What is the best way to get times tables into kids that don't really like maths or does it not matter?

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Kazooblue Sun 24-Mar-13 13:53:46

Dd hates maths.

2,5,10,11and 3 picked up fair effortlessly.Now we're on 6 they're going in less easily and she hates maths so how what is the best way for the rest?

I'll show her the various tricks but if all else fails is just learning by rote ok?

duchesse Tue 26-Mar-13 09:01:30

...have fun, have fun, with multiplicaaatioooon!....

I will never, ever in all my born days get that tune out of my head. Thanks for nothing, times tables tape from the 90s. And I have it all to go through again in about 4 years' time...

duchesse Tue 26-Mar-13 09:03:29

But to drag myself back into the 21st century, my sister has an app on her smart phone for her children that involves splatting the multiplication and the answer from a sea of other answers that seems rather good. I''ll ask her what it's called.

Arcticwaffle Tue 26-Mar-13 09:04:13

You can actually be quite good at maths and poor at tables. My DP was a maths whizz and he never knew his tables. Similarly he got a 1st in physics and never remembered equations, he reworked them from scratch in exams. He has quite a poor memory. My 12yo dd is similar in that she can't remember tables, or spellings, terrible memory, but she's good at maths and particularly at the sort of 3-d spatial maths ("origami maths", I call it).

I'd work on making maths fun, showing them the different patterns and how the times tables work visually, say (a bit like Meala's post).

colditz Tue 26-Mar-13 09:04:29

Bingo. Set her up with bingo cards with the answers on, and then ask her the multiplication questions.

Hulababy Tue 26-Mar-13 09:04:44

Percy Parker on iPad.
Set to songs

colditz Tue 26-Mar-13 09:05:30

Gosh slug, that snap idea is good!

CadleCrap Tue 26-Mar-13 09:07:26

Great advice on here but I think you also need to work on the "hates maths" bit aswell. She's only in primary - she'll have to do it till she 's 16 so any fun app/website and LOTS of praise will help (whicjh I'm sure you do smile)

Sugarbeach Tue 26-Mar-13 09:09:25

I have to admit, I don't know all mine by heart and I have Maths A levels and an Engineering degree....but I'm not going to say that it doesn't matter to dd, just sends the wrong message I think.

Sugarbeach Tue 26-Mar-13 09:11:28

So true CadleCrap....

Sqeeebles rocks, dd has it on her ipod touch and I have it on my android tablet.

Tables is different to maths as you are just remembering a list of facts by rote.

We always learn the bottom half 1st, 1-6, then test out of order. This gives dd confidence as she is halfway there. Then we work on the top half, invariably she will know the 10 and 11 so it only leaves 4 number facts.

Alongside learning by rote I also teach her how ro work it out when she cannot remebera number fact. Jumping off at 5 or 10 and counting up or down accordingly.

boxershorts Tue 26-Mar-13 11:18:30

we did rote learning. It stuck, but its not all that much use. In some ways you either get maths or you dont. But it matters

QuintEggSensuality Tue 26-Mar-13 11:20:28

This time table diagram style sheets helps my ds2

poppypowers Tue 26-Mar-13 11:28:29

My DS's aged 3and 4 have been listening to a CD in the car everyday on the way to and from school and on weekend trips. DS1 (4) has picked them up really quickly - we are on 7 times table now. DS2 (3) knows his 2 and 5 times table. The CD was from ELC and is great!

SooticaTheWitchesCat Tue 26-Mar-13 11:51:51

My DD always foudn times tables a struggle and we tried different ways of learning but really the only way that worked was by going over and over them until she had leanrt them by heart.

I told her that she only ever needs to learn them once and once she knows them she will never have to learn them again as she will always remember and that helped her put it in perspective a bit too.

Thanks to all the posters who have just recommended Squeebles for the ipad, I have just bought this for DS1 who is 4YO. Anything that will help and he particularly likes learning with apps when at home.

Joining thread so I can come back and try out all the tips. Cheers for posting tips and for asking op!

SamraLee Tue 26-Mar-13 19:13:45

When I was learning the 9's timetable, my mom taught me up to 9x5, then it's all backwards.

09 18 27 36 45, then the reverse of that 54 63 72 81 90. That is my only trick, which is why I only still remember 9's to this day.

Peacocklady Tue 26-Mar-13 20:53:33

For 9s, put out your 10 fingers, tuck in the finger (starting from the left) of whatever you want to multiply by 9, so for example for 4 x 9 stretch out your fingers and put down your index finger (4th from left). You are left with 3 fingers on the left before the tucked in finger and 6 on the right. The number of fingers on the left= tens (in this case 30) and to the right are the units (6). Try it! (only works up to 10x9 obviously!

LaQueen Tue 26-Mar-13 21:02:23

DD1 had supposedly learned all her times tables by the end of Yr 3, and then had a brief refresher on them in Yr 4. I saw her times table book, all signed off by her Yr 4 teacher.

After DD1's first session with her 11+ tutor, he mentioned she would need to quickly learn her times tables hmm I was shocked, and insisted she knew them. Tutor politely disagreed, and said he'd never really had any pupil who had instant recall of their times tables, and knew them out of sequence, back to front, upside down etc - because schools no longer teach rote learning (he sighed as he said this).

Tutor said she would need instant recall, purely for speed, during the 11+ exam.

Turns out he was right, she didn't have a clue. She could stumble through a few of them, but was hopeless at the rest.

Cue Times Tables Boot Camp for the rest of that week, constant rote chanting in a sing-song voice. I got her to chant whilst in the car, in the bath, before each meal, as she got dressed, every time she washed her hands, all day, every day.

She had them down pat in 7 days. Instant recall, and could also recall them out of sequence, and inverted e.g. 'How many 7s in 49? rather than just 'What's 7 X 7?'

lunabay Tue 26-Mar-13 22:46:55

If she knows the 3 x table then she can double it to get the 6x table. Works if she can double accurately. Double tens, then units and add the two together. But practise practise practise is key. Chanting and counting in 6's on fingers too can help embed learning.

petitdonkey Tue 26-Mar-13 22:55:18

Am just marking my place- some great tips, thanks.

fuzzpig Tue 26-Mar-13 23:07:42

With my DSDs I made a pairs game which really helped them. 48 cards, 4 each of 2-12, two 1s and two 0s. Lay them all out face down. Pick up any two cards, say what the product is (obviously this only works once you've covered all tables, but perhaps you could adapt it for just certain tables?), you only get one guess. If you get it right, take the cards, if not, put them back and choose different cards (or if there's more than one player, it becomes someone else's turn). Keep going until all cards are gone. You can time it whenever they play to see an improvement smile

superfluouscurves Wed 27-Mar-13 09:38:15

See this thread here - lots of recommendations for Timez Attack! (My dd loves it!)

learnermummy Wed 27-Mar-13 12:27:26

Another vote for squeebles on the ipad. We also have this cd - recommended by someone on here. Good for helping learn by rote but also has different tracks with gaps in for testing them.
www.amazon.co.uk/Times-Tables-Learn-Songs-Games/dp/1904903967/ref=cm_lmf_tit_2

unlucky83 Wed 27-Mar-13 12:50:52

9 times table is easiest (except 0, 10 and 1!) ...lots of lovely patterns...
all the number add together to make 9 and first number is always one less...ie 3 x 9 = 27 (so first number is 2 (one less than 3) and 2+7 make 9.
And what samaralee said - the same backwards as forward 09 18 27 36 45 then 54 (45 backwards etc) 63 72 81 90
Also first number is always one more - eg 27 to 36 (2 becomes 3) second number is always one less ( 7 becomes 6)

Looking at pages of ten lots of each times tables to learn can be overwhelming - you only need to learn 36? (something like that anyway-might be 34 - too lazy to work it out at moment) -
eg once you know the easy ones ( 1x and 10x) - and then say up to your 6x times table - you only need to learn 3 more and you know your 7x (so 7x7, 8x7, 9x7), 2 more for your 8x table (8x8, 9x8) and just one for 9x (9x9)...(always knew this then DD1 brought a sheet home once with it laid out ..like stairs - stepping stones or something - can't remember)

I think they have understand what it means (4 lots of 2 ...vs 2 lots of four etc and 6+6+6 -so if they have a mind blank they can work it out) but having said that - I think learning by rote is important (how I learned them at PS many many years ago and then age 9-11 every day, first thing the teacher turned the board and there were 100+ mixed times tables (0x to 12x) - we had ten minutes to write just the answers and marked each others - very quickly we all got them all right!)

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