Complete madness - rules are so stupid they have to be true!

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SittingBull Mon 03-Dec-12 05:06:19

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SittingBull Mon 03-Dec-12 05:07:40

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merrymouse Mon 03-Dec-12 07:52:43

Was there a cartwheel related incident?

poppy283 Mon 03-Dec-12 07:55:36

When I was at secondary school the word 'bof' was banned, and you had to take your coat off the very moment you entered the building.

SittingBull Mon 03-Dec-12 08:04:19

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mam29 Mon 03-Dec-12 08:04:24

My dd has done gym since age 3 and can do carwtheels but many her age in year 1/2couldent she even tried being cart weheel teacher last summer when they were allowed to play on the feild.

Guessing its some kind of accident.

Trying to think of some but my dd not been at new school long.

Old school was rc so couldent say omg even in this house as was disrespectful to god.

we not catholic.

ohh i remembered one when we looked ound new school they were playing with beads to which dd said they not allowed in her school they dangerous and might fall on carpet this is in year 1 and 2.

Think some schools can be health and safety mad and risk adverse.

It disrespectful to blaspheme.

Floralnomad Mon 03-Dec-12 08:10:37

I would doubt that's the real reason , more likely that someone showing off how well they can do a cartwheel and round off ( whatever that is) kicked somebody else in the face . Most H & S things at schools are just gossip and hearsay .

You would all love dds school, my friends boy at another school can't believe dd can take her scooter to school and ride it in playground asking for accident , play conkers, do cartwheels, roll down grass hills.

clam Mon 03-Dec-12 10:24:19

If you're talking about in the playground, I would say it's pretty standard to ban it - they don't look where they're going and career into people and faces get kicked. Ditto handstands - but there's also a shedload of complaints on here about girls upending themselves showing their knickers to everyone.

One could argue that it's a bit over the top, but I wouldn't say it's "complete madness."

Houseworkprocrastinator Mon 03-Dec-12 10:31:38

Cartwheels/handstands banned in my child's school too. I remember the game British Bulldogs being banned when i was young and also push pops (not sure why)

ISeeSmallPeople Mon 03-Dec-12 10:34:06

We've had 3 broken arms from playground cartwheel incidents this term.
it's not my school is it?

Fifis25StottieCakes Mon 03-Dec-12 10:39:58

They are banned at my school, i find it all utterly ridiculous. We used to play british bulldog and kiss cuddle and torture when i was in primary school. Nanny state

Bluebell99 Mon 03-Dec-12 10:40:12

Our school has fleeces as part of the uniform. Alot of children wear them as an alternative to a jumper or cardigan. The new head has decreed that they can only be worn to and from school. That was a waste of £13 then! My child already has a coat to wear to and from school. She also banned playing football in the playground. Only allowed on the field, and children only allowed on the field when dry in summer. That didn't go down well.

MrsMushroom Mon 03-Dec-12 10:40:55

A recelption child ran into my DD also reception today and a teacher shouted No bumping into one another!

hmm I'm sure that's not a rule but it certainly sounded like one!

Fifis25StottieCakes Mon 03-Dec-12 10:41:02

scooters are also banned and conkers

ImperialSantaKnickers Mon 03-Dec-12 10:41:31

I remember someone breaking an arm during a particularly vigorous, whole school involved, game of British Bulldog. It was banned after that - 1970's.

Fifis25StottieCakes Mon 03-Dec-12 10:44:15

saying that i did actually break my arm 3 times whilst in primary school, once doing that thing where you put your coat over your head and try and take off in the wind running down the hill . Once on a skiddy patch and once playing dizzy ducklings

wheresthebeach Mon 03-Dec-12 10:50:56

Yep banned at our school too. Although I don't think the kids are taking any notice! School terrible at monitoring playground.

BalloonSlayer Mon 03-Dec-12 10:51:46

My DD can only do cartwheels at school if she is wearing shorts under her skirt.

It's the rules.

I was ordered (by DD) to go out and buy her some cycling shorts specially for the cartwheeling season.

ChestnutsRoastingonaWitchesTit Mon 03-Dec-12 10:55:25

After a boy got a busted cheekbone in a snowball fight they were banned for one playtime at our school, then reinstated with the proviso that kids should not "bloody well put rocks in em, you bunch of reprobates".

Aaah the eighties.

Ineedalife Mon 03-Dec-12 12:20:07

At Dd3's old school she was once told that she couldnt wear a red hairband because it wasnt school colours, she was made to take it off and her hair was flopping in her eyes all dayconfused

At her new school it is socks!! The children are only allowed to wear grey, white or black, even under trousers. I am sorry but I really dont understandhmm

Then again Dd3 does have ASD so if someone tells her something is a rule then it is set in stone for ever!

Houseworkprocrastinator Mon 03-Dec-12 12:22:09

Fifi... you must have gone to a nice school. we had kiss KICK or torture... smile

I think we also had yo-yos banned at one point, this was when you got them free by collecting the tabs from the top of coke cans. but i can see their point 100 children all trying to do 'round the world' at the same time cant be safe.

clam Mon 03-Dec-12 12:39:43

fifi You might think it utterly ridiculous for teachers to ban British Bulldog, but then maybe you've never been the one to be picking up all the pieces from the smaller, frailer kids who've been barged to the ground by a stampeding crowd of large Year 6s playing it.

Fifis25StottieCakes Mon 03-Dec-12 13:02:02

I do think its ridiculous, obviously british bulldogs not a good idea but banning cartwheels IMO and so is some of the other stuff, there's quite a big list at my kids school like not being able to go on the grass and no footballs

Fifis25StottieCakes Mon 03-Dec-12 13:03:17

I didn't say it was ridiculous to ban british bull dog, you need to read my post

Ineedalife we have had that one. Dd had a school colour hair band at her old school that had five tiny different coloured spots in the bow part.

I am yet to find out why five tiny white spots on a blue hair and was so offensive!

Band not and

Not quite a rule but I remember the deputy head at my high school preaching to us how we should only buy and wear British made products and clothing. My friends and I then pointed out that the blazers that we had to have from a certain shop with the school logo on and had to wear at all times what ever the weather were made in China. We all started to agree with his statements and began to remove our blazers while checking the other compulsory uniform. He changed his tune and backtracked with remarkable speed. The whole thing tickles me still today rather too many years later small mind

British bulldog was banned at my primary after one too many broken bones but conkets, cartwheels and hole school games of hide and seek that lasted whole afternoons when the teachers didn't have the heart to stop play were fine.

Conkers and whole blush

juniper904 Mon 03-Dec-12 19:13:14

You only need to read the AIBU threads to understand why schools ban these things.

You may say it's utterly ridiculous at the moment, but if it were your DC being injured, you'd be outraged that the school weren't adequately safe guarding. Unfortunately, we live in a suing, blame fuelled culture.

There are lots of safety rules for teachers too. No hot drinks in the classroom makes sense, but it makes wet play ie no break a bit of a downer.

TheNebulousBoojum Mon 03-Dec-12 19:24:46

Very patchy though, we are allowed hot drinks in class.

I agree that some rules seem daft, but the over-cautiousness came as a response to threats and complaints from parents over incidents that were often relatively minor. Or sometimes from our Overlords in government. I've seen it become more of a straightjacket over the last three decades.
It's just the easy answer, child gets injured, parent gets their knickers in a twist over visible knickers, child A kicked by child B who was doing a cartwheel.
Parent emails, or orders a meeting to complain?
No problem, we are sorry it happened and the activity is now banned.
The number of parental complaints over very small incidents has rocketed too.

juniper904 Mon 03-Dec-12 19:28:06

What are you cross about?

clam Mon 03-Dec-12 20:10:25

Not being allowed to go on the grass? Well, that surely depends on the time of year. Ours aren't allowed at the moment - as they then slip and slide and traipse clumps of the stuff back into school onto the carpets, which other kids have to sit on. It also turns grassed areas into the Somme.

It's a very lazy cliche to assume that all schools are just miserable killjoys for the sake of it. Behind every 'ban' or rule that seems "complete madness" or "nanny state" lies a host of parental complaints that have forced the Head's hand, as nebulous points out. Plus a fair few avoidable injuries.

A little different, but a "banning" none the less, only it's parents this time.

I was banned from walking 50 yards through the playground (not through classrooms or indoors or anything) to an outdoors classroom hut where playgroup was being held after dropping DD off at school. Instead I had to walk about 500 yards back out of the school, right round the outside, against the massive flow of parents and children and a busy bus stop (all with my pushchair) and 3 year old in tow and go in through a side gate instead. Same goes for all the other parents dropping their children off so I wasn't singled out.

The reason for this is apparently because some parents at the playgroup may not have children at the school(!) I asked what that had to do with me, given I had every right to be in the playground dropping DD off and he said that was the policy, and because of these imaginary non-school parents (everyone at playgroup has a child at the school there) only the side entrance nearest the hut must be used for playgroup and nobody was to walk across the playground they were legally entitled to be in anyway in order to get there.

I didn't mind the extra walk particularly (heck, I walk 40 miles a week with that pushchair) but I loathe truly illogical rules.

So I very politely queried the logic of the rule with a big friendly smile on my face, asking if maybe it was insurance reasons or something and presumably because there was no logical comeback to such a stupid bloody rule he turned all patronising and said "So basically you want us to change the rules just so it suits you personally, do you?" angry

Jobsworth wanker.

HassledHasASledge Mon 03-Dec-12 20:15:40

98% of all school accidents are a direct result of playing Bulldog. Truefact.

TheNebulousBoojum Mon 03-Dec-12 20:17:26

98% of all ridiculous and unnecessary rules imposed by schools are a direct response to ridiculous and unnecessary complaints from parents. Truefact.

stella1w Mon 03-Dec-12 20:18:42

Children not allowed to use climbing frame while being supervised by theor own parents eg. On a school tour due to health and safety

TheNebulousBoojum Mon 03-Dec-12 20:23:36

On a school tour?
They would have had to complete a detailed risk assessment that would not have covered the climbing frame, and the fact that you were supervising your own children would not have negated the school's responsibility.
Plus what about all the other children who might have wanted to turn somersaults without their parents and couldn't?
Bit selfish to allow one set and not all, don't you think?

clam Mon 03-Dec-12 20:23:45

Because, stella if it's officially a school trip, then officially the school is responsible if the child has an accident while the parent is looking the other way and chatting.

Do you think we teachers want all this nonsense? We're the ones filling in all the bloody ridiculous risk assessment forms.

TheNebulousBoojum Mon 03-Dec-12 20:24:49

No, yet again it is one parent thinking about their child alone, to the exclusion of the others, clam.

clam Mon 03-Dec-12 20:28:10

Agree. Turning cartwheels in the privacy and space of your own garden is totally different from trying them out on a crowded field/playground with hundreds of children charging around not looking where they're going.

HanSolo Mon 03-Dec-12 20:31:38

Whatever is dizzy ducklings?

TheNebulousBoojum Mon 03-Dec-12 20:58:09

My guess would be the game where a child spins round and round until they fall over, It's been popular since before the 15th century.

clam Mon 03-Dec-12 21:05:51

Only nowadays, falling over requires a 'bumped head' slip filled in in triplicate, so that little game's not long for this world in the school playground either.
And you can call me a killjoy if you like, but I'd stop children playing this if I saw it. Along with the one where they hold their breath for as long as they can to see if they can faint!
Pah! Nanny state, eh?

juniper904 Mon 03-Dec-12 21:06:01

Our school outdoor equipment broke when children were using it, 'supervised' by adults, outside of school time.

It's going to cost thousands to replace, and it's lucky no-one was hurt. I'm sure it would have been school's fault, somehow.

picketywick Tue 04-Dec-12 14:39:55

Didnt a recent head have a rule that children should walk in single file all over. And also recite a school motto in the mornings.

perplexedpirate Tue 04-Dec-12 15:46:56

I do live the wording of 'no child shall be inverted'. Could be the school motto. I wonder what it is in Latin?

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