Is anyone else waiting to hear what primary school their child has got into?(689 Posts)
Also waitig with baited breath. We are slightly out of catchment but with 2 siblings in the school. BUT it's a big intake locally so I have all my fingers and toes crossed.
I went online to find out when we find out and it's the 19th here.
we don't find out until 9th April here
It's today for us and I want to know NOW!!! Chances are we'll have got into my 1st choice but we're also out of catchment.
Just googled and it's after 4pm. Long day ahead...
16th April here. I had thought it was the same everywhere!
We find out on the 16th. Am expecting DD2 will get in our first choice (sibling at the school and we're really close to it as well)
19th April here. I woke up thinking about this, this morning!
I thought 16th April was national offers day.
16th here too online or wait for post a few days later.
last year they did it on a friday after everywhere else in the country and said after 4:30pm. the system didn't work though so noone found out. at least the 16th means they will be in the office the next day if there is a problem and can sort it out rather than a weekend.
16th for me too, and I can work myself up into a total frenzy thinking about it. Catchment school is not on our list of 3, and would quite honestly be my worst nightmare. Logically I know we'd be massively unlucky to end up placed there and not get any of our choices, but until I see that email.....
I have literally been worrying about this for 2 years
17th April here, then we start prearing in earnest. Poor DS will be less than 4.1 when he starts as we start on 29th August here, and he's an early August birthday
It just seems much too young to be teaching him to unfasten buttons on a school shirt.
Supposed to be 4pm today here, still waiting.
19th here. I think I am not bothered, but will find out depending on how I feel when I get the school!
19th for us. And bugger just realised we have to be away for a family funeral so won't find out until the evening.
Yep, 17th here I think. Or 16th.
I was SURE it was the 6th (online from the 5th) but I went to double check yesterday and it was the 17th. Why would I have made up the 6th as a date? I guess they must have moved it. Another 12 days to wait..
16th here and desperate to know. DD loves her friends at school nursery, really settled, we are in the village catchment area BUT high birth rate year, had to go on the waiting list to get a nursery place and they keep building houses nearer to the school than us
If she doesn't get in I fear we will lose touch with people I have spent 2 years getting to know, she will be left out of friendships in the other school in the next village as people won't travel to hang out with us. She will be out of the loop for local friends. That I will struggle with my PT job as no local childminder picks up from the neighbouring village school and DS is in the year below DD.
Really see implications for all of us and when we moved here everyone said no problem with school places as in catchment, but no one noticed the high birth rate year and more people have moved in who start this Sept too and live closer.
Finally got my email when I got home from
bloody work and she's got into our first choice. What a relief!
Good luck to all those still waiting!
17th here (south London). Good luck everyone. Our LEA says an email is sent out at 5pm on the day but apparently it's also online - does anyone know what time of day it goes online? Presumably the same time as the email, or earlier?
16th here too, oldest child.
1st choice is massively convinient and Outstanding, but 2nd choice is not hugely inconvinient and I really liked it. 3rd choice wouldn't bother me either. I realise that this is a very lucky and unusual situation to be in.
17th here I think (east London).
Shitting it a bit now- newly introduced catchment areas, bulge classes and an incomprehensible tie break criteria in our borough mean nobody has any idea whether they will get in or not [confusing]
We're just hoping for any of our 6 choices! I have been drinking a lot and sleeping very little. Also first child and we live in an area where adults seem to be vastly outnumbered by 4yr olds and couldn't afford to move. Have that awful waiting-for-exam-results feeling!
tethersend - tie breaker?? Thats a new one on me. As if it wasn't confusing enough!
I'm more stressed than I thought
It sounds a bit gameshow, doesn't it?
Usual tie breaker in the event of oversubscription is distance; ours is now 'nearest alternative school'. Don't ask.
Not til 1 May here! Secretly hoping he gets into second choice as altho it would great to get 1st choice (out of catchment) I'm worried that DS2 wouldn't get into the same school in two years time and that DS1 would end up at a different secondary to his primary friends because of the catchment. But I'm trying not to think about it until it happens as 1st choice is a v nice v good school.
17th here so hoping the letter will arrive on the 18th. We didn't manage to do an online application.
Not sure what will happen if she doesn't get into our closest school, as we'll likely wind up with a school the complete other side of the borough. We put down all 6 choices but they all have small catchment areas.
I did break down and call our preferred school and apparently they're expecting there to be less siblings this year, which is good. 70% of places last year went to siblings.
Aargh I just want to know it is going to be ok.
We found out today and didn't get offered any of our choices. The school offered we never even looked at as poor ofsted
Oh no, Trinny... That's shit. How many choices did you have?
Are you going to turn the place down?
Speaking as a teacher, a poor OFSTED report doesn't necessarily mean it's a terrible school, BTW... Although it does mean it's likely to become an academy very soon.
In north London and waiting for the 17th anxiously. I have now convinced myself that we have no chance of our first choice school....lots of crazy theories in my head! We are signed up to the texting service which will tell us when the decision is online. I wanted to go out for dinner or something that evening to take our minds off it and then check it once DS is in bed and either celebrate our console ourselves with lots of wine.
That's a good idea- alcohol either way. Am doing that
Glad I found this thread. 19th for us here in Bristol. It's going to be a long couple of weeks! I have lost sleep over this especially as I only really would be happy sending DS to 2 of our 3 preferences but the 3rd choice was the best of a bad remaining lot.
Finally got around to looking and it's apparently the 17th here. I'm not all that stressy about it really, she's my fourth, the schools around me are all so good that I'm not fussed which one of the 6 I put down we get.
It was so different when my others started primary school - 12-15 years ago and that has made me realise that first choice is not necessarily the be all and end all.
17th here. Panicked in March as the 17th was the day after MN started threads about lack of places, finally got login to work, no offer... And finally twigged I was a month early.
My nearest 3 schools have just expanded so hope I'll be ok and the lack of places will be elsewhere in the borough. I admit I have been hugely relieved every time I find out a nearby family are Catholic. Though I also know Catholic parents who haven't gone for Catholic schooling as they don't want 20 kids of their nationality in the class and want their child to be forced to speak English at playtime.
Looks like I'm the only one on the 15th. Not too worried as the school has sibling priority and dd is there already.
It was the only school I put on the form so he'd better bloody get in!
Lozario, I think we are in the same borough - or next door ones. I believe the online system goes live after 5pm.
We won't get my first choice - am playing the waiting-list waiting game on that one - but it's also quite possible that we won't get any of our 6 choices at all.
Being an atheist in an area with a lot of strict criteria faith schools and being hemmed in by a blooming big river means that we had a 45 degree angle of potential schools as opposed to a whole 360 degrees.
We were only 30 metres inside the 2011 last distance offered of one school and the birth rate, new developments and the fact the school has now become an academy and is setting their own admission criteria. Neither the school, nor the LA could tell me what last year's furthest distance was so the bets are off the table.
If we get none of our choices then I imagine the allocated one will be the dire 'special measures' school that takes a good 20 minutes by bus to get to and is in an area that I don't care to go into.
Will begin sacrificing to gods various on the 18th...
I'm starting to fret now as well. I put three choices on the form, didn't use the fourth slot because my second choice has been undersubscribed for the past couple of years and I was therefore thinking it was the safe choice. I've now spoken to a couple of parents with children currently at my first choice, which is 700m from our house and had a last offered distance of 1100m last year. It's rated outstanding, and the tour was very slick, but now I've looked further into the wraparound childcare availability and I've been told there is half an hour homework set every night even in reception, I'm starting to feel really daunted.
My second choice is rated 'good' and is in the middle of a deprived estate (prejudice seems to be the reason it's undersubscribed), but it is as convenient as #1 for us both in terms of drop off before our commute into London. HT is a 'trouble-shooter' type brought in when it was satisfactory with failing bits, and I thought she was fantastic (I got a personal tour and it seemed from the office manager's reaction to my call that not many prospective parents visit before application - the difference between good and outstanding educational outcomes for kids at this school is probably a lot more to do with how interested and supportive the parents are(n't).
Choice 3 is in a naice middle class area en route to another commuting station but we are almost exactly on the 2012 last offered distance so it is a bit of a random shot. The big unknown is whether there is a birth rate glut (and particularly a sibling surge) that could arse up my choices. Between choice 2 and 3 by distance there are another couple of estate schools that aren't much cop, and are a pain for drop offs which would constrain our wraparound childcare options massively.
Waiting 16th for us too. We shouldn't have any problems but you just never know.
Pyrrah if we both end up at dodgy nobody's-choice school, I've got your back!! >pats can of mace in handbag<
We're playing the waiting game for our first choice too. So it's weird - I am in great anticipation for next wednesday's result but also realise it probably won't give us an immediate answer!
I'm quietly confident I'll eventually get a place at 1st choice but doubt it will be in 2013, so I will be relieved if we get choices 2 or 3 just so I know she is going somewhere decent till we score on the other.
Are you out of area for your first choice?
I'm fairly confident that I'll get first choice, and I will be thrilled, but I'm also very happy with the others too.
Lozario and Pyrrah, I think I'm in the borough next to you two. Are all London boroughs finding out on the 17th? And is there a specific time that we can check online?
It's funny, I'm not at all worried that I'll not get a place for DD3 at one of the 6 I put down, but I am nervous at the same time for absolutely no sensible reason.
FTS the email goes out at 5pm so I'm guessing it's online at that time too. I'll be leaving the DCs in the kitchen with a pizza whilst I quietly sob in front of the computer!!
Pyrrah it really depends on how many siblings they have for our 1st choice. Last year was the tightest year they've had (90 places in total and 50 went to siblings!!!!) but I think that's because it came 3 years after a bulge class, so that's an extra class of siblings than normal. If it lessens this year then we would hopefully get in by September. We'd be unlucky not to get in by then and if it comes to it, I'll take whatever they offer and move him Mid-Year to 1st choice. We're 580 metres away. Sigh.
Does anyone know how quickly you can find out your place on the waiting lists?
Thanks Loz. Yes, I suspect I shall do the same, probs with a glass of wine
19th here, trying not to think about it. I've applied for an out of area school as her siblings go there but because it's a faith school sibling attendance doesn't apply unless there's a tie. Feeling moderately hopeful.
16th here, we can log in on the website at 2 minutes past midnight apparently. So that's when it will crash, won't it?
Getting really nervy. Would love DD1 to go to 1st choice school SO MUCH, and as the 3 others we've put down are very popular, it's just as likely if we don't get into our first choice, that we will get the one school we really didn't want her to go to.
It feels like such a lottery. Was looking for a hand-holding thread like this!
We find out on the 30th. Our first choice is in a different LA but usually under subscribed so I have spent four months wavering between confident and not.
We have a three tier system in this county so I'll be here doing this again when DS is 8...
We have over 30 schools within a 5 mile radius of our home address. It's a smallish rural town, so that takes into account all the villages surrounding, too. The one we've put down as first choice is 1.8miles away (as the crow flies) but is still only our 13th nearest, according to the LEA website. It takes me about 7 minutes to drive there, but in doing so I pass 4 other schools en route!
I assumed everyone only got 3 choices, some people seem to get 4 or 6. Are they mostly big cities? I don't think I even know what the 6 schools nearest us are called!
TheOneWithTheHair - another one who finds out on the 15th, and I know we are in the same areaish
First DC here, and our first choice is 0.2miles away and outstanding rated. If DS gets in there, he will know quite a few other children as all my friends/neighbours have their DCs there.
Second choice is C0fE and also oustanding, and is 0.5miles away. DS wouldn't know anyone there, but I quite liked that school, so wouldn't be too unhappy. Also they get better SAT results than the first choice school.
Third choice is catholic and is good rated, and is literally at the end of our street, so the nearest school. Only "bad" thing is that it's catholic and DH is very against sending the DCs to a catholic school (we are aethist/buddist, and DH is a teacher at a catholic school). But I go to a playgroup there once a week with the DCs are the staff are so lovely and I know all the teachers really well. So from my POV it won't be a total disaster as I know that DS will be well looked after there.
So I'm not too nervous. Only 3 choices here though.
Good luck choceyes. Make sure you come back to say how you got on.
Where are you based Periwinkle? London people get 6 choices. I had assumed that was standard across England at the very least.
Another nervous first timer waiting here. We get 5 choice (Yorkshire) and iv used all my options. Hated our catchment school so have of course put down an outstanding school out of catchment (as I'm sure have the rest of the people who live near me with reception age children)! We find out on 16th. Debated waiting up but I won't sleep if its not good news plus as somebody up thread said the website will probably crash. I probably won't sleep anyway that night though!
Dorset. only 3 choices here.
We actually only put 2 this time as sibling for the Church school which is virtually next door to us and meet all criteria and our second choice is our catchment school which is less than 0.2 of a mile away. 3rd nearest is a different Church school we don't qualify for, then the other schools are all way oversubscribed anyway and we are too far to even be considered so no point.
I think you can get more than 3 choices if you are on the edge of 2 authorities so can apply for 3 with each.
I had just assumed everyone got 3. Can understand in London though as there are a lot more people and a lot more schools.
Wow that's quite a lot of variation.
Six makes sense here as I've got 17 state primary schools within a mile (straight line measurement) of my house.
And should say that we've probably only got a realistic chance of getting into the one closest to our house, which is less than 0.1 miles. Next week can't come soon enough to put me out of the misery of waiting.
Find out on 16th (Greater Manchester). Put down all 6 choices but really want first or second choice. We get an email but we don't have to wait for the email, we can login to the online system to see the result. Nervous!
Barbabeau are you in London perchance? I also have around 16/17 primaries within a mile or so.
17th for us here too, sw London. we have a new school opening locally so no guarantees on what effect that will have on catchments. I'm hoping it'll work in our favour but who knows!
I think ours is out on the 17th. Not too worried as DS1 is at the linked Junior school (for admission purposes) so DS2 gets a sbling priority. But tbh if he gets any of the ones I put down I won't be bothered as they are all fine.... I have however not put any of my immediately nearest schools as they are all church schools and we are athiests.
This area I think the forthcoming reception is going to be massively full. The Nurseries are certainly very full.
Ninja - I wonder if you're near me? We have two new ones - one attached to an oversubscribed secondary and another on B High Road. I think there's also another Free School opening too, but it's a faith one so not for us.
Yes in SE London in an area with growing number of young children and squeeze on school places.
Just checked my last address and it had 26 primary schools within a straight distance mile. We appear to have reduced the number of choices by moving.
Another one waiting until early May here. Hoping to get into catchment school but if not the next nearest would be fine so trying not to fret.
fuckthis, not the same area but I doubt you're too far
Lozario - if you're in Southwark then waiting lists are being handled by the schools themselves now rather than via the LA, so just get on the phone to the school office asap.
Not sure what is happening in Lambeth/Lewisham.
My first choice is taking a bulge class for the first time this year so should be the best chance ever of getting a place as there will be comparatively very few siblings. Fingers crossed.
We're in Lambeth. Everyone I speak to say they're not bothered which school their child gets, as long as it's fairly local and isn't the one beginning with F!!!
The problem is Lozario that the school beginning with F will just end up with all the people who didn't get any of their choices. We have a school beginning with P here which is the same. Nobody wants it and last year they only had 6 people apply for reception!
If we get it, we are going to appeal.
Nervous as we find out tomorrow, I know DS will get a school, probably not our first choice but good chance of second or third and we put down our catchment as fourth so fairly safe. Some of the schools round here have expanded as there were some children without a place last year. Many of the schools are oversubscribed here none within distance to us seriously failing but some have become academies recently. At least I will know and can start planning for September though!
Lorenzo doesn't the one beginning with 'F' have a decent chance or turning itself around? If it is the one I'm thinking of, part of a bigger federation of schools? New building looks alright as well.
Good luck for the people finding out tomorrow.
Barbabeau yes that's the one, and you might be right... but no one seems to want to be the first parents to plump for it! However, I must say that the closer the day comes, weirdly the less I'm stressing. I think I've worried so much that I've actually bored myself out of worrying.
Nervous first timer here, feeling quite anxious now. We find out on the 16th.
We could list 3 preferences, we're in catchment for the one we listed first. But it is the best primary for miles and I won't relax until Tuesday. I regret our 3rd preference and I'm worrying DS might get placed there as it is the biggest and it's the one were kids get put from miles away if they don't get in their own catchment. I wish I'd never put it down now. I've also since heard lots of stories about people using GPs addresses to get in at the preferred school.
Fingers crossed for all of us.
7 more days to wait for us. But also due to have a baby (EDD was yesterday!) so ever so slightly distracted, it'll be a busy/long 7 days I think
Good luck everyone
We find out by email on the 16th. I am quite anxious now so glad to see this thread!
We get 3 choices. Will be pretty happy if DS gets any one of the 3 but I am worried. No 1 is great but a very long shot. No 2 also very good, very close to us but small so fewer places. No 3 good but like the others oversubscribed. The next nearest school is a Not Good At All School, and was undersubscribed last year - so quite a few kids got allocated to it when they hadn't named it in their three choices. Really hoping that doesn't happen for us, but we're on a run of bad luck atm so this will either break it or ramp it up even more
Good luck to everyone.
19th here. In theory it should be fine as we are only about a minutes walk away, but other people in a similar situation haven't got in previously...
<tries not be stressed out>
Well we got 4th choice which is our catchment school, slightly disappointed as it's split infant and juniors and the KS2 results have taken a plunge in the last 3 years. So I guess we might look to move him Y3. Also the ofsted has flagged that they don't really stretch brighter children. I guess that means much of the stretching will have to take place at home. On a plus the pastoral care is supposed to be really good though. Is it worth staying on waiting lists for our higher choices at all?
Snazzy - that sounds very stressful. Remember though that next week is just the start of the process. It is perfectly possible that, even if you get allocated a school you are not keen on, you could still get an offer from a 'better' school off the waiting lists anytime between now and September.
Some councils also open bulge classes between April and September too and some people get lucky with those. You just need to make sure you are on every waiting list you can be added to.
And, for Reception, parents have the option to defer:
Any parent is allowed to defer their place until after the child turns 5 (or in the case of Summer babies until some point in the last months of reception when the child is still 4 but much nearer 5 - if you defer beyonfd reception they don't hold your place open).
If you got allocated a school you really didn't want, you can accept the place (as all parents are advised to do) and tell them you wish to defer. The school have no say in this at all - they have to allow it and must keep the space reserved for you.
So you can keep the child at home or nursery until (hopefully) a better school can be obtained through sitting on numerous waiting lists. This saves starting a child at one school then moving them later on.
... and if no better offer comes up from the waiting list, you still at least have a place to go to once you have exhausted all of the better options. Many people defer for other reasons too (eg if they think their child is not ready and need a few more months at home / nursery).
The final option for parents is to appeal. Appeals are hard to win for reception places since numbers are restricted by laws on class sizes and therefore parents can only win in very limited circumstances (mainly to do with LA mistakes in the admissions process not to do with disliking the allocated school)
Email on the 19th. I am a gibbering wreck.
We unusually have only one choice down - slightly odd geography (sort of peninsular of our county sticking into next county and ending in small town with two highly oversubscribed schools with tiny catchement areas. We've applied for the only school between us and that town if that makes sense) and school popularity means that if he doesn't get into that one, there would be no way he'd get into anything except our nearest school in the other direction which is dire and never full.
Both DSs are at preschool and nursery at that school and it's the only school anywhere near us with before and after school care which will let me get to work on time.
I'm in a right state!
gggrrrgh. Hertfordshire county council have sent me the same email on the 4th, 10th and today reminding me to make sure I have my login details. thanks, I do, really! Is this email going to be sent every day next week??? It's not helping my anticipatory panic levels (I'm not stressed or panicking, but I can't think of a better word right now...)
Was worried that none of ds's friends had chosen the school he should get into, but have found a number now who have. His two best.friends from nursery will be at another, though (one has sibling there, other lives next door). I think like someone said upthread I'm now bored of worrying - so now nervous about childcare and work etc...
Just got my email with the link to click on at 00:01 on 15th. I will definitely be staying up on Sunday night.
We're 16th too. There were only 3 practical choices but 2 are oversubscribed. The one we liked best is undersubscribed (it's good but 80% of the families where we are live closer to the other schools so aren't keen on it)
Really we should be okay and get at least one - but I'm stressing anyway! Parent of PFB nerves I'm mostly worried none of her friends will end up at the same school, and there's absolutely nothing I can do about that.
16th here too.
I'm pretty sure we'll get our first choice as we're in the catchment and they've never refused a place. Last year's intake was 57 out of 60 places and that included at least one child from out of county (parent works here). Holding off on buying uniform obviously.
If not our second choice will help me lose weight (1.5 miles uphill and by then I'm at the gym which is next door) and again they seem to have enough places.
For all of you who are worried that your dcs won't know anyone. It only really matters for about the first three days. I promise.
Last weekend not knowing.......
Waiting to hear about a Middle school place on the 16th. We were told by Admissions to apply under 'Other' category rather Distance than due to something that happened to DD at our catchment middle school when she was there. Hope the person knew what they were in about, I feel very nervous about the whole thing.
I wasn't worried about him not knowing people at the school once he starts, but being upset at nursery for the months beforehand!
Some people round the corner from me didn't get any of their 6 choices last year, until one school was ordered to take a bulge class - 3 days before the end of summer term...
16th here too! These next few days are going to be the slowest ever!! Do we get an email sent to us or do we have to log in on the council website to find out????
We find out on Tuesday, Hampshire.
TBH it shouldn't be a problem as DD is a younger sibling and gets priority over new intake pupils.
Ive already filled out her uniform order form to give to the office in a weeks time.
I agree that the not knowing anyone only matters for the first couple of days then you + your dc's will get to know loads of people.
Was just looking for a thread like this.
We find out on 15th. Absolutely bricking it. Have applied to an oversubscribed school for first choice, I really want ds3 to go there. Can go either way as we are within the furthest distance thing for the past three years so fingers crossed.
If we don't get first choice we will definitely get second, which is the school his older brother goes to, but he is only there another year and I have issues with the school.
Already breaking out in coldsores with the stress of it.
Good luck everyone.
TheOneWith thanks the reassuring words; however, notcitrus - I'm in the same boat. I know my DS will make friends at school, but he still has 4 months to go at nursery and is close to his pals there, and has already been asking 'will I be going to the same school as X?' about his various friends at nursery. In some cases I already know he won't, but I have been trying to put off discussion until we actually know where he is going. I am really hoping there isn't a gaggle of them chatting about their schools on Tuesday with my DS at a different one - it's quite likely that not many will be going where he is. I may have a word with his keyworker on Monday about it.
I also don't know when the email will arrive. I will definitely stay up and check mine at 00.01 on the 16th. I can also log into the local authority site where they you will be able to see the decision on the 16th but not when! I wonder if they'll tell me if I ring the council helpline...
I've just checked and I can log on after midnight on Thursday to check, rather than waiting for the email. Chances of the website actually working?
kungfu heh, not sure I like those odds.
Just rang council. School team not in till Monday (why aren't they slaving away all weekend? ) so I will ring then about time of announcement. I'm not fixated!
I was absolutely fixated about 4 weeks ago - I couldn't possibly imagine how I was going to get through the next few weeks without knowing. I then somehow forgot about it and it's crept up on me.
I'm now back in a complete frenzy of panic!
I'm not as bad as I was a few months ago because I've heard enough stories to make me realise that what happens on Wednesday isn't the be all and end all, and I'm also getting by with a fair amount of red wine!!! But Tues evening I can't imagine that I'll be good for much - and tuesday is such an awful TV night too!!!
I have a really odd situation. Find out Wednesday evening for DC2, fair enough.
Top two positions on our list are two great schools but some distance away so fairly unlikely to get in but figured it was worth a shot. Third is our local, "was great, went suddenly crap, apparently going back to great under a new head", school, which she'll almost certainly get into. Fourth is the school that DC1 currently attends as it was the only one with spaces when we moved here nearly six months ago which isn't ideal for a bunch of reasons I won't bore anyone with, logistics being one of them.
Except, and this is a total law of sod, DC1 has just been offered a place at the local school, third on DC2's list. The deadline for confirming acceptance? Wednesday, presumably by the end of office hours. In other words, just a few hours before we find out where DC2 goes that evening.
If DC2 gets into either of the first two on our list, then I would not want to move DC1 just so she can move yet again before too long (she is on the waiting list for the other two schools as well and having a sibling there would bump her right up) If DC2 does get into our local then it's all fine. I'm going to ring the admissions department tomorrow and see if they'll let me have another day to decide as this is just crazy!! I really hope somebody there has common sense and not a "computer says no" attitude or I will cry.
My head is spinning with it all and I think I need a !
Letters are sent out on Wednesday, couldn't do online because way too much paperwork to hand in (moved house, and even though old address is even closer to school, they wanted tons of official letters).
I only put one school down. Our local school, three reception classes. I wasn't at all worried until I found out that other parents as close to school as we are put 5 schools down, even though they have siblings there.
Decided I'm not getting stressed about it. If she doesn't get in, I'll home school (erm, not )
Our website has changed so there's a 'view offer' button and a link on the bottom to accept offers. Just need the offer to show now, roll on Tuesday. I take comfort in the fact that after this time I'll have gone through the process five out if the six times I have to in total for both DC's.
We are also waiting to hear about DS's place, should get an email about 5ish on Wednesday I think. We live less than 0.2 miles away from the school we would like and DD is already at that school so we are assuming that all will be well but not counting chickens.
Went through this 2 years ago when we applied for a place for DD and man, it was stressful. We didn't get our first choice (but did get our second) and I was devastated at the time. BUT the school that was our first choice at the time has just been put into special measures and the school that DD did get was awarded Ofsted outstanding in her second term there.
Just to show how quickly things can change, it's not all dependent on this one day! It's such an emotional time though. Parents round here are already getting stressy about secondary schools which I just cannot begin to get my head around yet.
16th for me.
Really worried this time dc1 and 2 go to our 1st choice but out of catchment, last sept some siblings never got a place.
2nd choice isnt to bad dc2 would happily move but dc1 who is in the jrs really doesn't want to move school.
Roll on Tuesday .
Oh Murder, how unhelpful! Hope they can sort something out on the phone for you.
Just checked ours, ds3 got second choice which is current school he goes to. Happy with that, knew I was pushing it with the first choice.
Good luck everyone else.
We got first choice but it was sibling priority and dd is already there so I wasn't too worried. How did you get on choceyes? Glad you are happy LegoAcupuncture.
Good luck everyone else.
Just checked and we're still waiting.
But they have my daughters name spelled incorrectly. Someone has obviously decided I'm too stupid to get her name right on the application and has helpfully changed it to the more common spelling.
Helpful huh? Oh well I'll sort it with the school later.
So not all areas go up at one minute past midnight on the relevant date?im not sure I can cope with an extra few hours after the deadline. I might have exploded messily by then!
elfycat that's unbelievable.
Deep breaths kungfupannda. You'll be fine, come what may.
[explodes messily and prematurely]
Yuk. That sounded faintly sexual. You know what I meant!
It's offers day in my LEA. DS2 got our first choice.
I get ya, kungfu. I'm tremendously nervous. We get emails at 2pm on Tuesday, but apparently, last year they were on the website earlier than that.
DS1 is in the preschool and thinks he is going to reception, it's oversubscribed and we are about 0.6 miles away, which is quite a distance, and just on the parish boundary.
I just rang the council and they'll let me have another few days to make my decision over DC1's in year place due to the somewhat unfortunate timing of the offer for DC2. So that's a relief - they are human there after all. Cannot wait until Thursday when we'll know for sure what is going on though!
argh! I could've sworn it was the 15th and I was half expecting an e-mail this morning, but went on the website and they said it was the 16th. I had it in my head that it was the 16th if you applied by post, but would be informed on the 15th by e-mail if applying online...hhhmm
Anyway will have to wait till tomorrow now.
TheOneWithTheHair - that's great news
Oh choc how frustrating! Oh well only one day to go.
Murder thank goodness, that must be a weight off!
Panda hahaha that made me laugh!
Our email comes at 5pm on wednes. That's gonna be a long day!
Glad people are getting good news through. We must be one of the latest dates to hear.
Ours isn't until Thursday. I have two very popular schools down for 1st and 2nd and the local, very unpopular one for 3rd.
Not all that worried: DD is an August baby so she doesn't have to start school until Y1.
Our website is down for maintenance ... has been for at least a week since I went to check I could log in ok. Now I don't know if it'll be running for tomorrow, or if I get an email too anyway, or if I need to wait for a postal letter instead if they can't fix it.
Aaaagh. Am eating chocolate by the ton and trying not to count the hours. I am jealous of all those with older siblings and nearer houses who haven't had a moment of worry about their place, it simply hasn't occured to them that this year is so high a birth rate year that the village school is not big enough for all the village kids anymore.
MurderofProse thank heavens for common sense!
I just rang the council to ask what time the emails would be sent out and the woman I spoke to said when secondary schools were announced she got hers at 12.25 am and they would start sending them from midnight but they would be staggered throughout the day. Advice was: if nothing's arrived by midday, check the spam folder and also call them.
So I'll be staying up tonight and obsessively hitting refresh after midnight tonight. Anyone else?
We find out on Friday and I'm already chewing my nails! DD is the PFB so we haven't been through this before. We live next door to our catchment school and it was our first choice so I assumed that it was a pretty sure thing, but one of my neighbours told me that her eldest didn't get in there.
I wonder why that was?!
We had a talk from an admissions person at one of the open days and she was really laying on the "Don't forget to apply!" She said that every year parents didn't remember to apply, or didn't think they needed to because they lived so close etc.
They said late afternoon tomorrow ... but if that website doesn't stop displaying the maintenance notice I'll be calling in time to know before office hours close!!
It's weird that there's a coordinated national offers day for secondaries, but the primary allocations get announced at different times in different places. It would be better to have a single date so everyone can have their angst end at the same time.
Another one waiting to hear about PFB DS's reception place. Think I am abnormal as I'm not that stressed about it, but then we're in the position of having many decent schools in the borough and me currently not working, so less stress from an organisational point of view.
I will be a bit pissed off if we get something quite far away, but from talking to other local parents it seems the waiting list approach mostly pays off.
We find out on Wednesday.
Ugh, I was thinking it was "probable" that DC2 would get into our local, being 150m away. But I had a look around today to ask questions on behalf of DC1's offer and they said there were 18-20 siblings for a one form entry. In previous years there has never been more than 15 or so, AND the furthest out then was 300m. So there's a reasonable chance DC2 might not get in.
If that's the case and she doesn't get in, if DC1 started there on, say, Monday.. when they do their second round of allocations based on responses can we reclassify DC2 as now having a sibling there so as to bump her to the top of the waiting list? I could probably ring them and ask, or more realistically, not fret over it until I know I need to, but you know how these things are..
48 hours to go!
I wasn't stressed at all about DC1 where we lived before as the outstanding school was literally 50m away over the back fence with a three form entry, and the maximum distance was 800m or something!! Guess I'm paying for that easy ride now..
Argh, 4 hours to go!
(til the council website crashes!)
Good luck everyone finding out tonight!
We are expecting an email on 16th, but it also says you can log in to find out. Do you think this would be at 12.01am or is it likely to be much later in the day???
our website says 12.01am, but I think the emails will be sent out throughout the day, probably in alphabetical order I'd guess.
I am very stressed. I think my online site (if they fix it) is promising to have something on it by late afternoon tomorrow.
Doesn't stop me refreshing it regularly. I just want to be able to log in even if there is no answer til tomorrow, at least I'd know the site was working!
Same as Joyful here.
My catchment school is my second choice, and easier logistically. I'm not sure what I'm going to feel until I know whether we have got 1st or 2nd choice!
19th for us. I'm starting to panic a bit and question my choices.
When DD went to school years ago there was only one in the whole village. She attended the nursery and it was just a form as a formality so I've never had all of this.
I am not too worried over 1st or 2nd choice to be honest but scared we'll end up somewhere else altogether. DD got a secondary 3 miles away that wasn't even a choice. She was the only child from her school to go there Really worried it will be the same here.
For me it's been going on over a year since we got put on the waiting list for the school nursery. Before we moved here the school said oh no problem for places, you are in catchment, in the village itself, no worries at all.
Then the waiting list letter came instead of the offer and suddenly they were a lot vaguer. Aaaaaagh.
Must go and sleep but still refreshing the site.
Online site just says 'system error' so dd is hoping for an email re dgs.
slp123 I rang our council to ask this earlier, and was told they will start sending them at midnight but it will go on for a while as there are so many. Person I spoke to said it probably was worth looking just after midnight, so I will be doing that. DS is in the first half of the alphabet so I will hope they send it quickly!
Eeek, two hours to go!
We are 2nd half, so could be while if that the case here. Really wishing I hadn't stayed up so late last night as really want go bed now but equally itching to know.
Not sure how I am going to feel as choice 1 & 2 were long shot and 3 is our catchment school which I would be happy with but just not sure how I'm going to feel when I see the outcome!
Our online system is working. First choice.
Can buy uniform finally!!
Good luck to everyone else.
results due in at half past midnight here! Just been on the site just in case it started showing from midnight, but nothing there yet! We only moved to the area in Jan (a week before the application deadline which was stressful in itself!). Our first choice is our local RC. Would have been pretty much guaranteed getting in to our RC primary in our old town, but moved house due to husband's new job, so not sure what our chances are here - apparently it's a high birth year, with a lot of siblings! Fingers crossed
Fell asleep and woke up at 12.01am. First choice!!! Can't quite believe it! Good luck everyone!
Yay! DS got his first choice. Phew! That's a weight off.
Still can't accept yet, as the form isn't working, but a place has been offered.
I can go to sleep now.
Fingers crossed for everyone else waiting up.
Yay TeWi ! Good luck Izzie and others.
Our online system is also working - I am logged in and looking at the 'View Your Offer' link, but am waiting for DH to come back down (up settling DS who woke up hot and bothered) so we can open it together.
Impressive self-control snazzy!
Sorry for those with longer waits - hopefully next year when it's the same date for everyone it will be earlyish!
Second choice! I am actually well pleased with this. The first choice school we put down was always, we knew a very, very long shot (probably only about 6 places available). The offered place is literally round the corner and we really liked it when we saw it.
Excellent slp ! Missed your message earlier.
Kudos to the IT system for, against all my expectations, not crashing.
First choice! Amazed the website worked fine. Now I can go to bed! Night all. Good luck to those still waiting
Some great news all round! Wonderful!!
No great news here, I'm afraid.
We were not offered ANY of our 4 choices. Instead, we have been allocated the school I mentioned earlier, which is the one and only school in the area with a bad reputation (hence it has plenty of spaces).
<sigh> Off to see the Head Teacher at our first choice, first thing tomorrow! Good job DD1 is in preschool there tomorrow!
Oh no, how really upsetting. I guess there is the hope people might decline places and she move up the lists and into a place before school actually starts, but not a great situation at all.
Gosh I've read through the thread and this is all very stressful!
Good news for those of you that got your choices but sorry to those of you who haven't.
We don't find out until the 30th but not stressed as dd1 already goes to our village school that we put down as first choice for dd2 (only three choices) and we live the closest to it by some distance out of the kids currently at the nursery, right across the road in fact.
Ah, sorry, Raising, what bad luck.
You said you would appeal if this happened? Hopefully movement on the waiting lists will help you out
I put 6 schools down expecting to get one of the first 3 as they are the closest but we got choice 5!
Out of all 6 schools it is the furthest away so I'm just so surprised. I've not even visited the school as it was just to fill in all the choices so we would get a C of E school. It sounds like a great school in just wondering about the logistics as its 3 miles away in the opposite direction to where I work.
In terms of waiting lists- what examples would free up a place in a school? Apart from someone moving house out of the area and so wanting a different school.......
There will be kids who go private, or whose parents would rather home ed then send child to school they are offered.
Perhaps you could ring and ask how many children on waiting list are usually offered a place? If they're on the list they might get a place over the next few years insteAD of before they start.
Congrats to most and commiserations to Raising and goodtoes - now starts the working out of how to navigate the next phase I guess.
I have 36 hours to go until email expected... but had long and complex dreams last night about having to go to each school and read down a list for DS's name... Some schools put the whole school roll up and you could see groups of 5 with the same surname (just think of the data protection!! mind you anyone who has 5 kids all at primary school has my respect) and then beside the name were colour/animal symbols for what work groups they would be in and which teacher would be their pastoral contact. In this dream he got first choice though, and the Deputy Head for pastoral... bizarre pregnant dreams...!!
If appeals are successful then they free up school places where the children were offered places initially. Don't pin your hopes on it tho, unless you're 1st or 2nd it's highly unlikely you'd get offered a place.
Sorry Raising Fingers crossed for lots of movement on the waiting list. Really pleased for those of you with what you wanted.
2.5 hours to wait here. Not slept much as for the upper school allocations they are usually up a bit before they are supposed to and I was very hopeful the same woukd happen today. But it didn't . As the time gets closer I feel really stressed about him going to DD's old school, memories of the whiteness that happened to her are coming back. Though I know it will be different for him and the Head's going, I just don't want to spend the next 4 years seeing the place.
Anyone waiting to hear from Derby today?
The website hasn't changed since last night. I'm not sure what time their decisions 'go live' iyswim.
First choice here. I was quite anxious because DD1 goes to special school, but DD2 moved school abruptly between the application deadline and the 'change due to exceptional circumstances' deadline.
DD2's old school (which was outstanding, but we couldn't keep her there a moment longer) was listed as first choice for DD3 and we were guaranteed a place, due to sibling link and distance!
So we had lots of ping pong discussions with various people to find out if 'will send my child there my dead body' and change of sibling school attendance counted as 'an exceptional change of circumstance'. Finally the admissions team said 'yes' and changed DD3's preferences, but I never trusted it just in case something went wrong.
Anyway, she was criteria 3 on the list, after LAC and Statemented children, in a two form entry, so pretty much guaranteed a place.
Sort for those who didn't get what they hoped for
I hadn't realised so many places had their results day earlier than ours - we have to wait till Friday. Why isn't there a single day that everyone hears? Still nervously waiting but trying not to as it's relatively unlikely that we'll fail to get one or other of our top 3, but it's really hard to not know.
Re waiting lists, I think I'm right in saying all the schools run them themselves, so I would get on the phone ASAP in the morning.
Still waiting for DD's 'result'. I know other Hampshire parents have had their e-mail so I'm getting impatient that ours hasn't come through yet.
I'm not sure TiWi. When we moved then quickly came back year's ago, the Head couldn't confirm the place hadn't been filled. I thought they were run centrally by Admissions but could be wrong
Good luck to you all.
LEAs hold the waiting lists, so best to phone them (I did so daily ).
Oops, yes you're right it's the lea. Sorry! Not sure where I got that from.
Still waiting here. The e-mail acknowledgement of application says after 7.30 am. I've logged in but can still only see the application, so nothing yet.
I got no sleep last night thinking we'd find out at 7.30. I wonder if they're doing it in batches
LAs run waiting lists unless the school is its own admission authority (an academy or a VA church school) in which case the council deals with all initial allocations but the school does the waiting lists.
We got 1st choice for yr and y3. Relieved.
We got our third choice. When I put it down I thought I'd be happy enough if we got it. But I'm not, I've been in tears twice already. Our email doesn't even tell us how much we missed out by. Every previous year for the last five we would have been within the effective catchement area for our first choice school. It's going to be a tough day.
The schools are all full, so little point appealing unless they have stuffed up the distances. Don't know how good our chances will be on the waiting list either.
Oh god, feel a bit sick.
My website just says mid morning, how unspecific is that? I know it probably means 11ish, but I keep checking anyway......
Good luck to everyone waiting to hear.
Sorry to hear your news Amanda, it's just all so random isn't it? Hopefully you'll be high on the waiting list for your first choice.
Amanda - sorry to hear it isn't the news you wanted.
The waiting lists won't swing into action for a little while (they have to wait until all the acceptances are back) but if you are close enough to have got a place at the school last year, it is likely you will be near the top of the waiting list this year.
There's no guarantees but people get offers from lists all through the Summer so it could still happen.
If you want to know how much you missed out by (and check no mistake has been made) you can ask the LA for the 'last distance offered to a person in your admission category this year' i.e. how far out were placed offered for non siblings this year.
The phones might be busy but you can often email them too.
It said 9.30 on our website, but I got an email at about 6.45 this morning. Got 1st choice so am well chuffed!
We find out this evening. No time given but I think it'll be about 6pm. I've only put 1 choice down as anywhere else isn't a possibility. DS1 is already at the school however there's no sibling criteria unless they're baptised which my DC aren't. DS1 has asd and full 1-1 so moving him isn't an option. I can't be in 2 places at once so just got to keep everything crossed that DD gets in. It's an undersubscribed school so should be okay but I won't be happy until I see the offer. Good luck to everyone still waiting.
Thanks Tiggy and Ensign.
Tiggy - thanks for the info on the waiting list. It ties in with what I thought. I'm waiting to see if I get a letter in the post today - the website says that, if you apply online and get your first choice you don't get a hard copy letter. Annoyingly, it doesn't say what happens if you don't get your first choice and implies you get a reason, so I'm going to wait out the mad phone lines and see if I get a letter which adds anything. Then I'll start phoning and emailing to find out what's gone on. Am hoping against hope that they stuffed up our distances. It seems so unfair that every bloody year for the last five she'd have got in (no data further back) with a bit to spare and this year she hasn't.
I keep looking at DD1 and nearly bursting into tears. We are new to town and most children she knows from pre-school will go to a school across town near her pre-school. The only local ones she knows are almost certain to get into our first choice - the live right on the doorstep.
Amandapayne, I'm in Hampshire and our email said that if you don't get your choice, you get a letter telling you why and what distance the last place offered was.
Amanda - your letter should say the last distance offered for a child in your category.
So if you are in the 'no siblings' category and live 800m away from the school, you'd expect the letter to tell you the last distance offered for your category was 750m or similar and confirm that you live 800m away.
Sometimes not getting a place when you expect to indicates a mistake and it is good to check this hasn't happened.
Sometimes however, it can just be bad luck. If there are 2 or 3 sets of twins who live closer than you do or already have a sibling at the school, the catchment can shrink hugely.
The same applies if houses are being converted into flats closer to the school or more siblings are applying this year due to a bulge class 3 years ago or if the school recently got a good Ofsted and more people listed the school than they do normally. So many factors can shrink a catchment but that doesn't mean you shouldn't double check.
Yes waiting but have until Friday to stress out even more... We find out by post though, apparently we get a letter at the same time the school get theirs. Can't find out online (unless I've misunderstood).
Is there anyone in Devon that can correct me??
We got our first choice for DC1 yayyy!! Not sure what to do next though. It doesn't give me an option for accepting the offer on the website, or in the e-mail. I guess they will send the offer by post too?
Sorry for those who didn't get their preferred choices Hope you have some luck in the waiting lists.
Offered second choice, where DD was bullied. Will go on waiting list.
First choice offered. Very relieved.
Sorry to hear it's not been good news for all.
So pleased for everyone who's got good news and commiserations to those who didn't - I've got a gut feeling I'm going to be in the latter group, so may be joining you for some wailing and gnashing of teeth on Friday!
So frustrating that there's no clarity about when and how the information comes through. My confirmation email says that the info will be emailed on 19th - no time given - but the website says you can log on to check - again no time given so I'm assuming it will be the same as last year when my friend was able to check at 12.01.
If it's alphabetical, we're in the first few letters, so hopefully first or second batch.
I've just logged onto Admissions website - we got our first choice. Very pleased. Accepted it straight away
I emailed the admissions office. Apparantly the website will spring to life at 5pm today.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh. <eats more chocolate>
By the way - do they ususally do distances from school as walking routes, roads or crow flies?
It varies from area to area Lovethesea but should be on the admissions policy of the school - possibly underneath the main criteria.
Found it, crow flies apparantly. Using post office post code points on an OS map.
Come on 5pm.
Crow flies for us too - it works in our favour as we are in a village with mainly fields between us and town with preferred school. If they measured it by road, we'd be a whole lot further away.
Ooh. If it's post office code points we get about a hundred yards closer. We are a tiny post code!
[cheers for extra hundred yards of hope]
Got first choice. And breathe. Can't quite believe it
Best of luck to everyone else x
Still waiting here.
Should be on website this evening so not sure what time. I feel sick with nerves and im not hopeful
I have now plotted our crow flies distance to the school post code marker.
This does nothing to help the outcome at all but makes me feel like I am doing something useful.
And I know they are putting the info online at 5pm when they go home so they don't have to deal with a million phonecalls straight afterwards.
Too true Lovethesea. For secondary allocations in London it was 5pm too.
We were convinced that meant one member of admissions staff pressing the 'send' button whilst another one has her hand on the light switch and the third one leads the charge to the front doors shouting "nobody answer the phones!"
Our website says we should have been informed - I haven't heard anything. Getting stressed now.
I think I've name changed sine I posted earlier on this thread, but we got the school we wanted. They e-mailed us this morning.
The next 36 hours could not go fast enough. DD1's current headteacher seems to know somehow that she has an in-year offer (who would have told her? the LA or the potential new headteacher?) and is expecting her to leave which makes things awkward when we haven't been able to make a decision yet.
If the first three schools all fall through for DD2, which isn't outside the realms of possibility, then DD1 will be staying at her current school and DD2 will be joining her as her current school is fourth and last preference.
Big commiserations to those of you who got bad news. I wish you lots of luck with moving up the waiting list and appeals if they're warranted.
Right off to walk a mile to the village school to get DD from nursery.
If we don't get a place there we will never be able to walk to school. The next village's school is down a single track 60mph country road with no pavement.
Have a feeling I am going to be very sad at 5pm today. Trying to keep a grip but it has so many implications for us all, not just DD.
Tomorrow for us (we're in Surrey). I wasn't bothered 2 weeks ago when we put our house on the market as I thought we would definitely be leaving the area, but no offer on the house yet so I am getting nervous now!
Sigh. Just been looking at the journey to our no. 3 school. Hadn't looked that closely before as it's the next closest anyway, so anything else was further. School 1 and 3 are both just over 0.5 of a mile away as the crow flies. But whereas school 1 is almost the same on foot, school 3 is over a mile away by road. So we are looking at about a half hour walk each way. Two hours of my day (and DD2's day) every day.
I just want to sob. Still no post so no idea how close or how far we are from eligibility.
Tomorrow evening for us in oversubscribed Lewisham. Genuinely have no idea which school DD will get as so many families have been moving into the area within the past 6 months, and last year there were local bulge classes whereas this year the bulge classes are both in the neighbouring area which effectively means more children and less places close by.
Trying not to stress and will be happy if we get any of the 6 choices, but as there is a chance we'll not get any and have a hefty commute its difficult not to be panicking!
Wrt to waiting lists, if we moved before September closer to one of the schools (small chance this will happen) does this mean we'd move up the list accordingly?
choceyes Ours doesn't say how you accept either. Are you supposed to ring, email, will there be a reply slip in the letter? Ah well.
My email says:
To accept the place offered please contact the school within ten school days from 16th April, letting them know if you intend to accept the place and withdraw your application from other schools. You are not obliged to withdraw other applications and you can accept a place in the school and pursue applications for other schools, taking into account the waiting list procedure detailed above.
Lovethesea fingers crossed for you
Kungfupannda Our website had the offers from 00.01. My email came through at 00.45. So I would definitely try the website straight after midnight. I was impressed ours didn't crash!
Amanda sorry yours is so disappointing. What about school 2 if that came up?
LittlePickle - in my area yes you would. Works the other way too, I could slide down the waiting list because someone moves in closer to the school than me.
And to think we left our massively oversubscribed London borough partly to avoid this happening to us..... Although our no.3 school is miles nicer than our likely allocated school back in London.
Snazzy - no.2 school is nice, but it's a faith school. Often they only have 2 or 3 places for non-siblings, non-vicar's letter children. So we put it down because otherwise we didn't have four schools for our list, but I don't think it's worth pursuing. It'll be 1 or 3 realistically.
email this morning (Kirklees Council ). First choice! Across the road and Outstanding ! v pleased.
Wrt to waiting lists, if we moved before September closer to one of the schools (small chance this will happen) does this mean we'd move up the list accordingly?
Yes you would. Expect to have to submit a lot of proof to the council if you do this though as people have been known to try to rent short term to get bumped up the waiting lists with the intention of moving back to their real home after they get a school place.
The council will want to see not only evidence of your new address but evidence that your old address is nolonger valid too (eg you've sold it)
Thanks for that info. Definitely would only be moving because we have sold, but as we haven't even gone on the market yet I'm not holding out for a completed move before September!
We'll just have to keep our fingers crossed that if we are unsuccessful tomorrow that the waiting lists come good. I never thought I'd be the type to be angsty over schools, but its so different when you are facing a 2 hour round trip twice a day and no local friends for your child.
Fucking stupid council. Got letter. Just says '60 children have a stronger claim'. No info. Called the council. Seemed very confused and said that they couldn't release distance information because it was private, and that they didn't have it anyway.
That sounds wrong Amanda - perhaps try again and speak to someone else? Of course the distance information isn't private! You need to know in case they have made a mistake. Must be stressful, I feel for you
My council is famously tetchy with their info. I had to submit a freedom of information request to access previous years effective catchment. I have just emailed and will do another FOI if I need to.
Amanda - that is not acceptable
The LA must tell you why you have been declined a place and saying 60 children beat you to it does not count as a reason!
The part of the ADMISSIONS CODE you need is this:
2.24 Right to appeal - When an admission authority informs a parent of a decision to refuse their child a place at a school for which they have applied, it must include the reason why admission was refused information about the right to appeal; the deadline for lodging an appeal and the contact details for making an appeal. Parents must be informed that, if they wish to appeal, they must set out their grounds for appeal in writing. Admission authorities must not limit the grounds on which appeals can be made.
Email or call again and insist that this information is given to you.
They won't tell you the address of the last person offered but they must tell you the distance.
If they really really won't tell you (and I suspect they will - the staff manning the phones today aren't all admission staff - it is far too busy so they are often front desk staff who have
no clue less information and are only there to field calls) complain and also appeal. At appeal they will have to give those details and you can withdraw the appeal if you realise no mistake has occurred but I am certain that if you insist they will tell you
2nd choice for me
Its a good school and improving but dc 1 and 2 go to my 1st choice school. I'd happily move ds but dd is in year 3, she really doesn't want to change schools, I feel gutted for her.
And if I do decide to move them when do I do it?? Now or sept so many decisions.
I'm still waiting, website says that emails will go out 'in the afternoon'. It's bloody afternoon now! Why can't they just give an actual time?
For those who are confused about how to accept, it's normally a case of taking proof of identity for your child (birth cert or passport) and 2 documents which show your name and address (utility bills, bank statements, etc.) to your offered school. They photocopy them, then it's done.
In our LEA you only respond to decline a place. If you want to accept a place you do nothing. Which honestly is ridiculous because its more likely those who don't want the place won't inform the LEA. Lots of schools are oversubscribed with lengthy waiting lists. I really don't feel like this is fair to them. Means usually they wait for the first week of school to see who doesn't turn up before they allocate to waiting list, to children who have had to go through visits etc to another school and have bought uniform etc.
for accepting places - where we are you get a letter through the post with a form you have to sign to accept the place and return.
we got our first choice school this morning - phew
We got 1st choice but it is not a hugely popular school, many people went for the neighbouring outstanding schools. I am still very happy though as just wanted the nearest school so we can walk and numbers have been higher the last couple of years.
We find out tomorrow, gulp. Very nervous that we won't get our first choice (which is the only one I really want).
I applied online (in London) and we have to respond to accept the place. We've already sent in all the documents with the application so I think we just click to say yes please.
But you then have to wait for all of the people who applied by post to receive their offer and respond so it takes quite a while for it all to shake down.
Results were up from midnight.
Come on Norfolk.... We're waiting
Anyone waiting on emails - have you checked your spam folder? I was advised to do this just in case.
Ooh hadn't thought to check spam!
I've been told late afternoon we'll be told but no harm in hacking now, right?!
Come on Norfolk.... We're waiting
Biting nails here ... not entirely sure if we get results today online, or tomorrow online. Can't stop myself checking to make sure. Does anyone else know for certain in Westminster?
Apparently all the final 'shakes' take until about end of May to get finalised here in central london, Haplesshousewife. (or so the nursery (hopefully soon to be reception school) told me).
[Gets out pompoms for Norfolk]
Give us an N. N!
Give us an O. O!
Give us an R. R!
Give us a first choice school. FIRST CHOICE SCHOOL!
Any other counties want some cheerleading from Somerset?
Can i just mention how incredibly lucky I am <without meaning to sound pompous> ... DC1 at a brilliant nursery ... but if he doesn't get into reception there, we listed 5 other schools which we would be happy to go to. (smail disclaimer: not sure how we'd be getting on if we weren't CofE tho).
My heart (and nailbiting) goes out to you parents who have true challenges with schools, unlike little old us.
... goes off to continue checking website fruitlessly ...
3 more days till results for DS (East Sussex).
Baby girl now 5 days overdue.
It's all about waiting in this house right now!
Another Norfolker waiting and waiting and refreshing and refreshing and eating too many sweeties....
After the uselessness of the local authority, I spoke direct to our first choice school. We missed out by 0.1 of a mile. Of course, I don't know how many children live in that 0.1 of a mile, but 0.1 of a mile. Around 160m. I can look at the house down our long, straight road that would have got us a place.
I have been in floods of tears and DD1 keeps asking what is wrong. She even made me a card to cheer me up. I can't possibly tell her it's her school, or she'll never want to go there.
It should mean that our odds on the waiting list aren't bad, but it means potentially months of uncertainty. And when I'm trying to settle two kids into a strange new town, the last thing I need is to have everything up in the air when everyone else knows which school they are off to and is chattering about it.
After missing the deadline for our lea (I had some crazy idea since dd was already in it was automatic) I put in a late application and accepted for our only choice school. Lucky since the school has been over subscribed for the last three years but the school gives priority to siblings
aufanaie good luck on both counts!!!
Amanda you poor thing, it's such a stress isn't it. But I have been reliably informed by parents of older children that this is just a battle in the war which doesn't actually end until September, so there is still plenty of time for waiting lists to get places. Our first choice usually has at least 100 metres added on to the furthest distance from April - Sept from what the council have told me. Last year it was an extra 125 metres and that was a "tight year" apparently. There's still hope!
This is now unsurprisingly a topic of the day. So stupid that the decisions have not been released nationally on the same day; it causes a lot of confusion. Although I saw up-thread that they are doing that next year.
5pm tomorrow for us.
Amanda - I am glad you got the information. As you say, it doesn't help much until you know how many children live in that 0.1 miles radius who are also on the list but at least it reassures you that no mistake has been made. You will know where you are on the waiting list hopefully in a couple of weeks or so.
The waiting lists aren't fun there's no denying it (I had an anxious time on waiting lists last year for my DS) but they do move and also not everyone will have got their first choice either. There will be others in the same situation as you and others who aren't happy with their allocations either.
You are doing the right thing by not letting your DD know why you're upset. It might not end up being her school and if it does, it is best she only ever hears about it in a positive light.
....and I sympathise aboot months of uncertainty. This time last year I was camped out by the letter box and jumping half a mile whenever the phone rang. The good news is, we got in off the waiting list - eventually. In fact we got 2 offers from waiting lists in total.
It really does happen even if it feels like a very miserable and slow process at the time.
Thanks Tiggy. I just want to skip past the not knowing and move to acceptance of whatever we do end up with, IYSWIM. I am crap with uncertainty.
I'm no good with not knowing either. It is a very stressful process.
It is good if you are able to approach it that the school you've been allocated is the school you'll get and try to find positives in that (looking on the website, reading old newsletters etc). If you get a waiting list offer it is a bonus.
In fact some people become so accepting of the place they've been offered that when they do get a waiting list offer later in the Summer, they don't know whether to take it or not. It is all a horrible shock at the moment so make sure you're on the waiting lists you want to be added to and then try to spend the day doing something nice.
I've been living with this uncertainty since November due to moving house and getting DC1 in a school and sitting on a waiting list wondering if she's going to get into the same school as her sister (reception 2013), and hedging our bets with both applications over four different schools. It has done my head in, make no mistake. I am hoping against hope that tomorrow finally brings a resolution to this because I have not felt settled in this new area until we can be sure they're both at their "forever-until-secondary" schools!
For those of you who didn't get the school you want and are now on waiting lists and hoping for the best, I give you lots of because you're going to need it. Especially each day when the postman comes with no new offer letter. Uncertainty really does add massively to stress levels.
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Am tempted to check back through my email and see what time Norfolk got the results out last year for DS1.... #impatientmummy
Amanda, as someone who was in a very similar sounding position - new to a new town having moved out of London, moved house at 30 weeks pg having lost our dream house, but exchanged on our compromise in order to get THE school.....and then getting the 'wrong' one, I can empathise hugely!
My son went to the 'wrong' school for his Reception year while he sat on the waiting list for our first choice - and it was heartbreaking because all of his nursery friends went on to the school we'd wanted. However, he had a fabulous year at the school we hadn't chosen, and when I had to apply for my DD, she got in and he then got in for the September of Year 1 as a sibling priority and slotted back in with some of his old friends without (too) much of a problem. So, hassle your LEA to find out exactly why you missed out (they must tell you), sit on the waiting list and remember there will probably be movement with people going private or accepting other things, so there is hope that you will get in for this year. And even if you start somewhere else and move, they adapt so fast that it will all be ok. .
We found out today and my daughter got into our local primary school with her brother
1358 the email came last year.... they're late!!!
Thanks Panic. I am sure it will be ok .And the third choice school is on the up. It is due an OFSTED. Who knows, it might do really well and become an in demand school again. It used to be good, went through a downhill and upheaval period and then started to come back up. It's the bloody distance that is killing me. We lived in the centre of town because we didn't want our lives to be tied to the car. And now, lo and behold, tied to the car. It was one of my biggest fears about leaving London and it is coming irritatingly true.
Thank you Abby - I think I am going to have to go out for a long walk with the children hoping that on our return we have news.
I bet they'll wait until they have no-one in the office to answer the phone and then will press send!
how dare they be late!
I've got to leave in 10 minutes to pick DS up <bites nails>
<am staring at OS maps with as the crow flies distance from school to us willing it to shorten>
I just rang to find out what time they are being uploaded/sent (for Norfolk)... The lady was very sweet and said between 4 and 5... Letters are being sent first class.
Panic - interested in what you said about your DC.
DS is a school year after DD so he has just been given his place for the village preschool nursery she currently attends.
His year is a lower birth rate I think, IF DD doesn't get a place, then he gets one in the catchment school next year how would DD be able to move over to year 1 here? Presumably only if someone left after the R year so there were 29 in the class?
We get the decision tomorrow. We're less than 150m from our first choice school, but I personally know at least 18 children closer than us, plus 5 siblings further away who'd take priority - and who knows how many other children there are in the other houses/streets and how many more siblings. The last admission was just over 300m last year but they took extra children. It's not that long ago that one intake was 100% siblings.
If we don't get that school, it's fairly unlikely we'd be in the catchment area for any of our next three choices, they're all heavily oversubscribed too...
Knowing the borough is about 500 places short doesn't really help.
Anyone know when London / Lambeth expect to declare?
This is worse than election results!
worm77 - you got a HUMAN on a phone!!!! Amazing. I thought they had gone underground with their phone numbers and adopted a disguise as a traffic cone department.
Good luck wingding - 100% siblings must have been horrific.
Oh heart stopping moment there, just got an email. But it's the nursery newsletter. And breathe ...
Amanda how frustrating - but at least you know now. Being optimistic, there must be a reasonable chance that you would move up the list enough at that distance away.
There really should be a TV channel covering this, like the rolling general election coverage you get. They could cut live to a council employee clicking 'send' in deepest Berkshire, then to a parent whooping in Greater Manchester, and so on...
Ok, now I feel nervous after reading this thread! Congrats to those getting what they wanted, commiserations and fortitude to those having to battle on.
Might have to get some wine in for tomorrow.
For those still waiting, it might help to know that I've looked at the stats here in Cheshire and it seems to be very similar to last year. No big surge in numbers which is what I was so worried about.
Best of luck to everyone, I will be spending the evening counting my blessings I think.
<opens kettle chips to make a change from chocolate ... is very glad to be working from home this afternoon>
Hmmm have to pick OH up at 5, I may be a little late
Oooooooooooooh Norfolk is online. But nothing on offers yet, just a summary of what I applied for.
We got our first choice, but it's because it's not a popular school and it's named on DD's statement. I was still nervous though till I opened the email.
LovetheSea I see it too... must be very soon now... eeeek.
I like the idea of an election style broadcast too.... They could get Jon Snow in with a catchmentometer :-)
Guys, I'm fearing the worst (Essex - tomorrow) - do I call the schools re waiting lists and can I go on more than one waiting list? Anyone know?
still another day for us, isn't London all done together?
Feeling really scared as I refresh the site now. I desperately want to know but I think hope is still winnning out internally so I expect I shall be gutted when I see it in black and white.
The school has 60 places. The nursery takes 58 at least right now. And there are people who won't have used nursery because it doesn't fit with work. And those with siblings. And those all living in closer streets. And those with SN or in care.
Round here the schools have nothing to do with the waiting lists anymore, it's all done through the council (I have been the neurotic mother ringing all and sundry!).
I'm not looking forward to months of uncertainty if we don't get our preference.
I've been told by someone that they have quite a few kids just not turn up on the first day of term and the parents haven't bothered to let the council know that they don't want their place . In theory that sounds hopeful but you could be No1 on the waiting list in May but by the time September comes around you could have been bumped down by people moving into the area.
Schools who are their own admission authorities (academies and VA faith schools) run their own waiting lists (but initial allocations still comes via the council).
For all other schools, the LA run the waiting lists.
Come on Norfolk. Post the decision. At least take the unknown stress out of it all. Please!
Lovethesea- I totally sympathise and felt the same way last year with DS1. I'm in King's Lynn and the nice schools were heavily oversubscribed so DS didn't get any of my choices. We were offered the worst school in town. Fortunately there were spaces at one of the village schools and it is a really amazing place. I was distraught on offer day but actually everything worked out rather well.
Just hoping DS2 gets a place at the same school- I think we are going to be ok but after last year I need it in writing.
Good luck and if its not what you're hoping check out all your options re appeals and alternatives with spaces.
Am waiting for Norfolk too, annoyingly have forgotten my password to log in online, have asked for it to be sent to me but hasn't come through yet, I'm guessing their servers are rather busy with people logging on!
Ah, got the right password eventually. No info online yet though!
Just got the email and we have a place in our first place school. Christ on a bike it's been a long wait!
Good luck to everybody still waiting
Thanks Abby, a lot worse happens at sea I know.
1st choice is an infants school that takes 60 per year, R, Y1 and Y2.
2nd choice is a primary that has 86 pupils R to Y6.
Quite a difference!
Tally - we have no email, surname begins with W though? So maybe alphabetical....
<waves at meg, where are you hoping for?>
Check with your local LA.
Last year all waiting-lists were handled by my LA, as of this year they are all handled by individual schools.
Another 24 hours to go...
refreshing email, outlook crashed, rerefreshing email
Another one in Norfolk here. Wondering if we might have the same 1st and 2nd choices Sea
1st in village starting with H
2nd in next village starting with L then M
Thanks for this, I'd forgotten all about it!
OK, I've a great line to take to an appeal, I know, I know, only if they make an error with distance etc.
But, I have eaten so much stress comfort eating chocolate, crisps and coke in the past couple of days I NEED my 1st choice to have a chance of walking it off (since choice 2 requires the car).
Lovethesea we are in TSA. DS1 is already at our chosen school so we should be OK but I won't relax til I see it written down!
Yep we're lucky really, DS1 (in Y1) must have been in a low birth rate year as if we had applied last year, we wouldn't have got in.
Apparently my friend who lives over the road has already received her email so they must be doing them in batches?
First choice was lovely teeny tiny community CofE school with one form entry.
Luckily for us we live very close to the school, and your child doesn't have to be christened to get in
Other 2 choices within walking distance were ok but very large.
We got first choice, am so relieved for my very shy DD.I couldn't sleep last night.
I hope everyone gets what they want
<wanders off to find wine>
We got in!!! I am genuinely shocked and bloody delighted. I am sooo relieved we can carry on building the good ties we've made over the past 2 years.
Oh good luck everyone. Half the village must have gone private or something.
Better call DH....
<Does dance of joy, scares cats, dances some more anyway>
I'm so happy for all the good news, but at the same time totally . This was supposed to be one of the pay-offs of leaving all our London friends. We weren't supposed to go through all of this and miss out by 160 sodding metres.
Ah, in that case not the same schools.
Nothing for us yet...
No email here yet.... Where is it?
Just got it and we got in our first choice. I hope all those that now have to go on waiting lists have quick and positive answers.
Still no email... but according to the website, DS2 got his 1st choice
Finally got the email! They must send them late in the day to save them immediately being flooded with calls from irate parents!
Phew it's arrived and we're into our first and only choice of school
Is it possible to see what choice got from website? Where do we go on website? Really want to know now (tomorrow we find out).
Admissions website and email both say ds2 has got a place at our first and only preference. Phew, one less thing to worry about. Now just need to wait for the decision about ds1 transfer to junior school place.
Good luck all those still waiting.
then log in at the top left
Amusingly my LA seems to email me every day to say it's not until the 17th. I wonder if it's because I've been logging on "just in case" to have a peek most days?
Hurray Lovethesea! Great news! Hurray for the other good newses too!
Lovethesea - glad to see you got your first choice, so my experience won't count now, but yes, we were No1 on the waiting list and luckily someone left over the summer so DS started in September in Year 1.....
Thanks panic - might help someone else anyway. Can't believe it still, really did count numbers and even the teachers had gone from 'Oh no problem' to 'well we don't know who is going to get places'.
Murder, mine does that too - are you in Herts?! At least it says clearly that the emails will come out before online, and that there will be instructions to accept / next steps in the email.
I completely forgot primary places were confirmed today until I saw this thread in 'threads of the day'.
Just checked my email and DD's place at the village primary has been confirmed. I feel so lucky that we were able to take it for granted that she'd get a place, after reading of all the stress felt by others over getting siblings into the same school, house moves for particular schools etc.
What a nightmare it can be in some parts of the country if you have good reason to favour a particular school .
I suspect we won't have such an easy ride with DS as he will need to attend a specialist school at least part of the time which will mean cross-county and greater competition for places. He's only just turned 2 but we're about to start the statementing process. There's really only one school that's an option for him as there are only two special schools in the whole of Cornwall and both are too far, so Plymouth is our best option. Nervous about it already!
LexyMa - Yep, am in Herts! We can't accuse them of not being clear, that's for sure. Although every time I get another one of those emails from them my heart leaps!
Found out this morning that dgs got into first choice school-the one where he is in the nursery class and his brother is in Yr1.It was a big cohort this year and as they live across the county line it wasn't a forgone conclusion.We are all very happy about it-except dgs who didn't know there was anything going on at all.
He was digging in the garden looking for The Earth [not earth] when the email arrived.I am sure you are all relieved to know that he found it safe and well in the back garden [several reddish stones].
Anyone know when Camden (London) posts?
There is a national offer day next year, this year they're all different, though the London boroughs and those surrounding tend to coordinate anyway.
I'm in Herts too, and am finding their near daily emails saying nothing new really annoying!
I don't get it - why, in England, is there all this stressing over which school your child goes to.
Here (in Scotland) children go to their nearest local school.
Seems rather a simple idea, so why is is such a palaver in England?
Probably because of higher population density. I want my nearest school, unfortunately, despite it being the biggest primary school in Europe and living less than a mile away we might not get it if there are 180 kids closer than us.
Because the population density is generally much greater? When you say there is no faff in Scotland, does that include the big cities? How do they deal with big fluctuations in intake numbers that could result from all children getting their closest school?
By the way, I wanted my nearest local school. 0.6 of a mile. Didn't get it. 60 children were either siblings or closer.
It's the same in cities as far as I'm aware - it's just something you never hear about up here whereas it seems to be quite an obsession south of the border.
I remember talking to a woman who was in such a state about which school her child would get into and was prepared to go to court about it. I found the whole thing bizzare.
I just don't understand how it works though. Look how much English effective catchment areas vary each year. In a city or heavily populated town, the number of children in a given radius could vary by 15 or 20 a year. How do you plan for teacher numbers or class sizes?
We enrol kids in January who want to start in August. From that we work out how many teachers we will need and if we need to appoint or transfer staff. Has worked fine for all the years I've been teaching (31)
In places like London and Birmingham and other big cities, there are potentially hundreds more children living close to a school than the school has room to take.
If everyone in England went to their nearest school, you'd have some primary schools expected to take 200, 300 or 500 pupils in every year group. Population density in cities is huge.
It isn't that people in the South are hugely fussy. Most people desperately want their nearest school but so many people live in such a small area that, with only places for 60 or 90 children per school, they just cannot get a place. 60 or 90 other people live even close than they do even if they oly live a few hundreds metres away.
Both my sister's and my SIL's local schools in Scotland are oversubscribed (one primary, one secondary) - and neither of them live in a city.
Lindy - where we live many of the local primaries have catchment areas of less than 0.2 miles. This means that if you live in a 'no-mans land' just outside the tiny catchment of several local schools then you could end up being offered a place somewhere miles away at the opposite end of the borough.
Some of the religious schools don't give priority to siblings so some parents could be in a position of having an older child at the school as that year was not a high intake and then the younger child, if that is a bulge year, might not get offered a place. They then have to work out how to do two school runs to different schools at the same time.
It's not just parents flapping cos they enjoy the drama of it all!
Sounds like I'm lucky not to have all this to go through!
We are quite a small town, with 3 schools all within about a mile of each other. They can all only take 2 classes (60 kids total) and are full most years.
Main problem is most (i would guess 50%!) of the families live closest to one of them - A. A is also the closest school for several villages. Most parents want to send their child to the closest school. It cannot take all the children who would consider it their local school.
So there is competition and there is no guarantee of getting your closest/local school. How far away the children that get in their live depends on lots of factors and varies a lot. This year it seems most children who wanted a place there got one, other years it's been mostly siblings.
On the plus side the other schools are good, so it's not such a drama if you don't get the local one.
Lindy - so what would happen if a new development of 300 affordable homes (mix of houses and flats) goes up and, knowing it was close to a good school, every single one of them was purchased by people who had school aged children.
The school gets 150 applicants just for reception in one year - what do they do. Would they really take all of them?
Also - just to add to the squeeze on places. Last year one of the local primaries which has a 1-class intake of 30 pupils took 28 siblings! That means that you do have to actually live next door to the school to have any chance of being offered a place.
That's often due to bulge classes in previous year groups.
In some years, dozens of children have been left with no space and the council has had to beg schools to take extra (temporary) classes.
So 3 years later, Year 2 has 90 children instead of 60 who can all give their younger sibling priority for a place and the reception applicants with no sibling find it harder to get in.
One of our local schools had 33 siblings apply for a 30 entry year. So the catchment area was basically 0.0 miles!
What happened then? Did they have to take all 33 or did the distance priority kick in then?
Some schools in that situation take a bulge class if they can (they can't have a class of 33 because of the class size rules) but others do have to turn away the 3 siblings living furthest away.
The 3 furthest away siblings went on waiting list. Don't know if they all got in or what. That school is now a 60 entry now!!
It's bonkers isn't it. Roll on tomorrow evening!
Good luck for tomorrow. Am crashing with relief now.
Argh I need I stop reading this thread, its making me so stressed! Tomorrow evening cannot come soon enough, at least then if its bad news we can think practically about it.
Not sure I'll sleep well tonight!
Two good schools within walking distance of our house but both had cutoffs of less than 300m last year. We've been told that one has about 20 siblings applying this year and the other is probably similar, if not worse. Even the utterly crap schools around here are oversubscribed. I don't think we'll get anything.
60 entry, blimey! DD's reception year will have seven kids.
The school I want has 180 entry. Last year there were 75 siblings
45 entry for our first choice. They then do vertical grouping within the Key Stage groupings, I guess to stretch more able kids and let less able catch up within normal class setting. School already has a pair of portacabins being made permanent for Y4, and I think enough ground space to add more, so I could see it being made bigger, a 60 entry would probably make sense some time soon.
Lindy: it seems to make no sense until you actually move down here and realise how difficult it can be to find a school place at all. It isn't like Scotland, where schools are obliged to take all the kids in their catchment who register in the January (I've done that for Ds1 and it is much less stressful); the schools all have set numbers of places and particular criteria for determining who gets them. People really aren't getting angsty about nothing.
When we were house hunting we were vary aware that we couldn't move into certain areas because they are something of a no mans land for people seeking a reception place (and we want DS2 to be able to walk to school). And we don't live anywhere near the south east where the pressure on school places is unbelievable. We chose a house that put us in the equally ludicrous situation of having a choice of 5 walkable schools we could get in to (and would have in every year since they started publishing the data), and another 3 if you wanted to include faith schools (which we didn't). It seems incredibly unfair that we can have bags of choice while some people living within the same area of this city will not have any walkable school they can get in to (without gaming the faith school system).
Even when you can be almost certain that you'll be offered a place at your first choice school, there is some level of angst involved because you just can't know until the email arrives. You can't just amble up to your catchment school with a utility bill and a copy of your DC's birth certificate; you have to go through a complex application procedure and rank up to 6 schools you want to be considered for a place at, and then wait months to find out what you've been allocated. And some people will find that it's a school in special measures (for the third time) many miles away that they didn't even know existed until they were allocated it and have no idea how they'll get their DC to and from every day.
as an addition, someone asked what happens in Scotland if they build 300 new homes near a school. What happens is that the school size is looked at as part of the planning application. they then decide which catchment to put the new estate into - usually the closest school - if it's not big enough then the builder has to pay for the school to be expanded/rebuilt and this has to be done in conjunction with the house building so that there are spaces as they are required.
Additionally, you can apply to a school other than your catchment school and then places are allocated based on special requirements, siblings, single parent etc and if there is a space available you will get it.
Last year there were too many children in the catchment for our local primary. Parents were offered a fast track automatic space at any other local school but they were not obliged to take it. In the end they built a temporary teaching unit in the playground while plans are made to expand the school.
So, the oly people waiting in Scotland are those who have made a placing request. Everyone finds out at the end of April but are guaranteed a place in their local school regardless.
I'm waiting to find out if my son has got into the non catchment High school we've applied to - however the school have told me unofficially that he has a place as they can offer a place to everyone who has applied.
Dn is in YR in London, and is one of 3 non-siblings in a year group of 60.
I'm just hoping to get ds into my nearest school tomorrow night, because he's got bugger all chance of getting in anywhere else. Thankfully it's only been 60 entry for two years (30 before that) so hopefully most of the siblings will take up the Church spaces and fewer of the 50% open places. Though there's at least 30 kids closer than we are who are the right age - I just keep being delighted when I find out one is Catholic! (Catholic school is a couple minutes walk away, and supposed to be very good if very Catholic).
My nearest 10 schools (ie within a 15 minute walk) have all I think added an extra class in the last 5 years, some twice, so capacity has nearly doubled from about 300 to 600 reception kids, and it's still not enough. I doubt anywhere in Scotland has that kind of population growth rate, or is that far from the edge of a city where pressure is reduced. The entire 4yo population of Glasgow is about the same as my plus the neighbouring London borough, both totally surrounded by more equally densely populated and growing boroughs.
soontobe - that sounds very sensible. Nothing like that happens in England. New house building has outstripped new school building for years. Which wasn't such a problem before 2008 when birth rates were stable but is a massive problem now. There are more children than there are school places in many areas.
A National Audit Office (NAO) report has found that 250,000 new school places are still needed in England by 2014/15 to meet this increased demand. That's a quarter of a million children without a place within a year or two unless new schools are built or current ones expanded very quickly.
Soontobe - what happens here is they plan a development of flats for say 'young professionals', of 1 and 2 bedroom flats, and argue that almost none of them will have school age children, as they would move before any child was school age. Then you add a credit crisis, recession, and huge house prices, rent, and reductions in housing benefit, and the couples with babies can't afford to move anywhere else as they can't get a mortgage, or can't get a job if they move to that small town outside London, and suddenly there's 300 kids that 2 years ago weren't expected.
And most of the schools have expanded already; there literally is no space for a new building in many of them as one has just been plonked on it. Plus funds for building planned new buildings was withdrawn when the current Govt got in - my borough was one of the few that clawed some back on appeal.
wow tiggy - that's scary stuff!! what were the councils thinking off??
wouldn't happen here. There is an application in at the moment to build a pile of houses nearby (on the flood plain ) and as part of that they are building a new primary school and it may need a bit of rezoning of the current ones. Personally I think they are waiting for that to be accepted before expanding our local school. When they got the builders to expand it (from 4 classrooms to 8) they didn't get it quite big enough so now they will have to pay themselves to deal with the shortfall - it was 10 years ago that the school expanded. Initially a lot of families applied and got places in another school thought to be "posher".....but our school got a far better report than the posh one so suddenly it's uber popular!!
However, every child in the catchment who wanted a space, got one.
notcitris, yes, I can see how that would happen - they have some sort of formula to work out the likely number of children based on the house types being built. However, every property in Scotland is within a catchment area for a school and they are obliged to offer you a space at it and they just have to make it happen - they can try to offer you a space elsewhere, but you can insist on one in the catchment school.
I really feel sorry for those having to try to deal with all this.
And since the government cancelled the Building Schools for the Future programme initiated by the last government, I don't see it getting any better.
today for me too, although we had an offer on our house last night so we might be moving away but I still really want to know!
Correct me if im wrong but think theres a ban on building new la schools.
Only ones allowed to open are free schools so a group other than la has to decide and apply to open a school and often their locations are not where the need is.
A few rubbish schools even primary ahve converted to academy.
We have one area near me its entirly new build houses although some 10years or so now.
When the area was formed they built 2schools.
1 school was relocated from nearby village into the new housing estate and still retained the village name and opened as a60intake, its now expanded to 90last few years so thats one hell of a lot of siblings combined with fact best sats results and just had outstanding ofsted means village peopel cant get into their old village school as they too far away.
Nearly every other house has kids.
The 2nd school builot for this new area god results but 30intake they refuse to expand yet seem to have the room to do so.
They want to extend this new area but it needs another primary nd definatly secondry.
I live near the new build area and lots of kids now applying for my nearby schools so it has a knock on effect on other areas.
I dont have to apply until next year dd missed this year by 16days sept birthday and her elder sister goes out of cathcment area school got in mid year and has 20per yer no room to expand and im not in catchment or on map boundry.
Im really worried my 2nd choice school although 10mins walk has tiny catchment area as well performing has tiny catchcment sometimes half siblings on 60 intake.
Hopefully pass driving test this yera which allows me to veiw couple nearby village schools but stil unsure logistically how can do both schools im doing separate preschool-primary now 1.2miles apart and thats hard.
Im trying to stay positive as eldests school on county border so think im head of them even if im nearer as its my county.
Some go private there.
2near by area has better performing school than eldests so imagine it be there 2nd choice.
The mixed classes , being so tiny and playing feilds puts me off.
It has fairly high sats not best and good ofsted.
Another nearby new build area in its catchment is having a brand new 60 intake academy open in september so hoping they pick that school.
Good luck to everyone its so stressful think they need to copy scotland seems sensible here people seem to travel miles as people are very picky.
Indeed, no new schools. The LA are getting round this by turning a few schools into two-site ones.
Yep, we have the new family houses, no new schools scenario too, so each year gets worse.
Over 80,000 new primary school places have been created in the last 2 years. It just isn't enough though because the birth rate went crazy in a way nobody expected. I think we're at 1950's leves - the number of 4 year olds is 16% higher than it was.
Only 10 years ago, primary schools were being closed as the numbers had fallen.
I'm not excusing either goverment (the last one who closed schools or the current one that hasn't opened enough new ones) - it is notorioulsy difficult to predict demand and meet it without wasting money on schools that will then stand empty in 5 years time. It is a very hard thing to juggle.
that's happening here wingding, the 'new' school is another campus for an existing school.
We don't find out until Saturday. They post the letters out on Friday. No emails for us because we live in the Dark Ages.
The free schools thing is ridiculous. There's one opening up in this city but it's absolutely nowhere near where the pressure points for schools are. Indeed, it's in the bit where the schools are all undersubscribed.
Whereas in this part of the city there is a secondary place crisis looming and no one seems to care much. They've built (and are continuing to build) a whole new estate of houses, which is huge and filled to the gunnels with families with babies and primary school age children. They built one first school with the estate (a 30 intake) and have had to extend it to 60 PAN. They're also building another 30/60 intake first school on the estate. Both these schools are supposed to feed into a middle school (and high school) system that cannot accommodate all these pupils.
The feeder system means that kids in the first schools should all get into the corresponding middle school and the high school but there just aren't enough places to take all the children who will be coming through these new schools. There are barely enough places for children in the much longer established schools as it is, and certainly not room for 90-120 more in a few years. The schools have all been recently rebuilt too to accommodate the same number of students as previously.
But instead of building a new free school system for the new build estate (where there is absolutely going to be a disaster in about 3 years), a group of parents have gotten permission to produce a forest school in an area of the city where there is absolutely no shortage of school places. There are going to be a lot of very upset parents in a couple of years (and many, many more in 4 years), especially as many of them will have bought the new builds (which are now very difficult to sell on) because they were marketed as feeding into this high school system. And, as the two next nearest secondaries (and probably the only two other schools you wouldn't feel dread at seeing in your allocations email) are both oversubscribed from kids that live much closer to them and go to the feeder primaries, they're going to end up trekking across the city to go to a school with security guards on the grounds at all time.
The system is beyond a joke. It really is. It must be so much worse in the south east. Successive governments have let things get so ridiculous (and the complexity of faith schools, academies, and now free schools really doesn't help) and, even worse, they've done so while pretending that the system offers parents 'choice'. That's probably the cruellest bit of it.
I find all these types of school very confusing - it just doesn't happen up in Scotland.
The options are;
a. Private education
b. Catchment Primary school run by Council
c. Apply to another Primary school by making a placing request (this is not that common) and if they have space you get a place.
.....Unless you are Catholic, then you have the option of registering with the nearest (council run) catholic primary or registering with your local non-denominational primary as b. above.
Non Catholics can apply to attend the local Catholic school using method c above.
Transfer to High School is exactly the same - i.e. you go to your Catchment High School or Catholic High School or apply to another via metod c. or yoiu go Private.
A lot of the High Schools have been rebuilt using PPP - where the schools are built for free usually on a cheaper piece of land than the one they are sitting on and the builder gets the old school land for house building. All 5 high schools in my area have been rebuilt or refurbished under this programme.
I really feel for everyone stuck trying to find a space for their child
I found it all much easier in Scotland too. Moving down south presented me with a ludicrously complex system that only seems to make everyone anxious.
And I haven't even griped about the idiocy of specialist schools (thanks nuLabour) in a system where there isn't any choice. It's just too stupid to believe.
oh yes, I forgot that there are obviously access to special schools too - I know there is a bit on the Placing request form about those but not sure what the system is.
I may have missed this in the thread but what time do the London decisions tend to be online at? I have signed up to the texting service as well. Is it after 5pm this evening? To those with previous experience, does the system tend to crash with so many logging on or is it staggered?
I think you get emailed after 5pm iggity.
My sister lives in a new build development in Scotland and her catchment primary is massively overscribed (because that is what happens if you build lots of family houses without the supporting infrastructure doh!). So the children tend to go to other schools via placing requests but there is no transport etc to help them get there.
So who else is (in theory) midnight Thursday night/Fdriday morning?
And is anyone else staying up? I'm considering cracking on the wine......
And I agree with the previous poster about parents not just getting in a state for no good reason. Scotland is a completely different set-up.
If we don't get DS1 into our only choice of school, we are in a spectacular mess. We are just outside a small city with tiny catchement areas for all the urban schools except the two that are never full because noone wants their child to go there. The other nearest schools are rural with tiny intakes. This leaves one school which we have a chance at, fortunately a good one, and then we're stuck.
Our village school was closed down a few years ago, otherwise he'd have gone there.
"Scotland is a completely different set-up."
Precisely. Because Scotland's entire population is 5.2m, while England's is 53m. Not saying English councils shouldn't have a better handle on the situation because there is some very ill-thought through urban planning that only exacerbates things (a block of flats is being built right now next to my DS's primary so anyone further along the street who thought they were sorted for a place may well be in jeopardy when new families move in). However it's pointless comparing the system in Scotland and saying everyone in England should just go to their closest school. In London especially (8m crammed into a fraction of the space of Scotland) there just isn't room. God knows how the system's going to cope. Unless everyone moves to Scotland maybe. Now there's an idea...
The adjoining town to where I live have had a new primary open this September just gone.
It's too small already and doesn't have enough spaces.
The infants my DC5 has just left had a new classroom built in the past year for a bulge class but are still struggling with not enough school places. Where we live we could only dream of infants class sizes being 30.
The junior school DC5 now attends is having a new classroom built but already has class sizes approaching 40 per class.
pink, agree the scale is obviously different, but I don't see how having the councils responsible for the schools and then have them all have a catchment to ensure that all houses fit into a school wouldn't be better. It wont solve the overcrowding, but it will make it clearer where the need is. It also tends to even out the nice/not so nice schools a bit as the catchments tend to include kids from all walks of life.
Sounds like it has gotten so bad now tho that it will be a beggar to sort out without some sort of drastic thinking.......and yes, happy to have more people in Scotland, especially law abiding tax payers - most of it is empty!
I agree with the planning comment. We are in a situation where, if DS1 does get into our choice of school, DS2 should be guaranteed a place as there hasn't ever been a year where siblings have been a problem. They are category 2 and the intake always goes right down to category 5.
BUT there is a new planning application to build 100 new houses in the fields directly opposite the school. These are going to attract families as they will be about 200m from an outstanding school, with a good school a mile or so in the other direction. It's been held up by the council being crap and not doing what they should have done, but looks likely to go ahead, given the overall local plan for new housing. If that development is finished before we come to apply for DS2, all bets are off. I'm assuming that it won't go through in time for people to move in and get older children in so that there is a big sibling intake in DS2's year - applying in Jan 2015 - but the following year is likely to be a problem for people who would normally get siblings in.
To me it just seems like common sense why cant council planning and admissions -work together.
At the moment developers not building smaller houses its all 4/5bed executive houses which attract families.
im bit worried they want to extend the new build area and build another 3000 homes.
bristol has huge problem with school places we forcast to run out senior places by 2017 unless they take action now.
I think economys made worse people move more urban areas for work, less go private combined with rising birth rate,
read about some schools 6class intakes thats as big as a senior school.
All the extra porta cabins oddly some on roofs can go on forever.
The new free senior school no where near me shame as looks good.
They on about opening steiner free school but hardly going to attact a wide group.
They need to focus on areas of need asking parent to do 2schools or reception child to start school miles away just not viable.
most do want something reasonably close with not too awful ofsted.
I can see this situation getting worse as cant see whats being done apart from expanding current schools.
im dreading next year and year after as have 1 starting 2014 and youngest 2015. I also have senior school applications for eldest.
wish we had 6choices as dont think 3is enough.
Another fact I like about the Scottish school system is the flexibility with the youngest children in the year (allowing parents to defer if born the last quarter of the intake). Plus the cut off date is end Feb meaning that the youngest a child starts is 4.5 and not 4.
That is however a whole other thread...
Shame it rains a lot though.
soontobe - there are physically too few school places.
There are more children needing a place than there are actual recpetion places in many towns and boroughs. Not all areas are like that though which is why some people fro the densely populated bits are expected to travel miles to school the the 'less dense' bits.
In London upto 13,000 people live in every square km.
In Scotland it averages 68 per square km.
Mam29 to answer some of your questions. New houses do not always equal new children for schools. A large new estate was built in the North of my town, the roles continued to fall for years afterwards in that part of town (it was only a sudden rise in birth rate which stopped schools being closed there). Birth rate also doesn't correlate perfectly with the number of children in schools, as there is a lot of movement both in and out of the area.
In some areas it has been assumed that a certain percentage of children will go to private schools, however, economic downturn, entrance exams getting harder (as children commute further or certain schools become more desirable), and other changes to private schools; can change this number.
The government does not allow LAs to build/open new schools unless both the Free school and Academy route have already been explored.
There is also a lack of land to build new schools, and if lack of land for houses causes land prices to rocket, the same will occur to land for schools. Most new houses near me are in-fill, so there is not much chance of building schools on that size pocket of land, and not much of a planning bonus. 4 and 5 bedroom homes are usually built as pairs on the site of one previous 4 bedroom house. Another site might have 10-20 2 and 3 bed houses, the whole site would have to be taken for a school, and might need quite costly remediation works first. For example there was a big development of flats on quite heavily contaminated land.
There is also of course a local shortage of teachers, at least I some subjects.
Six hours to go.
We had four choices so I put down the four nearest primary schools.
All of which are either 'outstanding' or 'good', and all oversubscribed.
We are rule 5 for our nearest. If we don't get a place there we won't get a place at the other three choices as a rule 6 applicant. We would instead be offered a place at the undersubscribed fifth nearest school, which I wouldn't choose as it is too far to walk to and also 'satisfactory'.
Just trying to stay calm... and trying not to think about the practical implications of the fifth school - no local school friends, either having to buy a car, or change jobs/stop working, or paying for more child care... just because there wasn't a place at the 60 intake primary school 400 METRES AWAY FROM OUR FRONT DOOR
Those are all very good points mummtime.
I live in a road where most of the gardens were grabbed for new housing (before we lived here) and where houses are demolished / converted and replaced with small blocks of flats instead
I see what you mean pinky - I wish I knew what the solution was - maybe with the drop on the economy the private schools with places could be subsidised to take on some addition pupils funded by councils at the same rate as it would cost them to provide a LA place? they must be struggling a bit too and it will be difficult to run a school without enough paying customers. I appreciate it would be a lot less than normal income but at least it would be something - can't imagine that the parents paying full whack would be best pleased tho!
I think any form of subsidised schooling would be far too controversial.
However some private schools have converted to become free schools so keep the same buildings and staff but switch to being state funded schools with no pupils paying fees.
Lots of private schools are struggling - the fees for them were always high but are now way beyond what even professional parents in London can afford to pay given how much house prices and everything else has gone up.
Argh. Just got the response from the local authority on furthest distance. They don't say what distance they have us down as, but based on my calculations we lost out by 19m. 19 bloody metres. That's one child realistically isn't it? Max two. Can't imagine many people lost out by so little.
That's very irritating, Amanda, but at least you'd probably be pretty much at the top of the waiting list...
This explains why the only newbuilds in the town where I work are retirement flats.
We don't get DS's offer until Tuesday 30th so I shouldn't be reading this thread at the moment. It's just making me anxious.
Amanda - how are your distances measured - crow flies or walking route?
The crow flies distances (where they define the points to measure to and from) are normally very accurate to thousandths of a metre but there is perhaps scope for challenging walking routes because if you can find one even a tiny bit shorter that meets their guidelines, you could win at appeal with that (you just need to knock 15m off the total if you can).
You cannot however use your own map measurements to challenge theirs as every house will have been measured the same way and the software or GIS systems are accurate (as long as they've used the right house to start with and not missed out an obviously shorter route where that is the way they define distance).
Still it looks hopeful for waiting list positions. Not that that's a great comfort right now, but fingers crossed, you'll get an offer of a place in the coming weeks.
We challenged on walking route for DD1 and won but as it affected everyone on our road, it just bumped us all up, so that alone didn't get us in - but it helped.
Definitely check walking route, our council gets it wrong every year for our old area.
Fingers crossed for you amanda, I remember the stress all too clearly.
It's crow flies, so not much scope for adjustment on the distance.
I realise my own calculations might not be super accurate and can't challenge theirs, but I used postcodes on an online site and the midpoint of our postcode is slap bang on our house, as is theirs on the school, so it should correspond reasonably well with the ordanance survey reference points they use for calculations. Once I get their distance, it should be in the same ball park. If they give a materially different figure I'll be double checking they have our details right, it is corresponding to the correct house, etc, because it could make quite a difference.
0.1 of a mile is 160m, so I really just wanted an idea of whether we had missed out by that (which could correspond to quite a few houses round the circumference of the area) or some much smaller amount. It seems to be the smaller end, which should be good for reconsideration after the first round of acceptances (it might only take one child turning down our school in the first round to go private and we could get it) or for the waiting list.
Amanda - crow flies distances are very accurate as long as the council is one that clearly defines the two points used for measurement eg some say 'from the centre of the child's house to the main school gates'
If you ask, they can show you a map of your area with your house marked with a big red dot and the distance to the school expressed in metres to 4 decimal points.
You are doing the correct things by having a rough figure in mind first, seeing if theirs roughly tallies and then perhaps requesting the print out or PDF if you aren't happy so you can check they got the right house for example.
Surrey is still not up, I keep pressing F5 on the admissions. They say you will get an e-mail "in the evening of the 17th" but last year my friend did see it online at 4pm before the e-mail came out.
Will keep trying!
We got our 2nd choice. At first I was disappointed that we didn't get our first choice (0.7miles away) but now I'm just so relieved we got our 2nd choice. Catching up with friends earlier, some haven't been allocated any of their 5 choices and have been placed at schools the other side of town, in the lower achieving schools that are undersubscribed.
One friend is utterly heartbroken and knows she has a rubbish chance of a successful appeal
We are going to appeal. I just declined the offer online and via the paper form. eek! Wish us luck!
Oh Terrys that's interesting - was meant to be 5pm here too (Lambeth) but I'll start checking in an hour or so!! Starting to feel nervous now, don't know why as we don't have much chance for our top choices anyway!
Amanda you're short by such a short distance that I think you can be optimistic? I wonder if you can find out how much the catchment grew from April - Sept last year in order to see your chances; I know here it grew 100 metres for our local school in that time!
DS is currently watching Toy Story 3 - what is he doing to me??!!!
lindsey you could always stay on the waiting list for choice 1? But congrats on 2nd choice, that's not bad going
raisinggirls GOOD LUCK!
Good luck Raising - what grounds are you appealing on? Fingers crossed you get the result you want
What borough are you in Terry? Driving myself mad waiting for this email. Have a new baby due in 11 days and really hoping I don't have to spend a summer worrying about waiting lists on top of all the newborn stuff!
Raising Girls - from last year the advice is to accept whatever you are given so you have a place even if you don't want it, then put names down on waiting lists and appeal the decision too.
However, the council is only legally obliged to offer you a school place. If you then turn that down it has fulfilled its obligation and does not have to offer you an alternative.
There are some excellent, knowledgeable people on here who have helped many parents through this process. I would recommend starting a thread explaining your position and asking for advice.
We're in Epsom.
Its an interesting one for us, we've just had an offer on our house but we're umm-ing and ahh-ing about accepting it, which would mean we move house out of the area. If DS gets our third choice then we might be tempted to take the offer and run but if he gets first or second choice we might hold out for a better offer because at least if we stay we know he has a good school to go for!
Its a bit of a jigsaw at the moment and we need to get all the pieces to fit together!
NynaevesSister is right. It is not advised to reject a school offer no matter how bad it is or seems to be.
Rejecting your offer doesn't increase your chances on waiting lists.
It doesn't help at appeal and if anything might hinder it if it is the type of appeal with less than 30 children per class that relies on explaining things rationally to a panel (if it is the ICS appeal it doesn't affet your chancs which are already very slight).
It doesn't force the council to offer you a better or closer place because legally they have met their obligation to you.
The only reasons for possibly rejecting a school offer is if you applied knowing all along that you are going private or going to Home School but were just curious as to what the council might offer you.
In those cases, it is probably fair to reject it early and formally accept the private school so that the state offer can be given to someone on the waiting lists.
In all other cases though, you are advised to hang on to the one you've got and see what happens.
Aarrgghh. I feel like I'm waiting for exam results!
Nothing for Wandsworth borough yet. Ours says we will be able to see online via our e-admissions log on from 17:00 and emails being sent out from 17:00 onwards.
I'm pretty sure that all London boroughs and Surrey will all find out from the same time. That's what the Wandsworth find a primary school booklet tells me.
Eesh - DD just scraped into our first (and only choice) on category eight - living in northern part of city with sibling at school.
I'm happy about this, but I just hope it's not at someone else's expense. I suppose it won't be, but she has two friends - twins - who are going to the school in the village....their second choice. Their first choice was our school, and I feel sad about this for them. I think they're going to go on the waiting list.
There's nothing wrong with the village school at all, but we moved here suddenly after DS had been offered his place at out first choice (which was just round the corner from our old gaff).
Still, can't complain. If she hadn't been offered a place, we were going to keep her at nursery for a bit longer, as DS' school has a high turnover. We wouldn't have appealed, as she'll be five next April and chances are she'd have been in before then.
Hope it all works out for everyone.
yes it's suddenly hit me now and am bricking it! Would have gone out somewhere but DD has chicken pox!!! Arghhhhhh
minouminou that's our strategy if we don't get in too because DS isn't 5 until June. Congrats on getting place!
My DS has chicken pox as well! I've got to leave at about 5 to take DD swimming so I hope it's 5.00 on the dot!
rudenamelady are you on the pan London e-admissions site too? my F5 key is getting worn down!
6 pm here...
Oh come on the suspense is killing me....
This is it, Lozario - it takes a lot of pressure off everyone.
If she wasn't in by April, we'd have thought about home ed-ing for a term.
We actually found out yesterday, and today a couple of mums were telling me they reckoned DD wouldn't get in, but didn't want to say anything!
I was like...."ehh, we got it covered...".
But then I am a bit of a cavalier knobhead.
Good luck to all the online London people. Have arranged to work from home tomorrow so I can be in when the letter hopefully drops through the mail slot. If need be, I can cry in private.
Keep trying to tell myself that for DD not to get in, last year's catchment area would need to reduce by 2/3rds. Totally possible though as it is two years on from a bulge class and there will be loads of siblings.
If it doesn't come at 5 on the dot I'm going to spontaneously combust
If anyone got email or see it online, please tell us. its out by 5.00P.M right for merton area?
I am in a boring meeting so refreshing on my phone every minute, as soon as it pops up I'll let you know!
Lozario, is your first choice school in your borough or mine?
Why isn't the website showing anything? Aaaarrrgghhhh.
london's up. We got our first choice, phew. Good luck to everyone else
Wandsworth is up! Ds got our first choice, thank The Lord, as we
Moved mid-application out of the borough.phew!
Not for barnet its not...yet
We got the school we were expecting (4th choice but I knew the others were unlikely). SO relieved I've just started crying! I can relax now knowing we can walk to school and she will have friends local to her. Phew!
Good luck to everyone else xx
Where do you go to? The bit that lists all your info and the schools you've put down?
Yes, we got first choice. It's a brand new school and I'm so so pleased. Great news for you too Goodwordguide. Can I ask which one you've got? We're Rutherford House.
Just got online and saw the result of our application (Haringey - London Borough) and we got our sixth choice (which wasn't unexpected)
Does anyone know when they publish the 'last child offered a place' information for this intake? I'm keen to torture myself to see how much we lost out by...
@Pyrrah - yes, there should be a new link which says 'view application outcome' that takes you to a page with the info...good luck!
Jinxy - if its the same as our borough last year it will be in the letter you receive tomorrow
we got our third choice as expected, I'm pleased we've accepted SB offer on our house now and will be moving. now for the stress of an in year application!!
Does anyone know when the emails go out?
We've moved out of the borough to Suffolk but we were in Putney so had to apply via Wandsworth and weren't sure we'd get the place at the new
Glad you got your first choice fuck, best of luck to everyone else!
Not sure Bella, I haven't had one yet. Can you log in to e-admissions as the results are up?
not had an email yet but results were on eadmissions already
Our council declines to send emails and doesn't give a date when they send the letters either, just 'middle of April' so everyone is waiting for someone else to hear!!
Come on Southwark, press that button!
Feel sick - it's a dead cert that I won't get 4/6 choices and quite possible I won't get the others either and the only not over-subscribed school in the area is not over-subscribed for a very good reason!
Can't find my password and up to my ears in tea. Now where was that safe place?....
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I have an email from Herts CC... should I--can I bear to-- wait till DH is home...?
Hollie you need to ask Mumsnet HQ to put up media requests...
We got our 3rd choice. Which am happy with - didn't think we'd have a chance with 1st choice now but we are realistically in with a shot on waiting list. So either way it's ok. Phew!
@LittlePickle - thanks will wait for the letter then.
@Bllaamysbride - I reset my password with the link on the eAdmissions site and got a text about 30secs later that let me get in
Yay Lozario! Good luck with the waiting list.
Still waiting here and biting nails...
Thanks jinxy will do that.
Lozario that's good news and even better that your waiting list chance should increase too.
Good luck to those still waiting and to those who are appealing, or on waiting lists I wish you great luck with those too.
Second choice - thank goodness!
Onwards with the waiting list application.
Does anyone know if the Surrey results are online yet?
That's great Pyrrah, really pleased for you. Fingers crossed for waiting list.
If it's any consolation, when my older three (now 19, 18 and 16) started I moved when DD2 was mid way through her second term in reception. A place came up for her at the school that was on our doorstep (Honeywell, an amazing school) and she literally got the place offered on the Thursday and started on the Monday. DS then automatically got a reception place for the September and, brilliantly, a Year 3 place came up for DD1 then too.
I was talking to the (same) head of Honeywell last week and she told me that this term already has 5 spaces in Reception and 9 in Years 1&2. So they do move, and it's not just the odd one. So, really good luck with you for that.
Lovethesea ooh you're naughty... but I called DH (on the train home) and asked if he wants to read it with me, and he does. I can wait another hour, it's been three months!!
Wow, that is amazing for Honeywell - I think that is the most oversubscribed school in the borough.
The one I'm after has very high mobility - according to both HT and Ofsted - so I should have a good chance eventually. Will probably be after start of term though when most parents won't be so interested in moving schools.
Hopefully if we get that choice it will also make someone else very happy to get our place at this school.
(Uniform is at least the same colours too )
pyrrah huzzah! Good luck with the WL. We can start a WL support thread!!
Lexy, but I have to go out in a bit!! Post quickly after he's home
First choice here!
Am delighted. Under the new system adopted by Tower Hamlets this year, nobody had much of a clue if they'd get in or not unless they had a sibling.
Right. I'm off to get drunk
ok ok Lovethesea I will as soon as I open it. I might even open it when we pick him up at the station, and if it's #1 we can drive past the school on the way back...
Wandsworth outcome is live on eAdmissions portal - we got our first choice.
4th choice here. I was surprised at how gutted I was not to feel excited. Which is stupid because (a) it's not about me, (b) it's a good school that we can walk to, and (c) he will know at least one person there. I just didn't love it like some of the others and wasn't/am not sure it's the right place for him. But he'll be fine.
First choice here - <happy dance and large glass of wine>
Good luck to everyone still waiting!
3rd choice. No idea how we got there but not 1 or 2, and I've never even seen it. Never considered it really though it's supposed to be ok.
How do I get onto waiting lists?
The email had been sitting in the junk mail since half four!
First choice here but was fairly sure we'd get in so not really a big surprise.
DS and his best friend live next door, we put down the same order but we got second choice and they have first.. Not sure if I should tell DS yet.. I'm irrationally upset!
notcitrus, details should be on the letter you will get probably tomorrow
First choice phew, I cried too .
Got our first choice. Was shocked as small faith school in London borough only taking 30.
scortja - I presume you were both just distance not siblings etc?
woo! and phew! first choice! big sigh of relief.
Scotja - I might not tell him just yet and get put on the waiting list. You must have been close.
But it does depend if his friend will know and talk about it.
Scortja - if it is on distance then you will almost certainly be offered a place from a waiting list before Sept.
straight after the offer email I also got the mail about the schools which are expanding in the local authority - on continuing interest basis so you can apply even if you got one of your "choices"... doesn't apply to us but I'm very happy with the Herts CC communications.
I got a text to say they'd sent the email but still no email
Nope, checked that too.
Glad I checked the website, I'd be in bits now otherwise!
We screwed our application and only put one choice (don't ask). Thought we would get something even if the one selection was oversubscribed. Shocked - offered nothing!
Has anyone have experience of this?
Weren't you advised on your application form to apply for more than one school, Icannotbelieveit? On ours it says not to just put down one school, just in case you don't get it. It would have been likely in our town that we wouldn't have got our first choice as the schools are all oversubscribed this year.
You'll need to get onto Admissions asap and see if there are any places left anywhere else, and stay on the waiting list for your first choice.
we haven't got an email either (London), but website shows result.
We got 3rd choice. PITA to get to work after dropping DD off, and further away than first 2 choices. I suppose I should be grateful we can still walk there and DD will know some children in her year. It's a solid 3 on OFSTED but I suppose that means they'll be pulling their socks up now.
icannot sorry no experience of no place, waiting lists?
I thought they had a legal obligation to find a place somewhere Icannotbelieveit. Are you somewhere where there is an actual shortage of places - like a very oversubscribed London borough? Might you have to wait until all the people who gave options have confirmed whether they are taking them to work out if any schools have any places at all or whether you have to travel out of borough or something?
Sorry, really don't know the answer.
Why on earth did you only put down one school?
icannot - it is rare but it does happen. It means that the school you listed couldn't take you and, in addition, no school in the local area has any spaces left for Reception.
The council will find you a place - they have to - but you may need to be patient.
First thing tomorrow, ask to be added to the waiting list of every school you would consider. You can also ask if they have any bulge classes planned for this year and where you stand with gaining a place that way.
Don't panic - you will get a place but you will need to be proactive especially about getting on multiple waiting lists.
Just got my email but had already logged into eadmission and knew the result anyway.
Sausage fingers on the application. Didn't realise mistake till it was too late.
Any Lambeth emails yet? Have requested password text/email but no joy yet so I can't get on the admissions site.
Wooohooo! First choice!
I got my Lambeth email at 5.45, bellamysbride.
icannot sausage fingers, oh dear! have a
Am stamping my foot with impatience. West Sussex not until Friday.
Travelin you are not alone I am winding myself up reading all the responses (congratulations and comiserations as appropriate!)
We also don't find out until Friday (Devon). I do have DD1 and 2 in the school which they love but they are still way down the criteria as we are out of catchment (even with sibs are behind those in catchment). It's a big intake and to make matters worse in the last 2 days I've met 2 more children new to the area or who I thought were going elsewhere.
But we'll probably homeschool anyway.
I'm in Lambeth and got my email before 6 but had already logged on to check after 5 (couldn't take the suspense!)
We're really lucky, DD got a place in our first choice of school. I am so relieved... Good luck to everyone who is still waiting.
got mine and my school is 1.6 miles from my house very upset not even on my option list too far away i didn't even view! not sure what i can do???
Michelle - Does your letter explain the furthest child admitted under the distance rules (if you were distance rules. Assume you would have mentioned sibling or special medical issues, etc)? If not, the first thing you need to do is find out how far away you are from each school, and how far away the furthest admitted child was. You could find that you are a very tiny amount off from all four schools, in which case joining all four waiting lists should give you a good chance of a place coming up at at least one of them before September.
We have to wait til May..
Amanda - my letter is in the post tomorrow i got on website and saw, i only listed 3 options could this be the reason i got so far away? it says on website i automatically go on waiting list for schools i wanted. I live in sutton. I am so upset i am not sure how i will get him to school and myslef to work everyday
Third choice here. Sort of relieved to get it - any of our top three would have been fine, and I was very worried we wouldn't get any of them - but I did have my heart set on our first choice. The school we've been offered is actually marginally the closest, but it's CofE, and a bit heavy-handed with the religion for me. Didn't actually think we'd get offered it as we don't meet any of the church criteria.
Oh well, we'll go on to the waiting list for our first choice and see what happens.
So relieved got first choice, Julians in Streatham/West Norwood , but still haven't had my email, just did a search under lambeth primary portal and logged in. Have been sweating and feeling irrationally angry just in case she didn't get in all day (ha ha!) Sorry to all the upset mums - we really shouldn't have to go through this stress!
Well, if you only listed three options and didn't qualify for any of them, they will then have given you the nearest school that had a space after everyone who'd specified preferences had been allocated. So if there was another local school you would even have considered, you would have been better filling all your spaces.
But it wouldn't have affected your chances of getting into the three schools you did list.
See what the letter says and, if it doesn't explain about distances (mine didn't), contact the authority and ask.
Not sure about waiting lists. Ours isn't automatic. You have to say whether you are going to accept the school offered, accept and join waiting list(s) or reject and join waiting list (the latter not advised!). I guess that stops people who, say, get their second choice but are perfectly happy from cluttering up the waiting lists.
Amanda - that is crazy rotten luck. I bet it is just one person. With any luck somebody will decline and you get bumped up.. these things can happen. Let us know what happens!
As for me - they sent out the emails two hours earlier than the 6pm they said they would. I was at a swimming lesson at the time, and out of habit hit refresh and my eyes went out on stalks at a differently-titled email from Herts so early. Sure enough it was the allocation email.
We got our third choice, which is the best possible result for us given DC1 was offered a place in year at said school just last week! The other two were great schools but some distance away, and given all the good schools are oversubscribed by a factor of 7-10 times I knew it wouldn't happen but thought I would give it a whirl as I wasn't expecting DC1 to get an offer any time soon.
So the dream scenario has occurred with both DC in the same, very local, school. After six months of fretting over logistics (DC1's current-soon-to-be-ex school is a mile away up a steep hill, and both schools open/close at the same time with limited parking) and wondering where on earth my children would be spending the next best part of a decade, I can finally relax!
We were 155m away, furthest child admitted was nearly 500m and only 11 siblings, not the 20 the school secretary had told me. So we got in easily. The other two schools had around 300m and 400m so not a hope at all, although interestingly one of them is creating a bulge class of 30 but I bet even with that we still wouldn't get in at 900m away. I'm not going to gamble, what we have is more than good enough and an absolute blessing compared to what so many people go through, so I can officially declare an end to School Stress. Which I can't quite believe, actually.. it's been there as a background "thing" for so long now!
Murder - Or maybe I could just dig up one of their houses with a jcb and move it past mine. Is that impractical? So glad it went well for you.
I am actually starting to feel a bit better about the school we got. One thing, which DH would say is me overthinking, is that we are considering a third child. School 1 is an infant school, so DD2 would not be in the school at the same time as hypothetical sibling because they would be at least three school years apart. Being at the juniors doesn't count for the sibling rule apparently (although website very unclear), so we'd have to go through all this stress with no. 3. At the primary school, hypothetical sibling would still have two siblings at the school, so shouldn't have any issues at all.
See how much time I have spent on this? I am considering a not-yet-conceived-and-may-never-be child.
I'm chewing my fingers off here. I know we will get the email on Friday as in Bristol, but I'm a mess. Almost threw up at work today. DH is as cool as a cucumber as per.
Congrats to all who got any of their preferences. Best wishes for those who didn't.
Amanda Nah, thinking ahead is admirable! I got a list of the distance from each school for the last child admitted today with my confirmation letter. Does your LA just not do this?
Nope Snazzy. Blood out of a stone getting information out of them.
When we were trying to DD a place, we missed out on distance.
We accepted the place we were offered, stayed on every waiting list and prepared an appeal, mostly because we felt we would regret not trying every avenue.
It was a very stressful time (made worse because I was hugely pregnant, suffering from very high BP and being monitored every couple of days in hospital for hours).
I was sat chatting to my DM one afternoon, talking about the appeal hearing which was scheduled for the next day, when I got the phone call telling us that we'd moved to the top of the waiting list and they would like to offer us a place at our first choice school - would I like to accept. I bit her hand off. It was a lovely feeling.
I'm sharing this story just to say, try and keep calm, be very practical and logical, follow up every option and keep your fingers crossed.
Good luck everyone.
I feel so stupid i didn't realise that and i read the forms and books hundreds of times. I would have gladly put the other options down if i knew i would be offered so far away. oh i'm in such a pickle now. I am appealing to a VA school which was my first choice but presume that will be no good.
i don't want to clog up waiting lists but am so upset now. Thanks for explaining
OK. We got our last choice school which I only put down to avoid the possibility of being offered nothing. I think we will go on to waiting lists but don't hold out much hope.
Can I ask, does any one of you lovely people know about Free Schools? Our local one says it limits class sizes to 25 but I thought infant class sizes were capped at 30. Who do I appeal to for a space at a Free School?
Still waiting here, letter is due in the morning ( I don't think I can wait that long!)
We put our 4 nearest schools on the form. They are all within 300-500 metres, one of them is taking a bulge class this year, and another two were expanded in the last couple of years.
We didn't get any.
Instead, we have been offered a school in a different town 2.7 miles away. There are easily 15 schools that are nearer to us, probably more, but apparently every single one is oversubscribed.
Thankfully we know that Merton LEA is crap so we saw this coming, and we've long signed up DD for private school. But if we hadn't, or couldn't afford it, we'd be utterly fucked.
Well done Merton this whole system is crap - there needs to be a deep reform of the admissions priority rules, especially on siblings priority as people are taking the piss around us. A huge number of places go to families who live really far away and cause traffic jams around our local schools. There are also way too many VA schools, it is simply not fair that some parents have lots of choice while their neighbours have none.
<breathes and remembers none of this actually matters to us anymore>
TheregoesBod - if your local school has class sizes of 25, you have a better chance of winning an appeal.
That doesn't mean it is guaranteed but it does lower the requirements on you. You don't have to prove an LA mistake or that they are unreasonable, you just have to demonstrate that your child needs a place at that school (for educational, social or other reasons - transport and childcare issues generally don't count).
The school will rightly say they are full but, with less than 30 per class, it comes down to a balance of arguments. The argument of the school that it has no more room against your argument that your child needs or would highly benefit from a place. The panel generally agree with both points of view to an extent but have to decide which case is stronger - the school or the parents and then make their judgement.
Well, I didn't come back earlier because I've been tucking into the .
We got 1st choice, thank goodness. It should have been a no-brainer, as we're so close we can see the school from our house, but nothing's a foregone conclusion with primary schools these days.
Good luck to those still going through it, and especially to those appealing.
I know we have talked here about the advantages of the Scottish system and whether that would work in the more densely populated South. Here's the reason that it works in Scotland and your system wouldn't. You'd be lucky, even in a big city e.g. Glasgow or Edinburgh to find two primary schools within a mile of each other unless one was a catholic and the other non-denomination which have different admission criteria. Where I live the next nearest primary is at least a mile and a half away and that is in a smaller city. Children often have to travel a long way to their nearest school never mind if they couldn't get a space and had to travel to the next nearest - further up north, that could be 50 miles away or on another Island.
Think it is horses for courses.
Amanda do check as the few infant juniors in my lea have automatic transfer/place to linked junior I personally prefer primary if have more than 1 child remember mun running from infants to junior.
Michelle 1984 what type of va school was it?
dd1 got into rc va and we not catholic.
I am really worried about dd2 and dd3 next year and year after think 2009 boom year. Despite having sibling we out catchment so not the magic pass in. I keep hearing about parents doing 2 schools logistical nightmare and schools not exactly geared up for that.
Prima facie thats terrible same in bristol last few years nearly 300kids dont get their 3choices only get 3 and we have large indpendent sector my nearest is snip at 1500 per term but cantb afford private with 3kids.
my friends applying this year find out friday I think.
Have you seen that this week's webchat is going to be about Primary Appeals? here.
mam29- they have pretty much automatic transfer infant to junior. Unless there is a massive influx of children in local authority care. What they don't seem to do is sibling priority for children applying to the infants if their only sibling(s) are at the juniors.
It was for c of e school which is a 5 min walk from my house but only have 18 open places which i obviously didn't fall into
i have been really silly and it seems my son is paying the price just feel so upset all the work and time off work and research i put into schools for nothing
Right, who else is midnight tonight? See you all here at about quarter to?
I had a nightmare last night that a massive travelling fair set up home in the field behind the school today and the LEA sent out emails telling everyone that there was going to be no space at all in the school as the new arrivals were closer than everyone else and had 60 4 year-olds.
I woke up irrationally angry with the council.
What an incredibly depressing day that was.
London is a joke (Hammersmith & Fulham).
We didnt get our two nearest schools (top two choices) both about 500 yards away, nor the next three (two of which were a bit of a long shot) and got offered our sixth which we only put down to make sure we got something.
Havent had the letter yet but have to assume that it was all on distance even though our sixth choice is further away than our top two!
I see a long period of waiting lists, appeals etc.
What a farce this system is.
Ours is 9am tomorrow. I shall stay calm. I shall stay calm. I shall stay calm. I shall stay calm. I shall stay calm. I shall stay calm. I shall stay calm. I shall stay calm. I shall stay calm. I shall stay calm. I shall stay calm. I shall stay calm. I shall stay calm. I shall stay calm.
Letsgetreal - sorry to hear you've been disappointed with your allocation. You are right - it is probably down to distance and/or sibling numbers this year. And it is infuriating when you can't get a school very close to home yet seem easily able to qualify for ones miles away!
See where you stand with waiting lists in the next couple of weeks.
You may not have missed out by much at all and may get an offer very quickly from one of the schools you want.
Appeals may be a route to look at especially if you have concerns an error has been made or if any of the schools have class sizes under 30
Eek letsget that's annoying.
what's the news kungfu?
There are definitely schools in Edinburgh within a mile of each other (schools on the south side like sciennes primary, james gillespie primary and preston street primary are close together because it's mostly tenement flats in their catchments).
It would be possible to have a guaranteed place at a catchment school in England but it would probably be unpopular as there'd be wailing about lack of choice (because there's so much real choice now) and there'd be liberal use of portakabins classrooms in the south east. Even in Scotland your catchment school is not necessarily your closest school (sometimes the boundaries are drawn very oddly), so I assume there would be quite a lot of people in London whose catchment school was not close to their house (and not somewhere they'd want to send their kids). So people would be putting in placing requests all over the place anyway and there would still be angst (especially as so few would be successful). I'd assume the catchments would also change frequently (as the population is so much more variable) so people wouldn't know what their catchment school was that year until it came time to apply for a place. I think the system would be equally unpopular with parents on those grounds alone. It would really feel like you were subject to the whims of the LEA.
There's also the argument about catchments artificially inflating house prices (and excluding many people on financial grounds) but any distance criteria does this anyway.
Arbitrary - actually the biggest problems would be with England having the Scottish system; it would cost more as you would have to keep spare places in schools (or get rid of the top limit on class sizes); and that there just isn't room in some places to build enough schools for the population. Free schools helped in Sweden which is why Gove is so keen on them, because they allowed schools to be set up in "non school" buildings. However if you look at New York, you will see that schools in another densely populated city, don't have much in the way of playground/sports space, are build on several levels, and can even have more than one school sharing one building.
I also grew up when there were catchments, at least for secondary. We applied for a "placing request" for me, and I went to a school which was closer to my home than the catchment school.
Another factor in England is that there are a lot of C of E schools, some of which can select on religious grounds (and a few Jewish, Muslim and Hindu schools).
I'm waiting by the door today to find out where DS will go this September
Sorry for all the London disappointments. We are right on the edge of greater London (boundary of Herts and hillingdon) and aside from being pleased with the school, I am also really impressed with the amount of information available to me straight away on allocations. this page has blown me away in fact. Last distances offered under both rules 5&6, and even a table of he spread of 1st to 4th placing of each school on the form. That really shows up clearly which schools were the "don't really like, but put down for insurance" kind. Someone really keen on stats has put all that together!
I used their calculator to find the list of schools by increasing distance and previous two years' PAN/last offered distance stats in December to decide on my choices, in conjunction with the ofsted reports on the closest schools to me, and I am glad it was relatively straightforward. I know we don't have a massively mobile/fluctuating population just here so that's the main difference with inner London.
I was trying to find similar for a colleague who will be navigating this system in Bucks in 18 months time and just now is trying to work out where to buy a house, and they appear to operate a catchment before sibling system. I can't understand how they can do that without cocking life (i.e. morning/afternoon logistics) up for a lot of two-child families. Maybe they draw the catchments by trawling council tax registrations and making a fag-packet guess to how many children are on each street.
Those Herts stats are exactly what we need to follow our application up - I'm hoping that detail will be included in the letter (for the 6 we applied to anyway).