High teaching staff turnover - common?

(85 Posts)
PasMoi Sat 07-Jul-12 20:44:51

What level of teaching staff turnover do you consider unacceptable versus inevitable?

Background - affluent suburban area, 80% of class teaching staff leaving this year and almost all specialised teachers, not a single member of the teaching staff in post more than 2 or 3 years. The head is there about 5 years and most of the long-term staff left almost immediately then. However the board of governors is standing by the headteacher who is not popular with parents.

Trying to work out if it's time to withdraw my DC from this school, which of course will be very hard as multiple school places are as rare as hens' teeth around here.

Are teaching jobs that easy to find?!

AbigailS Sat 07-Jul-12 21:48:24

I'm not denying there are poor leaders out there, but I must be lucky as the majority of the leadership teams in the schools I've supported are committed and professional. The reason I'm there is because they want to support their staff.

Tiago Sat 07-Jul-12 21:54:10

80% us really very high. My SIl worked in a school where that happened - and it was entirely down to the head being a bitch towards all the teachers. School got good of stead reports, but the staff were just too miserable to stay. SiL moved to another school and now gets excellent ofsted assessments without the nightmare boss.

alphabite Sat 07-Jul-12 21:57:30

You definitely must be lucky Abigail which is good at it means there are some good people out there.

I left teaching completely after severe bullying by the head and deputy (and believe me I HATE to use the word bullying). I was put on anti depressants by my doctor, I was seeing double regularly throughout the day due to stress, I lost a stone and a half in weight as I couldn't eat. I couldn't sleep and was crying daily. I threw up regularly and had severe headaches daily. I forced myself to work rather than going on the sick as I refused to give them the satisfaction of seeing me suffer. Without the amazing teaching team and TAs around me I wouldn't have survived.

My teaching was deemed good during observations with outstanding features, my class made 3 sublevels progress a year (KS1). I had leadership qualifications and led my subject with a great deal of success. Suddenly after 6 years of teaching they decided to make my life hell and believe me it was hell. They later did the same to others too but no one felt they could do anything as we still needed references. It still makes me feel sick when I think of it all.

mumnosbest Sat 07-Jul-12 21:57:38

i think some SMT confuse pushing teachers towards better teaching and pushing in order for promotion. i've been told in the past that 'i lack ambition' and should 'seek broader experiences'. what my (past) SMT didnt consider was that i like many am happy being a good class teacher/subject leader and that thats enough. im more than happy to receive support to enhance my teaching but dont want more work responsibility.

alphabite Sat 07-Jul-12 21:59:03

It was because I dared to say I was looking for other jobs.

darthsillius Sat 07-Jul-12 22:00:53

Alphsbites were you in west London?

alphabite Sat 07-Jul-12 22:04:09

No darthsillius.

PasMoi Sat 07-Jul-12 22:04:42

I fear that the reasons listed here are similar to our situation. Hearsay suggests that teachers are being vocal to some parents as to their reasons but again, references are so important.

The BOG are more than aware of the unhappiness of the parents but have sent out a letter expressing confidence in the leadership team.

darthsillius Sat 07-Jul-12 22:05:33

That's a shame as there must be at least 2 of those schools.

alphabite Sat 07-Jul-12 22:06:58

Sadly there is more dathsillius. I have lots of friends in the teaching world and I also did supply for a bit so got to know lots of schools. It is far too common.

mumnosbest Sat 07-Jul-12 22:11:26

lol @ BOG! very appropriate initials for ours, full of

AbigailS Sat 07-Jul-12 22:11:32

My sympathies alphabite, that was appaling for you and I hope you are doing well now. I agree mumnosbest, why shouldn't staff be happy being an amazing classteacher; why should "doing well" mean they have to want promotions. I'm an ex-head, I gave up after having my second child, and would never want to go back to it. I did it because it was expected, I was flattered to be thought capable of it and at the time I thought I wanted it. I hated it! Now people can't see why I'm not planning to look for a headship post now my children are getting older.

hellhasnofurylikeahungrywoman Sat 07-Jul-12 22:18:44

I am a rat deserting a sinking ship. Our HT is a bully but just can't see it, it is worrying that it is a fairly common occurrence though.

exoticfruits Sat 07-Jul-12 22:22:47

The only times that I have known it happen is when you get a new Head who is horrible to work for. It makes for an unhappy school.

mumnosbest Sat 07-Jul-12 22:24:25

good for you abigail. if you do ever go back to it let me know i'll come and work for you smile

darthsillius Sat 07-Jul-12 22:27:49

I looked around a school recently and the head was so incredibly boastful and full of herself said that most if thestsff had been here for 2 years ie just after she arrived. I decided not to apply for the job. Ironically she talked about how there was no bullying of children. I bet there was of staff though.

exoticfruits Sat 07-Jul-12 22:29:17

Saying that there was no bullying of children would put me off - how they deal with it is the important part.

AbigailS Sat 07-Jul-12 22:30:18

Sorry mumnosbest, unless you have a weather forecast for hell freezing overwink. My own well-being isn't worth the money!

darthsillius Sat 07-Jul-12 22:33:08

She said so many awful things. She said she don't put up with moaners (how would she classify bullied kids) and that no one should ever come to her with a problem, only a solution.

yanbu123456 Sat 07-Jul-12 22:58:40

I am at the same school OP and have direct messaged you.

Can anyone advise us on what we can do if the governors don't listen to parents' concerns. What would our next steps be?

AbigailS Sat 07-Jul-12 23:01:43

The school should have a written complaints procedure, if you can't access it speak to the LA.

yanbu123456 Sat 07-Jul-12 23:34:53

Thanks, I've found that on the website now.

We need to see if the GB respond appropriately first.

RiversideMum Sun 08-Jul-12 07:15:20

I think there is very little you can do. The Govs, usually in association with the LA, appointed the HT and are very unlikely to admit they have made a mistake, particularly if the Ofsted is good. If it is a church school of any sort, there may be someone in the diocese responsible for education that you can talk to. I'd recommend looking for a move.

exoticfruits Sun 08-Jul-12 07:24:05

It isn't easy. I'm sure that staff wouldn't have moved had there been a solution. There is a primary school near me where a new Head came and every teacher left within 2 years! It was not natural movement- they went because they were not happy with her management. The school got an outstanding Ofsted - so you can't complain about the Head although she is dire!

GateGipsy Sun 08-Jul-12 07:50:24

but I bet Abigail that you don't have an 80% turnover. I think that's high, and would indicate to me that there's something wrong. The performance of a class, even a high performing one, always goes down when a teacher leaves mid-year, it is always the case. They will go back up again if well managed but it still isn't good for their progress.

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