Stop Schools Cheating Please

(453 Posts)
twiggles Sun 20-Jan-13 11:17:02

Whatever your child is like, some primary schools and nurseries are pretending children start off at the low end, so they can pretend to inspectors of private and state schools that the child has developed only because of their teaching. If your child's advanced , some schools in rich areas take it out on the child. They won't bother giving the child attention, because the child's advanced, so they let the child coast downwards. But they give reports in writing about the child that pretend the child has started off at a low point in development and then got much better because of the teaching at the school....when the fact is the child was able to read or write when the child started at the school and as the school is giving the child little attention, the child has coasted downwards. Tha's what many schools do so they can pretend they've developed everything in the child, they want all children to be the same standard, like a photocopier. Poor children. Some teachers admit they're cheating and don't take the reports seriously and write them to impress inspectors. This is happending all over the show and I can't understand why inspectors are allowing them to get away with it. If parents start grading teachers in the school every three months the teachers won't be able to hide what's going on to the inspectors and teachers who are pretending might stop. Teachers that aren't giving inspectors the facts need to be stopped...they're not giving children an honest education.

mrz Sun 10-Mar-13 10:16:11
twiggles Tue 12-Mar-13 14:07:25

Teachers write reports about children.
Teachers grade children, sometimes as early as four.
Some teachers cheat, pretending they've added value.
How do parents and children of teachers who cheat feel.
Why are some teachers getting away with cheating.
Is it because they want a better report from the inspectors.
If teachers were graded by parents and their children every term, they'd find it more difficult to cheat. They'd also have a reason to be more polite to pupils and their parents.
Why don't some teachers want to be graded by the parents of and children they teach. The best teachers would benefit from grading. It would bring them out of the shadows. Top teachers would shine.

Snorbs Tue 12-Mar-13 15:55:01

Twiggle's Report Card:

Listening in class - "E"
Twiggles must pay better attention when asked questions and endeavour to answer them or, at least, explain why those questions cannot / will not be answered.

Evidence-Based Reasoning - "E"
While Twiggles is very good at making impassioned claims she needs to work on her ability to produce reasoned arguments. In particular, her ability to evaluate and produce evidence to back up her assertions needs serious work.

Entertainment Value - "C"
Although she started off promisingly her entertainment value has waned. Bit too much of a one-trick pony?

mrz Tue 12-Mar-13 17:16:42

If teachers were graded by parents and their children every term, they'd find it more difficult to cheat.

You are totally barking ....

Common sense -U

Labro Tue 12-Mar-13 17:44:16

Using that reasoning Twiggles, everybody would be entitled to grade and report on everybody else, so children would grade their parents, teachers would also grade parents as parents are grading them etc.

When my ds was 4, I was told in a family court that he didn't have the capacity to make informed decisions based on his age.

So, a 4 yr old 'grading' a teacher would read:

I think Miss X is good because she looks like goldilocks and I like her jumper.

I think Mr Y is bad because he looks like Noddy and he smells.

Yep, that would be so useful in sorting out your personal issues with how your childs teacher has taught her so far.

Euphemia France Tue 12-Mar-13 17:44:53

Yeah, because parents would be so much better at spotting cheating than the inspectorate ... hmm

learnandsay Tue 12-Mar-13 18:14:24

Each parent has to write the grade down, fold the paper over and pass it to the parent on their left. Then each has to phone an absent parent and tell him or her the grade. Each absent parent has to come to the school at the earliest opportunity and put that grade next to the name of the parent he or she thinks gave the grade to his or her parent who was present. The grades are then tallied and an average is taken.

I think it's quite a good idea.

Feenie Tue 12-Mar-13 18:21:36

Why don't some teachers want to be graded by the parents of and children they teach.

In case they are as bonkers as you.

cumbrialass Tue 12-Mar-13 18:28:40

And parents clearly know more about teaching and learning then the two Heads who observed me teach this morning! So if the Heads say I'm Outstanding and the parents say I'm cr*p, who should I believe?

clam Tue 12-Mar-13 18:34:20

^ Yeah. What feenie said.

But come on people. Why are we giving the OP any airtime at all? She's clearly barking. regrets not being allowed to tell her to f* off

Euphemia France Tue 12-Mar-13 18:36:05

But you see, Cumbrialass, the Heads and you are all in it together. You're all colluding to pull the wool over parents' and inspectors' eyes.

So obviously the parents' views would take precedence.

grin

cumbrialass Tue 12-Mar-13 18:50:19

It didn't feel like we were in it togethersad

Labro Tue 12-Mar-13 18:52:24

But I'm a parent and can clearly see the problems with this! If for example my ds teacher walked in to twiggles place of work and decided to 'grade' her on the basis that she has to write reports about the people she works for and with (which is what a teacher does as well as the million other things they have to do) twiggles would go mad. As I've said before, if an individual (in this case twiggles) feels the need to complain about an individual teacher and their short comings around their personal experience then by all means raise the appropriate complaint with the appropriate governing body - there are 'bad' professionals in every walk of life - but why assume that we need yet another 'system'?!

Labro Tue 12-Mar-13 19:04:43

oh and just out of interest, I asked my 11 yr old ds what he'd write about his teachers! He said Mrs X is an old bag because she always expects homework in on time and Mr Y is fab because he lets us use the computers at lunchtime - so that would really give me an insight into their teaching skills wouldn't it!

exoticfruits Tue 12-Mar-13 19:13:52

Speaking as a parent, rather than a teacher, I don't want my DCs teachers graded by parents as bonkers as OP. She seems to have completely missed out on common sense.
I said that I would continue correcting but it is too boring.
I would like to be given evidence. How many schools and where is the proof?

Snorbs Tue 12-Mar-13 20:27:49

Teachers write reports about children. Factually correct

Teachers grade children, sometimes as early as four. Factually correct

Some teachers cheat, pretending they've added value. [citation needed]

How do parents and children of teachers who cheat feel. Begging the question

Why are some teachers getting away with cheating. Begging the question

Is it because they want a better report from the inspectors. Correlation does not prove causation

If teachers were graded by parents and their children every term, they'd find it more difficult to cheat. [citation needed]

They'd also have a reason to be more polite to pupils and their parents. Appeal to consequences

Why don't some teachers want to be graded by the parents of and children they teach. [citation needed]

The best teachers would benefit from grading. It would bring them out of the shadows. Top teachers would shine. Appeal to consequences

2/10. Must try harder.

Euphemia France Tue 12-Mar-13 20:32:30

Snorbs! grin

Feenie Tue 12-Mar-13 20:48:07

grin

exoticfruits Tue 12-Mar-13 20:54:36

Love it! grin

ShipwreckedAndComatose Tue 12-Mar-13 20:54:46

You are absolutely bloody kidding me!!!

Like a rubber ball this thread!!

clam Tue 12-Mar-13 21:03:58

I'm almost embarrassed to ask this, but has the OP actually said how..... oh, what's the point?

<<shrugs>>

exoticfruits Tue 12-Mar-13 22:01:40

She has got one point- regardless of what is said she comes back with the one point. Unless the evidence arrives I can't see how you move on.

MrsMushroom Tue 12-Mar-13 22:08:12

Have to say...I was a bit perplexed at my DDs school's stats page on Ofsted. It's a high performing outstanding state in a very well off area. Most parents are professionals...children arrive well taught...some able to read and write and others on the way to that and yet the results for early years are FAR below the standard you might expect from this demographic. Then they shoot up in KS2.

I was confused when I saw the stats.

morethanpotatoprints Tue 12-Mar-13 23:07:57

OMG who brought this back to life.

Twiggles you talk twaddle.

exoticfruits Wed 13-Mar-13 04:10:23

Twiggles brought it back to life. She had no agreement the first time around so she thought she might get different people and a different reaction the second time. This was unlikely because she had nothing new to add and has never given a scrap of evidence. No doubt if she comes back again she will just repeat her point, still without evidence.
Why she simply can't bring it up with the Head at her DC's school ,goodness only knows. (or why she thinks it happens in schools outside her personal experience).

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