want to look at the beautiful wood burner that I think dh has just agreed to, plus what do I need to know/think about?

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Very excited. the red one it is locally made and will look gorgeous.

jamaisjedors Mon 01-Apr-13 15:58:12

It's nice. What size logs does it take? (watch out for that before ordering your wood.)

Can you get self-cleaning glass in it? (or something similar - I find cleaning the glass on ours a pain, I do it with the ashes and some scrunched up newspaper.

Which room are you having it in?

Is it the multi fuel? Much better than just a wood burner unless you have your own forest and lots of elves to chop a constant supply of wood.
I have a multi fuel stove and burn a mix of logs and solid fuel. It has been lit none stop since October and has cost a fortune to feed. Mine also has a back boiler which supplements the oil central heating.
We have no gas though. Given the choice I would have gas. The novelty of stoves has worn off after 20 years of ash, soot and log hauling smile.

recall Mon 01-Apr-13 16:16:08

I agree with secret messy ! But gorgeous when its cold, we have one in our kitchen, and if I manage to keep it ticking over keeps the chill off the whole house. We keep it in over night, and the kitchen is all warmed through in the morning. It feels different to the central heating.

Something to consider is to have the log burner positioned out in the room rather than set inside an inglenook, then you will get your heat radiating into the room. Also consider having the flu exposed in the room, because you will get loads of heat off that too.

it is multi fuel, in the dining room of a victorian terrce house, only for fun we have central heating and the fire in the room has never worked since we moved here 5 years ago, the dining room is always cold and I want to sit at the table studying with a lovely fire going. I am very excited about the whole thing we have been wanting one for years.

jamaisjedors Mon 01-Apr-13 16:43:41

It will be lovely. We have one in the living room but it's at one end of the house and we don't use that room very much.

We nearly put one in the dining-room too but I put my foot down as I know that DH would insist on turning off the central heating and I don't want to have to light the fire every night after work.

It would be nice to sit and eat in the warm though, and for dinner parties etc. would be v. welcoming too.

You need a large, preferably covered area for the piles of logs, and a coal bunker for the solid fuel. Also sticks for kindling and firelighters.
Sorry but for a dining room in a Victorian terrace I would get a gas fire. Multi fuel stoves are fashionable but really not convenient to use.

MinimalistMommi Mon 01-Apr-13 17:26:46

We're have just bought a victorian terrace and we are putting in a woodburner this autumn. We can't wait! grin

I was planning to keep the wood and coal in the cellar, I also ddnt mention how much I love fires, dh bought me an outside chimenea for my birthday last year and I am always having lovely fires in the summer.

MinimalistMommi Mon 01-Apr-13 17:55:59

dita I think woodburners are so cosy that they're worth the work they take. We having one on top of our central heating too.

going tommorow to ask the guy to come and give us a quote, do think we are going to have to have the chimney lined though.

PigletJohn Mon 01-Apr-13 18:03:09

you need a good local chimneysweep. Try to find one by recommendation. Preferably get him to look at, comment on, and sweep your chimney before the stove arrives.

He will know who locally will do a good job of any repairs or modifications needed.

flow4 Mon 01-Apr-13 20:05:07

dita, my friends just bought this same stove - the black one not the red one tho - and are very pleased with it smile It seems very efficient, compared to the old stove they had replaced, and it's certainly lovely to sit in front of... I'm already planning one for the extension I'll build on the house I haven't bought yet! smile

thanks thats good to know, I like the idea of one made locally. I am going today to get a quote, the theory at the mmoment is if the chimney needs lining then we will probably have to get a cheaper stove but if it doesnt we can have that one. smile

flow4 Tue 02-Apr-13 08:52:50

Bear in mind that cheaper stoves are often less efficient, and that means they burn up less of the fuel and leave more residue... That in turn means getting less heat, and needing your chimney swept more often. It can be a bit of a false economy.

MinimalistMommi Tue 02-Apr-13 09:38:08

Flow I've read that about efficiency and the cheaper stoves, I'm planning on getting a ClearView Pioneer www.clearviewstoves.com/pioneeroven.htm
I don't think it is multi fuel though and I know that was mentioned up thread...

PigletJohn Tue 02-Apr-13 10:24:49

I would certainly go for a multifuel. You will get bored with sawing wood, or run out, and coal-type fuels contain a lot more heat per shovelfull than wood does (also burns hotter and cleaner) and last longer, so you will appreciate a stove that can burn it.

MinimalistMommi Tue 02-Apr-13 11:18:44

Thanks PigletJohn.
I wonder if Clearview does a small stove which is multifuel?

sleeplessbunny Tue 02-Apr-13 16:01:42

Chimney lining is a good idea for a stove, the more efficient the stove, the less heat ends up in the chimney and the more likely you are to end up with tar deposits, which could eventually cause a chimney fire. A liner keeps the flue warmer and reduces deposits. Please get it lined.

minimalist we have the clearview pioneer, it is fab. DH twisted my arm, it was pricey and i am normally miserly. But I am so glad he did. We have burned coal in it, but you have to be careful not to overheat it, coal can burn hotter. A temp gauge stuck onto the flue (you can get little magnetic ones) is a good idea, even for wood fires it helps me gauge when to adjust the vents.

If you have a woodshed in the garden you can order a year's supply of wood quite cheaply. We pay about £100 I think for the year (on average in winter we burn maybe 3 nights per week)

MinimalistMommi Tue 02-Apr-13 17:19:42

Sleep how big should my woodshed be? I need to fit one into my courtyard.

MinimalistMommi Tue 02-Apr-13 17:20:52

Sleep also where very approx are you? £100 for years supply sounds amazing. We're in the south west.

sleeplessbunny Tue 02-Apr-13 18:38:58

our woodshed is probably about 6'x6'. It takes 2 loads, I think it's about 1.5 cu m per load. (my maths might be dodgy)
We bought 2 loads 2 yrs ago and we're just getting to the end of it all now. We are in Gloucestershire, I think we paid about £80 per load from the Gloucestershire wildlife trust. Obviously it won't last as long if you use the stove every day, like I said we use ours on average about 3 evenings per week in the winter I reckon.

sleeplessbunny Tue 02-Apr-13 18:41:07
flow4 Tue 02-Apr-13 21:04:23

£100 for a year's supply is amazing value! Round here you'd pay that for a month or two's supply... sad

MinimalistMommi Tue 02-Apr-13 21:06:30

Where are approximately are you flow?

willyoulistentome Tue 02-Apr-13 21:13:28

We have ours on every single night in winter. Luckily we actually do live in a wood and dh spends his life wood chopping to keep us cosy. We dont buy logs.

willyoulistentome Tue 02-Apr-13 21:15:49

One tip. Make sure it draws well. Ours is a sod to light. We get a bit smoky till it gets hot and draws by itself. Apparently our flue is not high enough.

MavisGrind Tue 02-Apr-13 21:23:26

I'm always one to jump on a woodburner thread - I love mine!

As others have said, get a multi-fuel rather than a wood only burner and prepare to waste spend hours in front of it enjoying the cosiness grin

I spent about £50 per month on logs and light mine every evening. Mine (a Morso) is easy enough to light and once going looks after itself.

One thing I would say - will a red stove date at all? I did think of going down the colour stove route but decided trad black would wear much better. I paid £900 for my stove so will not be able to replace it ever often!

flow4 Tue 02-Apr-13 21:31:57

Yorkshire, MiniMom... But I have an open fire at the mo rather than a burner, which as other people have pointed out is much less efficient. sad

twooter Tue 02-Apr-13 22:50:20

Apparently if you blast a hot hair dryer up the chimney before you light it, it helps the draw and stops it being smoky when you first light it. ( getting one ourselves soon)

Ilovemydogandmydoglovesme Tue 02-Apr-13 23:11:21

I love my wood burner too. smile We chop a lot of our own wood too but I do buy some in just in case we run out.

Multi fuel is great and it's not much work at all really. Knock out the ash and if it's cold put it straight in the bin. Takes a couple of minutes to chuck some coal or smokeless fuel in, which looks like coal. Scrunch a good load of newspaper in, few bits of kindling, light, chuck a couple of logs on and sit back and enjoy. Throw another log on every hour or so and that's it really.

I would highly recommend Clearview glass though. We didn't have it and I wish we had, the glass gets very black. It does burn off eventually or you can scrub it off but Clearview saves you the bother. Apparently you can change the glass, think we might do that.

VerySmallSqueak Tue 02-Apr-13 23:25:00

Multi fuel is definitely worth it.

A woodburner isn't hard work unless you are using it as the only heat source.

I had to rely on just the woodburners for heat when the kids were babies.
We now live somewhere with heating and I've had a few years break from the relentlessness of it.
Now I have recovered (!) I would like to install a woodburner just for 'fun' as nothing beats it on the cosy factor.

You need to think about a good fire guard if you have DC's.
Also fire cleaning out kit - ideally a metal bucket,scruffy handbrush,coal shovel, coal tongs and a poker.A proper coal scuttle is good and a nice log basket.
You need to keep the logs away from the fire (it's a fire hazard to keep them too close)

flow4 Tue 02-Apr-13 23:30:31

I used to have a Raeburn... It was our only source of heating, hot water and heat for cooking shock... It was faulty and an obsolete model... Every time you opened its door to feed it coal, it bellowed black soot out all over the kitchen, coating everything (including any clean washing up) with a fine layer of black coal-dust. shock sad

I was soooooo relieved when they made our area smoke-free and gave grants for central heating and normal cookers!

I'd like a stove again, but as an 'extra', not what I rely on.

sleeplessbunny Wed 03-Apr-13 07:39:07

Everyone burning coal, can I be a nag and remind you that it is not exactly great for the environment. And your neighbours. Lots of people burn coal in our village and it stinks in winter. Please try to find a local wood supplier. Try going to a green/eco shop and asking around. It isn't difficult to use wood so long as it is completely dry.

MinimalistMommi Wed 03-Apr-13 07:59:00

Sleepless I'm so glad you said that, I actually didn't realise <thick emotion> and I am keen on buying my Clearview Pioneer which isn't multifuel!

flow4 Wed 03-Apr-13 09:24:28

Here are all the smoke control rules: smokecontrol.defra.gov.uk/ They're not exactly easy to follow, but you can search by specific stove/manufacturer's name.

PigletJohn Wed 03-Apr-13 09:41:15

I used to keep a few bags of smokeless fuel for mine. You do need a multufuel and preferably a "smoke eater" with secondary combustion.

They have an air inlet above the flame.

sleeplessbunny Wed 03-Apr-13 10:02:28

It's not just the smoke issue, coal takes millions of years to form, trees take decades to grow. Burning fossil fields is releasing millions of years worth of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere in a couple of hundred years.

<gets off soap box>

georgedawes Wed 03-Apr-13 10:43:31

We're getting a Charnwood, they're as good as Clearview but more stylish in my opinion

MinimalistMommi Wed 03-Apr-13 12:46:22

Link George?

PigletJohn why definitely a multifuel stove? I need to be convinced here grin

georgedawes Wed 03-Apr-13 13:06:05

Sorry on phone, but if you google charnwood sure it'll find it. They're British made and very high quality.

We were advised to go for multi fuel too, more options and coal does give off more heat. Also easier to find if you run out of wood.

willyoulistentome Wed 03-Apr-13 13:08:26

Twooter - we were told to heat the flue with a hairdryer by the folks we bought the house off. We gave that up very quickly as it used to shoot ash out all over the living room, even if we had cleaned it out beforehand.

PigletJohn Wed 03-Apr-13 13:17:33

multifuel because:

wood contains very little heat for its bulk, especially if softwood. Unless you are lucky enough to get dry, sawn hardwood logs, you will be constantly fetching more wood to keep it going. Eventually the novelty will wear off. It is unfair to assume someone else will want to do it.

You can put a modest amount of smokeless fuel on and it will last a long time and burn hotter. It's much easier.

Not so much wildlife will walk around your room without a log basket.

If you have a multifuel, you have the option to put coal or smokeless on if you want. With a woodburner, no choice.

Also consider having one that can heat the hot-water cylinder if you have one.

VerySmallSqueak Wed 03-Apr-13 14:27:57

Also,get a CO alarm if you haven't already got one.

georgedawes Wed 03-Apr-13 14:33:41

I wouldn't heat the water with it personally, pain in the ass.

ihatethecold Wed 03-Apr-13 14:36:03

How can i tell if I have just a log burner or a multi fuel?

I think it's just logs. That's all we have used but we didn't install it and there is no make or model to find out.

georgedawes Wed 03-Apr-13 14:39:24

Ask your sweep if he knows what make it is?

ihatethecold Wed 03-Apr-13 14:50:52

He came recently and didn't know the make or model. I didn't ask him about what fuel I can burn.

He won't be back for a year.

georgedawes Wed 03-Apr-13 16:02:14

Not sure then, sorry! Maybe call HETAS for advice?

PigletJohn Wed 03-Apr-13 16:03:27

maybe post a photo, someone might recognise it or be able to tell. Especially photo the air intakes and any controls. Does it have double glass in the door?

Presumably it has no markings on the cast iron anywhere?

How old do you think it is?

janek Wed 03-Apr-13 16:20:17

Does it have a slide-out plate underneath? Ours does, with all kinds of information on it. Also, afaik, a multifuel burner will have a grate for the ash to fall through (and maybe a seperate ash can for emptying?), a woodburner just has a flat bed of ash.

ihatethecold Wed 03-Apr-13 17:16:52

Definitely no double glass.
Underneath where I put the logs is a grate so the ashes can go into a pull out ash compartment.
There are no markings anywhere on the burner, I have checked because I need some spare parts for it.

janek Thu 04-Apr-13 18:07:38

I reckon it's multi fuel then. Ours doesn't have a grate and is just a woodburner. It can be turned into a multifuel one though, i magine they just add a grate...

Cezzy Thu 04-Apr-13 18:12:52

We are moving and I am so going to miss ours, but make sure it's installed by a HETAS installer and you get a certificate, or you get building regs approval as you could have problems later (we have just had hassle sorting this out as it can't be done retrospectively and building regs can get funny). We have also been advised that if you don't have these it can invalidate your house insurance.

MinimalistMommi Thu 04-Apr-13 18:26:56

Cezzy can I just check with you, is it an either/or thing? Either maker sure its installed by a HETAS installer and get a certificate OR make sure you get building regs? Am I right in understanding you don't need both of those things?

Cezzy Thu 04-Apr-13 19:35:31

Yes, that's what we were told. We installed ours ourselves as DH is good at that sort of thing so we should have had building regs. Lots of friends of ours have done he same, so you can do either/or. The company you buy from should also be able to advise you. You should also have a carbon monoxide alarm fitted (ours was about £20 from a local DIY store).

its is a hetas fitter, and he gets it signed off as well I think.

PigletJohn Fri 05-Apr-13 10:06:32

I don't know about fitting stoves, but for notifiable electrical work, it is generally much more expensive and troublesome to apply for Building Regs approval and pay for the inspection, than to have the work done and certificated by a member of a Competent Persons scheme who is qualified to issue the certificate and notify.

MinimalistMommi Fri 05-Apr-13 12:14:43

We will definitely have ours installed by a HETAS installer and get the certificate.

I have chosen reclaimed stone hearth and brick back, they said if the brick wasnt in good nick they would render it, cant decide whether to have a mantle or not.

MinimalistMommi Fri 05-Apr-13 17:26:38

I guess you need to think what would go best with the rest of your decor? Have you got a modern house or a more tradtional house? Have you tried looking on somewhere like Pinterest for inspiration? A swell as searching 'wood burner' try searching 'cottage' as loads of images will come up of cottage living rooms with different styles of woodburners.

MinimalistMommi Fri 05-Apr-13 17:29:12

I'm personally going for a lovely wooden mantle, but I live in a tiny Victorian terraced cottage so I think it will suit the room as they decor will be cottage style (not twee!) but modern too if that makes sense.

definatly not moder, victorian terrace and done in dark colours and chandeliers type decor.

PigletJohn Fri 05-Apr-13 17:43:05

if not, where will you put your china dogs and christmas stockings?

It also prevents dust-staining on the wall above.

No mirror, though.

MinimalistMommi Fri 05-Apr-13 17:48:54

dita I might have got confused with the terms, I'm having a bit of wood actually put into the wall above the woodburner, so I won't be able to put anything on it. Here's a pic, scroll down until you cute woodburner! www.cottage-holiday-wales.co.uk/fro-crickhowell-cottage.shtml

I think it will have that, but he said I could have a sticky out one as well.

MinimalistMommi Fri 05-Apr-13 17:52:27

grin how soon will your woodburner be happening?

apparently they have a cancelation for next week, so it could possibly be happening very soon (assuming I can get a credit card in that time frame I have no idea how long that will take)

WEdnesday, I am getting it on wednesday, reclaimed stone hearth, brick back adn beautiful red stove. in 3 days grin just been out with the dogs and collected loads of wood.

notasausage Sat 06-Apr-13 15:58:56

Get a flue thermometer. We have a stovax one from Amazon. They fit with a magnet to the little bit of exposed flue above the stove and tell you whether it is operating at the right temperature. Too hot and you can damage your stove (our glass has bubbled where it got too hot) too cold and you're not burning your fuel efficiently. Needs some practice to get it the control right but it will help you maintain your stove and they're expensive items so worth looking after.

We have a Woodwarm which are handmade in the UK and very highly recommended by several installers (and our chimney sweep).

Multi fuel stoves need an air inlet below the grate for burning smokeless fuel. We were advised not to put coal on ours because it burns hotter and more explosively than smokeless. The top air inlet should be closed. For wood, the bottom inlet should be closed (except maybe a little blast to get it going) and the air should come in from the top.

If you're room is small it will get VERY hot so you'll be leaving the room door open. Make sure you get good advice about the size you buy - its as much about the size of the space you're heating as about the size of the space you have to put it in.

Enjoy being toasty!

MinimalistMommi Sat 06-Apr-13 18:00:15

notasausage we have two small reception rooms in our Victorian terraced cottage, we're thinking Of getting a 5 kW stove in the front room, I'm hoping if we leave the door open the heat should travel through to the dining room so the front room doesn't get stupidly hot.....

MinimalistMommi Sat 06-Apr-13 18:01:06

dita you said about collecting wood make sure you put seasoned wood in your new stove so it burns properly.

minimilist sounds like a similar lay out to mine, the wood was off the floor an only for kindling. smile

MinimalistMommi Sat 06-Apr-13 18:31:22

dita I don't really know what I'm talking about grin
Your stove sounds lovely, did you get a 5kw one and is it in your front room?

he he, yes it is a 5kw, it is going to be in the dining room, layout is outshot kitchen, dining room then lounge at the front but quite small so I am hoping the whole of downstairs will be warm enough, and it has the magic self cleaning glass. just been making my wood pile in the cellar, am very excited, bought some fire logs from home nargains as well, 99p each and it says they burn for over 2 hours. Women in the fireplace shop said to chop them in half and use them to light the fire.

notasausage Sat 06-Apr-13 20:26:13

Minamilist depends how small you mean by small. My parents have a 4kw in a room that's about 5m x 5m x 2m and it regularly hits 25oC even with the door open. The heat does travel though so you will get the benefit in the rest of the house if you leave the doors open. Does your supplier do home surveys or did you take your room dimensions with you to the showroom. A good supplier should be able to advise on the right size of stove.

A humidity meter is also a good investment as stoves can make the air REALLY dry. You're aiming for 30-50%. A baking tray filled with water on top of or near your stove can help. Otherwise you might find you get dry throat, headaches and other symptoms. Our laminate all has all shrunk away from the joints at the door openings but we have a 9kw double double grin. It is double sided so heats our large living room, hall and some of upstairs.

JonesH Tue 23-Apr-13 10:09:58

Wow that red one is beautiful!! We've just had this Stove put in! Hopefully will look quite elegant when room is all done up!

HumphreyCobbler Tue 23-Apr-13 10:18:17

We have two woodburners and they are our only source of heating. I don't find them too much work at all, we only burn wood but we do have lots of space to store wood outside and inside. I do have to trek to the woodshed with a wheelbarrow daily. They work extremely well and only need clearing out every few weeks.

MinimalistMommi Tue 23-Apr-13 14:35:11

Is the OP still here? I've been wondering how she's getting on with her stove?

Foundapound Tue 23-Apr-13 14:40:51

Lovely! That's pretty local to us too, might think about that for our 2nd one. Am amazed at how many negatives have been posted here! We love the one we have, it's not much hassle to use at all, and we manage to grow our own wood in our quite large but not crazy big garden (ash grows quickly and burns well, but we've had enough other overgrown trees to keep us going for 9 years).

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