Ks1 sats info please

(55 Posts)
zoomie Sat 06-Apr-13 22:27:15

Hi, any teacher out there that can please help?

If a child achieves a level 2a are they automatically given the level 3 paper to do and would it be given on the same day?
During the sats week is there an order in which type of paper is given first - maths, English then reading?
Also in regards to the level 3 paper how much time is the child given to complete it? i noticed there is quite a large amout to read. Is the child asked to read the whole story first then answer the questions but able to
Refer back or is it completed in sections?
Thanks!

Manchesterhistorygirl Sat 06-Apr-13 22:28:05

Watching with interest. Ds1 is due to do sats too this coming term.

TeamEdward Sat 06-Apr-13 22:30:22

There is no such thing as KS1 SAT week. The grade given to a child is based upon teacher assessment, and not just the tests. If a child is likely to reach a level 3 then they will be given the level 3 paper to start with - it is not good practice to give the Level 2 paper and then expect the child to take another test, as the teacher's other assessments should be able to show at what level the child is working at.

CockyFox Sat 06-Apr-13 22:30:25

My year 2 DS has already done his sats papers, there isn't a set week for key stage one and his teacher said he will be markedon what she has evidence he can do rather than the test. Yr 2 SATs are no biggie.

TeamEdward Sat 06-Apr-13 22:32:55

And the SAT assessments can be done at any time. Many children will have already done them.

Regarding the L3 reading, the children are given as much time as they want, although it is generally accepted that 45 mins is adequate. They are asked to read the story first, then refer back to it as often as they need to when answering the questions.

zoomie Sat 06-Apr-13 22:35:41

My DS was given a level 2 old test paper before the Easter break as practise which was sent home and he achived a 2a (only 2 questions wrong) would he still be given the level 2 for his sat test?

TeamEdward Sat 06-Apr-13 22:40:03

I couldn't say. It would depend on the teacher's other assessments. If your son is consistently working at 2a, then he'd be given the L2 test. If he's working within L3 then they would give him that test.
At the end of Yr2, 2B is the expected grade. So 2a is good!

Feenie Sat 06-Apr-13 22:43:43

The ARA (legal document) states that only one test should be used, but at any time in the year. So it's perfectly possible for a child to sit a test and achieve a 2A, but for the teacher to use that in her assessment to go on to teach level 3 concepts, and for a child to then achieve level 2 later on.

The test is only a small piece of the jigsaw which makes up all of the evidence used to assess a child.

zoomie Sat 06-Apr-13 22:50:43

So if he has been showing the ability of a 2a level he will only be given the level 2 paper ? Even if he achieves a high score he will not be given the opportunity to take the level 3?

simpson England Sat 06-Apr-13 22:51:46

DS is now in yr3 and he sat the level 3 papers last year. He did not do the level 3 on the same day (in fact it was a good 2/3 weeks after the other SATS papers, so I assumed they had finished).

zoomie Sat 06-Apr-13 22:52:51

Hi Simpson...did he do the level 2 first?

Feenie Sat 06-Apr-13 22:57:40

He shouldn't, take another paper, according to the rules - the point is that the teacher should be so secure in her judgement that she gives him the right paper in the first place. Depends how she is using them - Y2 children really shouldn't need to do 'mock' papers. If it was me, I would use a test in January and then teach accordingly - so quite possible for a 2A child to be on track at 2A then attain level 3 using teacher assessment later on.

TeamEdward Sat 06-Apr-13 23:01:49

It's not about accieving a high score in a test, but assessing the capabilities of the child through a whole range of texts and writing styles.

TeamEdward Sat 06-Apr-13 23:02:01

achieving

simpson England Sat 06-Apr-13 23:05:20

All I know he is he did some "tests" according to him and everyone in the class did them and then a few weeks later did some more "tests" when not everyone did them and according to DS they were harder.

He did level 3 in reading, writing and numeracy. (I found out afterwards).

I don't know how he did in the tests (and not bothered really) we were just given his assessment scores at the end of the year.

Feenie Sat 06-Apr-13 23:05:30

TeamEdward is right - it's a tool for a whole assessment conversation, not a be all and end all.

simpson England Sat 06-Apr-13 23:09:03

DS is now in yr3 and does assessments fairly regularly (the kids are told) and his teacher told me that one assessment he wrote an amazing story but was down marked (in the test only, not her assessment) because he should have written a report instead of a story . DS said he got bored grin

Anyway, my point is that it does not matter too much at this age how they do in individual tests (assessments) as the teacher uses a variety of ways to assess the child iyswim.

amidaiwish Sat 06-Apr-13 23:14:42

DD1 (2years ago) def did both level 2&3 papers in maths.

A handful got taken out to do the "rock star hard maths" hmm a few days after the level 2 paper.

zoomie Sat 06-Apr-13 23:21:42

I just wonder how it works for a child who has shown recent improvement

zoomie Sat 06-Apr-13 23:24:02

Rock star hard maths
is that a level 4?

ipadquietly Sat 06-Apr-13 23:37:16

zoomie Feenie told you how it works for a child who has shown recent improvement:
''So it's perfectly possible for a child to sit a test and achieve a 2A, but for the teacher to use that in her assessment to go on to teach level 3 concepts, and for a child to then achieve level 3 later on.''
(Think she meant 'level 3 later on'! smile)

You are told the teacher's assessment of all your dc's class work at the end of the year. This assessment, and the evidence that accompanies it, can over-ride the level they get in the tests.

zoomie Sat 06-Apr-13 23:53:05

Got you ipadquietly! smile

simpson England Sat 06-Apr-13 23:53:39

Well DS finished yr1 on a 1a but just clicked with numeracy in yr2 and still did the level 3 paper.

I am pretty sure he did both (in numeracy, reading and writing) but am not 100% sure.

There was one child who was very good at numeracy and was off sick when the level 3 was taken by the other kids. He of course was levelled at his teachers assessment (as it should be). Don't know if he was able to sit the L3 later on.

simpson England Sat 06-Apr-13 23:54:43

Sorry iPad, that was not in response to your post, just x posted grin

Feenie Sun 07-Apr-13 00:08:43

I did mean level 3 - thanks for clarifying, ipadquietly.

Too much wine grin

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