If main bathroom of house was 6ft 6 x 5 ft 4 but you had a separate loo

(56 Posts)
TKKW Mon 26-Aug-13 16:57:23

My DH and I are considering our options about having our main bathroom split into two. I am desperate to have a second loo. Even with just my DH, me and our toddler, its a nuisance having to hold in or go to the loo when someone is showering.

We have a 1930s house, its the smaller scale, 2 double bed/ box room with space for literally a single bed type, so small.

The boiler is newly installed under the stairs so we could have a double oven unit and a larger kitchen. So really there is no place for the loo to go downstairs.

If we did divide the one bathroom we have, we would have a teeny tiny separate loo room right beside the " main" bathroom.

The "main" bathroom would end up as 6 ft 6 x 5ft 4!!

The main bathroom would have a 1200mm bath with a shower over bath, as big as we can handbasin as sometimes i wash hair in ours, radiator hung upright and a loo.

It would look roughly like this except a touch smaller and our radiator would be at the left of the wash hand basin. Obviously we would have nicer tiling and and not gold coloured towels!


The loo room would have to have concertina or a narrower than standard outward opening door and one of those loos with the handbasin attached like so:


Both rooms would have windows.

Have not had a builder in yet as we are at the seriously considering stage but we have a fair idea of costs - Im guessing around £8-9k.

What do you think - would it be crazy to do this?

Pannacotta Mon 26-Aug-13 17:09:41

Doesn't sound ideal, a lot of money to spend to end up with a cramped bathroom.
COuld you squeeze a loo in the boiler cupboard downstairs?

BrownSauceSandwich Mon 26-Aug-13 17:16:31

Is a 1200mm bath even long enough to stretch your legs out in? Could you not have a 1500 mm bath ( shower above) along the shorter wall, with room for loo and sink side by side?

TKKW Mon 26-Aug-13 17:18:19

My DH really doesnt think there would be room as the under the stairs cupboard was very small anyway and the boiler is huge. The electric breaker boards and new electrical switches for the heat and water are housed there.

I was just thinking that we will need to change the bathroom soon anyway as the last owners installed themselves to up date for a sale and its a terrible leaky installation with a huge gap between bathtub and tiling so the sealant needs to be ripped off and replaced every 9-12 months as water looks as though it may go behind it.

We were thinking a new bathroom may be about £5k.

TKKW Mon 26-Aug-13 17:19:49

My DH thinks both loos need to be on the same wall due to waste pipe reasons.

We could have a 1500mm if a basin slightly over hung bath i suppose?

RandomMess Mon 26-Aug-13 17:21:43

I would actually just have a seperate loo and bathroom rather than squish an extra loo in the bathroom.

MortifiedAdams Mon 26-Aug-13 17:21:48

Any room spare in the yard/garden? Could you add a rear porch type building, half for dryer, washing machine etc, plus a loo?

TheGirlFromIpanema Mon 26-Aug-13 17:23:28

I think you would be crazy to do that and I speak as someone who has a tiny bathroom with a separate toilet so I can understand the appeal.

BUT £8-9k shock

You may still have the problem that flushing when someone else is showering means they get burnt/frozen by the water so we wait most of the time anyway iyswim.

Plus tiny bathrooms put off buyers, I bought my house for a steal for this very reason, so consider it very carefully!

nextphase Mon 26-Aug-13 17:36:13

The bathroom pic looks OK.
Please DO NOT consider taking the toilet out of the main bathroom, or the sink out of the separate toilet. Those are my pet hates.

I'd agree with looking again downstairs. Would be a better balance if you can.

lalalonglegs Mon 26-Aug-13 17:47:50

Can you go into your loft and put an extra bedroom and bathroom up there (most 1930s accommodate the staircases quite well)? It might not be something you can afford immediately but worth considering as a long-term project - much better use of money than £9k for a tiny bathroom and loo.

NoComet Mon 26-Aug-13 17:50:06

Our main bathroom with loo is just bigger than that, 6ft by about 5'8" (I can just touch the walls one way and just not the other). It's just workable (the door opens outwards).

As for holding on for the loo when showering, why would you worry unless you have lots of house guests.

TKKW Mon 26-Aug-13 17:52:22

Please dont think Im being defensive but:

I dont think there would be a problem with flushing and showers as when Im on the loo for a wee and DH is in shower or vice/versa, I notice nothing.

It would be two loos and two hand sinks for sure, that's the whole point.

No room at the rear as a conservatory already there. An extension would be much more than 8-9k.

The whole house is small however, its on a tree lined avenue, in a fantastic primary school catchment, on the "right" side of town (i think), has a 110 ft garden and off street parking at front. I love the house and we dont want to move.

Really dont think there is any room for under the stairs due to the boiler/ break boards etc.

Argh! I need a second toilet.

TheGirlFromIpanema Mon 26-Aug-13 18:10:42

oh ok I understand and sounds like you have 'proper' plumbing so ignore me on the flushing thing grin

A small toilet, next door to the main bathroom.

If it suits you then it suits you, but as I said think about selling as this sort of quirk is what puts buyers off ime.

I bought my house for lots of £ less than others on the street due to the teeny tiny bathroom.

Pannacotta Mon 26-Aug-13 18:26:19

Have you asked a plumber to look at the possibility of fitting a loo in the understairs cupboard before you write it off?
You can have a loo in the same room as fuse boards if they are boxed in with access.
You could get a very small loo and basin, and even moving the boiler a bit to accommodate a loo is probably cheaper than your suggestion.
I would check this out fully before making any decisions. small and cramped bathrooms are not very nice to use.

Bumblequeen Mon 26-Aug-13 19:00:07

£8-9k is alot of money to place a tiny toilet next door to a tiny bathroom.

I would keep the bathroom as it is.

We have a tiny bathroom and no downstairs wc. To make matters worse we cannot open the door outwards as it would be a hazard as too close to stairs.

We cope and there are three of us. We had a family of four stay with us recently and there were no issues.

RandomMess Mon 26-Aug-13 19:00:15

Could you take a little bit of room off the existing bathroom to create a compact en-suite in the bedroom next to it? So you end up with an ok sized bathroom and a 2nd toilet?

TKKW Mon 26-Aug-13 19:02:51

We have just measured the boiler and as the roof of the cupboard is so low, it will not allow access to the boiler front if it is placed at the end of the cupboard and the same if the toilet was placed at the end.

Therefore would be able to access one but not the other.

RandomMess Mon 26-Aug-13 19:05:38

En-suite idea work?

I think you can get away with a smaller family bathroom if you have an en-suite...

Got any floor plans?

RandomMess Mon 26-Aug-13 19:06:10

Other option is whether you can build a porch and have a WC in there?

TKKW Mon 26-Aug-13 19:08:58

thanks people, I think DH may be upstairs measuring.

Dont think any floor plans as we've been in house 2.75 years so digital marketing material long gone from websites.

I totally understand your need for a second loo but that does sound too cramped. I couldn't cope with a tiny bath either. and that's really expensive for what you would gain.

sorting your current bath problem should be way less than £1k so probs that does not justify the rest of the expenditure

leeloo1 Mon 26-Aug-13 19:53:09

I can see the appeal of a 2nd toilet, but would ask how much do you use the bath before you decide to get a small one.

We have a small bath (~1400) with shower over and whilst 99.9% of the time we use the shower and its not a problem, its really frustrating not to be able to have a decent bath when we want one - I'm not that tall and I can't get my knees/shoulders/back under the water at the same time. And now I'm heavily pregnant and really wanted a bath to ease aches and pains the other day - I nearly cried when I couldn't get more that a third of my bump under the water. sad

My husband who is 6'4 can't fit in it at all (helpful when the shower broke a few weeks ago) and my 4 year old now fills it when he lies flat to have his hair washed, so it may soon be too small for him to comfortably bath too.

If you want to go for this plan I'd suggest you go to a bath store and test a super small bath and see how you get on.

TKKW Mon 26-Aug-13 19:55:37

Dh has considered (how does he know all this stuff?) the ensuite loo in biggest bedroom and tells me that again, its the waste pipe problem and that without major disruption, the toilets need to be be on the same wall.

To have an ensuite toilet in our room, the waste pipe would need to go to the room below and then under the flooring down stairs and out to the mains.

Im totally stuck aren't i?

Will a 3 bed semi sell with only one bathroom? its been modernised and everything!

MummytoMog Mon 26-Aug-13 19:57:21

I have one of those 1930s houses and it drives me mad that some bright spark combined the originally divided bathroom and loo. We have exactly the problem you describe, and it's a bleeding nightmare. With toddlers though, we really needed a downstairs loo, not a second one upstairs. We're going out to the side to create a bigger kitchen and utility, although this does mean losing the garage. I second the loft conversion idea though. Going up into the loft has (nearly) given us a big bedroom and a large en suite. About £35k all in, so much more than your budget, but really does add to the value of the house. Quite quick as well.

RandomMess Mon 26-Aug-13 20:02:11

If the second room is still a decent double no reason why you can't have it in there, like I said pinch a bit off the bathroom as you planned.

Or as I said, have a seperate but only WC next to the bathroom. We had a 3 bed house like that and it was never ever an issue.

TKKW Mon 26-Aug-13 20:11:04

Random, the bedroom is on a different wall to the wall where the loo is. The bathtub and bedroom are on one wall and the toilet and landing on another.
So to have ensuite loo- would have to go under floor beneath. Need a high enough slope which the bedroom wont give us - hope that makes sense.

RandomMess Mon 26-Aug-13 20:16:44

Or you get a macerator aka shit shredder...

We had to get one to put the WC in our porch. Erm 8 years on and still going strong!

TKKW Mon 26-Aug-13 20:17:29

Random - you're funny!!!

PolterGoose Mon 26-Aug-13 20:22:49

I really can't see any advantage for a family to have 2 toilets upstairs in a small family house and people buying period properties are less likely to expect the numerous toilets provided by new builds. A downstairs cloakroom is worth fitting in if you can, but if you can't then I'd say spend the money on a holiday smile

CatAmongThePigeons Mon 26-Aug-13 20:24:58

I wouldnt. A small bath would put me off a house because we are all tall and it would be too cramped.
Our house seems to have a similar layout to yours (before it was extended by previous owners) and I would say a downstairs loo would be much better.

We have an en suite with a seperate soil pipe.

If you are planning to live there for at least 10-15 years and you like the idea go ahead.
BUt - I think you will decrease the value of your property - an issue when you plan to sell unless you put it all back into one room again.
Some kind of ensuite sounds best option.

It sounds like you have a big garden. have you thought of building an out building for the toilet. Can such an out building easily be attached to your drains? Or would you have to use an alternative means of waste disposal?

Mrsladybirdface Mon 26-Aug-13 20:27:58

I can understand the need for a second toilet! We have a bungalow and small bathroom. We are about to block in our front door and using the hall way space to fit in a second toilet/hoover/coats storage cupboard....I can't wait!! We could knock through to have a much larger bathroom, but for me the extra loo is more important.

I'd check your quotes we just had an extension for 7k!

TKKW Mon 26-Aug-13 20:34:19

Poolter, thats exactly what my DH and Father IL think - its a smaller scale 1930s semi with no garage, so they say 'cos we bought it as we loved the whole feel of the house and others will too.

Walking down my street does make me v. happy.

Thanks Mrs Tara. What a nightmare returning it back would be!

No sure how it work accessing the sceptic tank and whether LA would allow that? We have a very narrow gateway to the rear, so not sure how it would be cleared?

Ooh, darn it- why did I want a bigger kitchen. If I had a 2mx 2m kitchen, I could have had a loo downstairs!

Floggingmolly Mon 26-Aug-13 20:34:47

£8k for a little tiny toilet room? Just leave the main bathroom door open when you're having a shower, do you really need to lock yourself away when there's only you, your dh and a baby in the house? confused

pooka Mon 26-Aug-13 20:35:40

2 upstairs loos would not IMO add any value to the house. I would be it off by a short bath. When we did the loft conversion here the original bathroom became the stair way. It was tiny! About 6 foot long (bath along this wall) with tiny sink and loo on the short wall next to the width of the bath. I grew up with it, but as a parent with dcs it made bathing the kids en masse tricky and hard to find floor space for drying and so on. One of the existing first floor bedrooms became a big bathroom.

A downstairs loo infinitely preferable.

We converted our cellar to a utility room with a loo. And even that was a pain in the arse for potty training - still stairs to deal with. it has a saniflo macerator which deals with loo and washing machine waste, needed because is below ground level obviously. Haven't had any particular problems with it apart from when a decorator poured white spirit down the utility sink which messed up the seals in the waste unit.

TKKW Mon 26-Aug-13 20:38:22

its a galley kitchen so actually 1.75 on each side or thereabouts but with a hob, a 1.5 basin sink and an oven off that= no workspace.

TKKW Mon 26-Aug-13 20:40:47

Thanks for the replies, really useful.

Flogging - that was just a speculative figure as I was thinking how much a bathroom refit would cost, say around 4-5k and then add a bit extra for additional plumbing etc, maybe 3k but I think Im overestimating.

Xmasbaby11 Mon 26-Aug-13 22:34:05

I cannot see the point of 2 loos on the same floor like that. Why can't you use the loo when someone is in the shower? Honestly, how often would you actually use it?

I guess it's just a case of different habits, but I just see the point, especially for all that money.

Mandy21 Mon 26-Aug-13 23:05:13

I cant see any advantage to a small bathroom with a separate loo next door - that layout would just strike me as odd. I certainly wouldnt be spending £8-9k on it.

We're in a 1930s semi and we have a toilet and tiny hand basin under the stairs. It is miniscule but we have just enough head height for an adult male to stand up and do what they need to do. The electricity meter is in there, and the door opens outwards into the hall. Its worth its weight in gold with children / visitors as the upstairs can be a tip

I'd get a builder to have a look and see if there is any way you can explore this.

TKKW Mon 26-Aug-13 23:45:49

hi thanks mandy. our under stairs opens directly onto kitchen and also has boiler as well as the things you described. really dont think there will be room but we do have plumber coming fri to install new radiator so will ask then.also think i may ask an estate agent. i really dont know if 8k is over estimating.i think it mighy be les.sorry for lack punctuation.on phone

TKKW Mon 26-Aug-13 23:48:10

when we have guests there is always a loo queue/teeth brush queue-we must be strange!

noddyholder Tue 27-Aug-13 07:35:12

I wouldn't How often does the situation occur that you need to use the loo when someone showers? We have one bathroom ATM and we just shout to each ther anyone need the loo before I shower kind of thing. Folding door and small bath would put off buyers if you ever sell.

TKKW Tue 27-Aug-13 08:19:37

The queues for toilet/brushing teeth occur about one weekend every 6 weeks when we have family or friends staying over.

Day to day, DH and I often need to go to the toilet at the same time, maybe two times a week. Really, it does happen that often.

So, it is an issue for us. Ive just realised we could get a 27 inch/68 cm narrower than standard door for the loo room.

noddyholder Tue 27-Aug-13 11:48:37

WHy can't one of you wait 2 mins rather than spend 9k?

TKKW Tue 27-Aug-13 12:01:44

we could noddy but its very unpleasant. why do modern houses have a downstairs loo, an en suite and a family bathroom?

it probably wont be 9k, more like 7k and we want a new bathroom anyway.

noddyholder Tue 27-Aug-13 12:02:52

Oh ok you need to suit your own life really.

noddyholder Tue 27-Aug-13 12:04:33

I think big modern houses do have all that but so do small ones and its not really necessary. I always put a downstairs loo in developments if I can but most people want the biggest bathroom they can have. You can get slim doors and smaller loos and also half doors work well with limited space. Could your biggest bedroom have a mini en suite?

TKKW Tue 27-Aug-13 12:07:58

Thanks noddy. Unfortunatley no- waste pipe wont have a big enough slope to take it away and the biggest room really can only take an Ikea kingsize but fortunately we have about 6 built in wardrobes.

Bonsoir Tue 27-Aug-13 12:08:48

Why don't you just separate the loo from the bathroom? I don't think you have enough space to accommodate a loo in the bathroom as well as a separate loo.

TKKW Tue 27-Aug-13 12:10:57

Thanks bonsoir but our requirement is x2 toilets + x2 handbasins.

Would a 1 toilet family home sell well these days?

Im becoming a bit obsessed!

Bonsoir Tue 27-Aug-13 12:13:38

Your requirement and your resources (space) are, however, incompatible!

noddyholder Tue 27-Aug-13 12:15:51

I think one toilet is preferable in a big bathroom rather than a tiny bath. If its not about selling suit yourselves if it is I think its fine esp if 3rd bedroom is tiny.

TKKW Tue 27-Aug-13 12:22:47

im crying into my tea bonsoir! i want a 2nd toilet and had hoped we could just about get away with it!

Bonsoir Tue 27-Aug-13 12:29:22

We have more than one loo but DD, DP and I always choose the same one - it's the most comfortable one. We rarely have to queue. But we don't have any loos in any bathrooms - the very idea repels me...

TooMuchRain Tue 27-Aug-13 12:49:24

If you're not planning on moving then I would say go for it - but if you are thinking of selling in the next few years then I would say no, the bathroom and toilet are just going to be too small and it could put buyers off.

primallass Tue 27-Aug-13 14:10:53

Why don't you do a sketch with measurements listed and see what the MN wisdom can come up with?

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