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Y3 help?(120 Posts)
Sorry didn't quite now how to word this!
Just wondered if any teachers could help if possible? DS1 is in Y3 at a Junior School (this is relevant I think). When they did their SATS last year he got 3's across all the subjects. It wasn't written what levels on report but teacher said he was 3B in Maths and 3C in literacy.
When they assessed them at the start of Y3 he was apparently 3C in Maths and 2A in literacy...fair enough to be expected after holidays I suppose despite the fact that he did reading and maths in the holidays. They have now been assessed again and he is now a 2A in Maths and a 2C in Literacy. He is a little boy that takes everything to heart and is so upset and I don't quite know what to do to help him.
I totally understand about different teachers and with it being different schools (they are linked though) then obviously there will be variations but is it really normal for him to both fail to improve and in my opinion fall quite drastically in that period of time?
He isn't fond of writing I will say that but Im a bit stuck as to why this has happened? He is "free reading" if you can call it that...school books are a bit short on the ground (well the ones he enjoys!) so he is reading some Michael Morpugo ones (Billy the Kid etc), David Walliams and he has just finished Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. What sort of level is a 2C?
It honestly doesn't matter to me what level he is on...just want to make that clear but Im surprised that he has "fallen" this much and he is bothered by it and I want to help him.
Oh and if anyone can point me in the direction of some more books he might enjoy that would be great!
I have met Tom Palmer a couple of times - very nice bloke
Our boys love Mr Gum Jack Stalwart Astrosaurs, Axel Storm
We have had loads of the Tom Palmer ones but not Rob Childs...will add those to the list and I had no idea Terry Deary did fiction ones as well. Theo Walcott has written some football ones as well but no idea how good they are!
I think its much easier with girls books I have to say or maybe I have just got a boy who is difficult to please...I did suggest he read The Enchanted Wood the other day mainly for my benefit as I loved it so much but he read 3 pages and pronounced it "rubbish" apparently so am going to read it to myself!!
Thanks once again!
Mr Gum also a favourite. And as you probably know, Rob Childs and Tom Palmer have produced many, many books of football fiction ... at least better than reading the various football encyclopedias!
DS - another football boy - loved the Jack Stalwart series, and I used them very successfully with a Year 3 class.
There are also some good short historical fiction books by Terry Deary and others that may be sufficeintly 'Horrible History-like' to be acceptable but are actually fiction IYSWIM? A search for 'favourite period in history' (e.g. Victorian / Egyptian / whatever) in Children's Books > Fiction in Amazon is usually worth a try!
Oh Tidypidy...have never heard of those before but they sound great and just the thought of thing which would appeal to him! I did let him make a book list on amazon at the start of the week but it was literally full of football books, horrible histories and stuff like that! Will try to steer him in the direction of those I think...very gently though as if he thinks I want him to read it he won't!!
Ah, back on my pc now as opposed to my phone, and have reread the thread - Taffeta, I am really concerned that you found jodieland's post of Tue 19-Feb-13 09:27:16 9.27 the most helpful and informative you have encountered, since it contains such a huge amount of misinformation. It's hard to find anything in it which is accurate, actually, starting from the opening line (Am a teacher) and ending at the 'Lastly' point.
Seriously - massive pinch of salt.
I found the Laurence Anholt books very popular with yr 3/4 boys. Most are based on traditional stories with a twist so cinderella becomes cinderboy who wants to play for royal palace united! Might be worth a go.
Lots of boys like information books but unfortunately they don't help with writing in the same way fiction books do.
Crikey...I haven't been on for a few days and wasn't expecting that many replies!!
Yes I think mrz is right...the reading and overall comprehension etc seems to be absolutely fine and Ive come to the conclusion that its the writing that its causing the problem which I assume will have a fairly drastic impact on the overall level?
There is no way I could get him to read those books Jodieland but thank you for the suggestion though...what he actually wants is to just read information books which is absolutely fine Im pleased he is reading but Im sure thats not going to help his writing much! He loves David Walliams and Roald Dahl because they are funny so need something to appeal to his sense of humour. The Michael Morpugo books he has read have been football related as he loves that as well!
I can't remember who else it was that asked but just to reiterate...I never told him his level at all. The teacher told the whole class in front of everyone.
I know that its probably not a great idea but got some English/Literacy exercise books from WH Smiths yesterday and looked at them with him to see what he could/couldn't do mainly if there was anything I could do with at home...I actually picked up a Y4 one and he has whizzed through it no problem at all. So I think he knows what he needs to know but cannot get it down on paper in the form of a story or whatever...for example he knows where to put speech marks,punctuation etc but its the imagination and story telling part he is struggling with so thought I could encourage him to try a write a short story and try to write a bit a day so that he is really thinking about what he is writing?
No idea if it will work but its worth a try!
Many thanks for all your help everyone...it really is much appreciated!
I think the overall literacy level may be lower due to lower writing levels if the OPs son is reading Dahl, Morpurgo and Kinney for pleasure.
Back on topic for a second though I notice ihearttc wanted book recommendations. I haven't used them personally but hear a lot of good things about the Rising Stars collection All Star High collection which is aimed at struggling or reluctant readers www.risingstars-uk.com/all-series/all-star-high/ if that is the kind of thing he may be interested in? It says interest age 9-11 and reading age 7-8 so may have some words higher than 2C level but might be worth seeing if he may be interested in them?
Hehe mrz and Feenie. I am just bemusing myself as I spend most of my online time chatting to other people doing a very similar role as myself so it is the first time I have tried to explain it to people outside that network. Never realised I was so curious!
Yes I guess Feenie. I was often asked to go and support other schools within my own borough originally. My headteacher was always happy to allow that where possible. But gradually the need outside my own school grew and so I decided to take the move to working from home - mostly as I didn't want my class to keep having a supply teacher but also I didn't want to keep refusing help to schools. It felt like the right decision. Time will only tell and I suspect I will find a different role at some point when demand dies down!
Sorry mrz - never meant to confuse anyone! :-) I don't have one specific job role but to try and explain everything involved would take forever and would change again tomorrow I expect so will leave it there!
Ah, so no one 'allowed' you to become an advisor after 6 years - you are self-appointed?
My job role changes and evolves from school to school and week to week really, Feenie. It confuses me too at times ;-)
I do whatever schools need based on my expertise. Anything outside of my expertise I pass the work on to someone better placed to advise on it.
I'm getting more confused with every posts sorry josieland
No, Feenie, I am freelance. Most LA ICT advisors have been made redundant after the Harnessing Technology Funding was stopped by the new government. So I work mostly in LAs where there is no LA ICT advisor left.
I sometimes work with LA as some LAs still need occasional ICT help, i.e. a workshop available to all their schools, but mostly I work direct with schools.
So you are an ICT advisor who doesn't work with the LA?
Now I am even more confused!
I am not an advisor on assessment Feenie. I am an ICT geek essentially. I can make the data easier to manage ie spreadsheets and graphs. I train teachers on how to input their data into systems and how to analyse the data. It is a numbers and computer game. It helps teachers to spot children who have not progressed/gone backwards easier and group them by need but what they do with that information is down to the teachers and the school.
I do, of course, have discussions with headteachers but most of their practice is influenced by the LA who I do not work with as I am there to help the school individually. Schools often ask me about what other schools are doing so where I have seen great practice or know of a school who did well in inspection etc then I can pass on anecdotes but my remit does not go beyond that.
If I were an assessment advisor then yes that would be different. It can be frustrating to not have that remit but as you know my experience is not advanced enough for that - I have never been a headteacher or deputy so cannot advise on that level of issue. It is not an area I originally intended to get into - I mostly advise on use of tech for teaching and learning. But schools often need help with data so I often get asked to look at it while I am at the school training on ICT use in class. I used to be in charge of the data for my first school - not the assessment coordinator but again the making the graphs for Ofsted and borough inspections - and it was from that I learnt I had a nack for it and Ofsted were always very pleased with the data presented. So it is a role that has grown out of schools' needs rather than any desire from me to get into assessment too deeply. Although I do find it geekily fascinating ;)
But surely as an advisor you are responsible for telling schools what good practice re assessment means?
no jodieland I mean what you wrote is incorrect regardless of what you have seen
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