Do you/did you do specific SATS revision with your DCs?

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XBenedict Mon 29-Apr-13 18:39:06

I didn't - am I an awful mother?

DD1 and DS have been through sats and apart from the usual reading most nights, doing homework set, playing on mathletics I didn't sit them down and do sats revision. I have a lovely (but extremely competitive friend) who can't let her DS out during the week at the moment as he's "cramming for his sats' (Y2). Tell me this isn't what everyone is doing and I have completed missed this part of my role.......please!

Sparklingbrook Mon 29-Apr-13 18:41:55

DS2 is doing Year 6 SATS. No cramming here.

ipadquietly Mon 29-Apr-13 18:43:38

I hope your friend's ds isn't at my school, as we did the tests in February, without children or parents realising.

SherbertStraws Mon 29-Apr-13 18:45:11

ipadquietly, your school had the right idea. No revision here either

XBenedict Mon 29-Apr-13 18:45:39

If I'm honest I don't think DS had a clue when he was doing them, just said he did some workbooks and that was it. Think DD was a bit clued into it all at the time but she wasn't bothered. I so relieved, thanks for replying smile

Taffeta Mon 29-Apr-13 18:50:03

Well I wasn't going to, but went to parents evening last week and before I'd even sat down the teacher barked " I was very disappointed in Taffgirls recent maths assessment paper (Feb ).It was lower than the one she did in November."

I asked her how this compared to her work in class, her overall level, and she dodged the question and made out it was all about test results.

So we are going through a workbook now.....

Runoutofideas Mon 29-Apr-13 18:53:04

No - very low key in our school - thankfully. Children achieve highly generally too so it clearly isn't necessary to pressurise them.

mrz Mon 29-Apr-13 18:54:32

I've only seen it on MN never in real life in any of the schools I've taught in. I certainly didn't think about it for my own two.

Startail Mon 29-Apr-13 18:55:13

Lots with DD1, because she's dyslexic and I wanted her to give the best possibly impression she could to secondary. Also back then they had science SATS externally marked. DD1 likes science and it's my subject too. Neither of us found practice very stressful as she had a scribe and writing not think is her downfall.

DD2 did loads and loads in school because they'd had a run in with Ofsted. So I didn't think she needed any more. She was a certain L5 anyhow.

ipadquietly Mon 29-Apr-13 18:57:51

startail, I think you're talking about Y6 SATs, not Y2 SATs.

ChewingOnLifesGristle Mon 29-Apr-13 19:00:43

Absolutely not. There's been nothing but piles of cramming sats homework since Sept. No way would I add to that.

I'd pull dc out altogether if I couldhmm

ChewingOnLifesGristle Mon 29-Apr-13 19:02:16

Sorry I'm talking about yr6 tooblush.

The mere mention of sats and I start harrumphing.

Smartiepants79 Mon 29-Apr-13 19:11:13

Oh god, cramming for yr2 sats? Really? One of the saddest things I've heard for a while and I have taught yr 2.
Other than a practice or 2 ( because the sats are unlike anything the children have seen before) cramming is pointless. They need to be assessed where they ACTUALLY are or it does them no favours in the long term.

prettydaisies Mon 29-Apr-13 19:11:41

No, no, no in Y2 or in Y6.
They never brought anything home to practise either. All very low key.

pointythings Mon 29-Apr-13 19:27:00

Nope, no extra work for Yr 2 SATs here. None for the Yr6 lot either. DD1 did the latter last year and was sent home with a stack of practice papers over Easter with instructions to do an hour every single day. We recycled the whole damn lot, the school didn't call me on it (and if they had, I would have let them have it I would have spoken to them quite firmly).

wheresthebeach Mon 29-Apr-13 19:40:57

Got nothing from school for y2 - for y6 school goes nuts with tonnes of extra work and parents tutor etc.
I have now found out that loads of people did stuff to prepare for y2 sats (mainly those with older kids who knew the system) and glad I was a bit oblivious to the whole thing...

Jimmybob Mon 29-Apr-13 21:33:01

No revision here....school has done some stuff and had doen some practices, and my dd does an extra maths class to prepare for L6. But school fairly low key about whole thing I am please to say...

Jimmybob Mon 29-Apr-13 21:34:09

Would help if I could spell as well....then dd might have a chance wink

nononsensemum Tue 30-Apr-13 10:19:13

got some SATS Y2 tests on Amazon English and Maths and have been doing a little a couple of times a week since Easter. No pressure just fun way of learning really - definitely helped my girl to understand the idea of tests and very useful in teaching her some test technics. In my school fairly low key as well but wanted to make sure she does here best and while doing the whole streaming she does not end up at the least performing group as I know she is bright and capable.

Startail Tue 30-Apr-13 10:27:04

Sorry that will teach me to post while watching spuds and telling DD2 to stop nagging tea would be ready when it was cooked.

To answer the right question I think I might have done one past paper with each of them.

MrsMelons Tue 30-Apr-13 10:33:01

Blimey, we haven't done anything and just found out they did a practice reading paper last week and real one this week, poor DS1 is really poorly with an ear infection which has developed from a throat infection last week. I am very proud (not a stealth boast - no shame me!) that in spite of being up most of the night coughing he got 25/26 on his level 3 paper.

Maths is a different story as he freezes as soon as he has to do any questions to do with maths so I am now wondering if it would help if I did some practice with him or do you think this might make him panic more?

OldBeanbagz Tue 30-Apr-13 10:53:16

No cramming here though DD has been doing some practice SATs papers in class (Y6) and i think they're making them out to be a big deal there. Personally i'd rather they didn't.

She was worrying about them last night so i reassured her that the results didn't matter to me and that if she wanted, i wouldn't even open tha results envelope when it was sent home from school.

That certainly cheered her up smile

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MrsMelons Tue 30-Apr-13 16:26:08

OldBeanbagz thats a lovely way to do it, I will remember that especially with regards to DSs maths as he's a real worrier even though he knows we don't care what mark he gets, although DSs school don't make a big fuss at all, they don't even tell them when it is a practice or a real test (although that has resulted in some confusion).

OldBeanbagz Tue 30-Apr-13 17:08:00

MrsMelons my DD is such a worrier and goodness knows what she'll be like when it comes to the first day at high school in September.

Hopefully after last night's chat i've put her mind at rest. She certainly came home from school a lot happier despite doing some more SATs practice today smile

ChippyMinton Tue 30-Apr-13 17:23:46

DS1 came home with the Yr 6 SATS timetable today, if anyone wants it I'll post it here.

He's doing homework and whatever they set at school. As far as I can see, it's for the school's benefit not his, so I'm keeping out of it.

MrsMelons Tue 30-Apr-13 18:10:39

That's good, I think it is a shame there is so much pressure put on them but sounds like she'll be ok knowing it is not a big deal!

MirandaWest Tue 30-Apr-13 18:18:05

DD is in year 2 and always knows what's going on at school. Asked her casually if she'd heard of SATs and she thought she had but wasn't sure. Definitely not doing any practice here.

MrsMelons Tue 30-Apr-13 19:30:54

I do think thats best, the whole point is surely to assess what level the children are at ready for junior school - not to produce fake results by cramming.

I understand why they do some practice tests as the questions are probably a different format from what they normally do but at their age it can't be good to put pressure on them.

DS and his friend said they did their reading SATs today, they didn't know if it was a practice or not (it wasn't), they also said they did their proper Maths one which was in fact just a practice. I like they do not make a big deal out of it.

ipadquietly Tue 30-Apr-13 20:05:15

Doing practice tests is making a big deal out of it.

MrsMelons Tue 30-Apr-13 23:07:25

Not at all if done in the right way. At the end of the day they have to do the SATs so at one point they will need to sit and take them. With no preparation at all that could be quite daunting to a 6/7 year old.

Giving the children examples of the questions to do but not making a deal out of builing up to it then this makes it less of an issue. The children do not know when they are or whether they are just practice or the real thing.

There is no avoiding it unfortunately but teachers can do a lot to reduce pressure or anxiety about it all. DSs school is in the top 5 for SATs results in our LA and the fact the children do not even know they are taking them and are not given revision to do at home says a lot IMO.

BackforGood Tue 30-Apr-13 23:29:06

I too assumed you were talking about Yr6 SATS - I was still going to say "No, none". Yr2 SATS were just done as part of the normal daily lessons - the dc didn't even know they'd done them. The mind boggles as to what she's making the poor lad do!

MrsMelons Wed 01-May-13 12:56:20

Just to clarify that I am not doing practice tests at home - this is just in class.

It is mind blowing that people push 6/7 year olds in this way. I am not entirely suprised though.

TeenAndTween Wed 01-May-13 15:08:55

Y2 - nothing. DD2 had/has no idea she has done them. We have never mentioned them or her working levels to her. We certainly wouldn't have dreamed of doing practice tests at home.

Y6 - DD1 did the hw set by the school (no practice papers at home, maybe 90mins hw per week from Jan onwards). BUT also, (A)DD1 was very behind in her maths, so as part of an ongoing effort from end y3 we continued plugging away at her maths knowledge. NOT cramming, but building up her ability. Very pleased she got to 4b by end Y6 so had a firm foundation to start secondary with.

Most schools do not set Y7 based on SATs, though they will look at them. So extra coaching / teaching to the test may make the school look good, but then possibly makes it look as if child has gone backwards in y7 (which my DD didn't).

ipadquietly Wed 01-May-13 18:18:37

MrsMelons Believe me, Year 2 children don't need to practice the tests. The format is very easy, and in the maths test, the teacher can explain what to do, as long as they don't give them the answers or give them specific help regarding the numbers used in the questions.

We did all the tests half way through Y2, with no practices, and the children were fine. No-one cried, no-one panicked and most of them tried their best.

The children shouldn't be doing practice tests, as it is an absolute and utter waste of time.

Feenie Wed 01-May-13 20:00:09

Yep - what ipad said. And the statutory requirements are there for a reason - practising is totally unnecessary and serves no purpose whatsoever.

lljkk Wed 01-May-13 20:11:12

okay, honesty now, DD brought home a mock SATs test last month & I offered to make up another version of it (extra questions) for her to do, but I got bored after designing question 4 & never did any more.

MothershipG Wed 01-May-13 20:19:43

As most secondary schools don't pay much attention to SATs what's the point of cramming?

MrsMelons Wed 01-May-13 21:07:39

Fair enough, but I can't see how a practice test is a waste of time as it is still work to do in a lesson connected with what they are learning but I totally understand about the cramming and lots of practising.

The school are really relaxed about it and haven't even told the parents, I only know as DS was ill so the teacher said I could take him home as the SATs weren't till the following day.

IMO the school should be ensuring the children are reaching their potential or addressing any issues as a matter of course without the children having to do additional work at home.

Feenie Wed 01-May-13 22:13:11

Fair enough, but I can't see how a practice test is a waste of time

Because you could spend the time actually teaching - nothing is to be gained from constant testing. You don't fatten a pig by constantly weighing it! grin

5madthings Wed 01-May-13 22:15:42

Nothing at all and the school doesn't make a big deal out if them either.

Ds2 is about to sit his year 6 SATs and he has had one test paper for homework.

Hassled Wed 01-May-13 22:24:47

Actually I think my DS3 has benefitted enormously from the endless practice (y6) papers he's been doing at school, especially in Maths. He had a rabbit in the headlights panic reaction to tests - in Yrs 3,4 and 5 the reports have always made some comment along the lines of "disappointing test results given his obvious ability". But by doing plenty of practice tests he seems to have broken the fear barrier, so I don't think the real thing will phase him particularly.

iseenodust Thu 02-May-13 09:28:19

In yr2 the school told parents that the school wouldn't be telling the children about SATS. They would just do them without fuss and suggested we did nothing beyond the usual listening to reading with our DC. I took them at their word.

Frikadellen Thu 02-May-13 12:43:12

No nor did we for 11+

Sparklymommy Thu 02-May-13 15:03:06

Can I ask a question? My Dd is in year 5, and currently has an hours tuition a week to prepare her for the 11+ which she will sit in September. Her school has combined classes (so she is currently in a class with year 6 pupils). I noticed on a recent newsletter that her year group will sit the SATS papers with year 6, but that they will be marked in house. I am not worried about this and think the mock test can only be seen as a positive practise.

My question is: are the SATS very different from the 11+? And is it possible for the results to be very different when I child sits both? Obviously the SATS don't have verbal reasoning, but will the SATS be of a similar level in difficulty to the 11+? Just curious really. I know that when she sits the tests me t year the school run a booster club class after school which DD will probably not be able to attend due to dance commitments but I am wondering if the 11+ tuition she is currently doing will have a similar effect.

Prawntoast Thu 02-May-13 15:12:58

sparkly I would imagine that the 11+ tuition will prepare her adequately for the 11+.

You could also use the Bond materials online. i found them useful for extra practice especially the VR and NVR tests.

MrsMelons Thu 02-May-13 19:52:52

Very true Feenie grin

I guess I am thinking of it in a different way, the professional exams I took were of course mainly knowing the syllabus but an important part of it was knowing the layout of the questions etc and practice papers were vital. I am clearly overthinking it - they are 7 FFS - duh!

Sparklymommy Thu 02-May-13 20:54:18

Prawntoast, I am quite happy that the preparation she is doing for the 11+ will be fine for the 11+, I am just wondering if the SATS follow a similar structure. We do use the Bond books and have found that the ten minute test books are particularly helpful.

Eve Thu 02-May-13 20:59:40

Our school is cramming the kids for them, it's been in special measures a few years ago and had a few different heads, recent ofsted says needs improvement.

The new head is determined to get results. My DS is borderline 4c/5 they are working individually with a few like him to push them into 5.

Feenie Thu 02-May-13 21:19:12

That would be borderline 4a/5c. smile

The secondary school teachers won't thank the school for pushing children into scraping levels they aren't working securely at.

pointythings Thu 02-May-13 22:06:52

I agree with Feenie - DD1 did enough SATs practice in school that I felt I ought to leave it alone at home. I also wanted the SATs to reflect where she really was, not what she had been drilled for. How demoralising is it to come into YR7, proudly brandishing your level whatever, only to be told that no, you're 2 sublevels lower?

DD1 didn't 'go backwards' in Yr7 because she came in at a level that was really her level and not a reflection of endless teaching to the test. That's how it should be.

mam29 Sat 04-May-13 02:59:51

I think it depends on schools.

if school always get good results then they out pressure on well they do here at 2very well performing state schools. freinds d year 2 in up its own arse infant school small affluent catchment has discussed and practiced sats since sept.

mine does not even know what a sat is:
very well performing oversubscribed primary school on new estate just got oustanding ofsted and its results v=baffle me with 100%success but heard they streamed, pushed ffom early age and saw amount homework they get its nuts.

dds old primary-tricky one had downgraded ofsted due to attainement ie kids suppost to make so many levels progress, sats falling not dire but not best of pack within local area.

schools response to this pile on extra homework.
start becoming pshier in class
this year advised year 6 parenst they might what to think about private tutors or exclore learning at sainsburys to boost results, extra homework and hardky any fn stuff for year 6 sad,

sue lots unhappy stressed parents an sad kids as no longer buddy time with there reception kids.

I think the pressure be too much and make situation worse.
also number of competative parents there, freind already told by year 2teacher that her july year 2 advanced and on steady level 3, she asked me what she could do to help with sats I failed to respond.

i moved my child after 1ter year 2 she made zero progress in 8weeks and year 2 teacher piled on pressure,

new small village school-no homework apart from reading.
she does maths factor and ccbbc keystage 1 games for fun.
spoke to teacher who said kids not prepared sats may ot sure when that dd has progressed still not sure enough as was slightly below expectation end of last year as need to raise 3sublevles to get to expected 2b..

But dd 1 no longer stressed and is happy.

maybe year 6 will be different but not heard any negatives,

teacher says sats sometimes how they perform on day day their end of term /year nc grading might be different.

Might be dd2 school and fact they get good results but when looked before moving got new prospectus with printed table year 2sats results so even though not published was avaialible to prospective parents an results seemed good.

Im not sure i be blase about year 6 sats but need to do some 11=prep anyway as backup for independents of dont get any decent state schools alwys imagine 11+be tougher than sats.

ChewingOnLifesGristle Sat 04-May-13 07:50:36

Regarding yr6 (I see the thread is including posts re yr6 too) it's an odd message we are sending to dc. Or at least at our school it is.

I'm constantly saying don't worry, it's not a test for you but of the school blah blah. The school are 'saying' don't worry blah blah. And yet in reality they are being pressured to worry due to the landslide of homework, leaflets home saying How To Get Through SATS, constant constant cramming, some doing specific revision papers..hmm Children aren't stupid, they know when they're being sold a bum steer.

So to sum up: It's a test that is/isn't important and that is of little or no direct benefit to the person taking it. Utterly bonkersconfusedangry

It matters to the school alright, big time. I do wish they wouldn't promote the fiction that 'it's no big deal, no of course we don't pressure our kids' (another Ofsted brownie point no doubt) when in reality they're doing the opposite.

notime2dance Sat 04-May-13 15:30:09

DD does the Naplan in a couple of weeks for the very first time. She is in year 5, so I brought her some Naplan Style Tests on the Ipad. If we were still in the UK, I would not have worried about it.

breadandbutterfly Tue 07-May-13 10:40:26

I'm more cynical. When schools used to be judged on the 'raw scores' of how many got over Level 4 at KS2 SATS then schools tried to get as many borderline kids as possible over the Level 4 line. Brighter kids weren't really pushed to do the Level 5 because this wasn't recognised in league tables. Thus my v academic dc1 (now in year 8) was not given much support in year 6.

A couple of years ago the rules changed and league tables now measure whether children have made the 'expected progress' from their levels at KS1. This means my dc2 in year 6 - who got all Level 3s in KS1 - is now being pushed very hard to achieve Levels 5 and 6 as are most of the class (it is an unusually high-achieving class).

I've noticed a big difference with the school's approach at KS1 as a result - whilst the teachers used to encourage the brighter kids to pass L3 at KS1, my dc3 - who has been predicted level 3s at KS1, has been given no help to achieve this. I suspect this might be because if he passes, it will only raise expectations for KS2 SATS and then the school will have to make sur he passes at least Level 5 at KS2. so it is actually in the school's interest now to downgrade students at KS1 and so make their life easier at KS2.

Of course, I may be being unfair - it may not be as a result of any concerted 'plan' on behalf of the school, implicit or explicit. The lack of appropriate work he's had from the school may just be because his teachers this year are crap. Which is quite possible. Certainly, they keep giving him homework on topics he's never covered in class - either I teach him them myself (which I seem to be expected to do), or I send back sheet after sheet with notes in the margin explaining that he couldn't do it as he's never been taught it. I have had to do this with some astonishingly inappropriate ones eg the ones testing his knowledge of ALL the times tables up to 10X10. He's only 6!!! I have no intention of making him learn all his times tables by the end of year 2. hmm

breadandbutterfly Tue 07-May-13 10:50:31

In answer to the OP, yes,I have done work with both my dcs. My dc1 in year 6 is determined to get Level 6s and on course and very motivated to do so. I've gone through half a reading paper with her and discussed GAPS topics with her where she found them hard. We also looked at maths topics she found hard like algebra. But this has not been against her will - she is determined to get 100% in her maths tests (her decision NOT mine). And maths is her favourite subject. And yes, I have told her many times the tests test the school not her.

As for my dc in year 2, I am very reluctant indeed to do any 'academic' work with a child of this age, other than encouraging him to read and helping him learn 2/5/10 times tables.

But I have had to do work to explain how to add/subtract and have now been told by his teachers to teach him joined-up handwriting, apparently because they think this is my job. (My older dcs' teachers managed to do this quite happily in class time.)

Tingalingle Tue 07-May-13 11:00:01

Um, no. No specific revision. TBH even the homework gets left to her unless she really wants my help. Am slack parent. Twitch, twitch.

In my defence, her anxious older brother needs my help with his A-levels a weeny bit more than Littl'un needs help with made-up governmenty league table nonsense especially SPAG tests where even the practice questions have spelling errors.

Noseynoonoo Wed 08-May-13 21:42:50

Why would a child revise for SATS. What is the benefit to them? How will it positively impact on them to gain a result higher than their natural ability - serious question, genuinely confused by the idea.

lljkk Wed 08-May-13 21:48:08

School hasn't been pushy in any way or form.

DD wants to revise because she wants Level 6s. For her own satisfaction.

She is very weird ambitious.

I am a failed pushy mom because I haven't managed to devise a whole mock L6 maths test for her. grin

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