a moses baskets, others can clip into the car across two seats to make a more comfortable ride for a small baby, so useful for multitasking. The car ones are also good if you think you'll be making car journeys of more than 2 hours. However, the carry cot probably won't last more than 6 months at the longest.

Seat: The ability to lay it completely flat is necessary if you want to put a newborn in it. Also worth considering is whether it will face backwards as well as forwards, there's a school of thought that says younger children prefer to see Mum/Dad by facing backwards. Also, some seat units can be left in place when the pram is folded down, others need removing.

HANDLES
Two handles or one long bar? Also, if you and your partner are different heights, the handle needs to be easily adjustable and comfortable for you both to use.

STORAGE
Is the size of the shopping basket important? Do you want pockets on the side of the hood to store extra little bits and pieces? It's worth considering whether you'll be hanging the changing bag over the handles, or dropping it into the shopping basket.

APPEARANCE
Is having a specific colour or trendy appearance important? Is being able to have lots of options to add accessories important?
Some prams have more options than others. For example plastic rain covers that are designed specifically to fit that model, parasols and changing bags that match the colour exactly, etc.

CLEANING
How easy is it to remove and replace all the covers when the baby throws up all over them? Can the covers be shoved in the washing machine? How long will they take to dry? Most of them are relatively easy to remove and can be machine washed, but it's worth checking!

COMPANY
Is the company who makes the pram good and reputable? What is the warranty like? How are their safety records? Is getting hold of them to replace parts easy or difficult? There's no point importing your perfect pram from the other side of the world if it becomes a nightmare if something breaks.

COST
From my experience, it is mostly a case of 'Get what you pay for' with cost. Picking up a really cheap system can backfire as it falls apart after a few weeks. On the other hand paying over the odds can be a waste if you end up barely using it. In some cases you will end up paying a bit more for the brand... Bugaboo springs to mind.

For a new system with just the basic frame and seat unit you're probably looking between about ÂŁ100-ÂŁ300ish depending on what you go for. However adding on extras like Car Seats and Rain Covers can push the cost up significantly.

I think my entire system (I went with Britax B-Smart 4) ended up around ÂŁ600 in total, which was the frame, seat unit, car carrycot, car seat, car seat dock, foot muff and rain covers. Other brands I looked at were iCandy and Bugaboo.

Getting second hand is an option and can save a fair amount of money. However, there's always a risk that it might have undeclared defects, come from a home with pets/smokers and/or not be in warranty so replacement parts will cost. Depends whether you're willing to take the risk and save the money.

Best thing I can suggest is get yourself to a variety of parenting stores and spend a few happy hours playing with their systems! Take them to pieces, race them around the store, etc. You soon get a feel for what is important to you.

I hope that's helpful!

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potplant · 01/07/2010 10:00

"Oh, and if it takes more than 30 seconds for someone to explain how to fold/unfold it, its too complicated!"

DITTO DITTO DITTO.

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RichSpriggs · 01/07/2010 11:16

Thank you so much Spirael that is all great. I am going to seem like a proper expert now lol, the GF will be very impressed and that's all down to you, a very comprehensive break down of it all.

We are going out this afternoon looking so i will update you with how we got on!

Thank everyone very helpful

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colourhappy7 · 01/07/2010 11:38

I had a Mamas and papas MPX travel system, which included a carrycot (which we used as a moses basket in the house as so comfy, and also fits on the chassis so you can use it for walks), car seat,carseat base, pram for up to age 4 (I think) which fully reclines and you can put baby in. I LOVED it - someone else posted on here about wanting more info on it recently and I replied so maybe worth you having a read through my experience of it...

Things I wouldn't negotiate on with a pram personally are:-

Definitely love flexibility of having baby facing me/outwards - dont underrate it!! If they play up, you can face them out, so they can see the world, and if they are in a chatty mood you can face them towards you for interaction (my 2 year old toddler still prefers to face me whilst round town!)

Wouldn't want to buy one pushchair, then another down the road to 'upgrade' - buying one is expensive enough, and if you put all your cash into one decent one, then you'll have a better pram anyway. - not sure if you'd consider 2nd hand, but definitely worth looking into that option as you can probably bet on paying at least half the price of a new one.

Must have a decent sized basket underneath if you do shopping, and be able to hang things off the handle bars without pram tipping over - this may not matter to you if you're not planning on shopping with pram - but I do lots and this is important to me.

Adjustable handle bars - much better if you and partner are different heights!

Things I would negotiate on:-
Doesn't matter too much if the carseat can clip on and off easily - I found that this function didn't really benefit me that much, as I mainly had baby in the pushchair fully reclined anyway, rather than carseat, as much comfier.

Just a few things off the top of my head for you to consider when choosing - hope it helps!

R*

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Spirael · 01/07/2010 12:20

Glad the info was helpful, Rich. Have fun this afternoon, playing with all the systems!

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Multimummy · 01/07/2010 13:42

Also - do you live somewhere quite flat - or is it hilly?

I used to live in the dales (hilly!) and up there you would want a very light buggy - becuase it's harder work pushing something heavy up hills - you might not notice with a newborn so much - but by the time your child is a year or so old you'd be glad of something light (instep nipper 360 for all terrain or bugaboo bee for urban environments).

If you live somewhere quite flat - then you may want a more robust system - like a Mutsy, which has an optional shopping basket that is huge - and the baby seat unit can be replace with a "fun seat" that looks like bike for a toddler - which makes it versatile and practical too.

Do you plan to have a 2nd child closely after the first? Would you be better buying a single buggy that can be converted into a tandem with the addition of a click on toddler seat? (phil and teds vibe?/baby jogger city select?).

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RichSpriggs · 08/07/2010 12:59

Hi Everyone :

Just thought i'd update you all.
We had a great afternoon looking through all the various products (my word theres a lot of choice)

Anyway... we think we are going to buy 2 pushchairs. 1 bulky one, for general use and then we thought we'd get a smaller one for going round the grandparents and if we go away etc...

So in terms of the bulky one we both liked the graco symbio (travel system) and as a smaller one my GF like the Zia.

What do you think of our choices? I am now on the search to find these as cheap as i can! lol

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faddle · 08/07/2010 20:03

Personally I wouldnt buy a graco. I've had two, the first one was luxury on wheels for newborn, but took up the whole boot and was impossible to get round most shops. The second was a tandem double (all I could afford) the rear wheel buckled after 2 weeks and I had to pay for them to replace it. They said I had overloaded it (with a newborn?) Was not impressed. Also, resale value is rubbish, we sold the immaculate quattro tour travel system 6 months old, used about 20 times for ÂŁ30. We had paid ÂŁ240 for it.
They do tend to be very popular though, so there must be something good!

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Daisypod · 09/07/2010 12:55

Sorry but I hate those Graco things, mainly because the people who have them tend to always use the car seats on them so that they are rear facing and that is so bad for babies. They need to be laid flat as much as possible in the first 6 months.

I would strongly suggest looking at ones with a separate carrycot. You will also find the resale value will be much better. You will not get much for the Graco if you decide to sell.

You do not have to spend a fortune either as there are some good deals on pushchairs with carrycots.

I personally think the only reason why they are popular is that they are cheap, seem to do everything and people do not know how bad it is for young babies to be in car seats alot. Travel systems are actually not sold in many countries due to this fact.

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IMoveTheStars · 09/07/2010 13:02

Whatever you do, don't get the 3-wheel Quinny Buzz. Worst of all worlds (heavy, unwieldy, no shopping basket to speak of, too small for DS, expensive etc etc)

We're planning #2 and I'd really like to get a M&P Luna - lie flat, you can get an soft carrycot for it. Nice big seat for baby but folds up nice and small. Good useable shopping basket and light and manouvreable. (haven't heard great things about the 3-wheeler, but the 4-wheeler is excellent)

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naomi83 · 09/07/2010 14:09

If you are only planning on using one pushchair the best ones are baby jogger city mini (dream to fold, lightweight, but only forward facing), bugaboo bee plus (faces both ways, height adjustable, lovely to push but expensive) or luna 4 wheeler (lovely to push, nice accessories). They all have newborn options and can take a carseat. If you want both a larger system and a lightweight I'd recommend the Bugaboo Cam, the Baby Jogger City Select or the Britax Vigour, and a maclaren quest/baby jogger city mini as your lightweight one for travel. Every Graco I've ever pushed has been plasticy and like pushing a tank with an old child, and the zia has very bad reveiws- wobbly and tippy. Hope this is helpful.

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IMoveTheStars · 09/07/2010 14:43

oh naomi - I didn't know the babyjogger had a carrycot option! I change my opinion then, I've been after one of those for ages but never had an excuse to buy one

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IMoveTheStars · 09/07/2010 14:44

[reads post properly]

ignore me

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