Does Saxon food matter?

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learnandsay Mon 31-Dec-12 10:21:01

When I can I take my daughter to historical re-enactments. We haven't been to many yet and those that we have been to she hasn't liked much, except parts of Norwich castle.) The Viking one that we went to recently had open fires and the smoke got in her eyes. Then men with chain-mail and heavy shields fought and she asked if we could go home! But she did seem to absorb lots of details about their clothes, their food, their cooking methods and so on. So, even though she claimed not to have liked it I think that trip was worth it. Thinking about King Alfred makes me think of Saxon food. But in practice it seems so similar to Viking food that it doesn't seem worth making a special effort to visit such a re-enactment. Would this be fair? My daughter is very young. I think perhaps we'll visit Winchester when she's older. But for now we'll read about Sutton Hoo, (maybe visit) but beyond that will leave the Saxons alone.

MmeLindorNOTYET40 Mon 31-Dec-12 11:20:20

I'm concerned that you will so overload your DD that she will switch off entirely. You are interested in history, your DD will pick up on your interests but if you push this much detail at her all the time, then she will likely start asking for Malibu Barbie and pink nail polish.

Dial it back a little and do some stuff that she actually enjoys.

WhenAChildIsBawnTigga Mon 31-Dec-12 11:20:31

just marking my place as this thread is v 'interesting'

LOLTiggaxx

learnandsay Mon 31-Dec-12 11:22:14

Well, she only got smoke in her eyes once. We've done lots of other things. I don't consider history to be just standing downwind of smoky fires.

CheeseStrawWars Mon 31-Dec-12 11:24:27

I'm going to repost the bit of Grimma's post you seem to have missed:

"Whatever you do don't overdo your own pet passion if your kid is reluctant (my DH turned DD right off geology for a while - fortunately I think geography teacher at a more appropriate age has mended that)"

And from your OP - "even though she claimed not to have liked it I think that trip was worth it". Worth it for who? You need to get your head around what is age-appropriate for her.

SetPhasersTaeMalkie Mon 31-Dec-12 11:24:36

Well, that's good to know OP.

learnandsay Mon 31-Dec-12 11:25:19

You can also get smoke in your eyes from a barbecue. But I wouldn't suggest going to the sea side and Happy Meals as a permanent replacement.

BlatherskitedaboutChristmas Mon 31-Dec-12 11:25:45

Agree with Grimma entirely

SetPhasersTaeMalkie Mon 31-Dec-12 11:28:12

It all sounds a little extreme. Try to find some middle ground between The Saxons and McDonalds.

learnandsay Mon 31-Dec-12 11:28:21

OK, cheese. But I think some of the outrage here is a bit beyond the target. I'm not suggesting that my whole family takes part in one of these TV re-enactments where the whole family spends a year living in the Iron Age.

InExitCelsisDeo Mon 31-Dec-12 11:28:34

Living museums give me mild hysteria. I would rather poke red hot pokers in my eyes, but each to their own.

I am sure there was a great difference between Saxon and Viking food and you should research it in detail.

Whilst your DD gets out the playdough?

TheNebulousBoojum Mon 31-Dec-12 11:29:56

What response do you want learnandsay?

learnandsay Mon 31-Dec-12 11:31:38

theneblous, this is a forum. People post their opinions. I post mine.

GrimmaTheNome Mon 31-Dec-12 11:32:34

> I'm not sure that anybody actually needs to know anything about history, do they? I mean couldn't we junk it entirely?

Oh no. Some historical knowledge - at higher levels - is important in thinking about the development of the human race, how things worked out in the past, how the past informs the present - current conflicts have their root in history. You can't reallly access a lot of literature without a context of historical knowledge - and great literature is one of the best ways to understand human nature.

There are all sorts of things we don't need to know, per se - but we'd be bored and boring people if we didn't know anything but essentials. For small children, exposure to a wide variety of matters in ways they enjoy is hugely enriching. If your child loves museums - wonderful! But if they prefer stomping around Vinolanda in the rain then that's good too grin.

MmeLindorNOTYET40 Mon 31-Dec-12 11:33:42

No, you are missing the point.

Your DD is not an extension of you. She may share your interest in history, she may not.

Parents who are obsessed with a particular hobby or passion and drag reluctant kids along should not be surprised if the child then turns away from their interest.

Wether that passion is history, science, star wars or classic cars - don't over do it.

IWipeArses Mon 31-Dec-12 11:33:56

That book looks good Nebulous, I've stuck that on my wishlist.
Mumsnet, ever educational.

mrz Mon 31-Dec-12 11:33:59

cookit.e2bn.org/historycookbook/28-326-saxons-vikings-Food-facts.html

If she's not enjoying it I would wait rather than risk putting her off totally.
I confess my daughter was taking part in Viking camps at a much younger age but she was as much of a "Viking groupie" as her mum by the age of 3 and when she was 5 or 6 helped build an (authentic) Anglo Saxon wattle and daub hall.

Bede's World will provide Saxon food for group visits I'm not sure if they do it at other times

learnandsay Mon 31-Dec-12 11:35:51

Great post, mrz.

Thanks.

TheNebulousBoojum Mon 31-Dec-12 11:37:24

That doesn't answer my question, learnandsay. What are you hoping to get from posting your opinion?
I've been to hundreds of re-enactments, museums, activites and buildings with my children. They have cooked and whittled and wattled and daubed and fenced and shot and learned and played. One loved it and still does, one liked bits of it until she got to be around 10ish and then moved away from history as a choice.
What do you want?
You ask about re-enactments, but I haven't a clue where you live, so is that what you actually want, or are you just messing around with us?

learnandsay Mon 31-Dec-12 11:38:50

In part to your question, the neblous, I think in was particularly the smoke in her eyes that my daughter was objecting to not history or re-enactments per se.

BlatherskitedaboutChristmas Mon 31-Dec-12 11:39:33

Unless your daughter is massively interested in the Saxons - and it doesn't sound like she is - then I would say No, Saxon food does not matter at all for a 4 and a half year old.

You risk making her hate it if you are a single minded about the subject as your op and selective post reading suggests.

JugglingMeYorkiesAndNutRoast Mon 31-Dec-12 11:42:51

Posting because this thread came up as top in active convo's - slightly bizarrely !

Agree it seems rather crazily specific grin

But it has inspired me to take my DC's to some re- enactments, castles, and stately homes in the New Year - Then when they're grown up and criticize their up-bringing at least I can say "But I took you to Stately Homes" wink

Apologies to any Stately Homes survivors on here - I know it's not a laughing matter really and do empathise. But you have to take your humour where you can find it sometimes ?!

DameFannyGallopsBEHINDyou Mon 31-Dec-12 11:43:41

I think the most important thing we've taught ds so far it's that his opinion matters to us, that we'll change our mind about something if he makes a valid argument, and that we will never dismiss his feelings.

Do you do any of that with your dd?

simpson Mon 31-Dec-12 11:45:24

Seriously is this a wind up???

My DD is 4 and it would be my idea of Hell and hers too...

Her 7 year old brother is going to see the changing of the guards at Buckingham Palace and is really excited....that is more age appropriate IMO....

noblegiraffe Mon 31-Dec-12 11:45:33

Why just the Saxons? If you're interested in history, then why not go right back with a trip to the Natural History Museum to look at the dinosaurs? Or to Norwich Castle to look at the Egyptians?

bruffin Mon 31-Dec-12 11:46:32

I dont get what you are asking either.

Are you complaing about the reinactments because your 4 year old isnt entirely enthralled by them?

I agree with the others you really need tovtake a step back including the reading and let your dd be a little girl.

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