School House Points - I'm going to sound like a nutter.

(45 Posts)
bonzoed Wed 27-Mar-13 13:10:47

My children attend a school which has a house system and every half/end of term the winning house get to wear their team colours on the last day of that half of term. DC1 has noted that over the years, House 1 has won 50% of the time, House 2 25% and House 3 25%. House 4 has never won and my children are in House 4.

Surely the law of averages would mean that occasionally House 4 would get a sniff at winning but they always come 4th, often hundreds of points adrift whilst the other 3 are about 10 points apart from each other.

How can this be addressed without me coming across as a total nutter for caring about something so silly?

As an aside, their house colour is a colour they wouldn't usually wear so I bought them a top each in that colour for the occasion of a house win and they have both outgrown the tops. I am loathe to buy more...

Depending on the age of the children, could one of them not present it dressed up as some maths/statistics home-working?

lljkk Wed 27-Mar-13 13:37:18

hahaha, you got caught out. (That sort of thing happens to me, too).
I think it would be quite reasonable for you to have a word, actually, about fairer distribution of rewards. I presume your DC didn't get a choice about which house they went into (no sorting hat? smile ).

bonzoed Wed 27-Mar-13 14:15:16

What I might do is write an email to the Head saying that DC is under the impression that House 4 always come last but that I am sure that this isn't true so perhaps he could let me know me know when House 4 last won so that I can remind and reassure them.

Or would this sound nutty?

sittinginthesun Wed 27-Mar-13 14:25:20

My dcs are in "House 4". In the 4 plus years they have been at the school, I think they have only won the weekly award twice.

I know that ds1's class has lots of very well behaved and motivated House 4s, so I can only assume it's the other years letting the side down. smile

DeWe Wed 27-Mar-13 18:54:53

In all the schools I was at there always was one house that never won. Sometimes you had sporty houses, sometimes academic, sometimes allround, but there was always a weak house.

The only explanation I could find is that siblings tend to go into the same houses, and you can get ability in one area by a set of siblings, so sproter older group may equal sporty other group.

The houses were always randomly allocated so there was no deliberate act there.

2cats2many Wed 27-Mar-13 20:29:55

DeWe I was just about to say the same thing. There was a rubbish house in my school too. I was in it and we never won anything!

MNetBlackpoolLE Wed 27-Mar-13 20:34:28

ours do this only they get to watch a film/popcorn too.

Its the same house everytime.

They also do house points like this, my sen dd has not been star of the week as a result for two years!

LegoWidow Wed 27-Mar-13 20:39:34

Is it Hufflepuff? grin

PollyEthelEileen Wed 27-Mar-13 20:44:58

_ for brains, for games, and _ and _ are just silly names.

AryaUnderfoot Wed 27-Mar-13 20:57:51

DS' school had a 'House 4' up until last year. It actually got flagged up by the school council that 'House 4' always came last.

Some digging around by the head of SC actually found that there were far fewer children in 'House 4' than other houses. A combination of siblings all going into the same houses and not accounting for families leaving the school meant that the numbers in each house were really out of balance.

The houses have now been completely re-organised, with everyone allocated new houses (with new names).

Now I have probably outed myself, I'd better name-change.

Euphemia Wed 27-Mar-13 21:01:51

Is it Hufflepuff?


StickEmWithThePointyEnd Wed 27-Mar-13 21:07:05

When I was at school we had red, blue, green and yellow "houses". Most of our house points were awarded for sporting events, and the yellow team won most often, followed by blue team, as most of the football, netball and cricket teams were in those houses. The only time the green team got a look in was if there was a big test or quiz (that was my team) and the red team were well and truly Hufflepuff.

bubblesinthebath Wed 27-Mar-13 22:26:22

We had Mars, Neptune, Jupiter, Mercury. Mars always kicked ass in sports...and pretty much everything else. I was in Neptune and we always came last! BUT saying that we were persistant at most things because we had a pipe dream that we could beat Mars hmm challenging yet devastating at the same time grin.

AryaUnderfoot Wed 27-Mar-13 22:34:39

Ha ha, at least you were never trying to thrash Uranus at anything!

Oh, I'm such a teenager at times.

Rowlers Wed 27-Mar-13 22:35:59

Still chortling at is it hufflepuff?

Iamnotminterested Wed 27-Mar-13 22:39:06

Perfectly valid question, op. It also seems to be the case in my DD's secondary school that the golden children from her primary have taken their pedestals with them to high school and the lesser kids should just be damn well grateful to be in their presence. Cynical?

ClayDavis Wed 27-Mar-13 22:43:10

We even sucked at the quiz. Art, music, gym, dance, 6 different sporting competitions, house quiz, number of house points we came 4th in all of them. The only thing we ever had more of than anything else was conduct marks for poor work/behaviour. I think Hufflepuff would have beaten us.

ballstoit Wed 27-Mar-13 22:44:03

Do the points start again or just keep getting added to?

Just thinking if there's already a big gap, then it's not going to close is it?

You should be pleased really though...DS observes that the worse you behave, the more house points you get hmm

bubblesinthebath Wed 27-Mar-13 23:00:49

grin AyraUnderfoot True! True! Just spat my hot chocolate on the screen Thank you!

FannyBazaar Wed 27-Mar-13 23:06:29

grin I'm thinking Uranus would be bottom every time wink.

Merrylegs Wed 27-Mar-13 23:12:29

Ooh bubbles. I was a Neptune too. And yes, Mars usually won. Why is that?

bubblesinthebath Thu 28-Mar-13 10:42:53

Merrylegs I believe Twas because all the academic/athletic peeps were in Mars either that or their solicitor/managing director/doctor parents were giving the school back handers wink grin. I loved it though made me wanna run that little bit faster on sports day ha ha.

bonzoed Thu 28-Mar-13 12:01:45

Ok, have sent message to the Head. Arya's comment about a house in her school not having the same number of children in it spurred me on. I've basically said that DC seems to think that her house never win but that I am sure that this is not the case so would he let me know when House 4 last won so that I can reassure DCs.

I do feel ever so precious for sending the email. He's going to think I'm a nutter.

Hassled Thu 28-Mar-13 12:06:37

He's not going to think you're a nutter - or at least if he does, you'll be low down in terms of the nuttiness he's encountered grin.

I think it's a valid question - and the siblings thing is probably relevant. I can think of one family I know with 4 incredibly talented sporty boys - they win everything (and they're nice and polite and good-looking too, the bastards) and if you had those 4 in a school house everyone else would be stuffed.

bonzoed Thu 28-Mar-13 12:08:02

Ballstoit - I think the points are cumulative over the year, or at least over a whole term. Also, DC1 has observed that the special events/treats always go to the worst behaved boy in the class.

bonzoed Thu 28-Mar-13 12:09:03

Ha, ha Hassled, don't you hate it when the beautiful, talented people are nice too?

Chandon Thu 28-Mar-13 12:19:56

Oh dear, I do not even know what house the Dc are in, let alone if they ever won... ( guess not as they probably would have told me...?)

Does this stuff really matter?

Although I am quite willing to accept that I am a bit crap and do not care enough aboutsuch things.

bonzoed Thu 28-Mar-13 23:14:26

Well I haven't had a response so guess it will have to wait to until next term. I am sure there is a reason for the house system but I think being a member of House 4 is probably a pretty unmotivating situation.

clam Fri 29-Mar-13 17:34:13

You have sent an email to your children's Head Teacher effectively complaining that their house never seems to win? shock

Now I've heard it all.

bonzoed Sat 30-Mar-13 21:37:33

No I did not complain. I said that DC is under the impression that House 4 never win but I am sure that can't be true so could he let me know when they did win so that I can reassure DC.

You're tone is what I expected though grin grin

He said that the school does not keep a record but he thinks Year 6 might know. Given that the staff do not seem to administer the House System, my DC don't seem to be aware who is in their House, and that they have a reward chart system for good behavior and gold stars for 'good learning' I think the point of the House System is getting somewhat lost.

Coconutty Sat 30-Mar-13 21:43:53

Yes, he is going to think you are a nutter but at least it will have made him smile!

I like the fact that you care that your kids haven't had a chance to wear their own colours, at ours everyone wears their colours on the last day of the school year.

neverputasockinatoaster Sat 30-Mar-13 23:13:46

When I was at school we had the 'rubbish' house that never won anything. I was in it. The name of the house started with clap......... You can guess what it was known as! grin

At the school I work in we have a house system. House points are awarded for good work, good behaviour and random stuff like holding doors open without being asked etc ie being thoughtful.

I have absolutely NO IDEA what house each child is in. I am as suprised as the kids by the winner each week and I award points based on merit not house name. If I was to be asked to award more points to house x I'd probably stop awarding points altogether in case i got ti wrong!

Chubfuddler Sat 30-Mar-13 23:16:27

Never mind. Hufflepuff had Cedric Diggory and he was HOT. dead too in the end but by the end of HP so were lots of other kids.

Bonzoed Thu 23-May-13 12:03:49

OP here - Just thought I'd resurrect my old thread. Spoke to HT today who told me that a) DC's house has won this half term b) it's been at least 11 half terms since they last won c) there is significantly less that 25% of the school in 'House 4'.

Out of this comes that they are going to weight the points to reflect the relative size of House 4 and look at how they can make the House System more about team work because other than sports day, they don't do anything in their houses.

I did feel like a nutter having the conversation with HT though.

freetrait Thu 23-May-13 21:55:03

Hooray! (I think). Well done for being the Nutter with balls grin.

quip Thu 23-May-13 22:14:21

well done hufflepuff.

BlackeyedSusan Thu 23-May-13 23:12:09

11 terms is a long while for a child.

SanityClause Thu 23-May-13 23:26:26

Actually, that's a really good outcome. All my DC have loads of house competitions at their various schools. (Sports, singing, drama, loads of things.) it's really good for getting them to work together as a team.

Picturepuncture Thu 23-May-13 23:39:14

That's a great outcome.

To add to the siblings theory don't forget that 'success' breeds success. So if house 1 has 3 sporty siblings in who win things then the children they work with closely will become motivated and try hard to progress, upping their chance of success. Whereas house 4 will become demotivated, believe they cannot win and also have no role models.

DisAstrophe Thu 23-May-13 23:44:58

Well done op. You are a nutter but you did it nicely. You have scored a minor victory for justice and I hope your kids appreciate it!

DisAstrophe Thu 23-May-13 23:45:00

Well done op. You are a nutter but you did it nicely. You have scored a minor victory for justice and I hope your kids appreciate it!

JoyMachine Thu 23-May-13 23:45:26

My house never won anything whilst I was at school... but when I went back a few years later for some classroom experience, they were top in everything! shock
Must just have been us that were rubbish grin

LadyBigtoes Fri 24-May-13 00:00:12

Aaaaaah, happy memories - I was in the crap house at school. It was called Wellington. We never, ever won. I never, ever gave a shit (and I was a swot).

Use this opportunity to help your DC learn that it's all alias of meaningless wibble.

LadyBigtoes Fri 24-May-13 00:00:49

Alias!? That was meant tobe a load of

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