What is the best way to get times tables into kids that don't really like maths or does it not matter?

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Kazooblue Sun 24-Mar-13 13:53:46

Dd hates maths.

2,5,10,11and 3 picked up fair effortlessly.Now we're on 6 they're going in less easily and she hates maths so how what is the best way for the rest?

I'll show her the various tricks but if all else fails is just learning by rote ok?

mummytime Belgium Thu 09-May-13 11:49:34

I never knew my tables, and got a high grade at A'level Maths, I did always say Maths was more fun when they got rid of the numbers. Maths ability and the ability to learn tables is nothing like the same thing.

However, I was able to calculate reasonably quickly because I knew enough "tables facts" and could quickly work out the others. I also seemed to do far more calculations at Primary school than my children have. Even my talented at Maths DD, definitely seems to know less Maths than I did at her age (eg. area of circles, lots of fractions, and very used to division).

charlie1967 Thu 09-May-13 11:42:52

Dd downloaded this app yesterday, and loves it. Best thing is that you can see how well doing on each table. Seems that 7's are vexing!

https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/times-tables-with-beluga/id627890528?mt=8

JollyPurpleGiant Wed 03-Apr-13 08:38:45

It does matter. I am pretty good at maths and studying it with the OU, but I am crap at tables. I struggle with 6, 7 and 8. It really holds me up. The problem is that I never learned them by rote at school. For some reason my year didn't do much tables. I really wish I had learned them then.

flowerpowergirl Wed 03-Apr-13 08:35:01

the best way to learn tables is to have children - then you are forced to practice them every day/week. I am ace at them now smile only hope DC don't have to wait til they're 40 something!! confused

mrz Wed 03-Apr-13 08:11:05

You can get by without knowing times tables but it takes longer.

bubblesinthebath Tue 02-Apr-13 23:26:02

Can I just mention I only mastered my 3x at 16 due to repetition in my job! grin. I was bottom set for maths all through school. Then became a manager for a betting office, working out winning bets using my brain! shock confused

stressyBessy22 Tue 02-Apr-13 10:37:41

Learning times tables is very important.Absolutely fundamental

BedHanger Mon 01-Apr-13 09:23:58

Ha, I never learnt my tables, just found it impossible. And yet I have done fairly well. God I hated maths at school.

fuzzpig Mon 01-Apr-13 09:20:09

Same here FOC. DD too young for the times tables one but she has played the addition one and loves it! smile

FullOfChoc Sun 31-Mar-13 21:38:12

Squeebles is going down very well here.

bubblesinthebath Wed 27-Mar-13 22:51:53

Loving the rhymes! I second the fingers for 9x also remember its 1 up 1 down eg 9-18-27 and answers add up to 9. doubling the answers for the 2x and 3x to help with the 4x and 6x. Multiplication grid is great when Dc realize that they only have to learn half of it. I couldn't do my multiplications until I was 16 and I worked my ass off going through them, wish I knew all of this when I was younger.

bred Wed 27-Mar-13 13:38:23

Great fingers tip!

Another rhyme -
"Wakey wakey rise and shine, 7 x 7 is 49"

fuzzpig Wed 27-Mar-13 13:34:52

Ooh, squeebles seems to have lots of different educational games on iPad

<prepares bank balance to take a hit>

unlucky83 Wed 27-Mar-13 12:50:52

9 times table is easiest (except 0, 10 and 1!) ...lots of lovely patterns...
all the number add together to make 9 and first number is always one less...ie 3 x 9 = 27 (so first number is 2 (one less than 3) and 2+7 make 9.
And what samaralee said - the same backwards as forward 09 18 27 36 45 then 54 (45 backwards etc) 63 72 81 90
Also first number is always one more - eg 27 to 36 (2 becomes 3) second number is always one less ( 7 becomes 6)

Looking at pages of ten lots of each times tables to learn can be overwhelming - you only need to learn 36? (something like that anyway-might be 34 - too lazy to work it out at moment) -
eg once you know the easy ones ( 1x and 10x) - and then say up to your 6x times table - you only need to learn 3 more and you know your 7x (so 7x7, 8x7, 9x7), 2 more for your 8x table (8x8, 9x8) and just one for 9x (9x9)...(always knew this then DD1 brought a sheet home once with it laid out ..like stairs - stepping stones or something - can't remember)

I think they have understand what it means (4 lots of 2 ...vs 2 lots of four etc and 6+6+6 -so if they have a mind blank they can work it out) but having said that - I think learning by rote is important (how I learned them at PS many many years ago and then age 9-11 every day, first thing the teacher turned the board and there were 100+ mixed times tables (0x to 12x) - we had ten minutes to write just the answers and marked each others - very quickly we all got them all right!)

learnermummy Wed 27-Mar-13 12:27:26

Another vote for squeebles on the ipad. We also have this cd - recommended by someone on here. Good for helping learn by rote but also has different tracks with gaps in for testing them.
www.amazon.co.uk/Times-Tables-Learn-Songs-Games/dp/1904903967/ref=cm_lmf_tit_2

superfluouscurves Wed 27-Mar-13 09:38:15

See this thread here - lots of recommendations for Timez Attack! (My dd loves it!)

fuzzpig Tue 26-Mar-13 23:07:42

With my DSDs I made a pairs game which really helped them. 48 cards, 4 each of 2-12, two 1s and two 0s. Lay them all out face down. Pick up any two cards, say what the product is (obviously this only works once you've covered all tables, but perhaps you could adapt it for just certain tables?), you only get one guess. If you get it right, take the cards, if not, put them back and choose different cards (or if there's more than one player, it becomes someone else's turn). Keep going until all cards are gone. You can time it whenever they play to see an improvement smile

petitdonkey Tue 26-Mar-13 22:55:18

Am just marking my place- some great tips, thanks.

lunabay Tue 26-Mar-13 22:46:55

If she knows the 3 x table then she can double it to get the 6x table. Works if she can double accurately. Double tens, then units and add the two together. But practise practise practise is key. Chanting and counting in 6's on fingers too can help embed learning.

LaQueen Tue 26-Mar-13 21:02:23

DD1 had supposedly learned all her times tables by the end of Yr 3, and then had a brief refresher on them in Yr 4. I saw her times table book, all signed off by her Yr 4 teacher.

After DD1's first session with her 11+ tutor, he mentioned she would need to quickly learn her times tables hmm I was shocked, and insisted she knew them. Tutor politely disagreed, and said he'd never really had any pupil who had instant recall of their times tables, and knew them out of sequence, back to front, upside down etc - because schools no longer teach rote learning (he sighed as he said this).

Tutor said she would need instant recall, purely for speed, during the 11+ exam.

Turns out he was right, she didn't have a clue. She could stumble through a few of them, but was hopeless at the rest.

Cue Times Tables Boot Camp for the rest of that week, constant rote chanting in a sing-song voice. I got her to chant whilst in the car, in the bath, before each meal, as she got dressed, every time she washed her hands, all day, every day.

She had them down pat in 7 days. Instant recall, and could also recall them out of sequence, and inverted e.g. 'How many 7s in 49? rather than just 'What's 7 X 7?'

Peacocklady Tue 26-Mar-13 20:53:33

For 9s, put out your 10 fingers, tuck in the finger (starting from the left) of whatever you want to multiply by 9, so for example for 4 x 9 stretch out your fingers and put down your index finger (4th from left). You are left with 3 fingers on the left before the tucked in finger and 6 on the right. The number of fingers on the left= tens (in this case 30) and to the right are the units (6). Try it! (only works up to 10x9 obviously!

SamraLee Tue 26-Mar-13 19:13:45

When I was learning the 9's timetable, my mom taught me up to 9x5, then it's all backwards.

09 18 27 36 45, then the reverse of that 54 63 72 81 90. That is my only trick, which is why I only still remember 9's to this day.

Joining thread so I can come back and try out all the tips. Cheers for posting tips and for asking op!

Thanks to all the posters who have just recommended Squeebles for the ipad, I have just bought this for DS1 who is 4YO. Anything that will help and he particularly likes learning with apps when at home.

SooticaTheWitchesCat Tue 26-Mar-13 11:51:51

My DD always foudn times tables a struggle and we tried different ways of learning but really the only way that worked was by going over and over them until she had leanrt them by heart.

I told her that she only ever needs to learn them once and once she knows them she will never have to learn them again as she will always remember and that helped her put it in perspective a bit too.

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