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Hyperemesis Support

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LucindaE Sat 26-Apr-14 20:20:41

I hope everyone suffering from the Horrors of Hyperemesis will find this thread useful as a source of support and information.

There's no TMI on here - can't be by definition - and nobody should feel ashamed of moaning as much as they feel the need to.

MOH's wonderful website is full of useful information on this illness:
Another invaluable website is:
If you need help in obtaining medication, this phone number is
024 7638 2020

Lastly, the NICE guidelines on treatment are useful:

I would like to thank Everyone who has given such invaluable support and advice on this and on previous threads.

Remember when you are at your worst, 'This Too Shall Pass'. It really will.
So many women on this thread have thought they couldn't get through this, but they did.

LucindaE Sat 26-Apr-14 20:24:58

OK, I've placed comfy virtual sofas and invisible hands to wait on sufferers...

mrsb87 Sat 26-Apr-14 20:31:57

<Nabbing a comfy spot>

Copied this from the last thread before I realised we'd moved!

Lucinda I've tried to half my meds but the nausea was unbearable after 2 days. Back to my normal dosage tonight!

Lottiedoubtie Sat 26-Apr-14 20:36:14

Signing in.

Nmcnau13 Sat 26-Apr-14 20:38:48

Hi, this is my first time posting on here. I was diagnosed with HG this week. Came as a bit of a shock, just assumed I was going through 'normal morning sickness'. Have felt nauseous 24/7 since week 5 and throwing up 3-4 times a day. Been really bad this week, bit keeping fluids or food down at all. Dr reluctantly gave me anti sickness meds which touch wood seem to be hoping a little. Can't help feeling I'm overreacting and should be able to cope with this better...anyone else feel like this?

Booboostoo Sat 26-Apr-14 20:44:54

Nmcnau13 I doubt you are over-reacting with what you describe!! If you had a bug and was vomiting 3-4 times a day how long would you leave it before you saw a doctor and expected them to help? 2-3 days, 10 days? I doubt anyone would put up with that for 2-3 weeks, not to mention 9 months! The dehydration and tiredness can be quite draining and potentially need addressing as well. I only have the nausea but it is so tiring, both physically and emotionally. I think because people expect a little bit of morning sickness they assume HG is the same, something relatively mild, that only lasts a couple of weeks, but it is not, it is seriously debilitating.

MrsHende Sat 26-Apr-14 20:48:33

Marking my place, handing out sick bowls...

Oklahoma Sat 26-Apr-14 20:57:55

Shotgun the seat near the bathroom!

Bad day 4 in a row today.

And have to get on a plane later (sob!!).

Welcome NMC it doesn't sound like you're overreacting.

Oklahoma Sat 26-Apr-14 21:00:20

And NMC adding to Boo's points, it Just. Never. Ends!

Nmcnau13 Sat 26-Apr-14 21:37:04

Thanks everyone. I'm 14 + 2 so I've got my fingers crossed for that magical 20 week mark. Why are drs so reluctant to give meds for it? My dr has only given me enough for 5 days and keeps telling me to eat pineapple :s

Oklahoma Sun 27-Apr-14 00:13:43

Pineapple!? But that is really acidic!! How will that help?

livingzuid Sun 27-Apr-14 02:13:25

Pineapple seriously?? Normally someone is waving pack of ginger nuts at me and I want to hurt them. If someone offered me pineapple I'd shove it back to them where it hurt! If I had the energy. After regurgitating it back onto their shoes. I love pineapple but in pg I can't stand it.

Sorry you are suffering. They are reluctant to pescribe I think because for some doctors it is a rear end covering exercise and they basically don't have a clue about hg. The reality is that it is perfectly safe to take these medications in pregnancy. You must not worry about it. I have been on four different types of medications for various ailments including hg and the baby is a whopper.

oklahoma have a good flight smile home soon!

mrsb I have tried several times to stop the tablets. Every time it comes back worse. I accepted the inevitable around week 25ish and have just taken them regularly since.

I'm awake. Woke up gasping for air around 2.30 and terrible pain in my hip. Immediately followed by a wave of intense nausea. Hooray for 24 hour mn!

meerka how was your day? Lots of orange people running around even now grin

Meerka Sun 27-Apr-14 05:22:41

gaaaaaah i posted on the old thread ! stupid preg brain.

Hello nmc Pineapple????! DOH. it's acid and it makes your mouth hurt ... as if you needed that right now. loads of info on drink and food teh sites that Mother Hen posted above, but no one has ever suggested pineapple before!

Jsut remember that HG is a real illness and no, you shouldnt be coping better. You get through it the best way you can and pushing yourself to keep going makes it worse. Good meds and rest are two of the main things that help so please, take it easy and take care of yoruself smile

living im on the night shift too, shoudl have logged in earlier then we could have chatted more smile Yes, the town was orange from what I could see of it, driving back to the hosptial. It's dead quiet on the ward, looks like even the babies are holding off appearing til their mums can finish off partying with their non-alco wine! How was Leiden? smile

Meerka Sun 27-Apr-14 05:25:12

and oh <faintly amused> it seems my hair has turned rather obviously several grades greyer in the last weeks. Havent dyed it since the start of the preg, so it's not that its just wearing off. A kid referred to me as our 6yo's grandma three weeks ago!

livingzuid Sun 27-Apr-14 05:53:13

Yep still awake. I even did my yoga dvd (on easy level) to try and sort out my restless legs, breathe a bit better and killer hip. It helped a little but I couldn't do that much with the nausea. God, does this never end? I don't care how hard people say it is having a newborn, at least you have your body back. This is extreme tiredness + sick + pain + can't eat + just being bored!

The only consolation has been to feel her moving around a lot for most of this awake stint as I was worried she was a bit quiet last night. Obviously saving it for when I was trying to sleep grin

meerka that's Dutch bluntness for you! Am sure the hair is not nearly as bad as all that. Leiden was lovely, really busy. I made the mistake of not eating anything and by the time I found dh I was shaking and almost vomiting. I got told off blush it looked so pretty though the city and they did well on the stall.

How was your time at home?

livingzuid Sun 27-Apr-14 05:54:15

Also think sleeplessness is caused by impending dm visit. How am I supposed to entertain her on Monday and Tuesday on my ownesome?

mrsnec Sun 27-Apr-14 06:48:12

Hi everyone just marking my place on the new thread.

Can't believe there's still no news meerka.

boo I was reading about the issue with your doc but didn't get round to saying anything yet and all the news about your pets too bet you can't wait to get to Greece now.

Hello to nmc and mrshende.

Oaklahoma, sorry to hear you've had a bad time hope the flight was ok.

Living I agree with you and everyone else about pineapple.and all the other stuff I've had shoved in my face. I ended up being very blunt with mil after she baked me a ginger cake. I ate some to be polite but it didn't stay down long! I want to still be able to eat fruit though as I thought it would help with hydration as if I drink too much it makes my nausea worse. At the moment I'm finding pears and plums are the only fruits I can stomach, even strawberries apples and melon made me sick. Sorry about the sleeplessness too. I suppose I have that to come my dm is coming over next month for 3 weeks! Glad you're feeling lots of movement too.

Hi to Mrsb Lottie and Lucinda and sorry if I've missed anything.both threads morning very fast this weekend!

LucindaE Sun 27-Apr-14 09:07:09

(Flaps and clucks.0
Meerka So nice of you to feel for others in your present horrible situation.
nmc Welcome, poor you, everyone on here is very supportive and has been there. Do invest in some kesostix from a chemists -as Meerka says dehydration tends to be the main problem so difficult to keep enough liquids down, so that unfortunately, it may get the point where you need a bit of IV in hospital if the famous sticks show it's at a serious level.
mrsb87 Don't feel bad about having to keep on with the meds - the baby will be fine despite them and you need them.
Running out of space here's the link to the new thread.
Welcome to the new thread, everyone, back soon. I so feel for anyone suffering at night particularly.

Kels13 Sun 27-Apr-14 09:30:16

Marking my place. 16 weeks in and still being sick several times a day. If anyone else suggests crackers and ginger biscuits I'll lose it!

LucindaE Sun 27-Apr-14 09:45:07

Meerka Whose hair wouldn't turn greyer with what you've been through; Soon you will be able to treat yourself to a brand new hair colour.
livinzuid That sleeplessness is awful.
Waves to Lottie Okla mrsnec and everyone.

Lottiedoubtie Sun 27-Apr-14 09:57:50

Morning, started the day with a nightmare about a hospital and then a morning bile run. Now feeling sick, sore and miserable.

Back to work tomorrow hmm

mrsb87 Sun 27-Apr-14 10:08:27

Morning everyone. Currently I'm sat in the office at work sobbing. The nausea is awful today and I just don't know how I'm going to cope.

Lottiedoubtie Sun 27-Apr-14 10:20:38

mrs can you go home? Crying in the office is never good, I really feel for you.

mrsb87 Sun 27-Apr-14 10:42:37

I think I may go home, I will have to stay til after the other guy has had his lunch break. I'm sure the tears are partly hormonal but I'm in a bit of a mess.

Lottiedoubtie Sun 27-Apr-14 10:50:16

Don't beat yourself up over whatever is causing it. You are pregnant and I'll, that's enough.

mrsb87 Sun 27-Apr-14 11:53:03

I think I may go home, I will have to stay til after the other guy has had his lunch break. I'm sure the tears are partly hormonal but I'm in a bit of a mess.

livingzuid Sun 27-Apr-14 12:07:18

mrsb get ye home to bed and some crap Sunday tv. You aren't well and need to rest. Don't go tomorrow if you are still sick, take some time to get back on your feet again.

lottie sad Tuesday will come quickly at least then you will know. It's the waiting I found to be the hardest thing. Do you think work will help distract you or would you rather stay at home?

I wept and wailed this morning as well for about an hour. Nothing DH could say or do was good enough. I have only had 4 hours sleep which I blame as the main contributing factor! My mum is going again on Wednesday so it's hardly to boo's level but it shouldn't be stressing me out this much. DH has promised me a massage today also on my hands. I feel arthritic in my fingers.

Tired btw makes my hg much worse. Awesome huh?

livingzuid Sun 27-Apr-14 12:08:35

I was thinking a bit more about the tiredness thing and, if you look at Kate and then the size of George, it's not surprising is it that we get so sick? He's a whopper! All of that effort and energy our bodies are putting into growing the baby. No wonder it floors some of us.

Lottiedoubtie Sun 27-Apr-14 12:54:59

DH and I keep crying, it's just awful. I've only ever seen him cry about twice before and it's always been a really serious situation. (I'm a crier, and most things result in tears for me!)

Going to work will I hope make the time pass faster, this weekend is like purgatory, I can't seem to make myself actually do anything and time is crawling by. I'm worried about crying at work though, we work together and we've had to tell our Head why we're both going to be off and will have to tell our (different) line managers tomorrow. We don't really want the whole staff to know but it's going to be hard to hide I think.

Meerka Sun 27-Apr-14 13:19:50

<shares her boxes of tissues around> what a week for everyone ... mrsb I do hope you've been able to go home!

living, yes, if only we could sleep

lottie ... just flowers for you and your husband. It must be so hard for them seeing us go through this :s I hope yoru line managers are supportive.

livingzuid Sun 27-Apr-14 13:36:30

It is so horrible to see our men cry isn't it. I'm so sorry you are both having to go through this. And not even able to have comfort cake or wine

I'm sure your managers will be sensitive to what you are going through.

mrsb87 Sun 27-Apr-14 16:13:24

Yes I'm home now. Managed to get off a few hrs early.

Lottie I'm so sorry, I do hope there is good news for you along the line xx

LucindaE Sun 27-Apr-14 17:19:59

Oh dear, Everyone! Bad times all round. Gentle pats on offer.

starrynight123 Sun 27-Apr-14 19:49:49

Sending hugs and boxes of tissues all round to everyone this Sunday. What would we do without this thread? Cue more sobbing - and definitely from me.

Dh was staying with me at my mother's for a few days and he has just gone back home... sobbing away because I miss him so much and I'm going to be seeing him on Sunday. Never used to be so clingy, but times they have a'changed.

Hope everyone is okay as can be given the joys of this awful sickness.

starrynight123 Sun 27-Apr-14 19:51:23

Forgot to ask - I had a quick question about metoclopramide: I've been taking it since February and it's now almost May and I'm 25wks. My GP has prescribed another month's tablets for me. I'm worried that it isn't okay to take for such a long time and so far into my pregnancy... or am I worrying for no reason??

Meerka Sun 27-Apr-14 20:46:31

hm. seem to be mixed reports. It seems safe enough in the baby and it's been used for years with no bad effects for the baby, but it does seem to have an increasing risk of side effects of restless movement in you after 12 weeks. The chances are still small, but if you were unlucky then the results could be permanent :/

It could be worth asking for something else; promethazine or prochlorperazine maybe? ( I am not a doctor!!! but these are commonly used, check out the Preg Sickness Support site that lucinda links above). It might be worth ringing them too and they will ring you back; they have a lovely experienced (retired) doctor who will know a lot more. He's excellent.

sorry, not entirely reassuring.

Meerka Sun 27-Apr-14 20:48:16

metoclopramide. It's Federal Drug Category B for use in preg, which is pretty reassuring from the pov of the baby.

petitlapin1 Sun 27-Apr-14 23:03:42

Checking in. Few good days to report, cooked roast dinner today, and ate it!
Find I'm really missing sweet things at the minute, they either set me off with hg or heartburn.

Completely agree with you living about tiredness aggravating hg. I thought I was using sleep as behavioural coping (I don't vomit when I sleep etc) at the start but soon realised my days without napping/lie ins/early nights were much worse.

meerka is it tomorrow they try again to get baby out? If so, good luck!

Lottie fingers crossed for tuesday for you.

starry just my experience but I'm now 36 weeks and in week 20 of metoclopramide. No side effects here yet...

mrsnec Mon 28-Apr-14 06:59:07

Hi all,

Mrsb hope you got home and got some rest in the end.

Meerka and Lottie, thinking of you both.

Definitely needed those pats and tissues here yesterday. I felt rotten and missed a party my friend was having for her daughter's birthday. Dh didn't want to go without me and I felt bad for spoiling his fun.

Petit, well done there is no way I would have been able to do that yesterday!

mrsb87 Mon 28-Apr-14 08:21:21

Yes had a rest and watched a film last night with dh. I decided to take today off too so I can have a proper rest.

Wow petit that's a great accomplishment! I've cooked a couple of things like risotto and homemade tomato sauce and pasta. Nothing too complicated!

LucindaE Mon 28-Apr-14 08:53:19

Petitlapin Well done, cooking a roast - and so good about good days.
mrsb87 That was nice and relaxing and you need some time off for sure. thirty-six weeks, you must be so relived you are slowly moving forward.
mrsnec sad about party - women on this thread get so upset with this about feeling they are letting others down, having to 'neglect' (temporarily) children, at work, socially etc and blame themselves, though they'd never blame anyone else in the same situation.
Meerka Great advice, as ever, and thinking of you.
Starry So agree with above advice about the results of research.
Apologies to anyone rudely ignored/cross posted with.

Oklahoma Mon 28-Apr-14 09:05:38

Moan alert
Jet lag + HG = disaster
Have been sick all night and just want to curl up and die right now. How did I possibly think that I could cope with this!?

Mrsnec lots of sympathy for yesterday. It really sucks missing out on things and I totally get the guilt. I feel like I have ruined the last 2 months of DH's life as I never want to do anything so he keeps missing out.

Can I pop in to say hello?
I don't think I have HG but I have been sick quite a lot in this pregnancy and exhausted with nausea.
This morning I got up early to go to a training course but had very violent vomiting with bile. (FOUL stuff). I am completely worn out now & in bed.

Am I resting though? noooooo. I am totally beating myself up about missing the training, being a wuss, thinking it's all in my head (??). It is actually very comforting to read this thread and see others feel the same.

I am 16 + 4 by the way, first pregnancy and I am thrilled to be pregnant. We did IVF and I am so happy it worked. Just struggling with all this guilt now.

mrsnec Mon 28-Apr-14 10:01:15

Tak1 hello and sorry to hear you're struggling too. Congrats on the pg too. I am at a similar stage to you. I haven't been diagnosed with hg either but I have been feeling like you in terms of the sickness and the guilt! I've found everyone on this thread a great support despite the fact that I'm not suffering half as badly as some of them.

I feel better after lots of rest too so that's probably the best thing for you at the moment. I've given myself a day off today too.

Oaklahoma sorry to hear you had a bad day yesterday too. It's comforting to know everyone feels the guilt thing too.

Meerka Mon 28-Apr-14 10:01:22

hello taking, big congrats on your pregnancy! such a shame that you've become so sick sad

Please do not feelt guilty. you and the baby are more important than any training course!

It is not all in your head. It's the HcG hormone that makes you sick, the precise mechanism isn;t quite understood but it's definitely the HcG hormone that's the main culprit. Serious MD is a real illness, not imaginary, and people who say that it's all stress are simply not up to date.

So please, do take it easy, you are ill, and feeling guilty just won't help. The two or three main things are to keep yoru liquid intake up (that's more important than eating actually) and consider askign for meds, if you are having to take time off you're not in a very good way and early meds help avoid the worse of the sickness. Lastly, take it easy - seriously! tiredness / stress does make it worse.

Do hope you feel a bit better soon

okla .. so sorry to hear you're that bad again. Take it easy too!! <brings ice chips and closes the curtains>

Thank you ladies thanks

Nearly cried at your nice words as I phoned home and my mum basically told me to pull myself together and work must be getting cheesed off with me by now.

I cant pull myself together! If I could, I would.

Oklahoma Mon 28-Apr-14 10:25:02

Tak if only it was that easy! I've been off work for 6 weeks now and am still feeling guilty about it. It's not in your head, you're ill. I know it's hard but please try not to beat yourself up about it.

Meerka Mon 28-Apr-14 10:25:44

People who havent been through it don't understand ... those who have, remember with a shudder, at the very least. (horror, in some cases!) Most peopel find hte nausea worse than the actual vomitting, it's so unrelenting.

Lucinda put links to some sites up in the first post, there's some hint on them as to things to eat and drink that can help some women. Maybe you can find something that works for you there, everyone's different, some people can't stand melon and it's the only thing others can eat for example.

Do consider seeing your doctor. the lighter meds are pretty light, such as cyclizine + B6, absolutely safe and they do help some people. The governmental guidelines are that you shoudl be given enough support to be able to lead your life pretty well normally, which doesnt sound like the case atm.

mrsb87 Mon 28-Apr-14 10:48:32

lucinda if only I was 36wks! I'm 18wks today. Having a lazy bed day. I get the guilt terrible. I feel like if I'm not at work I should be filling my day with other household tasks and keeping busy. But obviously this completely misses the point of having a rest day! Stupid brain!!.

Hi tak1ing! I'm on the October thread with you. The morning bile runs are the worst! Every morning without fail for me still.

Hi mrsb!! <waves at October birthing buddy> smile

Oklahoma Mon 28-Apr-14 11:10:53

Ooh I'm October, I didn't realise there was a thread for it. What's it called?

mrsnec Mon 28-Apr-14 11:21:16

October 1st for me apparently. I'm not on October thread either.

I started to see the early morning bile runs as a good sign. I noticed a pattern that I don't puke mid morning if I've had a bile run before breakfast. Broke that rule yesterday when I had both.

Here's the link!
Clicky link

starrynight123 Mon 28-Apr-14 11:28:21

meerka thank you very, very much for the information. I was worrying and too scared to over-Google in case I found a bunch of information that might stop me taking a medication that is actually helping me a bit.

I will give the PSS a call and see what they say. My GP is on leave until towards end of May, so it would be good to have some information to take with me when I see/speak to her. She hasn't had much experience with hg, so it feels as though we are learning and moving forward together!

Meerka Mon 28-Apr-14 11:32:40

sigh, my body is still far from ready.

no mention of a C-section; plan is still to take it day by day. The nausea is still getting worse, though not upchucking that often. At least I got some sleep last night, the pethedine injections are so wonderful when they will allow me to have one.

God grant me patience and pleeeeeease hurry up!

Oklahoma Mon 28-Apr-14 11:36:14

Oh Meerka you poor thing

Hugs and sympathy

mrsb87 Mon 28-Apr-14 11:40:05

Oh meerka I'm so sorry, I can't Imagine how miserable this is for you. You've made it too comfy for your little parasite to leave!! Sending you lots of sympathy, hopefully it will be over sooner rather than later xxx

LucindaE Mon 28-Apr-14 12:52:48

Just dashing on to welcome tak1ingchances. So sorry you're suffering.
How are the liquids staying down? Can you bear flat coke, I found that a life saver? Don't bother about healthy stuff, just anything you can eat or drink that you can bear. I don't think I can improve on others' advice.
Meerka Oh dear, I do feel for you. You are being brilliant encouraging others at this time.
Okla Poor you about relapse.

PunkStar Mon 28-Apr-14 13:40:30

Can't believe you are still waiting....you may have been better off if they hadn't promised a 38 week induction in the first place :-(
You get all psychologically prepared for when it's going to end and when it doesn't I think it makes it so much harder. It's like our magic due dates, very few babes are born on them...I can't cope with the thought of 42 weeks....hope things get a move on soon.

Tak1ng sorry you are feeling so rotten.
I had HG in my first pregnancy and convincedy myself this time that if I was just a bit tougher and 'pulled myself together' I wouldn't get HG again! It's horrible how mean we are to ourselves. You really cannot 'get on with it' in fact it makes it worse. Rest is the best thing you can do. I am as guilty as anyone though of having unrealistic expectations of what I can currently achieve (I can only manage to work one day a week; I'm 34 weeks!)
Please look after yourself :-)

Get my CS date next week, feels like a major milestone will be achieved

Meerka Mon 28-Apr-14 14:00:38

I am a bit better mentally now, sadly the serious lack of sleep and the second disappointment over the induction plus the nausea seem to have been just too much last week. I wasnt really surprised when they said that I wasnt ready today so ye, handling it a bit better. .

Honestly, think that I am going to be preg forever. Don't think that the baby will ever come. I'll be a giant walrus for the rest of my life ... <claps her flippers>

starrynight123 Mon 28-Apr-14 17:07:06

meerka can you request a caesarean given that the inductions aren't working and you are feeling so rough? You might not want a caesarean - fair enough!! - but could it help you have the baby faster and stop the sickness?

I really, really feel for you and am sending out as much strength as I can. The fact that you took the time to help with information about my medication at such a stressful and difficult time is just phenomenal and I'm so grateful.

Much strength to you.

LucindaE Mon 28-Apr-14 18:05:07

Starry I so agree!
mrsb87& Silly me about the way I messed up that piece of typing- the thrity-six weeks bit was meant for 'petitelapin the 'you need some time off' for you!

Lottiedoubtie Mon 28-Apr-14 19:07:49

Hi everyone hope you're all bearing up.

I managed a full day at work! <no kids yet makes it easier!>

Only cried twice blush once when the head and deputy cornered me to express concern after the staff meeting <definitely scared the head he's a very straight laced doesn't do emotion sort of man> and once when talking to the Chaplain to ask him to pray (or retrospective fire bombing as DH put it... hmm )

Other than that I was quite proffesional managed to attend boring meetings, trainings and even standardise some coursework!

Feeling ok nausea 3/10 but exhausted so have just climbed into bed!

I think you are all amazing. Congrats to the people who have had a puke-free day!

PunkStar Mon 28-Apr-14 19:25:58

Know the feeling...time feels like it's moving backwards and I'll be in this preggo state forever.
Will join you with flipper clapping ;-)
Come on baby Meerka, get ready!

Meerka Mon 28-Apr-14 19:27:02

I have requested a c-section .... god, being penned up here 2 more weeks would be quite hard work. But they absolutely hate doing them so its probably not that likely.

Congrts o the work day * I can jsut imagine the horrified look on your buttoned up manager's face. Used to work for one like that, he was soooo victorian. Here's hoping the retrospective fire bombing works =)

<waves to everyone>

Oklahoma Mon 28-Apr-14 20:14:53

Lottie congratulations!! I can't believe you're back at work. Is this full time again?

I'm starting at 3 afternoons a week from this week so will see how it goes.

Booboostoo Mon 28-Apr-14 20:42:22

tak1ng welcome! Tiredness makes my nausea a lot worse as well, so try to rest as much as possible.

Meerka fingers crossed for a CS for you. I had an ELCS with DD and it was a very pleasant experience.

starrynight123 Mon 28-Apr-14 21:36:50

booboo how do you mean 'pleasant' re: ELCS? I ask because I'm going to be requesting one of those from my consultant and am really nervous about having one. To hear that it is pleasant has sort of boosted my confidence about it!!

Lottiedoubtie Tue 29-Apr-14 01:22:35

No, not full time thankfully. I'm going to go in for part of each day, just teaching two year groups (instead of the usual 5).

Hospital in the morning. I was exhausted after work so I've already had four hours sleep. Wide awake again now...

livingzuid Tue 29-Apr-14 04:00:48

lottie thinking of you today. Hope all goes well thanks

tak sorry you are feeling so rough. angry about your mum's comments why are they so insensitive? Mine is a nightmare as well. Do go to your gp and ask for medication. Don't suffer, there is help available smile

My mum is here at the moment. I'm exhausted. Yesterday I managed a boat ride (funnily enough they make me feel better not worse) and walking around a bit. Just complete lack of understanding that right now there is only so much I can eat. Even dh very forcefully said 'she can't eat very much right now' at dinner on Sunday. It was like talking to a brick wall. I got a lecture yesterday and I said I can't cook I can't stand the smells for too long.

Do they think we choose to be like this?!

I got my revenge last night though when she discovered my tattoos that I had done years ago which she didn't seem to know about and nearly had a meltdown grin Speeches about what I can and can't do with my body, be it hg or inking I am impervious to.

Only today and tomorrow morning to get through before she leaves and I can finally put my feet up and start maternity leave properly. I go at midday today as I am at hospital getting some tests done in the morning. Th end I have some other touristy things planned which involve sitting and doing not much and fortunately dh has swung it so he also has the day off and can drive us around.

As an aside, how have others found driving? I can do it in short bursts and prefer to be driver rather than passenger but anything longer than 20 mins or so becomes a real struggle to feel not sick.

We went last night to an information evening at the hospital for the birth and it was good, particularly for dh, but the room was so hot and stifling I thought I was going to be sick and pass out. Had to keep going to sit outside.

Apparently no gas and air available because of the way they administer it can't be turned off so it would affect everyone in the room and not good to have giggling staff!

For those asking long suffering meerka about th c-section they aren't elective here, only done in emergencies. I would have hoped she could class as that but nope. What I was surprised about was you could choose to go general or local. I thought they'd only do local unless there was something dire that needed a general?

meerka they talked about pethidine last night, it's my preferred pain relief but by God they are reluctant to give anything at all. Epidural is the preferred one over pethidine and the clicky iv one but I have already refused an epidural unless it's a medical emergency ie cesarean. I've gone for the other two first if I need it.

Netherlands has 30% usage of epidurals in pregnancy, the lowest in Europe. To give you an idea. Next door Germany apparently is 90% which I thought sounded astonishingly high so need to check what I heard with dh!

There was also some crap presentation from a lady about breastfeeding who started by saying 'well we won't be judgemental but your baby will be so much more intelligent / happy / healthy / balanced if you breastfeed' which dh didn't translate for me till afterwards but I got the gist from her useless slides which had twenty on the marvels of breastfeeding and one on bottle feeding. So insensitive to those of us that don't have an option! Mood I'm in right now I might make a complaint!

Aside from that, insomnia and nausea here even though I'm knackered. I enjoyed some calamari yesterday which surprised me!

meerka sigh. No words, just sympathy and commiserations over the rubbish attitudes to c section here.

oklahoma noooo to jet lag how awful. It's the tired that does it. Terrible for hg.

Jealous that punk will know when it is all over soon! Although I'm definitely getting Braxton Hicks now so hopefully that's a good sign. 36 weeks on Friday so any day after that this baby wants to appear is fine by me!

Sorry if I missed anyone.

Booboostoo Tue 29-Apr-14 07:14:36

starry I think when everything goes as planned a birth is a very positive experience, when you encounter any difficulties or situations that feel out of control it can be a bit scary. For me my ELCS was calm, pain-free, my DP was in the room, DD arrived very quickly and was fine, I got skin to skin cuddles for the rest of the operation, recovery was straight forward and I actually felt much better after the ELCS than during the HG pregnancy!

Meerka Tue 29-Apr-14 07:49:02

Apparently no gas and air available because of the way they administer it can't be turned off so it would affect everyone in the room and not good to have giggling staff! This reduced me to internal hysterical giggles, I had such an impression of one or two of the more po-faced medical staff getting gas-and-air drunk :D

well done for surviving your mother so far, it sounds quite a stress :s as if anyone would choose to have HG!! I hope today is good.

starry I only just saw your post about the googling .. sorry. You're very welcome. All the reports seem to be consistent - meto is good but there is this admittedly small risk to the mother. Small, but if it happened, most unpleasant. Good luck with PSS and yoru doctor smile so nice that she is open minded!

okla best of luck with work, do say how it goes? please don't expec ttoo much of yoruself, 3 afternoons sounds a lot .. .

living I would complain about that breastfeeding presentation as well. The NL are STUPIDLY obsessed with natural. They don't exactly have the best record of neo-natal health in europe either, so I dont know why they won't open their minds a bit more. And fgs, not everyone can breastfeed. It's shit to make people feel bad for it :s

Was the birthing room nice though?

boo your ELCS sounds WONDEFUL!! <moves back to the uk pronto>

Oklahoma Tue 29-Apr-14 09:20:08

Living totally agree on the car. Transport of any description makes me feel awful!

LucindaE Tue 29-Apr-14 09:38:04

Lottie Thinking of you and Okla I think you and all the others actually facing work deserve medals. mrsb87 Did you have a good rest?
Boo That sounds like a lovely birth experience., not quite like my hellish induction.
Meerka Oh dear, I had to laugh at such a ridiculous image, too. I am just urging this laid back baby to decide to make his long delayed entrance naturally and very soon.
livingzuid I've done it again - scrawled a message for you and can't read my awful handwriting.
Tak1Starry Mrsnec and Everyone how are things going?

LucindaE Tue 29-Apr-14 09:46:17

Livinzuid That's it, I wanted to offer sympathy and hugs over mother being so insensitive about eating- also, she may not like tatoos, but you're an adult. Mothers can be impossible, but it's hard to deal with when you feel ill. Mine is always commenting in a disapproving way on my big breasts hmm.

mrsb87 Tue 29-Apr-14 10:17:41

Haha lucinda like you can change those eh?! Yes I had a lively rest yesterday, plan on doing a few bits in the house today. My mum has emptied the family home of all my remaining stuff so it all needs going through. I found a pair of knee high doc martens who have I hardly wore so I should get a few quid for those!

zuid I had a few disapproving comments from my MIL and mum. The worst from MIL asking if I was sure I wasn't just hungry! Are you kidding me?!

Oklahoma Tue 29-Apr-14 10:58:18

We just have to keep reminding ourselves that they haven't been through it so they don't understand. I just smile sweetly (through gritted teeth) and picture hot tea accidentally spilling all over them.

Mine brought round some gingerbread on Sunday. Despite repeated conversations about how useless it is.

I've barely managed to keep anything down since Saturday. How the hell is gingerbread going to help!?

Meerka Tue 29-Apr-14 11:12:35

no no, okla, just aim the bile run in their directoin .... they'll get the message in the end.

lotte, thinking of you and wishing you and the baby all the best. I hope the journey to and from the hosptial isnt too stressful, too.

They are going to examine me on friday. C-Sectoin not an option sigh. I am feeling better physically with doing less and sleeping more, not that I was doing very much now, even the small everyday stuff round the house was apparently draining me. also, i can go home in the daytimes (if i can get a lift that is) for a few hours.

They are also giving me the option to ask for the pethedine sleeping injection when I need it, with the understanding that I won't ask for it eveyr night due to the potential dangers. That really helps because I know now that I can get a good night's sleep if things have been going badly.

kalidasa Tue 29-Apr-14 12:59:59

Just caught up with the thread. starry I think the meto is fine if you are having no side effects. I was on it for months and eventually came off it because of the intense twitchiness/restlessness, which became increasingly worse - I was unable to stop moving. I am a bit cross that no-one asked me about this, as when I spoke to the GP this time about pre-emptive meds I mentioned that I'd rather not have meto again as I disliked the neurological effects and she was a bit horrified and said I absolutely MUST NOT ever take it again as a second time the neurological symptoms might be permanent. She put a big thing in my notes about it.

So basically I think it is absolutely fine as long as you feel fine on it, but if you do notice increased twitchiness/restlessness you should mention it and probably come off it. Safety record for the baby seems v. good though.

I'll add that I was on lots and lots of drugs and actually I don't think the meto was doing that much for me anyway (apart from making me twitch, obviously!) so I am not bothered about not being able to use it a second time.

kalidasa Tue 29-Apr-14 13:02:00

Forgot to say - I was definitely on the meto at max dose for more than 12 weeks, I think it had been more like 16 when I decided to ditch it.

PunkStar Tue 29-Apr-14 14:22:31

I had ELSCS last time too, he was breech.
I found it a pleasant experience too. Luckily I was first on the list. Having the spinal was a bit weird (I didn't enjoy not being able to move my legs!!) but they let us play our own music, skin to skin afterwards, OH cut the cord. I have a cracking photo of The Little Boy being lifted out and up by the obstetrician. Recovery was very quick too, walked to the pub on day four :-)

Meerka still hoping things move soon for you.... Damn those anti-CS medics!!

Aw Living that is pretty upsetting re the breastfeeding :-(
I wish people would just be nicer and a bit more considerate. Hehe I got a so called temporary tattoo years and years ago. Showed it to my Ma and she loved it....so much so that I took her to get one. Unfortunately temporary actually meant permanent so I got my mother a tattoo for life! She was a good sport about it though :-)

Lottie well done on getting back to work. I'm stuck on one day a week, takes me days to recover and if I go back to soon I just vomit a lot and feel pretty ill :-(
Hope all goes well at hospital x

Lottiedoubtie Tue 29-Apr-14 14:46:24

grin the consultant says all is ok! There are a couple of unusual things but they aren't unique to me and the baby is still healthy and doing well. So so relieved, can't believe how good I feel now with the horrendous worry gone! Thanks so much for all the support! (Big hugs)

mrsb87 Tue 29-Apr-14 14:51:52

Great news lottie!!!! I'm so pleased for you xx

mrsnec Tue 29-Apr-14 14:53:43

Hi all,
Punk, that's great your experience of an elcs. Very positive indeed the ones I've heard of had much longer recovery time.

Meerka, just to say I'm glad you're getting some rest. I wonder what the stats are like here. It's interesting the European approach isn't it. I tried to get an explanation for it and I keep getting told it's a belief that nature's way is best and natural instinct always takes over, well yes to an extent but sometimes mother nature needs a helping hand. I couldn't believe that blog I read of the local hospital just offering panadol after a birth with forceps and an episiotomy! I think the approach here will be similar regarding c sections.

Agree with the others living and I like that idea Oaklahoma.

kali, that's good advice about the meds.

Lottie, thinking of you.

I managed a puke free day yesterday so worked with dh today and am now knackered so going to have a siesta before I decide if I can stomach any dinner.

starrynight123 Tue 29-Apr-14 15:00:15

meerka, kalidasa thanks for the info - the permanent twitchiness/restlessness would be awful! I've been on it about 13wks now without any side effects (famous last words...) but I'm still nauseous and still being sick at 25wks, but less often than even a few weeks ago.

lou, punk - it is so good to hear positive stories about ELCS. With my increasingly worse panic attacks, there is just no way I want to go with a natural birth.

living honestly, how judgemental! No wonder having your mother visit is so stressful. I wish some people could see how their words and actions affected the people they love.

I'm totally taken aback by the difference between the UK and Netherlands re: painrelief and cs for childbirth. I honestly assumed it would be quite similar. Right now, I'm very glad I'm in the UK.

starrynight123 Tue 29-Apr-14 15:02:09

Today really, really tired. Have slept most of the morning and now that I've been awake a few hours, I feel so tired and increasingly sick too :-( I think I might hunker down in bed again with a book and doze off. Haven't been this tired before and I was completely relaxing at home all day yesterday too.

Does/did anyone else have days of complete exhaustion c.25wks?

Oklahoma Tue 29-Apr-14 15:02:31

Lottie that is amazing news, so pleased that everything is ok!!

mrsnec Tue 29-Apr-14 15:05:40

Cross post there great news Lottie!

kalidasa Tue 29-Apr-14 15:17:17

Brilliant Lottie, what a relief!

LucindaE Tue 29-Apr-14 16:19:36

Lottie I'm so delighted for you! What a wonderful relief.
Kalidisa I'm a bit horrified too- I think that someone might have warned you to tell them if you had those symptoms! Thank goodness they weren't permanent!
Waves to all. Back soon.

Meerka Tue 29-Apr-14 16:38:11

lottie am so pleased. what a weight off your mind for you both. <non-alcoholic wine >

kali I'm amazed no one warned you aobut the meto - thank heavens you stopped it! I got twitchy on it and itchy but assumed it was minor - no way will i take it again, no matter how sick I'm feeling.

punk i hope you're doing okay today

mrsnec all this 'natural instinct takes over" ... Im not convinced any more. It does for some people but not everyone. If it was that bloody powerful, we'd never need medical intervention or training at all. And quite a few people with HG only ever have one baby when they'd really prefer more. If people are left being so 'natural' that they end up having to avoid having more children, something is wrong.

starry ... yes to the exhaustion. Hope you feel better tomorrow

flowers for mother hen cause you're amazing

Meerka Tue 29-Apr-14 16:55:16

its weird. when im sitting on the hospital bed, I don't feel sick until I move and only upchuck rarely. I'm sure I seem fine and a bit of a fraud. At home, i feel ok in bed but the moemnt i get up, even just to the loo, I feel sick again. Why is it that I'm ok in bed, but any movement and it's back to grim nausea?

starrynight123 Tue 29-Apr-14 17:07:20

meerka exactly the same with me. It almost feels like motion sickness. When I'm lying/sitting in bed, I feel vaguely 'normal' and as if I could get up and get on with life as I used to. But, as soon as I start moving, that's it, I feel like hell again and retreat to my bed. I've no idea why this is either... but you are definitely not alone in feeling like that. Actually, I'm lying in bed right now!

Oklahoma Tue 29-Apr-14 17:23:57

Meerka & Starry same here. Not moving is ok ish but anything else is terrible!

LucindaE Tue 29-Apr-14 17:35:46

Meerka thanks thanks It's so sweet of you to say that - and I think we all feel the same about you!

Oklahoma Tue 29-Apr-14 18:12:56

Agreed!! This thread and the support on it is all that gets me through some days! Thank you x

starrynight123 Tue 29-Apr-14 18:50:33

Ditto to all that! Oklahoma I feel just the same way about this thread too - knowing that there are people who understand and experience this awful illness and the isolation and everything else that goes with it.

Does anyone know if any studies have been done into hg? I've been doing some googling on it and can't find very much at all which seems pretty surprising to me. The only thing I could find was on the PSS pages which mentioned the 5 types of HcG and that one of those could be causing hg. I sort of wish the Duchess of Cambridge would get involved in some way to give the condition a higher profile and maybe, just maybe persuade someone to do some serious research into it so women in the future might get some proper relief from it.

Meerka Tue 29-Apr-14 18:58:21

theres actually quite a lot of studies have been done. What area of info are you looking for? At various times I've found various reports, can probably dig em up again though some are serious med-speak that I dont understand and others you have to pay to access

the HER forums, US based, have a research section. here There's also studies into the meds commonly used, though not always that many.

starrynight123 Tue 29-Apr-14 19:15:11

meerka you are my fount of knowledge!! Thank you for that link - I hadn't come across it and I'm looking forward to reading through the different threads.

Naively, I was hoping that there had been a ground-breaking study that somehow explained everything and which would lead to a cure for all of us... as I said, naïve. I know there can't be a one size fits all cure for hg, but my god it would be nice. On the face of it, it sounds so simple to make a drug that will stop us being and feeling sick, without any side effects for us or our babies, but of course it isn't.

starrynight123 Tue 29-Apr-14 19:31:18

omg - the helpher.org website is incredible!! I feel like a complete idiot for not coming across it sooner - reading it avidly!! Thanks so much meerka!!!

Meerka Tue 29-Apr-14 19:38:36

its really good isnt it? and there is a certain lucindaE there too =) Keep thinking that I shoudl register there but tbh I feel at home here and not like taking on anything new atm.

Lottiedoubtie Tue 29-Apr-14 19:42:36

I agree that this thread is a proper lifeline.

HG is miserable but knowing that there are people who get it and can cope with the whinging and late night rambling is just amazing!

starrynight123 Tue 29-Apr-14 20:05:01

So many of these ring true for me and most likely most others here too - www.helpher.org/mothers/survival-guide-downloads/causes-negative-emotions.php

I know it sounds like a petty thing, but I regret not being able to have a baby shower. I organised two for friends and we all really enjoyed it. I was looking forward to the fun parts of pregnancy and this was one of the highlights. I appreciate that it is such a minor part in the scheme of things, but when you are so isolated and lonely, things like that take on greater significance and makes me feel ever worse.

Oklahoma Tue 29-Apr-14 20:23:16

Starry it's like that list was written just for me! Will have a proper look at the site.

My mum was really upset earlier as she feels totally useless and can't see any end in sight. I didn't really know what to say.

Meerka Tue 29-Apr-14 20:38:54

gosh, i hadnt seen that page .. so much of it rings true. some of it quite scary :s

elizabethsmum Tue 29-Apr-14 21:00:04

Waves to everyone

wow have only been away from the thread for a week and so much has happened!!
can't believe you're still waiting meerka, not long now surely?! Is it your EDD tomorrow??
lottie wonderful news, so relieved for you that all is well. We had high downs risk and double amnio with the twins, know what it is like to live with the uncertainty.
Sorry to everyone suffering at the moment and welcome to all those new to the thread.

ChaffinchOfDoom Tue 29-Apr-14 21:08:22

thinking about the European way women labour... in France isn't the accepted length of pregnancy 42 weeks? again that seems to suggest the same thought process ie leave nature to it.
thoughts with you all X

starrynight123 Tue 29-Apr-14 21:22:44

Oklahoma I am reading through the part of the site 'for mothers' and finding it so helpful; at least partly because it also feels as though it were written for me - so I totally know what you mean!

It's tough and sometimes hard to cope with when our loved ones react like that... especially when we find ourselves having to support them when we are feeling so awful... but I suppose it is better than the opposite...? :-/

kalidasa Tue 29-Apr-14 21:24:47

It's very medicalised in France actually (at least in Paris). My DH is French and everyone we spoke to there was totally horrified that I would not have an automatic epidural. Their view was that not being given an epidural and instead being expected to labour naturally is degrading and tantamount to misogyny! Quite a different perspective. Much much lower rates of breastfeeding too. DH has a theory that it is essentially the Catholic/southern European countries that go in for lots of intervention/medicalisation and see that as the proper thing to do and basically the Protestant/northern countries that have a big thing about doing it naturally. Not sure if that works for all of them. If it's true you'd expect the UK to be somewhere in the middle but a bit more towards the 'doing it naturally' side which is probably a fairly accurate summary of NHS policy.

Personally I suspect it has more to do with how healthcare is funded than with national ethos, though I suppose those two things might themselves be linked.

livingzuid Tue 29-Apr-14 21:33:00

lottie that's wonderful news!! Thrilled for you smile

Long day. Had a go at mum in restaurant for banging on about eating fruit and veg and healthy eating in pregnancy and in general. Long boring story but dh was proud of me. Just aargh.

Waves to everyone, will post properly tomorrow. And meerka ffs! Why not!

starrynight123 Tue 29-Apr-14 21:37:45

One thing I was surprised about is that, apparently, in France it is normal to get help with getting your nether regions back in good order after childbirth, e.g., being taught how to do pelvic floor exercises properly and things like that. Admittedly, I read that in a magazine article, so don't know how accurate it is, or how widespread.

I'm disappointed at how slow institutions are in providing medical care that is specifically tailored to an individual. I know a lot of it has to do with funding, lack of staffing, general ethos in a particular institution or hospital or country... etc. etc. I know a couple of people who have been able to afford private health care for their pregnancy and birth and the whole experience, for them, has been really positive and completely focused on them and what worked best for them. This isn't something that I can afford (wish I could!), but I like how happy they were with their entire, personalised experience.

starrynight123 Tue 29-Apr-14 21:38:46

living well done for standing up for yourself!! Also, a massive congratulations for going to a restaurant - that's amazing!!

livingzuid Tue 29-Apr-14 21:51:10

Oh and mrsnec I had to chuckle at the panadol comment. I had to stop myself from laughing out loud in the presentation when they showed the pain relief options post c section was paracetamol. The Netherlands is famed for sending people away with two paracetamol and not a lot else for almost all ailments.

In all fairness that was two days after the op where you start on morphine as a pain killer and they take you off, but to even suggest just paracetamol is so typical. I mean, two days is not a long time. There is more in common between NL and Cyprus than perhaps first meets the eye grin

starrynight123 Tue 29-Apr-14 22:12:03

panadol? for post-cs?! It doesn't even get rid of my mild headaches!!! :-O

mrsnec Wed 30-Apr-14 05:07:15

Morning all,

starry, that's a shame about the baby shower. I'm sure your friends appreciated what you did for them.

That website is great I agree. Oaklahoma your mum sounds great.

So regarding the whole nature's way thing here, I find it a bit hypocritical when they make you go through all that then feed the baby formula! I did think it was all a cultural thing at first but it's probably more about costs. And I keep thinking about the uk thing but some of my friends have had some very traumatic births in some very well known nhs hospitals. One major advantage here is a very low infection rate I have to keep telling myself things like that.

Living well done! Starting to dread my parent's visiting now!

Interesting about the system in France and aftercare. Here they're more worried about establishing a routine with the baby. You don't get discharged until you can prove you know what you're doing. The average stay for a birth with no complications is 5 days. I think they'd be better off spending that cash on decent drugs!

Meerka Wed 30-Apr-14 06:34:45

grats living on dealing with your mum! seen some of your other comments on other threads on things she's said. My goodness. She goes home today, right? and you have peace now for a few weeks? (other than well, everythign else you have on your plate).

Still no sign of the baby and this morning Im feeling in between down and cross. I told them more than once that I was starting to struggle badly and they just did not listen at all. FGS, the holy cow of 'natural way' here needs shooting and making into steaks.

petitlapin1 Wed 30-Apr-14 06:43:09

living I have had similar conversations with my mum- I tell her I can't wait to eat (insert food here) again and she says I hadn't ought to, now I've "done so well and lost all that weight!) Argh!

Happy 37 weeks to me, I celebrated with a bag of IV fluids for 3+ ketones again and getting a section date because naughty baby turned breech again. 15th May, can't come soon enough! even though I am so scared of c sec and long hospital stay.

I have decided today is going to to be happily unproductive. I've snuggled back down under the duvet and don't plan on getting out for anything apart from water, snacks (unsure what's safe this week) and pee trips.

petitlapin1 Wed 30-Apr-14 06:44:55

Mmm meerka, steak...

What's the plan for baby eviction now?

Lottiedoubtie Wed 30-Apr-14 07:15:00

Morning all, I'm sorry to read about all the natural birth and mother stress going round, not what anyone needs when suffering with HG like this.

I woke at 5.30 this morning, which has the bonus of now I feel like it's mid morning so not so difficult getting up and dressed! I'm planning to go to work, have a relatively quiet morning at my desk and then teach my year 10 this afternoon.... What could possible go wrong grin

Tbh, I'm still on cloud nine after yesterday's news so feel relatively invincible! Did retch a bit before I managed to get my pill down me earlier, but since then not so much, so fingers crossed.

Booboostoo Wed 30-Apr-14 07:22:28

Lottie how wonderful, great news! What a relief for all of you!

Meerka have you tried bouncing on a gym ball? My MW was very keen on that as a way of persuading the baby to make an appearance.

I'm in France. As far as I know they do not wait till 42 weeks here, it's 40 weeks and a lot of people have dating scans around 7wks to have a more accurate date than going from the last period. There are three options in France: clinics which can't offer CS, hospitals which can care for newborns from 32wks and specialist hospitals that can look after younger premies. There are almost no homebirths as the medical establishment do not support them and almost no ELCS as they refuse to do them. Epidurals are easily on offer, generally anaesthetists are available, but you can also refuse one. Most hospitals have private rooms (Paris may be the exception as it is more overcrowded) and from 7 months onwards you are looked after by the hospital gynea team. Everyone stays in hospital a lot longer, 5 days usually for VB and 7 for CS. My hospital had a lactation consultant who visited twice a week and my small town had a lactation consultant you could go afterwards but services are really difficult to find because they are not integrated and not listed on the internet. You get 6 sessions of pelvic floor exercises after birth and everyone is religious about them as the MWs literally tell you that your womb will pop out if you do not attend (!!!).

Oh I had paracetamol only after my CS after the first 2 days. My pain was completely under control.

Meerka Wed 30-Apr-14 07:44:56

petit, more waiting. they look again on friday to see if I've ripened any more. Plan after that? more waiting. They won't give anything stronger than the equivilent of cyclizine _ B6 against the nausea, which was really bad last night.

Just typed out a long rant which I wont post but my god, am I tired of all this.

Oklahoma Wed 30-Apr-14 08:32:37

Meerka I don't know how you still manage to sound so sane after going through all this.

I've had enough this week. I just want it to be over.

Lottiedoubtie Wed 30-Apr-14 09:52:10

Meerka I feel for you, rant away, we can take it and what your going through is awful. I really hope it's good news soon.

starrynight123 Wed 30-Apr-14 12:11:26

Ditto what lottie said - meerka feel free to rant away. If you can't rant at a time like this, when can you rant?

I've got the decorator round today and he is getting on with painting the nursery and putting up some wallpaper on one wall. He arrived at 8.30am and I was feeling so completely awful, but thankfully I could just point him in the direction of the room and leave him to it.

I'm being brave today and sitting downstairs with my sickbag and laptop. Go me! Usually I'm too scared to do anything but sit in bed :-/ God, sometimes I feel like screaming with frustration at being so stuck in my fear and feeling so unwell.

Lottiedoubtie Wed 30-Apr-14 13:31:47

Grrr just had a stupid conversation with a pregnant colleague,

'So how much were you actually being sick? I was nauseous for the first 23 weeks but worked every day. Have they been paying you as if you were sick? Or taking it out of your maternity?'


starrynight123 Wed 30-Apr-14 13:48:48

Erm... 'as if you were sick'?! :-O

PunkStar Wed 30-Apr-14 13:51:17

I was only in hospital 48 hours after CS and that was even after I collapsed 6 hours post op. I found it a relief to have a fixed date, hope you are happy about CS.

Grrrr Lottie she gets the award for ' most annoying/smug colleague ever.'

Not having such a bad day today, no vomiting. I feel like I am starving away a little with the nausea and food aversions. I'm not going to have a great deal of weight to lose postnatally....

Re the motion sickness.... Yes, I frequently vomit when driving but it's worse if someone else is driving. Lying down helps but bed is much more comfy than sofa.

Wouldn't it be wonderful if there was a cure for HG...even with great treatment and care I've felt crap the whole pregnancy. It's only due to the prednisolone that I've gained any weight and now plateauing rather than losing again.

Meerka as ever, hoping things happen soon. Will it ever end?

Hope everyone else okay.....x

livingzuid Wed 30-Apr-14 13:52:43

I hate people. Not all ofc but people like that! You just want to tell them to eff off! How bloody patronising.

Hiding in McDonald's with a diet coke and a cheeseburger as I have overdone it and nearly vomited and nearly fainted trying to get a bit of shopping done. Mother is ON THE PLANE HOME however which nasty as it sounds is such a relief. It's hard, hard work. Dh said he's never met anyone so oblivious in his life as my mother grin

Will write more later but meerka rant away it's what we are here for smile

starrynight123 Wed 30-Apr-14 14:34:26

punk sigh, yes, a cure would be a glorious thing. I know that it is going to take me a long time to get over this whole thing, mentally and physically.

starrynight123 Wed 30-Apr-14 14:35:17

living hurray!! Your time is finally your own again! Hope you are feeling better after your meal. Man, I miss McDonald's - actually, I miss all food!!

LucindaE Wed 30-Apr-14 15:32:34

Livingzuid What a relief! I'm sorry your mother isn't more cuddly and understanding. That's what you want with this, to be fussed over a bit...
Waves anxiously to all.

LucindaE Wed 30-Apr-14 15:34:47

Forgot to say, Meerka [smie] I so agree about Helpher, maybe I should add that as a link but I didn't want to overhwhelm people. I'm sorry to say I haven't been on in a while, logging in and email problems with it.

Meerka Wed 30-Apr-14 17:05:18

starry nice to hear that the decorator is there, it has to be a nice step forward to get the nursery sorted! Hope you arent feeling too bad. Absolutely know what you mean about it'll take time to get over it. You're having a hell of a time, I really hope that it improves for you.

living so pleased you can get some peace and quiet now, well deserved!

lottie you are so patient. I dont think I could have stopped myself from snapping something very curt!

punk i dont know how you've coped at all. thank god for your consultant.

lucinda hope yoru email and net gets sorted!

Had the afternoon at home with husband and even drove to a park and lurched 100m or so, then we just sat quietly the rest of the afternoon. Then picked up son from daycare (HG has been so expensive!) and went to the local wonderful ice cream parlous and joy, the ice cream seems to be staying down! It was absolutely lovely. This morning I was really fed up again so it was perfect to have a laid back and companionable afternoon.

PunkStar Wed 30-Apr-14 17:42:44

Glad you had a nice day Meerka!
You are not kidding about HG being expensive, I've probably lost around 90% of my income over this pregnancy...
We've had to use nursery a bit but my Da has been the true life and money saver!

Starry aw it's fab getting the nursery done, I've not moved my stuff out of the nursery to be, absolute laziness!

starrynight123 Wed 30-Apr-14 18:43:26

meerka what a lovely afternoon! It sounded perfect - the fresh air, company and ice cream - and hurray for Springtime meaning a little more sunshine into all of our lives! You really deserve many, many such beautiful days.

Thanks meerka & punk - it is sooooo nice to have a nursery coming together! It was stressful while the decorator was here, but all the decorating is done now: one wall with wallpaper and the others painted a simple cream colour. Dh and brother-in-law are moving our little chest of drawers in there over the weekend and the cotbed will be arriving in 2-wks time (thank god for the Easter sales).

I spoke with a lady from the PSS website this afternoon and she was incredible. Can't recommend them highly enough. It was so good to speak with someone who experienced the horrors of hg AND who also has emetaphobia. I keep sobbing because it's so good to speak to an actual person who understands. I've signed up for a volunteer, so am very, very much looking forward to having someone to speak with.

Lucinda it would be fabulous to have a link to the HelpHer website. I understand what you mean about overwhelming people, but it's such a fantastic resource!!

Oklahoma Wed 30-Apr-14 18:57:43

Lottie please tell me you threw up on her or punched her?

A cure for HG. Sigh. That would just be the most wonderful thing imaginable at the moment. My dad has started referring to the baby as 'the body snatcher' which made me smile. I don't know what I would without them so Living I read about your mother with horror. How do you cope!?

Meerka I have no words. Just...lots of sympathetic vibes.

Punk yes. One of my pregnant friends pointed out I was lucky as I hadn't put on any weight the other day. If looks could kill.

Can't remember the other things I was going to say. Sorry to those I've missed, stupid baby brain!!

Lottiedoubtie Wed 30-Apr-14 19:25:32

grin punching pregnant women not quite my style!

I wish I was cutting with her but there were so many people around and it was dressed up as a 'naice' conversation... She did shut up after I mentioned the hospital admission though fortunately....

Ended up at work from 7.30-3pm and then 5-7pm tonight, so reduced hours is going well hmm

Should be better tomorrow I think, aiming for 10-12 and then 7-9pm.

Feeling pretty nauseas now though sad

Oklahoma Wed 30-Apr-14 19:30:23

Lottie I don't know how you did it! I managed 13h - 18h from home today and feel like I have been hit by a bus. 7h30 is unthinkable but I guess I am very sick in the mornings and different people have different puke schedules.

Please take care of yourself...

Today has been a complete mare from start to finish.
Got up, washed dressed for a fancy workshop. Started puking and got massive nosebleed, meanwhile taxi driver calls to say he is outside. Washed blood and sick off myself, went to workshop and pretended to be normal.
6.30 pm at workshop threw up so hard that I peed myself.
Now waiting for taxi home which is delayed due to frickin tube strike.


Lottiedoubtie Wed 30-Apr-14 20:14:36

Oh tak1ng sounds horrendous, hope you get back soon.

Taxi just cancelled. I might never get home sad

Lottiedoubtie Wed 30-Apr-14 20:39:18

You will, have you got the kabee app? I've found it pretty reliable for getting a taxi and they were advertising as good in the tube strike yesterday.

mrsb87 Wed 30-Apr-14 21:01:09

Oh no tak1ng what an awful day! I think most of us here have peed and puked at the same time at some point or another so you're not alone!
I hope you can have a rest tomorrow?

Sending lots of kind thoughts to meerka, I hope this ends for you soon xx xx

I think I over did it today at work. The not been sick but the nausea is horrid! We go into sale next week and we received the list of stock that's going in and I really wanted to make a start on prep. Will be slowing down tomorrow though!

Meerka Wed 30-Apr-14 21:12:28

oh god taking ... how awful sad

might you be able to take tomorrow off? YOu'll have to rest!

Best of luck

thanks for good wishes everyone, the nurses here -are- lovely .. its jsut waiting waiting waiting.

No chance of taking tomorrow off but I will work from home and then we have a glorious 3 day weekend. Can't wait!
Am home now, thank you so much for your nice messages. Another lady from the workshop lives near me so she gave me a lift. I was VERY CROSS with the cab company down the phone after 1 hour delay...you can imagine.

starrynight123 Wed 30-Apr-14 21:32:37

tak1 omg, big hugs from here and WELL DONE for getting through such a nightmare day. totally agree with mrsb - we've all peed/puked at the same time. It got so bad for me in the mornings, that as soon as I wake up, I instinctively take my pj bottoms off so I only have to put myself in the shower and I don't run out of pj bottoms(!) So sorry if that's tmi(!)

mrsb87 Wed 30-Apr-14 21:36:36

Me too starry. I often have the "pee or puke first" dilemma!

Oklahoma Wed 30-Apr-14 21:37:39

Starry no such thing as TMI on here.

I just realised I haven't even brushed my hair since Monday. Is bed head still in fashion?

Also how do people deal with teeth cleaning? Every time I try it makes me puke and I can never decide which is worse - the furry mouth or the puking.

Oklahoma Wed 30-Apr-14 21:38:16

Ooooh the pee or puke dilemma! It makes me feel like I have some control!!

starrynight123 Wed 30-Apr-14 21:38:19

mrsb ditto! Although my body usually decides for me. The joys of hg(!) My dh calls it his 'dawn chorus'.

starrynight123 Wed 30-Apr-14 21:41:10

okla LucindaE's rinsing mouth with bicarbonate of soda helped me, plus sucking sugarfree mints. I tried mouthwash (made me sick) and it's only now at 25wks that I can brush my teeth in the shower in the late morning after having my medication. Otherwise, it's a no-go. Horrid, huh? I hate feeling so icky :-/

Tooth brushing is a massive trigger for my sickness. I have even doing a quick rise and spit which I am sure is useless. Sometimes I manage a midday floss...

starrynight123 Wed 30-Apr-14 21:53:56

It's all well and good that pregnant women in the UK get free dental care, but frankly it would be more useful to me if I could get it post-birth! I shudder to think how bad my teeth are going to be by the end of this pregnancy...

Lottiedoubtie Wed 30-Apr-14 22:02:22

I think you can? For the first 12 months? Or is that only prescriptions?

starrynight123 Wed 30-Apr-14 22:06:58

lottie yes! I'm so glad you said that because I had no idea! - www.nhs.uk/chq/Pages/are-pregnant-women-entitled-to-free-NHS-dental-treatment.aspx

Tallyra Wed 30-Apr-14 22:53:43

Yes, starry it's free for a year after, which is good because my temporary fillings keep falling out and I think I'm going to need a new crown. Having HG 4 times and also a hiatus hernia that got fixed 7 years ago means my teeth are crumbling by now!

LePamplemousse Wed 30-Apr-14 23:00:56

Hi everyone I have a friend with hyperemesis. Probably a silly question - I've never been pregnant - but any ideas for any presents or little goodies I could buy for her? Any foods which help the sickness? Or anything else which would make her feel better? I want to make up a little pack and deliver it to her house. It's a little too early to buy baby presents at this point so I thought it might be a nice thing to do.

livingzuid Thu 01-May-14 06:32:00

lepamplemouse it's such a lovely thought. To be honest her eating habits will be so off the wall any food you send could easily have her running to the toilet to vomit! At its peak the only food (much to my distress) that helped was McDonald's.

It's very individual as to what each of us can tolerate. Diet coke is my go to product but for others they need the full fat. I can't stand sugar in my diet right now which has not prevented me putting on huge amounts of weight sigh

No amount of gingery goods or travel sickness bands help. And buying nice smellies for her to use in the bath etc also not good. The slightest smell can set us off. I had to change my laundry detergent, fabric softener, deodorant, shampoo and conditioner.

Has she said what she's able to eat and drink? I guess she's not past the sixteen weekish mark? Things can improve for some people by then but for others they will have this for the whole pregnancy. It truly is miserable.

If someone bought me a supply of Rennies to last till the end of my pregnancy I would love them forever! I wonder about getting her something she can look forward to after the pregnancy, like a day out to a spa for the two of you? Or, oooh a cleaner to come and clean, even just for an hour! That would have been amazing! Dh bless him did his best but it was not to my standards grin

Others may have better suggestions! I think it would be very difficult to get her anything until she is feeling a bit more human again.

Just your support and understanding, lending her an ear to bend, is a godsend in itself smile

mrsnec Thu 01-May-14 06:33:55

Hi le pamplemousse, that's a very lovely thought. The other ladies on this thread suffer worse than I do but I know we have a few things in common in terms of things that help a bit. Sucking sweets are good. If I was in the UK it would be sherbet lemons but I make do with skittles sours and fruit mentos. I also like fizzy drinks, full sugar coke for me but some of the other girls can cope with diet. I also like a milkshake too and I know some of the others share this so chocolate nesquick powder would be good. Some people find citrus smells help too. An essential oils burner and some lemon oil but it has to be natural as chemicals in the synthetic stuff can be a trigger. I have been at home a lot and get bored of daytime tv so I'd appreciate reading material too if it was me. If she's dehydrated too she may appreciate moisturiser and lip balm too. Some of the others do crisps and biscuits to nibble but I can't cope with either it's quite an individual thing! Hi to everyone i'll be back later.

mrsnec Thu 01-May-14 06:38:06

Living, the cleaner idea is outstanding! I agree on the McDonald's too. If someone came round with a cleaner and a happy meal I would love them forever!

Meerka Thu 01-May-14 06:49:37

yeah, a cleaner ! seriously, such a good idea.

moisturizer and lip balm too, but as low-scented as possible, big style.

Reading material. At its worst, you cant look at a screen at all, TV or PC. some people struggle even with the eye movement of reading, but it's a better bet than a screen. If she has any faviourite authors or something, that'd be good specially if they are easy reading.

So nice of you to think of this and not just turn up with food ... she will probably appreciate it that you take the whole thing seriously actually. It's very annoying when people think you can just 'get on with it' and 'try harder'.

okla tooth brushing is a bugger, yeah. I could only clean my teeth in the morning and still can't do it at night, its guarenteed to set me off. I usually brush them in the morning and use one of those little flossing sticks early afternoon while I still can. Some people find baby toothpaste better than adult.

good morning everyone. there's were a few painful contractions last night then eveyrthing calmed down again ... ho hum.

Booboostoo Thu 01-May-14 08:06:49

Tak1 I pee a little bit every time I sneeze! It was like that with my first pregnancy but recovered afterwards so I am hoping it will all go back to normal after this pregnancy as well.

okla tooth cleaning was a nightmare for me too in the first trimester. Trying different toothpastes helped and things are a lot better now (20wks) I can always brush in the morning and most times again in the evening,

mrsnec Thu 01-May-14 08:15:35

Meerka hope something happens soon!

I have the teeth cleaning thing too. It's worse in the evening. Bizarre isn't it. I. Tried lots of different mouthwashes but I can cope with the listerine soft mint one. Good tip about baby toothpaste though.

LucindaE Thu 01-May-14 09:04:25

lepamplemousse That is so nice of you. I don't think I can improve on other's suggestions, but I did find sucking old fashioned barley sugars helped a little. I think Mereka may have got them online?
Tallyra Lovely to hear from a happily maeternal Tallyra.
Meerka Thinking of you, as ever. What an endurance test, you'll be able to think in later years 'Well, I got through that. I can handle anything.'...Not as if that's much comfort now.
Hope Nobody is in need of IV...

Oklahoma Thu 01-May-14 09:47:26

LePamplemousse I would avoid food / anything scented (as mentioned above).

How about some books on CD. I can't really read or watch TV as the nausea is terrible but you can lie down with your eyes closed and listen to a book.

And totally agree with the cleaning. Someone to come in and do a couple of hours so the house no longer looks like a bomb site would be a godsend!

Oklahoma Thu 01-May-14 10:01:54

It's crazy how much HG varies for everyone, like even just for teeth cleaning.

My mornings are always horrific but I can sometimes cope in the afternoon / evening whereas you all seem to be ok in the morning.

LucindaE Thu 01-May-14 10:06:43

Okla Oh dear, do you start the day with a bile run and have it carry onfrom there? That makes you dread waking up as you drift off at night. When I suffered, the mornings were worst and then late at night.
About tooth cleaning, do people find kids' strawberry toothpaste more bearable than mint? I used to put it on my teeth with my little finger hmm...

Oklahoma Thu 01-May-14 10:15:01

Yep, literally the first thing I do when I wake up. Urgh.

PunkStar Thu 01-May-14 11:54:26

Pample v lovely thought...
Is v hard to recommend any foods and the only person to bring me foods I felt like punching....crackers 'it's just morning sickness under it all' <insert many many sweariest swear words>
I bought a friend of mine some Dr Hauschka Bkackhawthorne oil...but I don't know if it smells (good for stretch marks)
A friend of mine bought me a lovely maternity top which was inspired as that could do me no harm! Books...although I couldn't read until around 18 weeks or so. Audiobooks are great though.
Depending on finances, another friend bought me a mother to be spa day but that is very OTT!!

A cleaner! Yes, this has made our lives much easier. I can't manage the whole house even now....

I can clean my teeth now but for very brief periods but I use a chlorhexidine based mouthwash which I can manage okay. Using a child's toothbrush makes life easier too :-)

I must be feeling okay, I've arranged for a friend to visit one weekend. Although I lived with her for five years so seeing me on a vom day will be no problem :-)
This is a big breakthrough for me!!!

Oklahoma Thu 01-May-14 12:09:36

Punk that's exciting! Glad you are feeling a bit better.

I've given up on worrying about puking in front of people. They'll get over it.

Lottiedoubtie Thu 01-May-14 13:16:42

okla how many weeks are you now?

I woke early again this morning and went to work earlier than planned. Big mistake as got asked to teach an A2 lesson at the last minute with no prep! Fortunately it went ok, and was mainly revision based so I did lots of 'what do you think about that' discussion blush I think by the end of the period I'd almost got my teaching knowledge back...

Good news is I've managed to get out of my evening commitment tonight and have now come home so I can rest for the rest of the day. Feeling tired but nausea is only at 4/10, 8/10 when walking around though so definitely need a rest.

Got the doctors at 4pm as run out of meds again today. I want to have a sensible conversation with the doctor about switching/reducing meds but I guess it depends on how good the doctor is at giving advice to pregnant women...

Oklahoma Thu 01-May-14 13:21:15

I'm 14+2 today so a long long way to go still. You're a few weeks ahead of me I think.

How are you interacting with people!? I can just about cope with a couple of hours from home occasionally but I don't think I could actually speak to anyone about work. At least if it takes me an hour to write an email no one has to know!

You have my awe!

Lottiedoubtie Thu 01-May-14 13:32:57

Yes, I'm 21 weeks tomorrow. At 14.2 I couldn't have interacted at work, those were the worst few weeks for me, I was admitted to hospital @ 15 weeks.

I feel comparatively like a different person this last week or so, I'm capable of actually doing things in the day and getting up and dressed doesn't fill me with dread anymore! I haven't felt this normal since about 4/5 weeks pregnant. I'm just hoping I'm one of the lucky ones and I don't relapse again.

PunkStar Thu 01-May-14 14:23:24

Okla I couldn't have thought about work at 14 weeks, I think I was around 26 weeks when I started to take some stuff on. That was hard but satisfying...but I'm pretty ill if I attempt two days close together (as last weeks attempt proved to me) so I'm happy to stick with one day a week but will be working (hopefully) until the very end.

I didn't really leave the house much until around 20 weeks. It's actually pretty useful to reflect back to make me appreciate what I can do now, as little as that seems.
I can shower now!

Lottie sounds like you are doing great! You could well be one of the lucky ones who goes on to have a 'normal' pregnancy :-) get some rest!

starrynight123 Thu 01-May-14 14:49:29

pample what a thoughtful and kind thing to do! I wonder if you could get her a water filter, if she doesn't already have one? I can't stand the taste of tap water any more.

Totally just went for a walk for about 25-30mins; SO pleased with myself!! It was the first time I had managed to venture out of the house for 4 days, and the first time without my dh HUGE GRIN Completely shattered now, mind you, but I don't care!!!! Celebrating with a glass of iced water. Ah, how we live :-)

Meerka Thu 01-May-14 15:05:57

starry that's lovely news smile and ditto lottie, fingers crossed you carry on improving!

<waves to everyone>

Oklahoma Thu 01-May-14 15:22:25

Starry that's very exciting news. And a water filter is a fab idea!! Shows thought and understanding. I love it.

Lottie I had been a bit better a few weeks ago but the last week or so have utterly knocked me down again. I'm only doing a bit from home as I have to do some stuff for my appraisees and if I don't they will suffer and I concluded the guilt from that would be worse than trying to do a bit of work. I just couldn't speak to anyone though.

Oklahoma Thu 01-May-14 15:26:44

Also does anyone else wake up in the night and throw up? I've started to in the last week or so and was hoping for some coping tactics.

Meerka Thu 01-May-14 15:30:29

okla I kept a bucket by the bed with a little bit of water at the bottom (makes cleaning it easier).

starrynight123 Thu 01-May-14 15:32:40

pample one more thought - does she have a kindle? If so, perhaps an Amazon voucher so she can get any books (or dvds) that she wants? I know I read a lot of stuff esp in the early weeks because I couldn't use the laptop/watch anything.

Thank you meerka and Oklahoma!!!

I'm afraid I haven't got to the point of being sick when I wake up in the night. A lot of nausea when I pop to the bathroom, but thankfully not being sick. Very sorry I can't offer any advice.

LucindaE Thu 01-May-14 16:54:12

Meerka A good idea! Okla Tissues by the bed, so horrible throwing up into said bucket, and nothing to blow your nose on sad. Sorry about relapse, that's so disappointing.
Lottie and Starry Good news.
Punkstar I think even one day a week working is a huge achievement with this...
Leaves, clucking anxiously...

Meerka Thu 01-May-14 17:13:52

ooh yes definitely keep tissues by the bed and if you can drink anything, whatever it is you can drink to take the awful taste away.

One thing I found that helps stop leakage below when you're vomitting is to kneel over the bowl, and rest your crotch on your heel. The pressure seems to stop the wee coming out better.

LucindaE Thu 01-May-14 18:40:00

Meerka That is excellent technical advice grin. Sending you some more flowers by way of thanks thanksthanksthanks.

starrynight123 Thu 01-May-14 20:20:35

meerka - so funny, but so helpful! I told my husband and he was contorting himself in front of me to see how it worked - it was the funniest thing I've ever seen!!! Thank you for that bizarre and unusual sight alone!!!

LucindaE - I second those flowers!! :-D

LucindaE Thu 01-May-14 20:36:43

Starry I hope he didn't do himself an injury somewhere delicate, trying to put pressure on it?! [grin}

Popalina Thu 01-May-14 21:11:08

Hi guys! It's totesamazeballs under a different name. I cancelled my last account after that computer virus. Just checking in to see how everyone is coping. Dd is 4 weeks now and just had DSs 2nd birthday. Had a nightmare breastfeeding her due to tongue tie so pretty much on formula now. Feel a bit like its a tad unfair when pregnancy was so crap too but such is life.

Tallyra Thu 01-May-14 21:41:47

Hi totes, it's lovely to see you. I'm really sorry to hear about tongue tie, I hear it can be sorted out fairly easily in many cases though?
Dd is now 3 weeks old would you believe??

PunkStar Thu 01-May-14 21:55:46

Congrats and glad you are okay. Sorry about the tongue tie. I'm pleased it's been picked up on, sorry you are unable to breastfeed but your little babba will thrive on formula too. I think it's harder on us Mammas sometimes, bab will be happy as long as loved and fed.

livingzuid Fri 02-May-14 08:13:49

Sorry for silence was not good yesterday and then freaked out in the middle of the night over reduced movement whilst trying not to be sick but chocolate seems to have woken her up this morning! Blergh at sweet stuff but hey whatever works I guess.

Have psychologist and some psychiatric appointments today . So tired. And the nausea is awful at night but I don't have poor boo's situation.

mrsb87 Fri 02-May-14 08:29:18


I'm looking into starting my own business and have posted this in the work section of the website. Any help or advice would be really appreciated!!

How is everyone? I'm still on my morning bile runs but other than that (and the ever increasing heartburn!!) I'm doing okay!

Okla the bucket by the bed is a good idea, if you can stand some kind of essential oils then a few drops cam help with the pukey smells!

LucindaE Fri 02-May-14 08:49:15

Popalina or Totes Lovely to hear from you - it isn't fair, her tongue tie, after your suffering such a horrible pregnancy. A month already!
and Tallyra , the weeks are flying by.
livingzuid It's very brave of you to set up a business at this time. Lack of movement can make you anxious. I remember my daughter when inside slept soundly every night, to the point where I worried a bit about lack of movement then, but when born,was sleepless!
Okla I hope the bile run not too savage this morning?
Apologies to anyone rudely overlooked - managed to scrawl an illegible message again...

LucindaE Fri 02-May-14 08:52:38

That's it - mrsb87 Sorry you still suffer from bile runs too - that residual heartburn is a menace.
Punkstar I hope OK?

livingzuid Fri 02-May-14 09:08:00

Think it's mrsb setting up her own business smile I would never have the courage!

The movement thing is so odd isn't it. I think she's at a strange angle. I get three days or so of quite busy baby then three days of not a huge amount. It's all following the same pattern but very disconcerting. I have had a few nudges and prods and stretches this morning so trying not to worry too much about it for now.

Anyway, feeling very sick whilst waiting for first and worst appointment of the day. The psychiatrist is easy, but with the psychologist I have to actually talk about stuff which is hard! I don't do psychotherapy at the moment as it's too dangerous. But still a struggle!

mrsnec Fri 02-May-14 09:16:25

Hi everyone! That sounds really nasty the night puking business. Glad I've not been effected by that yet!

Good advice meerka!

Hi popalina and tallyra!

Living that's interesting about the chocolate. I've not felt anything yet really but not been eating it might give it a go. Maybe it's still too early (18+2) good luck with your apts today.

Mrs b, excellent idea. I know working in retail is demanding in those kinds of roles don't blame you for wanting to do something else. I have a friend on fb who did the very same thing when she was pg. She sells on etsty and through her fb page she makes teepees, changing mats and portable blackboard type thingies.think she does quite well out of it.

Rubbish day here yesterday. Dh thinks my symptoms are all in my head and had another rant about me not pulling my weight around the house. He is very stressed at the moment, we're having trouble selling our house in the UK with nightmare estate agents, I'm in the middle of a really nasty court case that should be over by now, he's stupidly busy at work and has his recently divorced friend over to visit today for 5 days who is having some kind of midlife crisis. Fun packed weekend for me then!

Sorry if I missed anyone!

mrsb87 Fri 02-May-14 09:19:52

It's something I've always wanted to do. Ever since I was in school I wanted my own fabric shop and haberdashery! I also don't want to be slave to my job when the baby is here, the hours are erratic and you are expected to do overtime and ate nights outside of your contracted hours. It's not really conducive to family life!

LucindaE Fri 02-May-14 09:28:27

mrsb87 blush Stupid me! Well, it's very brave of you for sure. I have heard that you can never sit down in retail work and are often expected to wear heels. I was in a library job once, believe it or not, where you couldn't- and after an eleven hour shift your legs did ache. I hope you can sit down?
livingzuid Sympathies about nasty appointments.
mrsnec Oh no, OH is back to that tack and inflicting a friend with problems on you too. Poor you.
Meerka - Mother Hen waves one wing anxiously.

mrsb87 Fri 02-May-14 09:45:46

Yes luckily my manager is great but unfortunately the company as a whole is hard work and we're finding out nothing is enough and they always want more.

Mrsnec I'm sorry to hear you're not being supported well enough. At least you can have a good rant to us about it all!

mrsnec Fri 02-May-14 09:53:09

I know I really don't know what I'd do without you all. I was also annoyed yesterday as mil has spent loads of money on a travel system for us. I know it's very generous and I should be grateful but I told her not to and that it's too early, thought she'd have learnt from last time. I think I'm just cross she didn't listen and did her own thing she'd already had an argument with my dm over which one to buy and who was buying it!

Mrsb your plan sounds like its going to fit in much better with family life and it makes sense to start it now it's great your manager is supportive.

Oklahoma Fri 02-May-14 10:11:15

Mrsnec that sounds like a nightmare few days. As if you didn't have enough to deal with!

livingzuid Fri 02-May-14 10:36:17

Oh mrsnec you poor thing that's not what you need. Has he seen some of these sites documenting how severe hg can be? Just head to bed with a good book and rest.

Totally sympathise with the house selling thing. I had to sell my flat in London before moving here and it was a nightmare. Moving abroad is sometimes not the utopia I had in my head.

As for the MiL well I just ranted about exactly the same thing to my psychologist as we were exploring mother - daughter relationships. Mine does exactly the same thing and dh and I had a big row about it yesterday morning before he went to work which is still kind of unresolved.

My psychologist said that it's important to establish boundaries now. There is a risk of grandmothers coming in and taking over. However, we must always remember we are the mothers and that we can, and should, say no if we are uncomfortable at any point. And that it is OK to say no. Even fathers do not get as much of a say as the mother, particularly when they are newborn.

A friend actually returned this whole pile of stuff that her MiL bought, thanked her and said it wasn't necessary. Good for her I thought! I anticipate doing the same with the pile of stuff tat that has just arrived! Making use of the pregnancy rage for courage whilst I have it.... If people want to buy presents then fine, we made a list, but why buy a ton of crap which isn't on there!

They had their turn. It's ours now. All of us need time to grow as a family and get used to each other. Perhaps it is different when it is a second or subsequent baby but I can't imagine being any less protective of my space smile

Can you tell this kind of thing pisses me off!!! It's such invasive and controlling behaviour. No matter how well meaning.

meerka thinking of you and hoping silence is a good thing.

mrsb forgot to say, definitely will look at the business thing, wonderful idea. Working for yourself is a bit of a holy grail for me so anyone who can do it I am in awe of.

Sorry, waving at everyone else off to next appointment to talk about how to get discharged into the tender arms of the NHS grin

livingzuid Fri 02-May-14 10:37:38

Can I just say I meant my MiL. My own mum is actually very good about distance and boundaries! Just not on other things grin

mrsnec Fri 02-May-14 11:44:47

It's like he's oblivious to anyone suffering. We heard of a friend's daughter who is due the same time as me and is also really bad but according to him she's just saying that to make me feel better!

Dh was so desperate to come here we never sold our house. He won't rent it out as the rental value doesn't cover the mortgage and despite having a managing agent the las tenants trashed it, we just lost another buyer as they didn't even have a mortgage then the agent didn't take the sold board down and wondered why all the viewings cancelled!

Your psychologist makes perfect sense. I definitely need to do that. I just want to be able to do things my way or at least for them to understand. I have issues with my dm too. She has no biological grandchildren yet but 11 stepgrandchildren. 3 of those were born at the same time I had my mc and she is constantly comparing them, births, christenings, equipment, feeding routines etc and that is driving me mad too. It's definitely a good idea about the stuff there's nothing wrong with doing that I definitely think it's a control thing. The stuff mil got I do like but it's a lot of money and she shouldn't have bought it yet I might have found something better and cheaper if id looked longer.thank goodness it's unisex!

I totally agree about it being our turn that's why I wish my dm would stop banging on about everyone else. Hope everything resolves itself for you living.

Agree about meerka!

Mrsb, I agree about working for yourself. There are definitely pros and cons. I've had a couple of failed ventures here but dh's business does well enough to support both of us. It's hard work but the best thing for me was waving goodbye to corporate rubbish!

PunkStar Fri 02-May-14 12:21:29

My OH has mostly been understanding about the HG. However I can tell he's pretty stressed at times, it sometimes goes between asking me to do more stuff to the next day asking why I've dropped the prednisolone as I'm clearly not as well on a lower dose...

I'm adapting to my MIL. The both of them are a bit overbearing (FIL) They talk a lot but don't always listen. However I am softening, I appreciate the help they have given us and they do live 200 miles away! I just say no to them if My Ma was never like that, lots of space, but she was my best friend so I didn't really need it.

Self employment is great, especially now I have a child. You just have to be organised. Tax returns, keeping a work diary, I pay my NI by direct debit monthly so don't even think about that. I wish you lots of luck :-) go for it!!

Hope something good is happening!!!

Oklahoma Fri 02-May-14 12:34:34

My OH has been great too. It must be very hard on them though. He's worried sick about me and the baby and super stressed at work and then comes home and has to do everything around the house.

He's amazingly supportive I just wish I could be more help to him.

My MIL has started bringing round food parcels for him though which is good. She realised that practically the most help she can be is to reduce the house chores and him not having to worry about cooking helps a lot

I honestly don't know what is do without both my rents and my in laws. Yes mil has offered me ginger several times but they are supportive and not hugely interfering. It's first grandchild on both sides so I can't expect them to be totally uninterfering.

Sorry I'm just rambling, going a bit stir crazy stuck at home on my own all the time.

livingzuid Fri 02-May-14 12:39:47

Estate agents are money for old rope as far as I am concerned!

mrsnec Fri 02-May-14 12:47:53

Don't worry Oaklahoma I'm interested in other people's set ups. It helps me figure out if my feelings are normal or not!

And yes living, that's certainly been my experience of them so far! Although they were very nice, honest and efficient over here surprisingly!

PunkStar Fri 02-May-14 12:50:41

Going stir crazy too...
Not been so well this week. As soon as I eat I either vomit or feel intensely nauseated. Okay with fluids though...but I'm starving!
Lovely weather here today, would be nice to have a potter down by the river but I don't know if I can manage going out.
I've had to get a cleaner to manage house....OH is less stressed!!

35 weeks this weekend...June cannot come soon enough.

PunkStar Fri 02-May-14 12:52:40

We'll be selling in a couple of years...dread to think what estate agents charge, got a 1% no VAT on last sale...

Oklahoma Fri 02-May-14 14:12:51

We moved last summer and got 1% estate agent fees but VAT, stamp duty etc are killers. It's a very painful process

Georgebythesea Fri 02-May-14 14:29:16

Hi smile I'm new to this thread(18 weeks so another October baby)..I've been sick and unable to work/do much since 6 weeks(nightmare financially as I'm a self employed nanny)..it has been utter hell to be honest and at points I have felt I was literally dying.I am feeling less constantly nauseous now but now feel very nauseous after eating and vomit if I eat too much or too rich so stuck on toast and noodles and stuff.Bit worried because I haven't managed to eat any veg or take vitamins for weeks.
I've been struggling to get excited(even though baby is very much wanted) because feeling depressed and lonely being home alone every day and often stuck in bed so thought it was about time I joined this group.Thanks smile

Lottiedoubtie Fri 02-May-14 14:36:48

Welcome george the loneliness is crap isn't it? Don't worry too much about the veg, the baby's a good parasite and will be taking lots from you. Welcome to the best thread on MN, if you haven't already check out Lucindas links. smile

kalidasa Fri 02-May-14 14:40:35

Hello george. Don't worry about your terrible diet. I consumed nothing but drugs and IV fluid for weeks, and my diet didn't return to near normal until months after I had DS and he was absolutely FINE, a good weight and excellent AGPAR scores. Every time they tested my blood in pregnancy they told me I'd run out of something else (vit D, calcium, iron, B vits etc etc) and I didn't have much success with any of the recommended supplements because of vomiting but evidently it was all just going to him. If you do get a weird craving go with it. There were odd periods of a few days when something I couldn't stomach at all became the only thing I could keep down (e.g. milk for a while). I reckon this was probably when my body really needed a bit of something.

Well I am really geared up for HG now. My coil is out, I have a big bag of meds already prescribed and our nanny has started which should make things easier at home if I am seriously ill for months. DH is away this week but once he gets back on Sunday we are going for it. Obviously it'll never be a great time for work but it's as good a time as anyway and key people who would have to arrange necessary cover have been warned of the possibility. Such a weird time: of course I am excited to hopefully have another but it seems such a distant prospect with the massive mountain of the pregnancy in front of us! Also really odd trying to plan for the next few months in a way that means that if I am suddenly totally unable to do anything at all it won't be a disaster, but also that I'm not going to be completely bored and underoccupied if we don't conceive for some time.

Georgebythesea Fri 02-May-14 14:42:57

Thanks smile it helps feeling less alone and knowing I'm not the only one going through this.My partner is extremely supportive but works fulltime and is out 7-6.30 mon-fri so will be good to have people to chat to online who understand.

Meerka Fri 02-May-14 14:43:12

george, welcome smile i cant type much atm but i hope you find a home here smile

<waves at totes and then gentle hugs all round because ... > Willem Ian arrived this moment 08:48. after all that dreadful preg, its over. he is healthy and quite bonny. 3,875kilos

true ti dutch style, there was -no- pain relief though i\d asked for pethedine. it wasn't too much fun! but its over. over. over. over. over.

kalidasa Fri 02-May-14 14:51:57

CONGRATULATIONS meerka! That's such wonderful news, and a great weight too!

kalidasa Fri 02-May-14 14:52:12

(Do you not even get gas and air?!)

Meerka Fri 02-May-14 15:09:40

thank you.

no, no gas and air. nothing. Nix. There was a certain amount of screaming, ahem (blush)

mrsnec Fri 02-May-14 15:19:38

Congratulations meerka amazing news! Great name too! I think you were entitled to make a bit of noise. Sounds like you're both doing well. And welcome George! I was worried about my diet too especially when I had my bloods done but they seemed happy with my results.Despite the sugar I consume! I agree with the others. I'm eating mostly sandwiches and cereal and struggle a lot with drinks but do understand that fluid is probably more important.

kalidasa Fri 02-May-14 15:26:19

How long was your labour in the end meerka? And are you feeling less sick already?

ChaffinchOfDoom Fri 02-May-14 15:29:25

HOORAY!! congratulations mummy Meerka thanks

Willem a lovely name! ooh you brave thing how marvellous.
Enjoy some vom free scoffing! and gulping down drinks! the novelty of that will never wear off!
oh brilliant news XX

mrsb87 Fri 02-May-14 16:00:02

Phew!!! Congratulations meerka!! So so happy for you x

livingzuid Fri 02-May-14 16:06:11

meerka congratulations!!!! Thrilled for you and a great name smile no gas and air either wow. They said at our info evening that pethidine would be a second choice and they might even not administer it if too late. Bastards here! Have you eaten or drunk anything properly yet?

Pic please smile

livingzuid Fri 02-May-14 16:11:17

And welcome George very sorry you are here. I have had the worst diet and my baby at 36 weeks is gainormous so don't worry about it! I should have shares in diet coke and McDonald's the amounts I have consumed this pg.

Punk - our turn soon...did you get your c section date? I'm sending vibes to the baby that anything from next Friday onwards in terms of putting an appearance in is more than fine with me! I'm so fed up of eating or drinking anything then promptly feeling sick. And heartburn. I see my consultant next week and might see if I am a special case for elective c. Section too. It's so depressing.

PunkStar Fri 02-May-14 16:20:51

Huzzah Meerka
Massive congrats!!
It's over!!!!!! Must be a huge relief. Hope things are going well :-) really glad pregnancy has finally ended for you.

Welcome George
Totally understand what you are saying about the isolation and worrying about diet. I've had strawberries and ice cream so far today...nothing else has stayed down :-(
Just eat and drink what you can manage. I've never eaten such a crap diet! I'm self employed too so understand the reduced income. HG is just a farce!

Khali good idea sorting a nanny, looking after a one year old has been rather challenging with HG. I've had lots of help but it's the 6am get ups that have been problem....
It's great to be so organised, I got pregnant pretty much instantly this time and was pretty taken aback. Lots of things needed to be rearranged with work etc

PunkStar Fri 02-May-14 16:27:18

See obs next Fri!!!! Aggghhh just give me the date, my sanity is slowly disappearing. Hope you get a CS date too!!! That would be fabulous :-)
Last preg I had ideas of water birth etc but the minute this CS option appeared I jumped at it, anything to end the HG!!!

Not surprising we are so desperate to escape it...the consultant I see explained that lots of women he sees are requesting terminations as they can't cope with HG anymore. It's so sad that this illness is either so badly managed or it's so extreme that nothing helps :-(

PunkStar Fri 02-May-14 16:28:52

You should be double proud of your hardiness! Surviving HG then a natural birth!!! Good work :-) x

Booboostoo Fri 02-May-14 16:29:05

YAY! Congratulations Meerka!!! Lovely name, welcome little Willem!

Hi George, welcome to the thread. Sorry you are having such a rough time of it.

mrsnec what a weird attitude your DH has! Why would anyone deny the existence of a medical condition? Is this really about HG or it a way for expressing his stress about the pregnancy? My DP went completely bonkers over my first pregnancy even though we had been TTC for a while and it was hardly a surprise.

Lottiedoubtie Fri 02-May-14 17:31:06

Congratulations meerka I'm so pleased for you that pregnancy is over at last! Enjoy your (doubtlessly) beautiful little boy. I am shock however that you didn't get ANY pain relief? That's outrageous, hope you're ok now! cake

Georgebythesea Fri 02-May-14 17:34:10

Thanks everyone for your support..It's inspiring to hear of people making it to the birth..Not quite sure how I'm going to get through the next 5 months though guess I have to somehow! Can't believe I never knew until now how sick people could get(and I know there are people worse then me)..i have so much admiration for all the women who go through this some again and again.I don't think I will be doing it again though very excited to meet my little one.

Oklahoma Fri 02-May-14 17:35:43

Meeeeeerkaaaaa you made it!! Gefeliciteerd!! Oh I am so so happy for you all! Please send us a pic?

George I totally get you. HG 100% sucks. The loneliness is terrible. My parents drop by and my DH often works from home but even so the days just drag on and on. This thread really helps with the sanity though. Having people who understand (and where you can rant all you want) is a godsend. All I can say is hang on in there. As Lucinda says in the title thing 'this too shall pass' and things like Meerka's baby arriving make me believe I might just survive this.

kalidasa Fri 02-May-14 17:36:38

punk yes DS is 17 months and STILL doesn't sleep through the night, not to mention regularly wakes up at 5am. Nightmare! It's going to be hard enough on my DH/MIL etc as it is if I am anywhere near as ill as last time, but at least with a nanny there's no fetching and carrying and also for DS I feel it will help him to have one person just there for him, who can adjust what they do etc depending on how he is coping and could even e.g. bring him to visit me in hospital. Anyway it was a huge business making the switch but actually she seems really really good. I left just after they went out for a walk this morning and I saw them ahead of me, she was pushing the buggy and holding his hand so that he could walk (he's walking independently but not very confident). She says they walk pretty much everywhere which is wonderful for him but you have to be so patient at that age, he's so slow! I was so touched seeing them heading off together and I have a really good feeling about her.

I have been pregnant three times (two v. early losses at about 5 weeks and then DS) and I conceived three months in a row (Jan, Feb and March 2012), they are the only three months of my entire life that I haven't used contraception! So while we are realistic that it might take months, especially as we are a lot more stressed/tired/busy than we were at the beginning of 2012, I think we also have to be prepared for the possibility that it is very quick again. I also got extremely ill very quickly - before I even missed my period and was in hospital by the end of week 5 - so that's why we are trying to be 100% prepared before we even begin trying.

Hope everyone is bearing up.

Oklahoma Fri 02-May-14 17:43:35

Kali I'm in awe. Both at your forward planning and bravery at doing this again. I really don't see how I could ever face this again.

livingzuid Fri 02-May-14 17:49:18

mrsnec that's very strange of your DH and not at all supportive. I think boo might be correct and he's misconstruing his anxieties all onto you. It sounds like there is a lot going on for you guys - but no excuse to make you feel so bad. My dh is definitely struggling (another fight in the car over me wanting to take the baby to stay with my parents in late July and him staying here and moving us out until we can both be in Scotland at the start of August - is that unreasonable of me?) and I'm feeling pretty unsupported right now albeit in other ways.

He's never, however, denied the severity of HG! Although I think he underestimates how draining it is. I'm sipping on my diet coke (tap from McDs, have another in the fridge, heaven) and hiding on mn and have decided to ignore him until he sorts himself out grin

george the isolation is tough. I think most of us have been pretty housebound. I had to stop work at 17 weeks which was a relief but lordy it has been boring as all my friends work in the next city along and I see people perhaps once a month. I tried really hard to get out and walk as much as possible but it has been almost impossible. As a result I have a sad looking (and fat) Jack Russell who bless has been very understanding in a doggie kind of way!

punk that is so sad about the HG and ladies terminating. Shocking really. If I ever decide to do this again I don't think I could terminate but I can really understand why women choose to do so. I feel like dead man walking.

I am up against the same Calvinist Dutch system but there was talk of a potential c section so I fully intend to exploit the bipolar angle and see if it can be done, fingers crossed smile I suspect not but at least I know I won't go over 40 weeks as they won't let that happen.

In the meantime, back to my quarter pounder. God if I never have another McDonalds after this is over it will be too soon.

LucindaE Fri 02-May-14 17:51:31

Meerka Huge congratulations, my goodness, a painful birth to finishit off, but you got there. grin grinthanksthanksthanks wine. I am so relieved and happy for you. At last the grand entrance. I bet y ou were really brave. You've been wonderful at being brave with this, and helping others.
welcome to Georgebythesea. Sorry you feel so awful, there's so much support from lovely women on here.

PunkStar Fri 02-May-14 18:27:33

Hehe Living reading about your McD love has just enticed me into having my first McD in twenty odd years. Veggie burger (couldn't really manage) but fries and milkshake were great! Yes! Calories! I must live in the only city centre in the UK that does not have a McD!
As horrible as I feel typing it, there were times in my first pregnancy in particular when I felt like a miscarriage was my only way out. I know that sounds so so terrible given what people who miscarry go through :'( I couldn't bring myself to terminate but I understand those who do.
I also don't really think you are being unreasonable about parental visit. I think it may be easier! A newborn keeps you busy, if you and babe are in the UK will be much easier for OH to finish the job :-)

Kali really pleased you are happy with nanny. I think it will help tremendously. Our little boy sleeps through but enjoys getting up early. My family jumped into action really quickly once we realised a repeat of last pregnancy was occurring. My Dad even quit his job (he is 66 and was working himself into the ground, so it ended up being a positive thing, however he'll do some contracting again I'm certain. He likes to keep busy)
I think it's very brave of you. I only decided to go for another pregnancy because I was absolutely deluded that this would not happen again. Positive thinking huh?

petitlapin1 Fri 02-May-14 18:47:19

meerka that's amazing news! Congratulations. I hope the horribleness of hg disappeared immediately and you are full of lovely food and drink. And also enjoying newborn cuddles.

Less than 2 weeks to go for me. Psych nurse asked me yesterday if I was excited about it- unfortunately I just want baby out and to feel normal again.

Whoever was talking about mothers-in-law... Argh! I thought I'd been setting boundaries quite well (no more staying in the spare room when they come up as it's now a nursery, baby doesn't need any more stuff etc) but MiL now wanting to come and see me a day after c section in hospital. I said no (repeat after me: major abdominal surgery...time to adjust to being a family...) but OH has said "maybe". No No No.

Punk the McDonalds strawberry milkshakes got me through a tough few weeks.

Welcome George. You're halfway to having a fully cooked baby already. Hope you've got a sympathetic GP and some meds to help, and some ketostix for the dehydrated times.

mrsnec Fri 02-May-14 18:52:06

Thanks everyone. I do think dh is projecting his anxiety on me. He and his family took my mc very badly. I sometimes wonder if I got pg again too quickly as none of us are really over it. I was bad in that pregnancy too and very ill before that so basically I've not been firing on all cylinders for a very long time! It's not just him that doesn't understand. Can you believe that friend of mine is still going on about me not going to that party? She knows why and hasn't even asked how I am.

It doesn't surprise me about terminations due to Hg. I had a termination at 22. I felt like this then as well but Hg was unheard of. I'm not saying that was the reason I terminated but it certainly helped me realise I made the right decision at the time. Living that's a tough one. I suppose I just think that feeling the way we do we should get everything our way and the menfolk never think of things logically. Hope your plan works and you enjoy your macdonalds!

George we have spoken before on here about animals. There are some very sympathetic pets amongst us! Although my cat has calmed down a bit since I'm getting so restless at night she's taken to sleeping on the laptop instead!

Punk,kali and meerka you are all very brave!

mrsnec Fri 02-May-14 18:55:24

Cross post there, petit that sounds like a nightmare with your mil, yes id definitely be putting my foot down over that one!

petitlapin1 Fri 02-May-14 19:12:14

Should have said MiL doesn't want to cone and see me, she wants to see her Grandson. (Phone calls starting with "and how's my grandson" really annoy me!)

livingzuid Fri 02-May-14 19:16:45

I have already said to DH no visits in hospital and no one sees our girl till I am ready. I don't care if that's two weeks or two months and I really couldn't give a toss about how others react to it. I just don't know how I am going to feel - just want to get this hg gone and the birth out of the way!

Also when they come to visit they are going in a hotel or b&b. The same would go for my parents so in my head I am being fair grin I can't bear the thought of someone in my space, particularly with my bipolar.

Fortunately here in hospital the mother's wishes rule. They already know to not admit anyone but DH (who is supportive of that hospital bit at least). petit can you instruct the ward staff to not let visitors in? How exciting thought that it is nearly OVER!

I should have gotten chips too punk I may have to go out for another McD's run now, your choice was inspired! blush

mrsnec and boo I think I am probably rather selfish sounding - but as my parents are so hands off I'm quite taken aback by all the gushing and overexcitment of a newborn. There is no way I will allow anything more than I am comfortable with (which right now is not seeing anyone hehe)- and who knows how we will feel after the arrival. Although boo and punk I wondered if it was easier with this being your second? I was vastly unamused at being told I 'never go round any more' - oh sorry I was too busy trying to control my nausea and desperate for sleep to sit around making small talk!

mrsnec I think it is difficult to find the balance but your DH needs to back you up or say something. I personally find the whole thing suffocating.

Also my DH is an only child and my psychologist reckons that my MiL wanted a girl too and sees this as her opportunity to have what she didn't get first time round if that makes sense. With my bipolar I am really very protective of my space and find the whole thing very overwhelming and stressful. I'm not sure DH appreciates how much so.

I think you all are handling the grandparent stuff much better than me grin

And khali and all the others on subsequent babies.... huge respect. DH just said earlier never again!

starrynight123 Fri 02-May-14 19:34:56

meerka amazing!!! CONGRATULATIONS!!! Must feel so wonderful to have your lovely baby and to not feel sick any more!!!! Wishing you a speedy recovery and all the very best to you both!!!!

starrynight123 Fri 02-May-14 19:39:41

George I fully empathise with you, especially with the loneliness... I feel that often and sometimes just want to scream with how incredibly lonely and isolated I feel - and that's despite seeing either my mother or dh every evening after they finish work. If I didn't have this thread, I think I'd have lost my mind a long time ago.

If it helps, perhaps get in touch with the Pregnancy Sickness Support group because I spoke with their volunteer co-ordinator just a couple of days ago and she is setting me up with one of their volunteers so I have someone to email or speak with. I can't wait. Hopefully it will be in just a few days time.

mrsb I make baby blankets and other accessories in my spare time as a hobby/business. I find that maintaining a blog and a facebook page is helpful because people like that personal touch, especially when it involves something craft-based. It's also nice for potential commissioners/buyers to see other peoples comments and commissions on facebook, and I have found that that has helped me get more work. What sort of fabrics/market are you thinking of focusing on? I wonder whether interior designers might be interested in sourcing fabrics etc from you?

PunkStar Fri 02-May-14 19:43:17

Living and Petit I completely understand the whole space thing. I have felt as though my personal space and private life are non existent since HG. Mostly because I've been so ill we've had varying family members staying to help or I staying at my dad's. Everyone knows everything. It does drive me insane. I hate being asked what I've fecking had to eat. I've had what I can manage. Don't ask me all day!

However, I am completely fine with afterwards, have even invited in laws to stay (to look after little boy while I go in for CS) I don't mind visitors in hospital either. This is only because it is the second though and I know what to expect. No way would anyone have stayed with us first time around (except my own Ma had she been well enough)
I think it's very important if you need space after the birth that you get it, you may not need it but the choice is important. It's just such an overwhelming time. I didn't really think about who would visit or how I'd feel...
I had a catheter in, feeling a little whoozy, still unable to get out of bed six hours post CS and I had six visitors, one of them being my 18 year old niece's boyfriend! WTF!!!
I say make it clear, if you don't want any visitors then that is completely your choice. You are the boss :-)

Meerka Fri 02-May-14 19:55:38

thank you so much .... I wasnt at all brave at the end. Couldnt face 1 1/2 hours at 8cm with the contractons going nowhere and then almost fading out .. I didnt know the bloody things could do that. But the baby is healthy and well and we are so, so happy it's all over. The HG is taking a while to fade this time but I can drink tapwater already and english tea tastes normal again. And friends brought sushi round smile

Goodnight to everyone and I hope it is a endurable and restful night

will post pics when i can, may take a day or two.

Booboostoo Fri 02-May-14 20:10:28

living my relatives went completely bonkers when DD was born. Actually more than bonkers. I had visits all day long. One day they started at 9am and kept going so that when we said to FIL that he could not bring his GF's sister, whom we had never even met prior to the birth, to the hospital at 9pm, FIL still got really upset. And it doesn't stop there; my uncle noticed DD was jaundiced on day 2 which can be a sign of some rare problems and pulled his connections at the hospital (retired OBGYN) to get extra tests done on her without telling either DP or me! Greek families, who'd have them!

starrynight123 Fri 02-May-14 20:44:46

meerka you sound brave to me. I'm so glad you are healing and able to start doing the simple things like drinking tapwater and tea again - isn't it extraordinary how important and meaningful such simple pleasure are? Makes one very grateful for all of them. I truly wish you a very, very healthy and speedy recovery back to 'normal' post-hg life. You've given me hope that I'll be able to get through this too, and that means a lot to me because I feel so helpless and sad, so thank you. xxxxx

starrynight123 Fri 02-May-14 20:57:32

Lucinda hehe, dh thankfully didn't do himself an injury(!) So funny though!!!

kalidasa Fri 02-May-14 21:40:15

Take it gently meerka. I asked too much of myself in the first few weeks after DS was born and ended up back in hospital when DS was about six weeks old. I think when you've been so ill for so long it's so amazing to feel more normal that it's easy to underestimate how depleted you are, both physically and psychologically. In retrospect I should have asked for more help. I'm really glad that if we do have another fairly soon I'll have our nanny to help after the baby is born.

Oklahoma Sat 03-May-14 09:39:50

My brother is coming over the help DH cut the hedge with one of those chainsaw like hedge cutters. Just looking up our closest A&E...

How do you say no to family wanting to come visit? What if they just show up at the hospital!? I'm worried MIL is just going to be there whatever I say.

mrsnec Sat 03-May-14 10:23:20

Morning all,
Thinking about it all now with the Greek families thing Boo I think I'm more worried about other people's visitors than mine!

Meerka do let us know how you're getting on. I agree with Kalidasa.

Oaklahoma, those types of power tools are very scary! Rather them than me! My dh's friend arrived and they've just gone out. Hopefully they'll stay out of trouble!

Tallyra Sat 03-May-14 11:06:33

Congratulations Meerka!!! Sending you gentle hugs and your favourite item of food. Willem is a very lucky little boy having such a dedicated mummy. xxxxx thanks thanks thanks thanks thanks

Popalina Sat 03-May-14 11:15:39

Fantastic news Meerka! Well done! Xxxxx

starrynight123 Sat 03-May-14 11:55:09

I've just put this on another thread, but think it's probably better here - does anyone else feel completely overwhelmed and anxious/panicky at being pregnant (25wks for me) and feel like they need a break from it, just for a while?? I've been feeling like that since yesterday and am still jittery. I love my little girl so much and feel so guilty for feeling like this. I just want a break from feeling so completely crap, sick and all the other awfulness related to this hyperemesis horridness. I wish I could hand the pregnancy over to my dh for a little while at least, or share it with him more, so I had a little time to myself to feel vaguely myself again :-( It feels claustrophobic. I'm not sure how else to describe it.

livingzuid Sat 03-May-14 12:13:26

starry I'm so fed up and exhausted and grumpy today and feeling completely out of sorts. My food is so limited again and I was so nauseous this morning I couldn't get up (and was awake at 5.30!). Does it never end? I could have written your post. Will try and reply properly when I get to my laptop but yes to all of what you've said.

I know every pregnancy is different and we all have our crosses to bear but hg just makes it so much more rubbish than it could otherwise be.

Have you got a nice book to read or can you curl up to watch TV or do something nice for yourself?

livingzuid Sat 03-May-14 12:14:21

And I physically get claustrophobic too do you? I actually have to sleep on the sofa now as bed just seems to swamp me and I can't be too near dh.

starrynight123 Sat 03-May-14 12:20:24

living yes!! That's exactly it - all of what you said and the feeling physically claustrophobic too. I spend so much of my time in my 'safe' place - my bed - and also the living room, that I just feel like screaming from frustration at feeling so trapped and awful. I've got to the point where going out is so difficult because I feel so anxious and sick.

I've got to go back to my studio flat tomorrow for a few weeks and I can barely cope with the thought of it. I've got to go because I've got appointments with my consultant and midwife next week. I'm terrified at the thought of even going to the appointments :-( I know I need help with what's happening, but the hospital still hasn't got back to me with an appointment to see a mental health specialist, but just said they have received my referral. My midwife sent the referral letter at my check-in appointment months ago!!


livingzuid Sat 03-May-14 12:46:22

Hmmm have you tried going back to your GP to get them to push the referral through? Or could you have a talk with them on the phone to explain? That doesn't sound right to have waited for so long. Otherwise tell all to the consultant and midwife next week and ensure you don't leave until you get a result re the perinatal team! Is your DH going with you? Mine is very good at badgering when we don't get quite the answer we want.

Also the other route could be your community mental health team who do self referrals but I guess you are part of that already? I'm slowly finding out all the differences in systems and I know the one in the area I am moving to I can call at any time.

I know the fear. Hopefully it will be a lovely beautiful day and you and your DH can enjoy a nice walk to and from hospital in the sun which will make you feel better. And remember how nice it was when you got to do the scan last time smile will you get to have another looksie at your baby? And when it's over you can relax again smile

Can you stay with your mum a while longer or not possible? Are you going to move somewhere larger after the baby? Again, here I so know what you mean. I'm fed up of these four walls in this tiny apartment and nothing seems to be resolved here. All I can think of is the expense of moving and whether it will be frying pan to fire. But then I try and take a step back and break it into bite size chunks. It makes it all more manageable. I also made a list - I like lists grin

I really sympathise on the whole wanting to have a few days off from it all. Wasn't it meerka who said the same thing? Don't worry about feeling guilty. There's a BIG difference between hating the pregnancy process and hating the baby! I don't think any of us are resentful of the child, but we could all do without being sick/lumbering around/not eating properly/stretch marks/hormones/exhausted/anxiety/stress....I could go on and on.


livingzuid Sat 03-May-14 12:47:17

Apologies missed the bit about needing to go back for appointments. I can't even read any more sad

livingzuid Sat 03-May-14 12:52:33

oklahoma I am sure you can say who you want there or not at the hospital. I remember going to visit one friend and it was ridiculous, like Piccadilly Circus and people bringing food and all kinds of crap (big Serbian family this time not Greek grin).

I don't know how they can police visitors on a ward (and I have my own room) but I've read they can. Certainly for the delivery they can, I mean there are are some awful stories there of people descending before the poor woman has even left the birthing area.

Perhaps something to discuss with your DH and send an email or text? Also don't tell people when you are in labour! Just announce the birth after the event and when you are ready to see people. There's all kinds of convenient excuses such as 'emergency', 'fast labour no time to respond' etc.

LucindaE Sat 03-May-14 12:59:10

mrsnec I know what you mean - I do think people need time to mourn an mc. I didn't think I'd conceive again so quickly espeailly after hearing all this nonsense about how infertile woman in their mid thirties are supposed to be, so I found the same when I did. I think a little bit of the sadness of mc's is always with you, but a baby makes up for it ninety-eight per cent.
petitlapin That sounds so annoying - as if you are a walking container. I know one feels like one, but...
Starry and Livingzuid I so feel for you about the feeling hemmed in and wanting a break from suffering thing. It's so hard, but Meerka got there in the end, and so will everybody.
George and Everyone How are things? Apologies to anyone rudely overlooked.

livingzuid Sat 03-May-14 13:00:04

Apologies, also forgot to say thank you for advice on in laws smile Still feeling very angry about the whole thing which I think I would pg hormones/tiredness or not. DH apologised yesterday r as I said I felt very under-supported. We agreed to discuss it a bit more when I feel a bit sunnier. Which certainly isn't today!

I'm in a really down and anxious mood today so going to go and try to feel the baby move. Every time I think it's ok and she wiggles around I then get paranoid again about not feeling anything. I'm not letting the poor thing have any sleep! starry I'm going to go blerghhh about all my concerns on Friday too!

Georgebythesea Sat 03-May-14 13:23:53

Starrynight123 and livingzuid(not sure how to make your names black) I completely relate to what you are saying re the claustrophobia.It's awful and feels never ending.Today my SO is off work today though and it's sunny here in Brighton so we are going to attempt a little walk in the sunshine which always makes me feel a bit better when I can manage it so I'm looking forward to that.But when they aren't here all week it's much harder to cope(Still very hard when they here but less lonely).Well done everyone who's getting through this! You are all strong and amazing!

mrsnec Sat 03-May-14 13:57:52

A friend of mine told me that they think a previous mc can take the joy out of pregnancy. I think hg does too. I find myself angry for not being able to enjoy it or celebrate. It. We've still not told all our family and I'm reluctant to do the big fb Announcement. Thankfully I don't suffer from the claustrophobia you have mentioned, yet, I can't imagine what its like but from the way it's described it's horrendous. I totally get the idea about taking time off though it would be great to swap to make other people understand.

Living I still feel you and everyone else have the right approach re the inlaws I'm glad your dh has agreed to discuss it when you feel brighter.

George that sounds lovely. My dh and his friend have gone to the beach without me. They've taken my car too I hope he's nice to me when he comes home. Did say he'd take me out for dinner tomorrow night which would normally make me happy but just stressed me out more!

PunkStar Sat 03-May-14 13:58:00

I have felt all of the things you describe. I am coping much better than I have in the past but I think that's because it's getting near to the end. In my first pregnancy I was definitely depressed and overwhelmed by the whole thing. I really think this was due to the HG, it made me question why I was even pregnant and then I stressed that I wouldn't love my baby because I hated being pregnant so much. I frequently just want to escape my own body and I do describe it as being claustrophobic.

I managed to have a walk out today. I even ate out!!! ( just some soup but a success :-)
I'm now having a lie down to compensate.

I just hate being pregnant. There is nothing positive to say about the experience other than that I've survived it.

In my first pregnancy I felt frightened to say that because everyone had always given me the impression that they loved being pregnant. However they're all coming out now and admitting some hatred along the way. Perhaps not to my extent but it made me feel a little more normal.
We are not alone x

Oklahoma Sat 03-May-14 14:10:45

Being pregnant sucks. I really hope it's worth it cause currently I'm not sure anything is worth suffering through this. I feel like a terrible person for saying the but I can't help it.

George to make things bold you put a * before and after the word. If you scroll right to the bottom of the screen it shows you all the various options too.

Georgebythesea Sat 03-May-14 14:26:03

Oklahoma I've felt like that too,not being sure if it can be worth it even though I desperately wanted to be pregnant beforehand(and it took a while) I find myself unable to connect with that person I was and wondering why I wanted this/even wondering why I didn't adopt or something.But on better days I remember why and hearing everyone who has been through it say how worth it it is makes me feel better.It's not that I don't want the baby far from it,it's just the pregnancy is so horrible so far

starrynight123 Sat 03-May-14 15:05:35

I'm so glad that it isn't just me who feels like this. It feels so confusing and stressful at times because I know I love my little girl and can't wait to meet her, but at the same time I absolutely hate what I'm going through and am desperate for it to end. Ugh. But as Lucinda said, it will end. Just the waiting bit.

living that's a really good point about what else to say and find our when I go and see the consultant. Poor man is going to be bombarded!! I think the difficulty is that I spend most of my time at my mother's place which is outside of London, but our place is in London, so it would be tough to attend regular appointments in London as it takes around 2-2.5hrs to drive down. I've got to go tomorrow and am utterly dreading it.

Sadly it's not a scan appointment; well next see our daughter in June when our next scan is due. Thankfully my dh attends my appointments with me because it's a c.2mile walk there through very busy central London. I get very anxious and panicky with all the people around and don't know if I could manage it myself, especially with the waiting in the hospital and epic walk back again. We try and walk through some squares, so at least see some nature.

George well done on getting out today :-)

Lottiedoubtie Sat 03-May-14 15:14:47

2 mile walk each way!? faints Blimey, well done! It's 500 yards from my front door to work and I've been driving... Walking makes me guaranteed to vom, well done you!

I echo what everyone is saying about the wretched feeling of pregnancy, I can't wait for it to be over. 'Enjoying' it just sounds like total bollocks told to women to silence other women to me.

That said I am feeling better than I was, I've started driving longer distances again and managing to do things both at work and at home ( albeit with rests and breaks aplenty).

I'm 21 weeks now, and fingers crossed it looks like I might be one of the lucky ones who gets some relief after 20 weeks. Still on the pills, and feeling sick most of the time but it's been manageable for most of the week. Dreading a relapse though sad

starrynight123 Sat 03-May-14 15:18:27

punk I understand what you say about the depression and feeling overwhelmed by it all - I'm the same. It really does feel as though I'm clinging on to my sanity and that it is something I'm trying to survive desperately. Even knowing it is going to end doesn't always help because I've got 3months left (due 2nd august) and it seems like such a very long way off.

oaklahoma and punk so true - it does feel guilty to hate ones pregnancy, especially when you see pregnant women running around glowing with health and vitality gushing about just how much they love being pregnant and that's it's the best thing ever. Good for them, but don't ram it down my throat - and I include the media in that too. Nowadays we are supposed to go running, go to work and run around on holidays and stuff all while being pregnant - I feel as if a miracle has happened if I can get downstairs and sit in the livingroom for a while (with a sick bag by my side)!!!!

living we are giving up our mousehole, I mean studio flat, in July shortly before the baby is due and moving in with my mother for the next year or so. It's a lot bigger (impossible to be smaller than our flat!!) and quieter. It will mean an epic commute for dh and when I finish mymaternity leave, but it's worth it. Dh and brother in law are moving most of our stuff out of our flat today!

starrynight123 Sat 03-May-14 15:23:04

lottie I once had two back to back appointments and had to walk there and back twice in two days. 8 miles in two days almost killed me and I was so exhausted and sick afterwards. Horrid!! But I couldn't get in a taxi :-( Dh kept trying to persuade me to get in a cab, but I preferred to walk(!)

So hope you are one of the lucky ones!! I'm
Amazed at what you've been doing with going to work and all - well done!

livingzuid Sat 03-May-14 15:40:21

The loneliness and isolation don't help with hg either. I'm so fed up of doing nothing but waiting for DH to get home. It's like HG has taken my worst bipolar traits and quadrupled them, like panic in crowds and anxiety in dealing with people and coping mechanisms falling by the wayside. The depression is definitely there as a result of this sickness.

starry there are some wonderful people out there - namely lovely friends - but I have realised so many insensitive people, particularly on the family side who just don't want to understand. My mum is like mrsnec's husband in the denial that one could feel quite so f***ing shit from pregnancy. It's really quite hurtful and doesn't help to the wretched feeling.

But great news on the move with your mum, the commute will be worth it! How lovely for you.

So glad I have a dog to keep me company! Funnily enough walking is a bit of a lifesaver. Oooh george wonderful Brighton! I lived there for a bit and it was amazing. I would love to live there again one day but it would mean working in London again and I've sworn off that grin

Just walking around for 20 mins or so helps loosen my hips and legs up but if I do more then doh. I think I'm still recovering from my mum's visit where we walked a lot. Sorry to moan on, I am not myself today. The baby is moving away by the way. I had a snooze and kept waking up because she was nudging me. The dog crawled under the duvet and cuddled the bump whilst she was doing that, it was so cute. It's the small things that make this bearable.

lottie I found my second trimester a dream in comparison to the first, and last. I've found the hg getting worse and worse again over the last two weeks, but nausea now not vomiting (is that a blessing or not? think punk finds the nausea worse and tbh I'd rather just puke and be done with it). And so sad at food aversions again. DH is rushing back from work with something for me to eat. Back to rice and not much else, sigh. Although, punk soup, I might give that a go! Victory dance for getting out for a bit!

starrynight123 Sat 03-May-14 18:33:59

living I fully empathise; I have a pre-existing anxiety disorder that I've been battling for years, with and sometimes without medication and therapy, and things were getting a lot better over the last couple of years. But since becoming pregnant, I have also found myself falling into bad habits. Avoiding going outside, getting really panicky when people come over, becoming more depressed because of the increasing and constant loneliness and isolation. I also spend the day waiting for my mum to come home in the evenings and dh at weekends when he visits. It's so frustrating too because I'm usually such a content ant sociable person but this person I am now is someone I only recognise from my worst periods of horrendous panic and anxiety. It's so scary finding myself back in that mental hell and although I know it will not last forever, it really does feel as though it will.

Ah, having a dog sounds lovely! It must be nice to have dome company during the day. Walking is (was) something I found therapeutic, as a way of getting rid of excess energy and any jitteriness/anxiety. I feel lost without it.

Meerka Sat 03-May-14 19:45:37

Completely agree about HG making life incredibly claustrophobic. YOu can't go out, you can't travel far, you can't see people, you can't get out of bed in the early months .. you can't do this, you can't eat ... you can't drink, ... you can't go near the kitchen .. you can't ... you can't, you can't, you can't ... it is a stifling nightmare. Life, and the walls, close in.

About hating being preg .... actually hating .. and being afraid that it will be impossible to bond with the baby ... All I can say is that I felt the same way. I'm afraid that it did take time with our first son partly because even though I was no longer sick (omg, how wonderful that was) I was still very weak and that slowed the bonding even though it's very deep now. This time, despite the frightening wobble ten days ago, the bond's snapped into place straight away. I do believe that it does with everyone, even if it takes a bit of time. But I do know that taking Kalidasa's advice about taking it gently is very, very wise =)

LucindaE Sat 03-May-14 20:49:02

Meerka Lovely to hear from you. Gentle hugs and pats as you must still be very delicate. Very wise words from you and Kalidasa. I was ill after birth and too weak to bond proprely, but I remebered advice in a baby book 'If you act as if you love the baby, that love is sure to come.' It did.
It will for everyone.

petitlapin1 Sat 03-May-14 22:47:46

Thank you for the reassurance ladfies, this last week or so I've been starting to really worry about loving and bonding with the baby.

Oklahoma Sun 04-May-14 12:20:54

Family BBQ at my parents today. We were due at 11h but still haven't quite mustered the courage to leave the house. 22 relatives... I can't cope!!

Lottiedoubtie Sun 04-May-14 12:25:31

If it will make you feel worse dont go!

Is there a room (with nearby bathroom) at your mums that you can retreat to if you do go?

I've had a lazy morning in bed despite being awake early (again) I hope the rest is good for me, but actually I just feel more sick. sad

Going to try some fresh air this afternoon and see if that helps!

Oklahoma Sun 04-May-14 12:31:50

Yeh I can retreat to 'my' room if necessary. It's beautifully sunny here though so I may retreat to the hammock with the dog at some stage. I like all my relatives I'm just worried it will be a bit overwhelming.

A lazy morning sounds lovely. Hopefully the weather is good where you are too so you can get some sunshine with your fresh air.

Lottiedoubtie Sun 04-May-14 12:47:29

Yes sun is shining so there is hope!

I know what you mean about the overwhelming thing, on my first day back at work we started with coffee and then a full staff meeting, so I went from 3 months almost total isolation, to a room ful of 80 people asking how I am/offering congratulations on the pregnancy amongst the stench of coffee (which I hate at the best of times), in that first 15 mins I thought I'd made a terrible mistake and needed my bed... It did get better though I promise!

Georgebythesea Sun 04-May-14 17:11:18

Yes sunny here too..been sitting in the garden smile Do other people have this horrible bad taste/constant excess saliva/having to spit thing..am having to carry tissues around with me and go through loads..it's pretty grim!

LucindaE Sun 04-May-14 17:31:58

George That saliva thing is so horrible. I remember carrying a pot about, I think that unfortunately is common.
Lottie That was brave of you - it sounds a horrific first day back.
Okla Twenty two relatives - oh dear!
petitlapin I'm sure you don't need to worry about that. Just give it time.
Rather muggy and overcast here in mid Wales.
Hope Eveyone is OK.

Booboostoo Sun 04-May-14 18:17:19

I hated my first pregnancy, nausea, extreme tiredness, endless hours of sleeping but with constant nightmares/stress dreams and by the end I could hardly move I felt so huge and bloated. However when the baby came it was an immediate and impressive relief. I felt younger, energetic, athletic and much more capable to deal with life (as it turned out this was a good thing because DD did not sleep for two years!). I keep holding on to that feeling this time round!

Meerka Sun 04-May-14 19:04:45

george that awful saliva thing is one of the classic signs of HG, though not everyone gets it (do you get that terrible taste in the mouth too?) actually spitting tends to increase the production of it though :s but lucinda suggested sucking a barley sugar or some other sweet and it does help

boo ... Yeah. This time it's taking a bit of time for the tastes to return to normal and sometimes I get a few other signs of the HG but ... Yes. Life is beginning again. Selfishly, it's not only that we finally have a lovley little boy but also that I myself am just beginnig to feel well again. Can't say what a difference to life that makes.

<waves to everyone>

Meerka Sun 04-May-14 19:12:48

I think we have two pics of willem now up under my name, though tbh I am not quite sure how you reach them

Lottiedoubtie Sun 04-May-14 19:20:02

Meerka, I think you need to set your profile to public for us to see them.

Meerka Sun 04-May-14 19:22:55

does that work?

livingzuid Sun 04-May-14 19:30:41

george I can drool for England and I definitely get the horrible taste with almost everything I eat. Particularly sweet stuff. I rebelled and had a Magnum Classic today, why did I do that! Tasted wonderful but I regretted it afterwards grin

meerka so pleased things are improving for you. It's been such a rough ride for you particularly and you've got all summer long to enjoy feeling awesome and playing with Willem. Dutch boys names are awesome. Having a fight with DH to get a Dutch girl's middle name, not sure I'm going to win that one! Will try and have a look at the pics soon.

oklahoma how did the 22 relative visit go? You're a braver lady than I am, I'd have had a meltdown and refused to go at the thought.

lucinda thank you as ever for the moral support. It means so much.

Better here today although feeling very nauseous this evening and icky heartburn. Sorry for ranting yesterday. DH took me for soupy noodles yesterday afternoon (which are still on the safe food list yay) and I burst into tears in the middle of the restaurant blush but we talked and I felt better. He offered to take me to hospital to have the baby checked out and she then pummeled me on and off for the next few hours so no need smile

We talked about what had been stressing us out and what was upsetting us and the lack of sleep + hormones + hg was making me really out of whack with the anxiety and paranoia through the roof. We have decided to not talk too much about family stuff until the baby had arrived and we could look at things when I didn't have all of that charging around. And no visitors until I am ready.

I cried again today when I realised I have exactly one month to go till my due date. It feels like so far away but at least it's the final, final month.

As a result I have been pampered all day smile not had to do anything and have had two massages as my back and right hip feel like they are about to fall off. My new food are these Turkish bread roll things (white) with something called smeerkaas which is kind of like cheese in a tube ie massively processed. But surely better than McDonalds!

How is everyone?

Meerka Sun 04-May-14 19:41:36

oh living im so glad you got it talked out with your husband. Stress at home makes everythign worse, so pleased it's resolved well!

And will be thinking of you in this last month. Hold on, hold on =)

Lottiedoubtie Sun 04-May-14 20:36:57

Beautiful pictures Meerka, he looks amazing! I'm so jealous! still haven't quite made the connection that there's one of them in me

livingzuid Sun 04-May-14 21:17:24

meerka he's such a cutie and big looking - the hg didn't seem to have much of an impact on him at least! Congratulations once again smile

Popalina Sun 04-May-14 21:30:07

Lovely Meerka!!

How much did he weigh?

Oklahoma Mon 05-May-14 09:00:55

Family BBQ was really nice. I sat myself outside with the dog and my brother ran interference so I didn't get mobbed. I passed out on the sofa at 20h30, DH carried me to bed and I feel like absolute hell today. Hey ho. Self inflicted so I can't complain.

Lottie I totally agree. My brain hasn't yet computed that there is a baby inside me. Which is probably a good thing at the moment...

LucindaE Mon 05-May-14 10:24:09

Meerka What a lovely baby - so sweet in his carrier. Such a nice conclusion to all your torments. grin
Livngzuid Sorry that this last bit of the marathon seems so endless. No wonder you cried.
I'll do another due dates list soon,and I suppose you, Punkstar and Petiteapin must be nearest the top?
Popalina Lovely to hear from you.
Okla I'm glad you enjoyed the BBQ.
George Does the sea air help matters?
Hope Everyone is reasonaby OK today.

LucindaE Mon 05-May-14 10:25:31

Okla Sorry, missed that bit about passing out - not the circumstances in which you wish to be carried to bed. Hope you feel better.

Meerka Mon 05-May-14 10:48:52

glad it was mostly good okla, so nice to do something normal! hope you feel better soon smile

Willem was 3kilos 875g, 8 1/2 lb. He's not doing too badly on the sleep stakes. the medical system has its, ah, hiccups here but the 'kraamhulp' here is amazing - a lady who comes for 8 days to every new mother to help with the baby, teach breastfeeding, show you how to bath the baby, do basic cleaning, washing and ironing ... it helps SO SO much!

livingzuid Mon 05-May-14 11:33:49

Wow meerka that sounds pretty big to me! Still trying to see if I qualify for kramzorg given I am in hospital for a week. I would be home in 24 hours if I had the option. We think so as the baby and I have no choice but to stay so fingers crossed. One of the upsides to the system here! Good that he's a sleeper, that must help you regain your strength.

okla it's always the way isn't it. A day of fun is then punished the following day sigh. Still, isn't it a bank holiday there? Is your dh with you today?

Oklahoma Mon 05-May-14 11:44:28

Yeh. He's ripping out wardrobes in the spare room and I have taken myself back to bed.

Popalina Mon 05-May-14 11:48:45

That sounds fantastic Meerka. I am sure we would have had a successful breastfeeding start if we weren't tipped out on the same day as I gave birth!

LePamplemousse Mon 05-May-14 13:41:43

Thanks so much for all your advice on the pack of goodies for my friend -- and sorry for my delayed reply. In the end I did get some bland food and drink in the hope that she could save it for later in the pregnancy if she can't eat it! I included a bunch of flowers that didn't smell too strong as well and a card smile Thanks for your help.

espa Mon 05-May-14 14:20:54

Hi. Can I join? 6+5 today and been feeling nauseous for just over a week, and I think being sick since 6 weeks. It's gradually got worse, had been nauseous all day but only sick when I first got up, until yesterday when I was sick a few times and was struggling to force myself to eat. Now today I've had a tiny bowl of cereal and have been sick 5 or so times. A sip of water tends to come straight back up.

I have first midwife appt on Wednesday, will she be able to help or should I go to gp? I don't think I'm at HG levels but I'm really going to struggle at work this week. To make matters worse I have a 12 hour flight as we're going on holiday next week and I'm getting really stressed about the thought of that. Hoping you ladies might have done words of wisdom for me.

Georgebythesea Mon 05-May-14 14:31:44

Meerka aw he is sooo cute!

Oklahoma well done on the BBQ-I'm impressed! But yes I find if I do too much one day I'm exhausted the next.

LucindaE fresh air helps but the sea is half an hours walk away which is a bit too far for me at the mo..have managed it once with my SO but I haven't been out for a solo
venture for weeks..just feel too faint and worry I will pass out! Think that's v slowly improving so hoping not too long
as it gets very boring being stuck at home all day.SO at home today as bank holiday so will go for a walk in a bit smile

Glad to hear the bad taste/spitting is normal but haven't found a solution yet sad Was having sweets but now I have oral thrush in my mouth(prob cus of lack of nutrition) sad so cant eat lots of sugar..Just having to constantly spit! Fun
Im not able to eat vegetables or take my vitamins(both make me sick) so really worried I'm damaging the babies health but feel completely at a loss to what to do about it..everytime I try to eat healthily or take vits I throw up sad It's a bit worrying!

livingzuid Mon 05-May-14 14:51:10

george I tried veggies once and no way. The closest I have come to good food is gala melon for some reason. My baby is huuuge. They don't suffer, so don't worry about that. And on the vitamin front I just did folic acid in the first trimester. Small tablets and they stayed down. I think there are some other ladies on here who didn't take vitamins either as they were too hard to stay down.

espa welcome and comiserations on your sickness but congratulations on your pregnancy smile

If water is not staying down you may well have hg I'm afraid. The most important thing is to stay hydrated. So please visit your gp ASAP to see if there is something they can do. You can keep an eye on your hydration through the use of ketosticks from the chemist. If you are going on holiday I strongly recommend you get some medication from the doctor if you are going away so you can go on holiday. There are plenty of medicines that are safe to use in pregnancy so please don't worry about that.

pamplemousse hope your friend feels better soon smile

livingzuid Mon 05-May-14 14:52:39

Also would get signed off until your medicine kicks in. I was off for most of my first trimester and once my drugs worked I went back and it was easier.

Lottiedoubtie Mon 05-May-14 14:53:08

Welcome espa throwing up sips of water sounds bad, if that continues much longer you'll need A&E for fluids- dont panic that isn't as bad as it sounds, you'll get some meds and feel so much better when your rehydrated.

If you avoid A&E then yes, GP for anti-sickness meds, have a read of the links in the OP so you get an idea of what might be prescribed. In the meantime ((gentle hugs))

livingzuid Mon 05-May-14 14:54:46

God... Can't type - so you can have fun on your holiday! Not just get on the plane! I flew at week 7 and it was OK with lots of diet coke and salty snacks.

Oklahoma Mon 05-May-14 15:44:57

Espa I would get sedatives for the flight too. I was in the USA recently and that's the only thing that got me through the flights and jet lag.

espa Mon 05-May-14 18:43:12

Thanks all. Have just been pretty violently sick for 5 mins luckily just as DH came in from a run so he's seen how bad I am. Definitely dehydrated as my lips are so cracked.

Although clearly in a sympathetic kind of way my cat has just been sick on the bathroom floor next to me....oh dear.

LucindaE Mon 05-May-14 18:49:03

espa I so agree with others, I can't improve on what's been said -do get an emergency appointment, you may well be dehydrated already, and do get some kesostix from chemists, as others say, to check. Being unable to keep down water for more than 24 hours counts as an emergency for a pregnant woman. In the meanwhile, ice cubes or ice lollies or little sips of flat coke (for some reason the sugar often reduces the nausea) might help a tiny bit.
Waves to all.

espa Mon 05-May-14 19:01:09

Thanks Lucinda. Don't think I'll get a chance to go to pharmacy in the morning if I'm off work, there's nothing near where I live. Will phone doctor in the morning and see if I can get an appointment in first instance. Hubby making pasta for dinner so will try to eat something.

Booboostoo Mon 05-May-14 20:34:31

Hi espa and welcome. That does sound quite tough for you, I hope you can get some help tomorrow. I don't know what to say about the holiday, I have to admit I feel so awful when I am pregnant a holiday would be anything but! I do hope things improve for you though.

Meerka he's gorgeous! Lovely photos.

LucindaE Mon 05-May-14 21:27:49

Boobooso I so agree about the lovliness of Meerka's bundle of joy.
Esla Oh no, that cat's taking empathy too far! Do try and get an appointment asap. A nuisance about no chemists, but watch out for dry skin and chapped lips, headache and blurred vision.
Glances about anxiously...

mrsb87 Mon 05-May-14 22:38:59

meerka what a beautiful little bit bundle! You must be so proud/relieved!

mrsnec Tue 06-May-14 07:18:47

Morning everyone!

Hi Espa, welcome. Again I don't have anything to add to what everyone else has said. Hope that was only a one off event with the cat! Hope you get an appointment and get to the pharmacy let us know how you get on.

George I found that too with fruit and veg and I also find anything sugary helps my nausea and my diet is shocking at the moment! I was determined to eat fruit and veg. I found its a case of trial and error. Now I can eat tomato and cucumber if its in a sandwich, mushrooms and I snack on pears and plums but that's about it! I have been eating out loads over the past few days and mainly junk. I wasn't worried it was nice to be keeping food down but I had my first comment yesterday about how big i am! I actually took it as a compliment though but maybe I should be worried.yesterday I had a full English in town and a kebab for tea and I snacked on sweets and crisps!

Meerka gorgeous pictures! Hope you're both doing well.

Yes I agree Oaklahoma did well at the bbq. Dh's friend still here. I have been lucky to have a few days where I felt ok and no puking although the nausea is still here as are the food aversions. I managed a day at the beach on sunday and yesterday I went shopping as he wanted to buy presents for his dcs. Today he's at work with dh so I'm having a rest as I don't want to get complacent!

Sorry if I missed anything hope everyone is ok.

LucindaE Tue 06-May-14 11:25:45

mrsnec I'm glad about the better days - but what a pest having a guest imposed on you.
mrsb87 Morning, I hope feeling not too bad today.
I've scrolled through the old thread and finally found an outdated list of due dates - now Meerka has happily reached the famous Pink Caslte at the end of the Hyperemesis nightmare, Petitlapin tops the list. Lots of people need adding to it...

Due Dates

Petitlapin 20 May
Livingzuid 6 June
PunkStar 8 June
DiddyBeth 12 June
SliceofLime 2 August
IWorry 8 August
Starry 12 August
What 14 August
Booboostoo 14 September
mrsb87 2 October
Pickofthepops 7 October

Outdated as it is, it shows there is an end in view!


LucindaE Tue 06-May-14 11:27:23

Esla I hope you've got that emergency appointment? if not and the vomiting is still going on, I'm sorry to say you probably need to go to A and E for redydration.

LucindaE Tue 06-May-14 11:29:00

EspaI keep calling you Esla - I think that's because my daughter's third name is Elsa lol!

Georgebythesea Tue 06-May-14 11:39:40

Espa really hope you get some meds so you can enjoy your holiday!

LucindaE My due date is 4th Oct smile

Thanks Livingzuid and mrsnec I'm glad to know I'm not the only one struggling with veg and vitamins though still a worry.I wasn't worrying for ages but now I'm 18 weeks feel
I need to try but everytime I do it's not been so great!

Lottiedoubtie Tue 06-May-14 12:02:13

I've been bumped off the list! 12th September!

livingzuid Tue 06-May-14 12:07:11

mrsnec I don't know how you cope tbh. I can't imagine having someone else in my space right now! You're a more patient soul than me. Going to the beach sounds lovely.

I forgot about tomato. I went through a phase of tomato mozzarella and balsamic vinegar phase in the second trimester. Can't face it now though!

I just take a normal multivitamin now. I don't want to spend more money on pregnancy multivitamins. I think you can stop the folic acid/vitamins after the first trimester anyway?

lucinda a month exactly today! Still feels like forever sad I really can't move around much but am keeping positive and getting things together for my hospital bag. And starting to wash all the baby things. Dh is building me some drawers tonight to put it all in.

I feel like if I do that it helps make it a bit more as if there is an end. Proactive thinking grin even if all I have arranged so far is my reading material whilst in hospital!

On top of everything else I now have really bad hayfever. The antihistamines in my sick tablets are not the right type sadly.

mrsnec Tue 06-May-14 12:11:55

Espa hope you do get meds to enjoy your holiday.

Yes it's not the best timing for visitors. His parents are here too and staying in a very posh hotel nearby. Dh is having a day off tomorrow and taking them out and they go home tomorrow night so it's not so bad.

George I did have some bad experiences trying to eat more f and v. I was also struggling with fluid intake so thought fruit would help but apple and melon made me really sick and that surprised me it'll be a while before I can touch those again, but as well as the sickness I've had the other issue too so I'm having to eat fruit to help with the fibre intake. Although I went through a phase of only eating bran flakes and that helped! Re vitamins, I Now take the. Seven seas ones My bloods came back ok for everything I manage to keep them down too. My mum got them for me. She's convinced it's because they've got ginger in them lol!

Petit and living haven't got long to go then! My due date is 1st October.

mrsb87 Tue 06-May-14 12:23:20

Sorry for the lack of posting, work has been bit mental and by the time I get home I'm so tired I can barely talk to DH!
I'm managing some fruit and veg now in my second trimester. Raspberries and strawbs are tasty and seem to go down well, oranges are a no no strangely but seem to still enjoy orange juice. Just munched down a cous cous and ham salad and a banana. I'm pleased my diet seems to have improved in the last couple of weeks.
Still suffering with morning bile run but I can cope with that, I learned my lesson from trying to cut down my meds after 2 days off work....never again!!

espa Tue 06-May-14 12:54:06

Hi again. Yes, I have an appointment this afternoon, hopefully will get something. As you say I really want to enjoy my holiday (especially as it's cost a lot!) but also don't want to be missing work if I can help it. Phoned in today and just said I had sickness bug but if it goes on I'll have to tell them as I don't like lying.

Felt a bit better today, up and showered by 9 but had been sick twice by then and once after going to bed last night. Managed a teeny bit of cereal and just had last night's leftover pasta for lunch so hopefully that stays down. Still feeling v nauseous such that I think if I'd gone in to work is probably have had to come home.

Really hoping the doctor I see is good. He's male, but hopefully a sympathetic one!

LucindaE Tue 06-May-14 13:11:39

Lottie Aah sorry, this is quite outdated, I know you and Okla were on a more recent one, and I couldn't find it!

Petitlapin 20 May
Livingzuid 6 June
PunkStar 8 June
DiddyBeth 12 June
SliceofLime 2 August
IWorry 8 August
Starry 12 August
What 14 August
Lottie 12 September
Booboostoo 14 September
mrsb87 2 October
George by the Sea 6 October
Pickofthepops 7 October

It's very difficult to eat healthily with this, but you only need look at Meerka's little terror to see that the baby gets enough nourishment anyway.
Waves at all. livinzuid You will get there!
Espa Thank goodness you've got an appointment. The eating will bring the ketones down, so make sure you tell him you couldn't retain even water yesterday.
Mother hen goes off flapping.

Oklahoma Tue 06-May-14 13:11:53

Espa take it easy. You'll make yourself really sick if you push too hard. I was in denial about taking time off work for a long time but have been off for 8 weeks now.

My dad just brought some bird feed round. The highlight of my day at the moment is watching the birds playing in the garden so this has made me very happy. Small things...

Lucinda I've disappeared off too. I'm 28 October.

LucindaE Tue 06-May-14 16:36:28

Okla Sorry- lost you too, and others, I'm sure. Thickhead couldn't find the updated version.

Due Dates:

Petitlapin 20 May
Livingzuid 6 June
PunkStar 8 June
DiddyBeth 12 June
SliceofLime 2 August
IWorry 8 August
Starry 12 August
What 14 August
Lottie 12 September
Booboostoo 14 September
mrsb87 2 October
George by the Sea 6 October
Pickofthepops 7 October
Oklahoma 28 October

Booboostoo Tue 06-May-14 17:27:40

All I can say is I am so glad I am no longer bottom of this list! I've had enough of this pregnancy and can't wait to hit the top! I may have to strangle anyone who gives birth RIGHT before me (hide Lottie hide!).

mrsnec Tue 06-May-14 17:30:35

I'm next after you Boo,1st October

Oklahoma Tue 06-May-14 18:07:00

How am I still bottom!? I've been on here for like 2 months!!

Lottiedoubtie Tue 06-May-14 19:12:16

grin ducks

September still feels so long away doesn't it?

espa Tue 06-May-14 21:47:37

Thanks for all the support ladies.

Anyway managed to eat a little today, just had beans and mash for tea which seems to be pay. Went to doc and he was really nice, had given me a prescription for something to help the sickness and also offered to sign me of work so I didn't have to worry. I said I'm okay today so will wait and see. Hopeful tomorrow will be better. Prescription is just a week's worth but will likely go back before holiday to get more.

Although I did have a breakdown earlier when the pharmacy told me to come back in 15 mins, and I did, only to be told they didn't have my prescription. Raging, so raced off at 5.50 to find another only for it to be closed when I got there. Cue tears. Anyway, went out to Tesco extra as phoned them and they had it in stock.

Was feeling much better until about 20 mins ago but think it's mostly hunger so going to try some cereal.

elizabethsmum Tue 06-May-14 23:35:57

<skim reads a weeks worth of happenings that I have missed>

So sorry I have been neglectful of the thread lately! Huge congratulations on the arrival of the gorgeous willem meerka!! Well done you! Hope you are now feeling completely HG-free?!

Hi to all of those new to the thread- sorry you are suffering but on the upside this is a lovely supportive place to be where absolutely all of us understand what you are going through, past and current sufferers alike!

espa if you are struggling I would urge you to take the GP up on their offer to sign you off work. Unfortunately hg is worse before it gets better with a lot of us and one of the main things that you will need to do is rest, particularly as you have got a long haul flight to get through. Do also make sure that you get sufficient meds to see you through the holiday as I don't want to put a damper on things but the last thing you want is to end up severely dehydrated while you are away.

How is everyone else doing ? Glad that you are having a better time of it lottie, take each day as it comes but it sounds like you are doing really well! (She says trying not to jinx you!)

Waves to everyone

Meerka Wed 07-May-14 10:05:07

HI espa .. agreed that you need meds for holiday and please, do keep an eye on your dehydratoin levels and accept that ime off work. What elizabeth says ... it often gets worse before it gets better. If you're prepared for the worst and it doesnt happen, cool

<waves to everyone>

monkeymamma Wed 07-May-14 10:10:40

Hi again ladies! Congratulations meerka, I hope you're feeling well and early baby days are good.
I finally made my sicky way back to this thread after a couple of weeks away. Think that puts me at the bottom now okla! (Edd 9 dec which I assume will be a Christmas baby, we don't do 'on time' in my family!)
So I'm in very low dose meds which made a tiny difference (I think) for the first few days now I feel utterly utterly shit. Guess I'll have to go back and ask for more when I feel up to calling gp. I'm in all sorts of bother today after my work trip yesterday including shitty horrible migraine which is actually making me cry. My (wonderful, wonderful) mum has just taken ds off to playgroup so at least he'll have a fun time (poor thing just had to watch me vomming violently, the little darling was patting my back and saying 'gentle hands'. Not a great way for a two year old to spend the morning.)
Wishing you all the best day you can have in the circumstances :-s

livingzuid Wed 07-May-14 11:42:47

monkey was that the Japan trip? Or someone else? Sorry can't remember. Either way I couldn't move for days afterwards after doing short day trips for work. It really takes it out of you. Hope you have your feet up now and can get some rest. How sweet of your ds to try and make you feel better.

espa see if you can make use of the sick leave. Even if you are feeling better (yay) your body has taken a beating and you need to recuperate. I think all of us has thought 'oh goody' and then overdone it! So pleased you got a sympathetic gp, that's half the war won right there.

I was not well last night. Trying not to retch in bed and then had a terrible pain in my right hip that bloomed up my side and across my lower pelvis. Went on for ages. Hospital said to rest and not worry as it sounded like body stretching out getting ready. If that is a hint of what labour is like I am reconsidering my epidural position! It made the nausea 100000 times worse.

Of course this morning the pain had disappeared grin

Can I ask how it works with hg and labour? I'm sure it will tip my nausea to vomiting and just not sure how to deal with that plus trying to push. C section request?

I'm sure too my bump is lower and the baby has dropped racing punk to the finish line which I take as a good sign. I must say that the first two trimesters in retrospect flew past. It's the last one which has been groundhog day. So try to take heart ladies further on down the list, it will be done with soon smile

Today I am going to primark to get huge pants and nightgowns. Dh has left work early to come with me which is nice - as we mentioned before driving is becoming hard.

Waves at elizabeth meerka and everyone else.

livingzuid Wed 07-May-14 11:48:50

And this article was fun, particularly for me as a first timer. We've tried so hard to not buy loads of stuff but I guess you never know until the baby arrives do you!


livingzuid Wed 07-May-14 12:10:17

Japan doh. Different thread! Drat this baby brain.

Lottiedoubtie Wed 07-May-14 12:45:27


Started puking again last night sad

Today my boss wants me to take on loads of extra classes for him over the next few days as he's busy and I'm 'better' hmm

I've refused but I'm not popular...

monkeymamma Wed 07-May-14 14:03:42

Hi living! It was Liverpool rather than Japan, I love Japan but after seeing how well I coped with two three hour journeys yesterday I think I should skip any foreign travel for a bit. Ds is in bed now and I'm trying to nudge myself into washing up and calling back estate agent but the sofa is too damn comfy. lottie your boss sounds like an idiot. So glad you said no!

living in terms of labour I can't say for really extreme hg what will happen but I remember feeling terrified that I'd have a migraine on labour day when I was expecting ds and that it would make pushing etc impossible. I was fine though and labour was fine. Sometimes I think with labour it's best to go in expecting the best (but prepared for the worst!). Hopefully all your notes etc will be full of details of what you're going though with the hg so the midwives will be fully prepped to help out in any way they can. My dsil who also suffers terribly with sickness in pregnancy (must come from dh's side of the family!) said labour was just wonderful, absolutely the best thing ever, because she finally stopped feeling sick. In fact she felt bad that while everyone else was saying wow, a baby! The miracle of life etc all she could think was pheeeooouw, the miracle of not feeling sick for the first time in nearly 10months :-)

Oklahoma Wed 07-May-14 14:17:36

Oh Lottie you poor thing. Please don't overdo it!

LucindaE Wed 07-May-14 14:26:30

Petitlapin 20 May
Livingzuid 6 June
PunkStar 8 June
DiddyBeth 12 June
SliceofLime 2 August
IWorry 8 August
Starry 12 August
What 14 August
Lottie 12 September
Booboostoo 14 September
mrsnec 1 Oct
mrsb87 2 October
George by the Sea 6 October
Pickofthepops 7 October
Oklahoma 28 October

Okla re bottom of list - Oh no, someone said they were in December, and now I can't find it in messages! Sorry both!
Monkey Welcome back. What meds have they put you on? Looks like you need stronger. Don't worry too much - LO will forget all about it very soon, according to what I hear. He may 'play vomit' as a way of coping with it.
Lottie Talk about an insensitive boss. That you're back doesn't mean you're on top form. Annoying.
espa I can again only echo others - I hope you don't need the sick note and these meds help, don't hesitate to take time off if you do need it. Try and get kesostix, etc. What meds did he put you on?
livingzuid You poor thing, that sounds so horrible. It's awful if you suffer throughout, and if there are other healthy problems, what a nightmare, and bad neighbours, too.
Apologies to anyone rudely ignored.

kalidasa Wed 07-May-14 14:34:18

living I threw up quite a bit in labour but actually it was much better than pregnancy in that respect because I didn't feel sick/nauseous at all, every now and again I just suddenly thought "I'm going to be sick" and then I (almost immediately) was. The worst bit about HG for me is the constant acute nausea/sweaty panic 'am I going to throw up?'/flooding mouth bit but I didn't have any of that in labour at all.

Labour was my favourite bit of pregnancy! Bet there aren't many women who can say that.

elizabethsmum Wed 07-May-14 14:57:24

Oh dear lottie I feel somewhat responsible for your relapse!! would
like to say shock at your boss but IME once you are back at work everyone assumes you are ok (I learnt this through bitter exp in first preg with only 4weeks off sick- had 10 weeks off in second pg and went on mat leave at 28 weeks without a hint of guilt)! ((((Sending hugs))))

living I was sick once during first labour but I would say this was 'normal' sickness rather than hg. Not sick during twins labour (May have disgraced myself in another way but dh too horrified to give details!!) blush

Georgebythesea Wed 07-May-14 15:01:51

Petitlapin 20 May
Livingzuid 6 June
PunkStar 8 June
DiddyBeth 12 June
SliceofLime 2 August
IWorry 8 August
Starry 12 August
What 14 August
Lottie 12 September
Booboostoo 14 September
mrsnec 1 Oct
mrsb87 2 October
George by the Sea 4 October
Pickofthepops 7 October
Oklahoma 28 October

Mines actually 4th oct so I changed it,not meaning to be particular but every day counts ;)

Oklahoma Wed 07-May-14 16:22:58

Been working from home this afternoon and have just projectile vomited all over the bathroom floor. Think I may have tried to do to much. Time for a nap...

Meerka Wed 07-May-14 16:43:32

living I found the same as kalidasa. vomitted once or twice in delivery but somehow it seemed terribly minor.


hate to say it but that's becuase the bevalling is not overly pleasant. though at least it means the end of the preg and you do get something rather nice out of it.

Do consider that epidural, and if you go for it in the bevalling - ask for it early enough.

okla so sorry to hear about the projective vomitting sad

lottie well done for standing up to your boss and taking care of yourself!

HI monkey

ok now im curious elizabethsmum :D ... disgraced yoruself? :D

elizabethsmum Wed 07-May-14 17:40:06

Tmi alert .....DH (who is a nurse and should therefore not be shocked by anything bodily fluid wise)- said 'it was very messy down there!' When I asked him if I had poo'd he would neither confirm nor deny my worst fears!!!

Meerka Wed 07-May-14 18:31:16

<chuckles> i thought that was standard! at least so everyone reassured me ..... oh dear, I wonder if they were just being nice blush

Oklahoma Wed 07-May-14 18:50:10

<scarring the first time mother for life over here>

Meerka Wed 07-May-14 18:55:11

think of it this way okla

it's the end of the HG!!!!!

Oklahoma Wed 07-May-14 19:00:49

Yes - and that has to be worth pretty much anything!!

elizabethsmum Wed 07-May-14 19:12:59

Giving birth is nothing compared to hg honestly!!

Lottiedoubtie Wed 07-May-14 19:35:01

Thanks for the support everyone.

Feeling nauseous and down tonight. Might go to bed and try and sleep my troubles away.

Bosses one redeeming feature is he did quite nicely ask me how I was doing later on this afternoon, and seemed to listen when I told him still not great. He did comment that I 'look much better, just tired', which I suppose is true, he was pretty shocked the one time he saw me in the midst of a really bad time. He is really overwhelmed with everything he has to do and I do feel for him, but unfortunately not enough to be prepared to pick up all his slack, I just haven't got it in me at the moment.

mrsnec Wed 07-May-14 19:53:57

Hi everyone!

re the birth stories and messyness. First timer with a bit of anxiety about that bit too. Just trying not to think about it at the moment especially when looking at the dates reminded me I'm not even half way yet.

But yes Oaklahoma, Meerka is right I suppose!and kali's point about labour is interesting too and makes me feel a bit better about it!

Lottie, sorry to hear you're having a hard time. You can only do so much and it sounds like you are stretching yourself a lot anyway. Sorry and much sympathy to anyone else who's struggling at the moment. Relapse here too this morning, but it wasn't too bad.and I've had to entertain guests all day. They've gone now. Early night for me and a day off tomorrow. Sorry if I missed anyone.

starrynight123 Wed 07-May-14 20:01:19

Hello again everyone! I'm now in London again and have managed a couple of gentle walks outside with dh, including an epic 4mile round-trip to see my consultant yesterday. Utterly exhausted and had panic attack in waiting room (had to wait for 1hr) and cried. Thankfully consultant was really understanding, changed my medication (had been on metoclopramide for over 12wks) and added something to help my anxiety/panic attacks. He got one of his junior drs to chase-up my referral to the mental health dept and they should get in touch with me next week. Fingers crossed.

I asked about a caesarean and it was agreed immediately and they'll do it in wk39. I think I'll get a date in my next appointment with him in June.

I've got a midwife apt on Friday afternoon (3.20pm) and I'm already shaking and tearful with fear because it's a 4mile round trip alone because dh is starting his new job tomorrow and can't come :-( How do people manage to do this on their own? Any tips? Any advice? Help!

meerka your baby Willem is utterly gorgeous!!!!! Thank you so much for sharing those lovely pictures of him!!

Lottiedoubtie Wed 07-May-14 20:19:13

Starry, can you get a taxi? 4 miles seems impossible with this, there must be a better way?

Booboostoo Wed 07-May-14 20:33:35

he he elizabethsmum! Pregnancy and birth are one long embarassment! We have 6 builders working here just outside the kitchen window. I was in the kitchen the other day sneezing like crazy...and holding onto my crutch (in a vain attempt to stop the wee from coming out)...when my boob popped out of my too small top! The fun the builders had!

Georgebythesea Wed 07-May-14 20:45:01

Starry I'd definatly recommend getting a taxi.I've had to get taxis to every doctors/hospital appointment because I don't drive and buses are just not possible when feeling ill..

livingzuid Wed 07-May-14 21:31:02

starry I know the taxi and car thing is an issue. Is it at all possible to make a playlist of your favourite music to listen to whilst you walk? And see if there is somewhere to stop on the way there and back for a break - anything you can treat yourself to? My latest treat is a Mango and Passion Fruit slushie smoothie thing from McDonalds which is quite amazing at cutting dead the nausea. I sip on it whilst we walk the dog so I get exercise.

Very well done on the consultant thing and so glad they took your concerns seriously and you are getting your follow up.

quick message from me, must go to bed. Pain in hip has started again but also have a very active baby right now. Thanks so much for feedback smile will write properly tomorrow. Hope everyone has a good night.

elizabethsmum Wed 07-May-14 21:32:01

starryis there any way the midwife could possibly do a home visit at all? I know this is obviously more of a post-natal thing but I do remember my initial booking appointment when I was about 9 wks pg with dd1 was a home visit (I hadn't even requested it but I was very grateful!!) it may be worth asking???

Sorry not meaning to scare anyone btw re earlier comments

Take care lottie and get as much rest as you can. Are you on phased return?? I know this us cloud cuckoo land thinking as I should have been but it never happened hmm

starrynight123 Wed 07-May-14 21:48:33

Thanks so much for all your comments and help. I've tried getting home visits from the midwives, but I was told 'no' because they are all hospital midwives and not 'community' midwives. I didn't really understand the difference, so I've had to go in. I cancelled the last one because I wasn't at all up to it and I'd had a scan shortly beforehand so I knew the baby was okay.

Sadly, like living mentioned, going in a taxi isn't really an option for me because the motion makes me more ill and I have horrible panic attacks too. We don't have a car.

Really great idea about the playlist to listen to - I'm definitely going to do that. There are a bunch of McDonalds on the way there and back, so may give the smoothie a go. Thank you living!

Urgh. The simplest things seem impossible with this awful illness... and so stressful too :-( The worst of it is that it will be just a 10min appointment, so all this stress, worry and utter exhaustion and more sickness for just that. Honestly, doesn't seem worth it to me. :-(

monkeymamma Wed 07-May-14 22:24:14

Poor starry, it sounds awful for you. The midwives are buggers for not doing home appts. Where I live now they much prefer coming out to you which is just lovely, so much easier esp with a toddler who gets bored in waiting rooms. Hope the McDonald's and music help.

Re disgracing oneself in labour... I thought a small poo was almost obligatory! In all the excitement it goes unnoticed though. First time ladies please don't worry about labour, I echo all comments about it being a walk in the park compared to the sickness you're experiencing, brave ladies.

PunkStar Wed 07-May-14 22:33:58

So many posts!! Just had to scan them all and now can't remember anything!!

Meerka I have no idea how to find your photo :-( I've only ever used this hyperemesis support link on this website. Was a MN virgin prior.

Starry sounds a nightmare all this distance you've got to travel.., wonder if you could talk to them about difficulty at your next appointment.
I honestly didn't find my MW appointments that useful until after 20 weeks. As I was always at hosp it seemed like everything was already being monitored and so the MW was just an extra expedition.
Glad they have agreed CS for you! Yay!

Living fingers crossed things get moving soon for you!! I'm convinced that if it wasn't for CS this tink would stay put for as long as possible. I think the HG would do it just to spite me. It's worrying that I am giving HG human characteristics!

Survived work. Friends and family are asking me what on earth I am doing. Especially when I walk in covered in vomit from the journey home. What am I doing??
Three Wednesdays to go......then official mat leave.

PunkStar Wed 07-May-14 22:36:35

Agree....cannot comment on labour but CS and recovery and dealing with newborn soooooo much easier than HG. This is the worst part.

Booboostoo Thu 08-May-14 06:53:09

How difficult for you Starry! A four mile walk is just not reasonable, I can see why you would be exhausted! Have you considered weird alternatives like rickshaws (I think you're in London right?):

elizabethsmum Thu 08-May-14 07:08:12

Have also been thinking starry once you are at the appointment and waiting which is also a point of anxiety- if you have to sit in the waiting room with a vomit bowl (ask for one when you get there if you need it) then so be it, it is quite common to see people waiting with them in antenatal depts (I work in one!!) it is a hospitl after all and lots of patients preg and otherwise not well so you shouldn't worry if you need one (even if it is only 'just in case'!) Locate the toilet if there is one close by, ideally in the clinic and then if you have to keep going, even if it is to put a bit of cold water on your face, neck, wretch, compose yourself, whatever, you can do.
ime friday afternoons are usually the quietest clinic times as well so am hoping that is the case for you and you are not waiting too long.
Can you manage sucking on a sweet or something as another distraction technique? Sorry am not coming up with brilliant suggestions but any coping mechanism may help you get through it xx

Lottiedoubtie Thu 08-May-14 07:17:28

Starry also can you ask the midwife if there is a team of community midwives you could be referred to? Obviously you need home visits so there must be a better way! I know there are teams of midwives who offer this service in London- although I don't know how widespread it is.

I was offered one for my next appointment but I've elected to go to the clinic as I'm driving again now, and finding that easier than cleaning the house blush but they were keen to offer one as soon as I said I was too unwell to drive, they said it wasn't reasonable for DH to have to take time off so they would come to me. Despite the fact that I could have gone in a taxi (with an emergency bucket).

Booboostoo Thu 08-May-14 07:37:50

Starry could you splash out on a private MW? I am sure they would do home visits. DP was in London for work and needed a GP urgently. He booked over the phone and a private GP made a home visit within one hour...and apologised for the delay! It cost a bomb but if it's a matter of a limited number of visits it might be worth it?

Oklahoma Thu 08-May-14 09:46:05

Starry nothing to offer that hadn't already been said, just lots of sympathy. I find sucking on Polos helps with the nausea a bit if I have to move / be in a car. It's all relative though.

mrsb87 Thu 08-May-14 11:31:38

starry sending lots of sympathy your way, I hope you find a solution!
punk click on meerka's name and you will get an option to see her pictures.
Today I am exhausted! 3 full days at work, 2 sale prep and 1 first day of sale which was mentally busy, an £8000 day which has nearly killed me! The overnight nausea and heartburn last night was awful. I am doing as little as possible, it started off well by not getting out of bed til 11. I did want to do the hoovering but dh has left it upstairs and I am not carrying that heavy thing down so that has poo pooed my plan for day!

livingzuid Thu 08-May-14 11:57:15

mrsb I looked at the hoover and thought, nope! Dh is doing it when he gets back.

Horrible night last night woke up retching and gasping for air. Dawned on me it was a panic attack. In my sleep! Spent an hour battling nausea then ended up on the sofa.

On the upside start date for new job has been put back a week thank the Lord. More time to prepare and I have a two day week the first week as we are at a wedding. Small things...

Primark by the way, vile. It was so horribly busy. I don't remember it being so bad at home but it was like half the country had done a day, trip just to go.

Oklahoma Thu 08-May-14 12:18:09

I avoid Primark at all costs. I used to think the novelty would die down but it never seems to.

My mum wants to go maternity jeans shopping this afternoon but I just can't face it. Maybe next week.

Georgebythesea Thu 08-May-14 12:23:14

Wow I'm impressed by people managing to work.Even though I'm not as sick as I was I'm still often nauseous and very faint and weak and have to rest most of the time.Even just going for a short walk down the road can exhaust me! Perhaps it will get better..I'm 19 weeks..

PunkStar Thu 08-May-14 12:36:20

Aha thanks MrsB
Pictures now viewed Meerka a beautiful little love :-)
Hope all is going well and eating resumed!!

George do not think about work...at 19 weeks I did very little. Went back to work at 26 weeks, only one day a week though. Have tried two days a week but things go a bit insane again and I'm pretty ill for a few days following!!! So just surviving at 19 weeks is great!!

Last time work was a bit easier in third tri but I think some of this is due to now having a one year old, it's tough to manage the HG along with child and work.

Oklahoma Thu 08-May-14 13:05:32

George I'm doing a couple of hours from home a couple of afternoons a week. So I'm not sure it really classes as work. I also need a nap if I walk down the road!!

mrsb87 Thu 08-May-14 13:30:59

Honestly I'm probably doing more than I should, I Mean lucky though that the ondansatron really does stop the sickness 80% of the time.

LucindaE Thu 08-May-14 14:15:14

Punkstar and George I'm amazed at anyone working. Mrsb87 I take off my hat to you on coping with that (bows). Sorry about date muddle, now was it Monkey who was due in December or have I got it wrong? Lottie Don't force yourself to go shopping, no urgency. Good advice to Starry and others from you and Boboosto and Punkstar and elizabethsmum and Everyone. I was horrified about the Losing Control of Bowels Aspect of Birth too. Seems odd it happens as not too clean for baby - I think decades back they used to give women something to empty them before the second stage of labour, seems to have been discontinued, I asked for it in my birth plan but then of course,with that induction that went by the wayside. livinzuid I don't blame you about vacuming.Let him do it. Aren't I horrible?
Is there anyone due after Okla to cheer her up?
Apologies to anyone rudely overlooked.

LucindaE Thu 08-May-14 14:28:45

I forgot to add - but though losing control of bowels may be humiliating, well, as others say, what with the Public Puking so often involved in this nice condition, it isn't really as bad as all that.

livingzuid Thu 08-May-14 14:29:27

I too am so impressed with all these people working. It's enough walking the dog round the block these days! mrsb monkey and punk don't overdo it, it's just a job and work is not as important as your health, ever smile I did too much yesterday just battling through a shop and had DH with me! Also mrsnec with guests, really in awe. I cannot imagine doing that.

Now at laptop so can write properly. starry the mango and pineapple smoothies (sorry not passion fruit) from McDonalds are essentially fruit juice and ice just like in a slushie, so no yogurt which is great for me. It's soooo deliciously cold and not too sweet (I can't handle sweet). I just got myself two to keep me going till DH gets home. I agree with others on the need to get the midwifes to come to you. Could you get your GP to facilitate something? I mean it's not like they can't pick up the phone or email any results through to the hospital - or is joined up working in the NHS too much to hope for? Could your DH advocate for you if you can't face talking? Otherwise, take the walk very easy, plan nice things to do en route and lots of rest stops.

lottie hope you are feeling better today. Thinking of what you said about animals in sympathy, my dog puked up next to me last night. He's not been well either!

okla H&M is good, or ASOS for jeans. Mine are H&M. Online shopping has been my friend!

I found the huge pants in Primark but very disappointed in the nightwear. Found some nice nightgowns in a different store in XXL blush which open at the front and should be nice and baggy post birth. I too don't get the Primark fascination, particularly when you have such nice clothes ranges at Sainsburys, Tesco and Asda or ASOS types for the same kinds of prices. I really love all the baby stuff I got from Asda, great quality and good value.

Thanks so much for the labour stories. It makes me feel better to know the hg will be at an end, even if the discomfort makes me want to hurl. Could be worse things I guess. As to the action 'down there' DH is under very strict instructions to stay at my head area and not look!

meerka I see my consultant tomorrow so going to discuss it all with him again. I wonder what my options for C Section would be. Limited I imagine! I have a real psychotic paranoia thing about needles and my back + I take heart from all the good birth stories I've heard so I'm hopeful still of her arriving with limited intervention. But ask me this again in a month grin For once in my life I'm adopting a 'wait and see what happens' situation. No way am I going over 40 weeks though, my psychiatrist is going to intervene if the gynaecologists try and push it beyond that.

To cheer myself up this morning a bit I have ordered some really nice shampoo and conditioner and bought some posh body butter and face wash for hospital when I can actually smell stuff again. Hospital bag is finally coming together and huge pants can accommodate the huuuuuge maternity pads! I was shocked at how large they are! Now, if only someone could wave a wand and remove the nausea and give me a good night's sleep.......

PunkStar Thu 08-May-14 14:42:56

The whole spinal thing was okay...but I did freak at paralysed legs. Limited intervention would be much nicer (if you can use that word regarding childbirth ;-)
Good luck tomorrow, obs appointment tomorrow for me too then HG prof ten days or so....the end is in sight.

I am going pretty insane, bile and blood in the morn, nausea relentless today. My safe cheese is now off limits.... ice cream still good though!!! Also managing very weak green tea with lemon. Huzzah :-)

Meerka Thu 08-May-14 15:11:15

Thank you punk and eveyrone for the nice words about the little mouseling =) He is doing really well, eating well and he's even getting quite a strong neck already which surprises us all. He's ... ok ... at sleeping but this is something that my husband can help with, if Im asleep I can ask him to change the nappy instead. After preg with HG when you can't ask your other half to actualy DO anything to make you feel better, this is wonderful. In fact, everything after HG is wonderful ..... it's mostly gone now. Still get a heck of a lot of saliva in the evenings and feel a bit sick, but compared to what has gone before it's nothing.

I too am in awe of anyone who can work with HG. seriously in awe

Oklahoma Thu 08-May-14 17:53:14

Succumbed to pressure and went mat jeans shopping with mum. Managed ok for a bit and then passed out in mamas & papas. Idiot. I knew I shouldn't have gone!

Meerka I'm sure he is overjoyed at actually being able to do something useful. It must be very hard on OHs not being able to make it better.

Punk that sounds terrible!! Is the blood normal?

Living not long now but I'm sure it's dragging horribly for you.

mampam Thu 08-May-14 18:13:13

Hi all, I posted a couple of weeks ago and you lovely ladies advised me to go to the doctors. GP prescribed Cyclizine. I suppose it has worked in so much as I am not vomiting as many times as I was before and it makes me very drowsy, which I guess being asleep is more favourable than awake and feeling/being sick.

Whilst I'm not being sick as much the nausea is almost unbearable, my mouth is constantly watering and I'm constantly having to spit into my sick bucket (sorry if tmi). Does anyone else get this?

I'm meant to be going back to work after half term at the end of this month, I'm starting to doubt that will happen sad

Meerka Thu 08-May-14 18:22:34

mampan the insane saliva and the horrible taste in the mouth and most of all the nausea is really typical sad most of us reckon the nausea is actually worse than the vomitting.

Buccastem, Stemetil and Avomine are all slightly stronger meds that have been used for many years and are considered safe, maybe you could ask for one of them from the doctor? Also cyclizine does make some people sleepy, one of the others might be better.

Please do consider asking for time off work. severe morning sickness / HG (and the saliva thing is a trademark of HG) is worsened by exertion. Rest, rest, rest helps

mampam Thu 08-May-14 18:38:57

Thanks Meerka

Yes the vile taste. I'm not sure I can deal with much more of this. I guess I must be coping slightly better as I haven't cried for a few days to my poor DH the old "I can't do this anymore" feeling sorry for myself cry.

GP didn't give me Avomine as apparently I'd tried it during my last pg and it didn't work.

Have got my dating scan tomorrow and am dreading it as we live over an hour away from the hospital, being cooped up in the car then traipsing around a hospital when I feel like shif is not appealing to me, mind you neither is having to make myself look presentable!

How often does everyone wee in a day?

starrynight123 Thu 08-May-14 19:07:51

You guys are really the best - what would I do without you all?!?!

I've decided to cancel my appointment with the mw tomorrow. I woke up in the middle of the night having a panic attack and decided there and then that it just wasn't worth that level of stress and panic for a 10-min appointment where someone would take my blood-pressure, test my urine and... that's it!!!! Especially when my blood-pressure was checked on Tuesday and my GP tested my urine about 3wks ago.

God, so awful!! Still feel nervous even though I know I'm not going!! I just hope they agree to post me my MATB1 form...

living - complete empathy with your anxiety attack too - I really hope you are feeling better now. I find it takes me some time to wind down from them. Do you know what triggered it?

elizabethsmum so kind of you to let me know that Fridays tend to be quiet in antenatal clinics - valuable advice!!

Booboo yup, am in London and I love the lateral thinking about the rickshaw - genius idea!!

PunkStar Thu 08-May-14 19:36:29

Excellent idea... I used to feel I was wasting time especially if I'd just had a hospital visit so I think you've done the right thing :-)
How many weeks are you now??

Okla it is grim, although I don't feel worried. I'm sure it's from my oesophagus from so much heaving then vomiting. I am on stuff to help. It's just a bit crappy. The closer I get the harder it feels to cope with the ever slowing passage of time.

Meerka is right, the nausea can be a bit soul destroying. Plenty of things to try or combos. Work better for some than others. Only steroids reduced my nausea enough for food to pass my lips, even now it's restricted :-(

Popalina Thu 08-May-14 19:41:48

The nausea was way harder to cope with for me than being sick and I said 'I can't do this anymore' to DH a few times in both HG pregnancies!

Weeing -I was about twice a day I seem to remember. Three tops. At one point all I managed was a few RWhites lemonade lollies a day. Keeping hydrated is sooo hard.

Works sucks with HG.

PunkStar Thu 08-May-14 20:34:26

Ah yeah, at times I was weeing twice a day too, generally just wetting mouth at that point or re swallow a water only vomit. Phew, those days have passed me though!!!

I still wail that I can't do this anymore!!! Just want to hold up a bit better this month as I've tried to plan a few nice things with friends.

elizabethsmum Thu 08-May-14 20:36:57

Not sure if anyone knew anything about international hyperemesis awareness day next week (15th may)- found some info on the pregnancy sickness support site- a photo collage is being made of photos submitted
Relating to your personal experiences of hg- considering submitting one of my toilet bowl/bathroom floor wink aim to raise awareness of isolation, feeling of lack of understanding I think we have all felt and discuss on here on a daily basis.
I am useless at links but lucindae aka mother hen hasa link to the site above x

elizabethsmum Thu 08-May-14 20:42:08

My mistake - photos are for a hyperemesis awareness video. They are also doing the big brew ( a coffee morning event which I find slightly odd as it would turn the stomach of many current sufferers to say the least!!) Anyway info on the get involved section of tge site!

mrsnec Fri 09-May-14 05:54:32

Hi everyone,
Yes I too am in awe of those working. I coped with the guests ok. It was just lucky I had puke free days apart from. Had all the taps running in the bathroom to cover the noise. I had to take him shopping one day too and I found that an effort. At least I only had to cook once. And I've no idea how I managed that!

The bowel control thing is a worry to me. My niece was determined it wasn't going to happen to her but as a result ended up giving birth on the hospital toilet floor! If I was in the UK I would consider a waterbirth but then I don't like the idea of the mw fishing it out! Yes in a way I think they should still clear you out first.

Weeing- just twice a day here. Still struggling with fluids. That smoothie sounds appealing though.

Sorry to everyone who is suffering from anxiety and panic attacks at the moment.

No news here really. My mum sent me a big bundle of maternity clothes yesterday. Her friends daughter was about to give them to charity. They're not all to my taste but I'm greatful to have more options and to not have to go shopping!

Not that we have primark here but that's one place I couldn't face feeling like this!

Will take another look at the website. Yes a coffee morning sounds like an odd choice.the raising awareness is the most important aspect of it though.I used to love the stuff and I've gone right off it. Somebody was telling me the other day they never got their taste back for it!

Sorry for skim reading and if I missed anything.

PunkStar Fri 09-May-14 06:09:26

I never think about Primark. I love ASOS. I over order then send loads back though ;-)

I can't stand coffee at the best of times but I am a famous tea drinker. In fact my MIL says 'when you enjoy a cup of tea again we'll know you are better!' True words so far.

Will have a look at PSS, thanks Elizabethsmum

livingzuid Fri 09-May-14 07:08:00

Good luck today punk! We got first appointment of the day so waiting now. Having a chocolate milk hoping that wakes the baby up she always us asleep when my consultant scans her grin bit of a palava trying to get blood tests earlier but dh sorted it eventually. I always find it stressful when that happens.

livingzuid Fri 09-May-14 07:08:27

Is asleep doh

PunkStar Fri 09-May-14 07:50:25

Good luck to you too Living, just taking TLB to nursery then on way!!!! GIVE ME THE DATE!!!!!

kalidasa Fri 09-May-14 08:52:15

For those worrying about their dignity in labour - it is a normal part of earlier labour to go to the loo a lot, often rather loose, so the body does naturally "clear you out", I remember this happening to me when I was about 3 cm dilated maybe? I think for most women there's not a lot left by the pushing phase.

Can I ask for a bit of handholding please? I am about 2 or 3 dpo of my first cycle without my coil. And I am SO nauseous today! I really really hope this is just because I have a sore throat and am generally a bit under the weather because I really need to make it through to an event I am running at the end of next week. I am as prepared as possible for HG but I was anticipating it to strike properly in week 4 at the earliest. DH was feeling queasy yesterday too so fingers crossed this is a false alarm and just a bug. I was always nauseous from about 48 hours after ovulation (one successful pregnancy, two very early losses) but I don't remember that it was this bad.

I thought if I actually posted about this instead of just obsessing to myself I am bound not to be pregnant this month at all and will feel really silly in a few days time! TTC is such an odd time as it is, without feeling that I'm constantly looking straight down the barrel of a gun, waiting for it to go off and ruin my life for the next year!

kalidasa Fri 09-May-14 08:55:52

On the positive side, DS is 17 months and it is SUCH a lovely age. I found his first year tough, I had bad PND and it took me a long time to recover fully from the pregnancy - I think it's important to be honest about this because HG does increase the risk of PND and difficulties with bonding. And to be honest I think I just don't find tiny babies that enthralling. But he is so wonderful now. We are bringing him up bilingually (my husband is French) and it is amazing to watch him understanding and beginning to speak in both languages as if it were the most natural thing in the world! I am dreading the 12 months of pregnancy + immediate postpartum BUT it would be fantastic to watch another little one going through this toddler stage.

starrynight123 Fri 09-May-14 10:34:03

Appointment cancelled. Heart pounding with anxiety now because worried about not getting the MATB1 form!! Argh!! Have e-mailed midwife team about how to get one if I can't go into the hospital... plus, I will now have a different due date because I will be having a caesarean, and I'll only get the date at my next consultant appointment in June. What a complete kerfuffle!

How has anyone else dealt with this?? Has anyone ever got their MATB1 form through the post??

Lottiedoubtie Fri 09-May-14 11:25:55

Crap! starry I'm in the same boat, I did go to my MW appointment just now, but reading your post I realise I forgot to ask for my mat B1 form... I'll have to ring them after work later.

Oklahoma Fri 09-May-14 11:30:10

What is a matb1 form?

starrynight123 Fri 09-May-14 11:32:36

lottie it's a bit frustrating because it occurred to me that I ought to have received my matb1 form at my last mw appointment which was after my 2nd scan. Grrr....!!!!

oaklahoma it is a form you need to give your employer so you get your statutory maternity pay.

PunkStar Fri 09-May-14 12:35:42

They posted my matb1 form to GP practice so I collected it from there...

Okla...use MatB to claim mat benefits. I've posted mine off so I can get my maternity allowance.

Kali I don't know which way to cross my fingers for you! One way for not preg and no HG and the other way for preg!!

I love my little boy at this stage too, he is 21 months. Prior to HG we used to go to French play and it's interesting how he still remembers the songs and actions. His g'ma (Omi) is German so she chats to him in that. OH's German is a bit rusty. It's really sad his parents speak around six European languages but he only knows basic French and German.

Date of CS
2.6.14 :-) :-) :-)

Lottiedoubtie Fri 09-May-14 12:38:39

Thanks punk that's reassuring.

Oklahoma Fri 09-May-14 13:04:46

Yay for a date Punk!

starrynight123 Fri 09-May-14 13:32:44

punk that's fantastic news about your cs date - less than a month to go = woohoo!!

kalidasa really feeling for you... like punk not sure whether to cheer or not at this stage :-/ But, really hope you get pregnant soon!

LucindaE Fri 09-May-14 13:58:03

Damn Pc needs updating - getting worse and worse - but I'm just dashing on to say I'm thinking of you all.
Kali I do so feel for you. You were very brave last time. You can do it twice, but if you are pregnant, here' s hoping the pre emptive meds etc will make it so much easier this time round.
Punkstar Lovely news.
Pecks pc and goes off clucking anxiously...

livingzuid Fri 09-May-14 14:49:50

Oh punk you're before me haha! Great news on the c section date!

We have this ongoing argument in the house that DH must speak Dutch to the baby from day of arrival and I bet he doesn't when I am not in, although he's promised. He was like, well Opa (grandad) will do it over Skype which is hardly satisfactory! Particularly as his dad sounds like he's talking into a muffler most of the time. He's bilingual but really hates speaking Dutch at home. Once we are settled I'm going to go back to Dutch school and also fingers crossed there might be a baby Dutch group or we can take her to Edinburgh to partake if not local. It's such a gift to give languages to your children.

starry I am sure they will just post it to your GP. Good call on cancelling, no point in going and being stressed. Ridiculous that it can't all be done at one place. My hospital make appointments for me all on the same day so I don't have to keep going backwards and forwards.

kali keeping fingers and toes crossed that this is the month for you. I hated the tww so much! But funnily enough the month it happened I just knew, it felt so different from ovulation onwards. You have the meds and who knows, you might be in the 20% where the hg doesn't come back smile

Well I decided against talking about a C section it just isn't something I want to do unless advised. The baby's dropped down and head is engaged which I take as a positive sign. And whilst one can't count on my family to do anything as told, several people have said they reckon she will be early. After next Friday she can arrive any time she likes! The sooner the better so these horrible stretch marks can go away!

My lovely consultant asked me if I wanted stronger medication to cope with the nausea at night than the one I currently take and we agreed not as it is so near the end now. I have appointments with him every Friday now until THE END so we can monitor progress.

The other good news is I only gained 300g this week instead of the usual kilo to kilo and a half yay! I have become a round as round can be beachball and I never ever thought I'd look forward to eating normally and exercising regularly as I do right now.

I also just had the most amazing sleep for about 4 hours and feel like a different person.

Lottiedoubtie Fri 09-May-14 14:56:22

Just phoned the midwives and they are going to post the mat B1 so that's a relief! starry I'm sure yours will too. It must happen a lot with the five week window for getting it/handing it in.

Meerka Fri 09-May-14 15:33:22

storry I do hope they can send it, if lotties can hopefully yours can too.

punk fannnntastic news about the CS! So pleased to hear it, a definite, at last, final end date in sight.

living we have hte language thing too. We speak english in the house but husband relapses into dutch every moment that he can. It's been so much Dutch over the months of the preg that I've been in bed and our son's english does ssuffer for it. Have to be on at husband all the time hmm

Really feel for you abourt how the last month is Groundhog day. that's it, exactly, it just doesn't ever stop does it? im glad your consultant is being so very careful with you and seeing you every week, that support is so helpful.

<waves to mother hen and elizabethsmum and george and okla and everyone>

PunkStar Fri 09-May-14 15:50:35

Aw Living hope babba evicts in good time! Your consultant sounds great. I know what you mean about CS, it's easier for me because they always offer it over here if you've had a previous one. I know what to expect and in all honesty I'm just desperate to escape being pregnant. I even cried when I left the department as I was so relieved just to have this fixed date I can focus on.
There is a product called retin A (tretinoin gel) which has some evidence if used early on in prevention/treatment of stretch marks...unfortunately it is contraindicated in pregnancy!!!! But wonder if you could get some afterwards (it's normally used as an acne treatment but is also good at getting rid of wrinkles (OH is a dermatologist so gives me all the info ;-) I've been using a glycolic wash to help prevent them although I think evidence is limited!!

I really hope our little boy picks up a language, there are classes near to me called Lingotots which are great but nothing like having bilingual parents.

I hope you are feeling most un-HG like. Even when the nausea is at a manageable level I always feel ill with it in a way I find hard to explain. I am just assuming this will magically disappear :-)
Hope Willem is thriving and making you smile.

DiddyBeth Fri 09-May-14 16:18:23

Hi all, haven't posted in ages but been popping in and skimming how everyone is doing. Am 35 weeks now and thank god the last few weeks have been relatively vomit and nausea free smile Managed to make it through my mum's wedding on Sunday without any disasters and even fit into my dress grin

So jealous of you who have a definite date you will have your babies by, feel like the days are really dragging now and just can't wait to meet her! My oh's mum was also pregnant at the same time as me (had an annoyingly easy pregnancy) and had her baby on Monday evening. Made it all feel very real and scary when we went to visit ! Cant believe in 5 weeks we will have one of those shock

Booboostoo Fri 09-May-14 16:43:11

punk a CS date, how exciting!

living DD is trilingual, I speak to her in English, DP in Greek and everyone else in French. She also has an Oma (German) but we decided the poor kid would have enough on her plate without adding German to it! At the moment (3yo) she speaks mainly in English, with some Frenglish and the odd Greek word thrown in for good measure.

kali I disliked the toddler stage more than everything so far! Newborn worked out well for me, which doesn't make much sense as I never got any sleep, and now she's more verbal and active and fun to interact with. The tantrumy, clingey bit in the middle was the most annoying! Good luck with TTC!

Meerka Fri 09-May-14 17:34:32

punk Im mostly HG free, it seems to be fading gradually this time. can always tell when the hormones are high becuase I get the horrible saliva things again.

But things are so, so, so, so, so, so much better than they were!!!!

Hi diddy, lovely to hear going better and your mum's wedding went well smile

boo wow at all the languages! smile How lovley to come from all those different cultures.

starrynight123 Fri 09-May-14 18:49:46

UCLH midwives respond pretty darn quickly to emails - I sent one this afternoon and received the reply at c.4.45pm! However, they can't post me a MATB1 form because they need to see me in order to make sure I'm pregnant confused - why do they think I now have a hospital record of seeing various midwives, having scans and seeing a consultant... because I'm having a phantom pregnancy?!?! She suggested I contact my GP and get one from her. Ho hum. My GP is on leave until the end of the month, so a few weeks to wait.

Really impressed with all the languages going on here! I was raised bilingual and am hoping my daughter will be too :-)

starrynight123 Fri 09-May-14 18:57:45

-- I meant I sent one late morning - not afternoon!!

elizabethsmum Fri 09-May-14 20:54:02

Just checking on to say hi- thread weirdly disappeared from view from my active conversations last night until now and I couldn't find it listed in the pregnancy section either! Strange but it I have now found you again! Great news that you have got a date punk
Waves at everyone smile

PunkStar Fri 09-May-14 21:44:35

Starry if you need it more quickly I'm sure any GP would complete it as they'd just need to look at your records for confirmation. I actually only got around to getting mine around 30 weeks, OH has done his bit with it for pat leave (he has five weeks....because he forgets to take his annual leave. How weird!!!) and I've finally sent it off for my MA :-)

Re my date...I think family members are as relieved as I am. My Da has banned me from ever getting pregnant again (I think he would disown me) and OH has stated same. Fine with me.

starrynight123 Fri 09-May-14 22:10:11

punk thanks for letting me know! I'll give it a go. I already notified work some weeks ago and they've sent me out a maternity pack, just need to get them that form and I've done my bit I think.

punk so, so wonderful that you have your date! Are you doing anything to prepare for your cs? I was thinking of getting a hypnobirthing cd or something to learn some relaxation techniques beforehand.

starrynight123 Fri 09-May-14 22:13:02

Dh is away until tomorrow evening at a friend's stag weekend... feeling bit lonely at home all alone. I'm more used to spending the days alone, but not the nights too. Have been having anxiety attacks at night and some pretty awful nightmares recently too - too much stress for me at the moment I think - so bit nervous about being here all alone :-( Feels bit daft given that I'm 33 years old.

livingzuid Fri 09-May-14 22:34:52

starry look up natal hypnotherapy which is the course of cds I follow. Very good. Hypnobirthing is the American version.

Is there a good film on or can you curl up in bed with a book? I read the guardian in the middle of the night!

starrynight123 Fri 09-May-14 22:46:23

Thanks living! I'll look that up on Amazon.

I just caught up on the last Mad Men episode and am now flicking through BBC iPlayer to see if there's anything on there... If not, then I'll get on with the book I'm reading at the moment - She-Wolves: the women who ruled England before Elizabeth. They were some kick-ass women and pretty inspirational in their way!

This is the first night I've spent alone since my sickness really kicked in. I used to enjoy having an evening to myself and potter about, but I think I've become really clingy over the last few months.

LucindaE Fri 09-May-14 22:57:36

Punkstar Great news about date.
Meerka Lovely to hear from you, as ever.
Livingzuid Congratulations on that sleep!
Lottie Glad red tape sorted out, the last thing you need.
DiddyBeth That is lovely news, so nice of you to post and encourage others.
Booboosto I know what you mean about tantrums - mine was a menace for those, and ignoring them did no good either.
Starry It's a bit nice that you'll miss him so much, though sad.
I so agree with others, lying on the sofa watching a film is the thing...
elizabeth'smum It's weird about the thread vanishing, when I checked it was still there!
Waves to Okla and Everyone.
Apologies to anyone overlooked.

mrsnec Sat 10-May-14 07:11:17

Hi everyone!
Great news about the date punk, not long now.
I agree Lottie red tape is very frustrating.
starry, I was like that last weekend when dh went out with his friend just for the day! I just went through iplayer and downloaded loads of rubbish and read the paper online but mostly slept although he did wake me st 3am when he got in so I ate half his macdonalds and then went back to sleep!

Impressed with all the bilingual little ones! I gave up with the Greek. I found it hard because I also speak a bit of french and Spanish (a level standard) so I just kept mixing it all up and they kept telling me village greek here is so different from textbook greek anyway. I can read greek though just don't know what the words mean! Dc will learn greek too though and I will start again from the same level. My English friends here send their children to local schools. They have been to school in Switzerland too so are also trilingual I think thats amazing.

starrynight123 Sat 10-May-14 12:45:36

mrsnec if you want to learn a language in a really chilled out way while not feeling well at home, I recommend 'memrise'. It's free and after a friend mentioned it to me, I started using it and really like it. You do it at your own pace and in your own time. It's what I ended up doing for part of last night before I finally read a few pages of a book and fell asleep!

Hope everyone is doing well today! xx

livingzuid Sat 10-May-14 13:07:42

mrsnec I have a similar problem as I did German. Dh and his friends all laughed at me when I tried out my Dutch and said I sounded German. I always get the words mixed up too.

meerka we have the same problem just in reverse grin

Very envious of all the trilingual families out there. I was raised as bilingual in mandarin would you believe and was bilingual till we moved back. My brother continued lessons but I was deemed not as important to keep going angry

Lottiedoubtie Sat 10-May-14 17:19:05

Bah, now I've got a cold as well!

Sinus' all blocked up, blowing nose everywhere, cough.

Bleugh. Although a sneaky part of me is revelling in a different sort of illness to a pregnancy one hmm it's horrible but not nearly so depressing! Is that really odd?

LucindaE Sat 10-May-14 20:00:49

Lottie Poor you about enjoying a cold - shows how horrible this is! Doesn't a blocked nose and sneezing make you feel sicker, though?
You Linguistic Lot - Mandarin, Livinzuid, wow - 'A' levels in Spanish and German, was that mrsnec? I'm so ashamed; semi fluent in Welsh, very bad French, poor accent, mix up tenses, etc. Starry is that an internet thing, this 'memrise'? hope Eveyrone's reasonably OK.
Kalidasa How are things?
Petitlapin Next for release from this condition.
How is Evreybody Very windy here in Mid Wales and rainy.

Oklahoma Sun 11-May-14 08:55:54

Been very grumpy last few days and the thread seemed quite happy so have been lurking rather that posting so I don't bring the mood down.

Booboostoo Sun 11-May-14 09:01:05

mrsnec Greek is a really difficult language to pick up, I don't envy you!

living Mandarin! Now that is a useful language.

Having a bit of a crappy week here. Week 21 just finished and it was worse than before which has me a bit stumped really. Things were looking up from week 17 onwards, fewer bad days and the intensity of the nausea was down, but it doesn't make sense now. Last pregnancy I had a nice, calm HG-free spell in the middle, I am a bit worried I won't even get that now. Any tiny amount of tiredness and the HG flares up, but seriously I am not doing anything strenuous, just the bare minimum.

LucindaE Sun 11-May-14 09:15:58

Boo and Okla Sorry about these relapses - don't feel bad for posting how miserable you feel, that's what this thread is for! Hugs.

mrsnec Sun 11-May-14 10:04:47

Living, yes I agree mandarin is very useful! Everyone here speaks English except my neighbours so I abandoned the Greek for a while as I was learning a whole new language and alphabet to communicate with one person! My french and Spanish have been useless here and even my greek to some extent. Even the minimum wage jobs here now want fluent Russian! But I do use the Greek I know to read things like roadsigns,menus and labels in supermarkets etc. That ap is great it's good to have something else to do instead of telly and mags. Doubt I'm absorbing anything though! Boo yes greek is hard. Never been convinced the effort is appreciated either!

Lottie, hope you're feeling better.
kali, any news?
Oaklahoma and Boo I agree with Lucinda and I feel a bit the same. Guess I'm just trying to put on a brave face I think it's anxiety over my next scan too.

Kels13 Sun 11-May-14 10:06:55

Hi ladies, can I join you?! Am due 15 October, so 18 weeks and have been very sick since about week 6. I've finally had enough and am going to head to the docs this week. Can't take anymore of continuous nausea, exhaustion and sickness sad Any survival tips? Have tried all the usual a I swear! Nothing works anymore... X

Oklahoma Sun 11-May-14 10:39:55

Hi Kels we can offer lots of emotional support through the crapness that is HG but none of us have a miracle cure I'm afraid.

Drugs help, so definitely go to your GP and lots of them are perfectly safe to take when pregnant so don't worry about that.

Are you getting enough fluids? That is really important. Sounds like you've tried the usual ice lollies, very cold drinks etc? Everyone on here has different things that work.

And lastly lots and lots of sympathy! Everyone on this thread is going through or has been through the same do moan as much as you want and we'll do our best to help!

Booboostoo Sun 11-May-14 10:40:09

I have the 22wk scan on Tuesday as well which is a bit stressful so that could explain the extra nausea?

livingzuid Sun 11-May-14 10:40:36

kels sorry you are struggling. You are doing the best thing by getting to the doctor as soon as possible. Make sure you stay hydrated above all else - ice cold water in sips, diet coke and slushies (my fave), flat coke, fruit juices - anything liquid you can tolerate. Forget diet or eating healthy just eat what you can. Get signed off as well if possible as the tiredness and over extertion makes it worse. Rest up and sleep as much as possible.

I was so down in the dumps last week I couldn't bear to keep moaning and being a bore. I'm just shattered this week - last night I had about 4 hours broken sleep which I think is the fault of the full moon! My hands are so sore and swollen I can't even hold my toothbrush properly. My foods are now limited to :

Nutella on white toast
Hash browns
Gala melon

Ice water
Tonic and orange
Milk whole
Tap diet coke
Red slushies or mango and pineapple from mcds

How random a mix is that? And I am so thirsty I am drinking about 4 litres of fluid a day of which 2 litres is water if not more. Just thinking back to earlier discussions. This is to do with my lithium so I have to drink as much as I can. Every hour, day or night, I need to go. Especially now the baby is pressing down. So uncomfortable sigh. And turning at night is like doing an assault course.

punk great advice on the stretch marks I will check it out. In true Dutch fashion my consultant said my lower stomach area was 'ruined' grin which dh was trying to assure me was the closest approximation to a Dutch word for 'lots but normal' hehe, not that I believe him. Funnily enough it's the one thing I don't mind as it's such a visible sign of her growth which has been a major anxiety point for me. I want them to go away, don't get me wrong but there have been far worse things in this pregnancy than stretch marks, which I had before anyway. We are trying olive oil at the moment which I have heard good things about. I know they will always be there but it can't be a bad thing to keep the skin nice.

Ah ladies, never feel like you can't say how low you feel as this is a safe space to vent smile lord knows I've done it enough and it has helped so much.

livingzuid Sun 11-May-14 10:47:11

boo I cried before every scan up until about three weeks ago. It's definitely hard and you must be so keen to get out of the French system too. It's always better post scan smile

ziggystarducks Sun 11-May-14 10:47:42

Morning all xxx

I briefly appeared on the old thread as I am now 10 weeks and experienced severe HG in my previous pregnancy. I was so worried about it recurring I immediately visited a hypnotist who I'd been told could help nausea.

Unfortunately, it didn't work. sad

Useless GP put me on Metaclopramide which did nowt.

The HG has escalated over the last 4 weeks, life has pretty much ground to a halt. Which is hard with an active 3 yr old and a busy job.

On Thursday a much better GP spoke to the hospital and got permission to prescribe Cyclizine.
It completely stopped the nausea and the vomiting. grin

BUT, it gives me an upset tummy and makes me feel a bit spaced out. Preferable to nausea but not great, especially when driving shock

Has anyone else tried it? I won't be allowed it in 3rd trimester apparently as it causes foetal 'agitation'?

This is my 3rd baby and definitely my last after bad HG on both previous dc!!

I also had a scan on Wednesday which revealed we were expecting twins but one has not made it sadly. The remaining baby looked great though, real relief to see everything looking well and good.

MrsHende Sun 11-May-14 10:52:05

Just popping in quickly to say hello.

I've started back at work with a phased return half days last week and next. I started on Thursday, which was fine and so lovely to have some different company and a distraction but Friday morning was pretty hard going. I was sick for the first time in 2 weeks and really struggled. However, I managed and I'm sure it will get easier as I get used to getting up early again. I think part of the problem was brushing my teeth so early so I think I'll leave a toothbrush and paste at work and just brush them when I get in.

I'm a primary school teacher and my kids were so lovely to me, with lots of lovely cards and making things for me to welcome me back! It's nice to be missed! I was explaining to them that they didn't need to a worry about me and that I had been very sick but it wasn't a bug and they wouldn't catch anything. I was about to tell them that it was because I was having a baby but my body didn't much like me having a baby in my tummy when one of them put her hand up and said, "oh, is it a tapeworm?'!!!! That then started a stream of suggestion from cancer to having swallowed a rat!! I could barely talk for laughing! I managed to set them straight though and they were delighted - except the boy who was really hoping a rat was involved!

Hello to everyone who's been on since the last time I was here. For the newbies, I'm so sorry you're having to be here but very happy you've found the thread. I'm not a prolific poster - didn't feel up to it when I was in the throes of the worst of the HG and now trying to keep busy. However, I lurk a lot and have found a mountain of good advice and comfort.

LucindaE Sun 11-May-14 11:30:44

Kels13 Welcome, you've been heroic to survive this without meds, but as others say, there are so many safe ones, don't try and struggle on without them. I don't think I can improve on advice from the others- sure someone mentioned those famous kesostix to check for dehydration from chemists - and excellent detailed advice, too - I found full sugar coke reduced the nausea, sips of it, left to go flat, but many, like Livngzuid swear by the diet sort. Nibbles of crisps. People seemed divided about ice cream. I found the cheap strawberry stuff helpful.
Ziggy Hello again. I'm sure someone will be along who can advise about cyclezine - I'm so glad it's helping, it's normally the first they try, I think, and so hopefully they'll be able to give you something that helps as much or more if you still need it in the third tri. You're very brave to go for it twice.
Livinzguid Great advice.
mrsnec Fluent Russian for minimum wages jobs, my goodness, are you serious?! Did you say you live in Cyprus?
Boo Very likely it is anxiety about scan. Chances are massively all will be fine, but I know how nerve wracking it is.
waves to Lottie Okla and all, goes of clucking. Apologies if I've ignored anyone rudely, or cross posted.

Georgebythesea Sun 11-May-14 11:32:01

@Kels13 Sorry to hear you have been feeling so awful.Everyone here is very supportive.I'm 19 weeks so just a week ahead of you.I started feeling sick at week 6 and the worst weeks were week 7-16 but although not continuously nauseous anymore I'm still very exhausted and faint and struggling a lot with eating/nauseous/tummy problems..I've been off work since week 7 and resting as much as possible,which I would recommend.
I have tried stemetil and metrochlopromide both of which made me feel awful..I've also been prescribed cyclizine but haven't taken it yet so will be interested to hear what people say about it?
Sorry others who are feeling rough..it's so horrible isn't it and often feels too much to even write anything but so good to know you are not al

Georgebythesea Sun 11-May-14 11:33:11

Alone! We will all make it through somehow! Ah October seems so far away at the mo!

LucindaE Sun 11-May-14 11:34:09

MrsHendesorry, I think I deleted the part of my message for you.
Thanks so much for your post, it's so nice when people come back to encourage others, and congratulations on being well enough to go back to work. Do keep us posted on how it goes and I'm so glad you've found this thread useful. Always feel free to vent if it comes back. Take it easy and about tooth cleaning - I found rubbing kids strawberry toothpaste with fingers,or rinsing out with bicarb of soda diluted ways of cleaning teeth without bringing on retching fits...

LucindaE Sun 11-May-14 11:35:20

GeorgebytheSea 'This Too Will Pass'. hope that isn't annoying.

Georgebythesea Sun 11-May-14 11:41:02

Thanks LucindaE and no not annoying..smile by the way i know I've mentioned it before but does anyone have any tips for the constant horrendous taste and/or the excessive saliva spitting thing..it is driving me crazy!! I am having to literally spit constantly and the taste is so so horrible that it takes over everything and can't ignore it.

starrynight123 Sun 11-May-14 11:41:50

lucinda memrise is an app for mobile phones and you can also use it online - all for free! Here is a link for it - www.memrise.com It has been proving a bit of a lifesaver for me when I’m feeling low and can’t do anything but sit very, very still.

Hurray for Eurovision - watched it while chatting with a good friend online and it provided lots of entertainment and laughter :-)

oklahoma I agree with everyone else - this is the perfect place to vent when you need to. We all understand and support you. It is such a horrid, frustrating and isolating illness that if I didn’t have this thread, I’d have gone off my rocker some months ago. Please don’t feel you have to hold back.

Kels13 Sun 11-May-14 11:48:49

Thank you ladies, nice to know there's somewhere with people who understand who won't just say 'you should be blooming by now' 'you're just going to have to get through it' and my fave 'try ginger biscuits'! Will look for te kesostix hasn't heard of those thank you xx

Oklahoma Sun 11-May-14 12:14:03

George I find polos and very cold tonic water cut through the taste.

Oklahoma Sun 11-May-14 12:16:02

Kels there was an amusing conversation on here a few weeks ago after my MIL suggested ginger one too many times. Apparently the Chinese? (whoever posted this please correct me) used to put it up the other end as a form of torture. Makes me smile every time someone suggests ginger now.

livingzuid Sun 11-May-14 12:44:48

george hot water with a slice of lemon or lime worked for me. Or chewing gum immediately after a meal. Or tonic, definitely agree with that. It's a wunder drink.

kalidasa Sun 11-May-14 15:11:43

Hi all, thanks for asking after me, and starry thanks especially for the memrise recommendation, it's great.

I am OK. My throat is a lot better today but I am still feeling very dizzy, nauseous if I move around, and I am totally shattered - keep having to go back to bed despite spending all of yesterday and Thursday in bed already. This morning I ended up retching over the kitchen sink because I'd tried to throw away some mouldy food. It could be that the throat thing has caused an inner ear inflammation maybe? hence the dizziness. Alternatively I am already upduffed. I am only about 5dpo I think so it is super super early, and obviously even if I have conceived there is no guarantee at this point that it will implant and proceed to a proper pregnancy. So we are in a bit of a waiting game.

I did have symptoms extremely early (within a few days) with my three previous conceptions. I'm pretty sure I didn't feel this unwell at this stage, but perhaps the bout of tonsilitis has made things worse. I don't think I can be further on than I think as DH was away for a week and only got back last Sunday.

Also, very oddly, my tailbone is very sore. It feels exactly as it did when I was about nine, trying to learn to rollerskate, and kept falling over backwards onto my bottom and bruised my coccyx. I'm pretty sure I have not fallen over so I don't know what that's about!

Excellent range of languages between us - I am impressed!

monkeymamma Sun 11-May-14 15:55:24

Hello all.
Just checking in to say I hope you're doing well over the w/end. living your panic attack sounds horrendous, I hope you are feeling a bit better.
My (fantastic) dad got me to go back to the gp on Friday and she has doubled my dose of phenergen (as well as giving me some good advice re pain relief during migraines). So after a bloody horrendous week I'm feeling really good. Fingers crossed it lasts!
Good luck with the week ahead everyone

starrynight123 Sun 11-May-14 16:13:41

kalidasa have you been to see your GP? It sounds as though you have some sort of bug or other illness that needs to be checked out. Could s/he do a blood test for pregnancy for you to see whether or not you are in the very early stages of pregnancy? I've had an inner ear infection and the dizziness/nausea sounds very familiar.

Dh brought a super tasty, freshly made Italian Panini and cannolo for me and I scoffed the lot. Now feeling massively nauseous and have indigestion... feel awful, but it was worth every mouthful!!!

Random note: has anyone else noticed that their hair has started to turn grey since they became pregnant? In the last 3 months, all of the hair at my temples has turned completely white, lots more white through my hair, and I even found a white hair in my eyebrows this morning. I had one or two strands of white before, but there has been an explosion of white in the last couple of months. I wonder if it is hormones or just the enormous stress of hg...??

kalidasa Sun 11-May-14 17:22:46

starry no I haven't been to the GP yet but I have lots of medication because I got it all prescribed in advance, which was the advice I was given to prepare for a second pregnancy after my HG was so severe in the first. At the moment I am just taking cyclizine once at night and ranitidine and pyroxidine (B6 I think) during the day.

I think it is too early even for a blood test at this stage, as implantation is generally around 7-9 dpo.

I've had labyrinthitis (inner ear prob) a few times and it does feel very similar to the early stages of HG for me so hard to tell. The medication for labyrinthitis is pretty much the same anyway as I remember. If I confirm that I'm not pregnant and I still feel like this I'll definitely see the GP.

I definitely have more grey hairs post-pregnancy!

mrsnec Sun 11-May-14 17:33:07

good luck kali, not long before you can test.although I might have done one already if it was me.

Interesting about the grey hair. I haven't noticed that. I'll be glad if that's one symptom I escape from!

Anyway yes I'm in cyprus agree we're a multilingual bunch on here.

Boo, my next scan is Tuesday too. Didn't expect to be as anxious as I was over the first one but I am possibly even more so. Think it's because I thought I'd have a bigger bump and be feeling more movement by now. Also really annoyed I couldn't get the first apt of the day I like getting them over and done with.

Meerka Sun 11-May-14 18:50:17

george, sympathy, that taste and the spitting is the pits. well no, the nausea is the absolute pits. Bt the taste and spiting come close second!

If you have to spit in public, maybe a kid's sippy cup would help; spit into it and cover it. Looks less horrible. Or a small juice packet, same thing; spit down the straw.

for the taste, barley sugar or mints? a nurse told me that the more you spit, the more saliva you create but if you try to swallow that much horrible saliva, you also end up vomitting ... guess it's a balance.

<waves to everyone and kels and returning people>

mrsb87 Sun 11-May-14 21:23:36

Hi everyone, I've not been on much this week, work has been pushing me a bit hard this week so in exhausted now! I have a long weekend in center parcs next weekend so I'm looking forward to that. Monday and Tuesday off too smile. I'm meeting friend at wightwick manor tomorrow for a stroll and a cup of tea.
Hg wise my nausea is still there but a lot more manageable with ondansatron. Still Having my morning bile runs! I think the worst thing for me at the moment is the combination of heartburn and nausea! The continuous belching is a bit embarrassing.

Very jealous of you lot who are good with languages, I struggle with English sometimes let alone learning other languages too!

espa Mon 12-May-14 08:50:19

Hi all. Just a wee update from me. Generally been feeling much better than this time last week though felt pretty nauseous all day yesterday and was struggling to eat much at a time. The doctor had given me Prochlorperazine (I think?) and hoping getting more today to tide me over while on holiday. I think it's helped although I am still sick most mornings and feel a bit nauseous. I wondered if I'm on quite a low dose but so long ad I can get by it's okay, I don't think I'm nearly as bad as some of you ladies.

kalidasa Mon 12-May-14 09:40:00

Another queasy morning here in way-too-early-to-test land. After resting basically all weekend (poor DH) I got up and dressed this morning, but have had to lie down again after an hour. DS is very clingy and every time he sees me says "knee" (meaning he wants to sit on my knee to play).

Fortunately as far as work goes we are into the examining period now so as long as I can function in bed, I can do marking from there. DH is collecting a pile of scripts for me today. I just have one big event that I really have to make it in for on Friday (as I am running it). If I can make it past that, I think it should be obvious whether or not I am in fact pregnant by the weekend, and then I can either cancel everything and give in to the experience or enjoy feeling revived.

Still really enjoying the memrise thing.

Oklahoma Mon 12-May-14 10:02:51

Looking for some advice please ladies.

I'm now down to throwing up once or twice a day. Other than that so long as I don't do too much the nausea and dizziness is manageable.

At what stage do I need to resume normal life? I can't really face the thought of going back to work, simply because of the hour commute into London. I'm doing a couple of afternoons a week from home which is tiring but manageable currently.

Am I just being a wuss now and should really be doing more or am I being sensible taking it easy so I don't do too much and relapse?

mrsnec Mon 12-May-14 10:14:53

Hi Oaklahoma,

I don't have a commute but I had the conversation with dh about doing more at work now I'm feeling a bit better. It's a tough one though as when I tried to do more I just got exhausted when I came home and it meant even less got done around the house because I just collapsed when I got in!

I am from Surrey originally and loads of my friends commuted when pg and even without hg I've no idea how they did it as I couldn't! Throw hg into it too, not a chance!

My advice to you would be not to feel guilty about not doing enough. If you feel ready to do more maybe see if you can do more from home.

I don't know how the London girls do it!

starrynight123 Mon 12-May-14 10:21:03

Oklahoma honestly, I don't think you even need to consider resuming 'normal' life until you are actually better and well enough to feel 'normal' again. For me, I have been working from home since I was about 12wks (am now 27wks) and that is despite the fact that I'm about a 20-25min walk from work. My GP understands that I'm not well enough to go into work but has agreed to write that I can work from home as and when I feel able. For me, this is a life-saver because I love my job and I would go completely nuts without something to do during part of the day.

If you are finding it tiring to work a couple of afternoons per week from home, then it really doesn't sound as though you are anywhere near ready to start resuming your normal life and workload.

Personally, I find that if I overdo it at all, my nausea/sickness goes haywire. Whereas, right now, I'm taking it as easy as I can and it's still challenging to manage.

kalidasa glad you were able to rest over the weekend and also that you're enjoying memrise - me too! Which language did you go for? I'm learning Italian. The one thing memrise doesn't do so well is the grammar, so I'm jotting down my verb tables and things in a little book.

LucindaE Mon 12-May-14 10:51:31

Okla Don't try and rush back to normal life - so many women on here have tried to do that, and the symptoms can come back badly when they overdid it. Gradually ease yourself into living more normally is mother' hen's suggestion. So glad you're feeling so much better. Also, being sick twice a day isn't normal - it does take it out of you, you're not enough on the mend yet.
Meerka Waves to you and Willem (and OH of course) - so agree about barley sugar Georgesbythesea and also, a woman on here liked palma violets (like a woman drinking secretly at home grin.
Starry so sweet of you to give me that link. For sure I'll use it.
I had more silver hairs after run in with this, but my mother had warned me that people with reddish fair get silver early and I was 35.
mrsnecHow are things? I still don't understand - are there so many Russians in Greece that people are learning Russian or was I being stupid and you were joking? Not uncommon!
mrsb87 Try and take it easy after such a week; even your idea of a restful time sounds energetic!
Monkey Glad about migraine advice - it's horrible to have both those and Hyperemesis. As a sufferer myself, I'm curious what meds she recommended, as ordinary pain killers don't seem to touch them? My chirocpractitioner (can't afford one these days) used to recommend an ice pack, then a hot water bottle rotated. I never found it that great.
espu Glad you are feeling a bit better, that is so encouraging.
kels13 Glad too, you're going to get the magic sticks!
Kalidasa Thinking of you. I'm sure you don't know what to wish for, whether it's a nasty virus or this is it. I do remember heartburn from ridiculously early, but no comparison between severity of cases, my goodness.
Lottie and petitlapin and livingzuidand Everyone I hope not too bad. Apologies if cross posted/ rudely ignored anyone...

mrsb87 Mon 12-May-14 11:11:12

okla there is no such thing as normal life with hg! I'm finding out you always seem to have to make allowances for it however well you feel. Go with what you feel is comfortable for you.

Meerka Mon 12-May-14 11:30:21

okla - rest, rest rest rest as much as you can

HG drains you. You will feel much better after the birth but it will take more time than usual for you to recover, longer probably than other people, because of the extra physical strain of HG. The more you rest now, the better you'll be later on. Do NOT underestimate it ... please.

The difference between being as rested as you can be and pushing yourself til you're exhausted and take months to recover, is the difference between enjoying the first weeks / months with the baby and getting through everything in a grim life-draining grey haze.

Also as someone said, even when you get over the worst of HG you never really feel well ... and a lot of people find the nausea worsens in the last weeks. Best to be rested!

<waves smiling to mother Hen and everyone>

livingzuid Mon 12-May-14 11:46:15

okla I stopped working at 17 weeks because I could not do the commute any more - in traffic it could be over an hour each way and as for leaving the security of my car for public transit forget it. It has been such a relief to not work during pregnancy. And I'm nowhere as bad as some of the other ladies on here.

Don't feel bad about not working. The most important thing is to take care of yourself. It is physically and mentally exhausting to deal with this. If you need to get signed off, get signed off. Your health, and that of your baby, are far more important than any job ever could be smile

kalidasa Mon 12-May-14 11:50:54

I so agree with meerka. Admittedly I had a bad case, and threw up throughout, plus was very disabled with SPD, but I had a miserable first six months or so with DS, which is such a shame. I was definitely overtired: I did too much in the latter part of pregnancy, and I tried to get by too much on my own in the first few months post-partum. I'm hoping I won't make those mistakes again, though I realise it can be hard to balance the physical requirements of rest against the psychological need to feel a bit more yourself/see people etc. But okla if you are happy with your current level of rest/work then definitely definitely don't even consider upping it until you feel a really strong desire to do so, and even then only go v. v. slowly. Aim to feel as if you always have a bit of energy in reserve. Easier said than done I know, especially as there's such social pressure along the "you are pregnant not ill" lines!

I don't know what I am hoping for here either! If I am pregnant, and it sticks, goodness it's going to be a very long haul. I reckon I am about 2w6days!!! There'll be a massive gap at the end of Lucinda's list and then me, hanging around at the bottom for ages!

kalidasa Mon 12-May-14 11:52:49

starry actually I'm doing 'Countries of the World'!

SassehMonsta Mon 12-May-14 12:07:38

Feeling horrendous today. If one more person asks me if I've tried ginger/chewing mint things, I'm going to scream and punch someone. Feeling nauseous 24/7 for 5 weeks (with the exception of one evening/and the following morning) and have lost 9lbs. Midwife booking in appointment in a couple of hours, hoping she can suggest stuff/prescribe meds/get doctor to prescribe needs. Can't eat, and when I do it doesn't always stay down long. Managed some soya custard this lunchtime, but only a couple of mouthfuls. [Sad]

I miss my life, and my food! Work has been lovely, as my boss has 2 kids and 4 grandkids and let's me take off as much time as I need, but it's more tricky explaining to clients. Sadly I don't have the option of working from home as documents have to stay on site/in the office. Though may look into remote access if the boss is up for it. I'm getting to the point where I'll have to go in very soon for a long catch up :-/

LucindaE Mon 12-May-14 12:37:46

Sassehmonsta You poor thing! I do hope you get some meds. Let us know how things went. I so agree with others where the people who make the ginger recommendations should put them.

kalidasa thanks for your lovely! supportive post on my pregnancy thread. It was very kind of you to take the time to write such words.

I've come here to try and get a sense of perspective and to try to alleviate my guilt that I should be able to 'just get on with it'.

I don't think I'm anywhere near needing hospital treatment so I can't imagine how some of you ladies are coping.

Some of my problems are:

I'm wakening in the night to be sick
Constant all day nausea
Gagging and retching
Find it hard to drink more than sips of water
Light dizzy head
Need help to shower blush as I find it hard to stand up for long enough to wash my hair
Have lost 10lbs in 10 weeks as I just can't tolerate food

I'm desperately trying to get through to 12 weeks to see if I really <need> medication.

I feel like I must sound so dramatic- I don't know anyone else who has suffered like this- most people have just sailed through their pregnancies. One colleague used to say how she just ran into her store to be sick and them came out and carried on teaching. Things like that make me feel so inadequate and as if I'm just a little pathetic.

Rest over the weekend has really helped though, feeling a tiny bit more human today but am still just managing to sit on the sofa.

Have teacher guilt at being off this week.

Hope no one minds me being here, I don't think I have HG, I just feel very rough.

Oklahoma Mon 12-May-14 13:04:58

Dotty that sounds pretty HGy to me!!

Please stop putting on a brave face and go see your GP for meds. They're perfectly safe to take in pregnancy so don't worry about that at all. And they will make you feel a bit better. And then if it clears up at 12 weeks yay! Nothing to be gained by just pushing through.

Everyone thanks for the advice. Have just done 2h work and now need a lie down so I think upping my work would be stupid. I just feel so guilty/useless!

Lottiedoubtie Mon 12-May-14 13:07:52

okla don't even think about working more if you are still upchucking twice a day. It's not normal and nausea and dizziness gets worse the more you do.

I'm only working (reduced hours) now because I'm so much better than I was. Only upchucking about twice a week - and then either first thing bile run or late at night because I've overdone it in the day. My nausea is controlled more or less by the meds - settled at a 3/4 out of 10 for most of the time. I'm also eating three meals a day and drinking loads of fluids.

In the bad times I couldn't contemplate work at all. I'm still exhausted and going to bed stupidly early every night. Taking home stuff very very slowly.

Please don't feel guilted into doing more than you can manage. I couldn't commute regularly, even now, don't underestimate it.