Music in the primary curriculum?

(64 Posts)
beautifulgirls Sun 11-Nov-12 18:11:36

Specifically DD is now in year 3 (KS2) and as far as I can make out from her they do no class music lessons, but according to her they have whole school (yr3-6) singing assembly once a week and they are told this is their music lesson. No instruments of any sort involved and according to DD (so may not be accurate) they don't have any additional lessons in other years above her either.

If the above according to DD is correct then is this within guidelines for school music provision? It seems to me to be fairly lacking really.

GrrrArghZzzzYaayforall8nights Sun 11-Nov-12 18:40:27

Depends on how it is being done. There are now curriculums for music specifically designed to be voice only and fit larger groups (see Jolly Music for a good Kodaly based one) both due to the current economic condition and to ensure all children can have good musical knowledge with their own free instrument. You'd need more details.

bowerbird Sun 11-Nov-12 20:23:58

Grrr is correct. Just because it doesn't involve an instrument, doesn't mean it isn't serious. Singing is the basis of any serious music education. Done well, you would learn the building blocks of music: pitch, rhythm, and melody; eventually leading to sight-singing and ability to read music.

Also, I have to say that many instrumental programmes in state schools aren't very good. Could I ask whereabouts are you? There may be a youth orchestra or some local government/council funded initiative. If you're very keen for DD to learn an instrument, you may do better exploring those options than depend on a state school music programme to deliver isntrumental tuition.

Good luck!

mrz Sun 11-Nov-12 20:27:47

many schools use the singup programme

ReallyTired Sun 11-Nov-12 20:32:48

That does sound appauling, but school music is rarely well taught. The range of ablity is just too great in a typical primary school. Even private schools struggle as the divide between children learning music outside school and everyone else is too vast. A lot of primary schools have no clue how to teach singing. Primary school singing often sounds terrible as a result.

Ds school does music and its mostly singing, although they did do recorder for a year in year 3. If you want your children do music then a lot of councils have a saturday morning music school. Both my children do county run music activites outside school. Ds has a 20 minute individual guitar lesson through school.

mrz Sun 11-Nov-12 20:39:22

We teach Ocarinas in KS1 Recorders Clarinet, Saxophone, Violin, Cello, Cornet, keyboard and have a Ukelele choir,as well as singing

clam Sun 11-Nov-12 20:48:50

Ask at the school to verify what your dd is saying. If it's correct, it doesn't sound good to me. Even if that singing assembly is bloody good, it still wouldn't tick all the boxes.

beautifulgirls Sun 11-Nov-12 20:49:13

I will have a proper chat with the school and find out more I think about what is actually happening. I am not so worried re DD1 as she is not especially musically inclined, but DD2 loves the music lessons she does at her current (infant only with a dedicated music teacher) school. There is as far as I can tell no music teacher in the Junior school and it seems such a contrast to the sort of thing they did for KS1 which was much more like what I had expected. I am not sure how 280+ children together doing a bit of singing in a hall can really be a music lesson, though I can see on a smaller scale how the programmes suggested above would work.

CanIHaveAPetGiraffePlease Sun 11-Nov-12 20:53:58

I'm curious about this too in that my daughter has done a fantastic pre-school music programme, and is about to go off to state school. I'm not musical myself so I have no idea how to support her other than to pay a lot for private tuition - but not sure I want to start that so young!

alcofrolic Sun 11-Nov-12 21:38:56

mrz, is that a list of private lessons, or is that open to anyone?

RaspberryLemonPavlova Sun 11-Nov-12 22:59:11

We are extremely fortunate with our state junior school, but I know this is not the case everywhere. They have weekly very good curriculum music lessons, with one of the two teachers in school who are music specialists, weekly school singing, weekly free recorder lessons in ability groups for the whole four years of KS2, (you do have to buy the recorder), and access to paid for piano, guitar, brass, woodwind and violin lessons. There is an extra-curricular school choir which is inclusive to all above Y4, an orchestra (which includes recorders and percussion so is accessible to everyone) and a woodwind ensemble.

mrz Mon 12-Nov-12 17:33:27

no alcofrolic they are open to anyone from Y1 upwards (obviously clarinet saxophone children need to be physically able to reach the keys and usually best if they have front teeth)

alcofrolic Mon 12-Nov-12 18:55:36

mrz Mon 12-Nov-12 19:02:28

They pay a small fee for keyboard lessons and Glee club

alcofrolic Mon 12-Nov-12 19:21:31

'......Clarinet, Saxophone, Violin, Cello, Cornet,......'

you mean those lessons shock
How does that work?

mrz Mon 12-Nov-12 19:31:04

The children get a letter and if they are interested they put their name down and get a weekly lesson.

alcofrolic Mon 12-Nov-12 19:41:44

Free lunches and free music lessons?
.....when we have no hot lunches whatsoever, miniscule (and rapidly decreasing) subsidies from the Music Service and pressure from all quarters to tutor you child from the womb for the 11+.........

Money buys it all down here. I'm going to ship all our poor kids up north. sad

DeWe Mon 12-Nov-12 19:43:49

The junior school my dd2 is in is lucky in that it's large enough to support a full time music teacher. All classes get 1 lesson (about 1hr) a week.
In year 3 all do the recorder as part of this hour.
In year 4 each child gets to learn another instrument (trumpet, french horn, flute, clarinet, euphonium, trombone) as a whole (or in some cases half) class. This costs around £20 for the instrument hire for the year plus lessons. There is an option to continue learning it the next year (again as a group) (think this is county wide idea)

Individual lessons are around £11 each, pay by the term, and can learn: piano, violin (and other string-one learnt the double base for a time), guitar, percussion, as well as the other instruments mentioned above.

Also run by the music teacher is choir (open to everyone), boys choir (very popular, partually because they get to miss assemblygrin), audition choir (30 children), recorder clubs done by year and "orchestra"-open to anyone who learns any instrument and is either grade 1 or has been learning a year (although I suspect if a child who didn't learn anything wanted to join she would find something for them as she's very good at including them).

There's concerts 1-2 times a term, plus the audition choir does a lot of external concerts. Some of the external concerts are also open to year 5 and 6 regular choir attenders.

mrz Mon 12-Nov-12 19:44:20

My LEA used to provide free school meals for all pupils but that stopped in September due to budget cuts.
We have a number of talented musicians on our staff and our business manager managed to secure grants for instruments.

alcofrolic Mon 12-Nov-12 19:57:29

We have a very active orchestra (run by our strings teacher), but inevitably it turns into a very elite club of children whose parents can afford the lessons (apart from recorders, which is run by a mum and TA).
Unfortunately, we couldn't afford PE AND music tuition in PPA time, so teachers all teach their own music.

Saying that, two members of staff are teaching whole class ukulele and one teaches drums, but they are just a step ahead of the children IYSWIM. A few years ago, we took part in a county-wide initiative for whole class drum lessons, but these cost £3000 for one year group for the year.

I often think I live in the wrong county.

mrz Mon 12-Nov-12 20:02:32

We don't use tutors for PPA cover (in KS2 PPA is usually covered by our science teacher) and in KS1 Forest school. Music and PE tuition are usually outside normal teaching hours.

BrigitBigKnickers Mon 12-Nov-12 20:32:44

This is a big bug bear of mine.

My DDs had virtually no class music lessons- a bit of singing for school plays (not every year) and half a term of recorders in year 4.

Neither of them laid a hand on so much as a tambourine for the four years they were there. There were no opportunities to compose or peform on tuned or untuned percussion instruments and the school orchestra was full of children who had private lessons (and this is what OFSTED saw so naturally they though the music was outstanding...) I complained about it every time we were sent a parent questionaire.

I am a music co-ordinator in a regular common or garden Junior school. Many of our parents can't afford private lessons but there are some amazingly able children- why shouldn't they have the opportunity to develop their skills?

All of our pupils have around three quarters of an hour to an hour music lesson per week.Our year 3s learn the recorder, Year 4s have guitar lessons (with a visiting specialist) Years five and six follow two music schemes which have have activities which include the use of instruments and singing- they are perfectly easy to follow for the non-specialist.

None of the class teachers in my school are music specialists but they all give it a good go. It is perfectly possible to differentiate music activities for a wide range of abilities.

We have a school choir, recorder groups, a brass club, a ukele club and a school orchestra which comprises some children who have lessons, some from the recorder groups and some who have been spotted in their mainstream lessons as having potential.

Schools wouldn't not do Art, PE or DT-Why is music so often maligned and ignored- it is a part of the curriculum that should be taught every week.

ReallyTired Mon 12-Nov-12 20:40:40

"None of the class teachers in my school are music specialists but they all give it a good go. It is perfectly possible to differentiate music activities for a wide range of abilities."

Ds's school has a girl who is ten years old and a grade 7 pianist. How does a non music specialist differentiate for her? She doesn't know how to sing, but most primary school teacher have no clue how to teach singing. (Listen to a typical primary school concert to hear what I mean!)

lingle Mon 12-Nov-12 21:12:03

"Ds's school has a girl who is ten years old and a grade 7 pianist. How does a non music specialist differentiate for her? "

give her the accompanist's part so she can play the piano whilst the others sing. Chances are it'll be a steep learning curve..

Tgger Mon 12-Nov-12 21:13:07

Get her to play from ear lots of popular children's songs. Chances are she is a good reader but hasn't developed this side of things grin.

Limelight Mon 12-Nov-12 21:20:49

OP where are you based? A lot of this depends on whether or not your school has a Service Level Agreement with its local Music Education Hub (what used to be Music Service). If it doesn't, my first question to your Head would be why not and what provision do they have in place instead?

It might be worth having a read of the National Plan for Music Education to see what provision your DC is entitled to. Look at the 'core roles' in particular.

Hoped that's helpful.

lingle Mon 12-Nov-12 21:21:06

So Mrz are you saying there is a woodwind club on a Tuesday lunchtime, a string club on a Wednesday lunchtime and a cornet club on a Friday lunchtime, all of which are free? Presumably your teachers are not so blessed with free time that they spend the week doing one-to-one clarinet lessons gradually working round all 150+ pupils? Though come to think of it, that might not be a bad thing smile. We have done a free violin club and a free flute club but have moved towards targetting children whom music might particularly benefit.

Anway, agree with everyone else that good singing teaching is foundational, and its importance shouldn't be underestimated. We do have a free orchestra (any KS2 child, any instrument or none, no requirement to have formal lessons but the teachers keep a careful eye out for promising children with no hope of paid lessons and I then take them on). But everything we have achieved in instrumental music (I have 43 in my KS2 orchestra, all of whom come to school voluntarily half an hour early) is built on the idea of applying the musicianship principles that come from good singing instruction.

lingle Mon 12-Nov-12 21:22:17

or what Tgger said. Honestly, a grade 7 pianist would not be a problem to accomodate for us.

Limelight Mon 12-Nov-12 21:22:34
lingle Mon 12-Nov-12 21:29:50

"We have a very active orchestra (run by our strings teacher), but inevitably it turns into a very elite club of children whose parents can afford the lessons"

that's a bit naff. primary schools should be about inclusion. We have six on the cello in orchestra, 3 pay for lessons, 3 don't.

lingle Mon 12-Nov-12 21:31:50

Oops, just realised I am wittering on about what we do, whereas Limelight is actually answering the OP's question.blush

Tgger Mon 12-Nov-12 21:34:35

Don't worry lingle, fascinating as always to read about what you are up to. smile

mrz Mon 12-Nov-12 21:48:49

No lingle we don't have 150+ wanting to learn to play instruments so the issue hasn't arisen. Some, like me are musically challenged.

lingle Mon 12-Nov-12 22:08:31

lol at musically challenged, I'm sure you must use music in class though, you are probably much better than you think in the most important skills.

I love it when our teachers suddenly realise that most of what I'm doing is something they're already experts in smile Sometimes the non-musician teachers grasp what we do in the orchestra much quicker than the trained musicians (who tend to get a bit distracted by the whole reading music debate).

wigglesrock Mon 12-Nov-12 22:14:27

My dd (7) in her fourth year of primary school - everyone does singing and the tin whistle. The school offers violin and cello for those that are interested free of charge one lunchtime a week and there are piano lessons available from P4 upwards at a substantially reduced cost.

alcofrolic Mon 12-Nov-12 22:19:00

Lingle, do you run one of these orchestras where it's a kind of free-for-all, or do you follow music?
We use music, so I'm not sure how we could accommodate non-cello players on cello?

Namechangeforapropertythread Mon 12-Nov-12 23:47:44

Mrz I love your posts and I want to send my children to your school!!

mrz Tue 13-Nov-12 07:45:11

I do use music but have absolutely no sense of rhythm (I'm dyspraxic) my friend who is a vocal coach made my day telling me I can actually sing in tune grin

lingle Tue 13-Nov-12 11:31:45


Rudolph red nosed reindeer.
1. take one child with no prior experience and give them a cello. Put it on the floor the first time. show them the outside string that makes the lowest note.
2. now get them to pluck that string rhythmically, first with you, then while you tap the beat but sing the Rudolph verse.
3 write down the word nose.
4. tell them when they reach the word "nose" they have to flip up to the next string and carry on staying there. Demonstrate how wrong it sounds if you sing "nose" whilst still playing the outside string.
5. write down the word glows.
6. tell them when they reach "glows" they have to flip down again and carry on.
7. ditto names
8. ditto games
9. now the whole thing with you doing the same but singing the words.
10. now the whole thing with you doing the same but a.n. other child playing the tune on the recorder and you singing the words.
11. now the whole thing with the whole orchestra with you singing just "had a very shiny.....!" as a cue for the changes.

Week two: same thing, but now with the cello between their legs.
Week three: same thing
Week four. The midde section. easy. CCCCGGC. now flip up and do the same thing: GGGGDDG.

This is how guitarists have learnt for centuries.

lingle Tue 13-Nov-12 11:43:28

to answer the question alcofrolic, we sometimes use notation, we sometimes don't. If we do use notation, we email a free-to-download copy to parents so they can hear it on their computers at home ( - there is no need to spend money on Sibelius).

there is nothing free-for-all though about the pieces where we don't use notation. these just key into things children can do that you can't write down. Every single child instantly played the riff of Smoke on the Water with the rhythm entirely correct the very first time we attempted it - it was somehow built into their brain/a part of our invisible culture in this country. But only the ones whose parents actually looked at the youtube videos demonstrating the pentatonic scale figured out how to play a solo over that riff.

I feel strongly that children shouldn't always be stuck with a score, that a score should just be a starting point. I wrote out "Three Little Birds" ("Don't worry about a thing") and some of the children put their hands up to say "can I play the "do do do dooo do dodo"? and if they could figure out the notes I said yes - and suddenly you're not just playing something, you're making music and the children are making musical judgments.

Sometimes though it's just a cacophony and complete disaster but I am an optimist so tend not to post on mumsnet after those rehearsals.

lingle Tue 13-Nov-12 11:47:07

Mrz sorry for the ignorant question - how does dyspraxia affect rhythm? Is it to do with not being able to tap out a beat?

ReallyTired Tue 13-Nov-12 14:49:21

My brother is very dyspraxic and he has no problem with reading. He is a good violinist, but found learning to read music hard. He is very good at playing by ear.

I think that having a good sense of rhythm is auditory perception rather than coordination. I agree that reading music should not be introduced too early. Its boring learning music theory.

ReallyTired Tue 13-Nov-12 14:51:08

Sorry I mean that my brother has no problem with rhythmn, no reading. Being able to tap out a beat doesn't require that strong coordination.

Beanbagz Tue 13-Nov-12 15:15:53

My Y3 DS has music lessons on alternate weeks throughout the year and all children in the school learn to play the recorder for 2 years.

They also have a 'singing session' for Y3-Y6 once a week with extra practice for Christmas & end of year shows.

The senior school we're looking at (for him and older DD) has 2 music lessons a week and all children learn guitar & keyboard in lessons smile

Namechangeforapropertythread Tue 13-Nov-12 17:12:01

In a state school?!

Beanbagz Tue 13-Nov-12 17:15:48

No, there's no specialist music school near us.

mrz Tue 13-Nov-12 17:21:45

ReallyTired from the Dyspraxia Foundation


People who have dyspraxia often find the routine tasks of daily life such as driving, household chores, cooking and grooming difficult. They can also find coping at work is hard. People with dyspraxia usually have a combination of problems, including:
Gross motor co-ordination skills (large movements):

Poor balance. Difficulty in riding a bicycle, going up and down hills
Poor posture and fatigue. Difficulty in standing for a long time as a result of weak muscle tone. Floppy, unstable round the joints. Some people with dyspraxia may have flat feet
Poor integration of the two sides of the body. Difficulty with some sports involving jumping and cycling
Poor hand-eye co-ordination. Difficulty with team sports especially those which involve catching a ball and batting. Difficulties with driving a car
Lack of rhythm when dancing, doing aerobics
Clumsy gait and movement. Difficulty changing direction, stopping and starting actions
Exaggerated 'accessory movements' such as flapping arms when running
Tendency to fall, trip, bump into things and people

The statements in bold describe me ... I even fell during my dyspraxia therapy training hmm

mrz Tue 13-Nov-12 17:43:44

on top of that I have problems with tasks that require using both hands, no dominant hand , difficulty distinguishing sounds from background noise and copying sounds.

alcofrolic Tue 13-Nov-12 19:02:19

lingle that sounds great - thanks for explaining.

I think there should be a music specialist in every school - it's a subject that needs understanding to teach properly. Anyone can pick up 'Musical Express' and follow a lesson plan, but very few people know how to teach singing, etc, properly. (I am in awe of people who can.)

Tgger Tue 13-Nov-12 22:02:02

It sounds fab lingle. You are very lucky to have cellos available- how did you get those? I have to get parents to buy/hire for my pupils and it ain't cheap shock.

lingle Tue 13-Nov-12 22:28:46

we've been given two, we rented two from the LEA and two are rented by parents.

Of course, it comes from working part-time with the kids being a bit older - you have that leisure time to find out about local charities/find out where the disbanded orchestras are and network/hobnob.... you know how it is.

cellos are great though - just open string pizzicato really turns stuff into music in a way that similar violin work doesn't. And there is something magical about them that appeals to many children.

Tgger Tue 13-Nov-12 22:38:54

Go cellos!

morethanpotatoprints Tue 13-Nov-12 22:46:00


You have my sympathy, so many laugh at dispraxic tendancies and its not always so funny. I can't be trusted with a shopping trolley and don't drive. I was given a different classroom during an Ofsted inspection (FE, not primary). I fell over so many chairs and eventually slid under a table. My line manager not realising my problems suspended me as he thought i'd been in the pub during lunch time. It was all sorted, but very humiliating. sad

Musically, with dyspraxia and dyslexia I experienced no problems and could read music well before school. Reading books however, was a lot different. grin

The music at dds school was practically non existant until y4 when you could join a half hearted choir and in y5 play an instrument for one year, it had to be brass.
She asked to become H.ed to enable her to study and practice music. Not a step I suggest others take, its just her goals, drive, and ambition come from music and it is a shame if they really want to do it and there aren't the resources through school.

beautifulgirls Tue 13-Nov-12 22:46:34

Gosh, only just come back to the thread - thank you for all the posts, especially limelight - we are in Kent. I am not aware of any links out of school for music that they have. At the start of term we were told a woodwind teacher would be doing a demo for the children and then the parents with an option for some children to have private lessons in school. Unfortunately it didn't happen for unknown reasons and was never rescheduled, so no lessons on any instruments in school. The only additional stuff they do will be for the Christmas and end of year shows which will be singing stuff.

lingle Wed 14-Nov-12 10:26:59

so the take-home message if I'm doing one to one with a child with dyspraxia is "assume nothing about this particular child either way"?

all sounds very familiar from borderline-asd world.....

I do have serious issues with a very kinetic highly talented drummer... this week I'll be bringing in a cushion for him to drum on when it isn't his turn... he can't keep still and there is something beyond (or at least as well as) naughtiness going on.....

MordionAgenos Wed 14-Nov-12 10:45:27

lingle I'm dyspraxic - as are both my DDs - and we don't have a problem with rhythm at all. We all play wind instruments, which have always been fine too in the sense of the hand eye thing - because you can't see your hands, so, no issues. More of an issue with holding something for a long while (muscle tone, being 'droppers') and coping with music stands, turning music (I once caused a whole row of music stands to collapse one after the other. During a concert. As an adult (it was two years ago blush ). DD1 intends to do music at college and then become a musician and teacher - she has found the piano way harder than her various wind instruments and indeed harder than the guitar. This is because you can sort of see your hands. The temptation to look is so strong and then you do....calamity. grin She's playing at grade 6 level now though (hasn't taken the exam yet, might not) which is all she needs for uni/conservatoire (it's her 4th study).

MordionAgenos Wed 14-Nov-12 10:56:28

lingle definitely don't assume they won't be able to play. DD1 and I are both severely dyspraxic (DD 2 less so). For many (though not all) dyspraxics music 'turns off' the dyspraxia in some respects. For example, adding a soundtrack to tasks which are horrendous for a dyspraxic (eg walking across a room without falling over, walking through a door without slamming into the doorframe (one of DD1's nicknames at primary school was unicorn head sad ), running either on a treadmill or on a track, using gym equipment, cleaning your teeth without smashing your gums or knocking out a tooth (that was a BAD day), eating food with a fork without stabbing yourself on the face or the gums...the list goes on) can make them doable. Seriously. There has been some research on this, I;m told by our SENCO. I don't know anything more about it than that it's happened though - but I see the truth of it in myself and DD1 all the time.

What you do need to consider though is - coping with music stands and music, dropping, spatial awareness issues that might end up with an instrument being smashed against a stand or a door or sat on, that sort of thing; meltdown (when someone gets a bit stressy they can go to pieces and its just drop-aggeddon). And DD1 certainly has issues with scales but I never did so that might be her, rather than dyspraxia. The biggest thing to be concerned about is meltdown though because that's horrible and also embarrassing. Most dyspraxics bloody HATE meltdown. There are days when it seems like things are just jumping off shelves or pegs or desks as we walk by, just to taunt us. So, if the kid looks like they are getting stressed, calm the situation down.

DS is dyslexic, he doesn't have a problem reading music (he plays clarinet) but he cannot tell you what a note is called when he reads it, or if you ask him to play E on his clarinet (or whatever) then he has no idea which one that is. He just can't remember the names. But if he sees a stave and sees the notes he can play them. he just doesn't do the inbetween steps of thinking 'thats a C, how do I finger C'. Again, this makes scales very difficult. But he is still doing very well, and he plays brilliantly (also guitar).

lingle Wed 14-Nov-12 14:31:51

now that is really fascinating Mordion.

Interesting about the soundtrack - lots of children for whom concentration is a challenge can concentrate when playing a rock song esp. strumming or above all drumming - the circling nature of the sounds seem to call for a different non-linear way of engaging.

Fascinating about seeing the hands being a bad thing for some people - I'd never have thought of that.

And your DS needing to blank out the note names - very interesting. I have read music in this way when playing viola (it has a wierd clef so you simply have to map the blob straight to a particular string+finger). I found it liberating - it seemed a superior way to read in fact! I've tried to read that way ever since and my previously awful sight-reading has got much better.

what style of guitar does your son play? classical?

Elibean Wed 14-Nov-12 15:51:11

We've had poor music provision in the past - lots of singing (from SingUp, mostly) but nothing else, once past Foundation Stage. We do have a local trust that provides subsidized instrumental lessons, but historically had poor take up.

All this is changing. Influx of middle class parents wanting their DC to have music tuition, plus increased funds in PTA, plus a new member of SLT who is very keen to increase music provision: we now have a 'music room' with loads of percussion instruments, xylophones, and keyboards. We have Trust provided subsidized music club for KS1, teaching music basics. We have recorder clubs throughout KS1 and KS2. We have subsidized instrument tuition with better take up. And a KS2 choir.

All this has changed over the course of one year....

MordionAgenos Wed 14-Nov-12 16:06:02

lingle More rock school, jazz and folk. Not interested in classical. He's had clarinet lessons for 2 years and is doing grade 4 next term. Guitar he's doing with our local In Harmony project at the moment but is going to start individual lessons in January. He plays acoustic, electric and bass.

I think his way of reading music is perfectly valid - I have to do some wired transposition exercise when playing bass recorder because my bass clef reading was never that great - but it means I'm only secure on bass, contra and sub sub - I'm totally at sea with great bass and sub because they are C instruments rather than F and I can't securely do the mental gymnastics on the fly. I'd be much better if I read like he does - but I'm too entrenched in the usual way of doing things.

lingle Wed 14-Nov-12 17:10:55

In Harmony is Julian Lloyd Webber's sistema england lot, no? I thought they were just doing classical string?

MordionAgenos Wed 14-Nov-12 17:36:17

It's Sistema, yes. I don't think JLW has been sighted in this part of the world. Here they are running a wind thing, a recorder thing, a string thing and a guitar thing. There's already a lot for strings in Devon though. It's string city round here.

lingle Wed 14-Nov-12 21:22:08

might have to make this a PM but are they an associate member or something? I thought it was inner city primaries only (six according to their website).

I very curious about In Harmony because I read the interim reports and sometimes children made comments about not being able to switch instruments, etc. which I found interesting. I don't know how much of it is going to the child and how much of it is saying "look at this wonderful world you can be a part of". Nothing wrong with either of those but the mix is always important....

mecindylewis Fri 16-Nov-12 10:59:44

They pay a small fee for keyboard lessons.

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