Year 1 Phonic Check

(111 Posts)
BaconAndAvocado Sun 28-Apr-13 19:28:43

To,all you KS1 experts out there, how and when is this test carried out and what bearing does it have on a child's education?

Ds2 is a good reader thoughI worry about him being asked to read "nonsense words". If he thinks they're not real he won't attempt to read them!

mrz Mon 29-Apr-13 18:04:23

OTOH, at the age of 5-6, does rather depend on the personality, the mood, the time of day, whether child has had lunch or has a cold

Never found it a problem most 5 & 6 year olds really want to please teacher even if they are stubborn little darlings at home.

The length of the word and whether or not it contains tricky/unpredictable bits.

not sure if this was meant for this thread but the length of the word and alternative spellings for the sounds isn't a problem for reading non words

try
chiffusion neightrap blavoursome thrillispauce drigner

daftdame Mon 29-Apr-13 19:32:02

Never found it a problem most 5 & 6 year olds really want to please teacher even if they are stubborn little darlings at home

Mrz - This is either terribly presumptuous or you really are superhuman!!!

mrz Mon 29-Apr-13 19:37:57

No daftdame I'm not superhuman or presumptious

Hulababy Mon 29-Apr-13 19:40:20

TBH I find that children often perform better in this kind of thing where they have some 1:1 attention with their teacher. Most children love the chance for a bit of 1:1 where they get to show off what they can do - in my experience anyway.

mrz Mon 29-Apr-13 19:49:24

and mine Hulababy

daftdame Mon 29-Apr-13 19:57:28

mrz - you forgot the wink!

mrz Mon 29-Apr-13 20:02:18

no I didn't daftdame

Do the words in the test change? I'm curious to see how much my DS can do already but don't want him to 'cheat' in the real thing if he'[s seen the test before...

mrz Mon 29-Apr-13 20:06:21

yes there will be new words each year

BaconAndAvocado Mon 29-Apr-13 21:04:07

Maybe it's a girl/boy thing smile

mrz Mon 29-Apr-13 21:07:32

Well I've taught about 1000 children and not noticed a gender "thing"

mrz Mon 29-Apr-13 21:10:01

and I'm the mother of a boy and a girl

Elibean Mon 29-Apr-13 22:04:46

Or maybe just a personality thing.

Yes, I'm sure kids will do all sorts for teachers that they won't do at home - especially in 1-1 situations! That said, the little boy I'm thinking of may just go very quiet and get upset because his indignation at 'made up' words will conflict with his desire to please.

Or maybe I'm underestimating his teacher's charm (which is considerable)!

pointythings Mon 29-Apr-13 22:11:03

I have two DDs aged 10 and 12, and when they come across new words they still use their phonic knowledge to sound it out. Nine times out of ten this will work, and they will then get a good idea as to what the word means based on what they already know. The tenth time I will explain the word to them. I used to be very hmm about the phonics screening test, but not anymore.

mrz Tue 30-Apr-13 07:25:11

So are you saying you think this boy would refuse to decode a real word which isn't part of his vocabulary Elibean?

DD is certainly a stubborn little darling at home but very 'good' and compliant at school, I'm confident she will try her best.

However I also know that the school is coaching them quite a bit for the phonics test. The results were poor last year, but DD has been coming home for weeks saying things like ' queep - that's a made up word isn't it Mummy.it sounds like creep but it isn't' hmm

christinarossetti Tue 30-Apr-13 10:43:01

I don't think the phonics screening is a particularly big deal for children.

It's a few minutes reading 40 words/alien words with a teacher they know.

moaning, my Y1 dd has certain encountered lots of made up words throughout learning phonics (and of course new words that she has to use her decoding skills to work out). I'd be surprised if this was the first time Y1 children have seen 'alien words'.

MrsMelons Tue 30-Apr-13 10:43:36

I am suprised schools are still 'coaching' for the phonics test, it has been in long enough for the teachers to realise this is how they are being asked to teach phonics surely?

DSs school never coached the children at all but as part of their phonics lessons each week they have always read nonsense words. The children think nothing of it and they had very good overall results in the phonics test last year with only those they already knew about not passing. DS1 loves football and reads a football magazine each week so has no trouble reading foreign players names etc as he has learnt to decode so well.

christinarossetti Tue 30-Apr-13 10:58:09

The phonics screening only came in last year, although of course schools have been expected to teach phonics properly for much longer than that....

Cloverer Tue 30-Apr-13 11:03:44

Who are these children who refuse to read words they don't know? I see them mentioned on phonics threads but do they exist in large numbers in real life - and how did they get to that point at only 5 or 6?

daftdame Tue 30-Apr-13 11:12:39

Mrz - I do not dispute the teaching of phonics - at all.

I was troubled by your assertion that it is usual for children to be better behaved for their teachers than their parents.

Whilst I don't dispute this may be true in some cases, the opposite is equally true in others.

If my assertion lies outside your experience you still have to remember many parents will experience teachers that their children did not perform well with. Not all teachers are shining examples of the profession, children can suddenly become anxious in unusual test like situations (as per the examples above when children are coached) and your assertion is too general to recognise this even exists.

I'm not worried about the test at all, I see it as very much testing the school's teaching of phonics rather than testing the children, I suppose.

I am a bit disconcerted they feel they need to coach the children, and I am a bit unconvinced about how well they are teaching phonics. Last year the results were terrible - I hope they are teaching phonics more effectively as well as coaching the children, IYKWIM.

christinarossetti Tue 30-Apr-13 14:14:38

Unless the school have improved how they teach phonics, the results aren't likely to improve from a bit of 'coaching'.

daftdame Tue 30-Apr-13 14:18:55

BaconAndAvocado - if you think your DS may be disconcerted by 'nonsense' words maybe read Ricky Gervais's 'Flanimals' to /with him, to show how 'nonsense' can be fun.

I think this book could be very good, for your DS, as it contains (fictional) unrecognisable names / terms but puts them very firmly in context - so the activity does not seem so bizarre.

learnandsay Tue 30-Apr-13 14:21:14

The results might only improve by a point or two but for some children that'll be the amount they need. Familiarity with the format of the test always helps some people to feel at ease. It's like walking the racecourse or inspecting the pitch. Every little helps. But it's hardly the purpose of the test.

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