KS2 SATS - did anyone at your school get Level 6 reading??

(117 Posts)
kitnkaboodle Tue 16-Jul-13 23:18:59

.. just wondering. I know it's very rare across the country. Our school entered 5 pupils and none of them got it

littlemiss06 Tue 16-Jul-13 23:22:13

My daughter also went for level 6 but she got a 5A very proud of her but none of the kids in ours got a 6 either.

Verycold Tue 16-Jul-13 23:23:54

None here.

Movingtimes Tue 16-Jul-13 23:27:36

Three in ours.

chickensaladagain Tue 16-Jul-13 23:28:23

1 at ours

8 sat it

peachpudding Tue 16-Jul-13 23:31:46

is that the same as last year?

Movingtimes Tue 16-Jul-13 23:34:19

Nationally it was 3% last year.

LadyPeterWimsey Tue 16-Jul-13 23:35:25

DD did. About 3 or 4 others sat it, but I have no idea whether anyone else got level 6.

frazzledmamma Tue 16-Jul-13 23:47:41

none in ours, only 3 for maths

kitnkaboodle Tue 16-Jul-13 23:54:00

Well done those who did. I think it must be incredibly tough.

Movingtimes - wow! what kind of school??

parachutesarefab Wed 17-Jul-13 00:02:03

4. (58 children in the year, don't know how many tried L6.)

Lizziegeorge Wed 17-Jul-13 05:33:31

Get rid of it, more to primary school than SATS, the secondaries don't like or want it and a five is a good result! Poor children, too many being made to take it who aren't ready, hence the very low success rate.

Feenie Wed 17-Jul-13 06:56:45

It was NOT 3% last year - teacher assessment was 3%, but the actual test was less than 0.5% nationally.

tiggytape Wed 17-Jul-13 08:26:51

I think there is a place for it as long as it is used as intended i.e. only the children who are securely and consistently working way above level 5 sit it.
As it is however, some schools seem to enter the top 10% or 20% or the entire class for these papers and then cram the children for the exam with work they've never even seen until March of Year 6.
A level 5 is the expected level of a Year 9 child. A level 6 would be a decent grade for a 14 year old so expecting 10 year olds to achieve this unless they are truly working 3-4 years ahead (and covering the curriculum of a 14 year old too) is too much. Constantly upping the ante in Year 6 is unnecessary given that a level 5 indicates a child working well above the level expected of them.

adeucalione Wed 17-Jul-13 09:24:56

Our school entered the top third (about 35 pupils) for the L6 papers (reading, spelling and grammar, maths). They had extra sessions at lunchtime, after school and instead of assembly, PE and drama.

About 10 got L6 maths and none got L6 reading or S&G.

I did voice the opinion that the L6 papers were supposed to be for those pupils already consistently working above L5 but it fell on deaf ears.

We now have clever L5 children leaving primary school feeling like they have failed - it was awful to see some crying on the day their reports came home.

Shootingstar79 Wed 17-Jul-13 09:27:19

2 L 6 reading, the same 2 children achieved L 6 for SPaG. 7 L6s in maths.
We were pleased but I don't think it will be as high next year.

Shootingstar79 Wed 17-Jul-13 09:28:35

Instead of PE! That's harsh! Ours did level 6 work in maths and literacy but no extra sessions at all.

Fizzypop001 Wed 17-Jul-13 09:32:45

6 percent of children at my sons school got level 6 in maths though

tiggytape Wed 17-Jul-13 10:05:43

It is more common to be able to achieve a level 6 in maths than English. And whilst the top 6% is great, it is still less than the top 2 pupils from each class in a year group of 60.
The focus given to level 6 is out of proportion in some schools completely to the number of children who can or should achieve it. There is no shame to the majority of super bright children getting level 5's - that is what level 5 at age 10 or 11 represents.

Redlocks30 Wed 17-Jul-13 10:33:21

No-12% got l6 for maths but nobody got it for reading/spag.

Xihha Wed 17-Jul-13 11:06:16

2 at ds's school, 15 got it for maths, dont know how many they put in for it though.

mumofthemonsters808 Wed 17-Jul-13 11:16:03

DD did not get it, but 2 in her year did. Fourteen children got level 6 in maths.

DeWe Wed 17-Jul-13 12:08:04

15% got L6 at maths this year at the dc's school. It was lower in literacy but stilll quite a few (big school)

Don't know but staff did think it was a tough one.

Marmitelover55 Wed 17-Jul-13 13:35:15

7% achieved L6 reading at my dd1's school - not dd1 though, she got a L5 and wasn't entered for the L6.

hiphapnap Wed 17-Jul-13 13:41:05

here is a link to the national results for the KS2 2012 by subject and level attained. It looks very rare to get a level 6 in the reading test 0-1% max

https://sites.google.com/site/schoolsscores/stats-by-key-stage/ks2

androbbob Wed 17-Jul-13 14:26:12

DD got a L6 in SPAG and a teacher assessment for reading as L6 but the test was L5, with a handwritten note to say she was 3 marks off a L6. 8 children were entered and I think 5 passed. She is not at the ability of a GCSE or Yr 9 pupil really, so I do agree it is not really representative of their actual ability, more the extra hours studying put in.

Choccyhobnob Wed 17-Jul-13 14:28:04

I did, but that was 17 years ago!

Marmitelover55 Wed 17-Jul-13 15:57:24

19% got L6 for maths and 3% L6 SPAG (again not dd1 who got L5). Sounds like these were quite good percentages then at our school.

peachpudding Wed 17-Jul-13 16:03:12

Is it normal to get a teacher assessment for reading at Lvl 6 but a sats level 4. Would the teacher be over optimistic or did DC just bomb out in the exam?

LadyIsabellaWrotham Wed 17-Jul-13 16:06:32

I don't think anyone from DDs class got put in for level 6 in reading/SPAG/writing - 3 out of 60 were put in for level 6 maths at the last moment without any extra tuition and AFAIK they all got it. Dreadful year though (they're onto their fourth form teacher) so the school had no time for anything extra, they were just desperate to get the level 3s and 4s safe.

spanieleyes Wed 17-Jul-13 18:55:43

25% level 6 maths but no level 6 readers, although a couple were close!

SovaMaminka Wed 17-Jul-13 19:02:55

3 here this year I think, and 5 last year including dd and ds1. The kids found L6 writing harder, though. About 8 entered (both years). A lot more got L6 maths, about 90% of those who sat it. Mostly level 5s all round at the school though, few 4s.

Marni23 Wed 17-Jul-13 19:26:28

DS also got L6 in Maths and SPaG but just missed L6 in Reading (although was teacher assessed as Level 6). He said the L6 paper was really tough-and actually I really don't think he's at that level. A high L5 seems about right to me.

5madthings Wed 17-Jul-13 19:32:13

Ds2 got level 6 for maths and level 5 for grammar/punctuation/spelling and level 5 for reading.

He was only put in for level 6 maths.

I think about six kids got the maths level six, not sure re reading.'its a small year group of about forty.

Lancelottie Wed 17-Jul-13 19:46:18

No (they entered two, but did no extra work for it).

One got level 6 Spelling/grammar.

Not sure about maths.

Lancelottie Wed 17-Jul-13 19:47:55

Very small school btw!

1/90 got level 6 in reading, 9/90 got level 6 in SPaG and 43/90 got level 6 in Maths in our school.

lljkk Wed 17-Jul-13 19:52:00

DD got 6s in all the rest on offer but not reading ( best.stealth.boast.ever.I.give.you ). She only tantrummed about the reading result for about 10 minutes. Then declared oh well it was the hardest one wasn't it (she said so at the time, too). She thinks no one else in her yr got a 6 in anything (no idea if that's true).

I was surprised because DD's literacy is what teacher's rave about, I expected her to struggle at math instead. That makes sense if math was reasonably easy this yr. She had to do both reading tests on the Tuesday after a Monday sick day so she's still an academic tiger in my book.

I'm not sure you can fairly say DD did any extra hours of study. I didn't notice, anyway. Her teacher only found it was even possible to enter them for L6 2 days before end of March term.

teacherwith2kids Wed 17-Jul-13 20:46:53

DD's school (she's Year 5)

5% L6 reading - so c 3 children
14% L6 writing - c. 8 children
12% in the SPAG
25% L6 Maths - c. 15 children

Almost no SATs prep / cramming - just normal lessons for Y6 with a little exposure to a couple of practice papers.

partystress Wed 17-Jul-13 20:59:58

fivehourssleep almost 50% L6 maths is incredible! Congratulations! Do you have any tips? I was feeling proud of 4 out of the 12 we entered getting it, but that's out of a total year group of 90 - so you did 10 times better and I am envy and sad now.

Lilyloo Wed 17-Jul-13 21:05:29

Ds got a level 6 for reading

CPtart Wed 17-Jul-13 21:06:25

DS1 got a level 5 this year for reading (end of year 5) so watching this thread with interest. Not sure what approach our school have to entering children for level 6.

partystressI'm not a teacher, just a parent, so don't really have any tips.
We are not in a Grammar area but some of the Grammars in other areas are within commuting distance so about 15% of our kids got places in those. So there is a fair bit of tutoring for the 11+ but not really for Year 6. I think the other factor is that up until a few years ago, our junior school was a middle school, so the teachers are used to teaching Year 7s.
We don't have excess homework and there were no early morning study groups or anything like that. They did do some practice papers though.
The school got 25% level 6's last year but it has outdone itself this year.
Our level 5 %s were SPaG 71%, Reading 74% and Maths 24%.

partystress Wed 17-Jul-13 22:02:38

Thank you fivehours. Think maybe the Y7 teaching experience is a real plus point. Might also be a help with 11+ if your area is anything like ours: we have just moved to a supposedly 'untutorable' new format which includes a maths element for which 'knowledge beyond the Y6 curriculum will be helpful'. The test has to be sat within the first two weeks of Y6 so I am a bit hmm about the chances of children from state primaries being able to compete on a level playing field with those from the many private schools in our area who don't have to worry about reaching floor targets...

Jenny70 Wed 17-Jul-13 22:14:39

How do you know L6's? Can't see L6 in the link hiphapnap posted... is it just word of mouth, or was it reported with the SATs results (my eldest is yr5)?

Feenie Wed 17-Jul-13 22:20:49

Reported with SATs.

* partystress*
My eldest DD sat her 11+ 2 weeks into her year 6 last September; it was early but at least it got it over with. Our school did well and got 11 girls into the nearest girl's grammar even though we are in the outer catchment area and places are limited.
I have DD2 sitting it this year when she'll be 2 days into year 6! It'll be interesting to see what happens as its going to be all down to tutoring if you are at state school!

DS2 got L6 in Maths (SATs and teacher assessment) and SPAG but not in any of the others. Same for the whole school's results.

chicaguapa Wed 17-Jul-13 22:26:30

DD got L6 in reading and there was only 2 out of 60 in the school to get it. She also got L6 for SPAG and just missed L6 on maths. I don't think there was any extra cramming, DD just loves reading and does a lot of it. HTH.

lljkk Thu 18-Jul-13 07:05:20

Well done to Lilyloo's DS. smile

One girl got level 6 reading and SPAG and she got level 6 maths as well. My DS3 got level 6 maths but that was all out of a class of 30. TBH, the level 6 wasn't really taught except for a couple of booster sessions. 5 took level 6 reading and SPAG and a different mix of 5 took level 6 maths.

Ragwort Thu 18-Jul-13 10:27:41

No idea - and how would you know apart from playground gossip? Honestly, when your child gets to secondary school you will look back on all this Sats rubbish and be embarrassed at yourselves for all your angst - and you will no doubt have something new to worry about grin.

None, although 2 sat it at DS's school 2 also sat level 6 maths and both did get that.

But mostly - what Ragwort just said, it is rubbish :D (although they published % of children getting each level in the newsletter so not playground gossip about how many achieved it, but it was DS who told me 2 sat it - and DS loved the SATS and talks about them a lot - he was not one of the level 6s, he just likes exams!)

Nevergiveinunless Thu 18-Jul-13 19:57:54

This year:
1 in reading
4 in writing
10ish in maths
Last Year:
DD and one other girl got all l6s
They were only 2 in reading.
5 or 6 in writing.
15 in maths
Not sure how I know all this!
Mine like exams too.

teacherwith2kids Thu 18-Jul-13 20:27:36

It's published in the school's newsletter, along with KS1 results and national results at KS1 and 2 for comparison - it's in % terms but easy to convert. Of course I canb't tell how many sat each and failed.

VeryDullNameChange Thu 18-Jul-13 20:49:47

DD told me how many children were taking the level 6s - it's not unnatural for a yr 6 child to be interested in who's doing what in their class, and to then tell their parents.

forehead Fri 19-Jul-13 14:54:56

As Rag said, the in a few weeks time we won't give a damn about the yr6
results and will be worry about what sets our dc are placed in.
TBH, i don't trust the SATS results, and i am saying this as someone whose dd did well.

peachpudding Fri 19-Jul-13 17:12:59

This is a strange thread. I have just got hold of the Comparative test Results 2013 and it says Nationally 0% got a level six in Reading. Now I understand if you round the results to the nearest whole number you could have 0.4% level six's, but from the posters on here it sounds like a bit more than that. Whats going on?

Nationally 3% got a level 6 in Maths.

Feenie Fri 19-Jul-13 18:02:38

The national results for 2013 won't be available until December - you are looking at 2012. grin

frogwatcher42 Fri 19-Jul-13 18:06:26

2 or 3 in ours i believe. Class of 30 year 6s though so biggish school.

peachpudding Fri 19-Jul-13 19:35:54

I was looking at the tables distributed by schools with the reports.

My mistake, those tables are hard to understand. Yes is does say 2012. Isn't it a bit misleading to compare 2013 results with 2012 results?

Feenie Fri 19-Jul-13 20:50:47

It is a little in this case - so many more schools seem to have taken up the level 6 tests in their 2nd year of reintroduction, which is strange since schools were always able to teacher assess at level 6.

Another reason for the low percentage of Reading Level 6s last year might be the ridiculous level boundary jump from the 2011 sample to the 2012 test - something silly like 19 marks out of 33 instead of 13. Although the 13 marks was the silly bit, I suppose, looking at it like that.

busymummy3 Fri 19-Jul-13 21:34:45

Why is there any need for this level 6 ?
My eldest DC finished primary in 2008 with level 5 in everything and level 6 teacher assessment in everything ( there was no such thing as a level 6 paper then if there was sure would have been sitting it )
Got in top sets for everything in Secondary which set initially on SAT raw score and kept in top sets all the way through .
Has just finished Y 11 and awaiting Gcse results in August , predicted all A / A* already has an A* in English Language achieved last summer in the midst of all the controversy over grade boundaries and achieved Maths A* in March this year no resits A* achieved on all modules first time.
My point is eldest DC didn't need a level 6 SAT score in primary to achieve all this so why on earth should my youngest DC when SATS are taken next year?
I do not want my DC to sit level 6 papers next year just want last year in primary to be enjoyable as far as possible..

Feenie Fri 19-Jul-13 21:37:35

Some schools - my own included - manage to provide a broad and balanced curriculum which is exciting throughout Year 6, even with level 6 tests. It hasn't changed, and nor should it.

lljkk Sat 20-Jul-13 11:18:13

I can honestly say, hand on heart, that DD has had a blast in yr6. Tonnes of sport & non SAT-related activity right into mid May. But then, she loves exams, so the L6 targets were a bonus.

lottysmum Sat 20-Jul-13 12:09:27

Tend to agree with busymummy.... my daughter just sat the 3- 5 papers and scored high percentage in all the tests and was accessed as reading age of 14 two years ago at the age of 9......

Her school did enter some children into the year 6 exams but they were having extra lessons some at lunchtimes which I think defeats the object...its the same for tutoring for 11 plus ...either your child has ability to pass the exams without extra work or they should not be entered because burnout is likely to happen at some stage...

We actually took a week out of school just before SATS and went to New York which I believe my daughter learnt more from the experience than she would have done in extra lessons ....she rides, she sails , she skies and has a love of books ...

She has been offered a place at the Kids Uni in the summer holiday increasing her ICT skills and doing web design etc....

The SATS tests are to access the teachers teaching ability - so surely extra tuition classes to pass the level 6 defeats the object?

peachpudding Sat 20-Jul-13 12:23:32

Whats silly is that children have to sit a L3-5 paper and a L6 paper. Would be much better if they had a L4-6 paper and only had to do one or the other.

I feel level six sats are needed, some children are academic and year 5 and 6 are a real waste of time for them. Hopefully as we get more transparency parents can force schools to teach children who are high achievers at an appropriate level. It feels like at the moment some schools put all their focus on L4 and ignore the more able children, who get bored.

lljkk Sat 20-Jul-13 14:01:14

I humbly submit that a decent school will teach to the child's ability regardless of whether an L6 test is intended. I'm 100% sure that's what happened for DD. The school only just scraped out of Satisfactory, too.

KaFayOLay Sat 20-Jul-13 14:47:34

I heard that there were only 25 children in the country who achieved a level 6 in reading.
Reading this thread seems to rubbish that number confused

Feenie Sat 20-Jul-13 14:49:46

Why does it? That was last year.

The numbers of schools taking up level 6 tests this year - in their 2nd year of reintroduction - are far, far higher.

partystress Sat 20-Jul-13 15:29:53

lottysmum the level 6 maths tests require children to know concepts and methods that are not part of the KS2 curriculum, so to some extent there needs to be teaching that is specifically aimed at the test. I'm not sure how this is at odds with assessing teaching? What is questionable is whether the results of L6 tests give you any real indication of a school's teaching or actually reflect the extent to which children at the school are being tutored outside school for 11+ or other entrance exams - many of these expect L6 knowledge. The thing I find most sad is that we seem to be developing a culture where we only value what is tested, levelled (and soon, ranked angry). I remember doing really interesting work in maths in my last year at primary - I was stretched, but not tested, which kept my love of maths alive.

lljkk Sat 20-Jul-13 20:36:55

DD's teacher said that the extra material they needed to cover was pretty minimal. Maybe he said that because he would have covered almost all of it in order to teach to her ability, anyway. In the end he only had 3 weeks to cover any extra material, so it couldn't have been very much.

lottysmum Sat 20-Jul-13 22:41:12

Partystress - Totally agree with yours comments re testing - my daughter's education in a county that has 3 tier schooling was good in year 5...but I've found that this year its all been geared to SATS in English and Maths ...interestingly enough there wasn't that much homework this year maybe because she was in a class where the children were already level 5 (4 forms)...her love for science this year has been amazing because she has been stretched but by learning rather than being geared to sit SATS

kitnkaboodle Sun 21-Jul-13 00:21:19

Well, I'm amazed, and baffled! It was such a small percentage that passed last year and, given the info here, last year's total has already been surpassed just by people on this thread.

Very very confused and will be interested to see the national stats once published. Anyone know when that will be??

pugsandseals Sun 21-Jul-13 00:24:35

Hi all, I've come to throw a spanner in the works! DD has 3 level 5's for her SATS having taken 2 out of 3 of the level 6 papers & 'failed'. She had no extra tuition for these.
However, she blitzed her entrance exam for a medium tier private school & was offered a double scholarship.
In my mind, I can only assume that the schools that get high numbers of level 6's teach to the test. Entrance papers are far more about testing a childs ability to learn.
Just my opinion. I must admit, I was initially disappointed with her level 5 scores knowing about the scholarships. But now it seems obvious to me that they sats are teaching something completely different. A bit worrying really!

Xihha Sun 21-Jul-13 00:51:59

I've always wondered if SATs are a bit pointless, especially as i know a few children who did brilliantly in the 11+ but got really low sats scores and a few that were the other way round.

Well done to your daughter pugsandseals.

lljkk Sun 21-Jul-13 08:07:48

We're all big fat liars, Kitnka. wink
Well, not me, but the rest obviously.
DD says she hasn't "learned" anything new since SATs week. So that part of the myths holds up. But she doesn't mind. Loads & loads of other activities.

Feenie Sun 21-Jul-13 10:16:30

December, kitna.

Galaxymum Sun 21-Jul-13 13:36:04

No - and it was a very bright year at our school. 21% achieved level 6 at maths and 7% level 6 at writing. Several were considered to have achieved the reading level 6 by the teacher's general assessments in class though.

Merrylegs Sun 21-Jul-13 14:06:46

Dd got L6 in reading last year. She didn't know she was going to do it and was a bit miffed she had to do an extra exam in the afternoon. I didn't see any statistics so I had no idea it was so tough to get. Will congratulate her belatedly!

florenceeexo Fri 04-Apr-14 23:31:53

actually, it's not. my daughter goes to a public school and is working at gcse level already. Don't make it sound hard to make your child sound better.... They're not hard, you just need a good mindset.

florenceeexo Fri 04-Apr-14 23:33:49

my daughter got level 6 in everything.

Feenie Fri 04-Apr-14 23:52:15

You upped a nine month old thread with a zombie warning just to boast about your dd and have a go??!! shock

Piddlepuddle Sat 05-Apr-14 00:00:47

And no doubt you need marvellous parents too, Florence!

carvel55 Tue 15-Jul-14 12:34:24

So proud my Daughter got level 6 in everything this year

IamSlave Tue 15-Jul-14 18:10:24

what do you have to read to get level 6?

Dottymum2 Tue 15-Jul-14 21:18:51

What level would be expected end of year 5 to be on track for the reading level 6? My dd has a 5B on her end of year report but her end of year test was graded a 5A. I presume this stands her in good stead but have also heard it's very difficult to achieve!!!

Diamonds70 Wed 16-Jul-14 00:30:15

My son got level 6's in the maths and S&G but not the reading! none of them got the reading.

HPFA Tue 22-Jul-14 11:51:24

In reply to Dottymum2, I did read somewhere on another thread that the Year 5 reading test is considered quite easy, and scores can come out high compared to what will be achieved in the KS2 SATS. My daughter also got 5B on her Year 5 report and I would prefer her not to sit the Level 6 reading paper next year. I don't think there is any benefit to her getting a 6 rather than a 5A ( since a 5A should get her into one of the higher sets at secondary) - I'd sooner she saved her energies for the Maths where she 's currently on 4A. All our local secondaries do their initial setting on the SATS results so I'd like her to get 5s all round if possible.

Dottymum2 Tue 22-Jul-14 11:55:29

Thank u for that.

I saw the L6 reading paper this year and even as a secondary English teacher I was astounded at how hard it was. Unnecessarily hard IMO. Minute pass rate this year.

I agree that the secondaries don't want it!

rabbitstew Tue 22-Jul-14 13:46:16

What on earth was florenceeexo's dd taking KS2 SATs for if she goes to a public school? She must be at least 13-years old. grin

PiqueABoo Tue 22-Jul-14 14:18:48

@IHeartKingThistle: Did you see last years for comparison? I ask because they raised the L6 Reading pass threshold from 22/34 to 24/34 this year.

No didn't see it.

Toomanyhouseguests Tue 22-Jul-14 16:46:36

Our school has never entered any children for the L6 reading test. They only enter them for the L6 maths test.

After skimming this thread, it sounds like it is just as well. I don't want the dc wasting their time on something that is essentially "rigged."

PiqueABoo Tue 22-Jul-14 21:21:29

It's difficult to know what an L6 Reading pass means and it's insanely difficult if you try to hold one year up against another. I believe these are the years and thresholds:

2011: 13/32 (~40%)
2012: 19/30 (~63%)
2013: 22/34 (~65%)
2014: 24/34 (~70%).

Are they effectively telling us it's become easier every year or are they making it harder to pass? Are they deliberately keeping the pass rate norm-referenced at around 0.5%? Next time some competitive parent reminds us yet again that their child passed L6 reading, should we ask them which year?

The exam has effectively been called a useless waste of money in a formal report commissioned by the DfE and I think it's an unreliable crock with serious marking criteria difficulties (something a seasoned expert I know has been quite vexed about).

Yes, I don't think you need L6 Reading at your primary school but it's obviously good to have reading for pleasure (ideally a mix of genres) at home.

L6 maths is a quite different creature and I'd be unimpressed by a school that didn't make that available to suitable children.

pyrrah Tue 22-Jul-14 21:45:21

None for reading but 3% for writing, 5% for SPG and nearly 20% for maths.

Feenie Tue 22-Jul-14 22:26:03

I send papers back for re-marking regularly, and my reports are usually upheld. I sent 3 level 6s back last year - all of my complaints were upheld, but they re-marked the whole paper again (normal) and conveniently decided there were mistakes in the marking of the rest of the paper, making the re-mark null and void.

It's a game.

SweetSummerSweetPea Tue 22-Jul-14 22:29:30

what is required reading material for level 6?

HPFA Thu 24-Jul-14 10:30:38

I'm now totally confused about the purpose of this test. If it is to test which children have achieved an objective "Level 6" why does the pass mark keep changing so much? I suspect the real purpose is to identify the 0.5% achievers in any year in which case it would be more honest to describe it as such. Like most parents I have a fair idea of where my daughter is in the year and she's definitely not in that elite - she's probably in about the top 10/15%. I suspect the school will probably make that top 10/15% sit the test - what a waste of time. Those children who genuinely are above Level 5 could surely use the time more productively doing extension activities.

Feenie Thu 24-Jul-14 21:49:35

There isn't an official list as such, sweetsummerpea.

PiqueABoo Fri 25-Jul-14 00:03:46

"Those children who genuinely are above Level 5 could surely use the time more productively doing extension activities."
--

I'm not sure there's much difference between an extension activity and tackling some L6 questions. DD did learn a few new tricks such as the dreaded PEEing and was more [::groan::] 'stretched'. However when I run the universe, I'm going to have more pragmatic comprehension and less of the literary luvvie guild-speak about foreshadowing etc. For example:

* Write one short sentence containing all the genuine information to be found in this long page of text that like most of them these days is largely vacuous marketing twaddle.

* Read this politician's speech and identify a minimum of three different classes of informal logical fallacy.

* Find four phrases in this journalist's article that are intended to make the reader feel angry about teachers.

And so on.

LaQueenLovesSummer Fri 25-Jul-14 17:38:48

2 children got it at ours, it's only a very small village school though.

This Yr 6 is exceptionally academically able, with record 11+ scores across the board for boys and girls.

Quite a few got the Level 6 in Maths though.

It just shows how hard it is to get a Level 6 in Reading. Huge congratulations to any child that did. Very, very well done smile

LaQueenLovesSummer Fri 25-Jul-14 17:44:25

Oh, Hell yeah...I'm with you on that one pique - I am trying to curb DD1's tendency to veer off into crushing hyperbole, and to just get the nuts and bolts of the English language right, to begin with.

Have to confess [cough] I might be giving her a spot of extra tuition in text analysis and identifying the 'narrative voice' [cough] Also getting her to precis pieces of text, too.

She's none too shabby when I get her to parse a sentence, too - a skill that appears to have been much overlooked at her primary hmm

Au79 Sat 26-Jul-14 07:00:01

Does anyone know how many kids got Level 6 for Reading at KS2 nationally this year? I think it was about 2000 total last year which works out at zero percentagewise.

GertieFinkle Sat 26-Jul-14 07:18:46

Dd got level 6 maths and level 5 for everything else. No-one else in her class got level 6 for any subjects (small rural school). The school I work at had no level 6 readers or writers and likewise another teacher friend's school. I think the literacy level 6s are extremely hard to get - as everyone else on the thread says!

LaQueenLovesSummer Sat 26-Jul-14 11:17:20

I think a child needs far more than just technical reading ability to get a Level 6 in Reading, because they need to be able to empathise and analyse the text at a very mature level.

PiqueABoo Sat 26-Jul-14 14:42:39

Last year the (unverified) national data was released in mid-September, you had to fiddle with it yourself and I arrived at a 0.4% pass rate for L6 Reading. Somewhere, possibly RAISE Online, they don't have decimal places hence the 0%.

There is a lot of consensus about the maturity, life-experience angle, There will obviously be exceptions, but I expect the passes are clearly biased towards the older children.

My summer-born DD did NOT pass L6 Reading this year. I had read that Sheffield report on the L6s and explained why she might fail this back in Y5, so she didn't appear to care. It took her a week to remember to tell us that the DH (not her Y6 teacher) had told her that she came closest and had scored last years' threshold. She is too modest and I was pleased they did that because a couple of the oldest girls have been quite good at belittling all her successes.

On balance I feel quite blessed on both counts i.e. she did very well, but isn't that hung up on relative rankings and SATs.

Bookmonster345 Sat 26-Jul-14 22:05:31

At my daughters school, five children were entered and only one person got it, that person being my daughter, however, as she is an avid reader at home it was expected of her

motherinferior Mon 28-Jul-14 10:54:51

DD2 got it.

GiftedPhoenix Thu 04-Sep-14 10:11:02

This new blog post is about the provisional 2014 results in the Level 6 reading test giftedphoenix.wordpress.com/2014/09/02/what-happened-to-the-level-6-reading-results/

jinnybag Thu 04-Sep-14 16:10:05

9% in our school got level 6 reading but it is a selective indie. (not my ds though) More than half the year group passed level 6 maths.

PiqueABoo Thu 04-Sep-14 17:23:10

@GiftedPhoenix, assuming you are the author then many thanks because I do value those blog posts.

GiftedPhoenix Thu 04-Sep-14 18:55:12

No problem

Lidunka Wed 15-Oct-14 15:45:48

Don't understand what is the point introducing level 6 English, if no one gets it.
Math is beter. However, I think the schools are crazy putting through 30% of the kids unless they all score already 5high level.

On one hand I was happy they introduced level 6 math when my DD was in year 6, as she was so bored since Y5 - she lernt nothing for almost 2 years (what a waste), and although, she was not tought at all level 6, she passed.

But, when she went to secondary, she was classified level 5high only anyway - but I understand that, she was not properly tought level 6 and even she made the exam 6 it was just based on the fact she worked it out on her own

Feenie Thu 16-Oct-14 11:36:41

Stats are 0.14% pass rate this year - down from 0.4% in 2013.

And they raised the pass mark again.

I don't know why they bother having this test either.

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