Speech marks and commas homework, argh!

(68 Posts)
amidaiwish Sun 29-Sep-13 08:49:00

Homework help!!
Where would you put the comma in this sentence, in or out of the speech marks?

"I am going to the park", said Peter
Or
"I am going to the park," said Peter

Thanks!

StuntBottom Sun 29-Sep-13 09:49:05

Second one, definitely.

As an aside, I'd be interested to know the ages of people responding to this. I don't think grammar and spelling are as well taught as they were in my day (ancient old crone that I am!). I work in a school and see an alarming number of teachers - intelligent and educated individuals - whose spelling and grammar is appalling. All under thirty.

valiumredhead Sun 29-Sep-13 09:49:36

Comma inside speech marks.

eddiemairswife Sun 29-Sep-13 09:55:34

And a full-stop after Peter.

valiumredhead Sun 29-Sep-13 09:58:24

I'm 43 and remember this being drummed into us!grin

hopingforbest Sun 29-Sep-13 09:58:52

Wikipedia has an unusually helpful entry re the difference between US/UK and Fiction/Non-fiction usage: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotation_mark

This is the sort of question that drove me nuts as a child - a question that has more than one possible answer but no space below to write your either/or explanation..

bamboostalks Sun 29-Sep-13 10:01:31

Am shocked at how wrong so many people are on this thread and how sure they are in their incorrect ness! It's not like there an option or a choice. There is only one correct answer and that of course is 2, no exceptions.

amidaiwish Sun 29-Sep-13 10:04:32

i am 40 and we were definitely the "skipped grammar" generation
My DDs are taught it more rigidly than we ever were.
I still have to correct dh's grammar, esp apostrophes, before he can submit any documents at work!

amidaiwish Sun 29-Sep-13 10:05:30

it doesn't help that the grammar monkey website is wrong, it's not as black and white as it seems. Maybe UK has adopted the US way of writing.

Wallison Sun 29-Sep-13 10:06:11

Just have a look at any book you have in the house - that will confirm that the 2nd example is correct. Punctuation is always before speech-marks.

amidaiwish Sun 29-Sep-13 10:06:33

summary from grammar monster regarding use of punctuation and speech marks:

The rules governing whether to place punctuation inside or outside speech marks are complicated. The quick summary is:
Semicolons and colons – outside
Exclamation marks and question marks – according to logic
Commas and periods/full stops – inside in the US, outside in the UK.

CecilyP Sun 29-Sep-13 10:09:34

I stand corrected; inside the speech marks is the preferred style in English fiction publishing.

tiggytape Sun 29-Sep-13 10:10:50

Grammar monkey is wrong.

valiumredhead Sun 29-Sep-13 10:11:52

Grammar monkey is a load of bolloxgrin

Ds is a grammar whizz, he says INSIDEgrin

mrz Sun 29-Sep-13 10:16:42

if the punctuation belongs to the quote inside the quotation marks, and a closing full stop/question mark/exclamation mark if the quote is a complete sentence

any punctuation which does not belong to the quote outside the quotation marks except closing punctuation.

englishteacher78 Sun 29-Sep-13 10:30:54

Nope, never been the UK way to put the comma outside.

valiumredhead Sun 29-Sep-13 10:37:06
valiumredhead Sun 29-Sep-13 10:38:27

Sorry,I think that's an American site

valiumredhead Sun 29-Sep-13 10:41:18

Quotes within quotes looks a bit messy!

clam Sun 29-Sep-13 10:45:09

The Americans also do not distinguish between practice and practise. And I would say in 90% of cases I see, they're used incorrectly over here.

ModeratelyObvious Sun 29-Sep-13 10:53:05

Comma inside the quote marks.

teacherwith2kids Sun 29-Sep-13 14:26:50

I think the generational thing is true.

I (40mumble) have had to crack the grammar books in order to be able to teach my class correctly, as a much more formal knowledge of grammar is now expected than was the norm in my 1970s schooling.

englishteacher78 Sun 29-Sep-13 14:44:03

Rediscover Grammar - David Crystal
An excellent resource.

mrz Sun 29-Sep-13 15:02:54
Mumzy Sun 29-Sep-13 15:04:06

If you or your Dcs ever did 11+ it is a basic question

TheRoundTable Sun 29-Sep-13 15:33:14

It's the second one.

Question marks used to confuse me like that though...

"May I have some sweets?", asked Peter.

Is this right or wrong?

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