When would a child born on the 1st Sept start school

(47 Posts)
cantdecideonanewname Thu 29-Aug-13 09:49:14

My DH and I were discussing when children were born and when they started school. I'm expecting at the moment and baby is overdue so wondered if the baby wasn't born until 1st September would that mean they would start school with the children born at the very end of August or the following year.

I was unsure because the only information I could find said children started school the September after their 4th birthday but the school term usually starts around 5-6th September so wondered where the cut off actually was.

Hope I've made sense.

I'm sorry if this has been done many times before, I've done a search and didn't find anything relevant.

NickNacks Thu 29-Aug-13 09:50:13

The cut off in 31st August. My dd is 2nd and will start a day or so after her 5th birthday.

snice Thu 29-Aug-13 09:50:45

They start school the September they turn 5

NickNacks Thu 29-Aug-13 09:51:40

They need to be 4 on the 31st August to start that September,

AnneUulmelmahay Thu 29-Aug-13 09:52:44

Yep cut off is 31 aug (england)

Bonsoir Thu 29-Aug-13 09:53:06

Better to be born on 1 September than 31 August!

Hold tight!

They'd be the oldest in their year. 31st August b'day makes them the youngest.

LackingNicknameInspiration Thu 29-Aug-13 09:54:12

Presuming that cut off points/starts are the same as our education authority... a child born on 1 Sep would start school a full year after a child born the day before, on 31 aug.

Which does sound a bit mad. Your local county council website will have details. But if your DC turns up on Sunday or after, you'll have an extra year with them at home. My DC1 is an October birthday and I quite like this!

Good luck with the birth and first few weeks!

BeeBawBabbity Thu 29-Aug-13 09:54:23

They would be oldest in their class, I think the cut off date is August 31st. Mine was born 3rd sept and started the day she turned 5. (Unless you're in Scotland)

I've found it to be a good thing that she's the oldest, a year does seem to make quite a difference at that age.

hatsybatsy Thu 29-Aug-13 09:56:16

one of our nct group was born 2 weeks early (in late August) and started school a whole year before the rest of them.

Reception was hard (for the arly starter) but he's in his element now (year 4).

cantdecideonanewname Thu 29-Aug-13 10:02:38

Thank you very much for your replies.

That was what I thought then got myself in a muddle over it.

Would like to hold on, 3-9 days overdue depending on which set of dates we use.

Weegiemum Thu 29-Aug-13 10:08:13

In Scotland it's the calendar year but has flexibility, though no one starts school until 4y5m at earliest - mine were 5y6m, 5y6m and 4y9m which seemed very early! The older 2 could have gone a year earlier but here we can defer without skipping a year.

I'm a secondary teacher and especially for boys, being that bit older in S1 is better ime. So ds just started p7 at 11 and a half and I'm delighted about that.

Hold on if you can!!

AnneUulmelmahay Thu 29-Aug-13 10:18:52

My friends son is 4 today. Starting sch on tuesday nxt week. Hold tight, cross legs!

shelley72 Thu 29-Aug-13 10:22:21

31 August is the cut off. It's a right pain for birthday parties, just to warn you! But glad that ds obliged by waiting for September!

TickleMyTitsTillFriday Thu 29-Aug-13 10:32:53

It doesn't matter you know...

In Wales we have three intakes (September, January and April) so a child born in September would start Reception in the January after he turned 4 and spend 5 terms in that class.

DS1 is a September baby (and now almost 11) and being the eldest in the year does seem to have been an advantage.

zzzzz Thu 29-Aug-13 10:37:06

Mine was meant to be early Sept but arrived early. Nothing but positive for us as she is a very schooly sort of girl.

ggirl Thu 29-Aug-13 10:40:12

Ds was due on august 31st , so many people advised me to cross my legs ..I hadn't even thought about school etc . He ended up arriving sept 11th and in hindsight probably a good thing for him being older in the year.

JetSetWilly Thu 29-Aug-13 10:44:02

Being the eldest or youngest doesn't matter when it comes to schooling, it really depends on the child. It makes me sad thinking lots of posters (already) think this is a problem.

Good luck with the birth!

TenToWine Thu 29-Aug-13 10:45:36

A friend was born in August and was apparently one of the oldest in her scool year. She is from NI and i think the cut off there is either 30 June or 31 July although may have changed since she was at school. She lives in England now and says she is glad she was brought up in NI as she much preferred being old in her year.

BlueStringPudding Thu 29-Aug-13 10:59:18

DS was due in late August, and I was quite keen to have him in August so that he went off to school earlier - partly because he had quite a big age gap with his older siblings, both DH and I work, so another year of childcare was a factor. I even had an induction when he was a week overdue, to try have him in August - it failed, and he is a September baby.

As a very early September baby myself, and with DD1 also being September, and DD2 being summer born - I think there are pros and cons. DD2 is a very hard worker - she's had to be to catch up with her older peers. However this approach has resulted in her having a very good work ethic, and great GCSE results this year. In fairness DD1 can work hard too, but she is a bit more laid back, and tends to leave things to the last minute more - a trait I share.

DN1 is early September, and DN2 is late August. DN2 is by far the most academic - so there are a lot more factors that influence things than whether a child is born in August or September, so I wouldn't worry either way.

Good luck..

Yeap 31st August is cut off. DD was born 17th September so will be nearly 5, she is desperate to go now and looks at the school uniforms. It was very sad in July as all her best friends at pre school left to go to school she is the only one left sad

cantdecideonanewname Thu 29-Aug-13 12:43:19

I honestly didn't intend for this to turn into a August born children struggle at school thread, of course that's not the case. I myself was born in August and together with my first school being terrible I really did struggle and didn't do very well, my DD was born in January so in the middle for age and she struggles even with extra home help which I never received.

Baby will come when it wants, I have zero control over that.

Thanks for the well wishes with the birth.

Deffodil Thu 29-Aug-13 12:58:56

My DS2 was born on the 2nd of Sept. The school took him in a year too early and he had to redo the whole of the reception year again. The gutless school told me on the last day of term. He was doing fine as well.

SmallFarAway Thu 29-Aug-13 13:12:40

TentoWine, Cut off in NI is 2nd July.

My niece is the eldest in her year in NI with a 7th July birthday. My DD is 29th June so will likely be the youngest when she starts school.

Lonecatwithkitten Thu 29-Aug-13 15:18:54

I actually know someone who told the midwife to take a running jump when she was asked to push at 10pm on 31/08. She was determined to wait and managed it partly because her daughters are 12 months apart with 1st and 5th of September birthdays.

Vietnammark Thu 29-Aug-13 15:43:21

I was born on 1 September and was the oldest in my year. I used to be a keen chess player, but couldn't represent my school team and enter competitions for my year because the cut off date for chess was 1 September rather than 31 August.

My chess master who was also a local chess administrator managed to get which ever chess federation it was to change their cut off date to coincide with the school year, but it took a few years to do this.

When I took the eleven plus I was told that I had to do better than all the other children in my class as they would be given additional marks because they were younger than me. Does this still happen?

thegreylady Thu 29-Aug-13 15:58:06

My ddil was born on 31st August and dd on 6th August-both excelled academically and socially from the start.

Littlemousewithcloggson Thu 29-Aug-13 22:16:42

A colleague of mine has twins.One born just before midnight on 31st August and one after midnight (so on the first). They are 2 now and, doing it early because of the implications, she is already having a major battle with the council to allow them to start school at the same time!!

CrispyFB Fri 30-Aug-13 19:08:50

It would be nice if for August and September babies, parents were given discretion over which school year they went for. DD1, mid September, would have been fine in the year above and was desperate to start school. DD2 at that age would not have been ready. You know your children best!

Hulababy Fri 30-Aug-13 19:16:10

CrispyFB - that would be good. So any child born between 16th August and 15th September would be able to chose which year they started maybe.

Lonecatwithkitten Fri 30-Aug-13 19:48:28

Littlemouse there is precedent to hold a child down a year I know one one who has just one a case with our district council.

upjacobscreekwithoutapaddle Fri 30-Aug-13 19:57:20

My ds is a 1st September baby and starts reception next week. Went into hospital on the 31st and my husband, who is a teacher (this somehow got dropped into convo) was scolded for his bad timing. I was examined and midwife declared 'don't worry dad it'll be a September baby'. At that point in time I would have given my left leg to have had an august birth. What will be will be! And best of luck.

CrispyFB that's a brilliant idea, my DD turns four mid September and is desperate to go to school and is so ready. I am dreading taking her to pre school next week when all her little friends have gone sad

BoozyBear Sun 01-Sep-13 00:27:48

ds was born very early september and is the oldest in his academic year... he's nearly 12mo older than the youngest, he was also already 5 when he started reception as the term didnt start until AFTER his birthday!

As others have said, the cut off is 31aug/1 sept.

littlemiss06 Sun 01-Sep-13 08:09:39

My lads were due at the end of October but arrived 31st August so babies in their class, they have done well though but I think it would be better to be older :-) (did you hold on till September I wonder? )

Meglet Sun 01-Sep-13 08:21:19

havetowearheels DD is an early september birthday but also lost lots of nursery friends over a year ago when they went off to school. And sods law most of her 2013 school-leaver group had spring / summer birthdays so she's been light years ahead of them. It's been a strange year as she could have sailed into school and started quite happily last year. At one point I did rant about putting a uniform on her and sending her into reception class to see how long it would be before they noticed as I'd had enough grin.

cantdecideonanewname hope whatever happens (or has happened) goes well.

pooka Sun 01-Sep-13 11:04:42

It's my ds2's 4th birthday today! So he will be starting school next year aged 5 and a bit.

Personally, I am pleased that he will be the oldest. He is no way ready for school yet - seems so young still. He is the youngest of 3 and very much a 'baby' to us. But - the downside is that being the youngest he naturally gravitates to older children and when he goes back to preschool all of the children he talked about will have left and gone on to school.

Ds1 is early September too. He really needed the extra year at home because he was a bit socially immature despite being very very ready academically.

Dd is a July birthday. She has never had any issues with school, is doing very well. She started in January because the lea still had two formal entries at that time.

She will be sitting selection tests in a couple of weeks and my understanding is that the results are standardised according to age, so if she gets the same raw score as a child born in September, compensation is made for her comparative age. Obviously that will be great for her, because there is no indication that her age has any impact on her performance. On the flip side, the adjustment takes Into account the fact that research does show that it can be necessary. I'm not sure how I feel about it, because looking ahead, ds1 will fall foul of the adjustment and thinking about it, tests based in knowledge acquired should surely recognise that a child born in September hasn't any more had extra time in school and also hasn't been taught 'more' than a child born in July iyswim. But that's prob just me being selfish! smile

LIZS Sun 01-Sep-13 11:10:55

So any child born between 16th August and 15th September would be able to chose which year they started maybe. Trouble is you then get parents of children just outside this period wanting the same "rights" and it mushrooms ! I'd be interested in research from other countries with a different cut off date, as to how their youngest perform relative to oldest, academically and behaviourally. Sometimes I think we instil a certain expectation in the younger ones to do less well.

Meglet it is frustrating isn't it. DD is at a pre school that is a charity, it is not affliated to the primary school she will hopefully go to (our catchment school). They rang me in January as I had her name down for it when we got the state funding and offered me a place but I said she was happy where she was. In hind sight I wish I had taken the place for this September as I think she has now out grown the pre school she is at, she will now be surrounded by younger children which she has no interest in sad

junkfoodaddict Sun 01-Sep-13 16:20:09

So glad DS was born 30th December. if he had been born on his due date in January, he'd start Nursery a term later in April but can now start in January meaning he has five terms of Nursery before he starts Reception whereas his little friend born in August only gets three terms. Summer born children are at a disadvantage because they get two terms less of 'free' education than their year group peers.
Even if they stay in nursery until the term they begin 5 - resulting in 5 terms of nursery, they will then only get 1 term of reception.

I taught a Y2 class and did some research on the class I had. ALL summer born children were in the lower groups and predicted level 1s or 2cs in the summer because they had 2 terms less of education than the autumn borns who were, excpet one child, in the top set.

Elsienc Thu 26-Sep-13 15:08:40

Hello - has anyone had any success with appealing for a child born in early September to start school a year early?

My son was born on 1st September 2010 (2 weeks overdue), so is due to start school in September 2015 when he is already 5. Around the time of his birth, I was quite pleased as everyone said what an advantage it would be. But I no longer think that.

He is my second son, and only 20 months younger than his older sibling. My older son is bright and physically very capable for his age, and the younger one seems to be only about 8 months behind him developmentally: I get asked on a regular basis if they are twins. He is also part of a very close circle of friends who are due to start school in September 2014. They have played together on an almost daily basis since they were born, attended the same toddler groups and now attend the same nursery together. They are also all very likely to attend the same school.

I'm not a particularly pushy parent, but I think it's going to be far more damaging for him to wait until 2015 to start school when all his peers are starting a year earlier. He likes his nursery school, but he's going to be bored silly doing a second year there. His nursery teachers agree that he will be more than ready to start school in September 2014.

I've written to the council about it and received the expected standard response, so just starting to look into whether we can appeal and how to go about it. Any advice very welcome.

Periwinkle007 Thu 26-Sep-13 16:12:44

I don't think you will manage to get him in a year early Elsienc unless you pay to go private. My daughter was due mid August but was very early september and yes that extra year at home was a pain and yes she could easily have coped a year earlier and would probably easily cope with the year above now (she is yr1) but whilst I would in some ways have liked her to be the year above I can only imagine the pressure put on a child in that situation. When I was at school there were 3 children who were put in the year above where they should be in Yr1 (that was entry level at the school). In Yr2 2 of them were kept down to join our year, in Yr3 another one was kept down to join us.

LIZS Thu 26-Sep-13 17:06:50

I have friends who sent dc privately so were able to advance their Sept born a year. It hasn't been plain sailing and led to direct comparisons being made between the two as they were in consecutive year groups, shared interests, clubs and friends. Elder in particular struggled to get an identity and became frustrated .

Ihatespiders Thu 26-Sep-13 19:18:09

Has anyone heard from OP to find out when her baby did arrive? :-)

BirdyBedtime Fri 27-Sep-13 12:55:56

So any child born between 16th August and 15th September would be able to chose which year they started maybe.

You know having the flexibility causes problems too. We're in Scotland where Jan/Feb birthdays can defer (and even some Dec ones do too). In our area it is virtually expected.

DS is a mid-Jan birthday and DH and I were keen for him to go to school and after much agonising decided he's start this August. We've had such negative reactions from many other parents some of whom implied we'll have done him untold harm by starting him so early. There is a boy in the same year 13 months older than him. I would much have preferred not to have the option to decide.

Incidentally 5 weeks in he is loving it and the teacher mentioned the other day that he is one of the most mature in his class (he is the youngest), so I'm happy we've made the right decision

NewBlueShoesToo Fri 27-Sep-13 13:07:29

I heard about some twins who were born one on the 31st August and one on the 1st September, but were minutes apart. Goodness knows what will happen when they get to school age but there is more flexibility in the system now than before.

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