I am OBSESSED with this house.

(90 Posts)
Nancy66 Wed 28-Nov-12 12:22:37

I've looked at it on streetview and area looks a bit rundown. Anyone know more - is it complete Shitsville?

www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-39199298.html

Pootles2010 Wed 28-Nov-12 12:24:37

I don't know it personally, but a house that gorgeous, and that big, at that price? Yep, thinking it must be!

Nancy66 Wed 28-Nov-12 12:25:37

Yeah, i'm sure you're right.

It's got it's own tower!!!

Flossiechops Wed 28-Nov-12 12:26:14

Don't know either but it's a beaut!!! grin

MrsBucketxx Wed 28-Nov-12 12:27:57

its lovely, your lucky i could never in my wildest dreams afford that.

wonkylegs Wed 28-Nov-12 12:29:47

Very cool but bit of a project me thinks. Loving the stairs but not the damp in the tower.

Nancy66 Wed 28-Nov-12 12:29:53

We are lucky MrsBucket, bought in London at the right time. Our London home isn't even half the size of that yet it's worth about double. crazy.

Those stairs are a piece of art. It's beautiful but worth about 6 times the amount of our three bed semi so we'll have to pass grin

BRANdishingMistletoe Wed 28-Nov-12 12:33:24

shock at picture 9, that's an amazing room. It does look as though it's a nicely proportioned house.

There are signs of some serious damp, in picture 7 particularly. There are no pictures of the garden, and no mention of there being one at all in the details. It's listed, so likely to be expensive and bureaucratically time-consuming if you do any work to it.

I wonder if it might one of those seaside towns that used to have lots of B&Bs for holiday makers and now the B&Bs are being used as emergency housing. In which case there won't be a lot of money around and the shops (or lack of them) are likely to reflect that. I don't know that part of the UK at all.

Nancy66 Wed 28-Nov-12 12:36:46

the property has been on the market for about two years. Such is my obsession.

Seems that someone bought it, started a renovation project and either gave up or ran out of money.

MrsBucketxx Wed 28-Nov-12 15:15:33

looked at the agents site and google maps etc.

its listed which means no knocking out of walls,

the house is right next to a shopping centre, and the train station, which could be noisy/busy.

it has a postage stamp garden too. its not for me but if you love it go and view it.

Nancy66 Wed 28-Nov-12 15:23:17

Thanks MrsB - why it's been on the market for two years is starting to become clear....

I might go and view it alone. Can't bear to take DP at this stage. He trained as an architect orignally (although he doesn't do that now) and he'll start banging on about girders and stuff.

MrsBucketxx Wed 28-Nov-12 15:32:54

you wouldnt be able to change any of the main structure without planning permission, which has to be aproved by conservation officer and planning commity.

if you have google maps you can look at the local area on street view.

Nancy66 Wed 28-Nov-12 15:41:45

I have looked on streetview and did think the road didn't look like the nicest in the world...seems to be next to some office block

safflower Wed 28-Nov-12 15:46:56

I gather st leonards is comjplete and utter shitsville, sorry.

HullyEastergully Wed 28-Nov-12 15:52:51

The area is ok. I'd go for it if you have the cash!

Bits of St L aren't great, that bit is ok.

House is fabulous.

Nancy66 Wed 28-Nov-12 15:57:07

ohhh really Hully? I'm going to arrange a viewing in that case.

MadBusLady Wed 28-Nov-12 16:01:10

St Leonards is supposed to have a high level of deprivation and some drugs problems, I think.

Are we getting the same Streetview? I can't see a shopping centre or an office block. Seems to be a quiet, if shabby, residential road of mostly Georgian houses. There's a couple of 1950s/60s houses next to this one, but they are the only exception. The garden from the aerial view looks to be not huge, but not a postage stamp (not by London standards anyway).

Looks lovely.

Narked Wed 28-Nov-12 16:02:41

Of the three nearest primaries, two have over 30% of pupils on free school meals, so the lower income of the area would help keep property prices lower.

I'd say it's a labour of love. It looks like a good £150k before you touch it with a paintbrush. If you love it, it's worth a weekend at the seaside to see how you feel about the area.

safflower Wed 28-Nov-12 16:05:18

Check out other houses, they may well have all been converted into flats. So possible parking issues too. See if you can see other property values for the road for similar houses which have been reonvated. I don't think you are going to make a killing tbh, if that is what you are after.

Nancy66 Wed 28-Nov-12 16:09:23

Madbuslady - not an office block as such, but the fairly modern building on its right looks like offices.

The house on its left looks like it probably is flats

Narked Wed 28-Nov-12 16:09:36

It seems they bought it in 2007 for £350k.

Also, it looks like all (nearly all) the other big houses on the street are split into flats.

ATourchOfInsanity Wed 28-Nov-12 16:12:51

St Leonards is OK - nothing amazing. Has a bit of a rep in parts but generally I think of 'boring' as it is mainly older generation that live there. Depends what stage you are at. There is a good school nearby, a couple actually I think but I would deffo go and have a look at shops etc first, as a few years back it only had a small selection. Hastings has more now, but again also dodgey areas, despite the media Old Town hype.
Lovely house though smile

Nancy66 Wed 28-Nov-12 16:17:32

...how can you see the garden?

it's not an office block - just 70s style housing on its right (being a bit dense at using Streetview)

That's interesting Narked - thanks.

I think I need to spend the day in the area. We have the world's worst neighbours where we are now would be awful to move and get the same again!

HullyEastergully Wed 28-Nov-12 16:17:50

There is lots happening in St Leonards tho, and lots earmarked to happen. There are grotty bits, but they aren't frightening grotty bits iyswim. Depends what you want.

ATourchOfInsanity Wed 28-Nov-12 16:20:46

Not sure if you have kids or interested in the schools around, but if you are here are the local top GCSE ones I was thinking of:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/special/education/school_tables/secondary/11/html/eng_maths_845.stm?compare=

Nancy66 Wed 28-Nov-12 16:21:43

Yes, 7 year old and 3 year old so schools important. Thanks ATourch

OwlLady Wed 28-Nov-12 16:25:22

a lot of places on the coast have drug problems, high unemployment and deprivation unfortunately sad

I personally wouldn't buy in an 'up and coming' area in a recession unless you are okay with living there for a long time and not making any money on the property, but that goes for lots of places now

it's a lovely house. There is water ingress in that one room though (I presume you have noticed!grin)

Narked Wed 28-Nov-12 16:28:48

If you're thinking of that area, rather than just that house, you could always make a weekend of it. Look at a few different places nearby and get a feel for them.

ATourchOfInsanity Wed 28-Nov-12 16:29:45

They keep on saying about electrifying the train line to Hastings too, so could help the area (and prices), plus Hastings Pier just got lottery funding to be re-built so don't judge that bit too harshly when you go there smile

NotQuintAtAllOhNo Wed 28-Nov-12 16:29:59

Look at the room with the big binocular, quite a bit of water damage?

Looks like it will be very expensive to renovate, but if you put a cheeky offer in, and spend some of the surplus from house sale, IN ADDITION to saving quite a bit in case you change your mind.... Go see it

MadBusLady Wed 28-Nov-12 16:30:45

I'm in the maps tab and zooming in on the satellite view. Because of the tower and the 70s housing next door it's pretty easy to spot which house it is. It looks like the garden is 30-40 foot?

OwlLady Wed 28-Nov-12 16:31:10

I am perplexed by the minton tiled room. Why is it tiled all over? is it a chapel?

iwantanafternoonnap Wed 28-Nov-12 16:33:01

St leonards is pretty rough. High deprivation, high suicide rate, high unemployment, high murder rate too plus quite high level of child abuse. I am sure it has it's nice bits though grin

MadBusLady Wed 28-Nov-12 16:33:40

That was what I first thought it looked like, OwlLady! Maybe it's an old-school bathroom. As in, so old school there isn't any plumbing and it just used to be where the tin bath was kept.

ATourchOfInsanity Wed 28-Nov-12 16:33:48

I'd say if you like it get them to do the work before completion. You don't want to be in the cold in a new area with builders you don't know traipsing about.

I'm imagining turning tiled room into a wetroom!

AmberLeaf Wed 28-Nov-12 16:36:19

This one is ready to go

The tower one is lovely, but the Cloudsly rd one would give you parking at least!

AmberLeaf Wed 28-Nov-12 16:37:01
Nancy66 Wed 28-Nov-12 16:39:28

From the English heritage website:

EDWARD ROAD 1. 5204 St Leonards TQ 8009 22/582 No 11 (The Towers) II 2. C1840 house in Italianate style, originally called 'The Campanile'. Two storeys stuccoed with rusticated ground floor and mansard slate roof. To the rear is a three storey tower with upper storey a wood and glazed belvedere with hipped roof, which accounted for the original name of the house, and further forward an octagonal clock turret. Parapet and moulded eaves cornice. Balustraded band above ground floor. Some sashes with verticals only, an oriel window and ground floor canted bay. Some Venetian style triple round- headed windows separated by columns. Round-headed doorcase.

The house contains a most interesting and complete interior of the period including Carrara marble floored hall with inset of the dog of Pompeii, elaborate plastered over mantels and cornice, and painted ceiling with 'putti' and monochrome panels and portraits. The other ground floor rooms contain a white marble fireplace covered with fruit and flowers, an oak panelled study with carvings and Wedgwood plaque in the ceiling, and a carved door, possibly C17 depicting the story of Diogenes and a mythological scene, presented to the owner by Swedish soprano Jenny Lind during her stay in the house while she was visiting Hastings. Staircase of Carrara marble with mahogany handrail and brass banisters. One of the first floor bedrooms has an ornamental gilded and painted fire-place consisting of a pediment supported on two pillars, about 8 feet high and 6 feet wide, and a room with a painted ceiling with Grecian scenes,and walls painted in fresco similarly with Grecian scenes. The outlook tower has walls painted in fresco with Chinese scenes. This house is included for its very complete interior of the period.

OwlLady Wed 28-Nov-12 16:39:51

if you have crap neighbours i would go for detached as it takes away the anxiety, but maybe I am getting old smile

MadBusLady Wed 28-Nov-12 16:40:17

I LOVE that second link, Amber.

I love it when floorplans are so ridiculously big you'd be living in a game of Cluedo.

Nancy66 Wed 28-Nov-12 16:41:07

that first one is lovely Amber

second is part of a larger country house which puts me off a bit

OwlLady Wed 28-Nov-12 16:41:49

so it was a bell tower?

HullyEastergully Wed 28-Nov-12 16:43:15

The second of Amber's isn't in a good place tho. Yours and her first are better located for Norman road and seafront.

MadBusLady Wed 28-Nov-12 16:45:05

Ah, I see why no-one's buying it now. As well as all the usual sash window/original plastering stuff they make you do at Grade II you'd have to preserve/restore all those features in the listing including the original frescos in the tower that's riddled with damp. That is a proper, proper labour of love.

It's sad though, because nobody will buy it at that price and so the frescos will eventually disintegrate anyway. Sometimes protection is a bit of an ass.

AmberLeaf Wed 28-Nov-12 16:48:45

Yeah I think if I had to spend that much, Id want detatched too.

I think the second one looks nice and solid though. That would be a fab house to play hide and seek in grin

Nancy66 Wed 28-Nov-12 16:49:18

..ahh that prob explains why someone attempted a rennovation and then gave up half way through.

Hassled Wed 28-Nov-12 16:50:01

If I had the money and the desire to relocate I would be putting an offer in on that place faster than a speeding bullet - I LOVE it. It has history, character, a tower for God's sake - Nancy, you have to buy it.

Narked Wed 28-Nov-12 16:52:02

If you're going to take on a huge, old house you need a touch of obsession and love.

Hully could give you more streets to look at.

Nancy66 Wed 28-Nov-12 16:52:48

I keep picturing myself writing from my tower and gazing out to sea....

DP is working overseas at the moment. I need to view it before he comes home and pisses all over the idea with his annoying common sense and practicality.

Narked Wed 28-Nov-12 16:55:05

I love the idea of random Swedish opera singers presenting you with architectural salvage.

Hassled Wed 28-Nov-12 17:58:46

Nancy I keep thinking about that bloody house now - if you don't buy it, I'm going to have to uproot kids, abandon inlaws, jack in my job, say au revoir to friends and move to St Leonards. I don't even know where St Leonards is. For the love of God, save me and buy the thing.

Nancy66 Wed 28-Nov-12 18:10:21

Be funny if we end up in a bidding war!

RedHelenB Wed 28-Nov-12 19:15:31

looks gorgeous!!

Rhubarbgarden Wed 28-Nov-12 20:13:26

Oh wow, what a beautiful house. A shame the garden is so small; that would be the deal breaker for me. It would be amazingly rewarding seeing all those features renovated and preserved for future generations. You'd have to get some real specialists in, but it would all be do-able as long as you had money to flush down the loo throw at it.

heylottie Wed 28-Nov-12 20:57:37

There's a lot of, I think, unjustified fear about St Leonards. I grew up in Hastings and my mum lives about 5 minutes from that house. So - I am biased!
There is no doubt that there are really shabby areas, but genuinely there are some streets which wouldn't look out of place in the sharper parts of West London.
Big houses, wide streets, garden squares, two minutes from the beach. St Leonards has a bit of a trendy enclave (Norman Road), funky cafes, over priced antique shops. (also tramps, drug addicts, peeling paint but there you go)
I visited mum a couple of weeks ago and went to a 'Jumble Sale' in a school hall. Dahling you couldn't move for lovely trendy mummies and their vintage wares, all very friendly and warm (and selling overpriced vintage but there you go).
Go on and see it on a crisp sunny winter morning. Ramble around and then have tea in the Old Town. So much for your money and as someone who once lived on the dodgiest estate in south London, the crime and shabbiness isn't any concern.
Let me know if you want more pointers as to where to go!

cabbageandbeans Wed 28-Nov-12 22:39:28

It is a lovely house. Can't comment on area, sorry, but yes. You must spend a day and if it needs it, more! We moved out of london and I did zero research. It has turned out ok but I made a BIG mistake with the schools! I think the area is more important than the beautiful house, so check it out.

ogredownstairs Wed 28-Nov-12 22:39:57

I think that particular house has been on for ages. I had a patch a couple of years ago of thinking we should move out of London and buy a fab house on the coast for much less, and I'm pretty sure it was on then. It is lovely though.

Nancy66 Wed 28-Nov-12 23:02:13

ogre - yes it has. I check every month or so to see if it's still there and it always is.

Rhubarbgarden Thu 29-Nov-12 21:15:39

Cabbageandbeans makes a good point. Our previous house was a beautiful house in a shitty area. I'd fallen head over heels in love with that house and thought I could tolerate the location for it. I was wrong. After six years we moved, and made location the priority this time. I still miss that house, a bit, but I'm SO relieved not to live in that area any more.

Nancy66 Thu 29-Nov-12 22:52:30

Where was it Rhubarb? Not Hastings?!

Rhubarbgarden Thu 29-Nov-12 22:54:18

No! South east London.

Nancy66 Thu 29-Nov-12 22:55:21

I lived in Catford for a while. I'm working on the basis that nothing could EVER be as bad as that again....

StickEmWithThePointyEnd Thu 29-Nov-12 23:06:08

Is that a microwave in the alley next to the house in the first picture?

Feckbox Thu 29-Nov-12 23:06:33

go for it Nance

ATourchOfInsanity Thu 29-Nov-12 23:07:20

You've got me looking at properties with towers now! Just found this one in Scotland, bit bigger but needs a lot of work no idea why I am posting this for you as doubt you'll be off to Bonnyland!
www.zoopla.co.uk/property-history/garrion-tower/wishaw/ml2-0rr/21680291
It's on the at risk register for Scotland and no internal pics, which is a shame.

ATourchOfInsanity Thu 29-Nov-12 23:09:52
Nancy66 Thu 29-Nov-12 23:13:13

Stick - looks it. Well spotted. Wonder if that's thrown in.

That's a beautiful house ATourch - how come it's two vastly different prices in the two links?

ATourchOfInsanity Thu 29-Nov-12 23:14:51

It has been 'made fit mortgage purposes' apparently so looks like all major works done. It has a wine cellar, snug, library and turret room too.
<Itches feet>

Nancy66 Thu 29-Nov-12 23:16:02

we could wave to each other from our towers.

Any house without a tower now looks wrong to me

BettySuarez Thu 29-Nov-12 23:20:21

How peculiar - I have also been obsessing about this house even though we are not planning on moving and if we did, it wouldn't be to that neck of the woods.

Tis a fab house though grin

I saw it listed for sale last year so I reckon there's some room for negotiation?

Rhubarbgarden Fri 30-Nov-12 20:17:12

Oooh that Scottish one! I'm a total sucker for turrets. Why didn't I buy a house with a turret? Why? Why?

digerd Fri 30-Nov-12 20:42:44

That last house looks like it appeared in a horror film - and those tiny windows and darkness from the huge trees - scary!!

jakesmith Sat 01-Dec-12 23:20:57

st leonards is not great tbh, pretty run down, to get a picture of it, stay there on a saturday night & go out in the town for a meal, walk up to the house, see if there are people making a racket, loitering etc, or if it feels homely. A roperty that size will be expensive to do up, and then run (heat etc) but it does have huge potential to make a lovely home

Rudolphstolemycarrots Sun 02-Dec-12 16:33:01

have you put the post code into upmystreet.com ? will give you all the crime stats, schools etc ..

Rudolphstolemycarrots Sun 02-Dec-12 16:34:42

it looks typical sea-sidey road to me.

LadyKooKoo Sun 02-Dec-12 20:57:23

I don't know anything about the area but I did look at the sold prices on rightmove and about 95% of the properties sold are flats. In my experience this brings the area down but perhaps that is only round here (Birmingham). I would suspect that the only reason this isn't flats is due to it being a listed building.

Nancy66 Sun 02-Dec-12 21:01:39

LadyKooKoo - I'm sure you're right. The house it's attached to is definitely all flats and looks very run down

LadyKooKoo Sun 02-Dec-12 21:03:38

Also, I am not sure is anyone else has posted this from Zoopla but the property was sold in 2007 for £350k. Given that 2007 is just before the crash, I would be interested to know what condition it was in then to justify such a price increase in a declining property market.

LadyKooKoo Sun 02-Dec-12 21:07:19

Sorry for the multiple posts but it also sold in 2002 for 180k so would guess that the condition when it sold in 2007 wasn't too bad at all.

LadyKooKoo Sun 02-Dec-12 21:09:52

Found this from 2010 marketing, it really shows off damp in tower.

EdgarAllanPond Sun 02-Dec-12 21:21:26

that's a beautiful wreck there.

i think the price isn't appetizing though - otherwise it would have shifted.

if you want it negotiate very hard indeed.

EdgarAllanPond Sun 02-Dec-12 21:32:58

searching in that price bracket brings up some ealy lovely places in that area

like ths

EdgarAllanPond Sun 02-Dec-12 21:34:06
EdgarAllanPond Sun 02-Dec-12 21:36:05

i rather fancied this one myself though that is totally blowing the budget smile

EdgarAllanPond Sun 02-Dec-12 21:37:36

i'm currently obsessed with a house that is sold STC to someone else.

i live in hope.

our sale goes through in the new year - if we'd snagged our buyer a few days sooner that would have been ours - arg!!

Nancy66 Sun 02-Dec-12 21:46:50

Thanks for posting that LayKoo - yes the tower looks ridiculed with damp.

I think the price hike is due to the fact that there has already been quite a bit of refurbishment in the lower part of the house.

Edgar that oast house is amazing!

TalkinPeace2 Sun 02-Dec-12 22:02:53

be very wary of Zoopla - its data set is very incomplete at the moment as it does not include any houses sold to or by companies or any house sold after reposession and many houses sold at auction - those being the ones excluded from the Land Registry data

in a rising market it meant that Zoopla under estimated 'values'
in the stagnant / falling market it means that many people have inflated views of what things are actually selling for

OhDearNigel Thu 29-Aug-13 21:22:54

Hi Nancy
The house is sold now, I saw this thread today and had a smile to myself as DH and I would dearly love to buy it. Its just round the corner from us so I drove past on my way back from work. Covered in scaffolding

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