Free Key Stage 1 SATS Math papers to download?

(34 Posts)
Strix Mon 22-Feb-10 09:29:15

Does anyone know where to get practise papers for free? Allegedly there are are free downloads. But all I can find is books to purchase, and then I have to wait for them to arrive in the post. Something I could download andf print would be great if such a thing exists.

Does anyone have a link they could share?

Honeybarbara Mon 22-Feb-10 09:39:13

Brightminds have some

Devexity Mon 22-Feb-10 13:37:37

http://www.emaths.co.uk/KS1SAT.htm

Strix Mon 22-Feb-10 16:57:22

Thank you. grin

IAmTheEasterBunny Mon 22-Feb-10 18:19:06

Errrr......why would you want to?

PlumBumMum Mon 22-Feb-10 18:24:25

oh I printed some for dd1 will go see if it is the same link as above

PlumBumMum Mon 22-Feb-10 18:26:04

yeap same as devexity

IAmTheEasterBunny Mon 22-Feb-10 19:56:15

Same question - why would you want to?

SATs papers at KS1 are really really unimportant and not worth spending money on. All levels at KS1 are teacher assessments, not test results.

PlumBumMum Mon 22-Feb-10 20:08:07

IAm I actually printed off key stage 2 for my dd1 she is always asking me to make up work for her so I print off free worksheets

Strix Mon 22-Feb-10 20:29:21

Why would I want to? Because math is fun. grin

roisin Mon 22-Feb-10 20:46:20

SATs aren't fun though. SATs are dull and dire and boring. They belong in school.

If your children want to do maths at home there are loads of fun things to do rather than practice SATs papers.

This is one of the most depressing threads I've read in a long time.

Strix Mon 22-Feb-10 20:54:06

It depends what you do with the paper. I just use them to guide me through what they study at school. If DD struggles with the problem I offer help. (I am not allowed to help before she asks for help or she gets really annoyed with me).

Devexity Mon 22-Feb-10 22:45:51

Why would I want to?

I have no idea what the curriculum actually looks like at the arbitrary, not-very-meaningful testing of skills end of it. I used the test papers to understand what my kid is expected to try and do and the methods he is expected to use while doing so.

Like Strix said, it's a guide for me, not my son.

OneMoreCupofCoffee Mon 22-Feb-10 22:51:33

I was having a sneaky peek at the Sats papers on this thread, my dd (2) was passing and recognised it from stuff they are doing at school - she asked if I could print it out so she could colour it in and make the maths look pretty - see there is a way to make this stuff fun! wink grin

IAmTheEasterBunny Tue 23-Feb-10 00:14:39

Why don't you ask your child's teacher? Don't they give you info at school about what is expected in Y2? Also the primary framework for numeracy will spell out what is expected in Y2. A SATs paper gives a tiny snapshot.

Looking at the link, the most recent papers are from 2004. It seems likely some things will have changed in the 6 years since then.

Devexity Tue 23-Feb-10 06:36:39

Even if I did drop off and pick up my kid, I severely doubt his teacher would be willing to sit down and discuss the minutiae of the primary framework with me. And sweet Jesus the primary framework is enormous and exhausting. Spending 60 seconds scrolling through an old paper is a nice - if extremely facile - clarification of applied KS1 numeracy skills.

FWIW, I read all the EYFS profile stuff too. Am interested in education and all things pedagogical. Am caught in an ongoing and rather torrid love affair with late eighteenth-century curricula for home educated children. And, indeed, with parenthood. Why wouldn't I want to know about the often demented, governenmentally mandated criteria that shape my kid's experience of school?

equisetum Tue 23-Feb-10 06:58:01

I think the reason why people do practice papers is to saitsify themselves that their child is actually progressing.

Many a time the 5 minute parent consultation is all about how popular, lovely, kind child you have and not so much about their progress. I know this from experience and then found that my child was very much behind in his work, and needed me to help bring him on as it were.

As for the end of year copy and paste school reports.......

Saying this, I cetainly do not believe in testing testing testing for a child. But, do think we need to actively see for ourselves where our child is.

mummyindisguise Tue 23-Feb-10 08:07:46

devexity - oooh!! That sounds interesting...any links to the 18th century home ed stuff?

Strix Tue 23-Feb-10 09:49:20

"Why don't you ask your child's teacher?"

Because it appears that only parents who stand at the gate can talk to her.

"Don't they give you info at school about what is expected in Y2? "

I get a very very very brief summary of topics once a term. Nowhere near enough. Notes come home that say things like "We will be studying nets next week. Please send in a variety boxes to support this activity." which left me thinking "what the heck is a net?!"

Devexity Tue 23-Feb-10 09:55:00

Here's Practical Education, written by novelist Maria Edgeworth with her father, Richard in 1798:

http://tinyurl.com/yffkgzx

Cortina Tue 23-Feb-10 11:01:42

Devexity I share your interests and thanks for the link, sounds very interesting

I've been reading about how things were educationally in the nineteenth century and before. Largely it seems Latin and leadership were taught to the bright young people who were going to run the Parliament, Army and Church and needlework and diligence sums and obedience to the rest. School as 'monastery' v school as 'factory' (it doesn't seem that it has moved that far away from being factory- like in the main - even the architecture is similar -from what I can see/read). As on the production line, quality control is essential, so the 'products' are regularly tested and graded to make sure the operation has been successful. Claxton says:

If they are found to be faulty it is usually because they are intrinsically so ' 'low ability' or 'lazy' or, more rarely because the assembly-line worker, the teacher, is found not to be performing their operation properly. Occasionally revised operating instructions are issued centrally, telling the assembly-line worker that new, more efficient methods have been discovered and should be implemented - 'synthetic phonics' or the 'three part lesson' for example.

The work force itself cannot be entirely trusted to be effective and responsible, so every so often external, national forms of quality control are imposed and teams of inspectors visit the production line to make sure everything is being carried out as ordered. If not, the teacher technicians are told to pull their socks up, and in the last resort the management can be sacked and replaced. Though many of the operatives see themselves and their students in quite different terms.

As in the factory, the teacher-workers are supposed to be punctual, meticulous, and respectful of authority - and these qualities are also expected to be cultivated in the student-products. As they get nearer the end of the process, the students are encouraged to think, within reason, about what they are learning. Those who attend grammar school factories are allowed to think about what they were doing a bit more than those whose basic mental material is presumed to be lower quality, and who were sorted out and sent to less prestigious factories. Quality control requires considerable numbers of students to be graded as 'seconds' and 'rejects', but recently it has been thought that the workers shouldn't use that language for fear of damaging students self esteem so confusing forms of language have been developed that mask the continuing quality control operation.

A slightly different version of this assembly line metaphor would describe teachers as 'managers' and students as 'workers'. The classroom is a 'work-place' where students do 'work' which they sometimes have to continue or elaborate as 'homework'. They are told to 'get on with their work' and asked how their 'work' is coming on. As in a factory, work involves the completion of a task or the creation of a product that passes 'quality control'. If you continually produce such work you are classified as a 'good worker'.

The point is not to think about what you are doing, or develop any particular ability or understanding from doing it but the point is to get the job done and complete the work satisfactorily.

(I could go on but I'll spare you) Claxton is very interesting in his analogies. I think things have improved since he wrote this and his tone is deliberately amusing .

I am very curious to see what Maria Edgeworth 'valued' and suggested.

Joseph Payne in 1856 had some revolutionary ideas that children should be taught the arts of 'perception, reflection, judgment, ..reasoning'. They should be taught 'thinking' skills.

This went against the grain with the more prevalent Gradgrind type of education/views of time.

Payne criticised the educational reforms of 1862 and apparently his views chimed with those that criticised the National Curriculum in 2008:

We need no hesitation in pronouncing it to be mechanical in conception, mechanical in means, mechanical in results.

You can compare what Payne was driving at to what Harvard educationalist Ron Ritchart said in 2002:

We've come to mistake curricula, textbooks, standards, objectives, and tests as ends in themselves, rather than as a means to an end. Where are these standards and objectives taking us? What is the vision they are pointing towards? What purpose do they serve? What ideals guide us? Without ideals, we have nothing to aim for. Unlike standards, ideals can't be tested. But they can do something that standards cannot: they can motivate, inspire and direct our work.

(as quoted in Guy Claxton's book What's The Point of School).

Sorry if I derail thread a bit off to look at 'Practical Education'.

Strix I have realised who you used to be now (it was the nets that did it smile).

Strix Tue 23-Feb-10 12:01:38

Sorry. 'tis not meant to be a secret.

resident American Owl

I wondered if that silly recent article might have prompted it.

debs40 Tue 23-Feb-10 14:22:10

Cortina, what a fascinating post.

"We've come to mistake curricula, textbooks, standards, objectives, and tests as ends in themselves, rather than as a means to an end. Where are these standards and objectives taking us? What is the vision they are pointing towards? What purpose do they serve? What ideals guide us?"

How true indeed. This mechanical view of education and its purpose sits so well with the functionnaires who often end up as heads these days. Fairly competent bureaucrats rule the world.

Have you seen the Ken Robinson piece on schools killing creativity?

SoupDragon Tue 23-Feb-10 14:24:32

I was under the impression that KS1 SATS had been scrapped anyway.

BridesheadRegardless Tue 23-Feb-10 14:29:52

I bought and did practise KS1 SAT papers with my ds1, as I wanted to try to ensure that he got levels 3's. At the time I thought this was imporatnt, I have no idea why and I am now very embarrassed by this.

i have moved ds2 to a school where they don't do Ks1 SATs and I will not be practsing Ks2 sats with Ds2.

I have learnt.

i know most of you here want practise papers for more information reasons, i'm just admitting my own twattishness and i'm sure I'm not the only ones who fell inot this trap or they wouldn't sell them.

debs40 Tue 23-Feb-10 14:32:14

How honest and very untwattish of you Brideshead to make such an admission. I think if more schools didn't do it, the better we would all be....children included.

Strix Tue 23-Feb-10 14:56:45

I think if the schools were better at communicating with parents then parents wouldn't be so eager to cling onto KST SAT papers for a glimpse into the syllabus.

More often than not I think parents are driven to nurotic ocmpetitiveness because of the schools/ inadequacies.

This is not about freaky parents, but failing schools.

I know I get all wound up at the poor communication that comes my way. And our school is really one of the better state schools. I'd be basket case if my kids went to a failing state school.

KS3 SATs have been scrapped. The other ones are still there.

Feenie Tue 23-Feb-10 18:25:17

KS1 SATs haven't been scrapped entirely. The only reported level at y2 is the teacher assessment, which is made up of lots and lots of evidence of the children's progress - a very small part of the evidence required is the tests if the child is working at level 2/3.

ktee1 Fri 26-Feb-10 20:43:20

Despite what they say the KS1 SATs are still mandatory, even though the levels aren't reported to parents, they are still reported along with Teacher Assessments to County. They are used in schools to confirm teacher assessments. If you look at the many many maths websites (UK ones) out there you will see activities carefully matched to the expected levels of your child. Many of them have already been mentioned on here but ict games, the bbc website, nrich, tutpup are all great, and much more fun than a SATs paper

IAmTheEasterBunny Fri 26-Feb-10 20:54:41

....KS1 SATs are still mandatory, even though the levels aren't reported to parents, they are still reported along with Teacher Assessments to County....

No they aren't reported to county!!!!! Only TAs are reported.

...They are used in schools to confirm teacher assessments....

They are not used to CONFIRM teacher assessments; they are used to ADVISE teacher assessments. Teacher assessments can override SATs results, as long as evidence is available.

There are so many people who are so badly informed about KS1 SATs. It makes me wonder what information schools are giving out.

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