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Levels at year 6.

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goodbyemrschips · 31/03/2011 07:49

What level should a child be when leaving year 6?

Thanks in advance.

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Goblinchild · 31/03/2011 07:51

4b national average, most of our children leave at a 4a with around a third at a 5c.
Depends on your child, are they average?

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goodbyemrschips · 31/03/2011 08:04

My child is in year 4 at the moment and is a 3a in maths and english.

So he has two years to get to a 4b and that would be average?

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Goblinchild · 31/03/2011 08:06

If he's a 3a now, he'll be expected to make a level progress in two years, so he's aiming for at least a 4a at the end of Y6.
That's why I said it depends on the child.

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goodbyemrschips · 31/03/2011 08:07

So he is doing ok then?

Teacher says so but they always say that. He a polite nice lad lots of friends and doing well.

Just wanted to hear it from a anon person ....thanks

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Asinine · 31/03/2011 08:21

If they go to state secondary they will do CATS early on, which are also used for setting and targets in years7-9. So don't worry, They will get to know your child and will not just rely on the primary results.

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lovecheese · 31/03/2011 09:43

Goblinchild, hello, quick question, sorry for hijacking OP BlushSmile. If a child was currently 3b - but just nudging a 3a - in numeracy, and a 4a in lit where could I expect her to be at the end of yr6. I know there are lots of if's, what's and maybe's, but what would be your gut-reaction answer? Thanks.

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JoanofArgos · 31/03/2011 09:44

how old is the child now, would be the main question?

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lovecheese · 31/03/2011 09:45

God, sorry, good point. Yr5.

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JoanofArgos · 31/03/2011 10:00

Maybe 5b in literacy and 4a in numeracy? But really I'm just guessing based on kids I know - I'm not a teacher!

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lovecheese · 31/03/2011 10:04

Is the disparity between the lit and num progress due it being harder to get higher levels in lit?

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MillsAndDoom · 31/03/2011 11:27

I was told 2 sub level's progress a year is normal

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BrigitBigKnickers · 31/03/2011 16:58

He still has a term in year 4 so might reach 4c by the end of the year. This would suggest at least 4a possibly 5c by the end of year 6.

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Feenie · 31/03/2011 17:29

Depends what progress a child makes. Two sublevels progress per year is good progress, according to Ofsted. One and a half sublevels in satisfactory progress.

Most schools aim for good progress.

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goodbyemrschips · 31/03/2011 17:37

Good info thanks............and no worries about anyone else asking a ? on levels.

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goodbyemrschips · 04/04/2011 18:09

Just had paerents evening and he is now a

3a in maths

4a in english.

I am well chuffed.

He is year four.

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Anice · 04/04/2011 18:14

but is 4b average. Because if its average then doesn't that mean that half the children in Britain would be below this point and the other half above it? (Intelligence in normally distributed??) However 80% of children are at this point or above it.

So isn't 4b more like a minimum threshold for most children to achieve and at least half to exceed?

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Feenie · 04/04/2011 18:15

4b is the expected level, not the average - courtesy of David Blunkett.

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goodbyemrschips · 04/04/2011 18:32

I was just told at parents evening 4b is the national average when leaving year 6.

So my son has already acheived better than that in year 4 in english and nearly there in maths with 2 1/2 years to go.

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Anice · 04/04/2011 18:40

my children's primary school also says 4B is the average but they only say it VERBALLY. In writing they pick their words more carefully when it becomes the "expected level".

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Feenie · 04/04/2011 18:42

See Playing Politics with the 3Rs this - very interesting article!

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easterbunnyhopsback · 04/04/2011 19:28

I had a case of scary stats the other day too!
I have 18 children out of 30 who are reading at L3. My target tracker average was coming out at 2B! We looked at it carefully, and this was due to the SEN and slow learners at 2C and L1 pulling down the average.
I was gobsmacked how my (fairly good) results could average so averagely!

Stats are a science, used subtlely by government departments!

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Anice · 05/04/2011 12:01

aren't you allowed to exclude the SEN? I did stats for a job for many years in a commercial environment (and i have a degree in maths) and the idea is that you make the stats meaningful. Excluding the outliers is acceptable as long as you do it in a fair and unbiased way. So you should also exclude any geniuses who are at 5A!

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Feenie · 05/04/2011 12:16

No, you can't exclude SEN children from the figures. The league tables state how many SEN children you have in the cohort though.

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Anice · 05/04/2011 12:18

it doesn't come up on a quick scan then. they should add median and mode. A lot of people only understand "average" though so as a school you are pretty much stuffed as far as the league tables go if you have a high proportion of SEN

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Anice · 05/04/2011 12:18

(I guess I am have just realised what you already know!)

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