Another thrilling book band question re white/level 10!

(39 Posts)
tiredbutnotweary Tue 01-Oct-13 12:42:01

For mums of children reading white/level 10 books (or beyond if you can remember back to when they were reading at this level) - how quickly do your DC get through them?

Last night DD had a play date and did no reading homework shock wink grin

She squeezed in 1 chapter this morning. If we did this every night then it would take 4 nights for her to finish the book.

Which got me wondering - are other DC reading this sort of book more quickly (DD still likes to peruse the pictures, chat about things and laugh at the silly jokes, so to read all four chapters would probably take about half an hour+).

Periwinkle007 Tue 01-Oct-13 12:47:55

it depends what book it is. What is the title/make?

DD is on white. Unless she's really into the story we can't get through a whole story at bedtime any more, but that's ok by me. The talking about the pictures/chatting stuff is brilliant too.

tiredbutnotweary Tue 01-Oct-13 12:54:37

There're from a range, mostly Big Cat Collins I think, with 4 chapters, about 25 - 30 pages (I think), some pages with a small amount of text and others with a decent amount.

This sort of thing.

DeWe Tue 01-Oct-13 12:55:15

Once they were onto chapter books then I often would get them to read the first chapter to me, and read the others to themselves.
And then we'd discuss the books afterwards. All mine have problems with wanting to finish any book they start asap.

tiredbutnotweary Tue 01-Oct-13 12:55:39

Thanks IHeart!

thestringcheesemassacre Tue 01-Oct-13 12:57:10

We do them in 2/3 sittings.

mimitwo Tue 01-Oct-13 12:59:45

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Periwinkle007 Tue 01-Oct-13 12:59:48

Is it a treetops allstars one? (guessing because you said 4 chapters) They are 48 pages? is that right?

probably read in 1 night, more like 1.5 if a lot of text. but she likes to get school books done so she can do her own books. The ones she is currently getting which are a higher box in her school are old small chapter books of 48 pages and she reads them in under 20 minutes including discussion time, admiring the pictures (she LOVES pictures and artwork)

our school say 20 mins reading a day and IF she likes the book and IF she is keen then she can read an awful lot in that time. if she DOESN'T like the book then she would read more slowly and chit chat a lot more and 'remember things she needs to tell me' etc.

Some people do read slower than others, no reason for it, they just do. I would probably expect a 48 page book to be a 2 night read at this sort of level but it does depend on the amount of text, some have many more pictures than others, some have smaller font etc. I think one danger with some early chapter books is the chapters are short but 1 chapter seems a good amount to read. Think back to how long it would have taken her to read say ORT stage 8 Magic Key which if I remember right is 32 pages, about 4 sentences a page. if that was a 2 night read then the all stars books probably are a 4 night read. If it was a 1 night read then try and look at the equivalent amount of text in the allstars book and you will probably find it is about 2 chapters. Is this making sense? Some of it is psychological I think, you think you have done a chapter thats great but in reality it is less than they were reading before.

I would just decide an amount of time to read for - depending on age, 20 mins is suggested in our Yr1 and then stick to that (although wave it if tired or nearly end of chapter or whatever) and just see how much she covers in that time rather than a set amount of book. some pages will be full text and others will have virtually no words. I also noticed on some that the last chapter is quite a bit longer than the first couple.

Periwinkle007 Tue 01-Oct-13 13:02:31

ah ok - completely different books to the ones I am referring to then, ignore me.

I get my daughter to read to me if it is a school book, if a home book she can read to herself if she wants to but she enjoys reading to us and I think it helps as she can ask what words mean or about different sentence structure etc as and when it comes up.

redskyatnight Tue 01-Oct-13 13:09:43

Depends.
With DS we read them tortuously a few pages a night (he hated reading). So they could take weeks.

With DD she would read aloud to me for about 10 minutes and then finish the rest off herself (so we'd get through a book a day).

sittinginthesun Tue 01-Oct-13 13:10:28

Depends on the book. DS can read about 8-10 pages of a ruby level book outloud before he's had enough. He sometimes reads more in his head, but if it's a non fiction, he prefers to read it to me as he likes to chat about it.

This week he has a history book. It will probably take four nights reading, but he'll be an expert on the Tudors by the end!

shoutymcshoutsmum Tue 01-Oct-13 14:20:09

Our school also recommends 20 minutes a day. Time works better for us, than a specific volume.

sheridand Tue 01-Oct-13 15:51:56

We read a chapter a night, if the chapter is about 3-4 pages. Sometimes more, sometimes less. If it's a book he likes, we'll read more. Usually we read it together, I'll do a page, he'll do a page, then we'll talk about it. Saves it getting stale. He's only 6, I don't want to "kill" reading for him just yet, and some of them are really boring!

Looksgoodingravy Tue 01-Oct-13 16:09:31

Ds is currently on White Band and tbh has recently wanted to read to himself, I've discussed that he still needs to read at least part of the book to me as we need to practise expression and talk about comprehension. If he reads out loud to me, depending on the story, we can read a few chapters a night but this is after him being in Kids Club etc, he's shattered some nights.

Just out of interest when did your dc start to read more to themselves and what was your dc teachers reaction. I've broached the subject to ds teacher and she seemed happy to let him read part of the book but that ultimately reading out loud to me was the whole point of reading at home.

I don't want to spoil his enjoyment though and would like to encourage him to read more to himself. He loves comics and car magazines and will sit and read quite happily.

Looksgoodingravy Tue 01-Oct-13 16:10:13

*Practice

Looksgoodingravy Tue 01-Oct-13 16:11:15

So since being on white band we can maybe read three books a week.

tiredbutnotweary Tue 01-Oct-13 16:29:28

Well that's all very reassuring - thank you!

Periwinkle007 - the latest one is a Treetops Stage 10 more stories, pack b, and is 31 pages long.

DD can read quite quickly (unless dealing with a new word obviously) but I don't like to chivvy just to get the story read in a more reasonable, iykwim?

Thanks again everyone.

pointythings Tue 01-Oct-13 18:40:54

Both my DDs would read these at a sitting, including reading most of them out loud to me and some in their heads. But as has been said above, not all children read at the same speed. Book devouring DCs have their disadvantages in terms of frequent library trips and groaning bookcases.

Periwinkle007 Tue 01-Oct-13 19:23:18

If she reads quite quickly (when interested - and that is the key part with half these books) then I would go with a rough time and see how she gets on. Some of the Treetops ones are pretty good, some are rubbish. The Allstars ones seem quite nice though. Does she get to choose (from a limited selection no doubt)?

juniper9 Tue 01-Oct-13 20:46:47

Looksgoodingravy practise was correct

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Periwinkle007 Tue 01-Oct-13 20:56:12

if you do need to chivvy along a little just say something like 'oh I can't wait to see what happens next' or 'oh this looks exciting' and act like you are reading it in your head yourself - they then want to find out what happens.

freetrait Tue 01-Oct-13 23:02:25

We did/do a mix of things- sometimes took 4 days or more (record was 2 weeks I think grin. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Or...as others have said sometimes we shared reading the book, so he read some, I read some. They change their books twice a week so 4 days is ok really.

Actually I think I have been more inclined to share recently now he reads longer chapter books, (although still get a fair few white books, I think KS1 library is well stocked with these smile. DS often doesn't have the stamina (particularly during the week) to read it all himself. I quite like sharing books like this.

Just do what works for you. As long as she is reading enough then job done. DS tends to read the shorter books himself now, but longer ones are often shared..... unless it really grabs him and then he will just keep reading until finished, hooray!

freetrait Tue 01-Oct-13 23:03:20

I think the guide line is 10 minutes to listen to, so I wouldn't do more than this unless you and she are very keen!

Cat98 Wed 02-Oct-13 07:19:40

Oh dear - ds is reading similar books at the moment and its taking us about a week! He reads a few pages a night. He's still not that keen on reading though. He'd never sit and read it to himself!
He still loves being read to.

sheridand Wed 02-Oct-13 08:05:26

I wouldn't worry Cat, the response on Mumsnet is never indicative of the real state of reading in the classroom! In most Year 2 classes, the reading will range from White or ( rarely) above, down to Green. Children on Mumsnet are usually mini-genius! They read War and Peace by age 9. A week is about right, for most of the children on that level in the classes I know. At 6-7 years, most children far prefer being read to than otherwise. And it's still really valuable to do it.

Looksgoodingravy Wed 02-Oct-13 11:30:15

Thanks Juniper grin I was rushing my reply whilst at work and it just didn't look right - d'oh blush

Periwinkle007 Wed 02-Oct-13 14:36:05

Cat that is fine if that is how he reads. There isn't a right or wrong and a lot of children are reading white level before they are at the age they are technically aimed at.

I am surprised at people sharing the reading of school books though, I always thought school reading books were for the kids to read themselves. If she reads a home book then I might share it with her if she wants me to but a school book is for her to read. They go up a chart for every book they read so if I shared reading it with her she would read more books more quickly so would move up the chart quicker. She is very proud of herself when she finishes a book herself. We are co reading Iggy and Me at the moment but that is a home book not a school reading one.

beanandspud Wed 02-Oct-13 23:01:30

We aim for about 10-15mins at home so DS generally finishes a book every day or so. He reads to the teacher every day so, for example, tonight he had read 5/16 pages at school and read the rest at home.

When we've had longer or chapter books it takes a couple of nights, he is happy to get through his school reading book so that we can have Horrid Henry in bed grin

Cat98 Thu 03-Oct-13 07:53:13

Thanks. My ds must be the only kid not taken with horrid Henry. His school book this week is a horrid Henry book and he still is not motivated to read it - he can read it, it's not that it's too hard. He just faffs about and moans 'can we stop now' every other page. Argh!

Periwinkle007 Thu 03-Oct-13 09:48:30

if he doesn't like it Cat then I would try just writing in his book 'he isn't enjoying this book so read ..... instead' We had a book early in the term my daughter really didn't write so I wrote that and they wrote back that was absolutely fine.

Cat98 Thu 03-Oct-13 14:03:30

It's the same with most books though periwinkle - he likes it if I read to him, but the act of reading he just doesn't enjoy. It's the same whether its an easy book, hard book- whatever. He will do it, but it's clearly a chore. However there aren't many books he doesn't want to be read by dh or I. It's like he's just too lazy to read them himself!
Has anyone had a similar experience but its suddenly clicked and they've grown to enjoy reading independently? Or is he just going to prefer doing other things?

Sorry for the thread hijack, I will start a new one if that's better.

Periwinkle007 Thu 03-Oct-13 14:13:07

does he like non fiction? I don't think it is unusual, especially with boys, to not be as keen on reading themselves. How old is he? I don't think reading has to be fiction, it can be short stories, poetry, plays, non fiction, looking through a thesaurus. There will probably come a time when he will suddenly decide he wants to read a chapter book himself for fun but if he would prefer to read non fiction in the meantime then it won't do him any harm, it is still valid reading. Some of the Usborne books are brilliant. my 6 yr old loves the Usborne See Inside books.

Cat98 Thu 03-Oct-13 14:52:24

Thanks. yes, often a non fiction book or magazine captures his interest, and yes he loves them when we read them to him, but if he was flicking through one himself he'd probably look at the pictures then beg us to read it to him!

He's only 5 so I'm not worried about his reading ability, just a bit sad that he doesn't seem to enjoy reading and also a bit concerned that he won't continue to improve if we don't try and get him to do more. But I don't want to push it!

I think we'll just keep reading him a variety of books, keep doing his school reading at the pace he's comfortable with (ie. slow) and hope that one day he will discover enjoyment in books!

DS is on ORT level 9 and his teacher said 10 mins a night ideally, but less is fine if they are tired. It's more important that they enjoy it and it isn't a chore. The books are taking us 2-3 nights. His school move them up when they are ready, not when they've read all the books in the level.

Periwinkle007 Thu 03-Oct-13 20:34:55

If he is only 5 but getting Horrid Henry books as school books then he is fine and he won't lose his ability to read.

freetrait Thu 03-Oct-13 20:36:06

Cat, he's only 5!- my DS is nearly 7, there's a huge difference in terms of maturity and development. I think the 5 year olds who both can read fluently and and want to do so independently are far and few between- yes they do exist and certainly they do on mumsnet, but actually 5 is very young to be reading longish books by yourself, or any books really!

It has certainly come with age with DS, and I wouldn't push it. He sounds quite ahead for his age in terms of what he is reading, and I think sometimes they jump ahead in this but haven't got the stamina/motivation to actually keep reading to that level. At this point I think it's best to take a step back and read easier books that can be enjoyed. This time last year DS read quite a lot of Blue Bananas, the Happy Families series and other books that i could have said were "too easy for him". But they weren't, they were appropriate for what he needed and could enjoy at that moment. A few months later he made a leap forward in terms of stamina and was happy with short chapter books.

So.... I would say for his reading find what he can enjoy reading and do that. Take a step back re the actual reading "level" and "improving", that can wait.

sheridand Thu 03-Oct-13 20:40:29

Cat, he is nigh on the same as my DS ( only just turned 6) and he's not keen on the effort and tedium involved either. For what it's worth, i've just come back from a parents evening in which they said it was fine to back off and read the Hayes manual for a Kawasaki Ninja if that's what he wanted. His inference, understanding and comprehension are excellent, he's just young, and bored of the books.

Just back right off and read for fun. I find non-fiction is the way to go.

simpson Thu 03-Oct-13 21:05:03

My DD (yr1) is very strong in reading but she prefers to read to herself as she can read quicker (her words) I do listen to her read out loud every day (and her older brother).

The book she got this week was 62 pages long and unfortunately she left her book bag at school a couple of times this week so we were not going to finish her book by tomorrow (when they are changed) so I let her finish it by herself. It would normally take us a week (maybe slightly less) with her reading it out loud to me every night.

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