Help with choosing house in West London please!

(202 Posts)
ameliacampbell Sun 30-Dec-12 15:13:10

We (my DH, 3 year old DD and 6 year old DS) are currently living in Chelsea in a very small flat which we will soon grow out of. We still want to live relatively centrally as DS goes to a prep school in Kensington, and DH works in the city. Our budget is around £3 or 4 million, and we've been looking at the areas of Brook Green, Kensington, Holland Park, Notting Hill and Bayswater. We would like to get a 4 bedroom house with garden in any of these places - and if you have any ideas of other suitable areas please say!
We particularly liked Brook Green, very upper middle class, leafy and particularly quiet, however the houses aren't as big there as in Kensington or Holland Park (even though they are only 10 minutes walk from Brook Green!). We love the community feel of Chelsea, do any of these areas have this?
Thanks so much, and a happy new year! grin

RedHelenB Sun 30-Dec-12 15:21:06

Looks like there are loads of gorgeous properties in Brook Green for your budget just by googling!

ameliacampbell Sun 30-Dec-12 16:10:00

There are some that rival those of W8 - do you have any experience of BG?

noddyholder Sun 30-Dec-12 16:32:02

nice garden for location I am super envious of your chosen areas grin

noddyholder Sun 30-Dec-12 16:33:16
ameliacampbell Sun 30-Dec-12 17:06:13

Gosh those are lovely! Especially the BG one - does anyone know about the area?

noddyholder Sun 30-Dec-12 17:08:37

My best and oldest friend lived in Notting hill for years and loved it(as did I when I visited) but has moved to ealing to get a bigger house.

ameliacampbell Sun 30-Dec-12 17:12:39

I grew up in Notting Hill, beautiful area, however you can either get a mews house or a huge mansion-type, mews is too small and evidently the mansions will cost £5 million upwards. Ealing probably not right for us - is it not rather rough?

noddyholder Sun 30-Dec-12 17:13:59

I don't think so! Her 4 kids are lovely and the area is very family friendly They are as far from rough as you can imagine in every way grin

ameliacampbell Sun 30-Dec-12 17:16:32

What could we get there for £3 million?

kylesmybaby Sun 30-Dec-12 17:30:31

of course there are parts of Ealing that are 'rather rough' but no more than the council estates in parts of Brook Green. comes with living in London in 2012 i'm afraid.

ameliacampbell Sun 30-Dec-12 17:51:39

well yes of course

cansu Sun 30-Dec-12 17:57:11

FGS try rightmove. I honestly don't think you will have too much difficulty.

Nancy66 Sun 30-Dec-12 17:59:15

would you consider crossing the river into Battersea? Houses close to the park/river are beautiful and you can walk to the Kings Road in 15 mins. These two properties are gorgeous in your price range. I work in High St Kensington and it's about a 45 min walk or a 15 min bus ride.

Nancy66 Sun 30-Dec-12 17:59:45
bamboostalks Sun 30-Dec-12 18:01:25

You could try something called an estate agent's. They would be delighted to see you come through their door. You will find them all over the areas you have mentioned.

noddyholder Sun 30-Dec-12 18:06:19

grin MN never fails

ameliacampbell Sun 30-Dec-12 18:07:01

Ah but bamboostalks estate agents don't mention the cons of the area

upinthehills Sun 30-Dec-12 18:09:24

Your budgets seems good the areas -there are lots to choose from. I think you need to decide what is important to your family - do you want to be able to walk DC to school, what is the next school they are going to? Do you want to be walking distance to a park/ museum? What size garden you need. That will narrow things down considerably I reckon.

For me being able to walk to school and a park and having a south facing garden were deal breakers - and I got them!

upinthehills Sun 30-Dec-12 18:16:21

With that sort of budget I would think of your ideal lifestyle and draw a circle on a map - then research the areas that are there.

I did it on a budget of a 1/10 of yours - had to pick a school as well, but narrowed, narrowed and narrowed it down and ended up with great state school, south facing garden, detached, 85ft garden. Took 18 months but I stuck to my guns!

1605 Sun 30-Dec-12 18:21:56

That house in Luxembourg Gardens is worth £2.5m tops. I've shown it to a client who felt the quality of finish wasn't in any way commensurate with the asking price, and I agree.

You're looking in my patch but sadly out of my cient market positioning (which stops at £1.5m). If you want to use a buying agent, I usually recommend Tracy Kellett or Henry Prior. Though, to be frank, the market above £2m is dead in Brook Green and you could make some silly offers by yourself, and get them accepted.

Brook Green environs is rougher than you'd think; Hammersmith isn't pretty; Westfield is awesome; if you have little girls there's probably nowhere more convenient to live from a schooling point of view.

CarlingBlackLabel Sun 30-Dec-12 18:22:16

"Ealing probably not right for us - is it not rather rough?"

You realise that there will be kind and helpful MNers who come on this thread, attracted by your title, wanting to help because they live in W London.... kind, respectable, nice Mners, who may live in council housing, small terraces, in areas that you seem to call rough, like Ealing?

Hopefully they will be generous enough not to take in the stereotype of people who work in the city and pay up to £4m for a house, but you need to think about this being Mumsnet. All kinds of Mums.

And is somewhere that is actually rough right for anyone?

happygilmore Sun 30-Dec-12 18:25:34

I had to laugh at your budget being "3 or 4 million" - wish I had an extra million (or indeed 100k) to play with when buying a house!! smile

Sorry can't help with any areas as I'm a northerner, but good luck with your search.

upinthehills Sun 30-Dec-12 18:26:28

OP I am afraid I agree with Carling, I do think you are genuine, but when I first read your OP I thought you were taking the jolly piss!! This may not be the place for you to ask your question.

MrsCampbellBlack Sun 30-Dec-12 18:27:12

Amelia - I think you're telling porkies.

upinthehills Sun 30-Dec-12 18:27:34

Prepare yourself, is all I will say grin

bamboostalks Sun 30-Dec-12 18:28:16

noddyholder twasn't the budget but the rough comment that did it for apologies.

ameliacampbell Sun 30-Dec-12 18:30:19

thanks so much to everyone who has helped, and i will ignore those who think i'm lying! i was thinking of the kensington side of brook green, not the shepherds bush part

happygilmore Sun 30-Dec-12 18:30:25

In fairness if I had 4million to spend I wouldn't want to associate with oiks like me either grin

ameliacampbell Sun 30-Dec-12 18:32:39

sorry about the rough comment - i didn't mean to say that the people there will be rough, just the area itself, or the surrounding areas

1605 Sun 30-Dec-12 18:34:56

I imagine the £1m difference in budget is going to be dictated by what is achieved by the very small flat in Chelsea, it's rarely, "A million here or there doesn't matter."

Pricing is guesswork in London at the moment; 25% short of asking is not unreasonable. If you fancy renting, there are massive bargains to be had in W8 as rental values have not kept up with capital growth in the area.

AnnieMated Sun 30-Dec-12 18:37:23


happygilmore Sun 30-Dec-12 18:39:04

Yes but the point is 1605 that a million pounds more or less is still loads of money! I'm not having a go at the OP, but clearly she lives in a different world to most of us - I'm currently wondering, and worrying, if my house will sell for 10k more or less..

happygilmore Sun 30-Dec-12 18:39:44

10k more or less than what I think, that should be, not 10k in total (houses are cheaper here, but not that cheap!)

ameliacampbell Sun 30-Dec-12 18:40:33

1605 - are there any other areas to look at similar to Brook Green, Kensington, Holland Park etc?

ameliacampbell Sun 30-Dec-12 18:41:54

What is the average price for a home in the UK? I understand that what I have is of course above average and I'm very grateful, but are the places I'm looking at really that exclusive?

happygilmore Sun 30-Dec-12 18:43:47

Are you serious?

Average house price is £250k in the UK according to google -

Do you honestly think 3 or 4 million is a normal house price for many people? Genuine question!

1605 Sun 30-Dec-12 18:44:07

Happy I understand your POV and it's hard not to think "rich people's problems" when someone posts a problem like this.

But at the end of the day, we're all looking for a home to house our family, and we all have different budgets. We've no idea how the OP or her DH made the money. My richest client is worth £45m but that's because her father had a heart attack aged 49. You never know the full story so let's just help the OP with her query smile

noddyholder Sun 30-Dec-12 18:44:26

161k last year acc to LR

ameliacampbell Sun 30-Dec-12 18:46:44

happygilmore of course I know that it isn't a normal house price for people, and I'm going to drum that into my DC so they know exactly how lucky we are. Thanks 1605

Northernlebkuchen Sun 30-Dec-12 18:47:43

Oh come on - please don't expect us to believe that you think Kensington and Chelsea are areas just like anywhere else hmm

happygilmore Sun 30-Dec-12 18:48:34

1605 - I don't think I was being mean to the OP, I was simply chuckling at the mention of 1 or 2 million being a close price range. I wish her well, I'd love to have that sort of money but I definitely wouldn't mind people poking a little fun at the dilemma of whether to spend an extra million or not though. Surely you're never to rich to see that?!

VestaCurry Sun 30-Dec-12 18:50:46

As far as Ealing is concerned, there are some very smart areas indeed - look at houses in W5. There are some superb houses surrounding Pitshanger Park, you would get something really lovely for your budget, 3 storey large victorian villa, with basement and large garden, walking distance to the tube. Or, double fronted, similar period, with first and second floor, large garden, again walking distance. Usually 5 or 6 bedrooms. Some houses have the original lift intact and restored.

If it were me though, with your budget, I'd be dashing to Holland Park and seeing whether I could get something of a decent size there.

ameliacampbell Sun 30-Dec-12 18:51:13

I understand that Kensington, Chelsea, Notting Hill and Brook Green are very different from anywhere else!!

NaiceDude Sun 30-Dec-12 18:51:30

<rubs hands gleefully>

<marks place>

happygilmore Sun 30-Dec-12 18:51:54

OP you said - I understand that what I have is of course above average and I'm very grateful, but are the places I'm looking at really that exclusive?

So you don't really seem to know how much more your budget is than most people (not having a go, just answering you). Your budget is way over 10x what most people spend, so yes, it is very exclusive!

I'm honestly not having a pop, but you live a very sheltered life if you think 3 or 4 million is anywhere near an average house price.

noddyholder Sun 30-Dec-12 18:52:45

I text my friend to tell her MN thinks she is rough she text back women who spend their time in chat rooms are rougher grin

happygilmore Sun 30-Dec-12 18:55:01

Your friend's got a point noddy grin

funnyperson Sun 30-Dec-12 18:58:22

I don't like Brook Green or Ealing. Kensington and Putney are nice as is Parsons Green. Depending which school the dc will go to, you could consider Barnes and Richmond. Hampstead is lovely. Agree re South facing garden. Think about car space. Or you could get a cheaper home in a trendy area and send them to boarding school. Saves having to downsize later.

Nancy66 Sun 30-Dec-12 18:59:02

If I had four million quid to spend on a house I wouldn't want to live in Ealing either - but neither would I want to live in Hammersmith or Notting Hill.

With 4 million quid I'd be looking at: Hampstead, Belsize park, Primrose Hill or Wandworth Common/Battersea park.

Nancy66 Sun 30-Dec-12 18:59:48

...ohh yes, Richmond !

VestaCurry Sun 30-Dec-12 19:01:10

Would love to have the money, am a little envious but have friends with similar budgets and learnt long ago that envy withers the soul grin.

VicarInaTutuDrankSantasSherry Sun 30-Dec-12 19:02:55

i wonder how many mumsnetters can draw upon their experience of spending 4 million on a house in Kensington though really OP....

im sure there are agencies who provide those sort of services and can research the areas.

you can also just google the areas and get things like crime figures etc from the internet. There is no substitute for doing your own research really - as you know exactly what you are looking for.

ameliacampbell Sun 30-Dec-12 19:03:58

funnyperson why don't you like brook green or ealing? and they will both be going to boarding school at 11/13

Windowbasket Sun 30-Dec-12 19:04:13

I'd go for Hampstead or Wimbledon village - not Richmond - too much noise from aircraft! But as others have said, get in touch with estate agents in the chosen areas and speak to them.

happygilmore Sun 30-Dec-12 19:06:35

Couldn't you hire Phil or Kirsty to help with a budget like that?

ameliacampbell Sun 30-Dec-12 19:06:40

those places are not central enough for us though - we were really focusing on central west london

VestaCurry Sun 30-Dec-12 19:09:30

Lived in Richmond for 3 years, didn't like it one bit. Even if I had the dosh for Richmond Hill, I really really don't like the place. I can't explain why, I know lots of people think it's lovely.

Holland Park (had to spend a lot of time walking around it for a few months, sadly not cos I lived there, and I did fall in love with it).

VestaCurry Sun 30-Dec-12 19:11:46

Yep, good point, if I had that budget, and buying in the £££ parts of West London I'd pay a Phil/Kirsty type person to sort it.

FellatioNelson Sun 30-Dec-12 19:12:39

I am grinning from ear to ear at this thread. I must say you are all showing great resolve and patience. I expected it to go tits up after about 5 posts. grin

happygilmore Sun 30-Dec-12 19:14:18

I think there is still time Fellatio grin

noelstudios Sun 30-Dec-12 19:15:30

Good god, why am I reading this crap?

happygilmore Sun 30-Dec-12 19:15:42

Vesta, if I had that budget ONLY PHIL OR KIRSTY WOULD DO !

VestaCurry Sun 30-Dec-12 19:15:49

Awww no point being mean Fellatio! As long as you're not hairy-handed Amelia, we have had a few more naughty people than usual on here of late.

FromEsme Sun 30-Dec-12 19:16:55

Watching this thread with interest.

noddyholder Sun 30-Dec-12 19:16:56

Lived in wimbledon village for years not keen. Agree with nancy P Hill /Hampstead nicer.

ameliacampbell Sun 30-Dec-12 19:17:18

choosing not to reply to these posts. got any experience with boarding vs day because i've got another discussion on the go for that...

VestaCurry Sun 30-Dec-12 19:17:31

I'm with you happy, I've gradually fallen a little bit in love with Phil over the years. Not sure about Kirsty, she gone a bit too knitted necklaces grin.

Windowbasket Sun 30-Dec-12 19:18:12


Nancy66 Sun 30-Dec-12 19:18:26

Alternatively, you could buy 300 like this

happygilmore Sun 30-Dec-12 19:18:45

It seems like you have a great deal of hard choices in your life just now amelia.

Northernlebkuchen Sun 30-Dec-12 19:19:25

You've got to watch the neighbours with Notting Hill. Sam and Dave will be moving back there in a couple of years. No doubt followed by George.

Windowbasket Sun 30-Dec-12 19:20:19

Sam & Dave live in North Ken, a very rough area.

FellatioNelson Sun 30-Dec-12 19:20:36

I am SO in love with Phil Spencer. My love was not even gradual - it was instant. I quite love Kirsty too, in the name of fairness.

FromEsme Sun 30-Dec-12 19:21:29

Nancy66 are you kidding, Burnley is ROUGH, the OP would surely be mugged on sight.

ameliacampbell Sun 30-Dec-12 19:21:45

Windowbasket's right, N Ken is cheaper than the rest of K&C, and Brook Green. People always talk about the Camerons as being Notting Hill types but they're not at all

ameliacampbell Sun 30-Dec-12 19:22:41

what is the average size of a property in the UK?

noelstudios Sun 30-Dec-12 19:25:35

Apparently Kirtsy is a bit racist - I went to a talk by Shappi Korshandi at the National Gallery, and she said that at a do on a boat on the Thames at the last general election Kirsty said something really weird to her about Shappi not 'really being brown' and being just like 'her with a tan'. All a bit '50's casual racism.

happygilmore Sun 30-Dec-12 19:26:19

Well I live in a shoe by the side of the M1, not sure if that's average size or not?

I too love Phil. Please can we have a whip round for the OP to hire him to help with her search? Pretty please?

FromEsme Sun 30-Dec-12 19:26:23

Honestly, I don't even know what the Camerons are THINKING, the plebs.

That Dave one looks a right dodgy sort, I reckon he'd nick yer iphone as soon as look at you.

Windowbasket Sun 30-Dec-12 19:27:30

I think he'd be ok if you gave him a great big hug.

VicarInaTutuDrankSantasSherry Sun 30-Dec-12 19:28:03

ive just popped for a look at the other thread. oh my. i am out of my league here....

Northernlebkuchen Sun 30-Dec-12 19:28:59

The Camerons will be wanting to upgrade when Dave goes on the lecture circuit - like the Blairs did. They used to live in Islington you know <<shudder>>.

blueraincoat Sun 30-Dec-12 19:29:26

Wow amelia your life really is hectic at the moment! Pregnant, moving house and changing dc schools at the same time. I think I could only cope with one at a time!

VicarInaTutuDrankSantasSherry Sun 30-Dec-12 19:30:04

is there an average size property in the uk?

i thought uk average house prices were usually based on a 3 bed semi....around the £250,000 mark.

so a bit different to what you are talking about then OP!

FromEsme Sun 30-Dec-12 19:30:41

Don't worry too much, blueraincoat . That 3 or 4 million pound house will cheer her up if she gets too stressed.

upinthehills Sun 30-Dec-12 19:33:43

Amelia - are you trying to play MN Poker grin maybe start a thread on whether Fruit shoots are a good drink in a packed lunch next....

ameliacampbell Sun 30-Dec-12 19:35:27

sorry I'm new to MN - am I not doing it correctly??

Viviennemary Sun 30-Dec-12 19:37:42

I like the sound of Primrose Hill. But not sure if that's west London or not.

happygilmore Sun 30-Dec-12 19:38:27

Have you got a nanny who feeds your kids normal pasta?

Windowbasket Sun 30-Dec-12 19:39:03

Primrose Hill is lovely but wrong side of town, NW1.

rathlin Sun 30-Dec-12 19:39:24

I think Phil's business collapsed as part of the recession unless he's started up again.

yellowsubmarine53 Sun 30-Dec-12 19:39:45

A budget of 3 or 4 million is unusually wide in range.

happygilmore Sun 30-Dec-12 19:40:21

Bet he would still help the poor OP out though if the fee was right.

ameliacampbell Sun 30-Dec-12 19:40:44

happygilmore I'm afraid I don't have a nanny, I decided to give up my job in order to be with DC at all times, so unfortunately you can't be rude to me about another aspect of my life! And primrose hill is NW london, it could work for us

It's interesting that on another property thread you gave a poster lots of really good info about these areas. You seem to have done a lot of research already. What more were you hoping to gain from this thread?

Northernlebkuchen Sun 30-Dec-12 19:41:14

How to mumsnet 'right' - well desist from talking bollocks contradicting yourself from thread to thread.

LittleBairn Sun 30-Dec-12 19:41:18

What exactly are you looking for in an area?
Is it good shopping opportunities?
Nice parks for the children?
Transport links?

Areas I like are Brook Green, Holland Park and Chiswick. All decent family areas IMO.

happygilmore Sun 30-Dec-12 19:41:33

I'm not being rude, it's a joke about mumsnetters past.

I thought I was being quite helpful - CALL PHIL.

FellatioNelson Sun 30-Dec-12 19:44:01

I don't think 3 to 4 mill is an unusually wide range. It could just be the difference between needing to take out a mortgage and not take out a mortgage. And plenty of people have mortgages of a million or more.

VicarInaTutuDrankSantasSherry Sun 30-Dec-12 19:46:02

interesting thread started by OP on class definition what?

so we have a thread started on Class.
a thread on private schools
and a thread asking for advice on a house in london worth 4 million.

is this the opposite of MN bingo? no flatscreen goats here....

mamij Sun 30-Dec-12 19:46:28

You're better off going to a property agent, looking at a few houses, driving (an walking!) around the area during different times of the day and night.

noddyholder Sun 30-Dec-12 19:46:29
ameliacampbell Sun 30-Dec-12 19:47:01

when have i been contradicting myself? i've only made 3 threads...perhaps there's another ameliacampbell

Northernlebkuchen Sun 30-Dec-12 19:49:18

That must be it. Becuaes the other Amelia had older children who have already made the secondary transition and the other Amelia went to St Marys not St Pauls and the other Amelia thought Brook Green was too posh for her......

Want2bSupermum Sun 30-Dec-12 19:49:51

With a 3 and 6 year old I would be looking at Holland Park first followed by Brook Green (the part between Sinclair Road and Shepherds Bush Road). I assume you will want at least one parking spot as well as a garden.

I used to live in Brook Green and kept my flat. I love the area and if we were to return we would stay in the area as there are some good private schools close by. Elsham Road is great location for a bigger home. You are K&C so get the parking, you are about a 10min walk from Holland Park (the park with the most amazing playground) and 20mins from Ken High Street/ Notting Hill. Central line is great for getting to the city and if the tube is down your DH can jump on the district line at Notting Hill, get the bus or take the pink line. I had to be at work for 5am and it was never a problem to get a black cab from Holland Park (go to the Hilton Hotel by the round about as always one waiting around in the morning).

happygilmore Sun 30-Dec-12 19:50:35

Busted OP grin

You're a hairy handed trucker like the rest of us, aren't you?

Now, tell us your views on greggs.

ameliacampbell Sun 30-Dec-12 19:50:41

grin what a funny world we live in. Thanks for all your help, I think I'm going to stay OFF the internet from now on...

On the thread about schools for your son you live in holland park. On this one you live in Chelsea.

Northernlebkuchen Sun 30-Dec-12 19:51:46

Yes get back to your A-levels there's a lamb.

happygilmore Sun 30-Dec-12 19:53:00

I think you need to try a bit harder next time OP.

How about baby ear piercing?

ameliacampbell Sun 30-Dec-12 19:53:05


funnyperson Sun 30-Dec-12 19:53:26

Sorry- went away for a bit off the computer: Brook Green has lost its community feel and doesn't have any very convenient or nice shops for a family eg a book shop, veg shop, etc. also the main roads there are quite busy.
Ealing has some nice houses but again doesn't really have a nice 'village' type centre any more. Certainly I wouldn't spend that much money on an Ealing house. Though friends who live there seem to think it is pleasant enough but they were in a much lower price range.
Northwards are Hatch End, Pinner, Northwood, Moor Park they have some really lovely large houses and garden for your money and good transport links.
and nice little convenient villagy shops and banks. Primrose Hill houses are small and gardens face the wrong way.
No, if you can afford it, Hampstead/Belsize Park are the places. But there is no substitute for looking round. Best estate agents are Greens, Hotblack, Foxtons. If you wait a bit there might be a worsening recession and few people might put their houses on the market at a bargain price. Not that you need the bargain. There were some fantastic Hampstead bargains in the last recession.
I think this thread is a troll btw.

MrsCampbellBlack Sun 30-Dec-12 19:53:37

It is funny Amelia. Its so hard keeping track of one's imaginary educational background/property budget/made-up children etc.

Viviennemary Sun 30-Dec-12 19:54:15


VestaCurry Sun 30-Dec-12 19:54:29

Ooooh spooky, came back here cos I thought I'd posted a comment checking Amelia wasn't hairy handed, but it didn't post for some reason!

Oh well, still love Holland Park and Phil.

VicarInaTutuDrankSantasSherry Sun 30-Dec-12 19:54:36

...and there is the thread on class....

hairy of hand methinks....shall we all report together?

MrsCampbellBlack Sun 30-Dec-12 19:55:37

I already did Vicar - ages ago. As knew I'd been naughty by saying I didn't believe Amelia.

Northernlebkuchen Sun 30-Dec-12 19:56:20

Spoilsport Vicar. Tis ages since I've seen a proper contradicts self troll!

A-levels amelia - those exams you're doing when you're not having jolly japes on the interweb. Masterly use of Tarquin as offsprings middle name btw.

blueraincoat Sun 30-Dec-12 19:56:23

Same here

ameliacampbell Sun 30-Dec-12 19:57:35

why would i be doing a levels

Does that mean her children's names were a pisstake? Loads of MNers said how lovely they were!

funnyperson Sun 30-Dec-12 19:58:02

Oh I am slow aren't I. Laughs at self. Oh if only I had a spare 3-4 million or so- but do you know what. This is going to sound really silly but I think I might be past the age when 3-4 million would make a big difference in my life. Oh to be young and dreamy again......

Nancy66 Sun 30-Dec-12 19:58:52

no, don't report. I am enjoying spending Amelia's (imaginery) money for her. If her (made up) husband was more successful they could buy this

marriedandwreathedinholly Sun 30-Dec-12 20:00:09

Frankly I don't think 3-4m would go far enough where the OP wants - wouldn't exactly stretch to Elgin Crescent dahlink. Come and slum it in Putney - 22 bus to Chelsea and on the district line plus prime location for the best SW London schools or the Surrey ones if your dc don't quite make St Pauls wink

happygilmore Sun 30-Dec-12 20:00:12

It is nice seeing all the houses. The one I'm buying just now is about the same size but so, so, so much less grand inside. Much bigger garden though!

Northernlebkuchen Sun 30-Dec-12 20:02:36

O fancy this one but the kitchen is disappointing.

mamij Sun 30-Dec-12 20:05:44

I never realised what big and lovely houses existed until I saw this post! Must do a bit more house shopping now!

If you are wedded to West and that budget, I would say try Chiswick - much more community/family friendly than some of the places you are looking at (have lived in Brook Green - it's ok, but a bit annonymous) or just over the river: Barnes, East Sheen are both desirable/lovely/family friendly and don't border anywhere 'rough'

happygilmore Sun 30-Dec-12 20:07:36

Has it got a garden Northern? For that price you'd really want one.

Haven't read the whole thread - did I miss a hairy hand something?

VicarInaTutuDrankSantasSherry Sun 30-Dec-12 20:28:09

its is rather a good excuse for property porn isnt it! such fun!!

FellatioNelson Sun 30-Dec-12 20:33:38

Amelia is not that new. I don't think there are any hairs on her hands. I think you should all behave. wink

She may enjoy this a little too much but that doesn't mean it's not for real.

FromEsme Sun 30-Dec-12 21:42:16

But Fellatio, she said she was new to mn upthread.

FellatioNelson Sun 30-Dec-12 21:52:42

Newish, but not brand new. She's been around a month or so.

CaptainNancy Mon 31-Dec-12 00:41:17

Oh blast, I thought I was the only one onto her sad

amelia MNers will always find you out... slowly, therefore surely.


CaptainNancy Mon 31-Dec-12 00:51:02

So amelia- are you Amanda or Natalie? Of course... you're known for turning out quite a lot of actors [deadpan]

TheFantasticFixit Mon 31-Dec-12 00:59:36

With an attitude like yours OP, please don't consider Pitshanger. It is a lovely area, much too nice for the likes of you and your hideous boastful and posturing attitude.

Stick your 4 mill somewhere else, now there's a love.


tethersjinglebellend Mon 31-Dec-12 01:08:01

Have you considered Harlesden?

likeatonneofbricks Mon 31-Dec-12 01:16:30

Holland park is best! Some very quiet grand streets yet close to the buzz. Unless you like lots of green spaces around you - then Barnes/Richmond. Parts of Chiswick are nice and more central, and close to Kew Gardens which is great for kids.
I'm not a fan of North london, but Battersea (south) is nice near the park by the way.

Viviennemary Mon 31-Dec-12 01:17:47

Well I think she should donate her money to charity and rent a cheap flat somewhere outside London.

likeatonneofbricks Mon 31-Dec-12 01:19:39

tethers grin

AmberLeaf Mon 31-Dec-12 02:06:06

I cant believe the price of those houses, they aren't even semi detached!

£5mil for a fucking terrace?!

marriedandwreathedinholly Mon 31-Dec-12 10:06:21

Central London AmberLeaf - it isn't the real world. Even South of the river (just south) the three/four bed terraces are around the million mark. The OPs budget, for the area she's looking is a wee in the ocean. It is absurd - entirely absurd - but London remains a Tale of Two Cities and for us "Londoners" a tale we still live.

AmberLeaf Mon 31-Dec-12 10:09:58

Yeah Im a Londoner too, so I do know really. I was being slightly tongue in cheek in my previous post! grin

If I had that sort of budget, I would want a detached property!

Location, location location eh?!

marriedandwreathedinholly Mon 31-Dec-12 10:26:32

Sorry. didn't mean to patronize. chiswick or ealing for you then - the detached's in pputney will be too far from the tube smile

AmberLeaf Mon 31-Dec-12 10:43:25

No no! I didn't think you were being patronising! smile

Im a SE London girl anyway, my lovely victorian semi is worth around £260k, would be worth loads more in other parts of SE London though, like east Dulwich etc.

In fact a tiny terrace in areas like that would be worth waay more then my house!

I find it all very bizarre.

NewMummyInTown Mon 31-Dec-12 11:36:23

london house prices are mad - we are thinking of moving out of our £1.5 million 2 bedroom cottage in Fulham to fit a 2 yo and newly born twins in, we've looked at Brook Green/Holland Park and of course all that will buy us is a flat or a tiny cottage with a yard for a garden...very frustrating!

<stomps off to go and porn some more on rightmove at £2 million terraced houses with no garden shock>

Nancy66 Mon 31-Dec-12 11:40:56

Newmummy - so why not move to an area that will buy you a lot more?

I really don't get the dogged determination to stick to key areas where you get fuck all for your money - and, invariably, they aren't even that nice and are bordered by huge council estates.

i'd live in Dulwich village over Notting Hill, Wandsworth Common over Fulham, Hampstead over Holland Park any day.

NewMummyInTown Mon 31-Dec-12 11:46:38

but if you want to be central then you have to sacrifice alot...

AmberLeaf Mon 31-Dec-12 11:47:54

I agree Nancy, but you know that Dulwich village is bordered by peckham dont you?!

Does 2 bed cottage in Fulham mean 2 bed terrace?

I think of this when I read cottage.

Nancy66 Mon 31-Dec-12 11:49:31

yeah, i know peckham is close but there are £5million houses in Notting Hill that are directly opposite huge sink estates.

AmberLeaf Mon 31-Dec-12 11:51:54

I think if you can afford a £5mil home in nottinghill, your life will be pretty much unaffected by the existance of sink estates.

AmberLeaf Mon 31-Dec-12 11:52:10


Nancy66 Mon 31-Dec-12 11:53:49

you're not when you suffer the knock-on effect of crime.

I've got friends in Notting Hill and Hammersmith who seem to be burgled all the time.

ValentineWiggins Mon 31-Dec-12 11:53:52

Newmummy 1.5m will get you at least 5 bed semi plus garden in Richmond with no hassle at all...

AmberLeaf Mon 31-Dec-12 11:57:37

Yes I can imagine expensive houses in all areas are targeted by burglars.

It even happens in the countryside.

Northernlebkuchen Mon 31-Dec-12 11:58:10

I just do not believe that the quality of life in Kensington/Holland Park etc can possibly justify the monopoly prices for very ordinary housing.

Nancy66 Mon 31-Dec-12 12:02:08

When the super rich from Russia and UAE want to buy in London they pretty much only buy in: Kensington, Chelsea, Holland Park, Mayfair, Knightsbridge, St Johns Wood.....which is why prices in these areas are so bonkers.

Northernlebkuchen Mon 31-Dec-12 12:04:44

So if you want an oligarch for a neighbour that's the place to go! grin

Nancy66 Mon 31-Dec-12 12:06:11


NewMummyInTown Mon 31-Dec-12 12:06:32

there aren't any brits living in those areas anymore - mostly russians and americans

tethersjinglebellend Mon 31-Dec-12 12:35:05

There are large parts of west London which are suffering serious structural damage from all the basement excavations done on tiny terraced houses.

It's mental.

bevelino Mon 31-Dec-12 12:40:44

OP I thought you were being serious for a minute.

TheCollieDog Mon 31-Dec-12 12:48:22

im sure there are agencies who provide those sort of services and can research the areas

Ah, but vicar you have to PAY for those sorts of services. MN is free!

How the rich get richer, and the poor get the picture.

marriedandwreathedinholly Mon 31-Dec-12 12:51:52

0.75 miles over the river in putney and you can have a 2 million terrace with 4 beds and a huge garden. Closer to more and better schools too. It still feels pretty central with the added bonus of a mainline for very fast access to City via Waterloo.

Ponders Mon 31-Dec-12 12:52:19

bevelino, I thought so too until

ameliacampbell Sun 30-Dec-12 19:22:41
what is the average size of a property in the UK?

& then

ameliacampbell Sun 30-Dec-12 19:35:27
sorry I'm new to MN - am I not doing it correctly??


1605 Mon 31-Dec-12 13:00:38

I don't know if Amelia is genuine or not, but I have to tell some of you disbelievers that this scenario isn't particularly implausible in the parts of London where I work.

Her husband probably works in hedge funds or is a VC, possibly a trader or fund manager, or an equity partner in a Magic Circle law or accountancy firm; wife (guessing on her age based on age of DCs and not sexism!) probably herself a junior partner in a second tier professional firm or a VP in an investment bank. IME also some barristers and hospital consultants in Harley Street friendly disciplines make this kind of money.

Big chunk of family money as an inheritance tax transfer, plus combined equity on pre-marriage flats bought pre-2000 paid for small place in SW3 in mid noughties. Past few years, SW3 goes nuts (though it dived in 2008/09 along with the rest of London), and suddenly people in their late 30s or early 40s have £4m to play with.

Fewer and fewer of these people about though, and they'll shrink some more because of the demographics post 2007. If there's a labour government in 2 years' time, I'm thinking the asset price bubble will deflate very, very quickly.

You can tell Brook Green is smack bang in the bubble though, because all the houses in the top price brackets still have cheap tat furniture wink inside.

Ponders Mon 31-Dec-12 13:03:58

oh, it's not the money, 1605

it's the tone (&, of course, her posts from October, especially this one grin)

MrsCampbellBlack Mon 31-Dec-12 13:05:33

1605 of course we know people spend large sums on houses but amelia or newmummy or whatever she's calling herself is ahem not telling quite the whole truth for whatever reason.

TheCollieDog Mon 31-Dec-12 13:08:14

You can tell Brook Green is smack bang in the bubble though, because all the houses in the top price brackets still have cheap tat furniture wink inside

What was that someone once said about poor people having to buy their furniture? smile

1605 Mon 31-Dec-12 13:16:06


I was pondering this thread last night when bored stupid as DF watched another cheesy 80's action movie I was at a bit of a loose end and I figured as much as you, 1605.

That, yes, this could be genuine. At least, the situation could be (where I live I've seen quite a few families come and go through my older two DC's primary education - they were american and here a couple of years whilst DH's did some terribly important work playing with money ).

Still, it remains that probably the same percentage of MNers who could offer the kind of valuable advice someone in this situation would need or appreciate will be tiny, followed by a small percentage who will be friendly and offer limited advice anyway but that ultimately the majority will be either thinking
OP is hairy handed or looking to rip them to shreds just because they have money.

I don't really understand why it's ok to do that. And I grew up on a sink estate, surrounded by crime, poverty, children having children so please don't think I'm defending the mega rich because I'm one of them, because I'm really not!

Ah, x posts with several as I was distracted by the baby whilst typing mine...

Ponders Mon 31-Dec-12 13:28:13

What was that someone once said about poor people having to buy their furniture?

Alan Clark is reported to have described Michael Heseltine as 'the kind of person who buys his own furniture', believe it or not!

(Clark's father bought their house furnished, so his was 2nd generation inherited furniture which must be ok)

but he was actually quoting one of the Chief Whips

(the nobs party never changes - doncha just love 'em wink)

TheCollieDog Mon 31-Dec-12 13:30:44

Hmmm, I see what you mean, Manda and who am I to chide -- I have two houses (neither separately or together worth anything near to £4mill) But there's sensitivity and sensitivity, isn't there?

Bankers playing with money - not working in the real economy - got the rest of us into this bluddy mess, and their actions have had consequences, but not for them, just for the rest of us.

On another MB I frequent there was a very silly poster, wife of a partner in a very large merchant bank, who used to post while tired and emotional and made some very reprehensible statements about her things: her house, their maids, the cars and so on. Poor thing raging drunk she ended up in rehab and people felt sorry for her, but it might have been better had she been a little more thoughtful in her postings ...

I've never really thought of Ealing as rough, and I've lived in some sketchy areas in my time.

1605 Mon 31-Dec-12 13:33:31

Well, I've given her the names of two specialist buying agents for her exact price bracket, and some free advice. Off you go now, Amelia, and pay someone wink.

If you're actually just trying to drive traffic to your house, you need to improve its presentation.

EverythingInMjiniature Mon 31-Dec-12 13:52:17

Does it matter if she's a troll, can't we just look at house porn?

Yes, collie. Sensitivity would be great - but it's a two way street! Your case in point, really.

It's so easy to assume pots of money = fucking awesome, what's your problem?! but ime the few extremely rich people I've known well were all desperately unhappy and screwed up.

Dunno. I guess what I've come to realise is that the grass isn't really greener on the other side. It's just grass.

1605 Mon 31-Dec-12 13:58:38

Luxembourg Gardens is hardly house porn.

Try this

Or this

Or this

Bumblequeen Mon 31-Dec-12 14:13:01

This post is making me feel very poorsad

We had to buy out of London due to the house prices and commute from Kent --1 hour 45 mins door to door--Bought 3 bedroom house for £190k. For this we would probably get a grotty two bed in an undesirable part of South East London.

How the other half live!

1605 Mon 31-Dec-12 14:16:29

Try working with them daily. Some of the budgets my colleagues come across would buy the entire street where I grew up, Bumble grin.

bevelino Mon 31-Dec-12 14:34:22

OP please don't take this comment the wrong way but your post is insensitive as you well know.

Nancy66 Mon 31-Dec-12 14:42:15

the post is fake so it's irrelevant. But some people have money and some don't.

Rich people aren't all arsesholes. poor people aren't all heroes.

MrsCampbellBlack Mon 31-Dec-12 14:48:14

Quite Nancy.

Northernlebkuchen Mon 31-Dec-12 14:55:58

The response to this OP is not actually about the budget involved. Anybody looking at spending over about 250 grand is spending above the average and most posters get a lot of helpful advice and support on this board. The responses on this thread are about the style of this post alone.

Callycat Mon 31-Dec-12 14:56:00

Agree; that OP was a little insensitive. If you've spent more than a couple of weeks here, you'll get that most of us are really struggling. You seem genuinely nice, OP, but you could have used a more appropriate forum for your question.

Declaration of interest: nearly 40, have a fecking PhD, worked all my life, and still can't afford more than a room in a crappy shared house in Hammersmith, so a teeny bit jealous ;)

Pantofino Mon 31-Dec-12 14:58:06

Op is on the wind up with contradictory posts - small kids vs grown ones, asking for advice/giving the same detailed advice to others. If she is real, then she is just showing off.

<goes off to look at house porn> grin

AllSoQuiet2433 Mon 31-Dec-12 16:30:36

eurgh this thread makes me feel I am living in a 2 bedroom house which is worth 500k in london, thinking of moving to the countryside because there I could get a bloody mansion!
I know some of you Brook Green Holland Park Kensington sloaney types, discussing Eton vs Harrow and which skiing resort you're going to take a holiday to next, or perhaps what breed of horse you're going to buy for your little Lucindas and Jemimas (apparently people ride horses in the morning in brook green). sitting in your million pound houses while your husbands go off and ruin our country's finances...

<goes off to look at some pretty thatched cottages that are a fifth of my place>

noddyholder Mon 31-Dec-12 16:31:44

Is the op not real?

AllSoQuiet2433 Mon 31-Dec-12 16:35:24

she's either completely naive of the ordinary family or she's just doing it as a joke

AllSoQuiet2433 Mon 31-Dec-12 16:39:43

Are these places really all that though? Is it worth paying millions of pounds to live in a tiny house just because of the W8/W14/SW3/W11 label?

bevelino Mon 31-Dec-12 16:58:03

Having just read OP other threads it's blatantly obvious that she is not real. Have a read, they are absolutely ridiculous to the point of funny ha, ha.

AllSoQuiet2433 Mon 31-Dec-12 17:04:21

Perhaps she's schizophrenic?

difficultpickle Mon 31-Dec-12 17:04:32

We need to remember that it is still the school holidays.... grin

AllSoQuiet2433 Mon 31-Dec-12 17:06:53

I would laugh if this is a posh schoolgirl who is a little too confident about her background...

1605 Mon 31-Dec-12 17:16:32

I'm now fairly certain it's someone trying to drive Rightmove traffic to Brook Green.

There are a LOT of threads about Brook Green, Holland Park and the "affordable" areas off Ken High Street at the moment and I know from my practical experience that the market in the area is very subdued at the moment.

1605 Mon 31-Dec-12 17:17:57

That said, the stuff about schools and what have you is strangely specific.

As is posting in a real name (even if not the OP's own). hmm

1605 Mon 31-Dec-12 17:20:48

Is it worth paying millions of pounds to live in a tiny house just because of the W8/W14/SW3/W11

No, definitely not. But Londoners are highly sensitive to monetary and class nuances and suffer terribly from status anxiety. Many of my clients wouldn't dream of living in W12, or SW12, even if one street away from their beloved W14 or SW11.

AllSoQuiet2433 Mon 31-Dec-12 18:14:37

due to the recession I think any area which has houses selling for millions of pounds will have a subdued market...I heard South Ken's market was struggling

funnyperson Tue 01-Jan-13 18:54:56

Had a friend who sold her house in Chelsea last yr for 2m because she inherited it and didn't want to do it up. T'was full of furniture. French. Needed work though and tis sold so no use to Amelia.

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