3+ 4+ 5+ 7+ support thread 2013

(317 Posts)
mumteacher Wed 19-Dec-12 22:26:41

I have had a number of messages asking if I have any spaces in my classes. I'm really sorry but I have been at full capacity for some time now.

However, I do appreciate that this is a very stressful time of year for parents who have children sitting these private school assessments in January 2013. So, I'm hoping that by setting up this support group thread I can help by answering some questions you have about these assessments.

Hopefully this thread will also contain some useful insight from the experiences of parents who have already been through the process.

Tutoringmummy Thu 20-Dec-12 11:23:12

shock

I don't understand this post. Are you advertising your tutoring business in a round about way?

givemeaclue Thu 20-Dec-12 13:44:32

Tutor for 3 year old?

mumteacher Thu 20-Dec-12 14:31:35

I'm at full capacity and almost full for next year too. So no not advertising anything. Just wanting to help those that need/want it. I can't answer all my PM and since many ask similar questions I thought a thread like this might be useful.

Eg- my DD is sitting 4+ at x,y,z school what is the best thing(s) for me to do with her over the next 3 weeks?

Etc...

This isn't a thread about questioning why people tutor young children, that is personal choice. Its comments like these that stop some mumsnet users from posting. They fear the attack they will come under should they mention tutoring so young. This is the other reason for this post.

Every parent has the right to do what they feel is right by their child, please don't jugde.

So, unless you can contribute positively to the main post please do not post.

Many thanks,

sh77 Thu 20-Dec-12 21:58:23

Will be following with great interest. My ds is too young but, if he has the ability, hoping to get him into a top London school. What kinds of things do you suggest I can do to help him (he is only 22 months)? Also, what type of child gets

sh77 Thu 20-Dec-12 22:01:09

Hit post too soon. Also, what type of child gets into the top schools? Can you give specific examples ?

slalomsuki Thu 20-Dec-12 22:04:59

Round us the assessments for these levels and higher are done in October and November depending on the age. Some parents have their offer letters already.

mumteacher Thu 20-Dec-12 23:45:04

Sh77 this is a great age when they(Chn) are into everything. They want to do it all. Whatever you do with your son make he enjoys it and so you're able to focus his attention on the activity for as long as possible, helping him build his concentration span. For example if your building different coloured towers and this time he sat and helped you build the towers for 1.0 minute. Then next time you bring this activity out again see if you can capture his attention for 1.30 minutes. Have at least one activity that requires him to sit with you in this way each day.

Sing lots of nursery rhymes, and read a variety of stories. Ask him what his favourite part of the story was and then tell him what your favourite part was and why.

Talk about things that are happening around him - it's getting colder, days are getting shorter, he may not of course understand a lot of it but the sounds of the new vocabulary will help with learning new words later.

JoanByers Fri 21-Dec-12 00:54:33

biscuit

sh77 Fri 21-Dec-12 01:03:13

Brilliant advice. Thank you. I hadn't thought of improving concentration in any one activity but see the benefit of it. Are you the tutor based in N London by any chance?

Tutoringmummy Fri 21-Dec-12 11:35:06

I still think this is covert advertising. Why else would anyone give so freely of their time, refer to " almost being full" and refer to PMs they had had asking for advice? Sorry OP you may be genuine, but I think you are over stepping the line a little.

mumteacher Fri 21-Dec-12 16:23:02

Over stepping a line? Why because I'm not charging for good advise you think I'm not genuine ?! Maybe I'm just not as money motivated as you!!

My classes for this year are full hence I have set up this thread so I can help those who I can't see and so far it's working.

If your name is true and you also tutor why can't you contribute to this discuss? Or won't you give your time so freely?!

Tutoring mummy I ask you again please do not post on this thread unless you can add something positive to the really discussion. It's a difficult time of year for parents going thorough the assessments and the comments you're making are not supportive (this is a support thread). (if you still feel I'm doing an injustice please report this thread to mumsnet and let it be their decision).

Tutoringmummy Fri 21-Dec-12 17:06:06

It's advice you want- not advise= incorrect spelling.

I find your post very aggressive and with great respect it is not your role to tell me or anyone to step off a thread.

I also find your comments very personal and rather offensive- such as " being money orientated" etc.

I will post as much as I like and what I like within the rules of MN forums.

Jigsawmadness Fri 21-Dec-12 17:50:49

Goodness me why do threads like these have to descend into bitchiness every time! Mumteacher is simply offering to share her expertise and, from someone who has benefited from her (free) advice in the past regarding my DD's 4+ assessment, I find your tone unhelpful, Tutoringmummy.

OliviaPeaceOnMumsnet (MNHQ) Fri 21-Dec-12 18:28:46

Evening all
We certainly don't want any kind of bitchiness
That said, there is no link here to any kind of advert for the OP's tutoring business - though we would stress that the internet being what it is, we obviously can't vouch for the qualifications etc of any posters on Mumsnet.
Thanks so much and Merry Christmas

Livingintheburbmum Fri 21-Dec-12 20:39:19

I'll take mumteacher up on the offer of advice. Thanks

any advice on how to make sure DS behaves without over emphasising /hyping up the assessment. Eg I don't want to say to him behave, do your best, don't snatch etc as he then knows that something else is going on . . He's doing 3+ at a north London school

Any other tips?

thanks :-)

mumteacher Fri 21-Dec-12 21:32:35

Livingintheburbmum behaviour is always tricky in that like you say you don't want to make the assessments a bigger deal than needs to be but you do want your child to behave and do his best.

The 3+ assessment at north London schools will look for a child who follows instructions well, is social and shares.

Instructions- can you please get that blue pencil from the pen pot and put it on my desk ? If a child follows the instructions that's great. Some children will say no and carry on playing with whatever they're playing with. Some children will pretend they haven't heard the question.

Livingintheburbmum I have one word for you - bribe ;) (I'm sure someone will be along soon enough gunning that I said that)!

You have one chance at securing a place and it's not the end of the world if you say to your son the morning of "if you do some great listening to the teachers and do what the teachers ask you, you can have this new teddy/lollly pop/ whatever when you come back out."

With my DD I had to use lollipops - Worked a treat.

Livingintheburbmum Fri 21-Dec-12 21:50:17

Thanks mumteacher. That's great advice. May well have to get the chocolate buttons out.

My DS is confident mainly but they are so little he could have an off day, not concentrate etc. and the school is so oversubscribed I wonder whether they can just take the ones that happen to be having a good day, slept well etc or whether they really can see the potential. I guess they have to make the selection some how.

One technical q - will any reading or writing be expected at 3+ as opposed to 4+? My DS can recognise letters etc but isn't yet up to writing his name.

mumteacher Fri 21-Dec-12 22:36:44

No writing words maybe asked to recognise his name and a colouring activity.

Seaswan Fri 28-Dec-12 21:55:31

Hello Mumteacher,

My daughter is sitting 4+ assessments in a week's time and I've done my best to prepare her based on what I've seen on previous threads...cutting, jigsaw puzzles (she did a 100 piece puzzle on her own today), recognition and writing of her own name, drawing skills etc. she can also read simple sentences and reader books and sounds out confidently. She is articulate and her nursery teacher tells me that her language skills are quite advanced for her age - she was born in March 2009. She counts confidently upto 100 and recognises the numbers too. I'm not overly worried about her academic ability as I think hopefully she will be alright there...but she can be a bit hesitant in new situations socially and tends to observe new people or environments before joining in...being an only child I feel she is a little less confident socially and would like your opinion on how much this may impact her chances of getting in...the first round is all about interacting in a group so would she fare well? Any last minute tips or advice? Thanks from a stressed mum x

Seaswan Fri 28-Dec-12 22:01:05

Forgot to mention: my daughter's sitting at Habs, NLCS, St. Helen's...

mumteacher Sat 29-Dec-12 22:27:53

Seaswan your right in that round 1 at the schools you've mentioned do look for girls who interact with each other as the assessment is group based. More importantly it will look at how the girls interact with the assessor/teachers. They will be looking for leadership qualities, for example the activity might be to sing a nursery rhyme and do the actions to it. The teachers may be looking for the girls who sing the loudest and who do the actions which the others girls in the group follow.

Crying and detachment from the parent is also taken into consideration. Round 1 your DD gets up-set and cries it's ok but if it happens again in round 2 it will be noted.

However, they are looking for a mixture of personalities. The main focus is going to be academic ability which, from what you say is fine.

My own DD cried in round 2 and the headmistress of one of the schools you mentioned suggested maybe their school wasn't appropriate for my child.

Lastly please try not to stress- your DD will sense it x

Good luck

Leafmould Sat 29-Dec-12 22:52:40

Can you fill in a little of the context to this thread please? Is it that dc have to pass an assessment to get into a private school? Do they then get a bursary, or do they have to be selected just for their parents to have the privilege of paying the fees? I am just asking because I am genuinely ignorant about anything to do with private school.

Thanks

traintracks Sun 30-Dec-12 03:43:43

I know mumteacher IRL and can vouch that she has more business than she can handle and isn't touting for more! I believe that she has a daughter sitting these assessments this year so it is actually extraordinarily generous of her to be offering tips to children who may be in direct competition with her own.

Leafmould, this is just for the privilege of sending your child to the school and paying the fees! Private schools in N London can be oversubscribed by 5-10:1

motherto4 Mon 31-Dec-12 00:49:29

I have 3 questions if that's OK.

1. My DD got a school report at the end of year 4 and got 'A's for English and Maths and 'B' for everything else. What do these grades mean? I just had a baby at that time so didn't bother to ask. I work at a school and understand levels as in 3a, 3b but DD already achieved these grades in year 3; in a different school might I add. I feel that if I ask the school they may think me a pushy parent!

2. At first I decided against preparing her for the 11*, would have had to do it my self as cannot afford private tuition. This is because the grammar school is in another town and, additionally, I don't think my DD would have suited the environment. We have a local private prep and grammar school which offer 50% scholarship to pupils who pass the 11*. But even with the scholarship I cannot afford to send her there. However now the local grammar may become a state funded school - the intake will be for all local pupils though they will look into school reports. My question, after all that is, is there any logic in preparing her for the 11*?

3. If I think my child is able, in one subject, to achieve a level 6 at the end of the key stage 2 SATs then is it worth pursuing with the school, without sounding too pushy!!

mumteacher Mon 31-Dec-12 10:47:56

Motherto4 different schools use different ways to grade and assess children. It is a little usually to be graded A B C in year 4 but nit unheard of. I would most definitely ask the school if you have concerns. To me from what you've said looks like your DD is doing very well overall. If this was my child I would look at science and ict and see why she didn't achieve higher in these two subjects too. Your DD seems like a bright girl.

If there is no test/assessment for the local state grammar school then it does seem pointless to prepare. I would check with the school if they have a selection process at all before making a decision not to prepare.

There is nothing wrong with wanting to understand how your child is doing at school. Speak to the class teacher she may want you to make an appointment so can discuss your questions properly. Please don't think this means you're a pushy parent. Just one that wants the best for her children. As a teacher I think it's really important to get parents on board.

motherto4 Tue 01-Jan-13 13:30:08

Thank you mumteacher for your advice. Your message was on page 2 so didn't see it initially.

Will definitely make an appointment with the teacher and discuss how she's progressing this year. Will also look thoroughly into school admissions process etc.

rathlin Tue 01-Jan-13 21:18:28

Hi there, my DS will be taking part in a 4+ assessment for Sep 13 entry to St Helen's College in NW London next month.

I've no idea what to expect and was wondering if you knew or if you could offer any general advice on these assessments.

mumteacher Wed 02-Jan-13 23:31:36

Ratlin this a lovely school head by a husband and wife if I remember correctly. The biggest obstacle is number of spaces as many of the children from nursery go on through to their reception class.

Social skills and interaction with other children will be important.

meandthree Thu 03-Jan-13 13:39:02

Hi mumteacher. My daughter is doing the 4+ assessment. She is quite a confident child but can interrupt with questions and comments while the teacher is talking. Will this be an issue and if so, what can you recommend to stop her doing this and wait until after the story has been read?

smallbluestar Thu 03-Jan-13 17:12:51

My daughter just completed her first round assessment at a selective north london girls school.

She wasn't asked to draw, write her name, count, read or anything - she says she played with the princess stuff, was a doctor and pretended one of the teachers was a patient, and did some sequencing.

Can anyone tell me what will come up if she is invited back to the seocnd round, which is one to one?

mumteacher Thu 03-Jan-13 19:31:26

Smallbluestar which school?

Meandthree it depends on a number of things. What's your DD DOB? If she interrupts with questions that are related to what the teacher is talking about then it should be fine. If the questions are not related depending on which school, it may look as if your DD isn't concerntrating on what the teacher is saying.

When you're speaking to your DD

mumteacher Thu 03-Jan-13 20:45:06

Sorry posted too early.

When giving your DD instructions and she interrupts you, bend down so you're eye-to-eye, facing her and ask her "what did mummy just ask you to do?" if she repeats the instruction follow with, "no talking, no discussion please just go and ....(get your socks) and then we can talk about (whatever she interrupted you with)." then lose eye contact.

When she comes back with her socks make sure you have the conversation about what she wanted.

This sometimes happens with my youngest who feels she needs to interrupt everyone and shout to have a chance at getting her say and be heard.

Clothqueen Thu 03-Jan-13 22:47:38

Hi mum teacher thanks so much for starting this thread really helpful at a nerve wracking time! My DS is doing 7+ at two of the London day preps which seem almost impossible to get into! He is a lively boy and is very interested in many things but its proving a bit challenging to crack the "story in 20mins" they have to do with 3 paras etc etc he likes to stare into space for half the time" just thinking!" and I would be very interested in your tips on story writing for seven year old boys with just over a week to go. He can do it but only if I am nagging in the corner and as I keep telling him, I won't be there to do this on the day....aargh ! He tells me the girls in his class just get writing but when he does write its great stuff. Very frustrating as I think he will run out of time on the day. Can you help?

meandthree Fri 04-Jan-13 11:50:38

Thanks mumteacher. My daughter is August-born so will be one of the youngest in her class. You mentioned that it depends on the schools - which schools will it matter more for? She is doing the north london / northwood schools .

The interuptions are usually to do with something in the story initially but she will slowley go off at a tangent e.g if we were reading the story about the Hungry Caterpillar and it mentions he eats a pear, she will start to say that she likes pears but she can't eat too many because she will get sick. I am not sure how much of the story she has heard as she appears to go off in her own thoughts. Any suggestions?

mumteacher Fri 04-Jan-13 12:18:48

Meandthree the example you gave about pears(she interrupts with something related to the topic) and the fact that she is August born means she should be given some 'grace' at both these schools.

Interrupting a story with relate question/discussion is fine. Interrupting an instruction and then not being able to follow the instruction for not having heard it is something different and may not sit well at north London.

Assuming north London is next week you don't have much time (don't panic) explain to your daughter the difference between a story/discussion and instructions. Discussion when it's ok to interrupt and (instruction) when it's not- she listens and follows no talking.

Then practice this in a game format. So you start the discussion about ....weather for example and don't ask her questions just talk and see if she interrupts. If she does get excited, clap your hands and say yes well done, this is a discussion so you can interrupt as long as it's something to do with the topic. Next give her an instruction to follow -DD I want you to go into the kitchen jump up and down three times. If she does it straight away without chatting about give her the biggest hug! If she questions the instruction like how many time do I jump mummy? That's fine (answer with one word keeping conversation to a minimum) but if she asks/says something irrelevant explain again what the difference between instructions and discussions. And try it again.

Once she gets the idea, give her the chance to 'test' you-so her turn to give you instruction or read you a story. Do this a few times and sometimes you make a mistake of interrupting her instructions she gives you, so giving her the opportunity to correct you, hence consolidating the learning.

oliverreed Fri 04-Jan-13 20:05:38

hello mumteacher, can you give any advice on 7+ exams for westminster under (colet court?). ds has been working through bond 7-8 books in maths and english getting 90% +. Not a quick writer though. He is a good 'all rounder', sporty and grade 1 in first instrument. Thanks

mumteacher Fri 04-Jan-13 21:49:02

Clothqueen try http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=story+hill&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safari#biv=i|1;d|CyWsLJyM1gLshM:

(or plug in story hill into google)

Get your son to write 5 things into the story hill
1) time of day ,characters
2) introduce the problem - car wouldn't start, lost birthday present...
3) expand problem - dad tried the car many times but the car refused to pass attention ignoring all my dad's efforts
4) how problem is solved
5) ending working car takes you to the beach at last perfect day out had by all.

Break down beginning middle and end into how many kinds to write
B- 8-10 lines
M- 8-10
E-5-7 lines

Give him 3/4 sentence starters - in the cold frosty winter morning..., suddenly..., in the blink of an eye...,to my amazement ..., meanwhile..,

Give him 3/4 the night was as black as coal, the room was as pretty as a picture...

And 4 wow words peculiar, dangerously,....

And take away words such as then, but, replacing with meanwhile, excitedly,slowly, out of nowhere...

Arm him with all this and work through a story together. Give him a printed story hill and set a buzzer on your phone for 2mins (thinking time) he can fill in as much of the hill as he can with words or simple sentences, after this he must start writing his story.

Set timer for 5 minutes next. After this time tell him he can't continue with the beginning and must move on to the middle. Remind him it's only 8 lines.
5 mins middle 5 minutes ending.

He then has 2 minutes to read, fill gaps etc...

If you practice this buzzer system to begin with he may not finish the beginning part of the story but he will realise time constraints and get quicker.
It does work!

If you're going to use the buzzer system make sure you go through all of the above with him before. Let him have the words, sentence starters in front of him. That way he can get use to using them and more importantly remembering them.

Clothqueen Fri 04-Jan-13 23:42:00

Thanks so much mum teacher this is excellent, so helpful.

mumteacher Sat 05-Jan-13 16:03:39

Oliverreed bond books are a good tool but your son will most definitely need to do the next age band. 7-8 may not be enough.

if he's slow with story writing use my response to clothqueen.

SuiGeneris Sat 05-Jan-13 16:13:20

Marking my place as I have a nearly 3-year-old who will be sitting SW London exams in October.

OP: what would you suggest by way of preparation, please?

How do they take to bilingual children, please?

mumteacher Sat 05-Jan-13 19:23:43

SW London schools can very a far bit, so you're going to have tell which schools.

At most of these highly competitive schools the assessments are carried out in English. So as wonderful as it is that you have a bilingual child, he/she will need to have a firm handle on English in order to follow 2/3 tier instructions and be able to have discussions on certain topics.

mumteacher Sun 06-Jan-13 23:56:15

Suigeneris I realised I didn't answer both your questions sorry.

Recognition of own name
Colours
Shapes
Social skills
Numbers to 5

mumteacher Wed 09-Jan-13 00:26:04

Round 1 assessments are underway. Hope it's going well.

Good luck x

Seaswan Wed 09-Jan-13 15:00:03

Thanks, Mumteacher, for your earlier advice! Last first round assessment tomorrow...praying for the best! We have been invited for interview to Northwood College, apparently they interview the parents and daughter separately in the second round. Not sure what to expect...help!!! Thanks x

iseenodust Thu 10-Jan-13 12:51:46

The answer to clothqueen is just what I needed. thanks.

meandthree Thu 10-Jan-13 13:55:13

Does anyone know when to expect to hear from Habs or NLCS after first round interviews and when to give up hope? I have seen from previous threads that they can be quite slow in getting back with a 'no'. I am a bundle of nerves!!

traintracks Thu 10-Jan-13 14:00:19

NLCS say in their letter not to phone unless you haven't heard by Tuesday. Habs were a bit vague when I asked.

meandthree Thu 10-Jan-13 17:31:36

Do you know if they call you or post a letter?

matchsticksbynoon Thu 10-Jan-13 19:26:13

mumteacher, are you able to give advice on 9+ assessment? DS is being assessed next week and my main query is regarding bringing in a piece of work to show off. What piece of work? Is numeracy ok or must it be literacy/humanities based?

He is also a massive reader, already achieving 4b in comprehension though not yet 8 1/2. He read 1-2 books a day over Christmas. How do I choose a suitable book for him to bring in and discuss? He has read almost everything suitable for his age including all Roald Dahls, all Harry Potters, most Alex Rider, the Hobbit, all Narnia series, all Diary of a wimpy kid, lots of Beast Quest, all How to train your dragon, all Scary Street, Tom's midnight garden etc. Currently reading the Iron woman and Mortal engines.

What kind of questions will they ask regarding the book he brings in?

I am a bit worried as he should have no problem in getting in to this selective school but we are applying for a bursary which is very competitive so he needs to really show his best side. The assessments take place over several days and time is spent with the current class.

Also, how well are they expected to write? I have always been told that his ideas are amazing but the stories lack structure (I totally agree). How can I practice this in one weekend?

I haven't pushed him much before as he is doing remarkably well, being late August born, and he doesn't want to do work with me - until we start and he actually enjoys it. He works hard at school though.

Hugely grateful for any help from any source.

Primafacie Thu 10-Jan-13 20:17:26

please can I sit here quietly and get some hand holding? we are going through the 4+ assessment in SW London right now. DD has already got a place at two very good schools, but we are still going through a few more/waiting to hear from our favourite schools in the next few weeks. DD has loved all her assessments - we just call them "special playgroups" grin - but I am feeling stressed about upcoming results and DH annoyingly "doesn't want to be sucked into it", after obsessing over her education for the last two years, and sucking ME into it!

I know we will be fine whatever happens, I just want the best possible outcome for DD.

mumteacher Thu 10-Jan-13 20:20:49

Meandthree Habs in the past have only wrote back to those they invite back to round2. Horrible way to do I think, was hoping it would've have been one of the things the head changed but no!

Traintracks is right in that Nlcs usually post letters out this Friday so you should receive letter Saturday or Monday depending on your postal service over the weekend.

mumteacher Thu 10-Jan-13 21:03:34

Matchstickbynoon take anything that shows your Ds understands numbers/ maths but also the concept/ how he got to the right answer - which is more important than the answer.

Eg (simply) in one of the 4+ assessments this year a girl was asked to place as many plastic figures as she wanted on a bus. She then had to count how many people were on the bus and choice the right number from a selection of flash cards. She was then asked if she knew 1 more and 1 less from this number. (important bit) she was then asked how she knew the answer.

They were looking for the child to say because 5 is less then 6 or that 5 is before 6 in the number line, 5 is smaller than 6 etc.

Books take in a book that is for 10-11 year olds to show he reads well. He must show he understand the main story and sub-story well. How each character feels at different times in the story. If the author uses weather to reflect mood. Does the author write in a certain way?

Spending time in the class is the social part does he fit in with the children already in that class. It will be expected that he makes some friends introduces himself to those on his table chats to them at break time joins in their games.

Story structure you can't teach in a weekend and to honest I wouldn't for fear of confusing him right before the assessment. Just make sure the story flows - the characters aren't off fishing when it's pouring with rain!

mumteacher Thu 10-Jan-13 21:08:05

wine primafacie the waiting seems sooooo long! Really glad DD enjoyed the assessments that in itself is a great sign.

Would love to know how you get on keep us posted.

Figures crossed x

Primafacie Thu 10-Jan-13 21:16:46

Thanks mumteacher, I promise I will post a full update once it's all over! Including all the intelligence I've got on all the schools, which is of course totally dependent on DD's cooperation. Clearly some schools made her sign an NDA as she won't talk about what she did at all!

I agree I am really pleased DD is having a bomb, whoever says it's traumatic on children clearly hasn't been through it, she is so looking forward to every "special playgroup" by now grin

meandthree Thu 10-Jan-13 21:57:21

Primafacie my DD was the same. It seemed the more I probed, the more she clammed up. I wondered if they had been sworn to secrecy by the schools! The stress I feel at the moment has taken me back to when I was taking my own exams.

meandthree Thu 10-Jan-13 22:00:49

Thanks Mumteacher. How do Habs know someone's letter hasn't got lost in the post?! Assuming NLCS write to everyone at the same time regardless of the outcome?

Seaswan Fri 11-Jan-13 11:40:18

We are through to second round at St. Helen's! Anyone heard from Habs or NLCS yet?

maya1234 Fri 11-Jan-13 12:38:43

Habs do come back to people late, even if you do get 2nd round, don't get completely demoralised if you don't hear by the end of next week.

meandthree Fri 11-Jan-13 12:54:18

Thanks Maya1234. It's just that i heard someone has a second round interview tomorrow and given my DD was assessed on Monday I thought they would have let me know by now if she had got through?

Congrats Seaswan - do you know how many girls they are interviewing for 2nd round?

maya1234 Fri 11-Jan-13 13:20:55

St Helens at 4+ is really hard to get in to because the places are so limited....well done seaswan!

Seaswan Fri 11-Jan-13 13:23:10

Thanks, meandthree. No idea how many girls at St. Helen's second round - hopefully all goes well. About Habs, from their website it says that first round assessments went on till Wednesday. So hopefully it's still early days and we may hear by next Monday or Tuesday? DD had her assessment last Saturday and we were told we should be hearing from them in about 10 days time...they said we'd receive a letter in the post either way whether successful or not.

maya1234 Fri 11-Jan-13 13:24:22

Mum teacher - could you tell us all what we should prepare for, for second rounds at say

4+
5+
7+

I am finding the 5+ very different to the 4+ - what ways do they differ for second round?

Seaswan Fri 11-Jan-13 13:51:49

Thanks, maya1234! Didn't see your post earlier. It's not in the bag yet...let's hope the final outcome is a positive one!

Turniphead1 Fri 11-Jan-13 15:39:01

Hoping anyone who sat H*ghgate 7+ today was happy.

My DS didn't give much away - save that the comprehension was The Magic Pencil and the story was about having a pet dragon. He seemed content but who knows?

Not sure how many sat the test - but there seemed loads and loads of kids there. wink

mumteacher Fri 11-Jan-13 21:02:43

Maya1234 do you have a girl sitting 5+? it's unclear from your post.

Let me know what assessments your sitting and I'll try and help.

Really hoping your not going through the 4+ 5+ and 7+ with your children all in one year! (hats off to you if you are)

maya1234 Fri 11-Jan-13 21:58:18

Just a girl doing the 5+ Mumteacher any tips would really help

Had just thought 4+ / 7+ for others on what is proving to be a popular thread

mumteacher Sat 12-Jan-13 09:15:56

Maya1234 lets on concentrate on you.

5+ round 2 is one-to-one for the child with the deputy and a parent meeting with the head.

A lot of discussions on home life , school, friends will take place for your DD. There is a few things that come up each year which every girl will have to do. If they didn't do these in round 1 they will come up in round 2. It's easier if you can tell me what your DD has done in round 1 (pm me if your more comfortable).

mumteacher Sat 12-Jan-13 09:16:59

Too many 'on' in my first sentence sorry!

maya1234 Sat 12-Jan-13 09:48:34

Has anyone heard back from anywhere else today?

Seaswan Sat 12-Jan-13 12:46:21

We didn't make it at NLCS sad sad and disappointed sad oh well we gave it our best shot. Whatever happens is for the best. How are others faring?

maya1234 Sat 12-Jan-13 13:18:39

That's a shame seaswan I feel your pain - it's a lottery though I know this

mumteacher Sat 12-Jan-13 14:13:50

Ah that's a shame Seaswan I'm sorry. Concentrate on the positives you have got through to St Helens which is also a fantastic school.

6 of my girls received positive news from Nlcs today.

mumteacher Sat 12-Jan-13 14:17:18

Maya1234 I got your message thank you. I'm teaching all day in preparation for round 2 and so only have a couple minutes bt lessons. I will get back to - please don't think I'm ignoring you grin

Seaswan Sat 12-Jan-13 14:43:49

Thanks for the encouraging words, Mumteacher. Wonderful that your girls have done so well! If you have a moment would you be able to give me some guidance on how best to prepare my dd for second round at St. Helen's and Northwood College, please? Thanks x

mumteacher Sat 12-Jan-13 22:53:00

Seaswan The limited number of places (10-12) make st Helens very competitive but the assessment itself isn't that tasking. Have conversations with your DD about school life, her best friend what they play what her favourite meal is, animals young when they are born, why in the spring? What clothes to wear in the summer? Winter?

Northwood college second round wont be too long. You will also be invited to speak with the head who will ask you why you want north wood college for your DD. It's more about you then your DD at north wood college. ( don't want to up set any one but) In my experience, north wood college remains a second choice for many parents and so competition for place isn't so intense - the waiting list always moves.

mumteacher Sat 12-Jan-13 22:55:15

Also should add out of 45 girls around 20 ish girls from northwood college will apply to Habs 5+. Only a handful of those are ever successful. Worth considering if your going to apply to Habs at 5+.

Lesmiz Sat 12-Jan-13 23:25:33

Hi. Been following this post. Our DD just got an invite to NLCS 4+ 2nd round next week, what do you think can we expect there mumteacher ? Thanks!

mumteacher Sat 12-Jan-13 23:43:32

Lesmiz there are elements to Nlcs round 2 that are group based and 1-2-1.

There will be a physical element jumping, throwing, catching.

Lesmiz Sun 13-Jan-13 09:23:09

Thanks mumteacher ! Physical elements aside, do you know what else she should expect in the group & 1-2-1 sessions ? I believe in Rd 1 DD already had to draw/cut/build.

Seaswan Sun 13-Jan-13 09:56:06

Thanks, Mumteacher, for your advice. Greatly appreciated. Do you mean that Habs don't look favourably at 5+ candidates from NC? Or that the teaching at Reception doesn't really bring students up to the required level to have a chance at success at the 5+ at Habs? What about St. Helen's in comparison? Thanks x

mumteacher Sun 13-Jan-13 12:48:59

Seaswan both schools have a lot of girls app ing to habs5+ when 15-20 girls sit 5+ from nc and again same sort of numbers from st Helens your chances are more diluted since they take on only a limited number og girls from both these schools.

In both schools they know they lose girls to the 5+ so they do very little in the first term.

maya1234 Sun 13-Jan-13 15:01:22

Why would they limit the intake from a particular school though? Shouldn't entry be on merit as opposed to which school you have come from?

mumteacher Sun 13-Jan-13 17:44:45

In theory yes, but you have to remember that they are all part of the same London consortium. It would not look 'right' upon a school like Habs to take 10 girls (half their intake) from a such as nc or st Helens no matter how bright the girls were.

A lot more politics are at play than 'merit' I'm afraid.

maya1234 Sun 13-Jan-13 20:18:47

That is terrible!

In that case they should keep current schools confidential...

mumteacher Sun 13-Jan-13 22:17:06

It's not a perfect system but currently it's the one we have so we have to do what we have to do!

Let me know how you get on with the 5+ and I'll help if I can.

SuiGeneris Sun 13-Jan-13 22:23:51

Thank you, mumteacher, that is very interesting. At the moment he knows:

Colours (rainbow plus brown, black and white)

Shapes (triangle, rectangle, circle, star, heart)

Numbers to 10 (recognises the numeral, can relate numeral to quantity and can order them)

He can also count to 13, but cannot yet recognise the numeral or do quantity.

However, his speech has been delayed due to some hearing problems (now solved) so he is not yet speaking as well as his monolingual peers. For example, he says "I going skiing", "nifished" (=finished), "mashasas" (=pyjamas). We are told he is within the normal range for a child his age.

The schools we are looking at include Thomas's Clapham. Do you think the speech issues will def mean he won't get in or are the other things likely to show that he is a relatively bright child who will pick up the rest once he has had the chance to hear well for a while?

How should his name be written for recognition? Uppercase or upper and lowercase?

SuiGeneris Sun 13-Jan-13 22:30:17

Social skills: he is confident, likes playing with others. Does not always share, even when reminded. Will sometimes snatch toys off others. Not sure how he would react to a special playgroup as I don't stay while he is at nursery but the teacher tells me he looks after other children (well, tries to). Do they look at nursery reports?

Seaswan Sun 13-Jan-13 22:45:59

Mumteacher, do you mean applying for Habs 5+ from a state school may be a better bet?! What is one to do in such a scenario, where the other options for reception entry are other consortium schools or state?

mumteacher Sun 13-Jan-13 23:18:52

Suigeneris what a clever young man you have there x

Speech isn't going to stop him from gaining a place but his inability to listen and follow instructions and snatch will. Some schools do look at nursery reports and from the top of my head I can't remember if Thomas clapham do or not. I will check what I have on file for them and get back to you.

It may not be anytime soon (and since his assessment isn't till October your in no rush) I have 8 out of 10 girls who sat Nlcs called back for round 2 so currently really busy preparing for that. Hope you understand smile

mumteacher Sun 13-Jan-13 23:20:29

Should've added name should always be capital letter to begin and lower case to follow just like all proper nouns. James, India, Lisa....

Raynarayan Mon 14-Jan-13 07:40:37

That's of great interest. The per-schooling thought is best taken care off by looking for private online tutors which provide an initial boost to start up the educational life of any one. They prepare you well for your forth coming learning processes.

grimsleeper Mon 14-Jan-13 20:53:30

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

impatientmum Wed 16-Jan-13 15:44:16

Hi my daughter has been called back for 4+ 2nd round at habs and Channing. Habs is a one on one interview while we speak to the head. Any idea what they may ask her. Also any idea what Channing may do at the 2nd round? Thank you

Seaswan Fri 18-Jan-13 10:33:28

We are also through to the second round at Habs. Mumteacher, any light you could shed on what to expect would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for all your help! X

Wow! This is fascinating ! My dd has just sat and passed 7+ at a selective day prep. She comes from a 'normal' primary, and when I tried to 'coach' her, she refused to sit and do anything grin. She simply went in, did the assessment and came out again! What's with all the coaching?? Surely if you need to coach your children, they are simply not up to the school standard? I am seriously interested, please don't think I'm being confrontational or superior!

mumteacher Fri 18-Jan-13 12:45:59

Half the girls at Nlcs are more then likely being tutored, the girls already in the school are having extra lessons to keep pace. The new in take have to meet that standard not easy without someone putting in some time with the child. In my view coaching doesn't mean an external person but even a very hands on parent.

Your DD has done fab x congratulations. And I really don't want this thread to take such a turn (nor do I really have the time for this kind of debate right now however..) if by normal you mean stare primary then who taught your DD times tables? Or story writing cause they sure don't teach that in state yr 1 anywhere near the level required to pass Nlcs 7+. There's a lot of unknows here I don't know which school your dd got into and i dont have any history on your dd, etc.. I'm just basing this on what I know for sure for the schools that I help prep for.
Also please don't think me 'confrontational or superior' if I don't further respond to this line of inquiry on this thread, it's a really busy time of year and there are too many stressed parents that I could be helping. X

mumteacher Fri 18-Jan-13 12:47:56

Seaswan and impatient mum hans round 2 that's amazing well done x

Puzzles, reading discussion about story, conversations bat holidays, weather

Like I said I'm not trying to be confrontational - was genuinely interested. With my dd, she has obviously been taught the basics at school but, to be honest, come home and wanted 'more' so we have been helping as much as we can. She is just naturally curious too. I will back out now and thanks for your reply smile

mumteacher Fri 18-Jan-13 14:44:51

Sorry some how my last post was sent incomplete.

Conversations about holiday, weather ESP snow polar bears, it's really 20 mins to find 22 girls who will work best together in a class.

Good luck ladies x

Turniphead1 Fri 18-Jan-13 16:29:39

Thanks Mumteacher. Any tips for second round H'gate?

SuiGeneris Fri 18-Jan-13 16:37:23

Mumteacher: many thanks for all of this. I realiste now one of my posts might have misled you: DS is nearly 3 and will be sitting the Thomas assessment in Oct for entry into their 2014 reception class. Does it mean he's sitting a 4+ rather than a 3+ and if so, what does he need to be able to do, please?

horsemadmom Fri 18-Jan-13 17:41:23

Hmmmmm,mumteacher. Did't know anyone in DD's year at NLCS who was tutored while they were at school to 'keep up'. Ditto at 4+ entry. Stop scaring these poor parents.

horsemadmom Fri 18-Jan-13 17:42:12

my keyboard is not working well. Apologies for typos.

<sneaks back on for a minute> I did think that sounded a little strange! Surely if the child gets into the school, the level will be achievable for all of them? I don't want to have to be getting coaching for dd throughout her school life, rather, to have her at a school where she is working to her ability.

impatientmum Fri 18-Jan-13 19:12:23

Thanks mum teacher. Will they be assessing on reading at 4+? Dd has just begun to do simple reading.

mumteacher Fri 18-Jan-13 19:37:17

Horsemadmom I don't know about the secondary school which is where I'm
assuming your DD is because there are 8 girls in my dd class and 7 other girls in the other class (same year) that are pulled into the library at break to do 'further work'. The week before Christmas break one of these girl's parents were called into school to meet with the class teacher who asked them to do some extra work with their DD over the holidays. The reason I know this is because the mother rang me to see if I Could help.

Not all children are going to be good at everything and will need help in certain subjects. The thing about these schools is that they don't want any child to fall behind even in a year where it may not matter so much (non examination year so yr 3/4/5).

I have always maintained that tutoring/coaching is an adult in the child's life helping by doing extra work this can be a parent. The child is doing extra work with someone even eastholly..stated in her first post her DD wouldn't sit to work with her and changed her mind in her second post to say her DD was curious and did work with her after school.

I have nothing to gain by scaring anyone, these assessments are tough simply because there are so many girls applying for so few places you have to do whatever you feel is right to try and secure a place for your child.

What I meant was she wouldn't do the Bond Assessment books, or the practice papers which I'd bought - you are right though, I'd not thought of it that way - of course spendning time with us learning new things could be thought of as coaching or tutoring - I just associate those words with structured lessons

mumteacher Fri 18-Jan-13 19:59:37

Grim sleeper thank you for your post- I'm trying to raise above the 'non-believers' and their posts but it isn't easy!

Girls and boys Habs assessments are different. There will be more physical activities for the boys than the girls,

mumteacher Fri 18-Jan-13 20:40:06

Really don't know why my posts show up incomplete!

So physical plus more mathematical activities, odd one out they like at hab boys, building and making things.

horsemadmom Fri 18-Jan-13 20:47:13

Mumteacher,
Maths Club and English Club (for non-NLCS folk, this is what the booster sessions are called) are one thing. Doing some brush up work over the hols is not unusual. Engaging a tutor to perpetually help your DD to 'keep up' is just not necessary. The girls do just fine if their parents back off and don't get wound up. Have been a parent there for 11 years and I know whereof I speak.

mumteacher Fri 18-Jan-13 21:16:34

Horsemadmum laid bk parents at Nlcs ?! Seriously?! It's One of the most fast pace school there is and when a teacher says do some extra work with your child you do it.

If that means you employ someone because you and your husband work 12 hrs a day then that's what you do.

You claim that there's no one in your DD yr and I question in the tight lipped culture of Nlcs I'm not sure it would be made 'public' knowledge for you too know.

This thread has once again taken a turn which I really didn't want ( more my fault I think for being dragged into the debate) and so let's just say we both know our DDs are happy and that everyone has to what they have to do to gain a place and then keep it x

horsemadmom Sat 19-Jan-13 00:22:41

Wow! I'm glad that my DD and all of her friends are clever enough to not need your 'help'.

Mumsnetters, don't believe the hype. If the school is right for the DC, they get in. If you lump tutoring on them once they're in, in a mistaken belief that they won't keep up, the school will tell you to park your neuroses at the gate. Mumteacher is playing on your insecurity. Tell her to take her toys and clear off.

maya1234 Sat 19-Jan-13 08:49:29

Horsemad

It's great that your kids are so clever that they got in and aren't tutored.

I have friends that teach at Nlcs so I know for a fact that what mum teacher says is true.

She isn't advertising her services here and is just trying to share her experiences of the assesment with other parents here.

The assesment is lottery - most kids who get in have been prepped either by a tutor or their parents - believe what you want.

Why don't you clear off this thread instead?

maya1234 Sat 19-Jan-13 08:52:35

And take your horse** opinion with you

musicalfamily Sat 19-Jan-13 08:54:11

This is a public forum and if people are following the rules and giving opinions they are allowed on any threads they like.

I have no opinions either way but just wanted to say that it is not on to come on and tell people to clear off a thread just because you do not like what they say.

Hawise Sat 19-Jan-13 09:06:07

Mumteacher - I agree with everything you have said. There will always be children in these types of high achieving schools that are being tutored.
Most people will not admit to it. Whether it is a parent sitting down and working with or child or paying for someone to do it because they haven't got the time, it's the same thing in my book.
Horsemadmum, I'm glad for you that your child is capable enough to keep up with the work at NLCS without tutoring, but this is not the case for everyone.
I know of a child at NLCS(and she is at the top of her class) who has been tutored since a really young age. Some people do it because they want their child to keep up with the work and others to keep the child at the top of the class.

mumteacher Sat 19-Jan-13 09:48:27

I just want to make it clear that I don't tutor children once they are in the school. I only help prepare children to get in ie the 3+ 4+ 5+ and 7+ assessments.

So I have nothing to be gained by'playing on people's insecurities'.

Yes this is a public forum but please let's at least try and keep it on track. Horsemadmum you can at least accept that it's a stressful time going through these assessments.

Lets try and help these parents get their children into the schools first and worry about the rest later.

If it helps I can start another thread to discuss the merits (or not) of tutoring once your in a school?!

maya1234 Sat 19-Jan-13 11:57:24

Fair enough - however horsemad is telling mumteacher to clear off - when all mumteacher is trying to do is help others.

emanuela Sat 19-Jan-13 17:37:32

I would just like to say that I know 5 girls at nlcs and 4 are tutored 1 is not (incredibly, incredibly smart girl even by nlcs standards).

Having said that, my son will sit 7+ in two years and I am reading mum teacher posts with much interest.

If you want to have a debate, can we please do a Aibu and leave this threat "clear" and focused on assessment advice?

Thanks a lot!

mumteacher Sat 19-Jan-13 20:26:59

Let's see if we can't get this thread 'back on track' ;)

Turniphead1 highgate round2 that's great! Well done x

Shapes, sequencing, drawing and puzzles,social interaction with other children will also be noted.

Your post was on the next page so I didn't see it and then caught in this silly debate!

Sorry hope you haven't sat round 2 yet smile

mumteacher Sat 19-Jan-13 20:30:15

Emanuela where will you sit the 7+? Are you considering Habs 5+ since you're 2 yrs from doing the 7+?

Turniphead1 Sat 19-Jan-13 20:48:14

Thanks Mumteacher.
Hard to know how much they can observe with 4 kids in a 30 minute group session. wink

Agree this is not the place for debates about whether kids are tutored to keep up with schools such as NLCS once they get in.

That said, Horsemadmom is a good and helpful contributor on the education boards and knows a lot about North London independents.

emanuela Sat 19-Jan-13 21:18:21

Hi mumteacher, my son will sit Westminster Under, Highgate, Ucs and Habs (boys) at 7+. He is still in reception, but I want to be prepared for when the time comes...

I will be copying the more relevant answers from you in a word document (together with all the relevant info from other threads) so that I can then easily find all the answers.

Thanks for all your help

horsemadmom Sun 20-Jan-13 02:07:24

Thanks, Turniphead1. Hope it's all going well. If it's a 30 min. session, they're looking to see if DS participates and is a team player. All the schools on your list just want boys who are excited about learning. Once you've closed the gap between levels at state primary and a good pre-prep, it just comes down to readiness to learn and that spark that makes the teachers want to spend 6 hrs every day with your DS.
A little story-
I ran into one of my DS's friends from pre-prep and his mum- which was good as I'd never have recognised the 6 ft tall version of this boy. At 7, he was one of the handfull who went to a prep as opposed to UCS, Highgate and Westminster. Frankly, I thought he was a bit thick. Turns out he's at Westminster having got in at 13. He had time to mature and needed more years of nurture than some of the others. Had he, by some miracle, got in to one of those schools at 7 he might have been weeded out before he found his feet.
Not every child is ready for a fast-paced academic enviornment at 4+ or 7+. Teaching them tricks and drilling them past where they are naturally MIGHT get you a place (notice I say you) but, you risk having a DC who isn't ready to cope on their own. And really, should you be paying fees and tutors? It perpetuates this culture of helicopter parenting and the poor kids have no sense of self esteem as a result. You shouldn't feel you have to jump in with a life belt every time. Let them doggy paddle and occassionally swallow a bit of water. The podium finish might be at 11 or 13. Or they might have less aptitude and less apetite for the race and go do something wonderful that wasn't in your (notice I said your) plan at all.

lesmisfan Sun 20-Jan-13 08:17:43

Could I ask a genuine question? Why are parents so desperate for NLCS at 4+? What I am reading here absolutely supports what I hear from friends with children there, huge amounts of homework, extra support, kumon lessons at the weekend and I know several girls who have been advised they might be happier elsewhere. To add to that, the 4+ tutoring horrifies me, why are we forcing such small children into situations they may not be ready for when there is 7+, which I absolutely accept there may be a need to tutor for and 11+. We are local to NLCS and made a deliberate decision not to go sit DD at 4+ as we felt we simply didn't know if she was bright enough or indeed tough enough for that environment. She is at a prep school and we will absolutely consider it for her at 11 if she continues as she is now but it really concerns me about the panic to prepare tiny children for these highly academic schools without really knowing what kind of child they are.

mumteacher Sun 20-Jan-13 08:42:47

There seems to be a lot people desperate to air their views on tutoring and schools.

I am going to start another thread so that this thread can be left open and clear for parents who want/need help with assessments.

mumteacher Sun 20-Jan-13 09:02:14

Horsemadmum, lesmisfan knock yourself out x

Here:

http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/primary/1663735-Is-tutoring-for-3-4-5-7-now-the-norm

mumteacher Sun 20-Jan-13 09:03:19
inkspotty Sun 20-Jan-13 12:05:41

There's lots of talk here about north london assessments, but does anyone have any experience of prep for the 7+ entrance requirements for LEH in Hampton, south west London? Mumteacher - have you experience of pupils sitting for this school?
Should I expect the entry process to be as competitive as for Habs or NLCS? Also keen to see if those who do enter are tutored to get in and tutored to stay in, to guarantee a place at 11, as I hear from the schoolgate grapevine that it is no way guaranteed that you can stay until 18 if you enter at 7?
Any info would be very gratefully received..

mumteacher Sun 20-Jan-13 20:19:52

Hasn't the 7+ assessment for Leh already come and gone?

Entry at 7+ a lot of these schools doesn't mean a guaranteed place passed 11+. The students already at the school will have to sit the 11+ exam just like external students. The school does prepare the children within the school well. Plus if they have any concerns they will let you know early on.

inkspotty Sun 20-Jan-13 20:49:51

Yes, but we won't apply until this time next year. I'm trying to work out if it's as competitive as the north London entrance exams at 7 and wondering how much prep I should do with my dd throughout year 1.

The students already at the school will have to sit the 11+ exam just like external students. This contradicts my understanding. Have you prepared an internal girl for 11+? I thought the junior girls DON'T sit the external exam like the others, they sit their own internal exam in year five instead. So IF our DD got in via the 7+ she'd effectively have to sit a 10+ in order to stay on.
Is there anyone on this thread with inside knowledge of LEH to clarify?

sybilwibble Sun 20-Jan-13 21:08:43

I know the school well, as I have dds at the school in both junior and senior. I don't have any personal knowledge of Habs or NLCS but entry into LEH is very tough indeed, at both 7 and 11.

The school stopped making it's junior girls sit the 11+ quite some time ago, probably about 4-5 yrs back. They do sit their own senior entrance exam in yr 5, so a 10+ as you;ve been told. Because of this, it appears the junior 7+ has become even more popular.

My experience is that there's not so much tutoring as such at 7+ but lots of parental assistance to get girls to the required standard. Some girls are tutored for entry of course..

As the girls head towards the yr five exams, tutoring steps up, or kicks in for some/many. It's not common knowledge, the parents don't discuss it in my experience, but the girls tell each other about their tutors by this age. Year 5 is "the big deciding year" and those that don't get offered a place into the senior school then have a chance to go and sit other entrance exams. Year six seems to be a bit of a coasting year for the juniors if they have made the grade and been offered a place in seniors, in contrast to other girls of this age who have the 11+ pressure.

hth

mumteacher Sun 20-Jan-13 21:10:06

I don't prep children once they are in the school.

Sorry didn't mean to confuse you. The papers may differ but the girls will have to sit an examination. Ring the school and ask them.This kind of information they will give and that why 'you've heard it from the horse's mouth' so to speak.

Whilst you're on the phone to them you could also ask how many sat the 7+ this year to give you a better idea of competition.

My advice to you for prep of 7+ is start early and do little chunks at a time.

Good luck x

Sparkleandshine Mon 21-Jan-13 10:50:53

My Ds is pretty average at his prep school, and has just taken the 6+, with the view that if his adjusted scores for the three tests should be 120+ for an assured place at the really good school we are hoping he will join at 11.

He scored 105, 100 and 100 (which is no real surprise) these were age adjusted for December child - test taken in November so he was 6y11m.

However he got 25/28 for maths which translated to 105 - is it really the case that he would have had to get 100% basically to get adjusted 120 score?

Then he is due to take a 7+ in June, would you recommend I do anything? I'm not inclined to push it as feel he has yet to 'grow up', he has only just started growing and losing teeth and although bright seems quite young for his age. Teacher made a big thing of it being hard for him due to the age adjustment and poor spelling. What do you recommend?

mumteacher Tue 22-Jan-13 16:39:13

5+ results for Habs girls are out for all those who have been waiting!

The weather has meant delayed post in some area and hence the school will let you have results over the phone if you haven't yet got a letter x

impatientmum Wed 23-Jan-13 15:12:48

Mum teacher do you know if you have a brother at habs does it get you a priority at habs girls for 4+?

mumteacher Wed 23-Jan-13 16:27:09

That would be great wouldn't it? ;)

Both schools work independently of each other. The boys school do however look like they take an interest in the fact that you have a daughetr at the girls schools but not at the girls schools!

Are you through to round 2 at Habs with a boy already at their boys school?

impatientmum Wed 23-Jan-13 17:37:21

I thought so! Yes I have a son at habs boys. I do remember when he sat his 7+ assessments they did say that all boys with sisters at the girls school will get an interview ( but not necessarily a place) but they didn't really mention that at the girls school.

Turniphead1 Thu 24-Jan-13 13:17:06

Letters are out today from Wminster 7+. My DS has to go back for second stage on Tuesday. Now, how to get him not to say that he doesn't want to go and wants to go to the same school as his sister? Hmmm.

mumteacher Sat 26-Jan-13 08:56:33

Turnip head that's wonderful well done x

Schools will expect the child to be sitting a number if assessments.

And lucky for you they don't give out places on the child preference of school! ;)

TennisMom Sat 26-Jan-13 10:33:18

Turniphead1, what time is your interview on Tuesday? I am trying to determine how many groups they are interviewing on Day 1 and Day 2. Our interview is on Day 1.

Turniphead1 Sat 26-Jan-13 14:34:03

11am. When are you?

TennisMom Sat 26-Jan-13 18:11:23

11am Day 1 as well. Looks like this is the first group of boys they are bringing in that day and for the process overall. Very good sign but nothing is guaranteed, of course, until you have that letter in your hand.

mumteacher Sun 27-Jan-13 23:03:23

Well done interview on day 1 so a real positive start. X

traintracks Sat 02-Feb-13 18:40:47

Good luck to everyone waiting for the post on Tuesday morning. Can't wait for it all to be over!

TennisMom Sat 02-Feb-13 22:58:28

traintracks, which school are you waiting to hear from on Tuesday?

traintracks Sun 03-Feb-13 00:11:57

All the N London girls schools post their 4+ letters on Monday to arrive Tuesday e.g. shhs, Nlcs, St Christopher's, channing etc

andsowewait Sun 03-Feb-13 00:48:16

Hello mumteacher what's your advice when given a place on the reserve list - a) how to discuss with the child and b) what the chances of getting a firm place are? We are on the 7+ reserve list at Highgate. Any idea how many are likely to be on the list? Will it be down to an issue from the interview? We were so pleased to get through the first stage it feels so near and so far. Having to wait some more to find out if we are in or not is really awful!

mumteacher Mon 04-Feb-13 20:16:06

Hoping the post man brings good news tomorrow!

mumteacher Tue 05-Feb-13 22:46:08

4+ results out for north London schools. How did you all do?

jmf294 Tue 05-Feb-13 23:07:20

My daughter got a 3+ place at St Helens which I am delighted with.
She has never been to nursery as we have a nanny so I wasn't sure how she would do compared to those girls who go to nurseries.
We had chocolate cupcakes to celebrate.

mumteacher Tue 05-Feb-13 23:25:45

That's amazing well done you and your very clever little girl.

Sounds like my kind of celebration - I love choc!

Turniphead1 Wed 06-Feb-13 00:16:58

Mum teacher - how your 7+ results gone? How many did you teach & how many offers did they get?

Turniphead1 Wed 06-Feb-13 00:18:18

Appallingl grammar! On my behalf.

mumteacher Wed 06-Feb-13 10:22:50

80% of my students that took 7+ got into their first choice of school.
100% into their second choice.
Out of the 10 girls sitting Nlcs, 9 got through to ronud2 and 7 secured a place.
8 sat Habs 7 through to round 2 and 5 secured a place.

(If a child secures a place at CC but the parents wanted Habs or another school that's not a 'tick' for me! I measure my own success on a child securing a place at their first choice of school).

Turniphead1 hope things worked out for you.

mumteacher Wed 06-Feb-13 10:27:05

Just read the last few posts and I can see how it can look like I'm 'looking for work'!

I'm just replying to turnipheads post.

Just want to add that I do not know turnip head irl.

I am almost at full capacity and I'm not looking for more work x

stikmatix Wed 06-Feb-13 10:57:50

Hope everyone got the news they wanted yesterday!

Good news for us - DD3 got a 4+ place at St Helen's so will join DD1 and DD2 who are already there. V happy about that as she is quite shy still!

If anyone wonders, all 3 of our girls have got in "unprepared", and are not academic genii! It is entirely possible and doable....

jmf - well done, St H will not disappoint!

mumteacher - well done to your students and you.

iseenodust Wed 06-Feb-13 11:59:30

Well done all.
Another 10 days to go before DS's 8+ result. <dramatic sigh>

newmem Wed 06-Feb-13 12:25:04

Hi Mumteacher

I am quite impressed with all the free advice you have been given to parents for the 4+ 5+ 7+ assessment. I wish i could have read this when my kids went through the 4+ assessment and did not got in. However they are now in a private school in harrow. We are looking into moving school, my son is in year4 and daughter in year3. Their current school is a 13+ school, which you can imagine will not get them ready for 11+. We have an assessment in St Helen college in 5 days. Can you please give any advice possible for both of them; I assume that it will be a 7+ and 8+ assessment.
They are not good at writing. I am supposed to drop them at 8.30 on Monday and pick them up at 11.20am. Any idea of what they will go through.

pamoja Wed 06-Feb-13 14:50:52

Thank you MUM TEACHER ...we got into NLCS and Habs too based on your advice for round two......thank you thank you....definitely say you need to be prepared as without preps , you are standing up against 300 others who are...

Fabmum123 Wed 06-Feb-13 14:54:52

Mum teacher, am sitting my son for 7plus Habs next year. Can you please PM me your contact details.

mumteacher Wed 06-Feb-13 20:12:50

Stikmatix sooooo pleased for you - and I envy you the one school run! ;)

The few days of waiting is the hardest hang in there iseenodust almost there- keeping figures and toes crossed for you.

Newmem with only 5 days to go it's really difficult to make any serious changes to their writing. However you might like to try the story hill advice I put up ( now probably on page 2 or 3 of this thread).

pamoja you are so welcome. I'm really pleased I could help. There was a time when I first stated this thread I thought of not continuing but I'm glad I did. If I help just one person (you) it was worth the slack I got. Good luck in making your decision that's two fantastic school offers you're holding.

Fabmum123 the 7+ is competitive so if I can't help please make you keep pace with the level and amount of work involved. (during my busy times I may not reply immediately but keep pestering me - I won't mind ;) )

stikmatix Thu 07-Feb-13 11:00:22

Mumteacher - one school run, I wish - we have a DS as well, so 2 schools to go to, and are expecting number 5 who is a boy, so will end up with 3 school runs as DS1 will go to senior school at the time the baby will start junior!!!! But I can't complain, for now, the school timings are pretty compatible, and we've got into a decent routine.

How many different schools do you have for your kids?

projectsrus Thu 07-Feb-13 15:20:59

well done to all...
also waiting for my DD's 8+ results, frankly it seems a century since she'd done them, although it was only 2 weeks ago!
Not sure how long we have to wait, they said by the 10th of Feb, which is fast approaching and it is a Sunday....

mumteacher Mon 11-Feb-13 09:34:00

5+ results out this weekend how did you on get on?

maya1234 Mon 11-Feb-13 16:03:36

Rejected -
Dd failed the main assesment task - she told the teacher she didnt want to do it and the teacher said that's fine....which is a shame

Had really expected her to get through this year

Maybe she just doesn't have what it takes

maya1234 Mon 11-Feb-13 16:04:18

Mumteaxher How were your 5+ results? Did they all get in?

emanuela Mon 11-Feb-13 20:43:41

Hi maya1234, is your child outgoing or shy? A bit grumpy or very smiley?

My daughter finally got into a good school (she is older now) but from when she did the assessments (she did 2 in north london schools, she did not get in in any of them) I noticed one thing: there is something about some girls (confidence, but more than that) that makes it really easy for them.

Sometimes I am one of the parents at my daughter's school for when the girls do the4+. I play a little game with myself. I talk to the parents (normally only a few any given day) and then I put their daughters into the "yes", "maybe" or no pile.

Then come September, I normally see some of the yeses (some might have gone to different schools, etc), but never the "nos". So some girls just have what it takes. I accepted that my daughter didn't have it (she is quite grumpy, unfortunately and not really very self confident) and moved on. She got in later on when academics became more important.

So, please don't take it so badly. It is very tough, I know ( believe me I do) but your daughter must have some form of shyness/lack of confidence.

Refusing to do the task is unfortunately a big no-no.

Is she in a school that will prepare her for the 7 + now? That is where you will see if she is academic enough for those schools. Remember, for a child who struggles those schools are a nightmare.

So, relax now and try to prepare her without pushing her too hard.

I really hope this helps.

maya1234 Mon 11-Feb-13 23:13:22

Perhaps she is temperamental and moody, under confident, more so since starting her new school this year.

It is frustrating to be rejected as academically she is very bright, began reading at 2, currently reads to the level of a 7 year old, her maths and problem solving is great, she can hold a good conversation and certainly isnt shy.

What do you look for in parents when playing your game? what are your no signals and yes signals?

Kids are a reflection of their parents, maybe having miserable ones doesnt help.

Budj Tue 12-Feb-13 00:08:38

Hi mum teacher,

Lots of talk about the girls but can you help with boys. My little boy has the hall 4plus in a couple of weeks - he is August born so we era rested right at the end. Do you have any idea what they will ask...I've asked lots of mums whose sons have taken the test but no one tells anyone anything. Whats the big secret?
Thanks

Budj Tue 12-Feb-13 00:11:13

Just wanted to add - mum teacher, what fab advice. Honestly i
Don't think you really need to do this but it's nice that you do. Thanks again!

horsemadmom Tue 12-Feb-13 09:12:14

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/9860555/Three-year-olds-coached-to-get-into-top-private-schools.html
Don't just take my word for it.

Turniphead1 Tue 12-Feb-13 09:49:13

Really sad to see mothers referring to their four year olds as "not having what it takes". Get a grip ladies. These are babies. Some babies are outgoing and bubbly some are not. So what.

(And this is from someone fully invested in the whole north London Independent school madness).

mumteacher Tue 12-Feb-13 12:12:48

Maya1234 all my 5+ secured a place thank you for asking.

9 out 10 girls sitting Nlcs were offered round 2 and 7 secured a place at the school. Of course when interview by leading paper the new of Nlcs is going to say they don't like it. What did you expect her to say?!

They know these girls are tutored but that doesn't stop them from taking these girls on.

horsemadmom Tue 12-Feb-13 12:39:06

I have nothing but respect for Mrs. Newman and she means what she says. Oh, after 10 years as Head and many before that as a teacher at NLCS, she is hardly new. Your 'clients' would most likely have got a place without your help. You've just made a bit of money.

maya1234 Tue 12-Feb-13 12:51:09

Who knows? It certainly isnt a level playing field - thats for sure.

mumteacher Tue 12-Feb-13 13:41:21

Sorry for the confusion I typed hm and my I pad changed it to new! Certainly didn't mean Mrs Newman is new to headship or teaching. She is an experienced teacher and a wonderful person.

However, it would be professional suicide if she said anything other than 'don't tutor your 3 yr old'

I'm sure these parents would spend everyday in the park after nursery with their 3 yr olds if the school assessments tested how well a child climbs the monkey bars! (how fab would that be) ;)

Mulberry house had around 15 girls sit Nlcs this year and around 8 got a place. 10 of my students sat and 7 got a place I must be doing something right. Maybe I should open a nursery and then it wouldn't be called tutoring anymore!

Horsemadmum you have made your position on this perfectly clear, but I have had tens of messages thanking me for my advice and help. These parents feel that they have no where else to turn to since parents who have been through the process won't share as a previous post pointed out. On that note you've a had a number of girls sit these assessments yet I didn't read anywhere you say - my DD said she was ask to draw a picture .......etc! Why can't you be more helpful?!

If parents like you would help others there may well be no need for tutors like me. Just saying read stories and do a few puzzles isn't enough! We all know and do that!

Sure I charge because I have a family to feed but I haven't charged a penny to all those who I have helped on mumsnet so I don't understand your upset. Is it because I make a few pennies or that people tutor at all?!

horsemadmom Tue 12-Feb-13 14:08:04

Actually,I have been helpful with SOME assessment info. I certainly wouldn't say what they are looking for even though I know. You shouldn't fake developmental milestones (it's what is IN the picture).
I do object to tutoring. I object to the creeping culture of insecurity and sharp elbows. They are looking for bright bunnies who are ready to learn and will approach school as an adventure. You can't fake this even at 4+. What you might be able to do is help a marginal candidate who might find themselves overwhelmed and might have been better off at 7+ or 11+. I see increasing numbers of parents stoking up their childrens' insecurities at school. Children need to struggle sometimes, to persevere and come out stronger. Even, heaven forbid, work harder! If the answer is always a tutor, that child will always know that mummy and daddy bought their achievments.

Nickmom Tue 12-Feb-13 14:35:35

Mumteacher,I an with you. I learned the hard way that no matter what any head says tutoring works. At any age. We took the "high road" for 11+ and now it is my DD who isn't at the school she wanted. Many of her less academic friends who were tutored aggressively are there while she is sailing along at the top of her class but not working much at all.

Socialist Tue 12-Feb-13 15:37:23

Horsemadmom, people will do whatever it takes, sometimes, to get an advantage for their child. I understand your position and I support it. But please don't be naive to think that HMs at private schools are not aware that they offer admission to tonnes of tutored children every year! As someone has already mentioned, it would be suicidal for them to publicly claim they do it.

I know of three children (2 educated privately and one at a state school) in the last 5 years who have tried to get into ncls: only one from a state school and who wasn't tutored (contrary to what I have read here), made it. So, maybe schools like nlcs have a way of detecting coaching (I personally don't know) but still it can't be 100% perfect.

Mumteacher - well done, you! Do you prepare children for 11+? xx

horsemadmom Tue 12-Feb-13 15:38:41

11+ is a different kettle of fish especially if you are going state to private/grammar. My objection is to 3+ and 4+ tutoring.

Socialist Tue 12-Feb-13 16:01:37

Horsemadmom, I agree with you and understand your objection all along. I have a friend who thinks people like Mumteacher are scavengers because they encourage and feed on the neurosis of tiger parents - who think it's the end of the world if a child does not get into their school of choice at 3/4.

Mumteacher's record is, however, remarkable.

Turniphead1 Tue 12-Feb-13 19:17:08

Does Mumteacher select her kids though? A lot of tutor's have very good records because they won't take on kids that aren't fairly super bright already.

Turniphead1 Tue 12-Feb-13 21:13:25

Clearly I need tuition in the correct use of the apostrophe. Tut tut.

mumteacher Tue 12-Feb-13 22:50:29

^ I certainly wouldn't say what they are looking for even though I know^

If you know why can't you be more forth coming?! For *?%! sake it's no wonder parents turn to whatever help they CAN get because those like you who are in a position to shed light -don't!

A three yr old these days can be going to ballet classes, tennis, art, gym, music, speech and drama....etc. What they do with me for an hour is puzzles, play dough, discussions re animals really a lot of what they do at nursery - I just fine tune it so they do these things in a way that will benefit them in the assessments.

These children spend longer sitting with a pen and paper at their art class don't see anyone massively objecting to that! Just because it's termed tutoring does mean they are doing worksheet upon worksheet.

My 4+ class went to see a sheep being sheared - does that sound like tutoring?!

Turniphead1 I only work a few hours a week so the selection is by the numbers I'm able to accommodate not ability.

Socialist I'm trained to teach to 11 but currently don't tutor for the 11+.

Nickmom I'm sorry things didn't work out for your DD the 11+ is the most competitive stage and many parents start prep themselves in year 4 and get a tutor in year 5. It can raise the benchmark. Being at the top of her current class will give her self esteem a massive boost and you can always keep her challenged at home with a little extra work yourself. X

maya1234 Wed 13-Feb-13 09:04:18

horsemad i wonder how you would feel if your kids didn't get into NLCS or wherever they are....

I'm pretty certain you wouldn't have such an arrogant attitude...you would be the same as the rest of us on here.

Everyone has been trying to keep this thread for assessment help, yet you constantly change the topic into whether to tutor or not, no one is interested in your opinion on tutoring here, only information which can help parents in preparing for assessments.

emanuela Wed 13-Feb-13 17:19:23

Hi maya1234, I agree with you on horsemad. Why don't you just leave it if your children don't need any help and are perfect in every sense? If my children were so perfect I would not spend my time in the education section of mumsnet.

Unfortunately my children are not as good as yours and we want to discuss to see the best way to get them into a good school.

Once they are in, we will take care of them if they are struggling.

Maya1234, I will send you a pm about the girls who do the assessment tonight.

I read that somebody feels sorry for me because I said they don't have what it takes. Unfortunately some people do and some people don't and need some help.

A person who graduated with me got all the big jobs (Goldman, merrill, Morgan Stanley). It was very disappointing for me who had to prepare and work extra hard to get my job.

But it is the same for the girls. What is it that annoys you so much about tutoring the girls horsemad?

X2mum Wed 13-Feb-13 17:56:53

Thanks for all your tips. My DS is sitting Habs 5+ this week and he is an aug birthday total panic!!! Any advice?

mumteacher Wed 13-Feb-13 20:22:07

X2mum a little late in the day for any thing solid but make sure he has a hobby he can discuss in depth.

Make sure you speak with the head. He'll be floating around.

Good luck x

grimsleeper Thu 14-Feb-13 17:45:52

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

iseenodust Fri 15-Feb-13 13:07:16

DS has passed 8+ for the school we wanted.
MumT the tip for the story hill was really helpful, not a way DS (of little imagination) had had it put to him before. Thanks.

mumteacher Fri 15-Feb-13 21:09:30

Iseenodust congratulations that's amazing.

Boys are usually either visual learners or learn by doing and not really by watching. So story hill really does work for them. Glad to have been of help x

5+ boys underway - hope it's going well x

rollerskaterabbit Thu 21-Feb-13 15:57:49

Has anyone heard anything yet from the 1st round Habs boys 5+ assessments yet?

X2mum Fri 22-Feb-13 16:33:18

Yes we were a no - boo hoo! DS is upset thought he would not even notice as I didn't make a big thing of it! Anyone else heard?

Twistynickers Fri 22-Feb-13 17:46:48

Through to next round at Habs 5+

Not sure how I am going to cope over the next few weeks!

Millhillmummy Sat 23-Feb-13 19:01:03

Hi, my son has just got through to second round. Any idea of what is to come and what we can expect?
Thanks!

anewdispensation Fri 01-Mar-13 00:42:41

same here. any advice on hab's 2nd round?

mumteacher Fri 01-Mar-13 07:57:24

Muilhillmummy have pm you again

Itsnevereasy Fri 01-Mar-13 10:13:27

Hi mum teacher, have tried to pm you about Habs 2nd round too. Hope to get some advice. Thanks.

Twistynickers Fri 01-Mar-13 11:39:36

Hi mumteacher,

Could you just post the advice here so we can all see it?
thanks

Cabbagecarrot Fri 01-Mar-13 14:05:47

Hi mumteacher, note you don't do 11+ tutoring yourself but if have any good recommendations for best tutors who do, it would be very appreciated - am looking some years ahead as missed the boat on 7+ but hope to be prepared if need be for next time ...

Iggity Sat 02-Mar-13 22:56:57

Not sure if this is the right place but there seems to be a lot of prep school experience on this thread so thought I would ask.

DS has been offered a place at a London prep for reception entry. Originally he was on the reserve list but a few weeks later, we were called to offer him a place.

When we first heard that he hadn't made the first cut, we had decided just to wait for the state school decision in April as our first choice is an outstanding ofsted rated faith school with the top SAT results in our borough.

Now we have been offered a place at the prep school, it has thrown us a bit. We want the best for our DS but neither of us were educated privately so we feel a bit uncertain.

My question is around the deposit you pay when you accept a place. The deposit for this school is nearly 1k and whilst we are prepared to pay it, the Ts and Cs seem to imply that if you accept a place, you have to give one term's notice or pay one term's fees minus the deposit if you decide not to take the place.

Given that our DS isn't even at the school yet, can anyone explain what this means? I think notice has to be given a few days before the term actually starts. I had wondered does this mean that we would have to give notice that we didn't want the place a few days before the 17th April which is the state school decision day and also the beginning of the Summer term.

We don't want to deprive another child of a place but I suppose we had hoped that the school wouldn't come back to us prior to the 17th April.

stretto Sun 03-Mar-13 12:28:34

Mumteacher (and anyone else who can advise)
How many schools did you register your children for?

Our daughter (21 months) is registered for Highgate, Channing (at 4+) and Avenue. I thought about signing her up for Charterhouse Square, but have just seen that they require a £4000 deposit shock more than a year in advance to secure the place.

We hope to move to Highgate, but are considering deferring our move until we know where she will go to school. Are we complacent to have her signed up to just 3 schools?

thaliablogs Sun 03-Mar-13 21:52:37

Iggity afraid if you withdrew once the money is in you would lose it, that's the deal they are doing with you. It's only refundable on the terms you state once the child is at the school, eg you could tell them in sept that your child will leave in January and get it back, but you will not get it back if you simply don't start.

It's extremely hard making these trade offs. Worth going for a visit to help you decide?

Primafacie Sun 03-Mar-13 23:28:00

On the school deposits point, the OFT issued guidance in 2006 basically telling independent schools that they must refund the deposit if they manage to fill the space left vacant, as they then suffer no loss - so keeping the deposit amounts to an illegal financial penalty, which is prohibited under the Unfair Contract Terms Act. The Independent School Bursars Association, as far as I know, tells its members they should refund these deposits. However, most schools still try to keep them. It is very annoying (not to mention expensive!) and I am convinced schools stagger their offer dates to maximise the number of deposits parents end up having to pay. <dons conspiracy theorist hat>

If it helps - you may want to see it as the drop in the ocean that it will be if you educate privately from 4, or as a small dent in the enormous savings you will make if you don't!

PM me if you need more details.

Turniphead1 Sun 03-Mar-13 23:34:06

Stretto I would add Hampstead Hill to your list if that is a feasible commute for you.

mumteacher Wed 06-Mar-13 00:58:20

Really sorry that I've been off MN for a few days and missed the requests for advice for Habs 5+ boys. I know it's Tom so too late in the day now!
Good luck x

mumteacher Wed 06-Mar-13 01:00:50

For advice on schools and deposits/ fees etc you may get more responses if you try and set up a new thread. X

stretto Wed 06-Mar-13 10:49:01

That's very interesting about the deposits, Prima. I imagine any attempt to get a refund would get quite nasty though!
Turnip - thanks, I will look into Hampstead Hill. We haven't moved yet, so we might just stay in our one-bedroom flat until we know where our daughter will go to school....

stretto Wed 06-Mar-13 12:22:26

Thanks mumteacher. Studying this thread has given me a good idea of quite how much competition there is out there for places so I think we will make more applications than we had originally planned to do. Thanks for setting up this thread!

11plustutor Wed 06-Mar-13 15:10:06

Message deleted by Mumsnet for breaking our Talk Guidelines. Replies may also be deleted.

mumteacher Wed 06-Mar-13 19:59:45

Um 11plustutor I don't think you can advertise for work on MN in this manner, I'm sure someone will be along soon enough to 'tell you off'! In the meantime hope it works out for you and you little man x

mumteacher Wed 06-Mar-13 20:01:10

How did the 5+ Habs boys round 2 go? Would love to know what came up. Please pm me if you're not happy sharing on here.

OliviaMumsnet (MNHQ) Wed 06-Mar-13 20:28:55

Well we don't like to "tell people off" as often it's a genuine newbie error and we understand that folk didn't know.
But we do have to apply our talk guidelines fairly.
11plustutor we will mail you.

Thanks MNHQ

Twistynickers Thu 07-Mar-13 12:28:49

So round 2 done and now it's just a waiting game.

Not sure my nails are going to survive the next week!

The assessment seems to have covered the usual stuff that you would expect a reception child to be able to do. I am not sure how a tutor would have improved DSs chances, had we decided to go down that route.

So not regretting at all our decision not to bother with tutoring.

mumteacher Thu 07-Mar-13 20:04:30

If you helped your child prep for the assessment then you wouldn't need a tutor. It's about an adult - any adult having the time to spend with a child.

For example Round 2 covered reading - a child having put in just one term in reception without further help from a parent/tutor wouldn't have been able to do that easily.

All said and done pleased for you and your Ds by the sounds of it it went well. Hope next week brings good news for you. X

Twistynickers Thu 07-Mar-13 20:17:02

I didn't "prep" him.

But I made pencils available so he could draw or colour whenever he felt like it. And we read and talked about stuff. And this was complemented my the reading, writing and number work he did at school.

I suppose I just don't get how a one hour session or even two session a week would have made any difference.

mumteacher Thu 07-Mar-13 23:45:11

Maybe you're right an hour a week, 52 hours a year isn't a lot!

Yet just days before the assessment you were on MN asking me to post advice!

If you didn't prep your son what exactly were you going to do with the advice I gave?!

Twistynickers the assessments are done and dusted and I'm sure your son would've done great. But don't kid yourself, if I had said last year the boys were asked to ride a scooter - you would've dug out the old scooter and taken your son for a spin!

We all do what we can so that our children can have the best possible start in life. Tutoring, prep, guiding, helping, coaching, encouraging, 'talking about stuff' call it what you might - mounts to the same thing......'a rose by any other name would smell just as sweet' X

Millhillmummy Fri 08-Mar-13 13:21:21

Hi, does anyone know if they had second Habs assessments on the Friday as well? Or was it just Monday - Thursday? Thanks in advance

snowmummy Fri 08-Mar-13 13:51:11

Priceless:

Let me know what assessments your sitting and I'll try and help.

You're your. Anyone?

grimsleeper Fri 08-Mar-13 17:44:00

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Millhillmummy Fri 08-Mar-13 18:12:38

Thanks grimsleeper.

Glad this week is over and all the best to everyone who sat. Roll on next Thursday! X

berrymummy Mon 11-Mar-13 11:08:45

Hi mumteacher
Thanks for all your ideas, my dd is only 2 but havin just looked around some of the hampstead schools I realised how cazy the assesementa game issad I likes at Christophers the most as seems to take a range of personalities as head was very approachable which I think is very important. We'd be looking to try get her a place there. Would you suggest something I could focus on with DD? She's very happy, engaging and confident but then she's only just. Turned 2 and I don't want to go crazy and let her be herself at the end of the day. I think she'd be happy at st christophers but so much competition means parents are left terrified of what to teach their DC just to stand a chance...

berrymummy Mon 11-Mar-13 11:09:56

Sorry for all the typos- hope you got the gist ( am on iPhone)

Millhillmummy Mon 11-Mar-13 17:31:15

Does anyone else feel like time is standing still??

Elaine28 Tue 12-Mar-13 14:40:19

Hi mum teacher thank you for the advise. I wondered if you could help me with timescales, my DS is in Reception at a state primary, we are wanting him to sit the 7+ for Habs Boys. At the moment he does Kumon maths and English and attends explore learning. My question is when should I start his tuition for the 7+ exam? Is 1 year enough time for tuition or would you say the sooner the better?

mumteacher Wed 13-Mar-13 23:14:32

Depends Elaine28. Are you able to help him at home? It's usually a great start if you can. It sounds like you have a very firm start already. Keeping going. He's only in reception so little steps. If he's not happy to do something back off a little. Remember that it's next year you will need him to buckle down so don't put him off now.

Reception- addition,subtraction time, money, growing cress, letter formation..
Yr 1 times tables, fractions, doubles, halves, story writing and comprehensions.

grimsleeper Thu 14-Mar-13 10:17:56

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

mumteacher Thu 14-Mar-13 11:15:42

Sooooo pleased for you. He's done so well and I'm sure he's going to really enjoy it at Habs. X

Millhillmummy Thu 14-Mar-13 12:15:24

Us too grimsleeper, Habs here we come!

Elaine28 Thu 14-Mar-13 12:25:39

Thanks for your help mum teacher and congrats grim sleeper! Yes we do lots of work at home, he actually loves doing the Kumon maths and English and so far I have never had to battle with him to do it - I just say time for Kumon and he leaps up to the table to get started. The Explore Learning is also great as he thinks its fantastic that he gets to go and play computer games while Mummy does the boring shopping. My concern is he still has not grasped the reading and I am aware that the other children in his class have taken to reading much quicker, the maths he whizzes through no problem. He doesn't turn 5 until May so i am concerned that when he sits the exam he will be younger than other applicants. Do you have anything you recommend for basic beginners reading?

Chiffer Fri 15-Mar-13 08:41:27

mumteacher if you are still around ...
My DS (6) is up for a last minute place at a super selective to join year two next year. Other DS is already at the school. DS (6) is currently at another selective pre prep so well prepared, very advanced in maths, reading etc. They want him in for half a day and the assessment with include some non-verbal reasoning, maths, English, staying for lunch etc

I would be so grateful for any advice you might have about how we can prepare him. Its such short notice he's going to have to wing it mostly, but is there anything we can to hone his skills last minute and get him in the right frame of mind?

Thank you so much for all your advice .. have scoured the thread already.

Chiffer Fri 15-Mar-13 09:32:52

And if anyone else has been through this I'd be soooo grateful if you could share your experiences...

Turniphead1 Fri 15-Mar-13 17:39:09

Ciffer - in your place I don't think you'd need to do much. In the case of a sibling who has already been "prepped" at a good "pre -prep" - and is working at a high level -sounds like he is in with a very good chance.
smile Good luck.

mumteacher Fri 15-Mar-13 22:38:16

Chiffer I have just had a student sit a non standard entry at a very selective nw london school and been called back for round 2 assessment out of 30 children sitting the assessment. There is only one vacancy at the school.
I am able to help but you would need to tell me which school and need a little more detail on your son.

Pm if you're not happy sharing here x

Chiffer Sat 16-Mar-13 10:44:47

Thank you both so much. Turniphead1 I really appreciate the encouragement.

The odds are not great and the head is encouraging everyone to hold out for the 7+ when at least there's a good number of places. Its only four more terms but we're going to give it a go. We'll go over the NVR but I'm looking for any tips to help him stand out!

mumteacher that is great for your student! It so hard. This is not a London school though it sounds very similar. I will pm you. Thank you again.

BookTab Sat 06-Apr-13 04:07:50

Mumteacher, how can I contact u personally for advice please?

AliM7482 Sat 06-Apr-13 22:23:10

Hi all, I have been reading this thread with great interest, and many thanks to all of you who have posted really helpful advice.
My eldest children (twins) are currently in Reception but we are hoping they will sit the 7+ assessments for our local very good and ultra selective private schools in SE London when the time comes.

I am feeling a bit low about their chances of success at the moment; obviously I think they're really bright and lovely kids, but we recently had a somewhat bruising experience at parents evening where we were told they both needed to be referred for speech therapy, one of them is very behind with number work, the other is behind with reading. DH thinks I should relax about it (he is the sensible one whereas I am the worrier, but that's another story)... Worth pointing out they are summer babies, born in July, so I guess they are bound to have some catching up to do.

I am just wondering whether, with the children who have been successful in getting in to their first choice of school at 7+, were they also academically outstanding at Reception (or even before then)? it would be really good to know if some others have had similar experiences and come out ok at the other end.

Morningnovice Sat 06-Apr-13 23:51:41

Hi, I have followed this thread with great interest. How do you find schools that have a 7+ entry exam for a particular area.

Thanks.

ThisOneAndThatOne Sun 07-Apr-13 17:41:40

Ali, our DTs got into Habs at 5+

It's almost impossible to get selective school advice and experience for twins. So I am more than happy to share my thoughts and experiences. Feel free to ask any questions or PM me.

Obviously 5+ and 7+ are very different assessments. 7+ is far more transparent in that you will probably get past papers and will be able to prepare far better.

DT2 has had speech therapy for the last year as I did not want him to fail just because he could not make himself understood. It ready helped his self confidence as well.

How do you do reading practice with them? One of mine is three bands above the other. And it's quite challenging to separate them for individual practice.

What is your plan if one gets in and the other does not?

ThisOneAndThatOne Sun 07-Apr-13 18:19:51

Ali, to answer some of your specific points ....

I think boys develop quite dramatically at this she and at different rates. The Habs head made quite a point in her chat to the parents that the boys will be quite different in two years time and do Nyone who was nog successful could try again at 7+. She said that so records of the 5+ would be destroyed and the boys assessed afresh at 7+.

There is some good advice about preparing for the 7+ on this thread. You just need to industrialise it for twins.

But your real challenge is not to get too stressed as the boys will pick up on it.

Good luck.

YPK1 Thu 16-May-13 09:45:05

Hello mumteacher,

I have seen your helpful advice and hoping you can help me as well please!
I have a 21 month old daughter (August born) so she will be quite young when doing the 4+ exams. She is not going to nursery yet, will start when she is 2. Can you pls give me some advice regarding activities I should do with her at home starting now?
Also we speak to her in 3 languages which means that she is not speaking too well yet... she understands them all but I am now worried this might impact her chances of getting accepted... what is your view pls on what I can do on this front to help her?
And last question, I see on the thread that many parents apply to St Helen's but there seems to be 2 schools called St. Helen's. One in Northwood and one in Uxbridge. Which one is "THE" St Helen's?

Thanks a million!!!

mumteacher Sun 19-May-13 23:46:30

Ypk1 the school is in northwood.

Speaking in many languages is great as long as one of them is English.
Puzzle,play dough, cutting, colouring, number recognition......obviously some of these activities your dd is currently too young for.

The main thing I would say is important is building her ability to sit at any activity for a length of time. If day one she plays with an activity for 3 mins, next time see if she can sit for 4 mins.

Concerntration and listening to instructions are key.

strawberryfields973 Wed 29-May-13 09:17:46

Hello mumteacher, thanks for starting such a useful thread. Do you have any experience with The Hall assessment. I am interested to know what do they expect of the boys at 4+.

newmem Wed 24-Jul-13 13:53:43

Hi mumteacher

My kids need help for 11+. Can you help or do you know anyone who can.

mumteacher Thu 25-Jul-13 23:49:00

Hi newmem I'm sorry I can't currently help but depending on where you are I may have a number for you. Pm me if you would like it x

Foxy10 Fri 30-Aug-13 22:06:30

Hi mumteacher,

Have been following your threads for years and good on you for sticking up for yourself when detractors try to hijack some of these threads that give valuable advice to parents. They forget that it is a free world and if someone decides to tutor their child from infancy then it is their choicesmile
Anyway I digress, have been given a number for a northwest tutor by a friend, was wondering if it's you...
I have got 5+ assessment in Jan for daughter for Habs & 3+ assessment for son St John/St Martin, please can you point me in the right direction? Thanks in anticipation.

mumteacher Mon 02-Sep-13 23:35:48

Foxy10 have pm'd you.

TeaJunky Tue 03-Sep-13 11:07:14

Hi OP,

I haven't read the full thread, just your initial post and afew narky posts after it, but I think it's wonderful that you are sharing your expertise. Good on you and thank you smile
So my question was, DD (starting nursery tomorrow) has got her head around the initial sounds. We've kind of gone over them a few times during the summer but I do feel she gets bored quickly as, well, it's not very exciting blush

So what kind of quick phonic activities can I do that are interesting and that will be effective?

Also, in her school report from nursery, 'knowledge of the world' area was emerging. How do I boost her knowledge on this? We do talk about things around us, seasons, transport etc but how else can I boost this knowledge in a creative way?

Many many thanks flowers

diva100 Tue 03-Sep-13 22:00:09

Hi mumteacher,

I have just come across your posts as I am seeking help/advice regarding the 7+.My daughter will be sitting for 2 schools-Bute house and Latymer prep in January. She attends a state school and I have been working with her so far, but I fear I may be letting her down without tutoring. Any help will be much appreciated. Thank hou.

mumteacher Wed 04-Sep-13 00:09:02

Teajunky is your DD sitting school assessments? It's unclear from your post.

TeaJunky Wed 04-Sep-13 12:36:23

Oops sorry! yes she will be next year hopefully...

MrRected Wed 04-Sep-13 12:41:50

I am overseas. This thread makes me feel queasy. Assessing 3&4 year olds? WTAF?

TeaJunky Wed 04-Sep-13 13:31:48

hmm Perhaps you shouldn't be living over the sea if you feel queasy m'dear grin

mumteacher Thu 05-Sep-13 00:13:28

Teajunky too funny!

A child can pick up phonics quickly it really doesn't take long but once they have the sounds under their belt it's about using them to build/ read words which takes a lot longer to achieve. Your Dd DOB will determine how 'reading ready' she'll need to be by the time the assessments come round.

Games:
I spy
Lets see how many things we can find in the kitchen/play room beginning with the sound....
The Montessori app is also great.

Just talking about weather (for example) isn't enough. Draw/paint/colour pictures of different weather/seasons.
Collect all the things you would need on a summers day and put them in one corner of the room - using the four corners of the room for the four seasons.
Maybe dress dolls in different outfits suited for different weather.
What do different animals do in cold/hot weather?
How is the food cycle (harvest..)relate to weather? plant seeds, cress is great because it is quick to grow and then of course you can use it in a meal.

When learning is fun and 'hands on' it's not so easily forgotten.

TweebSha Thu 05-Sep-13 11:42:42

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

mumof2funones Thu 05-Sep-13 15:41:50

mumteacher- I have read your advice and think that you are kind hearted parent who is helping those of us who just want the best for our kids.

My daughter is at St Helens, she got through the assessments with very little prep from me. She is a wilful and stubborn child, but incredibly bright and bores easily. She is quite happy there albeit that there are times I wonder if a mixed school would have been more appropriate. I didn't sit her for 4+ assessments at nlc and habs, but I am sitting her for 5+ at habs. Any help/advice would be really appreciated. She is very strong minded, so any coaching has to seem like it was her idea! She is very independent, and in many ways too much so.

My son is now due to sit his assessments for the st.johns/northwood prep/st martins trio. My concerns are that whilst he is quite bright, he does not like to share nor listen to instructions. Competition appears to be rampant, with what I understand is a "bumper" boys year... what can I do to help him?

many thanks!

mumof2funones Thu 05-Sep-13 16:02:48

and is it too late to get him some coaching...?

twinsgogo Thu 05-Sep-13 22:19:33

Hi Mumteacher
how can I get in touch with you offline?

mumteacher Sat 07-Sep-13 00:08:04

Mumof2funones have pm'd you.

mumteacher Mon 09-Sep-13 22:42:02

Twinsgogo have pm'd you.

september10 Tue 17-Sep-13 10:00:47

hi mumteacher. how can i get in touch with you offline? i have a 3yr old daughter

mumteacher Tue 17-Sep-13 23:39:14

September10 have pm'd you x

dGorgeous Wed 18-Sep-13 11:12:54

Hi mumteacher, I want to prepare my son for Habs 5+ and he is currently in reception (April baby). Are the bond 5-6 books good for preparations? I I checked the content of the bond books and they look so advanced for his age.

I will appreciate if you PM me on how to contact you privately.

mumteacher Fri 20-Sep-13 21:55:20

Have pm'd you dgorgeous

Nickname99 Tue 08-Oct-13 16:27:25

I happened on this thread while searching for something else. I don't have children of this age group and I have to admit to being shocked at the level of preparation/tuition for school exams talked about for some very little children. Tuition has been rife for 11+ for years, but 3+??

Having worked until recently for 8 years at one of the North London Girls' School Consortium schools mentioned in some of the comments, I can only say that some of the advice given here is definitely not correct. I can't comment on all inaccuracies, but what I would say is - yes, independent schools do not recommend tuition for their pupils - but they don't say this because "they have to say that don't they" - they say it because pupils at independent schools really don't need extra tuition. They're taught well and they achieve good results without it. Extra tuition can heap too much pressure on children.

The only other thing I'd say is - some of the parents on here sound desperate to get their children into one or other particular school, to the extent of getting tutoring for a 2 or 3 year old. Please be aware that - yes, there are many children at top North London independent schools being tutored on top of their school work, there are also a lot of children at these same schools who develop anxiety complexes, eating disorders and self-harming regimes. Although I worked at an independent school my children went to a state primary and a state comprehensive in outer London. One went on to Oxford and the other is currently undertaking a PhD at Imperial. It's not the end of the world if your child doesn't go to one of these very academic schools - with a solid, supportive, loving home background they can achieve anything (though I have to say that if they go to a comprehensive you may well have to get them some extra tutoring to cover the syllabus.

mumteacher Thu 10-Oct-13 23:13:47

I had a meeting with the Head teacher of a top London school last week and tutoring young children was on the agenda. The head explained that they didn't want children so young tutored. I asked if they could tell if a child had been tutored. The head said yes they could "every time". Which then led me to question why they take these tutored children on? If the school was so anti tutoring at this young age surely they should reflect that when making their selection. The Head was unable to elaborate..!

Nickname99 8 children in my daughters year are tutored. 5 out of choice and 3 on the schools recommendation. These 3 have been tutored out of school in a group. I know this because it was suggested to us by the school that my daughter would do well to join this group. We declined as we believe that like you say the teaching in the school should be enough but clearly it's not and when the school asks for extra support to be available out school most parent oblige.

hwjm1945 Fri 11-Oct-13 16:03:58

Hi
My two are sitting for St Albans Girls and St Ftancis' Letwchworth, for Sept 2014 entry into y5 and y4
Whihc BOND books do I use?

7-8 for one and 8-9 for the other? or abvoe?

Tableforfour Fri 11-Oct-13 20:59:00

I don't get this "tutoring is evil" attitude. All private schools take from "feeder" nurseries, where they essentially practise (or you could call it tutor.....) for the assessments all day every day from the September beforehand. What's the difference between that and a weekend tutor once a week?

Mummyoftheyear Fri 11-Oct-13 22:15:05

What a helpful post. Thank you.

Mummyoftheyear Fri 11-Oct-13 22:30:35

I'm a tutor, too. Happy to add my own top tips smile

Schmedz Sat 12-Oct-13 16:07:15

Nickname99 you are not alone!

What competitive madness has overtaken parenting when it is felt 'necessary' to prepare and bribe children to behave in a certain manner for the purposes of entering a particular institution?

mumteacher Sun 13-Oct-13 02:11:35

Mumoftheyear welcome aboard (the thread )! ;) As the assessments draw nearer it'll be great for parents to get your top tips x

Schmedz there is a more appropriate thread about the merits or not of tutoring young children that I started around the same time as this one.

I'm hoping this thread can still maintain its initial outlook to help support parents with advice from tutors and parents who have survived the journey! X

Mummyoftheyear Sun 13-Oct-13 07:52:05

;)

Tableforfour Sun 13-Oct-13 19:58:40

What competitive madness has overtaken parenting when it is felt 'necessary' to prepare and bribe children to behave in a certain manner for the purposes of entering a particular institution?

No one wants to do this stuff. But you have to work with the system you are in and, if all the state schools near you are poor, and all the private schools are uber selective, what choice do you have? Is it any worse than finding God in order to get your child into a good school? Plenty of people do that!

Schmedz Sun 13-Oct-13 22:12:18

It is just as bad IMHO.
I think it is sad people feel they 'have to' do it especially when schools can easily spot a tutored child and in reality, it actually counts against them in the selection process.

Tableforfour Sun 13-Oct-13 22:21:10

schools can easily spot a tutored child and in reality, it actually counts against them in the selection process.

Well in the recent round of 4+ tests I have been involved in, all the tutored children (I use tutored to encompass weekend tutoring and feeder nurseries as to my mind they are the same thing) got in to several schools and those who were at normal nurseries with no tutoring got one offer, low down their list of choices, or no offers. The schools may be able to spot it, but they still offer the children places.

Schmedz Sun 13-Oct-13 22:33:12

And yet ours doesn't...

Schmedz Sun 13-Oct-13 22:35:09

Mum teacher - would be grateful for the link to the alternative discussion to which you refer as I can't seem to find the appropriate thread.

mumteacher Sun 13-Oct-13 23:15:12

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/primary/1663735-Is-tutoring-for-3-4-5-7-now-the-norm

Definitely agree that there are too sides - and both very valid sides to this debate.

However the place for this discussion, I'm sure you'll agree is the link I have copied above.

sanam2010 Mon 14-Oct-13 06:31:45

Mumteacher, back to 4+ assessments, question about NLCS: would 4+ be mainly more local candidates. and 7+ from all over North London, or do people send their 4 year olds there even from Hampstead or Golders Green, for example? Also, if you don't yet live nearby but plan to move nearby in case DD gets into NLCS, would the school think parents are crazy? Do you think location might be taken into account in the 4+ in that they prefer families who won't need to subject their 4 year old to a long commute? Thanks!

horsemadmom Mon 14-Oct-13 06:43:32

They come from everywhere at 4+ and adjust to the journey very quickly. No preference for local girls. I do know one family who sent their DD at 4+ who lived in Chiswick and planned to move closer to the school as they weren't on a coach route. It took them 2 years to sell!

sanam2010 Mon 14-Oct-13 09:57:01

Horsemadmum, wow, from Chiswick!!! So at least it means I won't be the craziest for considering moving there ;-). We rent only so would be very easy for us, I just have a preference for being somewhere relatively close to Central London, that's the only constraint...

horsemadmom Mon 14-Oct-13 11:29:02

The school website has the coach routes. They reassess every year based on new joiners. Please bear in mind, age 4-7 they can take the coach in the am with a chaperone but may need to be collected. Parents are always interested in school run rotas so you don't have to drive every day.

mumteacher Mon 14-Oct-13 23:18:35

Yeah! Something we can agree on horsemadmum.

Sanam2010 the school in question is very fortunate that it receives applications from near and wide. The girls are therefore selected on merit and not location. Unlike Habs, nlcs girls can start using the coach service as soon as the parents feel the girls are ready and settled.

sanam2010 Tue 15-Oct-13 07:16:09

thanks horsemadmum and mumteacher! I did see the coach routes, I was simply wondering if perhaps people who lived in Highgate or Golders Green, for example, were more likely to keep their children at local schools till 7+, so that maybe mainly older children were using the bus. But I guess the NLCS name is so strong people will do a lot for their children to be able to attend. I am waiting for the outcome of the Bute House ballot :-), if news is bad (as is very likely), we'll try NLCS and move somewhere near.

horsemadmom Tue 15-Oct-13 11:51:24

It was the case before the move to 2 form entry that a lot of 7+ girls came from Hampstead surrounds. This changed when the 7+ intake was reduced and parents didn't feel they had the luxury to wait. BTW, the family from Chiswick were in your position. The coach is very sociable and the girls become self-sufficient very quickly.
Mumteacher, unless things have changed, it is the First School teachers who determine when a girl is ready to use the coach. They can also remove the privilege if a girl or her parents are uncooperative with their chaperone. It has happened.

SwimmingMom Wed 16-Oct-13 12:30:23

mumteacher, I know this is an old thread, but am wondering if you would be willing to share a few tips regarding 7+ entrance tests that my DD will be sitting in January 2014? We are attempting LEH, NHEHS and SHS. Thank you.

mumteacher Fri 18-Oct-13 15:21:26

Swimmingmum do you have particular concerns? ( it's such an old thread but since it's something people still find useful I do check back now and again I may start a new one for 2014 entry) x

SwimmingMom Sat 19-Oct-13 19:32:04

Am looking for advise on the LEH 7+ entrance coming up in Jan. I've got info from the school, but it appears to be deceptively simple, but I know they test for KS1, level 3. I need some info on what kind of maths problems to expect. Also, what kinds of story writing plus tips on practicing story writing.

teachermum - I've sent you a PM too.

mumteacher Sun 20-Oct-13 00:56:13

Just seen your pm swimmingmum. Busy for a couple of days but will def look up what info I have for you x

peppa2529 Tue 22-Oct-13 21:44:07

Hello Mumteacher! I would so love to speak with you should you find a few moments to spare - I appreciate how busy you are at this time of year! Your advice is invaluable and extremely generous, and if you could possibly send me a way to contact you privately, I would be very grateful. Kind regards!

subzerotemp Mon 28-Oct-13 14:25:46

Hello mumteacher, I'm in the same position as Swimmingmum - also applying for LEH, Jan 2014 exams.
Please could you let me have some tips on maths and English comprehension & story writing too. Thanks very much for your help!

newbiemum80 Mon 04-Nov-13 06:55:53

Hi mumteacher,

This is a great post - thank you! Can I ask please for 7+ entry at CLSG, JAGS and LEH, do you know what ballpark mark on the bond 6-7 maths, english and VR means you'll be in with a chance of passing the written assessments?

I've read on this thread that the bond papers are useful and on others that bond 7-8 is the right level. Do you know if that's the case please? confused If so, what's the level on 7-8? shock

Many thanks!

mumteacher Wed 06-Nov-13 18:08:36

Apologies for the delayed reply.

LEH work in accordance with the national curriculum for the junior school. They say level 3 but I have my 7+ Students pitch higher.

Story writing - go bk over this thread I've put story writing hill which is very useful for structure. Make sure a variety of story writing is practiced eg day at the beach, holidays, letter writing, postcard, space, storm...

Maths problems - start with one step eg a bus has 3 passengers at the next 2 get off how many are still on the bus? My students will be taught to solve two step problems by Jan.

Bond books 7-8 is a great place to be. The first 10 tests from 8-9 if the child is willing/able.

newbiemum80 Wed 06-Nov-13 21:10:57

Useful and scary! Thanks again.

subzerotemp Fri 08-Nov-13 09:32:03

Thank you for the tips mumteacher!

lovinglifex Fri 08-Nov-13 20:23:55

http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/primary/1905744-3-4-5-7-support-thread-2014

lovinglifex Fri 08-Nov-13 20:24:35
Goldie14 Thu 05-Dec-13 11:31:01

Hello
Mumteacher!
Thank you for posting this :-)

My son is in Y1 and I am a little stressed about 7+ having older child go through 11+ last year.

Do you think I can prepare my little one with past papers and general multiplication, division and times tables?
Also should I train him to write essays?
Some schools stopped non verbal, should I still buy Bond book?

Goldie14 Thu 05-Dec-13 11:51:43

Horsemadmum,

It's great that your dd is so intelligent!
Same sort of advice was given when I had no idea about 11+ exams �� I had six months to prepare my child. Thank God I didn't listen and believed the hype!
My son did get offers but not bursary because out of 300 applicants they can only offer 6 applicants :-(

doureine Sat 14-Dec-13 14:21:18

Hi Mumteacher!

Thank you sooo much for this very positive advice.

My daughter is sitting the 5+ habs in Jan and I have been tutoring her myself but I need more guidance on what I need to focus on and what sort of eustions they could ask her etc. Shes July born and a bit immature but very bright! Your help will be much appreciated if you could email me. hdoureine@aol.com

Thanks again smile

Dou

mumteacher Sat 14-Dec-13 16:51:08
mumteacher Sat 14-Dec-13 16:58:55

Goldie14 - yes in the maths front inc problem solving.

Story writing leave till a little later although you can start with writing interesting sentences with adjectives to describe every noun in the sentence. If you insist on every noun in every sentence being described then when it does come to story writing under time pressure hopefully there will be a few! ;)

I always cover some VR skills.

MummyZu Sun 15-Dec-13 01:06:04

Hi mumteacher I read this thread from a year ago and I have a DD who will be sitting the 4+ assessment at NLCS this January and wondered if you could help prepare her even with just a few private tutorial sessions?

MummyZu Sun 15-Dec-13 01:07:42

Sorry I meant a thread from a year ago not this particular thread!

Spekes67 Wed 01-Jan-14 21:35:58

Hi mumteacher
I read this thread today and I have a DD who will be sitting for 5+ assessment any advice on 5+ would really appreciate .

Blissbird Thu 09-Jan-14 20:52:29

Hi mumteacher

I am looking for a tutor for my 5 year old son. He is at a Hampstead school and needs support but not to get through the 7+, just to turn on his enthusiasm for learning again. In a way that is kind and friendly with lots of encouragement which is the opposite of what he is experiencing at school at the moment . Can you recommend anyone? Thank you in anticipation of your reply

gemsept Tue 14-Jan-14 17:04:14

Hi, my daughter has just been asked back for a 2nd assessment at channing. She hasn't been tutored and I really want to Know if you have any idea what they look for at these assessments. Huge thanks

mbat2 Thu 23-Jan-14 11:47:53

Thanks for all the post from mumteacher reg 7+ ...gathered a lot of info .Unfortunately My dd didn't get through 7+ for habs 1st round...

orthodoc Sat 25-Jan-14 10:47:52

mumteacher...I have sent you a pm. Will be grateful if you can have a look please.
Thanks

BobAli1 Wed 29-Jan-14 00:37:35

Blissbird please pm me if you are still looking for a tutor

adas8495 Wed 12-Feb-14 14:33:48

Hi mumteacher ,

My dd will be sitting for St. Helens 3+ assesment next year . Please can you advice .

Thanks

aparna123 Tue 18-Feb-14 20:58:52

Can any one help me as to which schools are the best near Pinner for boys? We may be shifting this sept..Any advise on St Johns?

divday Sun 02-Mar-14 21:38:07

Hi Mumsteacher,

I desperately looking for Tutor going child year after next and unfortunately I am new to this website and haven't come across your profile to send a personal message. I appreciate you are maxed out but I am more than happy to wait. Could you please help? My email address is divday@gmail.com

JellyBubbles Mon 21-Apr-14 22:12:05

Hi MumTeacher,

Would you have any advice for our DS who we'd like to sit the 3+ for St Johns, Reddiford and possibly St Martins?
He is a bright boy, his speech and vocabulary are amazing and he's pretty clued up. Not the sportiest person but interested in a wide range of things. My only real concern is that he takes a while to 'warm up' in new settings and with new ppl - he's not the kind of boy who will charge in and grab toys etc. But if he was spoken to , he'd be able to demonstrate just how bright he.
I wonder which school might suit him more too?

Any thought and tops will be much appreciated

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