(106 Posts)
janethewitch Sat 26-Jan-13 13:19:19


Has only been just over three weeks and we have a buyer, and one thats offered us just a few thousand under asking price.
So please please please do not give up if you are tring to sell right now, or have tried without much luck last year.

There is a real postive feel in housing market right now, if anything there is a massive shortage which will not improve soon, which is great news for those investing in property.

Thought I would share the good news, especially to all the doom and gloom merchants suggesting that I should knock 20% or more off the asking price (:


Flossiechops Sat 26-Jan-13 14:17:39

Really chuffed for you! Our neighbour put their house up for sale last week and its sold already. We are in the West Midlands and I'm seeing lots of sold signs go up. Hope it all goes smoothly!

MrsJamin Sat 26-Jan-13 14:19:18

Oh well done! What kind of house have you just sold? Ours just went on sale today. Any tips?!

janethewitch Sat 26-Jan-13 16:54:21

We have a three bed detached in Cambs/Anglia. All I would say is do not take a lot of the advice I got off here a few weeks ago(who have suddenly gone VERY quite I might add) and reduce the price of your home thinking things are bad out there, it's not.

Good news is that there is a shortage of property and a lot of desperate people fighting for what is coming onto the market.
There were a nasty bunch on here who took great delight in given me quite a fright by saying houses were too expensive and needed to fall in value.

Well it is not doom and gloom as all the indicies now point to house prices rising again which will be a great comfort to most homeowners.

wendybird77 Sat 26-Jan-13 17:32:50

Yes it is awesome news! All those cretins non-homeowners out there who are so desperate for a place to live, due to the lack of housing that you seem to celebrate hmm, that they are willing to hand over their life's wages to the bank so that the savvy investors homeowners can move up the ladder to a property more fitting their superior intellect and social status. May it long continue! I hope you buy a large enough house so that your children can continue to live with you into their 40s.

I'm glad you've accepted an offer Janet, but your narrow and poorly considered view of the housing market beggars belief. I do hope it all goes smoothly though.

Bilbobagginstummy Sat 26-Jan-13 17:34:10

crosses fingers - house went on the market this week. Lots of interest - just waiting to see if that will translate into serious buyers.

Not in our area but good to hear.

RCheshire Sat 26-Jan-13 17:34:14

Wonderful news Jane.

I pointed your post towards my brother who's sadly now on his third price drop in the 18 months his place has been up for sale (although still above the price he paid in 2005). He asked if you would mind listing your tips for selling so quickly as he and his wife are getting really down about it. His estate agent is describing the market as depressed and saying there are record low sales volumes, but your post has given him a glint of hope!

noddyholder Sat 26-Jan-13 17:35:24

It is not on the up and prices are not going up anytime soon. This is BS and I own property and work in property and this is not what is being seen at all.

noddyholder Sat 26-Jan-13 17:37:36

Is this the same buyer as earlier this week? After 3 attempts to sell. IIRC you were a new poster and accused all the rest of us of being trolls Good luck with this smile

nocake Sat 26-Jan-13 17:38:20

Well done on getting a buyer but I don't think rising house prices are a great comfort to most homeowners. If you're trying to move to a bigger house, as we are, then rising prices are the last thing you want and if you're not moving then house prices are largely irrelevant.

ivykaty44 Sat 26-Jan-13 17:38:56


I had an offer of just 500 quid under asking price after a week - that fell through for whatever reason they changed their mind

then an offer of just under 1k and then they couldn't get a mortgage

then a full asking price offer and then there house sale fell through twice but we stuck with them and sold

nocake Sat 26-Jan-13 17:42:35

Houses that are priced well in this area are selling quickly because there isn't much on the market but the prices they're going for aren't much higher than 2 or 3 years ago.

Personally I think you were lucky. End of. Good luck with your sale. Hope it doesn't fall through. After all, you are not sold until it is legally binding, even then not until the money is in the bank.

Yes, some (few) properties can sell very quickly. I had a few last year but telling everyone it is easy and that the property market is wrong is bollocks.

TheSecondComing Sat 26-Jan-13 17:45:50

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noddyholder Sat 26-Jan-13 17:46:17

The UK economy is contracting and the housing market does not flourish in those conditions. Mortgages are the issue lots of people would still over borrow if the banks would allow but lending is tight and surveyors are down valuing quite harshly. The market is on its arse and needs a swift correction to allow average people to buy a family home without bankrupting themselves. It would be interesting to see how this sale goes although as the OPs only other posts have been along these lines I doubt we will

Oh and ther is positive feel to the housing market at all.

Badvoc Sat 26-Jan-13 17:51:39

Hang on...
Your house has been for sale at least 3 times in the last 18 months according to your last op?
Hardly a quick sale is it?
I am pleased for you, and hope it goes through.
But, really, your area of the UK seeing a slight increase does not mean the housing market is anywhere near recovering!!

janethewitch Sat 26-Jan-13 17:56:17

@wendybird... I am so sorry your life might not be a bed of roses, but all I can do is look after me and MY family. Rather than put a spoiler on my good news, can you at least not be so bitter as to ruin it for me.

@Noddyholder....All I did was post about not being able to sell, it was a couple of mumsnet posters that pointed out that another site that I had never heard of before was using my post to make a point and were spoiling. And as it stands it seems like your advice to me a few weeks ago was way off the mark(reduce price). I think things were bad a little while back, but all I can say is that my area is now quite active.

Too everyone else, thanks for the nice messages (-:

janethewitch Sat 26-Jan-13 18:00:08

@Badvoc.... No it has not been a quick sale? .. Looks like things are different this time, or they have been for us.

Cannot believe people are still saying property is expensive, try paying 15% interest rates like we have done in the past, buying property has never been cheap.

noddyholder Sat 26-Jan-13 18:03:51

You are trying to get a rise out of those who can't afford to pay these ridiculous prices which is what you did before. When you have 'sold' then please post but atm you have an offer and the outcome is in teh hands of the banks and surveyors but well done

wendybird77 Sat 26-Jan-13 18:08:43

Apologies, your post came off as so smug and self-important I reacted. My life is great though. My family and I are well. I am not bitter at all, in fact the opposite. I hope you enjoy your new community when you move and that others around you have a more generous attitude towards others less fortunate than themselves.

newbiefrugalgal Sat 26-Jan-13 18:24:12

Has the sale completed though?

janethewitch Sat 26-Jan-13 18:28:53

@ noddyholder.... What are you on?

I have just sold a house, not conned a load of OAP's out of their life savings.
I am not trying to get "a rise" out of anyone, why would selling a house be considered some sort of evil transaction.

I think you have some issues going on here that probably are a little too heavy for this board, sounds like you have some political "it's not fair" sounding board, try writting to your local MP.

@ Wendy ... Thank you (-:

RCheshire Sat 26-Jan-13 18:29:29

Presumably, given the timings mentioned, the op hasn't completed but noone can blame her for being happy about accepting an offer.
Of course record number of sales are falling through in this fragile market, but fingers firmly crossed for the OP!

noddyholder Sat 26-Jan-13 18:32:23

I am on a few glasses of rioja. You tried to goad people last time who you considered weren't brave enough to buy and Iirc thought people who hadn't taken the plunge years ago were bitter. I am not bitter you silly person I own property have no mortgages and am an interior designer so rises would be good for me but still I think they are wrong. Why would I write to my MP?

Badvoc Sat 26-Jan-13 18:33:15

Maybe come back when you have completed?
Then we can celebrate with you.
Congrats on the offer op.

Cosmosim Sat 26-Jan-13 18:33:33

Well, we sold and bought elsewhere this summer. I keep following up on tr sold land registry prices of the properties that we liked but either felt they were overpriced, or just didn't like as much, or were told we were outbid on. Most of them sold too. So it really depends where you are in the country - check how many properties have sold in your area and you'll be able to tell whether things are moving in your area.

noddyholder Sat 26-Jan-13 18:38:07

It was only a few weeks ago you were referring to 'brain damaged' individuals who weren't man enough to buy in the last decade. I rest my case

FlouncingMintyy Sat 26-Jan-13 18:43:48

Oh I suppose its wrong that I kinda wish things go titsup for you op? (if indeed you really have had an offer). You have been horrendously bitchy for no good reason. Maybe have a word with yourself!

Flossiechops Sat 26-Jan-13 18:49:48

jane your attitude stinks tbh. You come across aggressive and smug. Is that your intenetion? People gave you advice that you clearly did not want to hear. many people on are still struggling to sell, many are stuck in negative equity with no way out. Yes you have been very fortunate to sell so quickly (even if it is the third time you have been on the market) but don't count your chickens before they hatch.

noddyholder Sat 26-Jan-13 18:51:37

An estate agent with an axe to grind I think

Badvoc Sat 26-Jan-13 18:59:23

Think you are right noddy.

RCheshire Sat 26-Jan-13 19:03:32

I hadn't realised it was the same poster but yes I remember that thread.

Everyone who put forward a realistic view on house prices was badly got at by that poster. In fact didn't they call all the regular posters trolls even though on their own first post?!

I hadn't realised an estate agent in disguise but that makes sense now.

jaynebxl Sat 26-Jan-13 19:21:53

I think it's very region dependent. We put our house on the market and sold within 5 days for more than the asking price. Houses here go really quickly. Some parts of the country have a different story with the housing market.

janethewitch Sat 26-Jan-13 19:25:19

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janethewitch Sat 26-Jan-13 19:27:38

@Jayne.... that is exactly it, maybe some place up North are finding it hard, but down south it is not as nearly as bad as some would have you believe.

janethewitch Sat 26-Jan-13 19:46:33

@flossiechops.... yes I was given advice, advice that turned out to be very very wrong.
And I would warn other homeowners who are thinking of selling to be very cautious on what she/he is told on here.

rosieposey Sat 26-Jan-13 19:52:37

I do think your OP sounds a bit smug ' yeah right' Er yeah right actually. Last year our 5 bed detached fell through twice, once the chain fell through and the next buyers tried for three months to get a mortgage and couldn't.

Are your buyers in a chain? I hope not for your sake as they are notorious for not getting to completion. We sold last week again and took just under 10 percent off the asking price as our buyers are chain free and we just wanted to sell. This is nothing like the previous offers last year which were both just under asking price - things have changed ( and this is the second house I have sold in 5 years btw and the one before this took a year to sell) so I just don't see how on earth you can say its not as bad as some would have you believe ... It is, very difficult to buy and sell at the moment and I live ' down south'.

We took this offer as its sensible and We are going to rent for a year as we need to save to recoup the other 10 percent so as we can afford the house that we want where we want ( this will also put us in a good negotiating position when we come to buy just like our buyers) and most lenders need to see a fairly hefty deposit not to mention the dreaded 3% stamp duty over 250,000 so we really will need to put everything into saving over the next year whilst we rent.

Please though don't thnk it's a done deal or 'easy' till you exchange contracts, only then are they legally bound to buy your house. Congrats on your offer though and I hope your move goes smoothly.

noddyholder Sat 26-Jan-13 19:58:36

grin tell me my friend about my problems in life.

mylovelymonster Sat 26-Jan-13 20:02:46

Congratulations janethewitch! Hope it all goes through smoothly.
We put our house on the market last summer and had three offers in the first week - one at the asking price, already with a buyer going through the motions of buying their house. All went through fine. It can happen if you are priced sensibly etc.
Lots of luck for the move x

janethewitch Sat 26-Jan-13 20:04:01

@Rosieposey.... What you seem to call smug I call it being happy, what is it with some ppl that they just see doom and gloom.
Yes it all might go Pete Tong(will that make you happy) but we will just dust ourselves down and get on with, for Goodness sake!!

noddyholder Sat 26-Jan-13 20:04:19

I read over the old deleted thread and you were the only person on it with problems. Still think troll

janethewitch Sat 26-Jan-13 20:06:40

@mylovelymonster....thank you (-:

Nice to read something cheerfull, the world is'nt about to end

mylovelymonster Sat 26-Jan-13 20:06:58

OFFS, have just noticed the other posts.
Look - life is generally quite shit, and hard, with extra dollops of shit & curveballs thrown in just to lighten the load. If janethewitch is happy and bubbling over with joy because she has the chance of moving on with her life, then that's great. Good on her. What is the matter with everyone?

Flossiechops Sat 26-Jan-13 20:07:48

@janethewicth. Get a grip for heavens sake, this is a forum you asked for advice and got it. Just because people have varied experience in the housing market doesn't mean they are right or wrong. You're a bloody fool if you think the housing market is positive just because you have sold. Have a bit of thought for those who aren't so fortunate eh?

rosieposey Sat 26-Jan-13 20:14:54

No it won't make me happy as I generally wish everybody well ( including you) I would just hold fire as I was saying that I didn't think its as rosy as you seem to think and this positive feel to the housing market you speak of has yet to materialise for alot of people trying to move that's all.

DH is in finance and unfortunately it is doom and gloom at the moment, the economy is on its knees and this is reflected in the housing market. Your right it isn't the end of the world but I also think your being unrealistic. Glad you are happy though op smile keeping positive is half the battle.

noddyholder Sat 26-Jan-13 20:15:46

The nastiness on the last thread was dreadful though calling people brain damaged etc because they hadn't bought a house when she did and are now priced out. Only ever posted twice and along these lines hmm

mylovelymonster Sat 26-Jan-13 20:21:53

Ah, noddy, I haven't seen other threads. I don't like nastiness generally and I don't get why some follow others around this site to carry on arguing with each other. Life really is too short.
Have you found your family home yet? smile

noddyholder Sat 26-Jan-13 20:23:14

Yes I bought somewhere before xmas smile. I acknowledge I am v v lucky and still hope even though I have property myself that prices plummet to get things back to normal.

janethewitch Sat 26-Jan-13 20:24:13

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rosieposey Sat 26-Jan-13 20:30:19

Noddy do you tHink prices will come down significantly? I hope so as so many people I know are having difficultly buying ( and my 21 y o dd will never leave home!)

This is the second house in 5 years we have sold that we took slightly less than we paid for it when we sold, a sign if things to come perhaps? I'm starting to think that renting for the nexr year or so is a good idea even if we weren't being forced to do it iyswim?

janethewitch Sat 26-Jan-13 20:31:37

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noddyholder Sat 26-Jan-13 20:35:10

I rented for 15 months and got a good deal. I think it will be a slow decline over a few years and then stagnation for years.I do take my advice from reputable people tbh and have made a good living renovating houses but still would prefer to see a crash if I'm honest as like you I just can't see how young people will ever even rent! The govt have stalled the crash a few times by introducing silly schemes plus low IRs and silly multiples when borrowing but this is tightening now and I hope this year will see falls.

noddyholder Sat 26-Jan-13 20:36:02

My agenda pmsl Yes I hope they plummet as they are ridiculously high atm.

rosieposey Sat 26-Jan-13 20:38:19

Blimey Jane, that's not nice is it? Personally i think something needs to happen with house prices because wages aren't going up and jobs aren't that easy to come by. The market will end up stagnating if people can't afford to buy and it's rapidly going that way.

EIizaDay Sat 26-Jan-13 20:40:57

OP I'm afraid I don't believe a word you're saying. You have no history here and I remember very well your nastiness on the previous thread. You're a troll. Don't know what your agenda is - are you an EA? an "investor"? You're speaking garbage anyway. "Positive feelings in the housing market" and "desperate people fighting for what is coming on the market" blew your cover.

noddyholder Sat 26-Jan-13 20:42:15

The thing is when I started renovating the money to be earned was not like what has been seen on tv shows. That was all based on a rising market and silly mortgage offer. People expect to make ££££ but it is like any other asset it can go up or down. It is at the end of the day a home and that is being denied to many many families who are at the mercy of landlords and are never settled. And it will be the same for our children those whose parents have property will get a leg up and those who weren't in a position to buy will never be able to help their kids.It is all very unfair. Everyone deserves a home

mylovelymonster Sat 26-Jan-13 20:44:53

Good news Noddy. Many happy years & times in your new home x

janethewitch Sat 26-Jan-13 20:45:24

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FlouncingMintyy Sat 26-Jan-13 20:45:50

Heh heh, this has descended in to comedy now. What an odd little character you are @janethewitch. I am having trouble imagining what it is you want or expect from Mumsnet.

noddyholder Sat 26-Jan-13 20:46:25

oh is it me? I've always wanted pink hair smile

janethewitch Sat 26-Jan-13 20:48:56

@elizaDay... Well you care to tell this board your agenda??
Last time all we got from you was this over the top political mumbo jumbo when all we wre trying to talk about me not being able to sell my house.

mylovelymonster Sat 26-Jan-13 20:49:26

I think you should all go put your feet up & watch a nice movie on telly with a small sherry and chill out a bit. That kids program - WDY - go switch of the computer & go do something less stressful instead. Right idea.

Whorules Sat 26-Jan-13 20:51:33

Is that what you're going to do too mylovelymonster?!

mylovelymonster Sat 26-Jan-13 20:54:48

Yes, I think I will grin Have had a tough day - 26 kids at a birthday party!

mylovelymonster Sat 26-Jan-13 20:57:47

I hate seeing everyone squabble - is too stressful. The Uk housing market is a fecking blush mess, but is very different across the country. Is a very emotive subject because it involves our beloved homes that we work our arses off to provide for our families. Please go and think about something else.

mylovelymonster Sat 26-Jan-13 20:59:05

Or I will have to start banging some heads together

Wandastartup Sat 26-Jan-13 20:59:21

I thought trolls had black hair. Is it not gonks with pink hair?

janethewitch Sat 26-Jan-13 21:15:57

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noddyholder Sat 26-Jan-13 21:21:06


RCheshire Sat 26-Jan-13 21:24:04

Janethewitch, I've not come across anyone like you on the Property forum. I don't for the slightest moment believe Noddy has sent you a threatening PM, as I'm sure you would report it to MNHQ if so.

noddyholder Sat 26-Jan-13 21:27:28

I absolutely didn't I reported the post where JTW said I had problems and was picking on people as I think it was a personal attack and I sent it to her in error. I have the post in front of me You are getting ridiculous now Ciao

EIizaDay Sat 26-Jan-13 21:27:35

Janethewitch is making herself look really silly now.

noddyholder Sat 26-Jan-13 21:33:34

MN have now deleted the posts thanks. Unfortunately I sent my original complaint to JTW in error when it should have gone to MNHQ.I have never threatened anyone in my life

janethewitch Sat 26-Jan-13 21:49:22

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I have reported this.

rosieposey Sat 26-Jan-13 21:59:38

Glad you have Greggs!

noddyholder Sat 26-Jan-13 21:59:43

I have done nothing of the sort really weird

RCheshire Sat 26-Jan-13 22:03:13

I'd reported the previous post of Jane's. It's all obfuscation and redirection. Without calling the OP a green-skinned creature, let's be clear that the behaviour is very much live-under-a-bridge stuff.

Looking at the first two paragraphs of the OP makes it clear. The first sounds like someone happy to have sold her house. The second bears no resemblance. The whole thing is a farce.

noddyholder Sat 26-Jan-13 22:03:54

If you look back on this thread you will see 2 deleted posts when I reported them I sent the complaint as a message poster rather than report in error which I acknowledged I have never threatened anyone in my life! And have been posting here years JTW nt sure what your motive is esp as you are 'new'

janethewitch Sat 26-Jan-13 22:12:26

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janethewitch Sat 26-Jan-13 22:17:03

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noddyholder Sat 26-Jan-13 22:17:06

Post them then because I know what I said. MN deleted the posts where you made a personal attack and the first message is what you said which I didnt like and I sent it to you in error which I apologise for.

FlouncingMintyy Sat 26-Jan-13 22:17:39

Hq - you just need to ban this poster, surely?

noddyholder Sat 26-Jan-13 22:19:06

I sent a second to try and explain the error of me sending you the wrong message please send to MN

noddyholder Sat 26-Jan-13 22:24:44

I have asked for thread to be deleted it is really nuts and I hope mnhq can see my inbox and see exactly what nonsense this is.

janethewitch Sat 26-Jan-13 22:31:56

Why does noddy find the need to PM messages and cause confusion, why not just post everything he has to say on here.?
And then act like butter does not melt in his mouth.

I do not know why, but there seems to be a little negative group on here that just wish bad things for property owners.

FlouncingMintyy Sat 26-Jan-13 22:33:30

Pmsl! hope it gets deleted noddy.

noddyholder Sat 26-Jan-13 22:33:51

I pm'd by mistake I was actually reporting you but hitbwrong button. 2nd pm was me trying to explain this. Gavel

OneHundredSecondsofSolitude Sat 26-Jan-13 22:33:53

Yeah you want to watch that noddyholder next thing is she'll be screaming 'it's Christmas' over pm

Seriously, lets not rise this time shall we

Can I urge a collective ommmmmmm

janethewitch Sat 26-Jan-13 22:33:53

Yes Noddy, have it deleted, cannot have any good news on the housing market can we (-:

Why do you think noddy is male?

RCheshire Sat 26-Jan-13 22:37:04

Yes, I keep thinking that.

And 'Jane'/Fred, have you not realised that most (if not all) of those of us disagreeing with you ARE property owners?

noddyholder Sat 26-Jan-13 22:39:46

I want it deleted because it is accusing me of things I wouldn,t ever do not because it is a good news thread!

FlouncingMintyy Sat 26-Jan-13 22:42:22

grin at screaming Its Christmas.

Honestly, don't worry noddy, op's just a wrong'un.

RCheshire Sat 26-Jan-13 22:42:52

That's the irony. I'm all for good news threads. The 'House Sellers Support' thread contains loads of people trying to sell for ages (e.g. CuddyMum) who I'd be really pleased for if they sold. In fact my early posts in this thread were congratulating the OP before the odd attacks started again....

noddyholder Sat 26-Jan-13 22:43:26

smile thanks.

Fimbo Sat 26-Jan-13 22:43:42

Omg I am like this grin

Who is this Jane person? Noddy has been here for years and years and years and gives sound advice on property.

And as for Noddy threatening. Get real. Just look at who many "Jane" posts have been deleted on here for breaking the rules.

I rest my case.

Fimbo Sat 26-Jan-13 22:44:41

I did a shocked face a la facebook, sorry wasn't meant to be smiley.

noddyholder Sat 26-Jan-13 22:44:57

I agree RC we are in a strange no mans land of can't sell and can't buy.

RCheshire Sat 26-Jan-13 22:48:42

Well I reported Jane's posts about the threatening PMs which MNHQ have now deleted as there was no substance to them... much hot air...

maxmillie Sat 26-Jan-13 22:55:13

Jane are you really that naive and inexperienced that you are celebrating and crowing because you've accepted an offer?

It will probably work out, but many, many don't. Particularly in the current housing market. Our neighbours have accepted three offers near asking price since going on the market 6m ago. ALL 3 have fallen through due to the buyers not being able to get a mortgage (surveyor valued under offer price on last one). Not sure why you are trying to pretend that it is buoyant, when any idiot can see that it's not (whether you think that is a good or bad thing).

You might be lucky. But you are not representative of the housing market in your area alone. Have you looked at land registry sold prices?

Weird, weird attitude.

CaptainNancy Sat 26-Jan-13 23:20:35

I have to assume 'jane' is an industry plant- no-one else is that concerned about 'buoyant markets'. hmm

We went almost to completion last year, pulled out due to all sorts of issues, mainly flooding, but the poor buyer had been on the market for 10 mo, still on now, and loads more properties in the same area are just not shifting at all.

CuddyMum Sun 27-Jan-13 09:32:16

Well it's not over until the fat lady sings as they say. I've seen so many houses repeatedly under offer and back on the market again.

RCheshire - thank you for thinking of me smile

Badvoc Sun 27-Jan-13 09:52:32 were such a help to me - whether you realise it or not - in 2011 when we were selling/buying.
So a belated thank you from me.
Cuddy...hope things get moving for you soon.
I also live in an area where property does seems to be selling BUT I actually realise that this is just not the case in the rest of the Uk or indeed globally.
I don't assume that it means a housing market recovery is in the way!!

soverylucky Sun 27-Jan-13 12:30:38

cuddymum- I agree. Round where I live in the part of town where traditionally property has sold very quickly there are lots of properties sitting their for months or going SSTC and then back on again. There is a house on my street that has been under offer twice.
In fact the only houses selling round here are going for less than 2007 prices. We reckon that to sell ours we need to market it at 15k less than we paid for it and will probably get an offer at 25k less than we paid. That is if we are lucky.

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