Phonics Phases and Reading Stages - confused

(52 Posts)
EarlyInTheMorning Mon 04-Feb-13 21:14:35

First of all, English is not my mother tongue and I have not been educated in the UK, so if I'm asking a dumb question, please bear with me.
My 5 YO DD is in Y1. She's an excellent reader, currently on Stage 10 (white), no issues reading, comprehension and expression absolutely fantastic.
However, the phonics group she's in is currently covering Phase 3. Isn't this a bit behind. My DD's writing is not very good. Could this be the reason why? Are there any online games we can do together so that I can get an idea of where the problem, if any, may be?

Jezabelle Tue 05-Feb-13 21:41:27

OK Simpson/Mrz, one of you is going to have to give me the "would, could, should, because" tip!

Jezabelle Tue 05-Feb-13 21:44:38

OK Simpson/Mrz, one of you is going to have to give me the "would, could, should, because" tip!

Loughrigg Tue 05-Feb-13 22:36:24

O(h) U lucky duck could/should/would you come and play with me?

Big elephants can't always use small exits

mrz Wed 06-Feb-13 07:04:11

Jezabelle it was simply

w -oo -d (spelling for the sound "oo" is oul)

because is two syllables

b-ee (spelling for ee is e)

k (spelling is c) or (spelling is au) s (spelling is se)

betterwhenthesunshines Wed 06-Feb-13 10:49:53

Big elephants can't always use small exits

This didnt work for my DD because she spelt 'always' orlways because that's how it sounds so we used:

Big Elephants Can Actually Use Small Exits (ie a clearer 'a' word)

EarlyInTheMorning Wed 06-Feb-13 18:46:53

Just wanted to update you. I spoke to my DD's teacher today after school. She confirmed that her reading and comprehension are excellent but her knowledge of phonics is not reflected in her spelling/writing.

mrz Wed 06-Feb-13 18:48:27

Can she write 3 sound words like cat and rain and fish?

learnandsay Wed 06-Feb-13 18:59:52

If a teacher told me that I'd ask her what on earth she was talking about. You don't use phonics for writing. And if what she actually meant was my daughter couldn't spell then I'd say. OK. Let's teach her how to spell.

mrz Wed 06-Feb-13 19:08:25

Sorry learnandsay but you do use phonics for writing

learnandsay Wed 06-Feb-13 19:11:59

I don't. I spell properly, so does my daughter. Presumably you have to stop doing it at some point then or you'll end up with older children who write gobbledegook.

simpson Wed 06-Feb-13 19:13:45

Surely in yr1 it's about them sounding out the words to spell ie "My teecha is very nise" etc etc and then they can be taught the correct way to spell things.

And it's about giving the child the confidence to give it a go rather than them constantly asking how words are spelt all the time.

mrz Wed 06-Feb-13 19:14:38

So do children who have been taught phonics ...

Yes we stop when they leave us to go to secondary school and oddly enough none write gobbledegook.

simpson Wed 06-Feb-13 19:15:40

LandS - not all parents are as hands on as you to help your child. There will be children who don't get so muxh support at home and writing phonetically will really help them (and IMO all kids really).

mrz Wed 06-Feb-13 19:16:28

Writing phonetically doesn't mean not spelling correctly!

simpson Wed 06-Feb-13 19:16:47

Oops * much* (blaming iPad!!)

learnandsay Wed 06-Feb-13 19:23:23

Writing phonetically doesn't mean not spelling correctly!

I should hope not. But I think there's a perception out there that it means writing in any way that can produce the sounds a word has in it. If a four year old writes orinj (as my daughter did) that's not the same as an eleven year old writing it.

I read a mother talking about crying when she went into her daughter's school to see her work proudly displayed on the wall in the hall. It was all written in gobbledegook. I don't recall if the age of the child was mentioned.

EarlyInTheMorning Wed 06-Feb-13 19:24:52

mrz, earlier on I asked my DD to write some of the words in the document you linked to yesterday. She wrote Flag, Twin, Train, Skill, Smart, Snap, Start, Spark, Bleed all correctly. With Bluff she inquired if there were two 'f' at the end. She didn't like doing it, got quite irritated. The handwriting itself was not very clear at all, struggled to write on the same line and keep all letters more or less the same size. End result wasn't very legible.

EarlyInTheMorning Wed 06-Feb-13 19:26:58

Sorry Mrz, in answer to your previous question, yes, she can totally write 3 letter words.

learnandsay Wed 06-Feb-13 19:28:52

Early, do you mean you read the words out and she wrote them out and spelled them correctly? And she also asked if bluff had two fs in it?

mrz Wed 06-Feb-13 19:31:08

Then she is definitely spelling beyond phase 3 of L&S

mrz Wed 06-Feb-13 19:32:32

Snap, start, train etc would be words used in phase 4.

learnandsay Wed 06-Feb-13 19:33:41

Sounds like a pretty good speller to me too. What did the teacher mean? I think you need to ask her what she means.

EarlyInTheMorning Wed 06-Feb-13 19:49:18

Yes I read the words to her and she wrote them down. I only tried those 10 words because she wasn't enjoying it. DD's teacher asked me to practice long vowel letter combinations and the ai, ee and igh sounds with her. I'll try that tomorrow.

mrz Wed 06-Feb-13 19:55:23

One spelling for "ai" "ee" ie" "oa" "ue" "oo" "oi" "ar" "er" "ou" "air" "ear" is taught in phase 3 but in phase 5 the alternatives are taught so IMHO there is no reason not to progress

EarlyInTheMorning Wed 06-Feb-13 20:04:05

Okay thank you. I'll see how she does with those sounds tomorrow.

Join the discussion

Join the discussion

Registering is free, easy, and means you can join in the discussion, get discounts, win prizes and lots more.

Register now