KS2 SATS - did anyone at your school get Level 6 reading??

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kitnkaboodle Tue 16-Jul-13 23:18:59

.. just wondering. I know it's very rare across the country. Our school entered 5 pupils and none of them got it

Feenie Thu 16-Oct-14 11:36:41

Stats are 0.14% pass rate this year - down from 0.4% in 2013.

And they raised the pass mark again.

I don't know why they bother having this test either.

Lidunka Wed 15-Oct-14 15:45:48

Don't understand what is the point introducing level 6 English, if no one gets it.
Math is beter. However, I think the schools are crazy putting through 30% of the kids unless they all score already 5high level.

On one hand I was happy they introduced level 6 math when my DD was in year 6, as she was so bored since Y5 - she lernt nothing for almost 2 years (what a waste), and although, she was not tought at all level 6, she passed.

But, when she went to secondary, she was classified level 5high only anyway - but I understand that, she was not properly tought level 6 and even she made the exam 6 it was just based on the fact she worked it out on her own

GiftedPhoenix Thu 04-Sep-14 18:55:12

No problem

PiqueABoo Thu 04-Sep-14 17:23:10

@GiftedPhoenix, assuming you are the author then many thanks because I do value those blog posts.

jinnybag Thu 04-Sep-14 16:10:05

9% in our school got level 6 reading but it is a selective indie. (not my ds though) More than half the year group passed level 6 maths.

GiftedPhoenix Thu 04-Sep-14 10:11:02

This new blog post is about the provisional 2014 results in the Level 6 reading test giftedphoenix.wordpress.com/2014/09/02/what-happened-to-the-level-6-reading-results/

motherinferior Mon 28-Jul-14 10:54:51

DD2 got it.

Bookmonster345 Sat 26-Jul-14 22:05:31

At my daughters school, five children were entered and only one person got it, that person being my daughter, however, as she is an avid reader at home it was expected of her

PiqueABoo Sat 26-Jul-14 14:42:39

Last year the (unverified) national data was released in mid-September, you had to fiddle with it yourself and I arrived at a 0.4% pass rate for L6 Reading. Somewhere, possibly RAISE Online, they don't have decimal places hence the 0%.

There is a lot of consensus about the maturity, life-experience angle, There will obviously be exceptions, but I expect the passes are clearly biased towards the older children.

My summer-born DD did NOT pass L6 Reading this year. I had read that Sheffield report on the L6s and explained why she might fail this back in Y5, so she didn't appear to care. It took her a week to remember to tell us that the DH (not her Y6 teacher) had told her that she came closest and had scored last years' threshold. She is too modest and I was pleased they did that because a couple of the oldest girls have been quite good at belittling all her successes.

On balance I feel quite blessed on both counts i.e. she did very well, but isn't that hung up on relative rankings and SATs.

LaQueenLovesSummer Sat 26-Jul-14 11:17:20

I think a child needs far more than just technical reading ability to get a Level 6 in Reading, because they need to be able to empathise and analyse the text at a very mature level.

GertieFinkle Sat 26-Jul-14 07:18:46

Dd got level 6 maths and level 5 for everything else. No-one else in her class got level 6 for any subjects (small rural school). The school I work at had no level 6 readers or writers and likewise another teacher friend's school. I think the literacy level 6s are extremely hard to get - as everyone else on the thread says!

Au79 Sat 26-Jul-14 07:00:01

Does anyone know how many kids got Level 6 for Reading at KS2 nationally this year? I think it was about 2000 total last year which works out at zero percentagewise.

LaQueenLovesSummer Fri 25-Jul-14 17:44:25

Oh, Hell yeah...I'm with you on that one pique - I am trying to curb DD1's tendency to veer off into crushing hyperbole, and to just get the nuts and bolts of the English language right, to begin with.

Have to confess [cough] I might be giving her a spot of extra tuition in text analysis and identifying the 'narrative voice' [cough] Also getting her to precis pieces of text, too.

She's none too shabby when I get her to parse a sentence, too - a skill that appears to have been much overlooked at her primary hmm

LaQueenLovesSummer Fri 25-Jul-14 17:38:48

2 children got it at ours, it's only a very small village school though.

This Yr 6 is exceptionally academically able, with record 11+ scores across the board for boys and girls.

Quite a few got the Level 6 in Maths though.

It just shows how hard it is to get a Level 6 in Reading. Huge congratulations to any child that did. Very, very well done smile

PiqueABoo Fri 25-Jul-14 00:03:46

"Those children who genuinely are above Level 5 could surely use the time more productively doing extension activities."
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I'm not sure there's much difference between an extension activity and tackling some L6 questions. DD did learn a few new tricks such as the dreaded PEEing and was more [::groan::] 'stretched'. However when I run the universe, I'm going to have more pragmatic comprehension and less of the literary luvvie guild-speak about foreshadowing etc. For example:

* Write one short sentence containing all the genuine information to be found in this long page of text that like most of them these days is largely vacuous marketing twaddle.

* Read this politician's speech and identify a minimum of three different classes of informal logical fallacy.

* Find four phrases in this journalist's article that are intended to make the reader feel angry about teachers.

And so on.

Feenie Thu 24-Jul-14 21:49:35

There isn't an official list as such, sweetsummerpea.

HPFA Thu 24-Jul-14 10:30:38

I'm now totally confused about the purpose of this test. If it is to test which children have achieved an objective "Level 6" why does the pass mark keep changing so much? I suspect the real purpose is to identify the 0.5% achievers in any year in which case it would be more honest to describe it as such. Like most parents I have a fair idea of where my daughter is in the year and she's definitely not in that elite - she's probably in about the top 10/15%. I suspect the school will probably make that top 10/15% sit the test - what a waste of time. Those children who genuinely are above Level 5 could surely use the time more productively doing extension activities.

SweetSummerSweetPea Tue 22-Jul-14 22:29:30

what is required reading material for level 6?

Feenie Tue 22-Jul-14 22:26:03

I send papers back for re-marking regularly, and my reports are usually upheld. I sent 3 level 6s back last year - all of my complaints were upheld, but they re-marked the whole paper again (normal) and conveniently decided there were mistakes in the marking of the rest of the paper, making the re-mark null and void.

It's a game.

pyrrah Tue 22-Jul-14 21:45:21

None for reading but 3% for writing, 5% for SPG and nearly 20% for maths.

PiqueABoo Tue 22-Jul-14 21:21:29

It's difficult to know what an L6 Reading pass means and it's insanely difficult if you try to hold one year up against another. I believe these are the years and thresholds:

2011: 13/32 (~40%)
2012: 19/30 (~63%)
2013: 22/34 (~65%)
2014: 24/34 (~70%).

Are they effectively telling us it's become easier every year or are they making it harder to pass? Are they deliberately keeping the pass rate norm-referenced at around 0.5%? Next time some competitive parent reminds us yet again that their child passed L6 reading, should we ask them which year?

The exam has effectively been called a useless waste of money in a formal report commissioned by the DfE and I think it's an unreliable crock with serious marking criteria difficulties (something a seasoned expert I know has been quite vexed about).

Yes, I don't think you need L6 Reading at your primary school but it's obviously good to have reading for pleasure (ideally a mix of genres) at home.

L6 maths is a quite different creature and I'd be unimpressed by a school that didn't make that available to suitable children.

Toomanyhouseguests Tue 22-Jul-14 16:46:36

Our school has never entered any children for the L6 reading test. They only enter them for the L6 maths test.

After skimming this thread, it sounds like it is just as well. I don't want the dc wasting their time on something that is essentially "rigged."

No didn't see it.

PiqueABoo Tue 22-Jul-14 14:18:48

@IHeartKingThistle: Did you see last years for comparison? I ask because they raised the L6 Reading pass threshold from 22/34 to 24/34 this year.

rabbitstew Tue 22-Jul-14 13:46:16

What on earth was florenceeexo's dd taking KS2 SATs for if she goes to a public school? She must be at least 13-years old. grin

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