problems on the school run - girls falling out - what to do? (sorry - long)(36 Posts)
I'm sitting here in tears with worry about my DD age 10. I've just had the mother of one DD's best friends on my doorstep saying that my daughter said 'something' to another girl (A) on the walk to school, which upset A so much that she didn't want to talk to DD or walk with her. A walked off in tears with her elder sister. DD & A haven't really got on very well in the past, they are quite different personalities.
The message that came through from the mother who came to see me is that she doesn't want my daughter walking to school with her daughter & A any more. She said this is because there have been 'niggles' in the car, so I think she's had enough of the disagreements they have (she gives DD a lift part of the way home a few times a week, which is entirely up to her, I had nothing to do with the arrangement & DD & I were quite happy for DD to walk the last part on her own). She asked me whether I was happy with DD walking to school on her ow... which she could do, but I think she would be very upset & I don't like to think of her walking by herself at only 10 years old (we have a 3-tier school system so they walk from 9 years).
DD has had various different arrangements over the last year & a half, which seem to break down due to various disagreements. The first arrangement was OK until she & the one other girl fell out, then they both decided to walk in a big group with 4 others, but then one of the other girls (B) told DD that she hadn't 'asked permission' from B's mother to walk with them! That, & problems with 'so & so walking off' or 'they talk about things I'm not interested in all the way home', led to her changing arrangements again to the current one.
I really don't want to get involved with the mothers, as I would much prefer DD to sort this out herself with her friends, but I feel pressurised to speak to A's mum. The mother who turned up this morning said that A's mum will be worried "all day" about whether her daughter will be "scared" that DD is going to be waiting at the school gates to walk home with her .
DH is quite hard on DD & thinks she is rubbish at relationships with other girls, I'm softer on her & think it's all part of growing up, but this sort of thing makes me worry that she's the problem here, & that other parents think that too, which really upsets me. DD's fine at home - generally kind, helpful, occasionally tearful & stroppy like most pre-teens, whenever she has friends over they seem fine together and giggle a lot etc. What do I do?
I feel like I'm being told to resolve this before tomorrow morning as the mother who came to see me wants this sorted out before the school run. Do I speak to A's mother? How can I tell DD that she's no longer wanted?
dead tall , everyone feels they can't deal with some things, it's good that it's have term so the situation has time to calm down and you can get your thoughts together, you'll be fine, thinking of you. thanks for the flowers, that's kind of you.
Good luck...I know it's hard but I hope you'll muster the courage. I'm the chickening-out type too in that sort of situation so I completely understand.
Go on, we'll think of you and, in the words of Gloria form Modern Family, we'll be the wind in your back and not the spit in your face. ;)
We've had a lot of problems this year with dd's relationships with her friends that started off with issues about who walks to school with who, and has ended up with serious parental involvement and three sets of parents telling their girls not to associate with one of the other girls.
It all got really quite nasty and is very sad as they all used to be good friends, and I wouldn't usually expect to get involved (they are 12 so really should be able to sort this sort of thing out between them).
I would go in to school and ask if there is some underlying problem as there seems to be a bit of a pattern of falling out with other girls.
Me too, thanks again mrsfuzzy
I chickened out today, twice, but will try again. I'm going to speak to her form tutor after half term (last day before the break tomorrow ) so hopefully they can keep an eye on things.
MrsFuzzy's plan sounds good to me. It is not confrontational and makes it cler that your daughter is upset.
I would never have told my DD's who and who not to walk with. . Perhaps you could also mention that you would feel that it would be safer for your DD to walk with friends.
Have you contacted the school about this yet? I would write down everything that has happened before you do then you won't forget anything.
you only needto do that if you have a forgetful brain like mine
exactly what mrsfuzzy said
only thing I'd add is to try and ask the Mum's individually and face to face, stand a better chance of getting the truth that way I think
i would ask in a nice way "is there a problem with them walking together? the girls seem to have stopped, i was wondering why that might be as my dd is a bit upset about it, the girls seem to think they need permission to walk with other children, i know it sounds silly but that's kids for you," well, you get the general idea and see what their response is. one of two things will happen they will either say they can't walk together full stop and not give a reason, they have the problem not you, or they will feel rather silly because you are making light of the situation and deny all knowledg of ever saying such a thing. whatever happens i'd keep it light and friendly. good luck.
DD had no-one to walk home with today, when she bumped into 2 girls she used to walk with, they told her they weren't allowed to walk with her because she doesn't have permission from their mums. DD wants to know why she has to have permission, why she hasn't got this, & has asked me to ask one of the mothers. I know the mothers quite well, for about 5 years, and socialise with both of them occasionally. I get on fine with both of them.
Would you ask? If so, how would you phrase the question?
deadtall, really pleased for you and dd, great news, keep us posted!
Good luck DT we live in Scotland and I think children out in the sticks here can get to take their time growing up (dd will be 12 before she starts secondary, and ds has been at their school since he was 3, with the nursery attached to the school). I think having older siblings makes some kids grow up quicker too.
Glad to hear your dd is having a better week, she is learning some tough lessons about adult behaviour to say the least. I agree about the ups & downs of friendships - it is a tricky line to tread, especially with the adults negative interference !
we've got 3 tier system here too and I agree it makes the yr 5 and 6s grow up a bit too fast
I'm glad things seem to have got a bit better this week if things do start getting tricky again I'd think seriously about contacting the school, either form tutor or if they're not all in the same form try the head of year. It does sound like it's the mothers with the problem, but an assembly / pshce (or whatever your school calls it) on being good friends and thinking about other people's feelings might help.
thanks Cahoots. It certainly can
I am glad it went ok today. It can be a bit up and downy with girls at this age.
Things seem to be looking up a bit
She walked part of the way home with some other girls on Monday, and yesterday she came home all smiles having walked home with friend who she hasn't mentioned before. She seems to have arranged to meet with this girl and her sister every morning a couple of minutes from our house. So fingers crossed this arrangement lasts a bit.
Cycling isn't an option at the moment, it's a very busy road with lots of commuter & school traffic (and she doesn't currently have a bike, I've just remembered !)
TapselteerieO & MayTheOdds you've certainly given me food for thought - as we have a 3 tier school system here the Y5 & Y6 children do seem to have to grow up rather quickly, taking responsibility for remembering school stuff, walking to school etc. Sometimes I know I treat DD like a 13 year old - she's so tall and mature in may ways (taller than DS who is 2 yrs younger!) that it's easy to forget she's only 10. Depending on how this new arrangement works I'm might offer to pick her up halfway home a couple of times a week, when she's got all her PE kit etc.
Your poor dd
I do think part of the problem though is the ages of the girls. I understand why you're happy for her to walk, but at ten the walk to school is going to be more structured (for want of a better term) so obviously the mums are putting plans in place, and I can totally see where some (not all!) of them are coming from such as not wanting an older sibling to feel responsible. I can also see why they are getting involved so they know who is with their child and that there'll be no problems or messing around, though I'm not suggesting at all that your dd would cause that
If you can get over this blip things will get so much better as they get older, it will be more relaxed and the children will just drift more with different friends
I do feel awful for your dd in the meantime though and I hope you can find a solution you're both happy with
Can your dd cycle to school?
Maybe the parents walking their children to school feel some resentment about your child tagging along with theirs - they feel responsible for your dd, but don't want to be, especially if they are having to deal with squabbling? I am not condoning their behaviour, just trying to figure out why.
Is there no way you could walk with her, or even go half way morning or afternoon? It would be great for your dd's confidence to know you are going to be there at some point. Even if you can do it a few times a week, you might get an idea of what you can do to help protect your dd?
If she can't cycle can she go on a scooter, it would speed up her journey, maybe help her feel less lonely/ostracised and side step the issue.
My dd gets the school bus and there are plenty of fall outs, but at least there are no adults taking sides! I wouldn't wait to talk to the school, just to let them know the issues.
they don't sound like grown women just silly bitchy little girls in a nasty little gang. dead tall, how are things now are you and your daughter okay?
I'm appalled by these mothers' behaviours. I feel for you and your daughter, I hope it will all fall into place soon.
I really can't believe these grown-up women can't stop for a second to think of what they are doing to a little girl's feelings!
it comes across a form of bullying all round, this mothers ought to be ashamed of themselves and for 'poisoning ' thier daughters minds. i think asking at school would be a good idea.
although I should say it's not really the girls who are my main problem here!
bigmouth our DS has been fine with his walk to school, the odd bad day, but now in Yr 8 and walks by himself some days, but mostly with mates who he has fallen in and out with over the years. Boys don't seem to harbour grudges like girls do...
Cahoots I'm going to try and leave speaking to the school until after half term if it's still a problem. I may have a chat with the form tutor to see if she can just keep an eye on DD in case this affects her during the day
crumbs deadtall - this sounds horrible for you and your daughter - I really hope it all blows over and those other interfering mother's get over themselves. [flowers]
I have the prospect of my ds walking to middle school next Sept to look forward too, I just hope it is not such a minefield for him.
I really, really feel for your DD (and you ) It is hard to give advice but I hope this blows over sooner rather than later. It all seems very full on for such young girls. Have you spoken to the school yet?
Your poor dd, sounds like she is more mature than these other mothers! I hope it gets sorted out soon.
Well I seem to be the only one not organising my child's walk to school for them. DD has tried other options, and she's been met by a brick wall.
One girl walks with her older sister, so I asked on DD's behalf (as she's afraid of rejection) but their mother doesn't want her oldest DD to have the 'responsibility' of walking my DD to school (which is not what I would see it as, but it makes no difference to her).
Another group of 4 has told DD that two of their mothers have told them that they should not walk with DD because of 'problems before' and because DD 'didn't ask their permission' to walk with their DDs. That's because I left it to them to organise it!!! Either there's a problem here with my DD, which no-one is telling me about, or she's being excluded everywhere for what I see as a feeble reason.
She doesn't want me to speak to any other mothers to ask about walking with their DDs as she thinks (and possibly quite rightly) that they will turn against her for 'going behind their backs' and getting me to talk to their Mums.
So DD walked to and from school by herself today. More tears this morning and after school
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