SATs Results

(44 Posts)
EndOfPrimary Wed 09-Jul-14 19:17:56

Anyone else's DC get the SATs result you and they expected - and are desperately sad?

All that hard work didn't actually pay off after all sad

gymboywalton Wed 09-Jul-14 19:19:21

We don't get ours until Friday.
What did child get?

goats Wed 09-Jul-14 19:53:32

my dd got a three, she has improved massively , has put so much work in and she tried so bloody hard for a four and so deserved it so is a bit fed up. sad

Rainicorn Wed 09-Jul-14 19:56:30

Ds1 got his yesterday. He got the results he worked towards so we are pleased.

Sorry your DC didn't get what they wanted/deserved.

MrsKCastle Wed 09-Jul-14 20:07:14

In the nicest possible way... No-one should be desperately sad over a SATs result, especially if they have worked hard. And 'all the hard work hasn't paid off'- are you sure about that? They haven't improved at all? No step up in confidence, no better at spellings/mental maths/reading this year?

3, 4, 5- it's a bloody number, it doesn't tell you a lot really, especially with children who really really want to succeed, because often they're the ones who struggle to stay calm in the test.

Look at your child and your child's work and confidence - can you see progress? That's what matters.

And I teach Y6, I've worked bloody hard all year and yes, I'm a little sad that some of my pupils didn't get the result they've worked for. But at the end of the day, on it's own, it just doesn't matter.

EndOfPrimary Wed 09-Jul-14 20:14:26

That's what I'm most upset about - the attitude from her teacher and SENCO.

I'm not sad about her SATs result. I'm sad that she's going up to secondary with this level of attainment.

I'm sad that this is all she is capable of age 11.

And so is she.

Progress is not what matters. Bring able to cope in secondary is what matters.

Her teacher and SENCO were absolutely and totally clueless about what secondary schools like. But, unlike them, I have DC at secondary and I do know what it's like.

MrsKCastle Wed 09-Jul-14 20:49:58

That is a different matter then- your OP made it sound as though you were basing your judgement of what she has achieved this year purely on a SATs result.

I can understand why you feel sad if you are concerned about her overall level, but I think you're wrong to say that progress doesn't matter. It does matter- low attainment but having made huge progress is a very different thing from low attainment and no progress.

It sounds like your experiences with secondary school have been very poor- is your DD going to the same one as your older children?

EndOfPrimary Wed 09-Jul-14 21:03:01

I haven't had bad experience with sec school. My older DC are doing very well there. But the notion that I can help with hw etc is ridiculous. The notion that talking to the SENCO will help is ridiculous. I won't even know what her hw is. And the SENCO most certainly won't be interested.

My exp is you have a dozen teachers of which some will be good and some will be bad. But none of them wil know your DC very well because they only teach them a couple of hours a week and they also teach hundreds of other kids. This is reality. Nothing to do with it being a good or bad school.

Why does it matter how much progress she made in the last 12 months? It's totally irrelevant. There have been years of poor progress and years of not poor progress. Makes no odds now. I can't see why it matters if Y6 was a good year or a bad year. What conclusion would you draw from either answer?

She's not 'that bad'. School think she's fine and are very happy with her results. She certainly won't get any help at sec.

LynetteScavo Wed 09-Jul-14 21:13:03

The notion that talking to the SENCO will help is ridiculous. I won't even know what her hw is. And the SENCO most certainly won't be interested.

I find this worrying. Or maybe I'm very lucky at the school DS1 attends. Have you even contacted the secondary school SENCO yet, to gauge their response?

DS2 won't get his results until Monday. If he hasn't done well I will ignore them. I might even be tempted to lie to him. shock I know how well he can read/write ect. A number won't tell me anything I don't already know.

He won't be set until Y8 at secondary school. Time for them to figure out just what he is/isn't capable of.

EndOfPrimary Wed 09-Jul-14 21:17:24

I spoke to the SENCO at the open day and she told me not to worry because they had very good teachers.

I too know how well my DD can read and write. Like I said SATs result was expected. But it's still sad.

Her current teacher and SENCO aren't concerned about her. And they've done the transition stuff to the new school so why would the new school be concerned?

MrsKCastle Wed 09-Jul-14 21:22:16

You say you haven't had a bad experience of secondary school, but the picture you paint is very bleak. Not all secondaries are like that.

They should be supporting children of all abilities, including level 3 and below. Have you tried contacting them about your specific concerns? How did they respond?

As for progress- a child who is making excellent progress can continue to do so with the right support. A child who has made little or no progress for some time clearly needs a new approach/further intervention etc.

EndOfPrimary Wed 09-Jul-14 21:23:40

It's not her levels I'm upset with. It's her standard of reading and writing. Which is above the 'needing help' level But still inadequate.

I can quite confidently say after listening to her read tonight.

EndOfPrimary Wed 09-Jul-14 21:26:06

She's not a level 3. She's a level 4. Still reads and writes really badly though.

MrsKCastle Wed 09-Jul-14 21:26:06

X-post. If your child is on a level 3, the new school will be concerned because she's below where she should be. If she's lower than a 3, they'll certainly get the SENCO involved.

If she's on a 4, then she's where she should be, so no, they won't be concerned- but they'll still monitor her closely because schools have to show they are meeting the needs of every child.

gymboywalton Wed 09-Jul-14 21:29:26

Saying all this about a child who is a level four is really as and insulting to the vast majority of kids who get a level four and do perfectly well.

EndOfPrimary Wed 09-Jul-14 21:30:08

They monitor closely. Get reports 6 times a year. I already know her target for her oct report.

None of that helps the fact that she reads and writes really badly.

EndOfPrimary Wed 09-Jul-14 21:33:15

I'm not insulting other level 4 kids. I think most kids who get a level 4 are far more literate than my DD though. A L4 tells you very little about the pupil. There is a world of diff between scraping a 4c through lucky guesses and getting one mark off a 5 on a bad day.

My DD got a 4 and is a bad reader and writer.

EndOfPrimary Wed 09-Jul-14 21:37:45

She got 3 for SPaG.

EndOfPrimary Wed 09-Jul-14 21:38:21

Which was totally expected. Despite being on interventions.

Hakluyt Wed 09-Jul-14 21:38:59

Can I ask why you think she won't get any help at secondary school?

PandaNot Wed 09-Jul-14 21:46:03

My ds is exactly the same, he's in y5, got a 4b at the end of the year in reading but he can't read. He's been taught how to pass the test. His spelling is atrocious and he wouldn't be able to spell an of the words on this years test. His writing in General is just awful but he'll get a level 4 next year. I understand completely what you mean. I worry how he will cope in y7.

EndOfPrimary Wed 09-Jul-14 21:46:42

Because she's a 4 in reading and writing. And because primary didn't tell sec that she needed help.

EndOfPrimary Wed 09-Jul-14 21:50:13

Panda thanks. One person who understands.

I don't know what Y7 will be like. I don't know if she'll cope or not.

I'll just have to wait and see.

MrsKCastle Wed 09-Jul-14 21:52:54

The secondary school teachers will very quickly find out what she can and can't do.

In the meantime, here's a radical suggestion - how about starting a new thread asking how you can best help your Y6 daughter, who needs support with reading and writing before making the transition to secondary? You might find that a much more pleasant and useful thread for everyone.

EndOfPrimary Wed 09-Jul-14 22:02:14

I know what to do to help her. I need to continue the interventions I've been doing with her at home this year that have helped.

Sec may find out what she can and can't do. Doesn't mean they can help. Sec school teachers don't know how to teach reading and spelling. They expect you to start secondary school literate.

Sec use the same interventions at school as primary. The ones she's already completed. The ones that aren't run by teachers.

Although the new thing they use is accelerated reading. Which I'm really dreading.

Hakluyt Wed 09-Jul-14 22:09:14

"They expect you to start secondary school literate"

Well, they certainly don't at our school- there are loads of interventions for literacy and maths, rehanging from intensive one to one work with a specialist to group work to sitting with a volunteer practising. Have you talked to the secondary school about our needs?

reup Wed 09-Jul-14 22:42:52

If she is in interventions at primary - surely they have informed secondary. My son has problems with spelling and handwriting but scraped a 4c in both. I wonder if the scribes spelled things for him! But his new school know about ths despite him having no interventions at primarybschool. They are going to do some computer test to work out where his phonic gaps are. Can you contact the senco directly?

EndOfPrimary Wed 09-Jul-14 22:57:10

I have never ever had a good experience talking to a SENCO.

I'd rather not talk to her new one than risk having an upsetting conversation where the SENCO trots out cliches and displays her ignorance.

DD will be there for 5 years. With 6 reports a year. Plenty of time to talk if I have evidence she can't cope.

And if she does cope and make progress then I don't need to talk.

Of course school can always contact me if they're concerned.

Hakluyt Wed 09-Jul-14 23:04:22

Ah. Well through gritted teeth I will point out that many of the interventions in secondary school are initiated and run by the department concerned and not by the SENCO. But hey, why not just let your dd go in without any prior discussions about what might be helpful for her, and without any support? Why not wait for the things she finds difficult to show themselves after she has bust a gut trying to do it on her own when there is help available? Then you can come on here and post about how crap the school is. That'll be helpful for her.

EndOfPrimary Wed 09-Jul-14 23:11:36

Surely school know more than me about what might be helpful to her in school. And school have already talked. They told sec what interventions she was on this year.

What do you think I'll be able to achieve? What do you think I'll be able to suggest?

Remember I'm just a parent. Not someone schools respect.

Hakluyt Wed 09-Jul-14 23:17:13

"I know what to do to help her. I need to continue the interventions I've been doing with her at home this year that have helped. "

Well, for a start, you could tell them about this.

EndOfPrimary Wed 09-Jul-14 23:20:48

Primary have already done so.

I don't want DD on interventions at school that I can do at home.

gymboywalton Wed 09-Jul-14 23:26:26

this is one of the most depressingly negative threads i have ever read

EndOfPrimary Wed 09-Jul-14 23:30:21

Gym - my experience of primary school has been 100% negative.

I truly am hoping sec will be better.

Picturesinthefirelight Wed 09-Jul-14 23:33:03

My dd is high achieving.

Her high achieving primary were oblivious to the fact that she needed help in certain areas.

After transferring to secondary but Christmas she had been picked up on, put on the sen register all staff informed of her specific difficulties.

At the end if year 7 we have a report suggesting she may be on the autistic spectrum

Secondaries can be better at giving support than primaries

ElephantsNeverForgive Thu 10-Jul-14 00:04:23

Please, speak to the senior school SENCO, honestly they have far far more idea how to help than primary, where SENCO is often just a hat a teacher wears. Senior school special needs teachers and TAs choose to work in that dept. They actually understand what dyslexia is. DD got to Y6 before primary had a clue.

They can't work miracles, but they do care and they do try.

Also remember Ofsted is breathing down schools necks. Under the new rules progress counts for as much as results. Lower ability DCs not making progress and reaching their targets is a huge black mark.

Yes, there are still individual teachers who don't seem to get the need to help all their pupils and there are pupils who don't help themselves, but generally it's way better than we were at school.

HoneyDragon Thu 10-Jul-14 00:09:04

How depressing, Ds got a 3 in the test. His reading is a five, but he simply cannot write at the speed they required him to.

It will come. Threads like these really bum me out though sad

lougle Thu 10-Jul-14 01:01:43

I get the impression that you don't want 'help', you just wanted somewhere to vent your frustration and concern?

It's hard if an assessment implies your child is 'fine' but you know they struggle.

EndOfPrimary Thu 10-Jul-14 07:58:12

Just seen in her report that 'she is on ORT level 14 - which is at

EndOfPrimary Thu 10-Jul-14 07:59:44

Sorry. Posted too soon.

Report says 'she is at ORT level 14 - which is at national expectations' yet OUP site says level 14 is for 8-9 year olds.

insanityscratching Thu 10-Jul-14 11:16:21

Endofprimary is there a learning support unit at the secondary your dc will attend? Dd and indeed all year six have sat reading and spelling tests in anticipation of entry into secondary and it is these that determine whether they receive support from learning support rather than SATs results.
Dd has a statement and so will receive support as a matter of course even though she got 5s in her SATs and the results from the reading and spelling tests confirmed she won't need literacy support and the numeracy test she will sit will stream her and her peers for maths again rather than her SATs result.
I would really advise that you speak to secondary and ask what support your dc might get.

tobysmum77 Thu 10-Jul-14 11:37:10

Is dd on the sen register? Has she ever been tested for dyslexia and dispraxia?

I used to teach secondary and sometimes the milder cases are not apparent until they are older.

PastSellByDate Thu 10-Jul-14 15:32:29

Hello all:

I'm still waiting on KS2 SAT results for DD1 - strike has inevitably caused delay and I suspect based on school staff behaviour results aren't good generally.

What I will say about these test results - as others have - is it's a snap shot and children being children - they could have been having a bad day/ falling ill/ stressed out/ frozen/ etc... - in other words it's not the full picture - it's just a moment in time.

Having had bad results in the past (NC L1 on Teacher assessment across the board at end KS1) - can I sincerley say that having a bad result is not the end of the world - it's a warning shot - that there are troubles (for whatever reason) - and it's a good thing that you're alert to that fact.

It's not a foot race - it is a very individual mountain climb - and every child has their own 'hurdles' to scramble over - some may have attention issues/ learning difficulties, some may be battling illness, some may have had a run of poor teachers/ subsitutes, some may have been bullied all year, some may just be struggling generally, etc....

The hint is in the name - Secondary - it is a second bite at this apple and many places expend a lot of energy in KS3 bringing weaker pupils 'up to scratch' and working with struggling pupils to identify the underlying reasons.

It doesn't mean that every school will turn this around - but if as a parent you know that your child is struggling a bit - you now have to evidence to ask those hard questions at parent/ teacher meetings, to ask what interventions they actually are putting in place - in other words you have permission to 'push' on this.

Good/ bad/ otherwise - The result is one thing - but the effort is very definitely another. If the teacher is saying your DC couldn't have worked harder, if s/he is saying they're very proud of them and think they're starting to turn things around, if they're encouraging you to keep up with the reading and maths over summer - LISTEN..... and be proud.

Sure it means there is a mountain to climb - but with you backing them - my gosh they can give it a go - and just might do it.....

Badvoc2 Thu 10-Jul-14 15:38:37

I would agree.
Ime primary's are dreadful at focused personalised intervention.
It can get better at secondary.

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