Seperate toilet room or combined? We can't agree

(38 Posts)
MordecaiMargaret Sun 10-Mar-13 09:06:57

Hi all, my husband and I are embarking on a project build.

In the plans, next to each other they have a separate toilet room - no washbasin and no room for one - and the bathroom with washbasin, shower and bath but no real storage.

I hate the fact the toilet doesn't have a washbasin and want to knock the wall between the rooms, thereby eliminating one of the doors and creating space for shelf unit or similar for towels etc. My husband thinks a separate toilet is a real bonus in a house and it's not that big a deal to go into a different room to wash your hands.

What do you all think?

We will have an ensuite in our bedroom so this will mainly be used by our son and any guests we have (we only have people stay 5/6 times a year for a few days at most)

Thanks for any replies

MissEleanorLavish Sun 10-Mar-13 09:13:55

Hate having a washbasin in another room (think of the germs on the door handle!) - I would definitely knock it through!

ILikeBirds Sun 10-Mar-13 09:14:09

Definitely combined if no room for a basin.

PureedGoodness Sun 10-Mar-13 09:15:36

Definitley combined

EeyoresGloomyPlace Sun 10-Mar-13 09:17:13

Definitely combined, yuck think of the germs otherwise!

MotheringShites Sun 10-Mar-13 09:17:23

If it was the only toilet in the house then separate is sensible. If there's another then definitely knock through. Separate WC is very old fashioned.

Arithmeticulous Sun 10-Mar-13 09:19:05

It's no big deal only if you never wash your hands after going to the toilet.

MordecaiMargaret Sun 10-Mar-13 09:19:06

That's exactly why I want to combine, I hate the thought of the germs on the door handle and you'd know whoever didn't wash their hands confused

unfortunately here in Aus it's the norm to have separate with no washbasin and apparently the separation adds value.

If we could somehow fit one in, maybe move the wall a little, making the 'bath'room smaller, would you still prefer combined or separate?

ILikeBirds Sun 10-Mar-13 09:23:14

I did wonder if you were in Aus. My sister who lives over there recently redid their bathroom and lots of people were surprised that the wc wasn't separate.

Mind you, a lot of Australians seem to be horrified by the idea of a bath over the shower

Dolallytats England Sun 10-Mar-13 09:27:18

I would go for separate every time. But I speak as an IBS sufferer with a husband who loves long baths!! You can always put antibac hand gel in there so no germs get on the handle, then go to the bathroom to wash properly.

BloooCowWonders Sun 10-Mar-13 09:36:41

I'd put in a teeny wash basin. The type normally sold as space saving for small cloakrooms. My DM has one that sticks out less than 4 in from the wall.
I like separate facilities for family homes.

You can get teeny tiny sinks - my mum has two in her seperate toilets. One is a 'corner' shape, so it tucks right into the corner. Just big enough to wash your hands in.

I like having a seperate toilet. Never forgot that time OH was having a shower, and I had to rush in to go to the loo (heavily pregnant, otherwise I would've waited!).

NewAtThisMalarky Sun 10-Mar-13 09:42:57

The idea of a bath over the shower horrifies me too!

I would get a washbasin in the toilet if at all possible, if not then I'd combine.

ILikeBirds Sun 10-Mar-13 09:44:48

oops grin

PigletJohn Sun 10-Mar-13 09:45:06

If its still at the plans being drawn stage, ask for a revision to add a basin.

AllIWant85 Sun 10-Mar-13 09:46:51

ILikeBirds grin I am horrified by the idea of a bath over the shower too!! They're heavy!

AllIWant85 Sun 10-Mar-13 09:47:21

Oops crossposts!

HecateWhoopass Sun 10-Mar-13 09:49:50

what about a loo with a built in wash basin? here

I can see the appeal of separate rooms if there is only space for one loo. Otherwise you just know that bath and loo needs are going to clash grin

But no no no to a loo with no wash basin.

SanityClause Sun 10-Mar-13 09:51:45

Can you knock through, but put a little cubicle around the loo, like they do in hotel rooms, sometimes? (With frosted glass walls.) Or wouldn't that count as separate?

I like to have a loo in the bathroom, but we have another separate "cloakroom" loo (with a corner basin) in case someone needs to go when the bathroom is in use.

ChocsAwayInMyGob Sun 10-Mar-13 09:52:57

Either put it in the same room OR put a tiny corner sink in. You'll have germs everywhere and it really makes me feel squeamish that someone has wiped their bum/changed a tampon/had a big man wee, opened the door, opened another door and only then washed their hands.

I don't understand why people prefer a separate toilet with no sink.

If there wasn't room for a washbasin of any kind, then I'd go for combined.
Having said that we have a combined bathroom and I loathe it. Unfortunately we're not allowed to make structural changes.

SanityClause Sun 10-Mar-13 09:56:05

Wow, Hecate that's an excellent invention. It looks like the loo is flushed with the hand washing water, as well, so that would be a water saving device. That would really be a selling point in Australia, I would've thought. (Last time I was there, water was rationed.)

purplewithred Sun 10-Mar-13 09:59:29

What mothering says, if there is more than one bedroom you need a loo that's not in the bathroom IMO.

ILikeBirds Sun 10-Mar-13 10:02:29

This toilet won't be the only toilet in the house according to the OP so that tips the balance in favour of combined even more so imo.

MordecaiMargaret Sun 10-Mar-13 10:30:10

Thanks for the replies, it would not be the only bathroom in the house as we have an ensuite.

A corner washbasin would be impossible as its very narrow, only a tiny bit wider than the door frame.

We can't really revise the plans anymore than removing the wall as its quite a narrow block.

I suggested having a kind of half wall with glass or similar separating the toilet somewhat from the rest of the bathroom then we could still put the storage across from it where the seperate door would have been.

This doesn't solve the problem of guests being unable to use toilet if someone in shower or bath according to dh. I don't know who he thinks these guests will be who can't wait ten mins or use the ensuite.

His argument is separate will also raise resale value

I also hate shower over bath

ILikeBirds Sun 10-Mar-13 10:32:47

I suspect if you asked this question on an Aus based forum you'd get more in favour of the separate toilet option.

Do you intend to sell anytime in the near future?

HecateWhoopass Sun 10-Mar-13 10:56:30

what about that combined unit I suggested upthread?

The washbasin is on top of the cistern and water used to wash your hands goes into the cistern to be used to flush the loo.

MordecaiMargaret Sun 10-Mar-13 11:06:19

Ohi just clicked into that Hecate, itsa great idea & solution but I don't love it tbh, I wonder how much they cost?
Very Eco friendly

ILikeBirds Sun 10-Mar-13 11:12:47

I wonder how practical the basin on the cistern is in reality. In a narrow room it seems like it would be a stretch for children to reach over the toilet to the basin.

SanityClause Sun 10-Mar-13 11:16:57

Children could kneel on the lid of the loo to wash hands, if they couldn't reach. It would have the added benefit of making them shut the damn thing after use!

MordecaiMargaret Sun 10-Mar-13 11:18:10

And if you'd had a few drinks, the risk of slipping in would defo be raised, coming out of the bathroom with wet knees - not a great look

SanityClause Sun 10-Mar-13 11:18:51

Mordecai, how long do you intend to live in this house? If its just a few years, and you hope to move, then do whatever is best for resale value. If it's your forever house, do what works best for your family living arrangements.

MordecaiMargaret Sun 10-Mar-13 11:30:09

Probably around 10 years, if I have to keep it separate I'll squeeze in a washbasin somehow.

I'd prefer combined though to have extra storage just have to persuade dh to compromise.

It's funny how people over here think I'm overreacting to the hygiene aspect. The builder was really surprised I'd brought it up and most people I speak to see it as a non issue.

I was amazed they're still making plans for NEW houses that don't incorporate a sink with a toilet, I'd understand if we'd bought an old house and had to deal with it but not a brand new house plan!

ILikeBirds Sun 10-Mar-13 11:35:45

Ten years is long enough to go for what you want rather than resale value imo.

Could you design it with an eye to being able to easily separate the toilet off with a stud wall before resale if necessary?

Yfronts Sun 10-Mar-13 20:46:24

can you search for tiny miniature wash hand basins, there must be a few out there. A loo without a sink is awful!

Yfronts Sun 10-Mar-13 20:47:15

tiny loo rather then full size one might create space too.

Yfronts Sun 10-Mar-13 20:48:55

http://compare.ebay.co.uk/like/150879340336?var=lv&ltyp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar&adtype=pla&crdt=0

tiny sink

Yfronts Sun 10-Mar-13 20:50:08

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