Teachers - pls look at this spelling and tell me if it is indicative of probs???

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miemohrs Thu 29-Aug-13 22:50:59

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homebakedflapjack Thu 29-Aug-13 23:01:23

I was coming on to reassure you but I think you are right to be concerned, in the sense that it does look as if extra support should be given to her at this stage.

I wouldn't focus too much on the levels - research published recently suggests that levels actually stop kids achieving; not really what we want! - just on the fact it has improved. What sort of strategies do the school use for her reading?

I'm not a specialist SEN teacher so don't feel 'qualified' to advise you but I think it would be worth making an appointment to chat to your DDs SENCO. x

RhondaJean Thu 29-Aug-13 23:04:13

Im not a teacher sorry but I work sometimes with adults with literacy issues, and I have a daughter almost the same age myself, and yes that would worry me.

I'm wondering if the writing at home is becaus eshe loves doing it but she knows at school she will get it "wrong" and have it corrected, while at home she can just write. If it is, even without a diagnosis of dyslexia, it's going to impact on her education because she wont try things and that will stop her learning.

I would be having another conversation with the school.

partystress Thu 29-Aug-13 23:05:07

Sorry, butting in here, but would be v interested to see the research on levels getting in the way of achieving - do you have a link or reference homebaked? Certainly bears out my own feeling that levels encourage compliance rather than learning, but would love to see something pukka to back me up!

miemohrs Thu 29-Aug-13 23:07:56

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2kidsintow Thu 29-Aug-13 23:12:23

Has your DD had a recent hearing test? Just asking as that's one thing that we rule out if children seem to be missing entire sounds in their writing. Things like glue ear can make a real difference, even if quite mild.

Self confidence could be the reason that she will write at home, but not in school.

If it was a child in my year 4 class not writing their name legibly, I'd be looking at pencil grip and how they form their letters when they write.

I'd also be looking at the data that the school holds - they should have some measure of reading/spelling ability and you are entitled to find out what it is.

If your child's school does CATs (cognitive abilities tests) in May, they can be very useful too - not all schools do them and not all schools that do them share the results without you asking so you may have to ask for the info.
It gives a standardised score for number, for words and for non verbal reasoning. If there's a wide difference between abilities in the non verbal section and the english section it can point to a problem in reading/writing.

miemohrs Thu 29-Aug-13 23:15:40

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miemohrs Thu 29-Aug-13 23:17:21

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AnotherStitchInTime Thu 29-Aug-13 23:23:13

Words with the suffix -est are covered in phase 6 of phonics which is done in year 2. From the spellings you have shown here she does seem to be trying to spell using her phonetic knowledge, but it appears that she is not secure in her knowledge. If it is not embedded they need to go back over it again.

It is quite common for children in junior years to need to go back over phonics in order to support their writing and spelling. The school should be putting in place groups to support this. It is likely she is not the only one in her class who needs further phonics input.

Without a proper dyslexia assessment it is impossible to know if she also has dyslexia, as a starting point have a look at this online screening test.

2kidsintow Thu 29-Aug-13 23:24:22

You can usually ask school to request a hearing test through the school nurse network if you think it might help.

Left or right handed? This can sometimes affect pen/paper grip and position and then letter formation.

How are your daughter's fine motor skills? That might affect letter formation and therefore willingness to write.

AnotherStitchInTime Thu 29-Aug-13 23:32:34

Also if her letter formation needs work then maybe pencil grips might help. Also finger exercises to strengthen her finger muscles see here.

Have you noticed whether she is consistent with her formation of certain letters or does one letter have a great deal of variation in how she forms the letter?

With my old year 5's some children had handwriting practice worksheets to develop their handwriting. You can print them from several online sites for free.

miemohrs Thu 29-Aug-13 23:33:49

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miemohrs Thu 29-Aug-13 23:36:12

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TheSecondComing Thu 29-Aug-13 23:37:10

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TheSecondComing Thu 29-Aug-13 23:38:44

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miemohrs Thu 29-Aug-13 23:42:58

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TheSecondComing Thu 29-Aug-13 23:49:09

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caramelwaffle Thu 29-Aug-13 23:54:17

What you have said is VERY reassuring TheSecondComing

Congratulations on your daughter's results.

AnotherStitchInTime Fri 30-Aug-13 00:04:00

Based on the information you have given and the online score in the test miemohrs in your situation I would push for a dyslexia assessment.

The British Dyslexia Association have a helpline and useful information here. Have a look at the getting help for your child section, it gives advice on what to do if the school is not referring your child for a formal assessment by an educational psychologist.

My DH is very dyslexic and also had co-ordination difficulties (helped by dancing), but has managed to go to University and has two degrees. He didn't have any help in school and was belittled by teachers. It was only picked up when he got to college. He was given a computer and extra time for exams. Thankfully our understanding of dyslexia has improved since then.

mikkii Fri 30-Aug-13 00:06:32

OP, DS has just turned 9 and is going into yr5. Until yr 4 he had been a very reluctant writer, but last yr he had a teacher he connected with and really wanted to pleas, so we saw an improvement.

DS was tested and determined to be borderline dyslexic. In his case,he has no reading issues, but cannot recall how a word "looks" so resorts to phonetic spellings which take him long time.

We were devised to let him complete homework on the computer if he wants to, but a "spell checker" and be encouraging.

Most of your issues could have been DS. He recently wrote "wrighting" as he has been learning "ight" and knew the sound.

I would suggest talking to her new teacher a couple of weeks into term

TheSecondComing Fri 30-Aug-13 00:13:33

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almapudden Fri 30-Aug-13 00:17:09

I would push for assessment if I were you. There's nothing to preclude her succeeding as thesecondcoming's daughter has succeeded, but it looks to me like she'd benefit from some literacy support.

I have taught Y4 English and I would be very worried by spelling at that level.

BlackMogul Fri 30-Aug-13 00:36:04

I am not so sure this is just a reading and writing problem if OP's DD cannot do maths tables either. What is she like at maths? If it is everything she is behind in then the dyslexia route is not necessarily the right one but may be the only diagnosis considered because of family dyslexia. I think levels do give parents an idea of how well a child is doing and do flag up where there are concerns. I would be Very disappointed with this school. I would be in there very sharpish to talk about this and discover what they assess her progress and levels to be (English and maths) and what they are going to do about it. It would worry me a great deal.

mikkii Fri 30-Aug-13 08:23:26

If OP's DD is ok at maths, but not tables, this can also be dyslexia. DS is scoring well above expectations in maths, but is behind in his tables. For DS this is because we "see" the tables as a picture (you don't know that you are doing this) and in the same way he can't see the words, he can't see the tables.

We were recommended times table disco, it has helped. www.tablesdisco.com/

LisaMumsnet (MNHQ) Fri 30-Aug-13 10:57:17

Hi everyone
Just to let you know that we are shortly going to be moving this to Primary Education at the OP's request. MNHQ

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