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So, what are/were your criteria for choosing a good Primary School for your DC?

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LittleOyster · 06/12/2016 13:26

Just that really. I'm having a bit of dilemma about this... I have been looking at two primaries for DD who'll be starting Reception in 2017. One (where DD attends Nursery) is a church school, very nurturing, lovely warm HT, etc. The other has a swanky new building in lovely grounds, very academic, caters to more middle class, professional families. I think DD has a fair chance of being offered a place at both, but don't know which to rank as her first choice.

So it's got me thinking... What's really important in a primary school? Would love to hear MN-ers thoughts, and what choices you have made/are making for your DC...

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Bohemond · 06/12/2016 13:37

Walking distance!
But then we live in a rural village with an outstanding primary school....
If I had to make a proper list:

  • Proximity/ease of drop off pick up as part of daily schedule;
  • Ofsted;
  • Outside space.
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LittleOyster · 06/12/2016 13:45

Thanks, Bohemond. Yes - I see what you mean about ease of pick up/drop off. Family/work life is inevitably so busy, it seems silly to deliberately build in extra stress and difficulty.

I think I shall have another look at the Ofsted reports for the schools I am considering. They are both currently graded as 'good', but I think that they probably arrive at that assessment for very different reasons, IYSWIM?

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Cosmicglitterpug · 06/12/2016 13:47

Proximity.

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AllTheShoes · 06/12/2016 13:48

I'd agree with easy walking distance. Also, I would now look for very little / no homework, breakfast and after school club without huge waiting lists, plenty of activities / trips (look at the website), more than 1FE and the general 'feel' of the place such as the HT knowing the names of all the kids.

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megletthesecond · 06/12/2016 13:49

Breakfast and after school clubs. Vital if you work.
Walking distance and / or not too much congestion if you have to drive.
Decent ofsted. Good or gut instinct it's improving.
Good outdoor space.
Good communication with parents.

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LittleOyster · 06/12/2016 13:50

Oh, that's interesting - hadn't thought about homework at all. I'll make enquiries.

What's 1FE?

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BishopBrennansArse · 06/12/2016 13:55

Pastoral care and holistic approach.

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LittleOyster · 06/12/2016 13:58

The school where DD is currently in Nursery ticks all of meglet's boxes, so I could do a lot worse than keep DD there. But I visited the other one this morning and was really impressed by some of the work the Y6's were doing... How important is academic stuff for primary age children? My gut tells me that the pastoral side is much more important for young children, yet at the same time I hate the idea of DD not taking full advantage of educational opportunities!

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LittleOyster · 06/12/2016 13:59

Cross post with BishopBrennansArse!

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AllTheShoes · 06/12/2016 14:01

1FE is 1 Form of Entry, so 30 children in a year. No chance of splitting up personality clashes, fewer friendship options.

Before I had kids in primary I thought smaller would be better, but I've come to think that 2FE is probably ideal. Though some very big schools are great because they have many more resources, bigger sites, more clubs etc. But I still feel there is a definite 'how can you squeeze 90 / 120 children on stage' thing for the nativity play etc.

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AllTheShoes · 06/12/2016 14:05

Academic side is less important in KS1, IME, but becomes more so. One reason I want as little homework as possible is that I want time for other stuff - which in early years might be playing outside, swimming, play dates etc but in later years might be something more academic to supplement school.

It does prompt me to think of one more question - I should have asked about catering for both ends of the ability range, as if they can get it right for them I suspect they are good at getting right for each individual child.

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Randytortoise · 06/12/2016 14:06

You don't really get a choice though so if you like both and can't decide I would put either walking distance first or wrap around care (which ever is more important to you) followed by the next school.

Personally I would go for a walkable school. My dc go to a school a 5min walk away. My next door neighbour still drives (but needs to park quite a walk from the school because of such bad parking) on the days I collect rather than the childminder we often beat her home despite leaving at the same time a day me walking with a slow 2 yr old and rec child up a big hill!

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LittleOyster · 06/12/2016 14:16

Yes, I've always assumed smaller would be better. Interesting to hear another perspective AllTheShoes.

Randytortoise, the school where DD is currently is closer to home and has better wrap around care, plus teachers are lovely, DD has a little friendship group, so it seems silly not to make it our first choice.

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yummymummycleo · 06/12/2016 14:32

1-The feel of the school was important to us but also where we think ds will fit in and be happiest. This obviously depends on the personality of your own child. I wanted somewhere that felt friendly and a real community. Friendly teachers and an impressive head.

2- distance- part of the community feel is being able to walk there and lots of local dcs also going to the school.

3-ofsted/results/ reputation.

4- after school care. I work part time so have to consider this but actually our first choice has said no after school club for reception chn. It's annoying but not a huge influence on my choice as we can work around it with a childminder or swop with someone we know hopefully. I feel this is something that can be solved much easier than my ds going to the 'wrong' school for him.

Our first choice is also only good, whereas our second is outstanding. I was torn between them but the feel of the school and where I thought my ds would be happiest was much more important to me than ofsted report.

Think it's swing and roundabouts though. I know others who picked the outstanding one based on reputation and ofsted and another who picked our third choice because of wrap around out of school care.

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elQuintoConyo · 06/12/2016 14:39

We visited 4 different schools and got a great vibe from one. So we chose it. It has great space inside and out. It really includes parents in the way it runs in a collaborative way, not financially.

It has 1 form entry which we liked. And two gardens/playgrounds, the front one full of trees so lovely shade in summer (we are in Spain - it is surprising the number of primaries with zero shade).

It is a state school with minimal religious input. They don't make stupod demands on parents' time like making costumes with 2 days' notice, that sort of thing.

DS is in his 3rd year and we are delighted with the school so far.

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LittleOyster · 06/12/2016 14:40

2- distance- part of the community feel is being able to walk there and lots of local dcs also going to the school. Yes, I agree that this is a big thing. DD is an only child, so it's important that we can set up playdates, etc without too much faffing and, hopefully, when she's older she'll be able to call for/play out with friends living nearby.

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Cosmicglitterpug · 06/12/2016 14:42

Gave a brief answer earlier of proximity.
With my professional hat on (Y3 teacher), I'd say 1FE can be a little stifling, and I'd prefer there to be more classes.
On the ofsted report I would personally look at behaviour. If that's good then I would feel confident that my child will be learning well as there isn't the distraction. Where I teach the behaviour is poor (due to a non existent behaviour policy and remote SLT), and I have to spend a lot of time dealing with this during lesson time.

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coffeetasteslikeshit · 06/12/2016 14:47

Can they walk there?

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golfbuggy · 06/12/2016 15:02

Bear in mind that your child will get older ... do not simply pick the best school for a Reception child!

As well as social aspects, bear in mind that 1FE means less funding.

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MilkRunningOutAgain · 06/12/2016 16:36

May not be relevant but my DS was very active as a preschooler and one thing I looked at was availability of outdoor space AND how much the kids got to go outside & run about.

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sirfredfredgeorge · 06/12/2016 16:51

Absolutely proximity, nothing else was anywhere near as important, anything that required a car would've been completely out.
Size was next, nothing too small.
Not overtly religious.

Otherwise, the school would've had to have been particularly bad to not meet those. The majority of how well a school suits a child is the relationship the child has with its peers and the adults. You can never know for sure before what is actually "right" for the child, certainly not when they're still 3 when you're applying for the place!

Whilst the intake will strongly influence the peers that go there, you don't actually know which peers are actually a positive for your child, or how a minor personality clash in the year you have might annoy. They might be stifled and demotivated by being surrounded by lots of Tarquins who are tutored to the eyeballs at 4, or they might be encouraged by it.

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BigWeald · 06/12/2016 23:30

For us it was the question of being in walkable distance and we don't regret it.
We chose a school we liked and is walkable (albeit only just) over one we loved but requires a drive. Remember also that what seems a very long walk for a 4 year old will be a lot more manageable for an 8 year old, so don't automatically discard a long walk. It's tough for the first year but does get easier and may be worth it.

Other considerations were, is it a through primary or not? If it is only an infant school, what junior school(s) does it feed into, and what are they like? What secondary schools do the children go on to?

How long do they keep things play-based/self-directed? We were quite surprised by the variety of answers on this one. The average school would say that reception is lots of play and self directed stuff, but in Y1 'school proper' starts which means the vast majority of time is passed in formal teacher-directed learning. But one school in particular explained that they prepared children for Y1 by introducing lots of formal learning already in the summer term of reception. Whereas another school explained that their version of self-directed and play based, but structured, learning in reception worked so well that they had extended it into Y1 and even in parts into Y2 (that was an 'outstanding' school with excellent KS1 results).

What we didn't take into consideration but in hindsight matters quite a lot, is length of the school day. Hadn't realised that these vary considerably. Especially if it requires a long walk, a long school day can be quite depressing. If you finish at 3:30 and get home in the dark at 4:15 with an exhausted reception age child, who is expected to do reading and needs to be in bed by 6 and asleep by 6:30 or won't manage to get up in the morning, when you'll have to leave the house at ten past eight in order to get to school by 8:40 - then it depressingly feels like school has taken over your whole life. Compared to a neighbour who leaves home at 8:50 and gets back at 3:10 and just has so many hours per week more to 'live' and be a child.

We preferred a small school (1FE) over a big one, and don't regret that; however I do now realise a problem with small schools that I didn't at the time. I'm not concerned about lack of friendship options or being able to mix classes up. But I realised now that every school has a certain number of additional roles to fill, such as KS1 leader, maths leader, science leader, KS2 leader, ... and the number of those roles doesn't decrease just because the school is smaller. So in small schools this means that nearly every teacher has to take on one or more of those roles in addition to their teaching. This either contributes to the work overload they experience (which is bad in itself, but of course also detrimental to the kids they teach) or eats up funding that could otherwise be used elsewhere. Also they can't share their planning with another teacher in the same year because there is no one else.

In relation to the funding, something you can ask is how many Teaching Assistants they have in which years. Often there will be one teacher and two TAs in reception, then one TA in Y1, then only part-time (morning) TAs for the rest of the school; but some schools have more TAs, and some less. Having seen EY/KS1 classes in action I now think only an exceptional teacher will be able to get any significant amount of learning to happen without the support of TAs. So that is also something I'd look out for.

What you can look for but won't get a definite answer to without effectively going to that school:

  • Do they deal effectively with bullying?
  • Do they effectively challenge and extend their most able pupils, and how do they support their struggling students?
  • How much of a school's success in terms of results is down to actual teaching, how much is down to parents taking things into their own hands and tutoring their children?


What really put me off on school tours was if the people we talked to sounded disingenuous. For example I had just been thinking how grim and dark and lacking of daylight a particular school was when the Head said how proud they were of their large windows bringing in lots of daylight. Another school seemed to rely on their possession of an own pool as a major attraction to the school. Whereas on the tour I found the pool to be in such a poor state, and only usable for such a short time, that it didn't factor in my decision making at all. However the fact that the head thought their pool was what attracted prospective parents, implies that they have nothing else in their school that they are proud of. Put me right off.
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smellyboot · 06/12/2016 23:36

We avoided 1fe as too claustrophobic if there are friendship issues. This was totally the right decision for both our DC. We are 3fe. One of their classes had a controlling class bully so it was great that DC1 could escape and play with DC from other classes. Extra classes mean extra resources and DV can find friends like them. With Dc2 as they now mix the classes up,it's great for them to make new friends. I used to think 3/4/5 fe was too big but I'm a total convert

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smellyboot · 06/12/2016 23:38

We have 6 schools,within a mile but proximity still a priority to....its, fantastic that my DC school mates all,live local. Huge advantage

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ICantFindAFreeNickName2 · 07/12/2016 13:36

As others have said proximity to home was very important to us.
I would want to know which high schools the children tend to move onto. It might seem a long way off but it will come round sooner than you think. We were put off one school because a lot of children went onto a church high school, which is something I didn't want for my children.
I advise to either ignore OFSTED grading or actually read the full reports to see if the Outstanding or RI bit is something that matters to you.
Although a small school looks good for a Reception child, I think it can be difficult as children get older - small friendship pool, not enough children to make up teams in inter school sporting comps, less money, makes the move to high school very daunting (although I do appreciate there are other advantages to a small school).

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