Lack of 2nd loo affecting sale!

(44 Posts)
WireCatWhore Tue 07-May-13 17:23:35

4 bed mid terrace.
1 bathroom.
5 of us in the house. Another loo has never been an issuer/crossed my mind.
Been here nearly 13 years.

Nowadays people expect downstairs loos & an en suite as well as a family bathroom.

I am doomed not to sell.

Would you buy a house with only 1 bathroom? cries

kelda Tue 07-May-13 17:25:37

How easy would it be to put in a second toilet?

C0smos Tue 07-May-13 17:31:26

It would put me off a bit yes, in theory then that's 5 or 6 adults sharing 1 toilet which in is in the bathroom eek I'd be standing in a permanent queue for the loo.

chattychattyboomba Tue 07-May-13 17:32:07

I would expect a family house to have more than one bathroom/toilet.
Our 3 bed has an ensuite off master and a family/guest bathroom but i would ideally like a downstairs loo for guests as my grandmother is 81 and struggles with the stairs, also with a toddler, toilet training is not easy when you have to get upstairs to use the loo (we prefer normal toilet to potty as she treats it as a toy) plus guests would have to pass DD's room up 2 flights of stairs to use the toilet- not a massive deal but can see why some people would expect an extra loo for a 4 or 5 bed family home.

StiffyByng Tue 07-May-13 17:36:31

I wouldn't want just one loo, particularly if that loo was in a bathroom. It was pretty much a necessity when we were looking.

Alwayscheerful Tue 07-May-13 17:36:43

Yes an extra bathroom, ensuite is a very popular improvement. To be honest if you have an understairs cupboard or similar,I would intall another loo downstairs now and if there is an obvious/inexpensive way to create an en-suite then I would point it out on viewings to give some food for thought.

ImpatientOne Tue 07-May-13 17:37:07

Our home is similar - 4 bed mid terrace - with family bathroom upstairs but there is a downstairs loo.

For me it's a huge issue, partly as I have close relatives who struggle with stairs and also as an emetophobe there has to be a separate toilet in case of sickness.

There are only 2 of us in the house so not as if a big family! My parents have downsized to a bungalow but are putting in a separate toilet within their revamp.

Don't forget that it is in building regs now for 3 bed houses to have a downstairs (or entry level) WC so it is more expected by buyers especially if they have also viewed newer properties.

Is there anyway to put one in at least?

ILikeBirds Tue 07-May-13 17:45:29

I'd buy a house without a second loo. Wasn't on our requirements at all. In fact places that had created en-suites at the expense of extra space were quickly struck off. The only places we viewed with downstairs loos were new builds where they're a requirement. Seeing as they were about half the size of everywhere else a downstairs toilet wasn't really a selling point.

forevergreek Tue 07-May-13 17:45:55

Can you put one in under the stairs?

We live in a one bed flat, yet we have an en suite and main bathroom ( one shower, one bath). So yes I would except in a 4 bed

WireCatWhore Tue 07-May-13 17:46:17

The new buyers could put one in.
They would have to put it under the stairs or build a porch.
The houses in my bit of the street all only have an upstairs bathroom. 2 people had added an extra loo.

I didn't know it was building regs nowadays to have a downstairs loo!

This house was built in 1976.

I'm not going to get one installed tbh unless the house really doesn't sell after 6 months or so.

WireCatWhore Tue 07-May-13 17:48:03

Another thing I forgot to add...well just remembered.

We are house hunting.

All these extra bathrooms seem to be at the expense of bedroom sizes!

The house we like has a family bathroom upstairs. It does have a downstairs loo. All the houses with en suites have had bedrooms that a too small!

Karbea Tue 07-May-13 17:48:16

I think in a 4 bed house most people would definitely want a d/s loo and an en suite.

You could always get plans and estimates rather than doing the work yourself.

pooka Tue 07-May-13 17:49:45

Our house only had one loo, in the upstairs bathroom, when we bought it. It was fine when I was growing up (same house), as one of a family of 5. But nowadays - seems different.

We now have loo in the utility in the basement (we installed) and in first floor bathroom and in our bathroom in the converted loft.

Even having the loo in the cellar is a pain sometimes - am potty training dc3 and don't really want rushing down the stairs.

WireCatWhore Tue 07-May-13 17:54:42

Potty trained all 3 of mine with just the upstairs loo.

I guess you don't miss what you don't have!

TooMuchRain Tue 07-May-13 17:57:30

We are looking for a house and 2 bathrooms (or space and money to put one in) is on the essential list, I think they are fairly standard in 3+ bed houses now, even older ones.

AvonCallingBarksdale Tue 07-May-13 17:59:58

We only have one loo, although it's separate from the bathroom. Ideally we'd put one in downstairs, but can't afford to at the mo. I think properties are priced accordingly, so it may be that it will affect your sale unless you drop your asking price. Which would cost you less - dropping the asking price, or putting in a loo?

mumblechum1 Tue 07-May-13 18:01:28

I think for a four bedroomed house you'd definitely expect more than one loo.

(I have a one loo for each bum in the house rule grin)

BackforGood Tue 07-May-13 18:03:20

I think it's certainly an asset to have a downstairs toilet - more so than an en-suite. I think you are right about what you've not had you've never missed, but equally that comes with, once you've had one, you'd never go back! smile

WorrySighWorrySigh Tue 07-May-13 18:04:57

karbea's suggestion of getting plans/cost estimates is a good one. IME people think in terms of round thousands when looking at work which needs doing. If you can show that it wouldnt be too expensive then that might help people to see it as possible.

Also, clear out the understairs area so that the size of the space can be seen. People arent going to be able to visualise a downstairs loo if mentally they are trying to squeeze it in between the hoover and the national welly collection.

WireCatWhore Tue 07-May-13 18:10:33

I think I'll sort out plans/estimate for downstairs loo.

Estate agent just called.

Parking is also putting people off.

Fuckers across the way have 4 cars. 3 hardly driven & none parked in or by their garage.

Bugger. Fuck.

StiffyByng Tue 07-May-13 19:17:34

That's very annoying. We were fuming when told that a disabled parking space outside our house would have to go through full planning permission when the guy opposite had had a huge mobile home on bricks out on the street for over five years taking up three parking spaces with absolutely no need for permission at all.

We would have liked an en-suite but compromises have to be made. We've just installed a shower downstairs in our utility room which is great, and something we were prepared to do. But so many houses here have downstairs loos (Victorian houses-loo under the stairs/back extensions) that the ones that didn't stood out. A costed estimate for installing one would have reconciled me slightly to the lack of one if I loved the house otherwise.

moondog Tue 07-May-13 19:22:33

Really Stiffy?
But it wasn't roadworthy if on bricks\/

StiffyByng Tue 07-May-13 19:25:34

I know. But he had big signs on his window saying that he was sick of being reported to the council, that he was appropriately taxed and there was no reason why it shouldn't be there. So I never got round to finding out if that was true.

moondog Tue 07-May-13 19:27:01

God, that would have infuriated me.
I would have been onto the council in a second. grin
I always feel sorry for people living where their light and views are ruined by some idiot's caravan/campervan. So selfish.

StiffyByng Tue 07-May-13 19:38:47

I always meant to find out but there were always more pressing issues, and the council is a nightmare of misinformation anyway. Now we have a driveway. Bliss. smile

escape Tue 07-May-13 19:44:44

Slightly off topics, but regarding new builds, ridiculous lack of space to claim there is X amount of bedrooms/baths/ensuites on the spec. 4 bedrooms, yup - and only one big enough to sleep in usually

WireCatWhore Tue 07-May-13 19:56:27

Escape, tell me about it.
Who wants a 6ft by 7ft 4th bedroom.

Just spoken to dh re downstairs loo. He says to get quotes & maybe we will do it.

Also have fired off email to estate agent regarding parking. As there isn't any problems on the whole. It was unusually busy last week mind! If buyers came now, there would be no problems!

WorrySighWorrySigh Tue 07-May-13 20:01:36

WireCat do you already have off-road parking of any sort? Do you have a dropped kerb? If parking is an issue do you have a front garden you can sacrifice with the appropriate dropped kerb? For a small number of hundreds we have been able to create an extra parking space using this and this (I dont work for either by the way!).

DH was able to do the work in a couple of days.

Restorer Tue 07-May-13 20:19:50

When we were looking for this house, a downstairs loo was an necessity and I wouldn't have considered anywhere without decent parking either. I was much less bothered about an ensuite/second bath/shower room and certainly wouldn't have sacrificed bedroom space for it. I must be in a minority though, because houses very similar to this, but with that extra (tiny) shower room sell for considerably more.

TSSDNCOP Tue 07-May-13 20:30:26

I would look at the understairs as an option.

You'll be amazed what a really good plumber can do. I have a friend that's managed to put a bloody wet room into hers!

ImpatientOne Tue 07-May-13 20:43:33

Escape and Wire I completely agree with you on new builds - I work in housing (for people with disabilities) and I really struggle with the new build concept of 3 WCs/ensuites/bathrooms non of which are big enough and bedrooms that you can only just get in to sleep.

I have far too much stuff to have a new build!

I think getting the estimates is a good idea as the people tempted by newer houses may be put off at the thought of having work done huge generalisation

With regards parking any serious buyer would drive by at different times of the day and week to really guage what goes on wouldn't they - or is that just my family? blush

didireallysaythat Tue 07-May-13 21:25:13

If I was looking at a 1980s or later house, I guess I would be surprised if it didn't have two loos.

I'd also be surprised if it had any character or a decently sized garden.

But that's just the snob in me coming out. I'd happily swap an en suite for a 200 foot garden. Sigh.....

Startail Tue 07-May-13 21:35:30

No downstairs loo would put me off and so would an ensuite unless the master bedroom was huge.

Not a shower everyday kind of family, but it is horrible having to cross your legs while you DDad takes up residence.

vez123 Tue 07-May-13 21:57:38

Reading this with interest. How would they fit the waste? We have a 3 bed terrace and I am puzzled where to put the waste..

morethanpotatoprints Tue 07-May-13 22:01:19

I think these days it is acceptable to have 2 toilets each separate from the bathroom. I don't think en suites are essential at all.
Seems strange that not so many years ago it was a tin bath in front of the fire and an outside privvy.

For me, 2nd toilet essential. Couldn't care less about en-suite. Parking nice but not essential, I've always lived in urban areas and never had such a luxury.

chattychattyboomba Tue 07-May-13 22:19:36

Just want to add- in our last house where the only bathroom was on the ground floor and bedrooms upstairs i cursed it- being where i spent my pregnancy- waddling downstairs all bleary eyed in the wee hours (excuse the pun) every time i needed a wee (which as we all know is often). In that case i definitely missed what i didn't have and i now love love LOVE having an ensuite.

mamapants Tue 07-May-13 22:32:15

Don't understand obsession with many bathrooms and ensuites. Its just more cleaning isn't it.
I grew up in a house with one downstairs bathroom only, the first house I bought has one downstairs bathroom and my new house has one downstairs bathroom and there is no way I'm making any other rooms smaller for more bathrooms.
It always surprises me when people make an issue of it I've never found it at all annoying.

I have 3 children, and for our family of five I would definitely want 2 toilets. They are often both occupied in our current 3 bed home.
However, personally I wouldn't want loads of toilets and ensuites - i already clean 2 toilets every day and would not want to do more.
For me I think one bathroom is enough and I'd rather have more cupboard space than an ensuite - in a family home.
Different in a home for a group of adult house-sharers.

cece Wed 08-May-13 00:00:52

I have 4 toilets and it is definitely too much cleaning wise.

wonderingagain Wed 08-May-13 00:03:50

We have one bathroom but 2 sinks so we can brush teeth together etc. It only takes a minute to have a piss, maybe 4 times a day? Most people are only on the loo for about 10 minutes a day. Sorry to be blunt but this bathroom excess is OTT IMO.

And newbuilds. They're having a laugh. Built for small children, maybe but no space for fully grown adults.

expatinscotland Wed 08-May-13 00:03:52

If I could avoid it, no, I wouldn't buy a house with only one bathroom or a family house with no off-street parking.

Mandy21 Wed 08-May-13 12:35:54

http://cloakrooms.net/cloakroom-suites/transforming-under-the-stairs-into-a-downstairs-cloakroom-suite/

I think its one of those things that if you've had a 2nd loo / downstairs cloakroom, you'd want one. If you haven't had one, its not really an issue. But I do tend to agree that if you're looking at 4 bedroomed houses, the expectation is that there should be one (whether you agree or not).

Just have a look at the link above - we have a downstairs loo literally in the understairs cupboard. The door opens outwards into the hall, the loo is at the highest end, then there is a tiny sink (with just cold water) on the opposite wall. Does the job. It was in when we bought it so don't know how much it cost, but I'd guess £200 for budget toilet / sink / taps and then you'd obviously have to pay a plumber. We re-tiled it, replaced the flooring and painted it for under £200 about 6 months ago.

WireCatWhore Wed 08-May-13 12:47:17

Thanks for the link Mandy.

There is off street parking. Outside our garage in the garage block less that a minutes walk from the house.

We live in a courtyard so no cars outside the houses at all.

My sister has 6 people in her 4 bed & 1 bathroom! And parking by hers is horrendous. She has no off street parking at all.

Thanks for all your replies, it's got me thinking. I do agree, a 2nd loo would be great. And all the homes I've viewed have had at least 2 loos. All houses with en suites have been ruled out so far a the bedrooms are too small!

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