Practice mock SATs KS1

(71 Posts)
LifeIsBetterInFlipFlops Tue 26-Mar-13 19:14:05

Does anyone download practice SATs tests to do at home with a YR2 pupil?

I'm a parent and would be keen to know whether other parents do this and if any teachers reading this think it a good idea?

Thanks in advance.

GoodDaddy Thu 02-May-13 10:22:51

I need your opinions on something guys.

I found out that my daughter and 4 others had been separated from the class for an hour every day. I found out that they were being put in a class doing really basic English, games like you get in reception (she is in year 2). When I asked the teacher why she told me that they get extra credit from Ofted if they put on special classes for children who speak more than 1 language (she also speaks Spanish). I had her removed from that class immediately.

Shouldn’t that be something that is assessed individually? Isnt that prejudice/Nationalism?

GoodDaddy Thu 02-May-13 10:14:14

Hi Feenie, We hope her teacher next year is a bit better. The reason she did so bad in the test is because she was told it was not important (just a workbook). My DD is a bit of a chatterbox, which is why she didn’t finish it. If she is told its a test and its important, she will stop chatting and concentrate. At Easter we went to the parents evening to discuss her bad report (in English) and she told us that she had based her report on the test results alone.....stupid eh! She really doesn’t know what level she is at. She is reading ORT level 10/11 with no problem at all, but the teacher just said "From her exam result it obviously shows that she doesn’t understand what she is reading!" It made me so furious!!

Feenie Wed 01-May-13 16:44:20

I think you had a terrible teacher too! She should know your dd's ability much, much better than that, and she shouldn't be assessing using simply test papers.

If your dd truly was reading at a 2c, simply teaching her test technique would not elevate her one jot.

Every child is different, and only a parent knows how to get the best out of their child.

I agree with your first statement, but can accept that I as a parent may not know how to get the best out of my child. Children often behave differently at school.

GoodDaddy Wed 01-May-13 14:32:01

I think we just have a terrible teacher. Last years teacher was OK. There are twins in my dd year, and the mother has noticed a big difference between the 2 different classes/teachers.

GoodDaddy Wed 01-May-13 14:30:14

At school she got told that the first test was not important....so thats how she treated it. She missed out questions, she didnt even finish it!

Every child is different, and only a parent knows how to get the best out of their child. There are 26 children in my daughters class, so the teacher has 10 minutes per day to dedicate to her, and she doesnt know her needs or level at all!

redskyatnight Wed 01-May-13 12:27:33

GoodDaddy the score on a single SATS paper is not the level that the child is working at. My DS's teacher thinks he is working at 4b in maths, but the last assessment paper he took says that he is a 3b. This doesn't mean the teacher has got it wrong, just that DS needs to spend less time staring out the window, read the questions properly and not rush the paper practice his assessment paper technique.

If your child was really doing terribly, spending 5 minutes explaining how to do the paper would not have helped her.

MirandaWest Wed 01-May-13 11:30:55

I'm not a teacher. I'm saying not to do SATs tests with DC at home. Helping in areas of need is different from going through SATs papers.

GoodDaddy Wed 01-May-13 11:20:15

Last term my daughter came home with a terrible report. It said that based on a mock SATS exam she was not going to hit her end of year target (10 out of 27 on a level 2). The teacher said that my Daughter could read well but obviously didn’t understand what she was reading. When I got home I printed out the same English exam (plus 1 other) and explained to my daughter that she needed to read the passages, then read the question, then search for the answer in the passage. She got 23 and 24 on both of the exams. I took these to the teacher and gave them to her as evidence of what she can do. The following week the school made her do a level 3 exam and she got 20/27 (passed level 3). So she went from a 2c to a 3c in 3 day according to her teacher.

I have since found that her teachers dont really know what level the kids are at. And if I had just left them to it my daughter would be doing terrible. I can achieve more in 1 Saturday morning ( 1 on 1 ) than any teacher can achieve in a school week, I would home school her, but she needs the social life!

So to any parent out there who feels that they want to help their child....go for it! The only people here who are telling you not to are the teachers, because they know that you can do just as good a job as they can! (in less time) Teachers should be encouraging parents to help in areas of need, it would make their jobs easier.

GoodDaddy Wed 01-May-13 11:06:27

plainjayne123 you are a good parent. Any parent who sees an area that their child is struggling and seeks to help them is not doing anything wrong. If it was only to get a good score on the KS1 SATS then it is obviously not going to improve their marks significantly. But, but testing your child at home you have been able to find areas of weakness. Even if you only help your child in 1 area.....its better than none.

mrz Mon 01-Apr-13 23:16:46

No it's about the individual child, the data is used to predict and measure the child's progress for the next four years.

Otherworld Mon 01-Apr-13 23:12:42

Why does it actually matter what the child got? At this stage it's about overall school performance rather than any individual child isn't it?

As I understand it, the government are measuring the effectiveness of the school to take a group of children an average of 2 levels a year and this is part of that measurement. It doesn't matter to an individual child whether they got a 2, 3 or 4. Just that the school is making the right progress.

LifeIsBetterInFlipFlops Sun 31-Mar-13 12:36:41

Thank you to all of you teachers who have responded.

My thinking was akin to plainjane's, so I'm delighted to hear from the teachers regarding how the levels are decided.

Thanks too for the links Mrz...much appreciated.

mrz Fri 29-Mar-13 19:14:36
mrz Fri 29-Mar-13 19:12:28
ipadquietly Fri 29-Mar-13 19:12:13

Plainjayne why didn't you just google what your dd needs to learn within level 3, and, as you're so inclined, work through it with her. That would mean that she covered all of the requirements.

Feenie Fri 29-Mar-13 19:10:18

<patient>

Feenie Fri 29-Mar-13 19:10:04

But only in certain areas, for the reasons described.

mrz Fri 29-Mar-13 19:09:12

oh dear

plainjayne123 Fri 29-Mar-13 19:07:56

There can be 2 questions in each area then. I think weaknesses can be identified.

mrz Fri 29-Mar-13 19:06:02

"The entire shape curriculum isn't that much, quite likely." hmm

mrz Fri 29-Mar-13 19:04:22

But what about all the other possible weaknesses that the tests didn't identify because they weren't assessed?

"But what I am saying is that if they get this one aspect of shape wrong then they are going to get all aspects wrong." highly unlikely IMHE a child may be very good at identifying quadrilaterals but not so good at recognising reflective symmetry or positional language or classification or visualisation or ...

ipadquietly Fri 29-Mar-13 19:04:00

This is the make-up of one of the L3 papers:
Place Value / Ordering 2 questions
Properties of Number / Sequences 2 questions
Fractions 1 question
Calculation (+) 2 questions
Calculation (-) 2 questions
Calculation (x) 4 questions
Calculation (÷) 3 questions
Missing Number Problems / Inverse 3 questions
Problem Solving / Reasoning 10 questions
Measures 1 question
Measures (Time) 1 question
Shape & Space 3 questions
Handling Data 3 questions

An individual's progress in specific parts of the maths curriculum can't be based on this - there just aren't enough questions in each strand.

plainjayne123 Fri 29-Mar-13 19:02:53

Anyone can get a workbook and work through an area. I do have a first class degree from Oxford and a phd etc so I can manage to find out what a child needs to know to get a 3 in maths in any area.

Feenie Fri 29-Mar-13 19:00:22

The shape and space curriculum at level 3 is quite a lot. Where are you looking?

plainjayne123 Fri 29-Mar-13 18:59:15

The entire shape curriculum isn't that much, quite likely.

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