I always said I'd never get a Phil and Teds but...

[cara2244]

It's looking like the only option!

I like to do 45mins-1 hour of off road walking a day.
Have a 2.5 yo DS and a 6 week old baby.
DS will only walk shortish distances, or longer distances if the weather is good, and walks very slowly.
Currently using our old, and brilliant, all terrain mountain buggy and a moby wrap for the baby.
I tried a buggy board but DS will only go on it for short distances and it's no good off road.
The mountain buggy doubles look good, but they're expensive (£200 is max budget really). I also wonder if I'd end up just pushing the baby around in it if DS decides he does want to walk, and then we'd end up having to keep both mountain buggies.
The ideal buggy seems a Phil and Teds sport 2nd hand but whenever I see them they look flimsy, and I'm not so keen on the child being near the ground. The reviews vary too, whereas all the mountain buggy reviews I've seen are good.

[Hevster]

I off road with mine and it's fine, however if I was only off roading I would have a nipper double as it's light, great to push and plenty of room. I do half my mileage on the pavements and I got v irritated by the width of a double in town.

[pramsgalore]

this is dp fav pushchair, i have had an e3 and sport both good, had a vibe and hated it, ds found it hard to climb in the back and he thought it was funny to keep putting the brake on, also has front wheel issue, was repaired by p&t, but that was the last straw sold it on, glad i did as have read they had loads of problems [v1]. the sport has had some use and has not been really looked after and now lives in the car, [this is the one he will insist on taking on hols] ds now 5 and dd4 now 2 years 10 months, ds still will jump in the back seat or front if dd is walking, he is far too heavy for the back but the pushchair takes it in it's stride, even round the zoo had dd2 sat over the front wheel, i have to say the fabrics have held up good as well, no tears or rips at all, they are built well, don't think the new ones are built as well as they are already doing a recall and have heard things like hoods poping off etc. can not remember how long i have had it but i bought it when the sport v1 had just come out. i sold my e3 then regretted it, went to buy another and bought the sport , the b-dual is meant to be good as well

[JustFiveMinutesHAHAHA]

I love P&T and think it's great for the stage you are at.

[MonkeysPunk]

Look for a second hand double mountain buggy? I've seen those go for under £200 on ebay.

[changer22]

I sold my P and T (I had one of the first E3s) for a double MB. I loathed the P and T!

Try the local paper or Gumtree as well as ebay. You should be able to get one for around £100 - doubles are cheaper than single MBs.

[lagrandissima]

P&T not great off road and can be quite heavy, especially when your DC2 reaches toddlerdom.

[Tiggywunkle]

I got an ABC Adventure buggy for just over £100 and it's awesome. I love it. the Nipper is great off road. If you do buy a P&Ts put the doubles kit on the front and check your DS is fine ie can fit under the hood, can get a raincover on etc. because some have more head space than others. I found the B-Dual good off road too.

[cara2244]

Thanks for the useful replies everyone! I think p and ts are a bit like marmite. I'm going to look at a couple with OH and the kids and see what works.

[shufflebum]

tiggy where did you find the adventure buggy for under £100?! Really like the look of them but the ones on eBay have been quite pricey.

[sazm]

i've had 2 phil and teds,both the E3model, i found it has such a fab lifespan in comparison to other doubles - we used ours on long walks/days out/holidays, our 5yo could fit in the second seat,and meant we could do anything on holiday even when the dc's were tired :)

[Tiggywunkle]

shufflebum on EBay..it was a few pounds over £100 and someone very very lovely from here collected and posted it for me. It's one of my favourite tandems because baby can sleep comfortably, well shaded whilst I can chat to my toddler. It's a lot of fun and pushes really easily with both children on board. Plus it's got lots of storage for shopping which is what is lacking on a P&T for me.

[MrsPotatoHeadsStylist]

Cara I have the P&T Sport and I don't think of it as flimsy at all. I agree that I never wanted one, but like you it ended up being my only option really. I love it now. Its isn't very stylish but it is a workhorse, ours has taken a beating and it just keeps going, certainly not flimsy. I'd go for it if I were you, if you buy 2nd hand on ebay and don't like it you'll be able to sell it on, probably for about what you paid for it anyway.

[Namechangeoshame]

They're not perfect, but I'd definitely defend them against charges of flimsiness - ours was last seen lugging around its fourth pair of children.

[Namechangeoshame]

They're not perfect, but I'd definitely defend them against charges of flimsiness - ours was last seen lugging around its fourth pair of children.

[Namechangeoshame]

(sorry for double post - bloody iPhone)

[cara2244]

Bought one today second hand advertised on preloved, 180 with a brand new set of replacement seat covers. It was literally round the corner- We walked there and back!

I like it so far and am looking forward to trying it out tomorrow, just with ds at this stage. I think I probably need a cocoon for dd- she is 7 weeks old and was 6lb born so is still quite little.

[cara2244]

I took both kids out in it today and its great for our needs! THe steering is a dream after two years with a mountain buggy. I think I can get by without the cocoon as my baby is 7 weeks. May get some hang bags, what do people think of them?