At what age did your child start reading for pleasure?

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Fuzzymum1 Fri 01-Mar-13 11:16:14

I know it varies hugely and there isn't really a 'normal' here but I can't remember when my older boys started curling up with a book by choice.

All of my boys have learned to read quite easily and I remember there were times when both DS1 and DS2 were getting through books quicker than I could keep up with visiting the library! As a family we all love to read.

DS3 has just turned 6 and has been reading lime at school for a while and needs very little help with them, his teacher says his comprehension is good too - working at around 2A I think. He has lots of books with a variety of themes and styles but he's yet to make that move to wanting to read for pleasure. I'm not worried about him, he loves to be read to and loves audio books - he's having a chapter a night of harry potter at the moment and really enjoying it, but I am looking forward to the day he wants to curl up and read on a rainy day. instead of insisting we all play school assembly and sing

learnandsay Fri 01-Mar-13 11:20:21

My four year old loves to read to her sister. But then my one year old loves to read to us. She's just learned to turn the book the right way up but she still says da da da when looking at the pictures and not the words. I'd thinking of booking an appointment with an educational psychologist.

GrimmaTheNome Fri 01-Mar-13 11:32:40

You're right there's no 'normal' - for my DD it wouldn't come under 'primary education', she didn't really start curling up with a book voluntarily till secondary. Whereas there's probably a few precocious G&T who start doing it in preschool! grin

I rather think my DD was turned off by the primary school's well-meaning 'book challenge' type awards.

DeWe Fri 01-Mar-13 11:33:16

Mine were all early readers for pleasure.
Dd1 was the latest at 5.3yo when she discovered rainbow fairies.
Dd2 discovered rainbow fairies at 4yo and since then has missed many things due to having a nose in a book. Mostly time to put her light out at night.

Ds it's a difficult question. He started reading non-fiction for pleasure from about age 3yo. But in a lot of ways that was easier because it's small snippets, also a certain amount was on the internet-he'd search for a topic he liked and read that. He now (6 in June) does read some fiction for fun, mostly Beast Quest, but not as avidly as the girls, he'd still rather be read to if it's fiction.

I do love going to the library though. I get about an hour of complete peace when they are curl up with their books to read them. (but ds will get non-fiction)

teta Fri 01-Mar-13 11:33:45

My 6 year old wasn't enjoying the school books so we went to the local library.They had lists of various topics/genres for the different age groups.After a bit of trial and error he found out he really liked Beast Quest [he especially likes the collector cards in the back of each book].He is still working his way through them [the story is somewhat formulaic but he is enjoying them].We are also having interesting discussions on the motivations of different beasts and how good and evil can coexist in one.Think about the games/toys /interests that your son has and that will help you find something suitable.Also mumsnet is good for suggestions on different genres [in the childrens reading section].

mintyneb Fri 01-Mar-13 11:37:04

we're not there yet, my DD will be 6 this month

BeehavingBaby Fri 01-Mar-13 11:41:01

7 precisely, Enid Blyton.

Dd probably started around 6, with library books, although she did like the Golden Key(?) books from school. I found it was when she was at a stage to read books that had a proper story.
Now we can't get her to stop! smile

simpson Fri 01-Mar-13 12:04:54

DD is in reception and has been reading to herself every night since at least the beginning of the school year (could be longer I don't know).

DS (yr3) has always been into non fiction (newspapers, footie books/magazines etc) but has only started reading fiction for pleasure by himself in the last couple of months...

crappypatty Fri 01-Mar-13 12:12:11

Dd1 never really read for pleasure until she was about 15 and started reading my crime thrillers. Dd2 rarely read for pleasure but has stacks of boos that she buys and then never reads, such as Michael Morpugo sets.

Ds is 8 and has been reading for pleasure since about 5. He has Autism so it used to be Enclopedia style books, or whatever his current obsession was, currently he loves his horrible history sets and all the diary of a wimpy kid books.

redskyatnight Fri 01-Mar-13 12:15:58

DD was 6 I think - she was around purple level (i.e. could read with some degree of fluency). Rainbow fairies cemented the love!

DS has always loved being read to, but really didn't start to read for pleasure until half way through year 3 (so 8.5 ish). In his case it was books that span off "interests" (e.g. star wars, batman ...) and then Harry Potter.

Doyouthinktheysaurus Fri 01-Mar-13 12:17:28

Ds2 is 8, it's only really since he turned 8 that he has developed a passion for reading and chooses to do so every evening. Before that he read because he had to, but stopped as soon as he could.

Ds1 has always loved reading and it's hard to get his head out of a book.

All children are different, I wouldn't worry really.

Primrose123 Fri 01-Mar-13 12:28:41

DD1 was always a bookworm. When she was a toddler we would get books from the library and then get home and I would read them all to her. She loved it. She read very early herself, and started reading books for pleasure when she was about 5. She won a school reading competition in Year 6. She is 15 and still loves reading.

DD2 always loved to be read to. She read very well in school but when she was younger she preferred looking at factual books. She's never really read for pleasure. This surprised me a bit, especially as DD1 is such a bookworm (and I am too!). She always did well in primary school, she was in the top group for everything, so I didn't worry. She has just started secondary school. They had an English exam at Christmas, and she amazed us by coming top of the whole year in English! Her English teacher can't believe that she doesn't read for pleasure. She reads the set books with no problem, and seems to enjoy them. We have so many books in the house (because of DD1's obsession) and it's a shame that she doesn't read them. I try to encourage her, but don't push it too much. Hopefully, she will start to enjoy reading soon!

I wouldn't worry about your DC. Some children just don't seem to enjoy reading to themselves.

noramum Fri 01-Mar-13 12:34:06

DD is 5.5, Y1 and started reading around mid-January for her own pleasure. She has a break after lunch at the weekend and often listen to a story tape and reads the book as well.

We have a lot of the Usborne Young Reader series, she likes them as they are still slots of pictures compared to the typical chapter books. But as we read these to her at bedtime we know she reads them a bit as well. We now have to start re-checking on her in the evening and reminding her that light has to be out at 8pm during the week.

issynoko Fri 01-Mar-13 12:52:29

Really for pleasure at around 6. Although DD2 is 4 and 'reads' to her baby brother - pleasure in books but can't really read yet.

MaterFacit Fri 01-Mar-13 13:10:22

DD around 5. She hated all the fairy and animal books but loved books with lots of action and adventure.
DS too young yet but loves to sit and look at the pictures in his books just as his sister did at his age.

I was reading for pleasure around four, but my brother didn't take to reading until he was eight and then it was Biggles books, Asterix, Sharpe books and non-fiction that he devoured. Once he found the genres he enjoyed he was away and he reads a great deal now at 28.

squiddle Fri 01-Mar-13 14:04:07

dd reads for pleasure - she has just turned 6. Dss still doesn't - he is 16. Your ds might prefer books with less type - ie the wimpy kid series.

sittinginthesun Fri 01-Mar-13 15:59:22

DS2 is 6 years, happily reads school books (reading level 8 Ginn books at school), but his reading for pleasure basically consists of the Beano.

DS1 read non fiction at the same age, particularly history.

mrz Fri 01-Mar-13 17:03:23

My son was very small (3ish) and my daughter was a teenager

jalapeno Fri 01-Mar-13 17:35:08

My DS1 was just 6, we often go into charity shops and for some reason he picked out a book (either Astrosaurs or Captain Underpants) and he read it, loved it and badgered me for other titles in the series every day after that. Prior to this epiphany he didn't read for pleasure at all. Since it he loved both those series, also Wimpy Kid and currently Beast Quest but won't read other things to try them.

jalapeno Fri 01-Mar-13 17:35:55

Also should say at the time of the epiphany we were on a camping holiday so perhaps he was missing the TV!

FamiliesShareGerms Fri 01-Mar-13 17:37:55

Five going on six

Beast Quest, Horrid Henry etc etc

EmmaGellerGreen Fri 01-Mar-13 17:38:07

Learnandsay, really?

AMumGoingMad Fri 01-Mar-13 20:07:00

Both my 2 have always looked at books for pleasure, even when babies. They got enjoyment out of them even though they couldn't read. I would spend hours reading to them. This love of books has just continued as they started to learn to read and both now read at night before their lights are turned of. They are 6.

schilke Fri 01-Mar-13 20:20:57

Ds1 - 7 (enjoys reading, but never obsessively so like dc2 & 3)
Ds2 - 5 (bookworm through primary, but has lost it now - sob)
Dd1 - 5 (9 now and total bookworm)
Dd2 - still waiting....she's 6.5 at the moment

Saracen Sat 02-Mar-13 00:32:52

Dd1 - 9. Reading was hard work before then. She desperately wanted to read for pleasure but it was just too exhausting to be fun. Now she's 13 and reads loads.

Dd2 - not yet, she's 6.5 and can't read anything yet, let alone for pleasure.

Startail Sat 02-Mar-13 00:40:53

DD1-12, she dyslexic. Didn't learn to read until she was 11 and at 15 never has her nose out of a book.

DD2 -8 ish, but not very bothered.
She is DD1s absolute opposite, best reader in the class at primary, but far more inclined to watch TV or play SIMs than read.

Rather a case of I can do that if I need to, so why practice.

AllDirections Sat 02-Mar-13 00:51:35

DD1 was into her teens.

DD2 was 5 or 6

DD3 is just 6 and she's just started reading for pleasure. She's been reading Rainbow Fairies and Horrid Henry for a while but only at bedtime (usually to stall bedtime) but she's now reading Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and it's the first book that she's read alone that she's really got into.

vesela Sat 02-Mar-13 21:14:33

DD is 6 this month, and goes through phases of liking to read alone and preferring to be read to. Either way it's for pleasure, if you see what I mean.

She's an only child. I was reading alone pretty exclusively at her age, but I was the eldest of three - my parents were taken up with the younger ones and I was left to get on with it. Plus I've always been more of a written rather than spoken word person - I don't like listening to the radio or audio books, and if I click on a link and find it's a TED lecture I don't have the patience to listen to it smile

Beamur Sat 02-Mar-13 21:23:19

DD has started reading by herself now she can actually read enough of a book to understand it - she probably started in earnest when she was 5, she's just turned 6. She mostly re-reads books she is already familiar with though, although she has a few new ones which we haven't read with her.

Bakingtins Sun 03-Mar-13 07:51:59

6. He read 4 Tom Gates books in a week, hundreds of pages each.

Artichook Sun 03-Mar-13 08:06:28

This thread would have the reader believe its average to read chapter books for pleasure aged 5-6 and not unusual at 4. That is so far from my experience of real life children and helping out in Y1 and Y2 classes. Of course there is huge variation but my RL experience is that very few 4 and 5 year olds are able to read chapter books and at 6 this BEGINS to change.

I think sometimes these threads attract those with unusual experiences.

alsoaperson Sun 03-Mar-13 08:24:35

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alsoaperson Sun 03-Mar-13 08:26:36

Call for HELP, please! And thank you in advance!

Anyone got good suggestions for books to help my daughter (6) step up into chapter books?

For instance, what is the girl equivalent of Horrid Henry?

seeker Sun 03-Mar-13 08:36:19

I have a theory about this- and I am wearing my tin hat.

I think reading for pleasure happens soooooo much later than most people think. Most tiny children love looking at books, and there is so much emphasis on reading being a good thing to do that they cheerfully conform and sit with books, lapping up the praise! They can read, obviously, but the level of fluency necessary to read completely effortlessly and for it not to have to be worked at at all takes loads of practice. Which is why (IMHO) people often say that their children to off reading a a bit in mid primary school. They've gone past the stage where they will do anything for parental approval, and haven't yet reached the stage where reading isn't "work", and is its own reward.

My children, for example, were both good readers in the school sense. Not as good as most mumsnet children, obviously grin but free readers sometime in year 1. But they were both, I think, at least 9 or 10 before they reached the stage where they didn't have to think about the process at all, and reading became an automatic process.

Never underestimate a child's capacity to conform to parental expectation, and to perform for praise!

MerryCouthyMows Sun 03-Mar-13 08:39:22

Dd still hasn't EVER read for pleasure. She is 15 next week. But she has LD's and couldn't read at all until she was 8yo.

DS1 - 4yo.

DS2 - also has LD's, but takes after me and since the age of 7yo, has constantly had his nose buried in a book. To the point of walking into trees and lampposts outside...

DS3 - is only 2yo - so not sure yet!

mrz Sun 03-Mar-13 08:57:11

My OH didn't start reading for pleasure until he was in his 40s so there's time yet MCM

teacherwith2kids Sun 03-Mar-13 10:29:48

DS, though a fluent pre-school reader, only read non-fiction for pleasure until he was in Year 5 Would still probably prefer to read Wisden's Cricketing almanac than most fiction books.

DD, who learned to read at school, is my bookworm, and has been since 6 or 7.

mrz Sun 03-Mar-13 10:56:41

My son mostly read non-fiction (although he enjoyed listening to fiction) until he was in his teens is now a prolific fiction reader. My daughter preferred fiction and now mainly reads biographies.

Floralnomad Sun 03-Mar-13 11:01:09

DS 18 years
DD 12 years
Both could read quite early but my son only ever read what he needed to until he started uni ,is now working through the Russian classics . My daughter started reading when she stopped going to school full time ( medical reasons) and now reads all the time .

insanityscratching Sun 03-Mar-13 11:38:27

Dd2 read for pleasure as soon as she had mastered decoding so about 5, dd1 only started reading for pleasure at aged 9 and now at 19 reads more than I do and I read a lot. Two of my sons only discovered reading for pleasure in their late teens and one of my sons has never enjoyed reading and would never pick up a book through choice.

BooksandaCuppa Sun 03-Mar-13 11:58:19

8 months old by learnandsay's criteria - holding books and turning the pages unaided, pointing to the pictures and starting to fill in words I left out.

8 years by seeker's criteria - devouring whole 400 page novels, unprompted an unchosen by me, at the expense of any other activity.

seeker Sun 03-Mar-13 12:02:55

I think learnandsay's criteria explain all the mumsnet 4 year old chapter book readers!

Kikithecat Sun 03-Mar-13 12:07:13

DD - about 7
DS - 13 and still waiting...

MerryCouthyMows Sun 03-Mar-13 12:21:00

I would use Seeker's criteria, although watered down a bit.

In other words, I class my DC's as competent readers when they start reading chapter books like Roald Dahl etc. So not 400 page books, but still 'proper' books.

I can hold out hope that one day DD will read for pleasure.

My house has do many books in that I could build a house made of books.

My favourite online shop? The Book People.

DS3 is currently very into Mr. Men books. If I went by learnandsay's criteria, he would already be 'reading'

Which I know he isn't.

ShowOfHands Sun 03-Mar-13 12:28:39

DD is 5 and reads for pleasure. She is currently curled up on the sofa reading Black Beauty for the second time. I don't know when she switched from reading by rote to reading for pleasure in fiction terms. Some time in reception I suppose when she read a lot of Blyton and most of the Dahl books and it was like a switch flicking. She's voracious now and reads a lot. Not done for praise or a head pat, just curling up with a book and losing hours to it.

She derives pleasure from books in lots of ways though. She likes to find stuff out for herself using the non-fiction section at the library and enjoys the process of locating a book, finding a section etc. She also reads to her 18mo brother, performs books for him, does voices and actions etc.

Following simple recipes too. Or instructions for making things. They're all part of using reading for something satisfying outside of sitting down and reading. Sometimes the focus on chapter books is a bit misleading I suppose.

teacherwith2kids Sun 03-Mar-13 12:31:09

I suppose my criteria would be:
- Choose a previously unread, reasonably substantial and age appropriate, 'real' book independently (ie not a 'scheme' book)
- Choose where and when to read it.
- Choose to read it absolutely for their own pleasure, independent of the presence or absence of an adult or of a peer / sibling that they would like to impress, and at a time when they could choose to do something else.
- Be capable of reading to themselves, whether out loud or silently, sufficiently fluently to show full absorbtion in the book's contents (ie not necessarily understanding every word, but with such omissions being trivial in the overall context of the book).

seeker Sun 03-Mar-13 12:32:41

A 5 year old who can read Black Beauty is a truly exceptional reader. I personally wouldn't give that particular book to a 5 year old because I don't think the content is suitable, but I realise others won't agree!

ShowOfHands Sun 03-Mar-13 12:41:52

She is nearly 6 actually and I always struggle with fine line between ability and content. Her TA ( a qualified children's librarian ) is actually v good and works with us to choose appropriate books for her maturity and comprehension.

I didn't like Black Beauty at any age!

seeker Sun 03-Mar-13 13:04:47

Just because a child can read something doesn't mean they should.

teacherwith2kids Sun 03-Mar-13 13:06:08

I suppose it would depend if it was the original version (which is quite strong in parts) or one of the somewhat simplified versions, which are very widely available e.g. Ladybird Classics.

Elibean Sun 03-Mar-13 13:28:46

OP, you already know - there is no 'normal', and no one can tell you smile

My eldest dd (who is the 'best reader', whatever that means, in her Y4 class) has only really enjoyed reading for the past year - though she has always been an excellent reader, big vocab, great understanding, etc etc etc. Reading for pleasure is very recent, all the same.

My youngest (Y1) is about to start White level, and will sit in bed and read for pleasure about once every few weeks - no more than that! But I have no fear. She'll get there.

Elibean Sun 03-Mar-13 13:30:54

Oh - but OTOH, dd2's best friend has been reading for pleasure since she was about 4. She has trouble finding books with appropriate content for a 6 year old, really - but has read loads and loads of full length novels.

That said, she probably doesn't understand a fifth of the vocab - because she reads fast and doesn't stop to ask adults what words mean.

Taffeta Sun 03-Mar-13 15:38:00

DS (9) hates fiction. Really hates reading at home. Will read at school.

DD (6) shows a modicum of interest.

I started reading a lot in my teens, and go through phases now of reading a lot. DH started reading fiction for pleasure last year, in his 40s like mrz's OH.

Magrug Sun 03-Mar-13 17:35:39

#1 was 2 or 3
#2 was about 5
#3 took much longer and was about 8, but now reads non-stop.

UniS Sun 03-Mar-13 22:48:11

Books that were largely look at the pictures like "cross sections castle" - age 4 or 5

The Beano - age 6 rapidly followed by other non fiction books.

Stories ?? still waiting

Paddlinglikehell Mon 04-Mar-13 00:05:29

DD read the odd easy readers at around 7, but has only very recently started reading books on her own for enjoyment and she is 8.5, in fact she read in the car today, almost the whole of the Worst Witch.

For the poster who asked about books for their 6 year old - try Muddle Puddle Farm books, DD would read these on her own. Also some of the Ladybird Early Readers.

seeker Mon 04-Mar-13 06:06:53

"That said, she probably doesn't understand a fifth of the vocab - because she reads fast and doesn't stop to ask adults what words mean."

So she's not reading- she's turning the pages.

learnandsay Mon 04-Mar-13 09:19:14

A child reading one fifth of a full length novel is still reading a lot more than one reading any of the Boff, Chopper and Flippy books that I've come across.

mistlethrush Mon 04-Mar-13 09:24:08

DS got fed up of waiting for chapter 2 of HP when he was 6 - so finished the book. He's been more or less hooked on books since - I trawl the 2nd hand bookshop and get a heap that look about right and provide them to him and he will happily pick his way through them (although its sometimes difficult to get him to eat breakfast as the story is, apparently, too interesting to put down). We generally have the problem that he wakes up early and reads then rather than going back to sleep, but he will grab a book at almost any time of the day.

AWimbaWay Mon 04-Mar-13 09:39:08

Dd1, just turned 7 enjoys reading picture books (gruffolo etc.) but isn't a confident enough reader yet for proper novels. We read Roald Dahl, Harry Potter etc. to her but she needs many of the words explaining so would struggle on her own.

Ds, 5, has only very basic reading skills, he sits and studies books for hours, especially if they contain pictures of bugs, but wouldn't be able to read them yet. I sometimes hear him spelling out words to himself which is very cute and encouraging.

teta Mon 04-Mar-13 09:42:44

Why do you have to understand every word in a book seeker?.I think its one way of totally killing any enjoyment in a book.I read war and peace when i was 11,i didn't understand a lot and skipped over the historical bits but still enjoyed the book and got a lot out of it.I used to read half the night by the lamp post outside my bedroom window[from age 6].In contrast my dh has never read for pleasure and i don't think ever will.

learnandsay Mon 04-Mar-13 09:44:45

I think there's a risk that if you teach children to read they'll do it.

seeker Mon 04-Mar-13 09:46:22

You don't have to understand every word in a book, obviously. But not understanding a 5th of the words is a bit different.

seeker Mon 04-Mar-13 10:38:34

Much better for a child to confidently read and understand and enjoy a Biff and Chip or a Beast Quest than to sit skimming Alice in Wonderland, reading the odd word now and again.

Doesn't looks so good to visitors,though!grin

learnandsay Mon 04-Mar-13 10:51:13

I really don't see the problem. Surely if the child wants to skim let her skim; she likes it. I would no more prevent my child from skimming Alice in Wonderland than practising taking penalty kicks into a mini goal in the garden if that's what she wanted to do.

Given the right motivation she might even read it or try to. But I'd choose an easier book for that, probably not Chopper and Boff though.

seeker Mon 04-Mar-13 10:53:58

And I don't know what this one's about either. I''m going to make coffee.

coppertop Mon 04-Mar-13 11:10:43

Ds1 was an early reader but didn't really get interested in reading books for pleasure until he started secondary school. He now (age 12) gets through a lot of books but does most of his reading either in the school library or at bedtime.

Ds2 was in Yr3, so aged about 7 or 8. He reads anywhere and everywhere.

Dd is 6yrs old and has only just become interested in reading books for herself. These are mostly shorter stories (she loves Julia Donaldson's books).

mrz Mon 04-Mar-13 16:57:05

learnandsay Mon 04-Mar-13 09:19:14

"A child reading one fifth of a full length novel is still reading a lot more than one reading any of the Boff, Chopper and Flippy books that I've come across."

A child reading a fifth of a full length novel inaccurately is learning bad habits.

learnandsay Mon 04-Mar-13 20:48:24

Possibly, or maybe she's play-reading and imitating what adults do when they read such books. We don't really know what this child is doing because the mum hasn't been very precise.

simpson Mon 04-Mar-13 20:57:38

Surely if a child is reading one fifth of a novel then they must be getting something out of it or they would not bother...

DD sneaked her older brothers school book out of his book bag the other day (How to train a Dragon) read it for about 5 seconds before sinking to the floor in a hissy fit because she could not understand it grin

Beamur Mon 04-Mar-13 21:05:47

My DD is by no means the best reader in her year. But she enjoys books and as a family we all read a lot, so she has seen us reading too. She has started going off to spend time in her room and often spends this reading - she has recently cracked reading without speaking out loud too. I don't think I've commented or praised her for reading by herself either - it didn't seem that big a deal.

mrz Mon 04-Mar-13 21:06:24

When I looked back to the original post
"That said, she probably doesn't understand a fifth of the vocab - because she reads fast and doesn't stop to ask adults what words mean."

it's clearly different to learnandsay's post so I apologise ...
If she is reading the whole book accurately but not understanding some of the words she needs a sympathetic adult around to help with meaning but nevertheless she is doing well.

Haberdashery Mon 04-Mar-13 21:15:26

I don't think reading fast and not asking adults what words mean is necessarily the sign of a failing reader or one who is learning bad habits, actually. I was that child, at four and five and six (I had read all the Narnia books by the time I was five and a half and I loved it and raced through them and would have been furious if anyone had tried to stop me for a second while reading). Yes, there were lots of words I didn't know but context will give you plenty of info about what words mean if you're reading with reasonably close attention. And reading fast doesn't mean you aren't paying attention. I think, actually, that working out what words mean from how they are used is a good skill to have - it's often possible. Yes, sometimes you will get it wrong but if you are an enthusiastic and catholic reader you will soon come across the word again and have your potential half-formed inferred meaning refined.

learnandsay Mon 04-Mar-13 21:18:19

At some point you also need to learn how to look things up, but I won't be pressing my five year old to be doing that. At seven, maybe.

Smooshy Mon 04-Mar-13 21:24:14

DS1 started reading for pleasure as soon as he started reading at 4. He's had his head stuck in a book ever since.

DS2 has ASD so he's still at a very basic level, and doesn't have the comprehension levels for fiction books. He does like looking at maps and fact books about whatever his obsession is - currently the solar system and weather.

DS3 & 4 are 8 and have only really began to get into reading over the past year. They don't do a lot of it, certainly not as much as DS1 but they really love Roald Dahl atm, which has spurred them on to read more.

DS5 is nearly 6 and occasionally picks up a book and has a look but isn't at a level where he can read much by himself, he's happy to read his school books to me though.

simpson Mon 04-Mar-13 21:39:29

Do you mean looking words up in a dictionary or looking up what words mean in the glossary (non fiction)?

DS was taught about the glossary, index, contents pages etc at the end of reception/early year 1.

learnandsay Mon 04-Mar-13 23:29:41

As the books get longer the glossary will start to be used for reference. At the moment we're reading the whole thing as part of the school book. (But the books and the glossaries are pretty short.) But in general it will be a dictionary that unfamiliar words are being looked up in. At the moment I'm letting my daughter help me look words up in my Odhams 1932 dictionary. But it's very old and musty and she objects to its smell. I can't live without it but I'm going to have to buy a new one at some point.

teta Tue 05-Mar-13 00:14:10

i was that child Haberdashery.I used to understand a words meaning largely from context.The pronunciation wasn't always right but i always got the gyst of it.My biggest worry is that my 4 dc's won't.With this emphasis on understanding text taking all the enjoyment out of reading and the modern competitors of nintendos,wiis and computer games what hope do we have?

80sMum Tue 05-Mar-13 00:19:35

In terms of choosing and reading books on their own, my DCs both reached that stage at 7.

FriendlyLadybird Tue 05-Mar-13 10:43:52

DS always read but it was almost always non-fiction until the age of about nine. He enjoyed Roald Dahl and The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe (but only that one -- he wasn't interested in even trying the other books), but mostly read books about volcanoes and other natural disasters.

Then I read aloud the first chapter of Percy Jackson and the Lightning Thief ... and he was off! Since then he's read, and re-read at the rate of a book a night.

CoteDAzur Tue 05-Mar-13 10:46:19

DD was 7.

DS is 3.8 and he is "reading" his books for pleasure, sitting with them by himself, turning the pages and saying out loud the parts he remembers on each page.

telsa Tue 05-Mar-13 13:32:52

I would love to know how representative the responses on threads like this are. Reading all 7 of the Narnia Chronicles by 5 and a half!? It is so unlike my experience!
By the way, has anyone looked at the lexile measure website? It is quite interesting - as it tries to asses the complexity and vocabulary etc or different books, across a range of 10 to 1700 - in order to let you match them to children's abilities. On this, Chronicles of Narnia has a score of around 800-950 (as do the Harry Potters) - while Rainbow Fairies is 540, as are roughly the Horrid Henry books. Black Beauty beats them all at 1010.
www.lexile.com/about-lexile/lexile-overview/

something to obsess over!

seeker Tue 05-Mar-13 13:34:16

As I said, tesla- there's reading and reading if you see what I mean!

seeker Tue 05-Mar-13 13:36:55

And you notice it's always a very narrow range of books these talented 5/6 year olds read. Narnia, Alice, Black Beauty and Harry Potter are the main ones !

learnandsay Tue 05-Mar-13 13:43:17

It does seem to vary according to which edition of the book the children are reading.

DS has always loved reading, from the age he could hold a book in his hands.

Haberdashery Tue 05-Mar-13 13:48:30

I was just an early and competent reader, telsa (I'm the one who'd read all the Narnia books at five and a half). As we so often hear on these threads, it sadly did not translate into any form of genius in later life grin! Although I'm still a very fast reader, which was handy at university when I had to read quite a lot of books every week.

I suspect people talking about readers who are reading at higher levels than would be usual for someone of that age tend to give obvious things like Narnia as examples because we all know everyone else has at least heard of them and has probably read them so it's a common reference point in terms of what kind of reading material people are talking about. There's very little point in using an obscure book nobody's ever heard of as an example!

seeker Tue 05-Mar-13 13:50:19

"It does seem to vary according to which edition of the book the children are reading."

Yep, the LadyBird Classic Black Beauty would be a bit different to the original.......grin

learnandsay Tue 05-Mar-13 13:51:05

Also you can't go far wrong with classic children's books.

seeker Tue 05-Mar-13 13:52:52

Yes you can. Many of them are long, boring and incomprehensible.

Haberdashery Tue 05-Mar-13 13:52:55

That's a very interesting site, telsa. I'm looking up some of the books that DD has read recently and they seem to vary massively in complexity.

learnandsay Tue 05-Mar-13 13:56:20

That's a good thing though, haberd, surely.

Haberdashery Tue 05-Mar-13 14:03:34

Well, it's neither good nor bad really, just interesting. They vary from about 600 to 1100. Some of the more complex ones aren't the ones I'd have expected, either. And it's interesting that eg Black Beauty comes in at 1010 and shows clearly that reading difficulty isn't all you need to take into account because I suspect that DD would be massively upset by it at 6. Also, I haven't read Black Beauty for many years but I would have assumed that it would be too hard for her.

MyFace Tue 05-Mar-13 14:26:38

Oooo! I remember DS was lazy with reading independently even though he knew how to read at an early age(4-5) I got fed up of reading to him because I knew he could do it by himself. So one day I read upto a really exciting bit in the book and just left it there and made excuses not to carry on- too busy, will read tomorrow etc and voila! He read the rest himself, and hasn't stopped since. I think he has the last laugh though since I can't keep up with providing him with enough books, it is exhausting (think 20 plus books in a month, all books above his age) maybe I should just get him a kindle and be done with it.
DD on the other hand was a late developer, she'd rather do arts and craft at bedtime, even though she could read around 7-8 too. She is reading for pleasure only now at 9-10, and is beginning to whine about more books (average is probably about 12 a month) and prefers to write her own stories now.

mrz Tue 05-Mar-13 17:33:41

I agree with seeker lots of young children dislike the children's classics like Black Beauty and Pippi Longstocking intensely. My daughter hated Beatrix Potter and Enid Blyton much to her granny's dismay

learnandsay Tue 05-Mar-13 17:38:01

Interesting. What did she like instead?

mrz Tue 05-Mar-13 18:28:08

The Owl who was afraid of the Dark
The worst witch
Jeremiah in the dark wood
Woof!
The Hodgeheg
Diary of a killer cat
there's a boy in the girls bathroom
etc etc etc

teta Tue 05-Mar-13 18:29:09

My 8 year olds favourite book of all time is the enchanted tree series by Enid blyton.She is currently reading the Wishing Chair series .My dc's when they were tiny used to love me reading Beatrix Potter to them[and the mr men series for some reason].I think maybe because these books were little [and so were they].

mrz Tue 05-Mar-13 18:33:29

My mum bought the complete Beatrix Potter and Jane Hissey collections when my daughter was born and she would say "please not those mummy"

learnandsay Tue 05-Mar-13 18:34:37

Mine love Mr Men and John Burningham. My older one loves Beatrix Potter read to and to read, and she's reading Christian Anderson to me. She loves to listen to Alice in Wonderland and Wind in the Willows, (nearly all) stuff I had as a child.

Snog Tue 05-Mar-13 18:35:31

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my dyslexic dd discovered the Hunger Games on holiday last summer

mrz Tue 05-Mar-13 18:38:38

I'm reading Alice in Wonderland to my Y1 class at the moment

bigdog Tue 05-Mar-13 18:39:36

My daughter has read for pleasure ever since she learnt to read independently at around 2.5, but she's always ben a bit of a freak when it comes to reading and maths...

mrz, my dd has a similar reaction to Beatrix potter!

Dd started reading for pleasure at about 7.5 when she read HP but could not be bribed (dh tried!) to read Secret Seven. She really enjoyed Amelia Jane as well. Currently we are stuck in the realm of Animal Ark although she has an abridged version of Black Beautybthat she loves.

Ds was fixated on nonfiction until we saw The Hobbit at the cinema. He is now reading the book (while asking what some words mean - poetical ambiguity got Nima couple of weeks ago!) with gusto. He is 7.5.

mrz Tue 05-Mar-13 19:03:56

My son preferred to read non fiction when he was very young but liked to listen to fiction. When he was older he enjoyed reading The Hobbit, The Earthsea books, The Dark is Rising series

NonnoMum Tue 05-Mar-13 19:10:00

DD nearly 8 is still not reading for pleasure. We still have to read to her every night.

She loves it and still seems not ready to read to herself.

seeker Tue 05-Mar-13 19:19:43

Being read to I'd very different to reading. My docs both loved having the "olden days" books read to them but had absolutely no desire to read them for themselves.

mrz Tue 05-Mar-13 19:22:38

I agree seeker

Yes, here too. I read Treasure Island to my two and they thought it was very exciting. Would they read it themselves? I doubt it!

BooCanary Tue 05-Mar-13 19:27:58

Dd has enjoyed reading to ds since she just turned 6. However its only very recently (she's 6.5) that she's had her nose in a paperback at bedtime (Rainbow Fairies or Princess Mirrorbelle). She has to be told its lights out!

MrsShrek3 Tue 05-Mar-13 19:38:06

my dc are all still read to [mug emoticon] we all love sharing books.
as independent reading for pleasure goes - ds1 (severely dyslexic) within the last year, at 12
ds2 loved reading to himself at 5
dd 6 and a half.
they're all different. slightly dependent on personality and only a bit on reading ability imho. And a variety of stuff available to choose from.

mrz Tue 05-Mar-13 19:43:43

I read a book to my daughter tonight ...she's 23 grin

seeker Tue 05-Mar-13 20:02:47

I was going to claim the oldest read to-ers at 12 and 17, but you beat me! Not every night obviously, but if anyone's Ill orsad or it's snowing or it's Christmas or we're camping............

BooksandaCuppa Tue 05-Mar-13 21:01:55

This is veering into whole other thread territory, but I still read to my husband...he's 47 (and ds, 12). Does that count?

Beamur Tue 05-Mar-13 22:28:09

Booksandacuppa - that's sweet. My DP used to read to me too - but hasn't in ages! (co-incides with about when DD arrived...) Arabian Nights, Just so stories and the Moomins grin

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