Which 'Read at home' level is your Reception child on at this point?

(116 Posts)
WiganKebab Thu 07-Feb-13 22:05:22

Mine is on 1+, but I wondered if there was a benchmark of roughly where she should be around now?

barristermum Thu 07-Feb-13 22:08:29

Hugely variable looking at my daughter's class. She's on level 4 but plenty in her class on 1+. Think a lot depends on how old they are in class (she's jan b'day) and what level of early years input prior to school - mine had been in nursery.

toffeefee Thu 07-Feb-13 22:09:46

I sometimes go in to help at DD's school and read with the reception children. To be honest there is such a huge variation with some that can read fluently and some that are still learning sounds and letter recognition. I really really wouldn't worry about what level your DC is on.

barristermum Thu 07-Feb-13 22:11:05

I used to like the kerrygold and assumed they stopped doing it as it disappeared from all my supermarkets (budgens, tesco, sainsburys and waitrose so pretty comprehensive list). Where'd you get it?

WiganKebab Thu 07-Feb-13 22:11:16

Thankyou both. When does it start to even out a bit, toffee?

WiganKebab Thu 07-Feb-13 22:12:04

Are you lost barrister? Lol wink

barristermum Thu 07-Feb-13 22:12:17

Oops. Posted one reply on wrong thread - obviously! shock

plainjayne123 Thu 07-Feb-13 22:14:17

No one has reading levels in reception at our school, just phonics groups

barristermum Thu 07-Feb-13 22:14:21

Tho if either of you buy kerrygold spreadable the question still stands...grin

givemeaclue Thu 07-Feb-13 22:17:02

I have two in reception, one on level 6 and one on level 2. Both enjoy reading and books and are making good progress. One has just picked it up quicker, neither could read before starting school. I read with them both every day.

bumpertobumper Thu 07-Feb-13 22:20:34

mine is 1+ too. I am pleased with his progress, he has definitely got the concept and knows the letters/sounds.
Talking to a friend who's reception DS gets quite a lot of homework (!) i realise that they are not being pushed very fast at our school, but I like that as he is enjoying learning and it isn't a chore, as it shouldn't be at this age.

learnandsay Thu 07-Feb-13 22:31:54

Mine is reading all the stuff they forgot to throw away in the 1970s.

givemeaclue Thu 07-Feb-13 22:34:06

Exactly bumper, I wouldn't worry about levels at all Wigan. If you think about what your child can do now compared to when started school, I bet she has made loads of progress

givemeaclue Thu 07-Feb-13 22:35:27

Some of the books are dire though...particularly boring one yesterday <stifles yawn>

learnandsay Thu 07-Feb-13 22:51:44

It's a case of quantity not quality. But hopefully the child should be able to whiz through them.

simpson England Thu 07-Feb-13 22:54:07

My DS at this stage when he was in reception had not even been given a reading book but still finished in ORT 5 (he is yr3 now).

DD is in reception and has a mixture of gold/white books but most of her class are on red. There is one other boy who is on green (who DD does guided reading with).

ThisIsMummyPig Thu 07-Feb-13 22:56:02

Not even sure they are on bands - at the momen they are all about one word (a chair, a cup, a table, my sock, my shoe, I like toast, I like jam etc) that would be three seperate books.

Jan baby, not particularly bright

louisianablue2000 Thu 07-Feb-13 23:42:42

DD1 on level 2, December birthday, just had parent's evening and teacher very complimentary about her progress. dhe couldn't read in September, but had done some Jolly Phonics (just the basic letters) at nursery.

sunnyday123 Fri 08-Feb-13 07:09:06

Dd2 is just about to start level 3. Not sure about her friends. Her teacher has always said they aim to end reception on stage 4. Dd1 was on the same stage this point of reception. However dd2 started stage 2 from the start in oct.

i think it depends how they run the scheme, in dds class, they read all 18 books of each stage before moving up (unless they show real improvement) as they go more on understanding the text rather than reading the words. Obviously this takes longer on only 2 books per week.

mrz Fri 08-Feb-13 07:41:17

Reception children can be anywhere between pink and white level at this point all are perfectly normal

learnandsay Fri 08-Feb-13 09:26:40

I suspect that for some mums who get their children to do a lot of reading at home or in the library and let their children read anything regardless of how it has been written then they might see a divergence between what the child is capable of reading and what the school provides. But I'm not sure to what extent that matters. If the child can read Dickens but is reading pink books it probably matters quite a bit. But if the child is reading books somewhere in the middle of the scheme and is reading Winnie the Pooh and 101 Dalmations, probably not so much.

survivingwinter Fri 08-Feb-13 09:27:12

Really mrz - is white normal for reception?!

learnandsay Fri 08-Feb-13 09:30:23

simpson's daughter is reading white books in Reception. It probably depends on how proactive the school is. I expect that there are schools which have no white readers in Reception and some who have never had any.

MrsMelons Fri 08-Feb-13 11:49:10

My DS2 is on level 2 ORT equiv to red I believe (is that what you mean?). DS1 was on ORT level 10 (white level)half way through YR and started on Level 7 so I think there can be a huge difference. I am really happy with DS2's progress but I wouldn't be concerned if he wasn't reading at all at this stage.

I am not sure it is that usual to have Y2 level readers in YR but it really can vary. DS1s year group had 5 children between purple and white level part way through which is great out of just 32 children but in the following YR class the top group were green/orange (stage 5/6).

gabsid Fri 08-Feb-13 12:15:46

Hm, I thought YR was there to introduce DC to school life, not to push their reading?

I can only assume that white level readers in YR are either those few how are natural early readers who are keen to read early because that's what they see at home and are encouraged or those who have been pushed by the parents.

Otherwise I thought in YR DC learn letters and sound with jolly phonics, start blending them ... and for some it just falls into place and they progress quicker (mostly the older ones I assume) and others take a bit longer, whereas most will get there before long.

So I don't think it makes any sense comparing YR children as some are just about 4 yo and others are over 5.

noisytoys Fri 08-Feb-13 12:19:23

DD is on lime level (level 11) bust she finds the school books quite boring so she reads one lime book a week and takes in books from home too. The teacher is ok with that because she prefers DD to enjoy what she is reading rather than sticking just to banded books

givemeaclue Fri 08-Feb-13 12:50:30

Wow at level 11 in reception

N0tinmylife Fri 08-Feb-13 13:07:38

My DS brings home a mixture of 1+ and 2 books, he seems to find them fairly easy, and enjoys reading them, which I think is the most important thing at this stage!

projectsrus Fri 08-Feb-13 13:28:03

None, our DS2 reception class hasn't started sending books home yet.

learnandsay Fri 08-Feb-13 13:31:51

Well, that's certainly one way of avoiding being accused of sending home the wrong books.

lockets Fri 08-Feb-13 13:42:00

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

simpson England Fri 08-Feb-13 14:10:40

Gabsid -My DC school start jolly phonics in nursery.

DD is now on gold/white level (she gets a mixture of both). She taught herself to read before nursery (a cat sat on a mat type level) and has progressed since then.

She is very bog standard with numeracy as it doesn't float her boat really.

mrz Fri 08-Feb-13 16:50:15

gabsid I've taught children who were complete non readers when they started school (don't know any sounds at all) and have moved to gold/white by this stage in the reception year. Definitely not pushy parents either or homes full of books.

WiganKebab Fri 08-Feb-13 17:00:36

I guess 'White' and 'lime' are part of a different set of books?

simpson England Fri 08-Feb-13 17:04:18

White is stage 10 and lime is stage 11 ORT.

DD has been put onto lime today.

mrz Fri 08-Feb-13 17:05:25

No white and lime are just later stages Wigan

maizieD Fri 08-Feb-13 18:20:33

I don't see how you can use the ORT Read at Home books for a phonics taught child. They don't agree with any order of introduction of 'sounds' and the early ones are full of graphemes which the child can't possibly have encountered. If they do contain graphemes the children have been taught they are probably only in one or two words in the entire story, so don't offer any useful practice in attaining automaticity in decoding them. They are written specifically for memorising words as 'wholes'.

This is not meant to be judgemental of the OP; it's just an observation...

WiganKebab Fri 08-Feb-13 18:29:45

Glad you said that Maize, I was finding in confusing. The are very fee words that can be blended. Lots are tricky words. DD can blend til the cows come home and seems completely bored with the 1+ books, so perhaps knows all those words too.

So lime in reception is pretty good ay?

mrz Fri 08-Feb-13 18:36:39

I hadn't realised you meant ORT books shock

givemeaclue Fri 08-Feb-13 18:38:30

Lime 1(1) in reception is way above norm. They Are aiming for yellow (3) by end of year

mrz Fri 08-Feb-13 18:44:44

Only if they are limiting a child's progress givemeaclue ..hmm

givemeaclue Fri 08-Feb-13 18:45:03

Lime (11) that should have said

givemeaclue Fri 08-Feb-13 19:37:17

How is it limiting to say that they want every child to be a minimum of level 3 by end of year? Many are already past that, they don't seem limited by it

mrz Fri 08-Feb-13 19:39:30

If your aim is yellow it's a pretty low target

plainjayne123 Fri 08-Feb-13 22:21:32

''gabsid I've taught children who were complete non readers when they started school (don't know any sounds at all) and have moved to gold/white by this stage in the reception year''
Is this for real??? I don't know any children who read when starting reception, I am extremely academic, as are a lot of my friends, I dong know what planet these reading children are from, and it shouldn't be described as normal. My dd is top of her class in reading and writing but she didn't read until reception and she or I never knew what level she was on at school. ORT I thought was something that had been scrapped years ago. Isn't phonics the thing now.

Flo42 Fri 08-Feb-13 23:34:30

I think there's a reason why the teachers don't highlight which level children are at as, after reading all these posts it could quite easily make some Mums feel panicked that their little ones are not doing enough.

The best advice I can give is that as long as your child DS/D is happy and progressing at THEIR rate then it really doesn't matter.

Ultimately they'll all be fluent readers by the end of Y2 or thereabouts.

I worried about my DS too in YR but he's plodded along and is doing v well Y1-at his level.

As long as they're happy and they like going into school then I wouldn't worry beyond that. Would have added a smiley but I'm a technophobe and new to the site. Xxxx

TheNoodlesIncident Fri 08-Feb-13 23:39:04

plainjayne my ds started reading when he was two, although he preferred to play around and only looked at books occasionally. He had a reading diary in F1 (nursery) and now is reading Ginn level 5 in reception (I don't know how that compares to ORT/coloured bands).

He was four in August, so one of the youngest in his class.

It isn't that unusual.

"I dong know what planet these reading children are from, and it shouldn't be described as normal." How tactful. You sound a peach. I'm sure some of the previous posters' dc are actually normal. My ds has autism, so you would possibly class him as "not normal". angry

PoppyWearer Fri 08-Feb-13 23:43:08

Has anyone yet made the point that in Norway the children don't start school/reading until 6/7yo <points at Norway above UK in literacy tables>.

Peace and love wink

DC1 is 1+.

learnandsay Fri 08-Feb-13 23:48:43

Yah, we get the Norway/Scandinavian thing all the time. But if their languages are more regular than ours is the point is meh.

learnandsay Sat 09-Feb-13 00:05:36

Is this for real??? I don't know any children who read when starting reception

The problem isn't that children can't read in nursery. The problem occurs when a teacher is so surprised by a reading Reception child that she treats it like a foreign object rather than a child and a person.

simpson England Sat 09-Feb-13 00:06:24

DD could read at a basic level before she started nursery, self taught.

She is all consumingly obsessed with reading and so because she reads so much (to me or to herself) she is bound to extend herself iyswim.

DS at this stage in reception had not even had a reading book and struggled with reading when he got one but still finished the reception year on stage 5.

mrz Sat 09-Feb-13 07:44:39

Yes plainjayne123 it's for real some children just take off with reading once they start. Everything suddenly clicks into place for them and they devour book after book. Other children take longer, which is why I said children in reception can be anywhere from pink to gold/white book bands.

mrz Sat 09-Feb-13 07:46:41

These children are from an area designated as being one of social and economic deprivation. That's what planet they are from!

mrz Sat 09-Feb-13 07:55:01

IPoppyWearer I don't think you should confuse school starting age with starting to read.

Interestingly the UKs education system is ranked 6th in the World while Norway doesn't make the top twenty wink

Loughrigg Sat 09-Feb-13 08:19:28

DS was level 5 in nursery. Now he is in reception he is on level 4 at school, and Captain Underpants at home hmm grin

learnandsay Sat 09-Feb-13 08:30:24

My daughter was reading Dr Seuss at home happily in nursery and started on books with no words in at school. She found those hard to read.

lljkk Netherlands Sat 09-Feb-13 08:36:03

No idea. This is about the right reading level. This is too hard, but he can read some of it with effort. So maybe stage 1+? Seems about the same as older siblings at same age, tho' maybe DD was reading a bit better.

Flo42 Sat 09-Feb-13 08:37:48

Again, I go back to my point - if your DC loves reading and flies through books then great. If they want to learn slowly and steadily then also great. I'm reading a lot of these messages and to be honest it just sounds like people showing off - not particularly helpful to the original question.

I think your DC is doing absolutely fine and within the next 2 years they will all be at around the same level.

Think of it this way-would you rather your DS was being pushed into being a fluent reader by the age of 4 or would you rather they spent those hours playing?

learnandsay Sat 09-Feb-13 08:44:55

To be honest, if my daughter could read Dr Seuss and Winnie the Pooh in school I rather she did that than stare at books with no words in.

simpson England Sat 09-Feb-13 08:48:48

Flo - who is saying their DC is being pushed into being a fluent reader?? hmm

I'm not sure where ds is because we did a different reading scheme at home and he finds school reading books aversive.

So we ignore them largely, and quickly read them the night before they go back. Often he struggels with about a third of them, but he's on more complex stuff of his own choosing at home. He prefers non-fiction which never seem to come home from school.

hels71 Sat 09-Feb-13 08:52:50

My DD is on purple books from school, however from things other mums have said most are reading ORT 1+/2.

DS is in year 1 btw. DD is in nursery and can read. I just found out yesterday and have yet to figure out HOW!

learnandsay Sat 09-Feb-13 08:56:03

The people in nursery have probably been letting her have access to words. You can't get the staff these days. It's terrible.

lol, - she does a lot of phonics afaics, but her teacher told ME to teach her how to write her name, so I don't think they're doing much academic stuff yet. She's always coming home and saying things like 'Today we learned about teamwork' grin

Flo42 Sat 09-Feb-13 08:59:53

What I'm saying is. If children love reading and read no problem then that's great. If they have to learn slowly and progressively then that should also be great and they shouldn't be pushed into it.

I just feel that some of the comments on here might make mums feel that they need to push their child into reading at a greater pace then their DC wants to go at. When the first statement from Wigan was that their DC is on stage 1 it's not going to make them feel great when there are mums saying their DC is reading Shakespeare (or thereabouts!!).

My point really is every one WILL learn, some slower than others, and it's all 'normal' and right for that child.

Lots of love -still don't know how to add a smiley! X

learnandsay Sat 09-Feb-13 09:03:32

No one seems to be minding posters saying children started Reception on level 278. If you post asking for levels you'll get levels.

simpson England Sat 09-Feb-13 09:21:30

Well having had 2 kids on very different levels in reception I totally agree about there is no "average" level iyswim.

Starlight - I still don't know how DD learnt either and even worse I don't remember realising she could!! blush

Cat98 Sat 09-Feb-13 09:54:02

Ds is reading green band generally, this is about the right level for him. The school 'read at home' books he has are ort level 5, does this generally correspond with green band? I'm not sure.

PoppyWearer Sat 09-Feb-13 10:03:50

Ok, forget the whole Norway thing. I happen to know some Scandi-mums and it's been a topic of conversation in the playground.

What I was trying to say is: it doesn't matter!

I speak as someone who couldn't read at 4yo, yet somehow in spite of that "struggled" my way through the state system to a decent Oxbridge degree.

The love of books is what matters. Please everyone, stop with the competitiveness!

MrsMelons Sat 09-Feb-13 10:06:18

I didn't know DS1 could read, he knew his basic phonic sounds at about 22 months (self taught with a kids laptop when he broke his leg and could get around). When he was at pre-school at 3 yrs he could just blend the sounds easily and came home one day and told me he could read, he just could and we never pushed him.

Its not rocket science and is not major deal, he just loves it and it just clicks for some very early. At nearly 7 he is still ahead of his peers but within a couple of years I can't see this being the case as it is clear the gap is much smaller now.

I think it is fairly normal (as in not genius or unbelievable) but I do know from YR teachers that they often get a class of 30 with no readers at all and can go years without having a reader when they start (small schools with 1 or 2 form intake).

We would never push DS2 (4) who is just coming along as expected for his age, we are proud of him for what he does of course.

MrsMelons Sat 09-Feb-13 10:07:50
mrz Sat 09-Feb-13 12:31:06

Sorry Flo but not everyone will learn to read eventually sad

learnandsay Sat 09-Feb-13 12:40:52

It's not really competition. The Olympics is competition. This is mumsnet.

MrsMelons Sat 09-Feb-13 12:49:36

I don't think this thread has been competitive in the slightest for a change

I have only know 1 adult who could not read properly, he was at school till he was 16 and no one actually noticed. He learnt to read properly at 26 years old in prison, also he could only write/recognise capital letters until that point. It is scary that a school/parents could not notice so I do believe it is so important to pay attention to how your child is progressing as the school will not always be doing the best for your child, most schools/teachers will of course but not in all cases.

DH is dyslexic and was never diagnosed in school, his parents just listened to the teachers when they said he didn't like literacy and no one pushed the issue.

learnandsay Sat 09-Feb-13 12:59:18

My sister couldn't read at the end of primary school Nobody had noticed. I had this conversation on mumsnet a while ago and somebody pointed out that children/adults who can't read become brilliant at inventing strategies to disguise the fact that they can't read.

MrsMelons Sat 09-Feb-13 13:05:56

Definitely Learnandsay,its exactly how my friend went unnoticed. I am not convinced its that hard to spot though given the various tests etc that have been introduced now.

Fleecy Sat 09-Feb-13 13:39:42

Can't remember what level DD1 was on this time last year but she could read pretty fluently (was reading Enid Blyton, Roald Dahl etc), despite not being able to read at all before school. She just 'got it' really quickly.

DS is currently on 1+ and it seems about right for him.

maizieD Sat 09-Feb-13 14:36:30

I am not convinced its that hard to spot though given the various tests etc that have been introduced now.

Like the Y1 Phonics Check wink

MrsMelons Sat 09-Feb-13 15:53:06

I am assuming you are being sarcastic about the phonics check Maisie grin

I wasn't thinking of the phonics check actually as there are other ways teachers check childrens progress that are not structured tests aren't there. Not that I diasgree with the phonics check in general as it can of course pick up some issues but I think it has its limitations of course as with any other test and should be used as an additional tool by good teachers. FWIW there was not 1 surprise in DSs year group with the phonics check.

MrsMelons Sat 09-Feb-13 15:53:54

I don't think 'tests' was the best wording - I meant more progress checks and the need to report on progress etc.

mrz Sat 09-Feb-13 16:02:16

I think maizieD was pointing out the Y1 phonics check is a very effective way to pick up possible reading difficulties especially among those "good readers" who perhaps aren't as good as the teacher believed.

lljkk Netherlands Sat 09-Feb-13 16:02:23

I think I've spoken to maybe 2 (max) mums ever IRL whose DC could read before they started reception.
Whereas on MN it always seems like 50%+ of parents have DC that read so early.

Does that mean MN is 25-times removed from Real World? I increasingly believe so.

survivingwinter Sat 09-Feb-13 17:16:18

lljkk grin

I'm still shock that it is normal to have a child on white band in reception.

I've read with reception children for a few years now and haven't yet come across a child reading at that level. The vast majority leave reception on either red or yellow and this is a school in a fairly affluent area!

mrz Sat 09-Feb-13 17:22:48

It's normal to have children spread across a wide range of levels ...it isn't normal for the majority to be at the same point at the same time.

ThePathanKhansAmnesiac Sat 09-Feb-13 17:29:43

Black...--like her soul-- grin.

lljkk Netherlands Sat 09-Feb-13 19:47:30

I can't believe all you know offhand by heart what the colours mean, the little stickers on book binding edges. I have no idea (will admit to faint interest) which colour is 'higher' than another or whether my school even uses the same colour banding as so many MNers seem to have etched into their brains learnt to recognise. I think maybe a few times in the last 8 years I saw a chart showing the colours in their nonsensical order. I don't know if the chart is the same from one year to next. I struggle to remember to make sure DC even get the same colour sticker book each time, never mind remember what colour it is for later.

<<Contemplates slapping self for laid back California attitude & then gives up because I'm not that bothered>> wink

noisytoys Sat 09-Feb-13 19:59:44

The books all have the colour sticker printed on a banner all the way around and say ORT level... on them. That's how I know what level corresponds with what colour DD gets smile

simpson England Sat 09-Feb-13 20:01:13

I read with yrs 1 and 2 so that's how I know.

Although DD has had a few Australian books which have not been labelled.

plainjayne123 Sat 09-Feb-13 21:53:24

Lijkk - some sense for a change rather than mumsnet reading in the womb prodigies!

learnandsay Sat 09-Feb-13 21:58:14

plainj, I don't think you quite understand; if the parents study reading hard enough it lasts for several generations.

isthatallyouvegot Sat 09-Feb-13 22:31:02

Pretty sure my Ds was on ORT stage 6 in reception, then ended up back on stage 3 in yr 1 even though his reading was fine, still have no idea what happened there. confused he is in year 3 now and just finishing stage 7 due to him being put back.

maizieD Sat 09-Feb-13 23:01:12

I am assuming you are being sarcastic about the phonics check Maisie

Indeed not; I think the Phonics Check is a Good Thing. I was being ironic...

(apologies for not keeping up with the thread; I've been out..)

Cat98 Sun 10-Feb-13 10:09:38

I don't think you can 'push' a child to read. Well you could chain them to a table and make them do it until they can read war and peace, but I really don't think people do this irl... I know from my experience, when ds has had enough, he's had enough. You can encourage, provide books, listen to reading most days, but why is this seen as a bad thing? I don't understand this mindset. Sorry.

mrz Sun 10-Feb-13 10:20:58

I think it is possible to drill a child so they memorise whole tests but that isn't really reading although some people seem to believe it is.

mrz Sun 10-Feb-13 10:21:29

texts not tests !!!

learnandsay Sun 10-Feb-13 10:23:54

I think I know what push reading means. I think it means go on about not only doing it constantly but doing it above the child's ability, a bit like the mother who tried to force her son to learn the Koran and then lost the plot when he didn't seem to be learning it fast enough.

Cat98 Sun 10-Feb-13 10:24:32

Yes mrz, and as you say that's not reading. I really don't think I could have pushed ds into actually reading - he got it when he got it. He could perhaps have been later if I hadn't practised with him but this wouldn't have been pushing him because he liked books, if he was saying 'no stop' there isn't really a choice but to stop as he wouldn't have absorbed it anyway!

MrsMelons Sun 10-Feb-13 10:25:12

Sorry Maizie with the wink added to it I thought you were suggesting it wasn't a good thing - my apologies!

Mrz If the phonics check had existed years ago it may have been spotted that my friend could not read and I actually believe the outcomes for him would have been so so different. I am glad those sorts of checks are in place but I have read lots of negtives on MN about it so maybe I am a bit naive about it?!

Lljkk I think its the children that actually know the reading band and tell the parents. My DS definitely did. The same way as the children seem to know the level of group they are in for subjects in general.

My DS (6) and his friend were telling me what groups they were in the other day and whether it was top group, 2nd, third etc. I wasn't sure if it was actually correct or not but when I was at the school for a family session the groups were only the wall not very cleverley disguised by using shapes. Circle being the lowest going up to a hexagon being the highest.

The DCs think they are just coloured groups but of course they are based on the number of sides. Its daft as the children still know which is the top and bottom groups. I wonder if it is for the parents benefit grin

Cat98 Sun 10-Feb-13 10:25:43

The books ds had from school were a little hard to start with, I couldn't have pushed him to do it - to want to do it he needed books at the right level. Maybe it's just my ds!

lockets Sun 10-Feb-13 10:28:02

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

mrz Sun 10-Feb-13 10:28:58

I've taught children who were drilled so that they were ahead of the class Cat ... usually the child tells you mummy has been teaching me the books at home or they come unstuck if not given the book mummy had taught them

learnandsay Sun 10-Feb-13 10:29:42

Lots of things aren't "really reading", depending on what your particular view of really reading is. But that doesn't mean that they're not helpful.

Cat98 Sun 10-Feb-13 10:30:24

Wow mrz that's just bizarre and counter intuitive - must make your job so much harder - you might think a kid can read and then realise they actually can't very well!

learnandsay Sun 10-Feb-13 10:32:24

Oh, I see what you mean, drilled to fool the teacher. No, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about simply being very familiar with some favourite books.

Cat98 Sun 10-Feb-13 10:34:02

Oh yes l and s - we had this with the gruffalo. Perfectly normal and possibly helpful. But I don't think mrz means that!

learnandsay Sun 10-Feb-13 10:38:30

Or maybe neither helpful nor unhelpful, who can tell? But certainly nothing particularly wrong with it. But what seems to be happening now is that my daughter is whizzing over the familiar bits of text and sounding out the more challenging words. According to a lot of people's definitions this wouldn't actually be called reading, as such. In some ways it isn't. (And in some ways of course it is.) But it's certainly a reading-like activity. And these books bear no relation to her school books.

TheSecondComing Sun 10-Feb-13 10:43:12

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lljkk Netherlands Sun 10-Feb-13 10:43:34

Problem is the kids get it so wrong about their relative ability and even their sticker colour. DSs have repeatedly shown themselves clueless about their relative ability to other kids. DS-yr5 announced he wasn't in top sets after all regardless of what teachers told me about his high attainment, because he didn't get Mrs. X for teacher and he reckoned she always got the cleverest children.

yr4-DS says he is on top table for English but I know he's only very average at literacy. I suspect he was put on that table to minimise how much he distracts others & is distracted by them. Either that or his is a class of the turnip-brains.

mrz Sun 10-Feb-13 10:43:58

It makes for confrontation Cat ...parents claiming the child reads well and the teacher saying sorry but they are really struggling ...and child caught in the middle.

learnandsay Sun 10-Feb-13 11:02:37

The reason for the confrontation in that case is because both the parents and the teacher are right. They've just got two different definitions of reading.

The parent is saying she can read this book well. And she can.

The teacher is saying, yes. But she can't read these others.

Instead of the teacher just calling the parent wrong and carrying on merrily what she should do is literally show the parent what her definition of reading and struggling means. Because if she doesn't then the misunderstanding is set to continue.

mrz Sun 10-Feb-13 11:10:28

No the child can not read the book at all they are reciting the words. Turn two pages and the child will carry on reciting

learnandsay Sun 10-Feb-13 11:16:22

Of course, if the child doesn't recognise the words at all then she's not reading the book. That's not what I'm saying. My daughter can sound out all the words in books substantially longer and more complicated than her school books. So, she can read them without help. But that doesn't mean that I want to march into her school and say that she should now have adult Ladybird books as readers. I know that the only reason she can read these particular books is because she's very familiar with them. But if you pick lines out at random, or phrases at random she'll read them perfectly for you.

learnandsay Sun 10-Feb-13 11:33:47

For children who get substantial amounts of reading material at home I'm unsure of how useful school reading books actually are. I don't think my child's school books are extending her reading at all. We've got an instruction manual on child development at home which is beautifully illustrated and she's purloined it. And today she was sounding out the phrase "additional information."

GW297 Sun 10-Feb-13 11:50:51

I like children to get to at least blue level by the end of YR but children generally go up to Year 1 on every level from pink to lime! Continue to read daily at home and I agree that a wide variety of books is important.

WiganKebab Sun 10-Feb-13 21:22:21

Wow.....I'm off to read all these replies!

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