Britannia or Falcon help me please

(58 Posts)
Honestyisbest Sun 27-Jan-13 16:04:59

help me! I am choosing a range cooker, dual fuel stainless steel. it comes down to Falcon continental 1092 which is the entry level model at 2.5 K, gulp or the Britannia L line for the same price.
help!
One big down on the Falcon is there is no timer, I love this feature as I can walk in to a cooked casserole. But if you have either make please tell me pros and cons.

gillviola Sun 27-Jan-13 16:29:17

I have a Falcon continental range cooker. I bought it because both the ovens are the same size which is unusual in a range cooker. It is stainless steel and I love it.

Honestyisbest Sun 27-Jan-13 16:37:55

Thanks gillviola. Does that lack of a timer get irritating? The oven size is good, it's so hard deciding.

gillviola Sun 27-Jan-13 17:41:42

I do wish it had a timer but I decided I would rather have 2 ovens the same size and I still don't regret it.

Honestyisbest Sun 27-Jan-13 20:30:11

Thanks gill viola. How is it for cleaning?
Any Britannia fans?

reastie Sun 27-Jan-13 21:12:52

Watching with interest as I'm planning on buying the same falcon and didn't realise it didn't have a timer shock . Tbh if it was a fab cooker otherwise I could get over the lack of timer though. We have this timer at work (I teach cooking) and it's magnetic so it would just stick on your oven when you needed it.

Honestyisbest Sun 27-Jan-13 21:31:34

Reastie, the kind of timer I mean is programmable, so you can pop a casserole in the oven and the oven will switch on at a preset time. I use this function four days a week, it will switch on and off when you are out.
We loved the Falcon too.
however the J Lewis guy said the lack of a programmable oven is a deal breaker for many people. So hence the wrestling and it's such a lot of money so big decision.

ceres Sun 27-Jan-13 23:22:16

i have a britannia - cost a stupid amount of money five years ago. i wouldn't have one again. my mum's cheap hotpoint oven is more reliable and more spacious.

reastie Mon 28-Jan-13 06:52:01

ahh, OK, I'm with you now honesty . Our current oven has that function but tbh I've never used it so I suppose it won't be a deal breaker for me. Still interested in feedback on how good the faclon oven is (or not) though grin

amazonianwoman Mon 28-Jan-13 11:43:58

My friend has had 2 Falcons (in 2 houses), they're fabulous! The current one is probably around 7 years old and has never failed. She's a food technologist so knows her stuff and researched thoroughly before buying.

amazonianwoman Mon 28-Jan-13 11:47:46

The Falcon Continental is 'only' £2150 here

amazonianwoman Mon 28-Jan-13 11:48:49

You could buy a slow cooker with the money you've saved for your casseroles!

Honestyisbest Mon 28-Jan-13 16:07:59

ooh well researched amazonianwoman, that is a good price! It is a lovely looking cooker.....if only it had that bliming programmable timer. I do have a slow cooker though....
Just to confuse things just been round to drool over my friends new kitchen and she has a Smeg range, their most expensive model which comes in at around 2K. I t has two big ovens, a timer and self cleaning technology! They don't get great reviews though do they?

amazonianwoman Mon 28-Jan-13 17:12:16

Smeg have rubbish reviews...

Actually I saw a John Lewis branded range recently that was made by Britannia. I'll have a look. It looked just like a Britannia smile

amazonianwoman Mon 28-Jan-13 17:21:16

Not sure which one it is, you'd have to ask instore.

Rangemasters have timers eg the professional plus. Not quite as well built as Falcons but another friend has one and loves it.

amazonianwoman Mon 28-Jan-13 17:23:31

Me again!

I have an old range with a timer and rarely use it. Things tend to be either burnt or undercooked depending on how long the oven takes to get to temperature or how long it stays warm after switching off. I use my slow cooker instead.

Pufflemum Mon 28-Jan-13 17:26:14

I have a Falcon, it's fantastic, have never noticed the lack of timer! It's an industrial cooker so doesn't have as many gismos as other cookers, but as a result it's very easy to clean. I use Lakeland liners at the foot of the fan oven and Astonish cleaner (£1 from the Poundshop). I have the central wok burner and it is ferocious, I have had guests singe their hair when they first light it! Factor in the cost of an extractor fan though as its non standard size.

Pufflemum Mon 28-Jan-13 17:27:20

Ps Don't buy Smeg, they look great but don't last.

reastie Mon 28-Jan-13 18:07:12

ohhh puffle I didn't know it wasn't usual size for extractor. We're getting a free extractor with our kitchen shop but it's a rangemaster extractor not falcon one - I wonder if the size won't measure up hmm . You've got me worried now! Do you think it will be obvious? confused

Honestyisbest Mon 28-Jan-13 19:10:26

Ooh thanks Pufflemum. Sounds like good advice. I must say my friends looked amazing, but I want it to last for sure at that price!

dottygamekeeper Tue 29-Jan-13 00:04:27

I have a 90cm stainless steel Falcon range with one large and one small oven, dual fuel (bottled gas for the rings, electric ovens). I chose it specifically because in addition to the two ovens it had a separate grill and I wanted the five rings on top (and didn't have room for the model with two ovens the same size). Very good temperature wise, top easy to clean, main oven has easy clean liners (which never look perfectly clean to me, but are OK). Very good central wok burner. I don't really miss having a timer. Small fan oven is narrow but full height, ideal for doing lots of trays of biscuits etc at the same time or for cooking smaller dinners that don't need a large tin/dish. Big (multifunction) oven is wider (fits a big goose at Christmas) but not full height as the grill is above it. Grill is very efficient and has four height settings which you adjust by altering the position of the grid in the grill pan. Very solid feel to shelves and pan rests.

Previously had a Britannia which we inherited when we moved in and which I hated - it had the timer function, which I would have used occasionally, but the clock/timer broke when it was about 4 years old and I was quoted silly money to replace it. Was difficult to clean and unreliable temperature wise.

Before that, at previous house, we had a Smeg (not a range, just an ordinary oven) which I also disliked - grill was in main oven, and always smoked, difficult to clean, had glass top which despite my best efforts to keep it pristine did get scratched.

reastie Tue 29-Jan-13 06:13:12

Everyone here seems to have the elec oven and gas hob hmm . I'm planning on getting the induction hob as they seem really good at heating and easier to clean - any feedback on induction vs gas?

Pufflemum Tue 29-Jan-13 09:03:32

Hi Reastie, are you having cupboards either side of your extractor fan? If so you probably wouldn't notice the difference in width, but double check the width of the extractor with the kitchen shop as a 900 would look odd if you have the 1092 range, even with cupboards. I don't have high cupboards on the wall with the extractor, hence the advice to buy the Falcon one, but it was expensive.

I bought the range and fan from Appliances Direct, they were £900 cheaper than the same cooker from the kitchen people! Very good service and no problems and the kitchen fitters were happy to install them both.

With regards to the hob, I have never had an Induction, I always thought they were not as controllable as gas and was worried they might crack. However I can see that they can provide extra workspace if needed when the hob is not in use. Decisions, decisions.......

mum47 Tue 29-Jan-13 09:05:41

Pointless post really, but when I was scanning over active talks, I saw the heading of your posts, and thought it was a baby name posthmm
PS welljel, I want a range cooker!

Honestyisbest Tue 29-Jan-13 09:08:37

Thanks Pufflemum. I am having a hidden extractor (Elica) with a surround to match the cupboards. Good tip re Appliances Direct. I wondered if they were any good.
Re induction, my friend is pleased with hers, but she didn't mentioning cooking on it only that it was easy to keep clean! I guess a gas hob is more fiddly to keep clean. I'm definitely going for gas as I like to be able to whack up the heat and get cooking really quickly. I also prefer the look: it fits with our overall design. I love induction in a super modern kitchen though, very sleek.
Dotty thank you so much, you have had a fair few cookers! Great advice.

Pufflemum Tue 29-Jan-13 09:28:41

Sounds lovely Honesty. When's the work being done? You should post before and after pics.

Honestyisbest Tue 29-Jan-13 15:35:26

mum47- that is hilarious!

reastie Tue 29-Jan-13 18:18:46

puffle yes we have cabinets either side on the wall above the cooker, but I'll definitely check the width of the rangemaster extractor we currently have chosen

mum grin - so come on, which baby name would you choose from the 2 wink

Re: induction, the keeping it clean easily is the main plus for me - I hate with a passion keeping gas hobs clean, don't know why but it's my house job that drives me insane. I'm longing to just spray and wipe!

dottygamekeeper Tue 29-Jan-13 20:49:22

I considered having an induction hob but didn't want to pay the extra, esp as I would have needed to buy a complete new set of pans, also was worried about scratching/breaking the glass (well, not me, more likely the DH, DCs or MIL!). Reastie, I do agree with you re keeping gas hobs clean - the Falcon is OK but still a little bit fiddly. I have both the matte pan supports and the glossy ones, due to a mix up in ordering, and I use the matte ones all the time because they don't show up splashes so much.

Another consideration, living in the countryside where we often have powercuts, is that with the bottled gas hob, I can still cook even if the power is out, just by lighting with a match, whereas with induction I would be unable to heat anything without getting out the camping stove....

reastie Tue 29-Jan-13 21:01:45

dotty I was thinking the same re: powercut - that is a disadvantage of induction. We only get powercuts rarely but when we do it would be good to have gas. I'm sure we'd cope though. What s this scratching breaking surface of glass you speak of though? Hope that isn't easily done confused

Honestyisbest Tue 29-Jan-13 21:09:17

I'm going to go and have another look at the two cookers at the weekend, but so far it seems the Falcon fans are more vocal! Thanks everyone.

reastie Tue 29-Jan-13 21:13:37

OP let me know what you decide and how you find the falcon (if you pick it) as we won't be getting our for a couple of months yet. What colour are you plumping for? We are going to the ivory/creamy one grin

Honestyisbest Tue 29-Jan-13 21:24:43

I will reastie. Were going for stainless steel, lots of polishing! the creamy one is lovely too.
I have to decide within the next week. Along with taps, sink, handles, flooring.....

Honestyisbest Wed 30-Jan-13 13:43:48

Just found out that Aga make Falcon, Mercury and Rangemaster, so seems whatever I do my money may end in Aga's pockets!

throckenholt Wed 30-Jan-13 14:14:11

We have a falcon continental with electric hob - have had it about 5 years. Very good build quality - no complaints from us at all.

Far better build quality than the cheaper range ones.

Honestyisbest Wed 30-Jan-13 17:56:49

Thanks throkenholt. Is is stainless steel? How's the cleaning?

amazonianwoman Wed 30-Jan-13 18:06:26

Honesty - my friend's is stainless steel, it's easy to clean, just remove the pan stands then the steel hob is pretty much one piece. She puts the pan stands in the dishwasher once a week.

Honestyisbest Wed 30-Jan-13 20:39:44

and there is always the lovely Ovenclean man....
Pufflemum, we are starting next week. Builder is knocking a supporting wall down first to join the dining room to the kitchen. Good idea to take pictures before and after smile

gardeningsarah Wed 30-Jan-13 21:31:12

I have a britannia which is great. I also liked the falcon but because it didn't have the timer we didn't go for it or any other similar style which didn't have a timer.

throckenholt Thu 31-Jan-13 07:21:09

no - mine is black. Cleaning is fine - although the glass on the oven door does get quite dirty (most models don't have glas doors though I think). The hob - I just use a normal ceramic hob cleaner.

I would have liked a gas hob, but with no mains gas it didn't seem worth the expense and hassle to get gas bottles installed just for that.

Honestyisbest Thu 31-Jan-13 13:12:18

gardening sarah- do you find the main oven on the Britannia a bit small? It is much smaller than my current oven. Its just under 40 cm.

reastie Thu 31-Jan-13 13:26:38

honesty are you me?! we're knocking down a supporting wall to make a kitchen diner too. And we're getting the same oven as you!!!

Honestyisbest Thu 31-Jan-13 13:36:13

Thats funny. We are smashing down the other kitchen wall and fitting a bifold door. Are you? Spooky.
Oh and what are views on those hot/cold taps things? My DH loves, I'm not sure confused

amazonianwoman Thu 31-Jan-13 13:37:00

We're moving the whole downstairs round to accommodate a kitchen diner. I'm going for a cream Falcon with solid doors because I hate cleaning glass doors grin Or at least that's today's decision, I still haven't ruled out an Esse or Everhot yet (heart over head decision)

amazonianwoman Thu 31-Jan-13 13:39:41

Do you mean the Qwooker (sp?) tap? I quite like the idea of one and one kitchen designer was waxing lyrical about them, but then I read someone's account on MN of hers blowing up hmm

reastie Thu 31-Jan-13 13:42:28

honesty we are bricking in the current back door and turning a window into french doors, so half the same there too wink . I love the hot tap idea but I'm not sure if it's a waste of energy and expensive to have hot water on tap?? Also, if you're a tea drinker you'd have to make sure the water reached 100 C as there's a chemical reaction which happens with tea around that temp and if you just use v hot not boiling water it makes the tea not taste as nice.

reastie Thu 31-Jan-13 13:43:53

I just googled qwooker. The basic one is £850 <faints>

amazonianwoman Thu 31-Jan-13 13:58:57

I tested the qwooker in the kitchen showroom with my own tea bags! The literature claims it dispenses water at !00' and it did taste fine, but it's still a lot of money for hot water on tap, even if it would free up kettle space.

Honestyisbest Thu 31-Jan-13 14:02:11

Sounds lovely reastie.
Re the hot cold tap apparently its very economical to run. DH has one at work, he thinks its fab. I will find out the make as its around the £500 mark I think. We have a water softener so we have to have separate drinking water as hard water is better for drinking.
Soon we will all have kitchen diners with Falcon cookers and hot/cold taps, we can chill with a cup of coffee and a biscuit

reastie Thu 31-Jan-13 14:57:19

I'm envy of your water softener. I really want one as water here is super hard and I hate cleaning limescale off everything. We went to Cornwall last year and the water was so soft - I was amazed the taps and sinks still looked shiny at the end of the week with no cleaning. DH says it's a waste of money/cupboard space. He will probably say the same to hot/cold water on tap <eye roll>. He does drink ALOT of tea though so it would appeal. These taps do cold water and warm water too? So this is the only tap in the kitchen? I wonder how much boiling water it can do at a time as DH and I have big pint mugs we use. I'd be interested in info on the £500 one - I think I could budget that in. Or, maybe we could do a gas hob on the falcon not the induction to save a bit to pay for the tap hmm

Honestyisbest Thu 31-Jan-13 18:29:33

We had the water softener out in before we changed our bathrooms. Our water was soooo hard, would have wrecked to new taps etc. I am pleased with it. You have a separate drinking water tap. I used to have to descale the kettle every 3 months!
Will update re hot/cold tap. I know you do need a separate normal tap too.
Or you can go for a three way tap, hot, cold mixer with side arm of filtered! Much much cheaper. However, not available on the swooshy shower head kind of swirly huge tap that I want.

reastie Thu 31-Jan-13 18:34:10

DH wants one of those shower head taps grin

Honestyisbest Fri 01-Feb-13 11:41:29

Yes I love them. I want this one www.sinks-taps.com/item-312-OXYGENE_HITECH_PROFESSIONAL_Kitchen_Tap.aspx Will make me feel professional!

gardeningsarah Sat 02-Feb-13 12:42:05

The britannia I've got has one large oven and then a smaller oven. The range is 100cm wide. It coped perfectly well with the roast turkey etc at Christmas. Don't use the smaller oven that often. When we rented a few years ago we had a rangemaster which was 110cm wide so the ovens were larger and I really liked using it. One of the other reason we went for Britannia, was I needed a range which was a 100cm wide to fit in with rest of kitchen.

reastie Sun 03-Feb-13 19:16:12

envy of that tap link! Thing is, in our hard water it would be a nightmare to keep looking nice and shiny! Have had the qwooker discussion with DH. He can see the pros to having tea pretty much on tap. We are wondering how much it is to install underfloor heating now. If it's £850 for a boiling water tap vs £850ish to install underfloor heating then heating would definitely be a better spend of money for us. But if underfloor heating is more like double that then would scrap it. The flooring we've chosen is underfloor heating compatible so just have to try and nose online for heating installation costs.

bacon Mon 04-Feb-13 17:30:57

I have a Brittania double oven - 1200 wide dual fuel (about £2k) I cant comment too much as its been in our renovation property for a couple of years. I used it for about 6 months. I have the hot plate in the centre for eggs etc. My only concern is the amount of gas that comes out of the large rings - you need quality large pans to take this industrial gas. The rings are very marked already and surprised how cheap they are. The grill pan handle is awfully cheap and I will be getting something made more robust.

In hindsight would of liked a larger oven as really its two standard ovens.

Having come back from Squires Kitchen (cake course) they were using state of the art ovens and somewhat felt that I should of gone with this type of thing.

I looked at the rangemaster but it was no comparrison.

Now we are looking at ditching the LPG for a eco burner unsure if hubby as taken into consideration that the cooker may go!

Honestyisbest Tue 05-Feb-13 10:19:08

Thanks bacon. I think I will probs go for the Falcon. I think the oven size on the Britannia (390 mm) is a bit small, its smaller than I have now. I will miss the timer though sad

Dyffryn9 Sun 19-Jan-14 19:44:55

Does anybody know of a range cooker where both oven doors drop down? I am looking for one, dual fuel LPG, to fit in a recess, so the doors can't open out wards. None of the glossy brochures I've seen show the oven doors open at all. Why not?

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