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## Help with summer homework?

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burstingbaboon Mon 29-Jul-13 09:57:08

Can someone help me ?
I just can't solve the problem:
find the product of 9 and 14, if 9 is factor of 27?

NoComet Mon 29-Jul-13 10:01:40

9x14=126
And 3x9=27
But whether that's what the question is on about heaven knows, it makes no sense to me.

Mon 29-Jul-13 10:04:36

Product means multiply.

Factors are numbers that divide exactly into another number e.g. the factors of 12 are 1, 2, 3, 4, 6 and 12.

Prime numbers only have 2 factors, itself and 1 e.g. 11.

Mon 29-Jul-13 10:05:35

However - I also don't really understand the question.

burstingbaboon Mon 29-Jul-13 10:11:39

Thank you so much!
Still confused!!! That's the thing - I DON'T know what am I supposed to do?!
I could cry!!! Trying to solve this for the past 3 days and the question is as it is !! Very confused...
Thank you all soooo much!!!

NeedingAPayrise Mon 29-Jul-13 10:15:25

Doesn't it mean: IS 9 a factor of 27? Is it a typo?

the "if 9 is a factor of 27" is either irrelevant or a different question, imho.
as you've posted in primary, it's presumably not supposed to be a trick question
two separate issues. as others have already said, product means multiply, which appears to be the first part.

at primary level we teach/explore factors of a large number, for example 48 is an easy one, and the children see if they can find all the factors (2,4,6,8,12,24 etc)

very odd wording...

burberryqueen Mon 29-Jul-13 10:18:09

write 'this question does not make sense' in red pen

ben5 Mon 29-Jul-13 10:18:56

If it's primary school homework that has been set for the summer holidays I would bin it.!!! It's HOLIDAY time. If they say you have to do it then they can't complain about you taking the kids out of school during term time!!

burstingbaboon Mon 29-Jul-13 10:29:24

Even more confused!!!!! It is under "Multiply or divide", it's a y6 homework-we have to do it because she wants it on the first day of y6 to be handed in or detention will follow { I am serious} !!!! It's a whole booklet full of tasks- if I don't start now she wont manage to do it- when I say there is a lot -I mean it!!! Some parts are easy but some just like this question -just plain confusing!?!?
I wrote a question as it is-no more no less!?
Another one we just got stuck is - If the answer is 20 how can I combine these digits :2,4,3 and 8???
Did you get work over the holidays? My other dd(different school) didn't get anything

burberryqueen Mon 29-Jul-13 10:33:16

hell of a demand for primary school and do they really give after-school detentions? i would be tempted to leave it and say 'bring it on'.
as for the last q., what about 3 x 4 = 12 plus eight is 22 minus 2 is twenty?

burberryqueen Mon 29-Jul-13 10:34:05

oops no
that doesnt work.
something like that anyway

RabbitsarenotHares Mon 29-Jul-13 10:41:40

The only thing that makes sense to me (though this is very long winded...):

27 = 3*9

14 = (4*3) + 2

14*9 = (4*(3*9)) + (2*9)

= (4*27) +18 etc

ie using the fact that 3*9 = 27 to make the sum 'slightly' easier, instead of having to do long multiplication

But I'd rather do long multiplication, myself.

And I have nothing to do with education, so I may have missed the point spectacularly. Apologies if so!

burstingbaboon Mon 29-Jul-13 10:44:01

I would like to do that too ,but I don't want her to feel odd one out in not doing hw.
Yes, believe me,they do give detentions and they are very strict when it comes to it!
Part of me feel sorry for DD , she is really trying so hard ,bless her!!!!
Thank you to all of you lovely mners, for your help and advice!!!!!!
Not sure what is my next step-where to look for the answer!?!?!?!

burstingbaboon Mon 29-Jul-13 10:46:24

Thank you RH! It means so much when I am on the brink of screaming loud (and it's only 10-47am on Monday morning)......

Picturesinthefirelight Mon 29-Jul-13 10:49:35

That's ridiculous and dd wouldn't be doing it

The summer holidays are being spent dancing!

Last week - dance school bi annual show
This week residential dance summer school
Next week put on a show in a week summer school
Week after - holiday
Week after - ballet summer school
Week after - bank holiday.

I'd send a note in saying holidays are for bring on holiday nor homework. Tough titties!!!!

MrsBottesini Mon 29-Jul-13 10:49:36

in the head's office with a letter of complaint on the first morning back (and maybe see if HT approved the said workbook?)
I did not give my class holiday homework (the clue is in the word "holiday") and none of my own three dc got any either.
Personally I would strangle speak to the head.

Picturesinthefirelight Mon 29-Jul-13 10:50:43

Plus I work full time so not all kids will have parents able to do this I'd they are in child are/ holiday clubs.

NobodyPutsTomArcherInTheCorner Mon 29-Jul-13 10:58:01

Just write on it Dd hasn't been taught this yet.

Then enjoy the holidays.

Their job to teach it. Homework to reinforce/practise; not teach it from scratch.

Holidays are holidays.

burstingbaboon Mon 29-Jul-13 11:05:28

I know!!! I work 3 full days and it's just mentally draining!!!!!!

RabbitsarenotHares Mon 29-Jul-13 13:23:36

As I said, my "explanation" may have nothing to do with what they're after, but it was the only way I can make it make sense. And I remember a friend explaining the "new" way of teaching multiplication many years ago (breaking everything down to units and tens, and multiplying, then adding it all up again at the end) which seemed to be cause more bother than it saved, so this may just be an example of that.

But I dunno. Just leave it and let the teacher teach it when your DD goes back, maybe?????

burstingbaboon Mon 29-Jul-13 13:35:48

Thank you so much. I will have to leave it for now,otherwise i will really go
insane . There is another task- to make 20 using 2,3,4 and 8 only once.
I am starting to doubt in my knowledge - i just can't do (what i thought simple) maths. Just can't work it out!!!
Is there anyone who is using tutors? I do understand now why parents turn to extra help! My DD daughter level in maths is 5B but i can tell it's probably not realistic 'cause i would think she should be able to do her hm unlike her DM who needs to take and calm down........

RabbitsarenotHares Mon 29-Jul-13 14:41:27

2 + 3 = 5
8 - 4 = 4

5*4 = 20

(I won't admit how long I've been staring at that!)

burstingbaboon Mon 29-Jul-13 14:54:00

OOOOOMMMMGGGGGGGG
I REALLY COULD TAKE YOU OUT FOR A DRINK (I DON'T DRINK) BUT I WOULD HAVE
I just cant believe you actually did it?!?!?!?!?
HOW????? I didn't stop working on that and just couldn't do it - i mean it -THANK YOU ........SUCH AN ANGEL.......

BackforGood Mon 29-Jul-13 14:56:31

I'm in the 'holidays are holidays' camp, and would be quite happy to tell the school so.
I believe that as both a parent and a teacher.

PeterParkerSays Mon 29-Jul-13 15:02:34

but that uses 4 twice doesn't it?

PeterParkerSays Mon 29-Jul-13 15:03:53

Sorry, I've just realised you're using the answers multiplied together....

RabbitsarenotHares Mon 29-Jul-13 16:23:13

No probs! It was quite fun, in an annoying kind of way.

I just kept scribbling on random bits of paper. Tried using Excel, but could see it getting complicated.

I don't like the question as you are using the 4 to give a 4, but it's the only way I can find. How old is your dd btw? Can imagine something like that would be really frustrating for them if they can't 'see' it straight away.

Am going to the pub tonight (rare occurrance) so shall raise a glass to you and your dd. Enjoy the rest of the (maths-free!!!) holidays!!!!!

trinity0097 Mon 29-Jul-13 16:40:22

Guess and put a number down, doesn't need to be right! It doesn't make sense to me, and I'm a Maths teacher!

Mon 29-Jul-13 18:32:47

Blimey. I'd be writing deliberately random answers in the ones I had no idea about. No, strike that, I'd be writing deliberately random answers in the whole bloody booklet. They want homework done? Homework is done. End of.

Runningchick123 Mon 29-Jul-13 19:39:41

8-4 *( 3+2) = 20

Mon 29-Jul-13 19:54:16

I'm with pointythings they can't give detention for a wrong answer, just put some attempt in then enjoy the rest of the holidays. Mad school giving homework in holidays. I turned down the opportunity to take a bean plant and diary camping round Scotland one half term. Teacher was a little taken aback but a holiday is a holiday.

FannyMcNally Mon 29-Jul-13 20:23:55

So the answer to the first problem is 126 because 9 IS a factor of 27. Or have we solved that one?

BabiesAreLikeBuses Mon 29-Jul-13 20:50:11

Have they just mentioned factors to flag up mental methods being used ie 3x3=9 so you could do 3x14x3 in your head? Question v poorly worded, i teach y6 maths and am not sure what it means!

burstingbaboon Tue 30-Jul-13 00:29:45

Good evening everyone!!!! I was so busy so didn't manage to come back!!!! Thank you all one more time!!!
That's what i am confused about-can't get the sense of it except we can use x or : and that's it.
Not sure if it is a trick question because i would just do 9 x 14=126 but what other part of the question/statement has got to do with it????
Question is really presented in a very ill way!!
You made me laugh POINTYTHINGS ha-ha,maybe i should tell my DD just to write random answers because i am really fed up! And to make the matters worse ,we just started-when i say we have a lot to do - i mean it !!!!!!!!!!
RANH , my DD is 9 and a half and she will be going to Y6 from september!! Did anyone else's DC get homework over the holidays?????
I am off to rest , tomorrow (today ) i have to wake up at 6am and will be back home only after 8pm so wont manage to post it until late!!!

Tue 30-Jul-13 00:36:27

This reminds me of a chapter in "the magic faraway tree" where dame slap asks "why is a blackboard?". I agree, just write a random answer and ignore the badly worded question.

Tue 30-Jul-13 18:03:18

OP, my DD2 is going into Yr6 and the only homework she has is to make a scrapbook. It is compulsory but there are no guidelines, so we will be keeping it very, very, very minimal as I am deeply opposed to holiday homework. (this comes as a complete surprise to you, no? )

DD1 is going into Y8 and has no holiday homework at all. Both have been asked to keep reading during the holidays and I definitely support that - fortunately they both love to read but I'd enforce this even if they did not.

BackforGood Tue 30-Jul-13 18:08:36

No Bursting none of mine have ever had homework over the holidays.
Well, the one inbetween his L6th and U6th Year I presume ought to be doing his own "reading around" but never any before this.

burstingbaboon Wed 31-Jul-13 09:39:49

and everything got deleted!!!
I love reading and I always encourage my
DD's to read but even I think this hm is
just too much and some parts are very
confusing!!!!
Another thing which worries me is that half of
my older DD class is having tutors?!?!
When do you look for tutor?!?! School
is putting lots of pressure because of SATS
and now - with this confusing homework- I am
starting to have a doubt am I doing things in
the right way!!!!
She is good in class ( AFAIK) , her levels are
5B, 5B and 5B!!! But how realistic is that if she
is having problems with homework?!?!? O what a summer?!?!?

burstingbaboon Wed 31-Jul-13 09:44:35

Sorry for the way i wrote posting. I was on my phone so it came out like that^^^^^^^ sorry!!!!

Picturesinthefirelight Wed 31-Jul-13 14:03:19

In my opinion tutors are only needed if a child us having specific problems & needs specialist help or if they are going to be taking a grammar school entrance exam & the school don't do any practice papers (just to familiarise the child with the format of the exam) or if the school font cover the requirements for a selective school.

Tutoring for Sats is quite frankly ludicrous. Poor poor kids.

burstingbaboon Wed 31-Jul-13 14:29:35

I think it's madness what parents are doing in my DD's school. It's RC school,average results but the way they are dealing with things you would think it's one of the top primary schools in London.
It's just everyone is almost having a tutor so i think i lost confidence and
can't reason anymore what is right what is wrong! But thanks to MN i am back to sanity!!!!Feeling much calmer!

Thu 01-Aug-13 18:20:41

Your DD's levels show she is doing really really well, absolutely no tutoring required.

Schools are under stupid pressure about SATs though, so perhaps yours is anxious about what will happen in Yr6? DD2's school has just been downgraded by OFSTED (aka Gove's Poodle Squad), in part because their Yr6 cohort did not do well in their SATs. I'm amazed they haven't sent home a lot of homework for us. However, since they don't do detentions (detentions in a primary? Really? Whose bright idea was implementing that?) we would have recycled it.

alanyoung Sat 17-Aug-13 15:54:46

It's rather strange to say, 'If 9 is a factor of 27', as though there are situations when 9 is not a factor of 27.

Loubelles Sat 17-Aug-13 21:45:19

Thats an awfully worded question from my understanding its asking you to find the lowest common factor so I'd say the answer is 3.

I'd say the answer is 3 because 9 x 14 is 126

9 x 3 is 27

So 126 / 3 = 42 so the common factor is 3

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