How far would you walk to the station ?(81 Posts)
In the midst of my hunt for accommodation for my DCs( aged 18 and 16) I have come across some wonderful properties. The problem is that they are always some distance away from the tube.Ideally, of course we would prefer a property which is next to it but this has not been feasible so far. So how far is too far to walk daily to the station if no other transport is available except the tube?
I walk 20 minutes each way to the tube for my commute and that doesn't feel too long, but it does depend on how much of a journey you then have afterwards - I used to have 20 mins walk followed by 30 mins tube which was a doddle, but now it's 20 mins walk followed by 50 mins tube - must get new job!
Equally I once had a commute that was 45 mins each way walking, with no tube at all, and that was lovely (tho' not so much when raining and windy, to be fair), so would there a be a possibility of walking the whole thing?
Oh just seen for your DCs as well, not just you. Hmm, well, have lived in London for 15 years and the shortest walk I've ever had to the nearest tube was 10 mins - most have been 20 minutes (moved around a lot when I was renting!), so - for me - at any rate - it was not a great hassle not to live right next to the tube. Also makes the properties a wee bit cheaper I found!
I agree, it depends on how long your commute is. I used to get the train to Sheffield (around 30/40 mins) then walk another 30 minutes to work. It was a nightmare in the winter! Also used to walk 45 minutes each way to my old job with no other commute which was nice when it was good weather but awful in the wind/rain/snow.
I'd probably say about 20 minutes, as it's not too long. Not sure how much this would equate to in distance though. It depends how fast you walk
How long would it take to walk say 1/2 mile to the station at a leisurely pace?
I'd do 20 minutes, but complain about anything more than 10
The DC and I did a mile walk this morning in about 20 min going at medium pace (they're 10 and 8) so half a mile should be about 10 minutes.
My station is 1 mile, takes me 15-20 minutes with a double pushchair, leisurely pace.
The general rule of thumb for Londoners is 10 mins. Any further is regarded as cruel & unusual punishment.
Personally, i think 15mins is perfectly acceptable.
Thank you for the feedback. So looks like it would not be wise to be looking at properties which are more than 1/2 mile up or down the road from the station then.
to the tube, I mean, not all the way
My nearest station (overground) is just over a mile away. I walked it with my three-year old last week. It took us half an hour.
A half-mile from the station would take a reasonably fit adult (on level ground) around 10 minutes.
I'd say 20 minutes was a reasonable walk. Longer than that could be a pain.
15 mins would prob be my cut off.
At 18 and 16 I'd expect them to be able and willing to walk up to half an hour to get to a station tbh. Brilliant if you can get somewhere closer, but hardly a deal breaker, or at least it shouldn't be.
Wouldn't want them cycling on a busy road. Besides, where could they store the bicycle once at the station without chances of it being stolen?
half a mile can be practically crawled in 10 minutes.
2 miles is fine, although less pleasant if beside a busy road. If it is raining and 'office dress' is required, you wear proper shoes and a coat and take a change.
10 minutes is my preference with 15 min my cut off. My onwards commute though is easy.
They're 18 and 16, why shouldn't they cycle with the relevant protective equipment?! Also most stations have cycle bars that bikes can be chained to, a decent chain is only about £15-£20.
I have a couple of different tube stop options, one line is 3 min walk, the other 20mins, but there's buses every 5 minutes
Maybe consider that option too
16 and 18 year olds should be able to cycle (unless they can't ride bikes of course)
Agree that 1/2 a mile is nothing. But it does depend on the rest of the journey.
Well, 1/2 a mile to the station, 15 min train journey and then over a mile to office/college/whatever on the other side makes the first 1/2 mile part of the whole general ballache of the journey really.
I would say anything up to 40 minutes, but the rest of this thread makes it look like I'm being unreasonable.
I think it depends also on what the rest of the journey is like - if you've then got 40 minutes on the train and another half hour to walk at the other end, then you only want about a 5-10 minute walk at this end. If it's just 10 minutes on the train and 5 minutes at the other end, then this end can be longer. How long would the overall commute be, door-to-door?
10 minutes for me, downhill, but then at night when I'm exhausted its uphill.
I'm not a lazy git I'm not young and I have asthma. My station has kept me in this house for years longer than I would have liked. Oh and the walk from the station to the office is about 7 minutes and flat and its a direct train
Agree with everyone saying - it depends on how long you are then on the tube/train, and what the walk is at the other end, but I would say about a 15+min walk is ok, which gives you a mile radius of the station. Of course, if the house were perfect in every other way, then that's when can start considering stretching it a bit.
That said, how long are your 16 and 18 yr olds going to be living with you? If you are buying, then presumably only a very short part of the next 10 yrs or so you will live there?
Half mile is absolutely nothing, it's a less than ten minute walk. Also even if a longer walk from station what about buses? I lived about 20 min walk from the tube but had direct buses right by my door so no need to walk to tube if raining, and found that an ideal location really. I wouldn't want to be more than about 20 min from a station or bus though.
both my older ones walked to school- 1 mile and 2 miles respectively. Took them longer than 30 minutes. Did not kill them.
I have strong views on this
I'm very fit, I run 30-40km a week and really enjoy walking. However, I would absolutely hate to do a walk of more than about 5 minutes as part of my daily commute. When you're walking because you feel like walking it's fine, but when you're wearing uncomfortable shoes/it's raining/it's late at night/it's hot and you're late for work/you're carrying heavy stuff/you're fed up and tired and just want to get home, it's a total ballache.
A bus journey to the tube can make it a lot more manageable, if the buses are frequent.
Barclaybikes are used by my nephew / nieces in London to get to tube
We are a mile from the tube/ overground, ie about 15 mins walk...and I prefer to go to that station (as opposed to one about 5 mins away) because it means I can get a direct train and not change at Clapham. I would say that distance is fine, and I have about the same distance at the other end - it is my exercise! DSs are 7 and 9, and they are fine with that distance too, although they don't walk it regularly.
Having said that, I have just started cycling to work, and love it. 45 mins.
1 mile. That's walking along the streets and not as-the-crow-flies.
The test for me is what eventually becomes a right pain walking back after a day's work on a chill and horrible Winter's evening.
if it's more than 10 mins, then it'd be served by next train station - so there's no more than 10 mins in our area that I can think of
Our area of search was quite narrow - so anything that was more than 10 mins from our station just didn't fit our criteria (south - too suburban full of 1930s semis and no shops and black hole for schools, too posh and expensive on the north, and too rough on the west)
It's 10-20mins from tube to my work and it's actually ok, I'm surprised. Good exercise too. But maybe I prefer less from station to home as I am less patient trying to get home)))
I've always had to walk 15mins to get to the station but that's at the start of a 1:15hr commute. Brisk walk in trainers - just over a mile.
I actually think it depends more on the job than the rest of the journey. I'm willing to do it because it's for an interesting job with decent pay. I wouldn't do it for a miserable job on minimum wage (unless I absolutely had to)
Could they get folding bikes? I woukd only do this if they can drive though. Too dangerous for the non-road-aware. Might be a prob for the 16 year old.
20 mins walk is surely fine?! They are young and fit(I presume?). They won't be rushing to chikdcare pickups etc so won't be under time pressures I would imagine....?
Here's the thing..........We are expatriates living overseas and DCs are to start uni in central London so they are pretty much left on their own. Not sure what tubes serve LSE and UCL in London but presumably there will be tubes nearby. and university hostel isn't exactly cheap either.Perhaps nearer, but we are visiting a few times a year so it makes sense to get our own for our convenience as well as investment in the long run.
Budget is not huge though-looking at a 1 room flat for 250k ? Not sure where that would get me but presumably Zone 3 or 4 or 2 if I am lucky......and has to be a reasonably low-crime area. Eventually, they will get a car so I am also looking where there will be free parking.
Thanks all for great feedback and advice.
They will be 17 and 19 soon.....
Im happy to walk up to a mile to the station which takes me about 20mins. At the moment im about 2 miles from the station so im tsking the bus to the station and then I walk back home when the weather is pleasant which takes me 40mins.
Dh reckons he can comfortably walk a mile in 15mins (ie without breaking out a sweat) In some places you can bus it to the tube - might be worth considering? It would make your money go a lot further - or look for places on good bus/overland routes, they also tend to be cheaper.
1 mile is my suggestion. It's quite hard in London to get more than 3/4 mile from a tube or train station.
Well I live a mile from the tube station and I'm afraid I generally take the bus. In our last house we took the bus everywhere, but it was very central ( just oddly far from tube stations). I can and sometimes do walk from the house to the tube, but it's up a bloody great hill and I'm lazy.
These days I wouldn't walk more than 10 mins. I got used to a walk of 7 mins in my previous flat, which spoilt me I think! That was about 0.4 miles according to Rightmove. Used to do a 45 min walk every day to college when I was 17, these days I will hop on a bus if the tube station takes more than 10 mins to walk! And I wouldn't cycle in London either, too many mad lorry drivers.
I'd say 15 mins which is a mile if you are reasonably mobile.
Your situation is quite specific though. How long for commute overall? London tube is super, if you avoid heavy use stations at peak times / changing, you can get a long long way in a short time.
UCL is euston so you have a great range of areas to look at. I can recommend the borough I live
Honestly north london is very diverse and with a range of prices (all heading to expensive now!) but I grew up in and live in that area and would be happy to say yay or nay to areas if you like.
LSE and Euston are both REALLY well situated for tubes and buses. And trains (Euston or Kings X/St Pancras), tho you might need a connection from train to LSE.
I'd think more about what is the length of (entire) journey that they'd want.
I'd also question the need for car. Unless you have diplomatic immunity, no one drives to UCL/LSE. Or are they planning to drive out of London?
Are overland trains less crowded than the tube during peak period?
I understand cost of living is substantial in London but would it be more cost effective if the 2 DCs were to live in hostel accommodation which I was given to understand would be about 200-250 pounds a week per DC.
Or to buy a place worth 250K for both of them?
Decisions! Decisions! Decisions ! Help me out here please!
No we do not intend to drive into London except perhaps over the weekend in order to escape the congestion charges but it will be useful to have a car to roam around the suburbs.
I know there are many issues to ponder upon and I will be grateful for any advice or suggestions.
During peak period, pretty much everything is crowded! Tubes often a little bit worse. Don;t worry though, fruitqueen, your DC will soon learn to sharpen their elbows and squash in along with everyone else.
I went to UCL, and I found that living in Halls, in Zone 1 in 1st year was one of the best things about it! Did you mean 'official' Halls of Residences rather then 3rd party hostels?
If you can afford a 250k property in London I think it would be a good investment, the way prices are going. Rents seem to be going up so it could be a lot more - and your dc would avoid the possible disruption of rental contracts, hassle from landlords (but of course then have to deal with maintenance themselves).
If they are in London they could avoid the cost of owning a car/parking and use zipcar or similar if it is just for occasional use.
Yes I think overground trains are better than the tube but runs slower than most tube lines.
A friend has recently sold a 1 bed ex-council flat for £250k in zone 1, it was for two young siblings who will be sharing by converting the living room into a bedroom. You could get quite a central property if you look at ex-council, which in zone 1/2 are being snapped up by young professionals so aren't as grotty as they sound.
Uhgggh not a hostel . That is no way to live if you have choices. Halls of Residence are very different and can be quite fun.
Do not buy a car! They won't need it. (My niece sold her car as it was more of a pain than a use, and she was in her mid-twenties and doing a job which involved late nights). If you are there at weekends you can hire a car.
I would go for Halls of residence as that is where you make friends, otherwise they will be quite lonely and more likely to drop out.
I meant halls of residence but I understand it is only for the first year so after that, they would need to get out in any event.....pearlbutter mentioned ex-council flats in zone 1- where are these developments as i have not come across any?
They are usually the cheapest properties listed on Rightmove if you sort by price. e.g. www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-44888231.html (although that is more zone 2 but still quite central). Not the nicest area but not too bad and not unusual for students/young graduates to rent rooms in flats on those estates. I know quite a few quite well-paid grads (high rate taxpayers) renting/buying in ex-council flats as it's the only way to live fairly centrally these days.
pearlbutter the flat that you linked does not have a proper window!
Pearlbutter - I think (and hope) that flat on your link is illegal. There are no windows. What an absolute sickner. Sometimes I feel so ashamed to be British.
How strange! I hadn't really noticed that, there seems to be a kitchen window though. I assumed it was the council estate that you see on the Street View link, in which case it's unlikely to be illegal. It might be that the photos were taken against the window so you can't see them in the images. Anyway, it was just an example of the cheap but central type of flat that falls into the OP's budget. Plenty of others on Rightmove if they don't like that particular one.
That flat looks like it's been converted from a garage or something. Bizarre. The floorplan shows skylights but no windows, although there is no sign of even skylights in the photos.
FWIW I'll be selling my ex-LA flat later in the year for about £250K. It's in zone 2 but only has one bedroom. I really think you'll struggle to find a 2-bed place for that price, OP, and I also wonder what your children think of this arrangement? If I were them I would far, far rather live in halls than be out in the sticks with a 2-mile walk to a tube station.
If they're moving to London from abroad, establishing a network of friends will be so important, and if I were you I'd prefer them to be centrally located, surrounded by other young people and with access to pastoral support that the university would offer, than stranded out in some area you don't know purely so you can get a return on your 250K investment and persuade yourself they're somewhere "naicer" than student accommodation.
(Do I win an award for "Longest Sentence Ever Posted on MN?")
I walk 15 minutes to the station, 40 minutes train journey, then 20 minutes at the other end. I am 50 and have arthritis, and find this totally acceptable - but then I am a Londoner, and we do tend to walk more than elsewhere in the country.
I'm loath to encourage you to invest in property in London, but I guess it makes sense.
I am currently 10 mins walk away from the station with 12 minutes train ride and 10 mins walk at the other end. Perfect.
Considered (or still considerinf) moving 20 mins walk to the station and 40 mins train ride and 10 mins at the other end and already scared of this.
I live in London and for a fair chunk of the year they will be coming home in the dark and it will be freezing cold. All transport is overcrowded, and it would be grim getting off a crowded train to still have a 20 minute walk in the dark and cold. I would be happy with no more than ten, when you off the train you just want to be in your own home in the warm asap.
Because all transport is so crowded changing trains is another thing that is awful. You just settle in and enter a zone with your head near someone's armpit, and then have to shuffle through a crowded tunnel system to do it all over again.
Having separate bedrooms at that age will also add to their quality of life, and when you come and stay they can share a room and you get your own bedroom so you can go to bed when you are tired instead of waiting for them to get to bed first so you can fall asleep on the sofa. If they are in a 1 bed you will all be on top of each other and they will want you gone as soon as you have arrived if you stay for a visit.
If your kids need to get to UCL and LSE being on the central line would be best, looking east to Leyton or Leytonstone you could just about get a 2 bed I reckon reasonably close to a the station. Also close to Stratford Westfield for cinemas and stuff.
Something like this might fit the bill
They is a lack of supply in London at the moment which is driving prices up, what you can afford right now you might not be able to afford in a month so buyers need to act decisively at the moment.
If you had 250k to spare to buy a first property in UK for investment, and you had the choice of a 2 bedroom flat in really nice and safe surroundings eg in. Bath and another property somewhere in Zone 3 or 4 in London , but a 1 room flat. in a not so nice or safe area, which would be the better bet? Both from the investment point of view and a place to stay as a vacation home.
Ooops i meant to post this as a new thread but inadvertently posted it here....
for investment/rental/students close to tube is a must really
you can get quite central eg nw6 one bed (use living as bedroom for students sharing)
far out like leytonstone travel costs higher too
even if they students
ha ha cestlavielife - that top one has gone UP in price from 225 to 230 and now 240 (since Dec 2013) and they wonder why it won't sell.
I went to UCL and lived all over. You get more for your money south and can save on transport- you can cycle or get the bus from Elephant and Castle/Walworth/Camberwell. It's very convenient for LSE too and a bus pass is much cheaper than a tube pass.
I could recommend places further out that are chair with excellent transport links (eg Wealdstone to Euston in 15 mins) but I guess they would like to be central. I know when I was a student I thought zone 3 was practically the countryside.
Correct me if im wrong, but i was given to understand that the places u suggested celticpromise may somewhat be rough and as they will be living alone most of the time, i would like to know that they are relatively safe from crime and muggings .
It's not really as simple as that in London. Rough areas and lovely areas are all mixed up together really. You can find both along the Walworth road. I've lived in some 'lively' areas and never been mugged but it does happen of course.
What areas do you think might be suitable?
as they will be living alone most of the time, i would like to know that they are relatively safe from crime and muggings .
They're going to university. They'll be going out with their mates, who will live all over the place. There's a good chance they'll get drunk and do stupid things.
If you want them to be relatively safe, the best thing to do is make sure they're capable of looking after themselves (household stuff, basic cooking and so on, budgeting, time management,) and are a bit streetwise. Where they live will only be part of the picture - they won't be home all the time.
Besides, you can live in a terribly nice area, and still not be safe from crime and muggings if you're unlucky.
Ebearhug-im not particularly worried about their skills of home management as they have already been living by themselves since 2 years ago when I had to leave for a job posting in another part of the region. But the comforting thought all that while was that they lived in a practically "no crime " area .(i know it may be hard to believe but in our 20 years being expatriates in this part of the world, and particularly in the area we have been living in, there has been no muggings , no car thefts , no robbery or burglary and no murders at all!)
I just received some good news! My company is willing to sponsor another 50k pounds when i told them my choices were very limited. So hopefully, 300k would make a difference in getting a small place in a nicer area? Was thinking perhaps Greenwich, Canary Wharf ,Wimbledon or Kensington or Fulham?
Appreciate all the great advice here as being away, have been out of touch!
I would recommend they go into halls for the first year: its very good socially. There is also pastoral care so an adult who is able to keep an eye out for problems etc.
Alternitively this would be quite handy. If they are studying and socialising in central London then they're already exposed to the risks of being there.
Crime in London even in bad areas is not that bad! Murder is still a very rare occurence in the UK, and is committed mainly by someone the victom knows.
I grew up in a "not nice" area of London and the only crime I suffered in about 20 years there was having my pocket picked once.
London does not have ghettos or enclaves, so crime exists in all areas. My DH suffered one attempted mugging (in his 20 years of working in London) on the Escalator's at City tube station, which is a pretty safe area of London.
For safety and acclimatisation and their own happiness I would strongly suggest you reconsider Halls of Residence. From there you could buy them a flat to share for their second year if you want. Or even buy it now and let it for the first year.
For students I wouldn't suggest any of: Greenwich, Canary Wharf, Wimbledon, or Fulham. Kensington is possible if they are at Imperial but your son's aren't. I don't think £300,000 is going to enable you to afford those areas anyway.
As I said above I could recommend some more ' suburban' places where you get more for your money, are closer to the tube, and could commute into uni eg further out on Piccadilly line or train line to Euston. None of the places you have mentioned are a very convenient commute to UCL or LSE and they would be unlikely to have student friends living nearby.
The social side of things is a major part of the university experience - I'd really recommend halls of residence for the first year.
I am so grateful for such interesting insights here....
CelticPromise- would really appreciate your suggestions for me to look into. PM me pls.
Mummytime-i like your suggestion of buying now as an investment and to let them stay in 2nd year! Thats a great idea!
I would agree with mummytime's suggestion of buying now (because prices will almost certainly increase by next year), but letting out for the first year so they can stay in halls. I think most students only stay in halls for the first year, but it's a useful experience for socialising.
I don't think you can realistically avoid crime in any area of London, but that is the nature of a big city. There are certainly areas where I would feel less safe (and they do tend to be the cheaper areas), but that's just a matter of being more vigilant and streetwise.
The place MinesAPintOfTea linked to looks reasonable - think it is ex-council which is the sort of place I mentioned earlier. They tend to be cheaper than other homes in the same area, because many buyers won't like the idea of living on a council estate (but there are other issues you have to be aware of such as leaseholder charges).
I have friends who went to ucl and central halls were great! Very jealous of them living so central.
Saying that ucl is nr the mainline stations mentioned above but has a few tube stations nearby as well - warren st and Easton sq.. Victoria, northern, circle/ district ... Also one could walk up from Tottenham CRT road on the central line.
It also doesn't ave to be north I guess - stockwell, oval etc connect well from the south. Also buses can be v good from the north - stoke newington has great bus routes but no tube!
How is property in the Docklands area and Isle of Dogs for transport into central London?
And is it relatively safe ?
Property prices seem reasonable here but not too sure whether it has peaked.
Would appreciate some opinions here. Tq
I wouldnt mind a longish walk so long as I only had it at one end of the journey. A long walk, followed by a tube, followed by another long walk might be a bit much.
As its for for older dc, I'd also question if its a walk you'd like them doing at night.
I think a 20 min walk is reasonable.
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