Year 6 SATS. What's going in the clear pencil case?

(104 Posts)
Sparklingbrook Fri 10-May-13 09:49:40

I can't remember what DS1 had even though it was only 3 years ago.

I am sure there is a note from school somewhere if I rummage. blush

Calculators are supplied I know that.

Sparklingbrook Fri 10-May-13 09:54:13

Found the note from school-

'Bring essential stationery in clear pencil cases or 'poly wallets'. Right. confused

Sparklingbrook Fri 10-May-13 11:02:08

I feel like everyone knows what they are doing and I don't. grin

jellysmum77 Fri 10-May-13 11:05:19

Our school always provided equipment. But I would say just a pencil, ruler and rubber. Anything else I am sure the school will have x.

Myliferocks Fri 10-May-13 11:06:52

My DC's school have never mentioned stationary at all.

Sparklingbrook Fri 10-May-13 11:10:40

Thanks. I know we have to supply the equipment. There has been a request that there are no novelty erasers and distracting pencil toppers.

I wonder if a protractor and compass is required?

Myliferocks Fri 10-May-13 11:12:24

Just realised that my post was of no help at all. Sorry! blush

Sparklingbrook Fri 10-May-13 11:15:06

It was Mylife because it shows that some schools are supplying it and some aren't. smile

jellysmum77 Fri 10-May-13 11:15:06

They won't know whether a protractor, mirror etc are needed until they open the teacher's pack on the day. Maybe just check with the school if they are expecting you to provide equipment what will they need?

Sparklingbrook Fri 10-May-13 11:17:33

I think I will have to jellys. DS1 says to take a Maths Set just to be sure but I'm sure that's a bit OTT. I think I will send-

Pencil (s)
Berol Rollerball pen (s)
Eraser
Pencil Sharpener
Protractor

jellysmum77 Fri 10-May-13 11:18:54

Sounds about right smile

Sparklingbrook Fri 10-May-13 11:19:45

I just can't wait for it to all be over jellys. This time next week he will be nearly all done.

jellysmum77 Fri 10-May-13 11:22:10

Yeah, it's such an unnecessary stress from them!

Sparklingbrook Fri 10-May-13 11:24:00

The past papers will stop coming home! Yay!

Periwinkle007 Fri 10-May-13 11:50:21

pencil sharpener or more than one pencil - nothing more likely to stress a child out than if they break the lead in the first few minutes.

Sparklingbrook Fri 10-May-13 11:51:48

Yes, that's true Peri. Maybe quite a few pencils. I don't suppose he wants to be sharpening pencils mid paper.

mumofthemonsters808 Fri 10-May-13 11:55:00

All the equipment supplied by the school here and also a free breakfast club.

Periwinkle007 Fri 10-May-13 11:57:41

and make sure he has a tissue with him just in case of a runny nose, that could be very distracting too.

BackforGood Fri 10-May-13 12:00:49

Never sent anything in with any of mine either. Nor has it been expected at any schools I've taught at.
My dd is quite looking forwards to next week as they are all being supplied with toast in the mornings grin

mimbleandlittlemy Fri 10-May-13 13:25:05

School supplying it for us - along with free breakfast club and a special lunch club for those doing the afternoon L6 papers.

Cannot wait for this time next week.

mimbleandlittlemy Fri 10-May-13 13:25:59

School supplying it for us - along with free breakfast club and a special lunch club for those doing the afternoon L6 papers.

Cannot wait for this time next week when it'll all be over.

Sparklingbrook Fri 10-May-13 13:42:19

envy at all these schools supplying everything. Do you have to provide stationery for normal lessons? We do.

BackforGood Fri 10-May-13 14:09:21

No. Never come across that, again, in any of the schools I've known as a parent, teacher, or where friends children go.
Some children choose to take their pencil case in as they like having their own bits and bobs, but never been asked to.

Sparklingbrook Fri 10-May-13 14:13:49

It may make a difference that DS2 is at Middle School. They do Year 5, 6 and 7 there before leaving for High School. It is quite grown up compared to his First School.

Pozzled Fri 10-May-13 14:23:13

We supply everything.

For reading/grammar they will only need pencils, rubber, ruler.

For maths (on wed and Thu) they may also need a mirror, tracing paper and protractor. I would have thought the school would supply these, but might be worth checking.

BackforGood Fri 10-May-13 14:24:44

Oh, here we have Primary (Yrs R - Yr6), then secondary (Yrs 7 onwards).
They provide everything themselves once in secondary (ie Yr7) smile

SandStorm Fri 10-May-13 14:25:33

Don't forget a ruler.

piratecat Fri 10-May-13 14:27:29

dd says it's all provided here.

Sparklingbrook Fri 10-May-13 14:28:26

Forgot the ruler Sand. blush Thanks

Back I don't know whether I like the 3 tier system or not. It's not what I am used to. It's funny that some of his friends are leaving this Year to start at Secondarys that start in Year 7, and he will do another year.

First School is R-Yr5 so the youngest at the Middle School is 9 making it a whole different feel to the school.

Sparklingbrook Fri 10-May-13 14:36:09

Oooh these pencils look like just the thing. smile

I'm assuming our school provide it all - we haven't been asked to send anything in, and it wouldn't have entered my head that they would not.

Of course, DS1 may bring a letter home tonight requesting supplies!

Sparklingbrook Fri 10-May-13 14:42:22

We had a SATS info Q&A evening so i know we definitely have to supply the stuff. I should have put my hand up then.

CatelynStark Fri 10-May-13 14:42:44

Wait! They need clear pencil cases????

My girl's school hasn't said anything about fecking clear pencil cases!

Bollocks! I'd best go to the shops <sigh>

Sparklingbrook Fri 10-May-13 14:44:32

Check first Catelyn. grin In case it's just DS's school. I am not sure a pencil case is even required, but he takes his normal one every day anyway.

We are off to Staples tomorrow for decent pencils and erasers.

CatelynStark Fri 10-May-13 15:04:47

We had a meeting but I wasn't really listening grin. My youngest is my third to go through this malarkey and she's pretty organised so she probably would have said something. She's off sick today though so I just hope we don't have a crisis at 8am Monday morning when she's remembered something VITAL <sigh>

Sparklingbrook Fri 10-May-13 15:22:57

grin I was half asleep in the meeting. i remember we have to get them to bed early and give them a good breakfast though.

cece Fri 10-May-13 16:32:35

As a year 6 teacher I am rather shocked by

a) parents having to supply pencils and other equipment,

and

b) clear pencil cases? What is that all about?

I do know they need a black pen for the SPAG test but our school is providing those as well.

Restorer Fri 10-May-13 16:36:34

Our yer 6 teacher put in an emergency stationery order yesterday for 120 pencils and 60 rubber. Ss burst i was [::-O at the expense and that fact that none realised eats are next week until today:-D

Sparklingbrook Fri 10-May-13 16:37:20

We have supplied everything since Year 5 cece. It was the same when DS1 was there.

Clear pencil cases are so that you can't secrete any revision notes inside. wink

Restorer Fri 10-May-13 16:37:49

And i couldn't read any of that on my phone before i posted !

Sparklingbrook Fri 10-May-13 16:39:12

I got the gist of it Restorer. Cutting it a bit fine. shock

spanieleyes Fri 10-May-13 18:07:59

Never heard of a state primary school asking for pens and pencils! We supply everything apart from the brains, the children need to bring their own! We also buy new equipment every year, new pens and pencils, this year calculators and mirrors! The children like having new equipment for the tests!
( we also have a free breakfast club, fun games and breakfast)
All this is pretty standard round here!

Sparklingbrook Fri 10-May-13 18:15:08

I suppose if 300+ children bring in their own stationery that's quite a significant cost saving for the school.

I think if they hadn't brought something in the school could supply them perhaps.

Tournament Fri 10-May-13 18:16:06

They need mirrors for the SATs tests?

spanieleyes Fri 10-May-13 18:32:58

Yes, for symmetry questions. ( and to play with afterwards!)

Sparklingbrook Fri 10-May-13 18:37:48

To reflect on their fabulous results. grin

cece Fri 10-May-13 18:38:48

We don't do breakfast clubs though.

Although we do have an postSATs waterfight on the school field. smile

pointythings Fri 10-May-13 18:52:27

We had to supply our own, but no nonsense about clear pencil cases. I mean, do they think these 11yos are going to cheat? shock

Shows how ridiculously overrated the stupid SATs are.

cece Fri 10-May-13 18:56:12

The clear pencil cases are rediculous. They are definitely not in the written instructions for administering the tests.

Sparklingbrook Fri 10-May-13 18:56:18

sad at cheaty 11 year olds. We have definitely been told about the clear pencil cases.

DS2 has had the homework pile from hell tonight too. Sats Papers, spellings etc. sad

Well, he is back, no list of things he needs to take in.

Just to have a rest over the weekend, (not going to happen, he is off to Wembley) and to have a breakfast of cards in the mornings before school!

No homework or anything.

CatelynStark Fri 10-May-13 20:02:54

I've just told my girl about this thread. She says they just have to put their pen, pencil etc on the desk and everything else stays in their bags on the floor.

I mentioned that some kids weren't allowed novelty pencil toppers - she rolled her eyes and said 'For God's sake'.

I love that child grin

CatelynStark Fri 10-May-13 20:03:52

A breakfast of cards? I bet that's ace.

Badoom tish grin

spanieleyes Fri 10-May-13 20:07:18

We have a day out on Friday, a meal, a visit to the local shopping centre and a boat ride, the children love it!

grin

That's what happens when I try to type while negotiating lights out times with DS2!

Sparklingbrook Fri 10-May-13 20:13:03

This is good. I am sure the teachers will love it. <arf>

StuffezLaYoni Fri 10-May-13 20:17:29

I REALLY want one of those!!! If they were a bit cheaper I'd buy one each for my year sixes as a post-SAT treat.

Sparklingbrook Fri 10-May-13 20:28:40

Would make a great photo Stuffez. grin

DearPrudence Fri 10-May-13 20:36:11

I don't think we have to provide anything, but DS likes to have his own stuff, so will probably get him a few new bits. He's thrilled that they have been told they're allowed chewing gum. I am a bit hmm about that.

pointythings Fri 10-May-13 20:37:29

Are you kidding me, OP? SATs start Monday and the school want him to do more drill over the weekend? I'd be feeding the whole blooming pile to my dog. And I don't even have a dog.

DD2 is in this boat next year, she'll be the second cohort in the school doing SATs as we've only recently gone two tier. I have no idea how pushy the school is going to be about it, though I do know they have been flogging revision guides at £13.50 a pop. Needless to say we will not be buying them.

bigTillyMint Fri 10-May-13 20:38:25

Sparkling, where did you get the clear pencil case? I was searching everywhere a couple of weeks ago for DS!

Sparklingbrook Fri 10-May-13 20:40:23

It was DS1's Tilly but possibly Wilkinsons knowing me.

lljkk Fri 10-May-13 20:45:44

No homework for DD this weekend; her teacher has told them specifically not to cram this weekend. Would rather they were fresh & rested smile.

Breakfast clubs & Clear pencil cases all foreign to me, nothing like that here.

they are bowling on Friday.

bigTillyMint Fri 10-May-13 21:10:06

Aahhh, didn't look there. Next year I'll get searching earlier!

Feenie Fri 10-May-13 21:28:09

I do know they need a black pen for the SPAG test but our school is providing those as well.

Not necessarily - a 2B pencil is also recommended. You would need to be very brave to get them to use pen only!

StuffezLaYoni Fri 10-May-13 21:51:13

We aren't using pen in anything - HB only and 2B for the SPaG.

Sparklingbrook Fri 10-May-13 21:52:12

No mention of black pens that I know of.

Feenie Fri 10-May-13 22:59:57

Just reread the admin guide - 2B pencils or black pens are only specified for the Level 6 Reading or Level 6 SPAG. Wonder why? Odd. confused

Sparklingbrook Fri 10-May-13 23:02:18

Mmmm. DS1 is doing level 6. Let's hope they can provide him with the correct pen. confused

cece Fri 10-May-13 23:04:37

Perhaps I read the wrong bit! I don't do the SPAG as my job share does that, so not really paying much attention to it I expect blush

crunchbag Fri 10-May-13 23:12:11

No breakfast club, toast or clear pencil cases at DS school. Either school provides all stationary or they just use whatever they have in their pencil case, I don't really know.

DS actually did get some homework but he won't have time to do it, we have other things planned.

snice Fri 10-May-13 23:17:37

Just reread the admin guide - 2B pencils or black pens are only specified for the Level 6 Reading or Level 6 SPAG. Wonder why? Odd

L6 papers are scanned and marked automatically apparently so needs strong marks on the page

Feenie Fri 10-May-13 23:22:26

It wouldn't be possible to scan the Reading test though?

Picturesinthefirelight Fri 10-May-13 23:32:41

Sorry OT but what on earth is a SPAG?

snice Fri 10-May-13 23:33:43

No sorry-you just need 2B pencil/black pen for SpaG I think

We have free breakfast club all week as a bribe to get them in on time, but no mention of stationery.

snice Fri 10-May-13 23:38:54

SPaG is shorthand for Spelling, Grammar and Punctuation test

Feenie Fri 10-May-13 23:47:58

Nope, it specifies Level 6 reading aswell.

4.2 Level 6 English reading test
Format
*This test consists of an answer booklet and reading booklet. Children will
have:*

Equipment required:
• pens or 2B pencils, pencil sharpeners and erasers

Feenie Fri 10-May-13 23:49:00

There's no way the reading papers could be scanned. It wouldn't even be possible.

snice Fri 10-May-13 23:49:57

how odd-perhaps they think everyone will only be able to afford 1 new pencil so they specify the spag one grin

Feenie Fri 10-May-13 23:52:17

grin

But it is so weird, isn't it?

snice Fri 10-May-13 23:57:11

^The English grammar, punctuation and spelling test and the level 6 tests are scanned and marked on screen; STA therefore recommends that children participating in these tests complete their scripts using a black pen or 2B pencil so that markers are able to read their answers. Children should not use gel pens or glitter pens as they do not scan well for
on-screen marking^

so it sounds like the papers aren't physically sent to markers but will be scanned and e-mailed to them do you think?

snice Fri 10-May-13 23:58:20

italics fail!

quote is from the Assessment and Reporting arrangements

cece Fri 10-May-13 23:58:51

That's the way I read it. Surely has not been introduced to save money hmm

TheDetective Fri 10-May-13 23:59:23

DS1 has never owned a pencil case. Or taken any stationary to school. Ever.

No instructions here.

So I'll just send him in, and hope he remembers his brain unlikely. We have got a free breakfast club though.

I'll probably just check with the head my mum tomorrow! I doubt any of this palaver is needed though!

Feenie Sat 11-May-13 00:00:29

I suppose that would explain it, snice.

Doesn't explain why, though! Still confused

snice Sat 11-May-13 00:01:06

save on postage?

Feenie Sat 11-May-13 00:04:15

Can I just highlight the difference between 'stationery' and 'stationary' at this point? As homage to the SPAG test, like smile

Yes that'll be it, scanning them for sending to markers working from home.

Quite sensible really.

Feenie Sat 11-May-13 00:09:29

More sensible than Parcelforce? confused

What's the difference, apart from a load of faff scanning?

It's quicker (indubitably) presumably cheaper (depending on the precise nature of your workflow and staffing costs), and perhaps less likely to get lost.

Feenie Sat 11-May-13 00:25:49

How is scanning several thousand papers quicker than just simply taking said papers from A to B?

Am I being thick? confused

Tournament Sat 11-May-13 06:46:46

They'd copy them before posting them anyway Feenie. Imagine being the school which lost all the SATs papers.

Email is quicker than post Feenie, which was my point. But putting a script into an industrial copier and then forwarding the file to the relevant marker is not that much slower than putting it in an envelope and labelling it with the right address.

spanieleyes Sat 11-May-13 08:43:00

But schools send the papers on to the markers direct. We are given the envelope and the address label. And schools DO NOT copy the papers before sending them off, that would be a clear case of maladministration and all the results would be voided. We shouldn't even LOOK at them ( although I did have a Head who would go through the maths papers to get an indication of the levels they should get shock )

Sparklingbrook Sat 11-May-13 08:46:47

it would take forever to copy the papers wouldn't it?

clam Sat 11-May-13 09:22:32

StationERY!

As you were...

MiaowTheCat Sat 11-May-13 09:51:36

The on-screen marking thing they've been doing for yonks with GCSEs (MIL is a GCSE marker)... stuff gets scanned in and then markers just call up their allocation and work through it on their computer (the maths has a load of things like on-screen protractors and rulers and overlays for questions requiring drawing things out that you can call up and drag over to the paper as required).

Just make sure the pencils have points on 'em for the spelling test - used to make you go cross eyed trying to work out if it was an a o or e in a word when you were marking one where the child was writing with the world's bluntest pencil like some are obsessed with trying to do!

I mark the standard level 3-5 English and I'd stop if they switched that to on-screen marking to be honest - I really struggle to process text on-screen compared to on paper (like properly process, rather than just skim reading crap on internet forums).

"How is scanning several thousand papers quicker than just simply taking said papers from A to B?" ... dare I mention the year ETS ran the tests? grin I was getting UPS guys showing up at my door for a good month afterwards having been sent round every single marker on the offchance they had some of the lost test papers still hanging around their houses - and I got at least two completely random schools' papers delivered to me! (Had to do on-screen standardisations that year and they were really badly scanned and bloody awful to mark through)

Feenie Sat 11-May-13 10:15:13

They'd copy them before posting them anyway Feenie. Imagine being the school which lost all the SATs papers.

They most certainly do not! There have been several cases of missing papers from markers cars, etc!

Yep, I remember all that, Miaow - we had about half of ours re-marked, and there were differences of 2 levels in some cases. confused

deeplydullmnnickname Sat 11-May-13 14:27:03

As an aside to the OP, do most primaries still provide pencils and exercise books then? Just curious.

Feenie Sat 11-May-13 15:01:43

It's very unusual not to, ime.

Sparklingbrook Sat 11-May-13 15:48:49

We have never had to supply exercise books, just pens, pencils, maths sets etc.

beautifulgirls Sat 11-May-13 17:23:18

Why not just use a clear plastic bag - cheaper and easier than locating a clear pencil case.

Sparklingbrook Sun 12-May-13 12:00:02

I have found DS1's old pencil case but that was my standby sollution beautiful. I have been to Wilko's and got nice new pencils, pencils, an eraser and a maths set.

DS2 is currently doing SPAG revision. sad

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