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Wading into spring with the all new shiny Posifrickentivity thread. PG after MC? Dive right in!

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SaggyOldClothCatPuss Mon 17-Feb-14 14:06:58

All comers welcome, we're a rolling thread. Newbies, middles and oldies alike, join here for hand holding, knicker checking and general batshit craziness! grin wink

squizita Mon 17-Feb-14 14:11:04

Thanks saggy! smile

kjh5 Mon 17-Feb-14 14:26:08

Thanks Saggy! <waves to Squiz and settles increasingly enlarged rear-end into the comfy chair>

Hope the others find us!

Pixielady83 Mon 17-Feb-14 14:32:47

Thanks saggy for the new thread. Eeee you've got a date! Hope you manage to keep it to yourself. They're going to assess me for induction on 7 March so I may end up a day behind you. Exciting times shame it's still 2 blooming weeks away

Good point re: the doppler ladies. I suppose I was very lucky because I always found hb very easily and compared speed against my own to ensure it was baby (and not placenta whoosh). I have to say I have only used it once since I started feeling baby move as would rather wait for mw appointments and know they are doing it properly than have a massive panic because I can't find it. However, it did help me in those few weeks.

Pixielady83 Mon 17-Feb-14 14:38:22

Argh facebook is advertising lawyers specialising in birth injury claims to me!! I do not need to have those thoughts put into my head! Also bit confused about how facebook knows I'm pregnant, I've not mentioned anything on there or even liked any baby related stuff recently angry

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Mon 17-Feb-14 14:47:55

AARGH! was starving after I left the hospital so I naughtily detoured through Mcdonalds drive through for a chicken nugget meal.
And then again for a MC flurry!
If you don't see me again it's because ive lapsed into a diabetic coma! <<no self control>>

Alb1 Mon 17-Feb-14 14:48:05

Just checking in. Just found the heartbeat with the fetal doppler for the first time smile iv watched many a tutorial video n heard just about every other sound possible a few weeks ago when I was trying (and failing) to find hb so I'm sure iv got it now! Although I no il become addicted now I can see why professionals don't like people having them at home, there kinda tricky! But my mw said they don't use them till 24 weeks here and I new I cudnt wait that long...

MrsGiraffe12 Mon 17-Feb-14 14:48:25

Thanks for the new thread saggy I'd go crazy without it!

Aoifebelle Mon 17-Feb-14 14:55:44

Cheers saggy job well done. I have made my first mn milestone - making it to a new thread. Eagerly awaiting the Nov ante natal club kicking off for my mn milestone two.

Crumbs pixie fb is evil. I would love to ditch it but every Bugger is on it. I would be a social leper.

I suppose I really should do some work today. Cannot. Be. Arsed.

ruth1104 Mon 17-Feb-14 15:03:23

Yay new thread! I must admit I find it all a bit hard to keep up with.. despite being on mumsnet obsessively ...

I made it to an actual medical appointment today! I got the flu jab and will be 6 weeks on wednesday.. Last pregnancy I made the appointment but didn't get to it.

Congratulations liesel!!! How exciting
Pixie fb knows all the pages you look at, creepily. Just being on mumsnet is enough for them to target you with baby ads. Blank them all!!

Just found out a very close friend of mine is 4 months pregnant, so was pregnant when I was wondering why she was being so crap when I told her about the mc.. And will probably be having her baby around my old dd. What a confusing whirlwind of emotions! Obviously if everything works out it means we'll be having our first babies within months of each other which would be lovely, but The Fear never goes away does it?

LondonJen Mon 17-Feb-14 15:14:37

Thanks Saggy. Feel like I'm in a special secret club knowing your top secret induction date scheme to have some peace plan. Very exciting. Outrageous news about the mcflurry mind tut tut wink Surely nuggets are allowed tho?

Pixie that's no time at all either. So excited for you all. Really gives me hope I will get a turn! I think adverts are so clever now they just pick things up from what you've been searching. Google is evil. Or cookies are. Or some combination of the two as I don't really know how it works!?

Aoife you can join me on in Lazy Cow Land if you like? I unloaded the washing machine and the dishwasher. That is literally all I can manage today and now back being a couch potato. Will get up for crisps shortly tho. Did you decide whether to ask for an early scan?

I don't know about dopplers but learning a lot here..

kjh5 Mon 17-Feb-14 15:43:13

Nerdy I felt exactly the same way as you did when I was 18 weeks so I caved and bought a doppler - a cheap one off Amazon. I knew they weren't recommended and that I might not be able to find the heartbeat and that it would probably stress me out more than it was worth. It took me a few goes to find the heartbeat (helped out by a few YouTube tutorials) but I did locate it eventually and took some comfort from that. I've only ever used it a few times. I guess I was lucky in that the baby started moving quite frequently from about 19 weeks onwards - he sits really near the front of my uterus as well so I have always been able to feel lots of strong movements. I'm still not sure whether I would recommend them tbh but it did give me some reassurance when I needed it.

Ruth congrats on getting to an appt smile It feels good to tick off the milestones!

Aoife and London I'll join you both in lazyville. I'm still in my pyjamas and my SPD is so bad I've decided I'm working from home tonight really shouldn't have tried to clean out some of the redecorating mess we've made in the communal hallway, earlier

HopefulHamster Mon 17-Feb-14 16:01:27

Despite having a decent scan this morning I have just spent an HOUR (day off work) looking up abnormal yolk sacs and small CRLs. What the hell is wrong with me? I'm not going to rest until I have an actual baby, am I?

Nerdy - I get the desire to have a doppler. I wouldn't get one, but only because I know I'd be inept at using it and would just panic more. Sigh.

LondonJen Mon 17-Feb-14 16:10:39

Ruth That is a lot to process about your friend's news. Goodness. Close babies is a lovely thought, I hope The Fear doesn't rob you of enjoying that thought too much but I know it's not easy.

Oh kjh still in your pjs? I doff my cap! Sorry your spd is spoiling your fun but yes put your feet up and enjoy a cuppa.

Whoever put that link up for first time mums btw thank you. Love the idea that if you don't feel able to do anything in the first few weeks with new born you should stay in your pjs so people expect little of you!!

Aoifebelle Mon 17-Feb-14 16:27:01

Don't know about the early scan yet Jen haven't managed to get in go see the docs. 1st appt they could offer was the middle of march so a bit late for me. Trying to get an on the day appt.

Have a banging headache today, maybe where the laziness has crept in.

I think I can skulk off home inan hour or so.

JBrd Mon 17-Feb-14 16:48:05

Oooh, new thread, nice! Thanks, saggy

Lots of stuff happening for me today, I'm struggling to stay on top of it all.
Bad stuff - just after I wrote that everything had calmed down regards brown discharge etc., I went to the loo and had red blood when I wiped. Repeatedly. I swear my heart stopped sad
Good stuff - the midwife called, and I now not only have a booking appointment next week, but also a scan on Saturday... She was lovely, I didn't even have to ask for one, she suggested it. And called me back within 5 minutes with the scan appointment.

So, one way or another, I will know where I'm at in a few days time.

LondonJen Mon 17-Feb-14 17:02:55

Good luck getting a slot Aoife

JBrd Oh gulp I feel your heart stopping thanks But how fantastic does that mw sound? I feel like you are being looked after now. You have shown such strength. I hope you have a good natter tonight and that helps too.

fedupofrainydays Mon 17-Feb-14 17:31:42

Hello shiny new thread!

Glad it went well hamster and no, I don't think any of us will relax at any point... You just move on to the next worry.

jbrd I'm so pleased the midwife rang and is proactive and you have a scan for sat. Is DH still here then so can come with you? Sorry to hear about the red blood, I can identify with the heart stopping feeling - it's horrible. Is it still going?

Pixielady83 Mon 17-Feb-14 17:38:48

jbrd really sorry to hear that. So pleased you have a proactive midwife though. Just really hope the days go past quickly for you xx

squizita Mon 17-Feb-14 18:01:17

Jbird oh that awful feeling. sad Keeping everything crossed. I dont want to say it cause we've all heard it before and its cold comfort but many women do bleed and keep the pregnancy. So glad your mW is lovely. thanks

Aoifebelle Mon 17-Feb-14 18:40:35

JBrd so sorry you are having such worries, but I am glad that you seem to be getting the care you need. Sending you sticky bean vibes, whereever you may be.

squizita Mon 17-Feb-14 19:49:26

Got my appointment at St Marys tomorrow. Quietly bricking it an improvement from running around like a panic stricken chicken although the nausea, tiredness and so forth would suggest all requisite hormones are being hormonal.

Appointment with the psych nurse the day after. Guessing she'll be able to work out why I'm scared. Hardly rocket science.

Penguinita Mon 17-Feb-14 20:00:13

Two big hoorays! One for hamster's little bean on the scan and one for saggy's due date!

Although I don't understand why you are all so keen to have your babies now. According to my pregnancy app I have 99 days to go today, down to double digits, it has given me a big wobble, I'm just NOT READY YET! maybe I never will be though

Thanks for setting up the new thread saggy.

Laughed lots at squiz's crunchy butt cereal! Sounds like a new fitness craze! grin

I had a good midwife appointment today, with a nice midwife rather then the crap one I had the last two times. Bump measuring the right size, strong heartbeat and placenta, although a bit of protein in my wee so they are sending it off to be checked for infection.

And she was really excited and supportive when I said I was considering a home birth. As it is my first, I've a had a few negative reactions from others on that. So it is nice to know the medical professionals are on my side.

bakingtins Mon 17-Feb-14 20:04:12

Hello! Found you all.

good news today for hopeful

jbrd glad you have a scan booked. Hope all discharge/spotting lets up in the meantime.

HopefulHamster Mon 17-Feb-14 20:19:29

Jbrd - will be hoping to everything that you get good news at scan. Bring on Saturday!

Squiz - and good luck for your appointment tomorrow x

Penguinita - how fortunate to get a nice midwife! They can be rare depending on where you live, urgh, wonder which one I'll get this time?

Sorry to everyone else, I am rubbish scrolling back through the thread, but hope you're all well.

scater Mon 17-Feb-14 20:20:09

Sorry all for being absent for a while. So excited for a date for you saggy. And, welcome to all newbies.

I continue to stress that movement is not always noticeable but trying not to worry too much. Scan a week on Fridaysmile

TotalShock Mon 17-Feb-14 20:39:52

So much happening on here

Liesel congratulations!

Saggy thanks for the new thread and exciting news about your date, and pixie just after that!

Hopeful so pleased your scan went well but now step away from google!

Jbrd sorry you have all this worry but thank goodness the midwife has organised a scan and you can get some answers

Still bricking it about next week so pixie, saggy, guff feel free to beat me in the race.....!

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Mon 17-Feb-14 21:11:04

Hmmm. Interesting development...
serious irregular braxton hicks all round the supermarket tonight. Proper ouchy. confused
I never really had serious ones before, mild tightening but not much else, and ive never gone into spontaneous labour, always been induced!
Although I am dying to meet Ryvita, I'd really rather she baked for another week or two! confused And between you and me, It's my work Christmas dinner on Wednesday, and the idea of trading 3 courses of all expenses paid gourmet deliciousness for an NHS meat and 2 veg makes me want to cry! confused blush sad

Emki Mon 17-Feb-14 21:29:47

Hello - just marking my spot. thank you saggy and your secret is safe with us! Thank you for sharing.

Great news penguin - I have mine tomorrow - even though I'm feeling baby move I'm still terrified. Did the midwife just feel the bump and then listen for heartbeat or did you have a scan?

Good news Hopeful - I felt the same about home doppler - was tempted, but then knew that if I couldn't find heart beat I would be freaking out and cause myself more stress.

Thinking of you 'jbrd*

Evening ladies :-)

Thanks for the new thread saggy :-) Hope your BH have calmed down.

JBird - thinking of you Hun, glad you have a supportive midwife.

We had a 4d scan yesterday - I know some people don't rate them but it was amazing!! Got to see our little miss so clearly - she is such a cutie and looks just like her big brother :-) DS was with us and he loved it - he is so excited!!

Diabetes test tomorrow so 3 fun hours at the hospital! X

Penguinita Mon 17-Feb-14 21:43:04

emki hope it goes well tomorrow. Midwife just felt and measured the bump, no more scans for me unless i do go with the home birth option, in which case I get one at 36 weeks to check Pingu is the right way round.

For those thinking about a Doppler, interestingly the midwife struggled to find the heartbeat for me today and I'm 26 weeks. I thought she had it straight away but she said that was the placenta (I couldn't tell the difference) and baby was hiding behind it, so it took a good 5 minutes to find the actual heartbeat. So maybe a caution there. However, I had a home Doppler and loved it so I'm not really in a place to advise!

Everything crossed for you jBrd.

Ooh saggy, maybe you wished too hard and now it is coming true!

GuffSmuggler Mon 17-Feb-14 22:16:21

Oooo saggy you got a date!! Am so jealous!!!!

fod27 Tue 18-Feb-14 00:35:43

jbrd thinking of you and wishing you the best possible outcome, saggy cross your legs!!! On the Doppler front I have one and love it! Especially when I fell out of the shower, I was terrified and the Doppler really reassured me, as for fetal movement I didn't feel anything post 20 weeks (anything concrete) and MW said not to worry unless I was post 22 weeks without movement - it's down to a number of things: your weight, baby's sizes, number of prior pregnancies and prior full term pregnancies. So if I was a size 6 with a large first time baby (lots of elasticity still in those stomach muscles) then hell yeahhhh I should feel it / hope that made sense

squizita Tue 18-Feb-14 07:47:09

Hi all.
Just had a 3 sips fof DHs morning coffee and 3 prunes. Feel sick. Wrong end, body... wrong end! and weirdly guilty even though 3 sips is well within the allowed amount of caffeine and I happily have a full cup of tea once a day.

Off to work, then off to scan at 3pm. DH can come today which is nice.

Saggy FX Ryvita plays nicely till after your meal!

Mummy where'd you get your 4d scan if I get past 12 weeks I am going to book a scan for the long wait and lie to myself it's a 'lifestyle' scan not me being obsessive.

Emki good luck

Penguinita that's exactly why I would be worried re a doppler. If the mw takes a while, clumsy hands here would be down at A&E nightly!

Fod That's interesting re movement times. All of that is a mystery to me, will have to ask about it at the hospital.

Jbird Still thinking of you and keeping fingers crossed.

Pixielady83 Tue 18-Feb-14 07:51:00

ooh saggy smile any progress? bet you go naturally this time. Exciting! hope you get your work dinner first though sounds lush (would like a report of the gourmet food please!)

Adding to late pregnancy symptoms, my coccynx is now swollen and very sore (old injury) sad it's so hard to sleep when everything hurts! I keep thinking new symptoms might be the start of labour and then I get an overwhelming feeling of 'but I'm so tired I don't have the energy for labour'. Does anyone else feel this way? where will it come from?? last time even though SPD was worse I was ironically sleeping better so felt quite ready for it. I feel far less calm and a lot more agitated this time which isn't helping with sleep either.

Sorry for self indulgent post ladies. Really hope those of you having a worrying time have an ok day. jbrd one day closer to that scan xxx

Pixielady83 Tue 18-Feb-14 07:53:03

hope you have a good scan squiz so nice DH can come with you smile

bakingtins Tue 18-Feb-14 07:54:51

squiz good luck today!

saggy hope ryvita stays put until after your dinner.

emki good luck for appt.

pgchimp Tue 18-Feb-14 08:17:39

Squiz good luck with scan today.

Jbrd I hope the next few days go as quickly as possible.

I have started to notice that my irrational feelings of panic are associated with not having enough sleep. I hope that doesn't bode ill for the newborn lack of sleep!

JBrd Tue 18-Feb-14 08:34:46

Good luck today to all of you who are having scans!

Saturday can't come soon enough, but on the other hand I almost wish I could stay in this bubble a bit longer, where I can just tell myself that I am pregnant, just because AF didn't show up and I poas. It's almost like this make-belief world, until you have the solid proof through the camera.
Unfortunately, my DH won't be around, he is going on a ski trip on Saturday. But my lovely friend, when I asked her if she could look after DS while I go for the scan, wasn't having any of it, so now she will come to the scan with me, and her DH (also a very good friend) will watch DS. Some people are just so nice...

Aoifebelle Tue 18-Feb-14 09:47:56

jbrd glad you are getting the support you need. I know what you mean about wanting to stay in that bubble. I was seriously considering just bumbling along pretending I am not preggers and if I happen to make it just pop into a&e when labour hits. Denial is quite a comfortable place to be. I have got a docs appt this pm, and despite wanting to delay it as much as possibe I feel oddly positive having done something other than poas to acknowledge this pregnancy.
squiz thinking of you today.

LondonJen Tue 18-Feb-14 10:42:13

Good luck with both appointments Squiz

Penguin that all sounds fab news. I understand you can have a bit of protein and it be fine..? I have no idea why I think that or where I got that from tho?? Lovely to feel mw on your side too. Important to feel supported I'd imagine.

Ooo Pixie that sounds a bit ouch, sorry hon. From chocolate! Energy for the last hurdle is surely based on at least two huge bars of wholenut? Sorry I don't know about that far down the line but I think my idea has promise!

My DP has had car problems and come home early with a gregs pasty for me!!! I think I have never loved him so much grin

fod27 Tue 18-Feb-14 11:20:06

Jbrd happy to hear you have RL support (that's a rarity from my experience) I got the head tilt and sympathetic eyes for 24 hours then I was expected to 'get over it' your very lucky to have a support system xxx

kjh5 Tue 18-Feb-14 11:40:18

Good luck today Squiz!

JBrd glad you have someone going with you to your scan, no one should have to go through that alone! How's the situation today? Any more bleeding? Sending hugs xx

Saggy your post came back to haunt me at 3am - I woke up with baaaad BH and backache (which is a new combo for me) and DH was still out getting boozed at some work function... so I had a full blown panic attack that I was going into labour and he'd be too drunk to be of any use. Needless to say, today I'm fine (apart from feeling exhausted with worsening SPD and a bad back - the preggo rage at DH is off the leash, lucky he's at work or I might kill him. Hope he has a hangover from hell)

I really need to stop panicking every time I have a twinge, I was born at 31weeks and so even although there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to expect a prem baby, I keep worrying I am going to go into labour at some point this week.

Hope you make it to the gourmet feast though saggy smile

Pixielady83 Tue 18-Feb-14 12:08:32

london grin at whole nut to fuel labour <adds to shopping list> I do have 2 bars of galaxy packed.

Had a really good physio appointment this morning, she took me and DH through lots of good birthing positions which won't aggravate SPD and showed DH good massage techniques. It was very funny watching him turn quite grey when she started explaining how forceps are used and what they need to be careful of when you've got pelvic instability. I honestly thought he might have a funny turn! then later he got in a panic about how he would massage my back if I were in the pool 'do I get in as well?' <panicked face> bless him! explained that massage is just one thing he can do to help, he doesn't have to do it for the whole labour. He's normally very confident and a bit of a know it all so I'm secretly enjoying seeing him looking a bit panicked and confused bless him grin

NerdyBird Tue 18-Feb-14 13:52:17

Hi everyone.

Hope the scan goes well squizita.
I had a lovely facial yesterday at the Elemis spa. It was really relaxing and they do a shoulder and head massage with it. I was a bit worried as the bed I was lying on was heated but I asked her to turn it off after a bit so hopefully baby won't have overheated.

Have decided to try some tips for getting the baby to move. I'm going to try very cold water and a glass of orange juice this evening, before I go to bed. I think being able to feel movement is really going to help me. As I said, I've felt some feelings that could be movement, but I'm not sure. If that doesn't work I've read that drinking Coke can help. I've not had any caffeine since I got my bfp so that will be interesting!

I was also thinking last night about the reasons why I can't stop being anxious that something has gone wrong with the baby. Apart from general anxiety from having had a MMC myself, I think it's also because I know several people in RL who have late losses. So to me it's not a rare thing to happen, it seems just as likely as anything else.

Anyway, I'll give those things a go before I order a doppler.

TeaAndANatter Tue 18-Feb-14 14:51:15

My God, I am ITCHY! Not all over in a worrying-liver way, just ripping my tummy to shreds. Didn't have this kind of stretch marks with the others, but this one is clearly determined to make its mark!
Scratchscratchscratch. Cream buys me about an hour of peace, although the most effective stuff is really stinky.

fod27 Tue 18-Feb-14 16:00:13

In agony ;( pubic bone is burning with pain ;(

Aoifebelle Tue 18-Feb-14 16:33:16

Or dear fod i have no idea of what to suggest to relieve an angry pubic bone - somehow massage doesn't seem appropriate. Does paracetamol help?

Pixie I am loving operation freak your partner out. I think you and the midwife should hatch a plan that gives him a very hands on role. Maybe perianal massage. I am loving hearing the stories of all of so near to the end.

Just back from the docs for me. It was all as expected, except I found out that my EPAU accepts self-referrals for ladies like us, which is good to know. Booking in on the 13th march. Well I suppose it is now official - I am up the duff, now I just need stay that way for the next 8 months.

LondonJen Tue 18-Feb-14 16:33:36

Pixie that all sounds very impressive and helpful. Bless your DH!

Nerdy I am quite fascinated by all the things to try, you'll have to report back with results. Am quite jealous of your facial. Sounds lovely.

Kjh you'll have to cross your legs too!

Sorry Tea and Fod you poor things.

I've been feeling sorry for myself this afternoon as the ever present nausea seems to have increased and will not let up. Normally it isn't as bad after I've eaten but I feel rotten today. Trying to be greatful that nothing is wrong. Am off chocholate and DP has decided to bake brownies. WTF? The waft of warm chocolate really isn't helping it's disgusting (does barf face as there isn't a smiley for that.) If he tries to make me eat one after being told ten times I'm off chocolate I will thwack him one.

Pixielady83 Tue 18-Feb-14 16:43:24

if your DH tries to foist brownies on you send them this way london!

nerdy that sounds like a lovely spa treatment smile I know what you mean about late losses. Two families we know have been affected and it plays on my mind. Do you have any midwife drop in clinics you can go to for some peace of mind?

tea my tummy button feels the same, it's so itchy! I'm pouring almond oil over it on a regular basis to try and ease it!

aoife grin that is a brilliant brilliant plan. Would freak him out no end grin

ahem.... where is saggy??? are she and ryvita jumping the queue? shock grin

hope ladies who had appointments got on ok today smile

Pixielady83 Tue 18-Feb-14 16:45:52

fod how about a hot water bottle to ease pain? my consultant suggested that last week as a way to ease pain.

LondonJen Tue 18-Feb-14 17:05:52

Aoife "somehow massage doesn't seem appropriate" Oh my god you make me laugh!! (So sorry Fod). Glad your appointment went well and you know you can self refer. Extremely jealous that you have your booking in date, cor! Very hopeful for us still being here in 8 months smile

allisgood1 Tue 18-Feb-14 17:37:49

Making my place. Hope all went well at your scan Squiz.

How is the spotting today jbrd?

MrsGiraffe12 Tue 18-Feb-14 18:02:57

Saggy absense could be a good sign after her Braxton hicks :-) x

Aoifebelle Tue 18-Feb-14 18:45:02

Currently engaged in new favourite activity. Candles lit, immersed in bath, mn on tablet, cold 0% bavaria at my side. Bliss.

fedupofrainydays Tue 18-Feb-14 18:47:04

So a good scan here this afternoon - 5 + 6 and it's all on the right place... Phewf. Added bonus was a little heartbeat. Wasn't expecting that! Cried with relief after. Two weeks to get through til next one....

fod27 Tue 18-Feb-14 19:05:22

aoife I've actually tried that hahaa I just stayed north ;) I've never been a fan of taking pain killers and DH threw out the hot water bottles when he discovered there could be links to mc. Nerdy I had a student that conceived after I had my MMC the poor girl ended up having a still born baby boy (she's only 19!) I had cut off all contact with anyone pregnant at the time and felt terrible when another student told me what had happened

fod27 Tue 18-Feb-14 19:08:51

aoife I did that last night, took up a decaf cappuccino and had the 'Cranberries' album on full blast whilst emerged - it was fab!!!! Aside from DD having to help me into my pjs after - the joys of SPD -

How weird will it be without saggy? Sooooo jealous

squizita Tue 18-Feb-14 19:20:17

Fod ouchy!!

Tea I'm itchy already but it's just 1st trimester sensitive skin. Delicate little flower that I am. Hope the stinky cream clears it up for you!

KJ hang on in there! Sure you'll be fine for a few more weeks.

Nerdy I know the feeling about rare things no longer feeling rare in 'our world'. Hope you get some peace of mind via your cold drinks and coke! smile

London sickness is no fun. sad Thinking of you and that weird 'reassuring but utterly vile' sensation. I sicked up scampi fry crisps yesterday: not an experience I wish to have again.

My appointment today went well. DH was late and missed the scan, which efficiently went "heartbeat, normal, normal, normal... yes all normal" phew. It was so normal the consultant passed me to a nurse who passed me over to the midwives like a regular preggers woman! Sccaaaaary new steps!

Aoifebelle Tue 18-Feb-14 19:24:34

Yeah for good scan fedup, now just waiting to hear from squiz.

Now fod are you starting rumours or is saggy definitely on her way to the facebook page?

I now must leave my bath as a) I need to pee and b) tis my turn to cook dinner.

If you have a spare bit of time you might want to read the pregnant not fiance's thread a may zing.

fod27 Tue 18-Feb-14 19:30:06

squiz that's fab news! So pleased for you! aoife I'm merely assuming heheee - Any queue jumping and there'll be trouble! ;)

Alb1 Tue 18-Feb-14 19:32:23

Nice to see there's been a few good scans and appointments today smile

Iv jus come home from work early thanks to ms coming back with a vengeance n making me throw up in the toilets, work in a public place with food so had to give up n come home, iv barly been sick this whole pregnancy so far so I'm a little sad it's come back now! Gona get out the doppler again to cheer remind myself being sick is good trying really hard not to get addicted

Evening ladies :-)

Glad all scans went well today - such fab news!!

Squiz - we had our 4d scan done at our local hospital as they offer a private scan service. My local hospital is Hinchingbrooke which is a privately run NHS hospital (if that makes sense??) so not sure if that's why they run that service. Keep an eye on sites like groupon as often they have really good 4d scan offers.

I had my glucose test today and I have gestational diabeties :-( cant believe it as I have eaten so healthly in this pregnany and my weight gain is lower than with DS. I am going back tomorrow to see the consultant and talk about treatment etc.

Fod - hope you feel better soon - sounds painful :-(

Hope everything is going okay with Saggy - eek!! Xx

JBrd Tue 18-Feb-14 20:31:18

Glad to see/read that people seem to be doing well (apart from fod, poor you!). Good scan news all around, I'm so jealous. Saturday seems a long way away...
My spotting seems to have almost stopped now, taking that as a positive sign. I feel very tired, probably from being so tense all the time. And my teeth have started hurting again, apparently I grind my teeth at night, which then results in bad tooth/jaw ache during the day.

Let's face it, I'm a nervous wreck! There, I said it!
But now I'm going to have the delicious curry that DH has cooked and then watch Game of Thrones smile

LondonJen Tue 18-Feb-14 20:41:38

Woohoo Fedup that is awesome news! I am so pleased for you smile

Squiz Ewww yuk! Do you feel any better after you have been sick? Or is it still pretty constant for you? I've yet to actually puke but after today I am starting to feel it may be on the cards. Lovely news that you are such a normal pregnant lady! I knew it! lol.

Alb1 Yukky! Least you got to go home though

Ark that is pants news. I hope it isn't too tricky to manage.

Feel so positive because of the sick feelings but I was okay this time (6+4) last time so it doesn't really reassure me. Another week till I'm in the dread zone of when I started to loose a few symptoms last time. But let's not fret about that just yet eh? I need my bed now as sleep going to be only escape from sicky feelings methinks.

squizita Tue 18-Feb-14 20:41:47

Jbird so glad it's settled. Sending you thoughts and positive vibes!

Emki Tue 18-Feb-14 21:24:30

Yes - where is Saggy???? I crossed posts with her last night - and there has been not a peep today ......

all was good with me - bump measured 26 weeks which is good, urine fine, blood pressure fine and heard baby's heart - so fast! So lovely - could have stayed there for a few hours listening ....

teaandanatter and fod sorry you're so uncomfortable - what a nightmare!

Aoife well done, and wishing you a very smooth pregnancy flowers

nerdy I had a late miscarriage, and do know one other person who had one - but compared to the amount of successful pregnancies around us it is still very rare to miscarry after 12 wks, try to hold to that. I've also heard that drinking very cold water and then lying down for 10 mins or so helps to feel the baby move. How many weeks are you? I didn't properly feel anything till 20 wks or so - my placenta is at the front so is acting as a bit of a barrier. Also loving the pampering - I'm having reflexology once a month and also have a facial to book (pressie from my sister) Can't Wait!

KJH5 lots of hand holding smile

Jbrd lots of hand holding to you too xxx

Aoifebelle Tue 18-Feb-14 21:28:17

JBrd really glad to hear it has settled again, you really have been on quite the roller coaster ride. Lets hope you just have a troublesome but sticky bean.

Squiz so glad you scan went well. It must feel good to be in virgin territory - so to speak.

Emki Tue 18-Feb-14 21:30:02

Well done squiz great news! flowers

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Tue 18-Feb-14 21:53:12

Hellooo! grin
did you all miss me? wink
No movement here. I spent the day doing stuff watching tv and the evening De fouling the kitchen.
Ryvita is still thankfully in situ and there's less than 24 hours till Christmas dinner! grin
Im the same as Fod, I feel like my pelvis is splitting on two. Also getting stabby pains in fanjo and bottom. I think maybe our babies heads might be engaged! confused
I'll have a read in a bit and catch up. smile

Penguinita Tue 18-Feb-14 22:07:28

Hooray for good scan/appointment news fedup and squiz and emki! Lots of happy news on here at the moment, it is great and long may it continue smile

I had a very good GP appointment today to discuss my SPD. The doctor had just come back from maternity leave herself and had suffered so was really sympathetic. She agreed to refer me to a physio straight away, and if the waiting list at the hospital is too long then she'll send me to a separate clinic. Result!

I also booked my maternity leave at work (11 weeks to go!) and my NHS antenatal classes and joined a home birth support group. And it is officially my first day in the third trimester. Phew, what a busy baby day grin

fod27 Wed 19-Feb-14 01:18:14

Yayyyyy saggy! oooo I do hope so!!! Wouldn't it be fab if we popped at the same time? Thanks for the well wishes ladies, also jbrd sending lots of hugs and good wishes your way, try to busy yourself (easier said than done I know) but anything that'll raid your mind off things until Saturday is good xxx

Pixielady83 Wed 19-Feb-14 08:50:19

Great news about all the good scans and appointments ladies! smile

jbrd glad things have settled again, really admire your ability to cope with this rollercoaster, hoping all stays calm now for the rest of the week xx

saggy! glad you're still here! was feeling a bit lost last night as didn't quite know what we were going to do without you!

hope you're feeling a bit less sore fod and hope sickness is better today alb

kjh5 Wed 19-Feb-14 11:12:52

Glad you are still hanging in there Saggy! More baby-baking time can only be a good thing for the baby, not necessarily the mother grin

Pixie I am uber jealous you have such a great physio! Do you find she has helped improve the SPD at all? Or at least made it more manageable? Mine told me last week there is nothing more she can do for me but will keep me on her books until 6 weeks post-birth incase I have any more issues. She really helped with my back/hip pain but seemed totally clueless about the actual SPD, saying there is nothing that can be done and I just have to deal with it. She didn't really seem to know a lot about how it could affect birth save from measuring how far apart I could have my knees... It has been really bad the past two days so I've been working from home, wondering if it is worth just paying for a private physio if there is anything that can be done?

So happy to read about all the positive scan news! And glad you are hanging in there Jbrd you are being so strong xx

Davmallem2013 Wed 19-Feb-14 11:57:12

Seems like this is the thread I need, especially for positive thoughts which I lack. Okay my due date has been given as 3rd Oct 2014. I have had 1x ruptured ectopic and 2 x MC last year so fingers crossed this will be my 1st full pregnancy.

Maybe 2014 will be my year. 6wk scan had the magic words of in uterine grin now 7wk+5, so am hanging in and generally feeling crap which I take as a good sign with some symptoms & no bleeds.

fod27 Wed 19-Feb-14 12:19:57

dav welcome! Crossing everything for a sticky bean, do you have another scan lined up? pixie very tender this morning - feels like I've pulled muscles across my lower stomach and groin area so I've succumbed and popped a pill prior to a long bath soak

Pentagon Wed 19-Feb-14 12:27:41

congratulations on the birth of your baby girl liesl! Can't wait to hear all about it, there is a postgraduate thread and a secret FB group if you're interested in joining (the latter is way more active)

great scan news ark, hamster, fedup and squiz! I hope I haven't forgotten anyone!

mummy it's great to see you back and so far along in your pregnancy!

jbrd glad the bleeding has stopped, good luck with your scan on Saturday - I have everything crossed for you (I'm also into "game of thrones" lately! total escapism, isn't it?)

aoife yay for your booking in appointment! So it's official now :-) I'm wishing you a smooth and uneventful pregnancy!

london I found your post about your grandmother's ring very moving - it's lovely that you're wearing it and it's helping you keep things into perspective

kjh5, I hope you don't go into labour this week! I doubt you will but understand why you're worried. Saying that, most women I know - including myself - have had very different pregnancies from their mothers

pixie (your post about your DH made me laugh) and saggy (enjoy your Christmas dinner tonight, it sounds lovely) you are so close and have dates to look forward to, yay!!

We are well, DD1 has just got over chicken pox, it was tricky being stuck at home for 10 days but we managed. Baby Elsie is doing well, her weight is great, she is very chatty and smiley and will be 4 months old on Sunday

hi to everyone I haven't namechecked & love to you all! x

Aoifebelle Wed 19-Feb-14 12:33:29

Some advice from a friend of mine who did a PhD in pain. 1) when weighing up taking tablets versus tolerating pain, it must be remembered that pain itself puts stress on the body, so there is risk involved in not taking those tablets as well as taking them.
2) pain pathways can become sensitized by pain. So if you don't treat the pain there is a chance you will be more likely to feel that pain in the future.
3) avoidance/prevention of pain is much more effective than dealing with pain once it's arrived. So if you are going to take a paracetamol do it early.

I think I could count on my fingers the number of tablets I take in a year, but I do now dose up early. Food for thought ladies.

LondonJen Wed 19-Feb-14 13:02:11

Welcome Dav sorry you had a tough time previously, 2014 is surely your year. You can join me in I Feel Shit club if you like?! I am 6+5 today and feeling awwwwwful. smile But yes no bleeds. So mustn't grumble.

Penguin Your day of busy baby-ness sounds great. Must make such a difference that your GP has experienced SPD.

kjh I hope you get some answers re your SPD as your physio does sound a bit limited in what she's done for you. Fingers x you can get more help from another one.

Thank you Pentagon. Awww lovely Elsie. She sounds a right cutie! Sorry about the chicken pox but guess it's best your DD has now had it.

Aoife that is very interesting. I always regret it if I don't take a painkiller immediately as the pain only ever gets worse and just end up doing it 40 mins later, which is plain daft!

I keep crying today for no reason. There is definately a baby in here.

Pixielady83 Wed 19-Feb-14 13:25:07

welcome dav really hope this is your year. You've come to the right place for posifrickingtivity smile

hi pentagon smile nice to hear from you! can't believe Elsie is 4 months already! glad you're over the chickenpox ok, it must be hard being housebound for so long.

kjh this is the first time I've seen the physio since December, it was a specific appointment to discuss birth positions. She has never done any manipulation or anything for spd, just advised on how to move and handed out belts previously so I can't say she has ever alleviated anything! she was so helpful on the positions though, if you like I can pm you some info or if it helps others next time I'm on the computer I'll post here about them. She was also v helpful regarding pain relief, she advised using gas and air earlier than you think you need it as in her experience (3 kids) it took up to half an hour for it to be effective plus it takes a while to get used to using it properly to get full effect. Therefore she said danger is if you leave it until you're really struggling with pain you won't be able to concentrate on learning how to use it and you may be breathing too shallowly etc for it to be effective. Last time I really struggled with it and felt v little pain relief from it (only confusion!) so will be putting in a bit of practice earlier on this time! glad she told me that though as otherwise I would have left it as late as possible!

aoife that is really useful information on pain relief, thanks! I've succombed to nightly paracetamol as I figured it's better to get some sleep than none.

JBrd Wed 19-Feb-14 13:56:34

aiofe I can agree with all the points about pain, expecially the third one. I ended up having to call the out of hours doctor a few weeks ago because I didn't stay on top of taking the paracetamol in time for my tooth ache. Not a good experience.
DH doesn't like taking painkillers, but I'm happy to pop the pills if necessary, no point trying to be a hero.

Pentagon Lovely to hear from you, glad that everything seems to be going well (apart from the CP, obviously). I'm a recent convert to GoT, but I love it. Only just got season 3, since we don't have Sky and don't want to rip bad quality versions of the internet, we always have to wait a whole year for the DVD to come out. Think this time I'll try to find a friend with Sky who has a DVD recorder...

Welcome dav Here's hoping that 2014 is our year! My EDD is Oct 4.

Sorry for all of you suffering with SPD. I only had it very mildly with DS, and only towards the end, but that was bad enough!

Spotting has stopped completely now, yay! And I'm very proud of myself for dragging myself to the gym last night grin Really achey now, but it was worth it, just to get rid of some of the tensions.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Wed 19-Feb-14 14:29:00

PGP sufferers, have you considered an osteopath instead of a physio? I know a great one, who sadly I can't afford who friends have had great results from.
Pentagon Keep some seats warm, there's a few of us on our way up to post grads! smile
Dav fingers crossed for you. Hang on to the fact that each and every one of us has had at least one loss, we all understand and take a look at the stats list and check out all of our thread babies. smile This is a great thread to be on. x

NerdyBird Wed 19-Feb-14 14:30:06


really pleased for the good scans fedup and squiz, and glad to hear spotting has stopped jbrd.

Last night I tried drinking a cold glass of orange juice and a cold glass of water. I had both, and then lay down for a bit. I think I might have felt something. It was hard to tell as for some reason I felt like my heart was pounding when I lay down, and it almost felt like I could feel my own heart beating in my stomach! But I did feel a few flutters and pops which is what I've felt before. I think I also felt them today when out having a hot chocolate. I had to leave our office as there was a horrible chemical smell throughout our floor and I didn't want to sit in it. It's gone now though.

So tonight I will try drinking some cold coke. Hopefully I won't get the pounding, that was really odd.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Wed 19-Feb-14 14:33:50

PGP sufferers, have you considered an osteopath instead of a physio? I know a great one, who sadly I can't afford who friends have had great results from.
Pentagon Keep some seats warm, there's a few of us on our way up to post grads! smile
Dav fingers crossed for you. Hang on to the fact that each and every one of us has had at least one loss, we all understand and take a look at the stats list and check out all of our thread babies. smile This is a great thread to be on. x

Pixielady83 Wed 19-Feb-14 15:38:10

saggy I used a chiropractor after my first pregnancy to put me back together and in my mmc pregnancy when spd started super early but I've got a bit of a mental block about it now after the mmc. I know rationally it won't have had anything to do with it but the 2 are linked in my mind now. I have been given the details of a good local osteopath though so will probably book in after baby to be put back together. I just don't fancy anything too physical while baby is inside smile

kjh5 Wed 19-Feb-14 16:43:16

Nerdy that's exactly how the movements first felt for me grin at the beginning I didn't always feel them regularly because the baby isn't that big and it all depends on the way they are facing etc but once you've identified them you'll notice they get stronger as the weeks go on. Now mine gives me such a booting my entire tummy jumps and wobbles - much to DH's amusement!

saggy hadn't thought about an osteo... I had one for my back problems but they didn't really do that much. Might be an option though! Can anyone tell me if there is anything to worry about with SPD and birth? Is it more of a positional pain management thing or could you damage the joint further in the process?

Just had an email from HR helpfully informing me I'm supposed to be maternity leave from... today. Given that they've so far managed to screw up every detail of this process (including setting up the incorrect mat leave payments) I strongly suspect their calculations are up the creek and I need to stay at work for another week at least!

MrsGiraffe12 Wed 19-Feb-14 17:03:27

Afternoon all. Glad to see we're all well :-)

Pregnancy symptoms are back full force today, feeling sick as a dog and so very tired. It's half term though which probably has something to do with it!

Have my scan on wednesday next week and am shitting a brick about it.
My last pregnancy was a missed miscarriage so I'm so scared they will scan me and there will be nothing there / will be behind dates / will be dead etc.

DH thinks I'm crazy as I'm showing already (11+3 and normally a size 14 but 5 foot 3) he's convinced it's going to be boy/girl twins. Usually if people say things like that I dismiss them but DH is very accurate. Out of the last 20 people we know to have babies, he's got the gender right 9 times, even when one girl was told she was having a girl he was insistent she would have a boy and she did. He predicted DS right and at the start of the last pregnancy he said he had a bad feeling and boom, miscarriage.

Just a overly worried mum to be. Going to ask the scanning lady to tell me ASAP if the baby has a heart beat and is right size so I can relax xx

MrsGiraffe12 Wed 19-Feb-14 17:04:24

Sorry that should say out of the last 10 people not 20 lol x

wigwam33 Wed 19-Feb-14 17:08:05

Can I join?

Only 7 weeks pg but have had 2mc and 1mmc in the past 18mths. Really want this one to work out and of course only my OH knows I'm pg at this stage, so feeling a bit isolated. Can't bring myself to book appt with midwife / for scan, I'm terrified. Is that normal?

MrsGiraffe12 Wed 19-Feb-14 17:14:22

wigwam welcome to the group. We're all as crazy and worried as each other so you will fit right in ;-)

So sorry of your losses :-(

Everything your saying is totally normal and understandable given what you've been through xx

wigwam33 Wed 19-Feb-14 17:23:26

Thank you MrsG much appreciated!

squizita Wed 19-Feb-14 17:49:47

Hi all! Appointment with the psych nurse went well. She reckons, unsurprisingly, that I have anxiety following recurrent miscarriage. She thinks I will respond well the CBT as I'm a sensible person who likes to do purposeful things. smile

Met my mum for lunch afterwards - salt beef from Selfridges ooh lala (being anxious queen obvs I checked, yes pastrami and salt beef is allowed) which I promptly threw up in Selfridges bog. Classy!.

Pixielady83 Wed 19-Feb-14 19:22:04

squiz that's so good your psych appointment went well, I hoped you would find it better than expected. I've heard really positive things about CBT (and know a couple of friends are on waiting list for it) so hopefully that will really help smile

welcome wigwam that's a totally normal response, it is so hard to be calm about starting a new pregnancy after any loss let alone multiple mcs. Really really hope this pregnancy goes smoothly for you.

Pixielady83 Wed 19-Feb-14 19:24:20

Also, mrsgiraffe can I just say your DH has an impressive track record for guessing gender!

and penguin very interested to hear more about your homebirth plans. It's something that in an alternate universe I would have loved to try, it sounds so lovely.

fod27 Wed 19-Feb-14 19:35:28

Ok ladies massively swollen feet and hands starting to swell - I've not been on my feet at all for days because of SPD - should I get it checked?

Aoifebelle Wed 19-Feb-14 19:51:44

* Fod* get the midwives on the blower. Sounds like a medical opinion would be useful.

Newbies welcome. Pull up a chair, spill your anxieties. You will get support when you need it (e.g. scan tomorrow and you are freaking out) you may also occasionally get slapped with a wet fish (e.g. I've eaten a prawn cocktail crisp and think I may have damaged the baby).

mrsgirafe I too am pondering twinnage. I have too much of a gut to be showing yet but I am pretty sure I can feel my uterus already. My Tits also look as though they are gearing up to feed a football team.

MrsGiraffe12 Wed 19-Feb-14 19:52:04

pixielady I know right. I never normally would believe "psychic" stuff but he's always damn accurate with babies it's scary x

Davmallem2013 Wed 19-Feb-14 21:56:45

Thanks for all the good wishes, it's nice to read positive stuff & know I am not crazy by myself grin. I will definitely join you in the I Feel Shit club london, I am coming down with my second cold in two months. I haven't got another scan lined up yet fod my EPAC clinic were utter crap this time round refusing to book me in advance (I work shifts so can't get time off easily), ended up paying private for my 6 wk one, will prob pay for another in a few wks as it was so much nicer ( & not internal which is always a bonus). Have never got this far before so have no idea what I am supposed to do or have confused

fod27 Wed 19-Feb-14 23:19:20

dav that's really pants! Is there no way you can go private? There are lots of scan places about - we paid £50 for ours - best £50 we ever spent xx

fod27 Wed 19-Feb-14 23:21:22

Sorry dav just reread your post - ignore my last comment ;( totally agree tho we found it far more comforting with the private place and felt really taken care of

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Wed 19-Feb-14 23:52:56

Fod have you been checked out? Please do.

fod27 Thu 20-Feb-14 00:04:28

No not yet saggy one foots bigger than the other but I'm going to go the Drs tomorrow I think, I visited MIL today and she took one look at me feet and exclaimed "they are really swollen etc that's worried me most

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Thu 20-Feb-14 00:26:09

Do you feel ok otherwise? Dizzy, faint, nauseous, headache?

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Thu 20-Feb-14 00:35:09

If you get any of those id speak to the midwife as soon as. And definitely in the morning.

fod27 Thu 20-Feb-14 00:35:17

A tiny bit of 'offness' but I had pork and mushroom stroganoff for tea at my mums (never had it before so out it down to that) non of the rest tho - I've taken a pic but not sure how to upload it

fod27 Thu 20-Feb-14 00:39:23

Thanks saggy I'm defo going to see the Dr tomorrow I think

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Thu 20-Feb-14 00:50:00

Good. [Smile]
Im posting this eclampsia link, not to scare you but so that you know what to look out for. Xx

bakingtins Thu 20-Feb-14 07:35:07

Welcome wigwam and dav

fod hope you are ok and are seeing the doc or MW today.

jbrd hang in there, not long until Saturday.

Hi to everyone else! can't keep up with you all, chatty lot.

Aoifebelle Thu 20-Feb-14 07:41:00

Yeah second mn milestone, there is a november ante-natal club, only two people on it so far, but all the same, they are due the month after me.

Woke up definitely wanting a reassurance scan. I am terrified of getting to 12 weeks and being told there is nothing there. I just don't think I would ever trust my body again. Now just need to persuade the epau or cough up. Anyone know good/cheap private scan places in london?

fod get thee to the docs.

fedupofrainydays Thu 20-Feb-14 07:46:18

Stressing today - does anyone else get night sweats? I only associate those with my mc and after birth of my son....

Hope you are ok fod

pgchimp Thu 20-Feb-14 08:15:30

welcome to the newbies. pull up a chair and don't be afraid to share anything, between us, one of us will have thought it/ experienced it before. here's to very uneventful pregnancies.

nerdy I have definitely experienced the heavy pounding heart. I find it us worse when lying on my back, which you might have been if trying to feel movement. Try propping yourself up on a couple of pillows so your heart is higher than your abdomen, it seems to calm mine down.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Thu 20-Feb-14 09:44:49

back at the hospital this morning for an ultrasound and to see the GD team.
The lovely consultant at the US saw how sore my PGP was and mentioned being bolted back together with a metal plate post delivery! confused But that this might cause problems with subsequent births! hmm I may have told him to bog off! grin
He then told me that in Africa, where CS is a high risk op, if a woman's baby has a big head; they actually cut or separate the symphysis pubis during the birth to aid delivery!!! shock shock
Cheered me up no end that did! grin

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Thu 20-Feb-14 09:45:30

Fod I hope you are ok and are getting checked out today. xx

HopefulHamster Thu 20-Feb-14 10:11:50

Fedup - I get them too. But also, they make me worry. Googling says they are commonish in pregnancy.

But I am generally being a negative so-and-so today. Spent all of last night googling measuring behind in IVF pregnancies and read some positive stuff but a lot of sad stories too. I just have a horrible feeling that I will have to wait five weeks for bad news at a 12 week scan. Almost every day I'm googling new reasons why it might go wrong. I wish I could relax, but I also feel like I need to be prepared. I'm sure if I had more symptoms I wouldn't feel like this - I have to remind myself I had very little when I was pregnant with my son, though.

Pixielady83 Thu 20-Feb-14 10:12:34

morning ladies. fod hope everything checks out ok at the Drs.

fedup sorry I haven't experienced night sweats but it could well be an entirely normal hormonal symptom as there is so much going on in early days so try not to panic too much (easier said than done I know).

Aoife yay for another milestone smile birth clubs are awesome, I've lost touch with my one for DD sadly and didn't feel brave enough to join one this time which I regret now. Hence bleating on here all the time, sorry guys grin

saggy I feel a bit wobbly hearing about that plate and African deliveries, never heard of that before!

Worst night sleep yet. Partly because of spd pain and partly I was just so hot and uncomfortable and I can't stay still in one position so I move and it hurts more. Soon I'll feel this tired every day though. So scared of the forthcoming sleep deprivation <bleary eyed emoticon>

fod27 Thu 20-Feb-14 10:39:04

Thanks for the link saggy I'm trying to get in this afternoon with my GP my MW hasn't answered her phone for days or returned my msgs. Sorry to hear the sonographers dramatic approach to your condition saggy - I don't know what I've had done

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Thu 20-Feb-14 10:51:41

Fod can you phone delivery or Antenatal? There are several different numbers on my notes.
ironically, im now on pre eclampsia watch! my BP has been creeping slowly up! confused
I wasn't worried about what the consultant says, he was just messing about! I actually feel better about PGP now! it could be a lot worse!

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Thu 20-Feb-14 10:54:33

Hamster step AWAY from google! RIGHT now! wink
you'll just try more and more searches, Google more and more random stuff and end up scaring the beejesus out of yourself! not that I'd know or anything wink

fod27 Thu 20-Feb-14 11:13:07

Funny you should say that saggy my last MW app revealed some protein in my urine and my BP was 100/74 (don't know what that means tho) plus the additional weight I've put on. I've opted for the Drs with it being half term - I have DS and DD at home and DH is at work, hoping the Drs will buy me some time to put childcare in place

Davmallem2013 Thu 20-Feb-14 11:19:21

aoifebelle if you google 'early pregnancy scan london private' you should get a good amount of choices and see what is nearest most list their prices. I paid £90 for mine in Kent but I could have got it for £50, however with my history I went with the dearer one mainly for the Dr and for location. It's a whole better world than the scans I had on my others & very reassuring. My GP also ended up telling me about the place I went too due to my history & this particular Dr's specialty. Good luck smile

LondonJen Thu 20-Feb-14 11:21:10

Hello wigwam I hope you have found some comfort here already and will soon find the strength to make your appointments. I don't feel alone now because I can come on here, you will find handholding a plenty.

Aoife I have been eating prawn cocktail crisps all week. I think my baby will now be a girl because the packet is pink. No? grin Glad you feel decided about a scan, someone must have recommendations...

Squiz I am so pleased your appointment went well and should be helpful. I had CBT in my teens and found it helpful.

Fod how is the swelling?

Dav Sorry about your cold. I was losing a cold just as I got pregnant and the dregs of it are still hanging around now. It's very tiring. I would like to stop buying tissues at some point.

Nerdy how did the coke go? Sounds like you're onto something if kjh experienced similar. Exciting!

Fedup I have had them when not pregnant. Waking up soaked is no fun. I never knew why it would happen assumed it was hormones but that is just my answer to most things.

Hopeful Step away from google!! I have visions of us all wresting your computer from your hands!

Hello everyone else. Lot going on here this morning. I feel so much better than I did the last two days so of course I am now trying not to worry that the nausea symptom has gone. After mmc this is not easy. But trying SO hard to just be happy I do not feel sick. Oh no wait hang on... I do, I do feel a bit sick again! Lol Agggh! sigh.

kjh5 Thu 20-Feb-14 12:04:16

FRUCK saggy! no more SPD-related horror stories please crosses legs tightly I'm having a nightmare with it being so bad today!

Aoife I booked a scan with Ultrasound Direct, they were the cheapest I found in London at £99. However there are EPUs who will scan you for free for 'anxiety' reasons. St Georges in Tooting is self referral and works on a first come first served basis between 9am and 11.30am. I only ever went there due to bleeding but the MW told me they would have done a reassurance scan regardless - and its free! I know there are other trusts around London who have walk-in EPUs and one mythical one which is open all day (somewhere in west London). Worth maybe phoning one of them up and saying you can't cope with the anxiety of not knowing after previous MC and will they reassure you?

Fod hope you getting on ok and will have everything sorted with the GP. If it makes you feel any better my hands, legs and feet have been swollen something chronic the past few days and I was told it is fairly normal for this stage of pregnancy... Also a BP of 100/74 is a very good, normal reading. High blood pressure is considered getting consistent readings of 140/90, so at least your last reading was a good 'un

Hopeful STEP AWAY FROM GOOGLE! It's evil and will only diagnose horror and despair! DH actually confiscated my laptop in the first trimester because I was actively searching for things that could go wrong and getting myself in a right state. After a few days cold turkey I never went back. I was a calmer, less stressed pregnant woman because of it.

Welcome to all the newbies! TODAY YOU ARE PREGNANT grin lovely to have you here xx

fod27 Thu 20-Feb-14 12:17:05

london it's not as bad today but I didn't realise it was bad until strangers and family started to point it out so who knows lol, kjh thank you for that I find that very reassuring it's all just data to me

HopefulHamster Thu 20-Feb-14 12:54:35

Dear everyone, I know! I'm such a Google fool, and the worst thing is I know what I'm doing! I guess I'm expecting the worst, and trying to find out what flavour of bad it might be. It's stupid!

And yes not only 'today I am pregnant' but also 'pregnant until proven otherwise'. We can do it!

NerdyBird Thu 20-Feb-14 12:57:11

Hi all

I tried the coke last night. It's the first caffeine I've really had since being PG. It made me feel a little shaky and it certainly made my tummy grumble! But that was audible, and higher up. I definitely felt some more flutters lower down. They feel more internal as well if that makes sense.
I was a bit more propped up as pgchimp suggested and that helped with the pounding heart.
I'm quite hopeful of it being movement. I might try the cold water again, as now I'm worried about stressing the baby with an onslaught of caffeine!

I think I've felt the same things again today, after breakfast but not really sure.

Yesterday was a bit surreal as my DP was showing me lots of things he's picked out on very.co.uk for the baby (they have a sale on) and I've deliberately not been looking at anything baby related, just seems so odd that I might actually have one!

fod you should deffo get checked out.
Welcome wigwam - this is a great thread for support.

fod27 Thu 20-Feb-14 14:58:35

Guess what's closed??

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Thu 20-Feb-14 15:46:38

GP surgery?
Your cervix?
The M11 between Nottingham and Lands End?

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Thu 20-Feb-14 15:48:07

<<pulls self together>>
ok. If it's the GP, I really think you ought to ring one of the numbers on your notes. smile

fod27 Thu 20-Feb-14 16:17:07

It's the GP saggy you do make me bloody laugh!

LondonJen Thu 20-Feb-14 16:44:24

Nerdy your DP sounds so sweet picking things out. Certainly sounding very real with all the flutters as well smile

He he saggy. Hope all is okay Fod

So I want to ask you all about your boobs! 2nd and 3rd trimester ladies, is this true? On the mumsnet calendar for week 8 it says your boobs will finish their growth spurt and not get any bigger until the end of the pregnancy. That just sounds a bit unlikely to me? I've already gone up a cup size and I'm only 7 weeks. Will that really be it? What has been your experience pse? thank you

squizita Thu 20-Feb-14 16:49:06

I'm a bit further on, coming towards the last stretch of T1 (wow!) London but they still seem to be a-growing. And veiny. And my nips have gone prune coloured/wrinkly. MN also said sickness peaks at 8 weeks then reduces lies all lies in my case.

Pixielady83 Thu 20-Feb-14 16:53:50

not sure about boobs but my chest size has definitely gone up in last tri london, I moved up a band size around 30 wks.

NerdyBird Thu 20-Feb-14 17:00:31

My boobs haven't grown all that much.
I had to change bra size up two sizes but I suspect I wasn't wearing the right size to begin with. They feel firmer and are a lot more sensitive/painful, especially the nipples. Nipples have gone a funny colour and seem bigger too.
I've had to switch to wearing crop tops as underwires were too uncomfy. I'll be wearing an underwire at the weekend cos we're going to a wedding and my dress will look odd without one.

kjh5 Thu 20-Feb-14 17:44:45

That's interesting London although not my experience, I seem to have gone up two cup sizes through the 2nd tri and up a band size so far the 3rd it wasn't as if my boobs weren't big enough to begin with. I'm fervently praying they don't get any bigger! I'll echo what the others have said nip-wise, they get bigger, darker and mine were unbearably itchy and then unbearably painful throughout the second tri... the itch was the worst!

Nerdy sounds like you have a wriggler in there! It's lovely when the kicks get stronger... although my sprog has literally not stopped wriggling for the past 18 hours. Infact, he is going bloody ballistic in there, kept me awake all night and has been kicking/punching/stretching and hiccuping non stop all day. I'm not sure if this is normal or if he is making his displeasure at the lack of space in there known loud and clear!

Fod you managed to speak to anyone?

LondonJen Thu 20-Feb-14 17:53:40

Thank you for all the sharing! I wouldn't normally ask people about their boobs (honest!) but you've all been so welcoming I feel I can ask you anything so it's your own faults!!

I was expecting to have to go up another size in the next few weeks but then I doubted myself when I read that. Like it seems from your replies tho it must be different for everyone surely.

I am having a lot of opposing thoughts about the next 3 weeks, from packing a bag in case of emergency rush to a&e like last time -this time I will have a change of clothes- to buying some maternity jeans to fit my bloated carbfilled tum and as I say another bra. I like to think the swinging back and forth between the 'good' and 'bad' thoughts somehow creates a balanced mind. Ha ha really I am as batshit crazy as this thread suggests!

squizita Thu 20-Feb-14 17:57:57

Having a wobble: feeling a pain/discomfort when I move suddenly/walk at the moment. It's very mild. Muscular and right down low at the front of my abdomen, stretching right across the front. sad Anything like this reminds me of the cramp/period style pain I got before my losses (though it is slightly different).
Hope it's my muscles and organs re-organising themselves (I'm at 10+5 days). Also as per, I have constipation and wind gurgling around causing discomfort.

LondonJen Thu 20-Feb-14 18:13:23

Aw Squiz sorry you're feeling wobbly. I don't blame you. My low down pain from when things went tits up was 'grinding' and very specifcally one place (think was cervix) not spreading I hope that maybe helps a bit. I'm glad that whilst it is a reminder it does feel slightly different. Aren't the changes between weeks 9-12 the fastest growth of the whole preg (or something)? xxx

wigwam33 Thu 20-Feb-14 18:40:47

LondonJen my boobs grew massively in the 2nd trimester last time - -definitely not finished by 8 weeks. Everyone commented on boobs first, not even bump!

Pixielady83 Thu 20-Feb-14 18:42:32

squiz that sounds like round ligament pain, I think it usually hits 2nd trimester? nothing to worry about, just things stretching- probably worth taking some paracetamol for though.

squizita Thu 20-Feb-14 18:55:22

Thanks Pixie and London - yeah it feels stretchy, so it may well be. MW said in terms of development I was 'into week 11 territory' on Tuesday, so fx it's things stretching! Or it could be new and exciting farts developing (I tried some hard fried eggs for tea, just to make sure it's maxi-smelly).

Penguinita Thu 20-Feb-14 19:56:15

londonjen my boobs seem to grow in spurts, after about 12 weeks they stayed the same for most of the second trimester. But they have just started growing and hurting again so I need new bras desperately bloody M&S measuring woman is never there when I go in

squiz I understand your anxieties. Our bodies do such strange things when we are pg and cause us worry. I was convinced I was having another MC at about 10 weeks with severe abdominal cramping, I called the doctors in a total panic, then did a massive trump and it all went away. Forgot I had baked beans for tea the night before grin blush

pixie my home birth plans are not very well formed yet! I have vague ideas of hiring a pool and a tens machine. Hoping to find out more at the home birth support group in a few weeks time (slightly worried about the mess). My sister and a good friend both had their first babies at home and loved it, and I know that I can always change my mind at any point and go to the hospital.

Welcome to all the newbies, come and join all of us batshit crazy ladies and remember today you are pregnant! Which is brilliant and amazing!

LondonJen Thu 20-Feb-14 20:34:54

Lol wigwam !! I can see that happening to me!

Penguin that sounds very bloody annoying re measuring woman. I am getting vexed just looking online. Excellent baked bean story!

ruth1104 Thu 20-Feb-14 21:20:10

london I have that concern too, today my bras definitely don't fit any more.. if I wait til 8 weeks like the book says will my boobs cooperate? How many bra sizes have people gone through!?
fod hope you've seen a doctor!
Having a bit of a wobble today.. My symptoms have either disappeared or I've gotten used to them, a couple of times lately I've (very briefly) forgotten that I'm pregnant! So, the the thought process goes, if my brain can forget I'm pregnant can my body? Is it going to disappear. Now I write that down I can see how nuts it is...Fish slap please... :S

squizita Thu 20-Feb-14 21:27:06

Ruth I had moments like that. Then scampi-fries-sick and boobs like veiny balloons happened. Some days are more symptomy than others. smile

fod27 Thu 20-Feb-14 23:14:49

ruth unfortanetly no I haven't ;( I've confined myself to the sofa with a Italian (meal not a man) and finished the evening with a long soak

I have gone from a 34 C to a 36DD and I'm spilling over still! I'm still to have my milk come in post labour and again 3 days later so I'm preparing to get a proper fitting at BHS once they have settled and I'm in the full breast feeding swing - there's one bonus tho, they take the focus off your huge post pregnancy bottom! Small mercies and all that, also I had the "I don't feel pregnant anymore" mood swings.
They are very scary especially as my MC was a MMC and on the day of our dating scan (when it was discovered we had lost bean) I recall telling DH how well I was feeling and that I didn't even feel pregnant! So of course this time I was in a right flap! I squeezed my breasts for colostrum, ate anything gross or stinky to induce nausea and prayed for wind!

It's weird that this is now our normality but your not alone ruth I will send you some kipper and mackerel slaps! That may bring on some nausea too xxx

Aoifebelle Thu 20-Feb-14 23:18:39

Have bagged myself a scan on Wednesday. Sister coming with.

Totally cream crackered.

fod27 Thu 20-Feb-14 23:43:16

Yayyyy for the scan date aoife

Lottystar Thu 20-Feb-14 23:51:17

Hi ladies, congratulations on your pregnancies, I'm hoping to pick your brains or get some advice. I'm now just over 9 weeks and seriously stressing. I had a miscarriage at approx 6 weeks in late Oct. I'm sure you'll all appreciate it is horridly upsetting and has completely changed my experience and expectations of pregnancy. Every time I go to the loo I expect to see pink discharge or bleeding. I worry with cramping, which I know are generally normal. I'm googling symptoms far too much and even keep checking my pulse to make sure it's still elevated. My first two pregnancies were fine and I was so complacent before the mc. Now I'm just so frightened of the 12 week scan incase it's a mmc. I'm not sure how I'd cope with it. I did have a private scan at 7 weeks for reassurance and saw the little one's heartbeat but I'm still so anxious. This all reads as a bit indulgent so apologies but I just wonder how you all deal with pregnancy after mc? Is there anything you've found which helped you lessen anxiety? Thanks x

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Fri 21-Feb-14 00:04:41

Having a real wobble tonight. When I saw the consultant this morning we were discussing pre eclampsia and diabetes and he said how did I feel about a crash section if it was needed at any point, and if anything did go wrong, do I want baby to be resuscitated. hmm Obviously the answer is do anything and everything.
I really don't know if this is par for the course with PE and GD or whether he was referring to her problems. It didn't really hit me till I started thinking about it all this afternoon, and tbh even if it's the latter, this is the first bit of possible negativity we've come up against and I really need to get used to it, but it really has taken the wind out of my sails. But I appear to have lost the plot.
I cant decide if it's just hormones, birth brewing imminently, blood sugar or all of the above, but im suddenly really fearful. sad I feel more worried now than at any stage so far!
can somebody tell me to buck up please? blush

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Fri 21-Feb-14 00:08:38

Hey Lottie, as you can see, blush worrying on this thread is quite normal. Have a good read and don't worry. You are not alone. Each and every one of us has been through the same thing. Just try and hang on to your sanity for a little longer. 12 weeks will soon be here. x

fod27 Fri 21-Feb-14 01:21:45

lottie if your going to google (tut tut, finger wagging etc) and we all do make sure you stick to official sites such as N.I.C.E or NHS that way your sure to get actual medical advice and professional opinions as opposed to emotional women taking a stab in the dark. Also the stats after seeing a heartbeat are really positive! I think (again don't quote me) it's around 70% chance of a viable pregnancy, this increases with each week so by 12 weeks it's around 95%

I too had two problem free pregnancies before my MMC and it hit me like a tonne of bricks! It was all so inconceivable (ignorance had been bliss) my outlook was this 'if it happened again we were one step closer to answers and I'd it didn't great!' Try to find something positive in each experience eg at least you know you can get pregnant - hope that helped

saggy I too am fearful of the birth (due to baby size) my main concern is her shoulders becoming lodged in my pelvis and we have had to discuss the chance of a CS - obviously our worries are minuscule in comparison but try to remember it's more of a liability thing (they have to cover every eventuality) think back to our MCs / when we had our D and C's and they told us we could die, they could rupture our uterus etc? It's all part of the same cycle. Use it as a opportunity to discuss the possibility and to create a very specific birth plan - remember when Ryvitta was diagnosed? They gave you all those facts, figures, tests etc.... How far has she come? How much have you both defied the odds the be here now? Your both our wonder women and if anyone can pull this off it's you two! Ccc

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Fri 21-Feb-14 04:07:29

Thanks lovely.smile I know I need some perspective, it just really threw me. All I could think of was the word resuscitation. We're so close now, if anything went wrong... sad
However my issues are no more relevant than yours! I think each and every one of us is a wonder woman, purely for doing this without going entirely bonkers!
What is the fodlet weighing in at so far?

GardenWorm Fri 21-Feb-14 06:15:38

Hey Saggy it sounds like the consultant was a bit insensitive when he said it??? Just going through the motions and ticking all the boxes from his perspective but it's not for you is it? A perfectly understandable wobble IMO, amazed you didn't do it at the time - no one would want to be asked about the resuscitation of their baby. Think of it as better to wobble now whilst ryvita is safely tucked away indoors than store it up. Big hugs, hope you got some sleep and are feeling a bit less jelly this morning? Can't wait to hear about Ryvita making an appearance xxx

Aoifebelle Fri 21-Feb-14 06:54:14

saggy I think that sounds like a consultant covering all the bases, but maybe not being as sensitive as they could have been. I must have missed something, what has ryvita been diagnosed with?

You are so near the end now, bound to be a fee wobbles before getting over the final hurdle.

fod27 Fri 21-Feb-14 07:01:53

saggy I'd have been a mess, but I'm a very emotional person (my star sign is cancer you see) I've always thought that with anything of that nature there should be a room where you can be sent to divulge that information, have a brew, pull yourself together and prepare a list of questions that you may have for that particular consultant. My mum saw a specialist last week and it was only once she had arrived back home and tried to piece the days events together that she realised all the questions she had - she was very good though and did not google!

Your particular journey has touched so many of us and I think all the women on here would agree that your bravery cannot be surpassed. My bean has been predicted to be 10lb plus, my DS was 8lb 9 (which was a nice weight) DD 9lb 4 which shocked the midwife at the time due to lack of swearing, drugs and tearing (although I was like one of those OBEM women that had been instructed not to embarrass herself this time) and as she has been plotted on the 90th centile at each appointment that's whst they think ooouuuicccchhhh! My mum was hoping they'd induce me before that but it doesn't look likely

fod27 Fri 21-Feb-14 07:06:26

PS sending lots of posifrickintivity your way saggy and hugs, flowers oh and how about those chip and mayo butties you crave? Keep your chin up huni - your nearly there xxxxx

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Fri 21-Feb-14 07:29:05

Aoife Ryvita has Downs Syndrome and a large but apparently very fixable hole in her heart. We found out months ago now and it's all become very run of the mill. Everyone has been amazingly supportive, friends, family, medics, MNers, its a bit of a shock when I actually have to 'think' about it. confused
We have been told to expect her anytime from now to term, early is common with DS, and given my emotional state, the completely out of character scrubbing ive been doing and the general aches and pains ive been getting, sooner rather than later wouldn't surprise me. confused

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Fri 21-Feb-14 07:37:56

Thanks for the chip butty Fod. grin Its top of my 'could murder but absolutely mustn't eat' list atm. sad
10 lb does seem a lot, but its also incredibly common nowadays! And given your 2 other larger ones AND the fact that growth predictions are often highly inaccurate, im sure you're just getting the worst case scenario like me. In the morning light I can see that they need to cover themselves. its just flipping scary to be on the receiving end. I suppose at least we are talking eminently deliverable, everyone will be right as rain once it's over, babies, and not being faced with the worst case scenario of some potentially life threatening illness. <<counts our blessings>>

fedupofrainydays Fri 21-Feb-14 08:01:04

saggy I had no idea, about ryvita's hole in the heart or her DS. Preg after mc is hard enough but then hit with all this worry, and now with the scaring from doctors - I too think they are just covering all bases - like fod said in relation to erpc with burst bladders and all sorts. C-section babies often need help breathing / clearing out the mucous as something doesn't happen like it does with a vag birth. In my opinion, if doctors were genuinely concerned they would do a planned c section.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Fri 21-Feb-14 08:05:40

Its ok Fedup we found out months ago and it was all on here, just several threads ago. smile
tbh I just see her as my baby. The rest is all just other stuff. I know they cover all bases, im just tired and hormonal right now. A lethal combination in my house! wink grin

MrsGiraffe12 Fri 21-Feb-14 08:05:46

saggy you've amazed me with how strong you've been. I came across your original posts when researching with a friend, as she was given a high risk of having downs syndrome too. This has also been confirmed and her son is due any time around the 4th march so similar to you I think. You seem so matter of fact about Ryvita now , and very excited to meet her :-)

I think the attitude of the consultant is "normal". I had the same when my son was born 6 years ago. He was 2 months early due to PET and weighed 2lb 12oz. He developed meningitis in special care and I was asked whilst he was off having his lumbar puncture if I wanted to sign a DNR order (do not resuscitate). I was horrified and said of course I would, he's my baby and I'd rather do anything to have him here than not.

But to ask a mother who's traumatised about something a question like that is out of order in my opinion x

MrsGiraffe12 Fri 21-Feb-14 08:07:21

That should read would NOT sign the DNR x

Aoifebelle Fri 21-Feb-14 08:19:23

Dito what Giraffe and Fod says. I had no idea you were facing these extra challenges on top of the worry about MC. This must have been a loooooong nine months for you - but hopefully the end is nigh and then it will all have been worth it.

I am in full on preggo rage. All things computer are total shite. I am tired and hungry and angry and think I should prob not go to work today. GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

fedupofrainydays Fri 21-Feb-14 08:19:49

OMG was the doctor asking whether or not you wanted to resuscitate your baby or not?? How horrible! I know I wouldn't be able to sign a DNR too.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Fri 21-Feb-14 08:24:30

Oooh! Stay home and watch TV! Tell them your morning sickness is bad! wink grin Eat lots of crap for me! grin

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Fri 21-Feb-14 08:26:27

You know, just talking to you guys is calming me down. Thanks. xthanks
And Fod extra thanks thanks for you. x

Pixielady83 Fri 21-Feb-14 08:30:02

morning all. welcome lotty here is a very good please to share concerns, we will try and help smile

saggy just reading what the consultant said to you sent chills down my spine so I think your reaction is entirely justified, I would have been very shaken by that question. I don't really understand why he would ask it sad I know that consultants can be insensitive but I feel that's quite far beyond insensitive really. I hope you're feeling ok this morning. Really looking forward to Ryvita arriving safely with you, nearly there now.

GuffSmuggler Fri 21-Feb-14 09:54:47

oh saggy if only that consultant had any inkling of the long, painful and worrying journey being PG after an MC is and could hear the gasps of horror from this whole thread at being asked that question!

Poor you, we will all be fighting for the best for our babies forever more and your gorgeous girl is no different so I'm not surprised it knocked you for six.

Try and focus on the very exciting fact that she'll be in your arms before you know it grin xxx

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Fri 21-Feb-14 10:12:37

I am trying. smile You guys help a LOT. love to you all. xx

squizita Fri 21-Feb-14 10:13:44

Lotty If it's really making you suffer, you can ask your midwife for counselling/CBT. I did and they were very reassuring - exactly the kind of thing you describe. They did tell me to avoid random websites at all costs: only use the NHS one.

Saggy That sounds a scary appointment. I think sometimes consultants say the most terrifying things and have no bedside manner whatsoever: there are probably boxes/things they have to tick in the very tiny chance they are needed, and he just came out with it in a really insensitive way.

squizita Fri 21-Feb-14 10:19:43

Fod & Lottie I think it's about 95% at 8 weeks (on the MC Assoc booklet) and rises from there to 98%! smile

Aoifebelle Fri 21-Feb-14 10:26:01

having a bad day today ladies. I am really tearful and my heart is pounding. I think the fear of it going tits up again is really just surfacing now I have a scan booked. I feel like I have been so strong for so long, but stories like Saggys just make me wonder am I as strong as i need to be. Sorry to be so self indulgent especially after hearing what others are going through. feel like crap

LondonJen Fri 21-Feb-14 10:57:33

Ruth Exactly! I am filling this new bra and think in a week it will be giving me double boobs at this rate. AS you may have seen earlier this week my nausea got worse, I felt dreadful, but of course as soon as it eased off I was panicking. I empathise. But as for your body forgetting it is pregnant just because your mind did I feel I do have to swat you one with this big wet slimey fish wallop! Remember all the things your body does without you thinking about them eg breathing! smile

Also, if my boobs keep on growing like this I am going to need more maternity clothes or bigger size clothes way sooner than I thought I would as I won't be able to get my boobs in my normal clothes even if I don't have much bump for a while!! I already have trouble getting clothes to fit and flatter my mega chest. Agh!

Squiz I was being nosey about round ligament pain as I'd never heard of it and I read this "Sudden movements can cause the ligament to tighten quickly, like a rubber band snapping. This causes a sudden and quick jabbing feeling." That would fit well with when you said you were feeling it when moving suddenly.

Aoife Great scan news and lovely to have your sister with you

LondonJen Fri 21-Feb-14 11:14:04

Hi Lotty I hope you can tell what good company you are in. Sorry everything is a worry for you but it is totally understandable. I cope by
1. Reading this thread helps me feel like I am not alone and if these ladies can find the strength to cope then so can I
2. Coming here to write everyday is better than sitting worrying
3. Trying VERY hard, and it's not easy, to take one day at a time and stay in the present. Where I am pregnant and all is well.
4. Distracting myself with books, making kits -you should see the mess I am making learning to knit- and films

Congratulations on your pregnancy. TODAY YOU ARE PREGNANT.

Saggy I am not surprised you had the wind taken out of your sails, that is a lot to process. But it's just what if's and covering everything isn't it? Sounds like they are trying to make sure your wishes are at the forefront which is good. Sorry it's worried you so much. Lots of hugs. Having a further read through sounds like you have had a lot going on this pregnancy and I would like to second that you are indeed a power house of a woman!!

LondonJen Fri 21-Feb-14 11:29:59

Aoife Sorry your having a tough morning. The hunger and anger and tiredness is going to mess in with your emotions. As you were concerned about booking your Dr appointment in the first place it's not surprising a scan on the horizon makes this more real. Be kind to yourself. You are hugely strong and you can make it through the next few days I'm sorry it won't be easy but try to remember that it's just as likely to be all fine on Wednesday, in fact, surely statistically more likely than not? It isn't a given that it will be the same. I know it must be really difficult thanks

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Fri 21-Feb-14 11:37:49

Aoife PLEASE dont let my story put you off. sad Things like this are really rare, I tick all of the high risk boxes, and this thread has me, I like to think that I cancel out the risks for all of the rest of you. As for being strong enough, if I can deal with this, ANYONE can. I am the biggest wettest fish going. blush
Heart pounding and worry all go hand in hand with early pg. you sound entirely normal to me. thanks

fod27 Fri 21-Feb-14 11:45:17

Awww Thankyou saggy
aoife wobble away, that's the whole purpose of this site, think of how far you have travelled to her to this point, I bet there were plenty of times when you thought "I can't do this anymore" and look at where you are now! I remember post scan being shoved into a room with DH and we both said "I can't go through this again. It's too hard" and now we are 4 weeks away from our EDD
Put something funny on the box, eat some choccies, take a soak in the bath or book into a salon. Try to take your mind off it all but more importantly look after you! Have you considered bereavement counselling?

kjh5 Fri 21-Feb-14 11:47:43

Oh Saggy wept a few tears into my coffee catching up on the thread, I think everyone else has said it all already but <<hugs>>. Ryvita is such a little miracle and she has gotten this far. No doubt she's inherited her mum's fighting spirit, I reckon she'll be a feisty little thing when she gets here grin

Aoife the scan doom is normal, despite our wobbles we all get into a bit of a holding pattern of coping between scans and the thought that we suddenly might be presented with incontrovertible proof that everything isn't ok is terrifying. Of course if you read back through this thread you'll see that those fears are unfounded. I remember telling DH I wasn't going to go to my 12 week scan the night before because it felt like I had come so far and I didn't want them to tell me I wasn't pregnant anymore... of course this was utterly ridiculous and everything was fine but I was CONVINCED it wasn't going to be.

I've found pregnancy to be a lot harder than I thought (everyone else I know gives the impression its a breeze) but then we've all had the worst thing happen to us and terrible emotional shocks along the way. Despite this we're all still here holding on trying not to go batshit insane and fighting for these little beans to make it into the world which - as saggy has pointed out - means we're all wonder women. Today you are pregnant and this very second, no one can take that away from you. Which as far as I'm concerned is an excellent excuse to have another chocolate digestive for breakfast grin

Aoifebelle Fri 21-Feb-14 11:50:39

THanks all, I have learned alot about myself through all of this, and one thing i know is that i tend to deal with day to day anxiety pretty well , but then have major freak outs periodically. Last one was in November, so prob due one. Saggy you so do not put me off, you are inspiring. I suspect you are far from being a wet fish.

TotalShock Fri 21-Feb-14 11:57:52

This thread is such support to everyone. Its so nice to be able to read all the posts from women and realise all our worries and insecurities have been felt my many of us and we are not alone and that you all "get it"

Saggy you are incredibly strong. Even when your having a wobble you are straight there with positivity and reassurance for others. I think a lot of the medical professionals deal with hard situations all the time and almost become immune to it when talking to us and forget it's not common for us and it's scary

JBrd Fri 21-Feb-14 11:59:56

aoife I'll wobble with you. Currently convinced that they won't find anything at my scan tomorrow, it is all just so like it was with my mcs. No symptoms, and the brown spotting has started again, light, but it's there, so I am freaking out. What on earth will I do if it's bad news again?

saggy I agree with what someone else has said - your consultant had to discuss all the options with you, but he was not very good about being sensitive at all! Sometimes I wonder if they teach people skills at the NHS.
I hope that you've managed to relax a bit again, remember that whatever happens, they will look after you and do what's best for Ryvita. I also didn't know about her DS and heart problem, blimey, you certainly must have had a rollercoaster.

My friend had her baby yesterday - we would have been EDD mates sad I nearly started crying in the office when I got the message, I'm so happy for her, but insanely jealous at the same time. I want to stomp my feet in a really childish manner and shout 'It's not fair! Why not me?!'. Argh.
And to top it all off, someone has hacked into my eBay account and bought weird stuff for a lot of money. Ba****s angryangry

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Fri 21-Feb-14 12:04:34

Nah! Wet fish me! blush Im out with Mother today and trying not to either burst into tears or murder the old bat!

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Fri 21-Feb-14 12:06:56

Jbrd have you contacted eBay? They can freeze your account and cancel out anything wrong. Also is it worth changing your PayPal password?

fod27 Fri 21-Feb-14 12:11:33

Hahaaa saggy angers is better than tears - I find you her much more done when your angry - are we baby shopping by any chance?

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Fri 21-Feb-14 12:16:45

No. In grandma's flat. She's having a nap and the plumber is in the bathroom so mother is cleaning. which involves moaning a lot and giving me jobs which involve getting up and down off of the sofa. confused

Aoifebelle Fri 21-Feb-14 12:19:46

Right time to pull myself together, and pouring over random mn threads (other than this one) is just not helping.

JBrd I can't fathom how you are still functioning. I am having a minor wobble based on nothing in particular and am holed up in bed. I so hope your scan gives you the answers you want tomorrow, I really want us to finish this together.

I might rouse myself and go for a walk

LondonJen Fri 21-Feb-14 12:25:59

Grrrr Jbrd b****ds indeed! How infuriating. I don't blame you for feeling like stomping. That's really hard.

My friend had her baby a couple of weeks ago but I am feeling in a mood with her because when I told her about my mmc her response was sympathetic but to then invite me to come over and spend time with her when she went on mat leave and was spending the last month before baby came getting things ready for it. Errrr, really can't handle that, thank you. ???? I am so riled by this insensitivity still that it is stopping me having much contact with her even now her LO is here. She doesn't know am pg again, only DH does in RL, but I don't think I want to tell her either. hmm

Good luck with your scan tomorrow x

LondonJen Fri 21-Feb-14 12:27:11

Aoife It is a gorgeous blue sky day that sounds like a good idea, lovely sunshine on your skin can't fail but make you feel better x

kjh5 Fri 21-Feb-14 12:29:00

Jbrd I was just thinking about you, massive hugs and handholding for tomorrow, am keeping everything crossed that all is ok and they can give you a good explanation for what is going on xxxxx

fod27 Fri 21-Feb-14 13:16:13

saggy sounds like partaaaayyyyy central hehee

Alb1 Fri 21-Feb-14 13:17:35

Sorry to see so many of you are having wobbles at the min! I don't get chance to post very often but I try n keep up as much as I can on my phone.
Aoife I agree, try n stay away from the random threads, I have a habit of doing that too when I'm wobbling n it never helps!
Jbrd il be thinkin of you tomoro, u must be so stressed out, really hoping everything's fine for u!

squizita Fri 21-Feb-14 14:09:03

I'm having a wobbly day too. Have had 2 whole days with no actual vomming (though I've felt sick at the usual times) and I keep poking my boobs. They're mildly tender. I do feel tired though.
Rationally I know that from 10+ weeks the sickness and so forth can quite normally calm down a bit, and I've never had a mmc (my partial molar was still growing when they ERPCed me) but I'm still wobbly as hell. Keep thinking of MMC and fearing waking with no symptoms at all.

Also, my belly and thighs are wobbly I CANNOT stop eating salty snacks like crisps and crackers! blush Ah well.

squizita Fri 21-Feb-14 14:47:06

...if (FX) I make it past 12 weeks, I was wondering about investing in a book on pregnancy and birth. Something factual and no nonsense (I am too jaded to imagine yoga, whale music and a doula will result in no piles, stretch marks or birth pain) but likewise not scary (for obvious reasons).

Any recommendations?

fod27 Fri 21-Feb-14 15:24:55

'What to expect' was a good one god me squiz

fod27 Fri 21-Feb-14 15:31:55

#for me sorry

MrsGiraffe12 Fri 21-Feb-14 16:14:01

I second what to expect. And am currently reading the womanly art of breastfeeding.

I'm having a wobbly week (again). Sickness has gone and so has sore boobs. Tiredness is still in full force but still have the horrendous back ache low down, and now it's spread to the inside of my thighs (and feels like it's inside my bottom too, gross I know).

Scan on Wednesday and an irrational part of me is expecting me to say I've had another missed miscarriage.

Then I come on here and read such positive uplifting stories and lovely comments and don't feel so bad anymore.


fod27 Fri 21-Feb-14 17:42:43

Yayyy for MrsG's new found posifrickintivity!

allisgood1 Fri 21-Feb-14 18:27:23

Can I join the wobble? I had my booking in appointment today, all fine and I'm being referred to consultant as requested (although it seems I am deemed high risk anyway so was already going to be referred). I then stupidly looked on the miscarriage forum and saw a thread about a lady one day less pregnant than me who had a mc after seeing hb at 9 weeks. Seeing as how I haven't had a scan since 8+3 and now I have been having pains off and on for the past few days (not cramps, but a constant stitch like pain either in my thigh or across the bump). No spotting. Right now though moving makes the pain worse. So convinced it's happening like it did to the other lady. Other than that no loss of symptoms...still feeling sick and boobs still huge and sore. I do have a bump but that is likely wind and constipation (which is way worse at the mo). Scan Thursday!

Penguinita Fri 21-Feb-14 18:30:50

Good luck for tomorrow JBrd, let us know how it goes.

Welcome lotty, I found the thing that helped me get through was sharing all my totally irrational fears and panics with the ladies on here when I would just sound batshit crazy to anyone in real life, who reassured me that they had been through it too and come out the other side.

Sending hugs to everyone having wobbles flowers

I've got a physio appointment for my SPD next Wednesday, that's 8 days from seeing the gp to getting the appointment. <sticks two fingers up at thick midwife who told me not to bother as the waiting list for physio was so long I'd never get one before the birth>

GuffSmuggler Fri 21-Feb-14 20:15:19

Think of you tomorrow jbrd I know it's awful waiting for these scans. I nearly passed out before my first one with the stress.

squizita Fri 21-Feb-14 20:18:40

FX Jbird for tomorrow!

Evening ladies

Sorry for not posting for a while.

Saggy - you are mega - literally no other word for it Hun. I'm so sorry that consultant was so insensitive, I do sometimes think they don't stop and remember they are talking to humans - it's like they get wrapped up in the medical / science of it all.

To all the ladies experiencing wobbles - sending you lots of hugs. I remember the early days of this pregnancy I was a mess (no exaggeration) and found it hard to rationalise anything in life as I just felt so out of control. I had some bereavement counselling and would highly recommended it - I not one for talking about feelings etc to a stranger but it was like a weight had been lifted - I accessed mine through the miscarriage association.

JBird - thinking of you tomorrow Hun xx

fedupofrainydays Fri 21-Feb-14 20:52:30

jbrd hope you have sorted the ebay mess - what a nightmare and really annoying at same time! And will be thinking of you so much tomorrow and wishing all is well.

I'm struggling at the mo too - not helped by my tiredness. But symptoms mean nothing to me as had them with my mmc that got me to 12 weeks. But... Today I am pregnant. And it's oddly comforting to read everyone is as mad and illogical as me in my worries. It's so easy to give advice isn't it but then impossible to act on it myself!!!

MrsGiraffe12 Fri 21-Feb-14 21:30:48

Thanks fod I'm loving my posifrickintivity :-) let's hope it's gonna last till Wednesdays scan!

Gonna be stuck in the house all weekend as DS decided to puke everywhere and now can't stop shivering. DH is as useful as a chocolate teapot in these situations. At least I have mumsnet to keep me sane ;-) x

ruth1104 Fri 21-Feb-14 23:12:02

Oh dear sounds like we all need a large glass of wine.. But the next big ones going to be when we've got our babies!
jbrd hope all goes well tomorrow, let us know how it goes.
saggy sounds like your doc was covering the worst possible scenario in the most insensitive way, sometimes I do wonder who let's these people be doctors!! I send you patience with your ma, I'm losing patience with my grandmother from hormones alone so I salute you! Also my work means I know lots of adults with learning disabilities, including ds.... Most people live fuller, healthier and longer lives than their parents were ever told by doctors, (worst case scenario again).

Lottystar Fri 21-Feb-14 23:21:58

Thanks so much ladies for your warm welcome and words of wisdom. It really is such a tonic and relief to find somewhere that I don't sound like a paranoid nutjob! You're all right, I must stop googling symptoms I know - it's just hard when my phone is a hand's reach away and it only fuels my fears!

Saggy, congratulations on your little girl, sounds like this pregnancy has been tough but I'm sure she will be so worth it all. Your consultant sounds blunt to say the least but they just tend to be slightly disassociated from the emotional side of things. Tbh the EPU were downright mean during my mc, barring one kind midwife. Perhaps that's just how they manage to continue the job they do. No excuse at all, surely dealing with patients with a bit of tlc is part of the training? Few have a good bedside manner.

Those having scans, I hope they went well smile

I had awful, chronic diarreah last night which is utter contrast to my usual consistent pregnancy constipation. That's had me worried as I only usually get the squits before I'm about to go into labour. Could be a bug but period type pains all day today so I am worried. Scan date (12 weeks) arrived today - 2 weeks exactly. Hope little peanut sticks! Somehow makes it harder now I've seen the little heartbeat flickering away hmm

kjh5 Sat 22-Feb-14 01:29:36

Just popping in to see if any other SPD-suffering insomniacs are awake... And might have any advice on how to deal with the horrendous amount of pain I suddenly seem to be in, I've had it bad before but this is something else. Doesn't help the baby seems to be trying to stretch out in my pelvis! God I'm such a wimp - there is no way I'm going to be ankle to cope with labour if I can't even deal with this!

JBrd Sat 22-Feb-14 07:23:10

Ladies, thank you all for your words of support. Two more hours... I think I used up all my adrenaline yesterday, I feel strangely calm. I'm sure it'll change later!

bakingtins Sat 22-Feb-14 07:36:39

Good luck Jbrd sending you calm vibes.

Aoifebelle Sat 22-Feb-14 07:59:20

Morning JBrd sending you all the posifrickintivity I can muster. Glad your scan is in the morning and a lovely morning it is too. I so hope you get the good news and then head out for a slap up brunch.

I am feeling substantially less wobbly today, how about everyone else? I can line up a round of wet fish if needs be. giraffe sounds like your hubby needs one more than you do.

lottystar having a baby inside you does all sorts to your guts, hormones innit. If you have the squits and cramps, most likely both originate in your digestive system. My guts tend towards constipation but can surprise me with the opposite on occassion.

kjh so sorry you are in so much pain. That sounds thoroughly miserable. I have no tips or hints, but labour at least should be a different type of pain. (That is probably the most pitiful silver lining I have ever mustered. )

And in other news. Last night it transpires we had a shooting in my street. Nice. Also my best mate has broken up with her odious boyfriend, which is fab, but she is currently living in mexico which is not so fab.

Right, right now ladies we are all pregnant. Here's to sunshine and posifrickintivity all round, with an extra portion for you jbrd

Lottystar Sat 22-Feb-14 08:30:33

Thanks Aoife, I just wish my head would turn off sometimes - too much worrying and procrastinating. I just don't trust my body after last time. Won't allow myself to be officially pregnant until I feel the pregnancy is established. Self defense mechanism I guess. Awful about that shooting in your street, frightening. Pleased your generally feeling less wobbly too smile

Good luck JBrd, thinking of you.

Hope all you ladies have nice weekend plans? My hubby is off to see his folks in the North for a family meeting about care options for his parents future, their getting on in years. So I'm home with my lovely lads, if weather permits we're off to the park.

kjh5 Sat 22-Feb-14 08:52:57

Morning all - sending you LOTS of posifrickintivity jbrd hope everything is ok xxxxx

Lotty please do go to the park! I've been awake since 6am and all I wanted to do was grab my camera and head out into the common this lovely cold sunshiney morning but (a) I can't walk and (b) my camera needs servicing so I'm wrapped up in a fleece on the sofa drinking a LARGE cup of coffee and watching my kitten repeatedly fall off our garden fence out the window... that silly little moggy does make me laugh

Thankfully the sproglet shifted position and the agony subsided just as I was about to wake DH up from his snorefest and make him share in my misery.

Hoping everyone else is on course for a lovely weekend

Pixielady83 Sat 22-Feb-14 09:06:10

morning all... mainly popping on to say that I'm thinking of you jbrd and wishing you loads and loads of luck for the scan this morning xxx

kjh you poor thing. I had a terrible night too. Apparently baby is 2/5th engaged so head is right in pelvis and the pain when he or she moves is awful sad baby just feels far too big for me now I don't know how I'm going to get it out. I'm being so grumpy with family who are either texting or emailing every day to surreptitiously see if anything is happening angry I feel ungrateful but still cross I just want to be left alone!

I did think of another silver lining for you though, because you are getting used to pain your pain threshold will be higher for labour. My spd was much worse last time and I found the contractions very different and manageable for the first bit- helps that they come in waves. Also apparently spd means the pelvis is far more flexible so it should be easier for baby to move down. I've heard of people having very good deliveries following spd. I think water would have helped so might be worth discussing whether you can use the birthing pool with your mw. First time they said no to me as I was on crutches and they didn't think they'd get me out if anything went wrong but they've said different for this pregnancy and I've heard of loads of spd sufferers using pool in labour and it helping.

Aoife that sounds scary about the shooting. Hope everything is ok in your area.

Hope everyone who was wobbling is feeling better today. Have lovely weekends xxx

allisgood1 Sat 22-Feb-14 09:33:23

Best of luck jbrd.

I'm still having dull pains which are winding me up. No spotting. I did eat loads of wheat yesterday when I'm intolerant so I think half my pain is that and the other half round ligament and stretching. Not a fun combination hmm

kjh5 Sat 22-Feb-14 10:15:57

Crikey Aoife just seen your post about a shooting on your street! That's horrific!

Thanks Pixie - today I am all about the silver linings! The upside of only having about 4 hours of sleep means I have baked a caramel cake because I clearly need fattening up even more and the noise of the mixer promise of cake for breakfast means DH is up and out of bed and ready to tackle the LONG list of chores I have for him to do before he goes to the football today grin

allis I had the same pains/problems at the beginning, it's not a great feeling but it is perfectly normal

kjh5 Sat 22-Feb-14 10:17:08

Oh Pixie I'm sorry you also had a bad night! But at least she is in the the right position/place for when things get going? Fx won't be too much longer now! x

squizita Sat 22-Feb-14 10:29:27

[Jbird] fx!

[Lotty] enjoy your weekend and try not to stress. I go between hard/constipated stools and the runs, it's quite random but fx hasn't hurt the pg. Sorry to hear you've had a bad experience with consultants and medics - they aren't all like that thankfully. In my 3 losses and extensive tests/treatments I've only had 2 bad ones, so there are many kind ones oiut there.

Allis tell me about it! Yup mystery pains freak me out too! Think theyre muscular and/or digestive.

Kj and Pixie boooo to your painful nights. Hope things get better asap! smile

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Sat 22-Feb-14 10:36:39

Kjh id be down the gps demanding a referral for the spd.
Aoife that sounds terrifying!
Jbrd holding your hand. I'm sure that everything is just fine. xxx
Thank you all for the kind words and support. I'm feeling much perlite today and I'm glad to see others are too.
Big hugs to everyone. xx

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squizita Sat 22-Feb-14 10:49:58

Mental moment of the week: the mumsnet week 11 pregnancy page is crashing on my tablet so i'm like 'nooooo it's an omen'. An omen I should buy a new tablet! duh.

Aoifebelle Sat 22-Feb-14 11:10:49

Are you ready Squiz, you know what's coming, it is cold wet and scaly.

squizita Sat 22-Feb-14 11:13:51

Thanks Aoife wipes fish goo from face.

JBrd Sat 22-Feb-14 12:34:38

Good scan news! One baby, heartbeat, measuring bang on 7+4 (or 8+1 on second look). I am relieved beyond words, I was convinced it would be bad news again grin
There is a slight bleed under the sac, but the sonographer wasn't very worried about it (apparently, under is much better than above).
I am literally on cloud nine right now grin

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Sat 22-Feb-14 12:38:06

FANTASTIC! smile smile smile
That's great Jbrd. x

squizita Sat 22-Feb-14 12:38:13

Waaahaaay!! smile Jbird so very very happy for you! Go and have some cake or something to celebrate!

fod27 Sat 22-Feb-14 12:39:46

MrsG I'm sure it will, I hope DS is feeling better soon - your DH sounds a lot like mine ;) his catchphrase is "I don't do sick and I don't do poo" excellent!

Kjh mine too is getting worse, I've yet to receive my referral too ;( since baby has engaged I feel it soooo much more concentrated on the public bone, I've started to put heated wheat bags down there (sounds funny but it works) they should have it written on your notes for labour too - that way the MW can help you with your labour positions to ensure no further pelvic damage

Jbrd hope alls well, thinking of you and sending lots of hugs your way

fod27 Sat 22-Feb-14 12:43:12

jbrd that's brilliant news! Sounds like your bleed was similar to mine! Really pleased for you! Now enjoy it xcxxxxxxxx

Pixielady83 Sat 22-Feb-14 12:47:18

Amazing jbrd SO pleased for you!! hope you are celebrating in the sunshine now, think cake definitely in order!! smile smile smile

kjh5 Sat 22-Feb-14 12:59:57

YAY Jbrd!!!!! Oh that has put a huge, big grin on my face, I'm thrilled beyond words for you, what a great way to start a Saturday. I hope you and your DP are celebrating and enjoying your day after all the stress you've had the past few weeks

Saggy and Fod sadly my physio decided last week there was nothing more she could do for me so although I'm on her patient list until 6wks after birth she doesn't think she can help me any further with the SPD. The baby has shifted so its not so bad today which is good smile

Thanks for the tip Fod, I shall switch from frozen peas to wheat bags and see if that helps - hope your referral comes through soon!

bakingtins Sat 22-Feb-14 13:10:43

jbrd that is such fantastic news! I'm so pleased for you. I can heave a sigh of relief and enjoy my weekend now...

LondonJen Sat 22-Feb-14 13:31:21

Absolutely posifrickingtivity awesome news Jbrd and great that you have a quite literal explaination for the bleeding, that must help a lot. Enjoy your day, relax and bask in the relief!!! xxxxx

allisgood1 Sat 22-Feb-14 13:33:37

Such great news jbrd!!! So happy for you!! gringringrin

Penguinita Sat 22-Feb-14 14:23:10

Hooray Jbrd, brilliant news! Hope you are doing something nice to celebrate x

Aoifebelle Sat 22-Feb-14 14:47:20

Whoop whoop JBrd whoop frickin whoop. Been thinking about you all day (had a feeling in my waters all would be good for you). So pleased for you.

Seems like it was a shooting/stabbing in my street. We did hear what sounded like 3 gun shots. It's odd I grew up in northern ireland in the 70s/80s so I think stuff like this bothers me less than most. Still a bit too close to home for comfort. Don't know if anyone has been seriously hurt.

fod27 Sat 22-Feb-14 15:05:51

No problem kjh5 I hate to think of anyone in this amount of pain - that's pants about your physio! So are you expected to simply 'get on with it?' The NHS are just brill aren't they?

MrsGiraffe12 Sat 22-Feb-14 15:12:34

JBird amazing news :-) now do something in the sunshine (if it's shining where you are) to celebrate xx

Alb1 Sat 22-Feb-14 16:09:07

Great news JBrd! Must be a massive relief!

LondonJen Sat 22-Feb-14 18:37:41

OMG ladies. Dp's friend and his mrs rang to see if they could stop by 'in 5 mins' so I jumped up to put the hoover away and throw things under the sofa, hide the pregnacare etc. DP says 'will we tell them?' I say 'No!' but I don't just say no I shout NO!! He says, okay, okay I was just making sure we were on the same page!

Oooo I had this sudden and immediate gut response that this news was so precious these would not be the people to hear it first!! First maternal instincts!! We have never announced such news before and they're not my fave friends tbh (!) so don't want them to have the honour but then I felt like who does deserve to know this?! Feeling very protective of Bert (our bean's name!).

It's odd though really because if DP saw this friend on his own and wanted to tell him for support I would not mind. But I wasn't ready to be one couple telling another. No sir!

Gosh. This has exhausted me! They have taken the dog out and I have wolved down 4 sandwiches whilst I had the chance smile

NerdyBird Sat 22-Feb-14 19:58:10

Great news jbrd! So pleased for you. We are at a wedding today and I've had a little pink spotting, but it's tailing off. Left ankle has decided to swell too. Was having a bit of a panic as also hadn't felt any flutters. I think I might have had a couple just now though. I'm half reclined on a sofa with my feet up. The bride has announced her pregnancy too, and she's had MMC before, at a similar time to me, so it's a doubly happy day!

Pixielady83 Sat 22-Feb-14 20:08:32

Ah nerdy that's lovely news about your friend smile

London loving mummy lioness instinct emerging!

Well I needed cheering up so... we went and bought a shiny red volkswagen campervan! grin shock grin

Ok, so it wasn't totally impulsive... our car has been limping along for some time now and desperately needs replacing. We sold our ancient Volkswagen camper last year and have been debating whether to replace that and dying car with a sensible family car or whether to get another van. We've gone with the van grin I'm so excited. We got a fantastic deal on a 2nd hand one (which is approx 25 years younger than our last van!) from an older couple who bought for retirement but just haven't got much use out of it.

Now we can start planning summer van adventures. And working out where the baby's going to sleep!

fod27 Sat 22-Feb-14 20:25:31

Awwww pixie how exciting!! Summer hols will be fun! Start collecting holiday vouchers from the newspaper now! Xxx

MrsGiraffe12 Sat 22-Feb-14 20:51:05

Urgh, sickness Central in my house. DS, DH and me have all fallen ill from the dreaded lurgy :-(

Poor mum in law had to come over and help change beds / bath DS whilst me and DH look after our fragile selves. So weak can't even lift him in / out the bath.

It almost makes me want it to be morning sickness again as I knew if i laid down in a dark room it would ease up a little bit.

Need someone to reassure me that a sickness bug won't do any harm at 12 weeks (oh my god! I'm 12 weeks today. I would smile if I didn't want to vom everywhere lol)

fod27 Sat 22-Feb-14 21:12:35

mrsg bean is very very well protected I promise smile

Ok ive a medical question, yesterday and today after visiting the lav i discovered snot like discharge, there's no smell, no pain, no frothing or itching - could this be a show?

GuffSmuggler Sat 22-Feb-14 21:14:03

Fantastic news jbrd grin grin grin The feeling of relief just makes you want to collapse doesn't it!?

MrsGiraffe12 Sat 22-Feb-14 21:14:48

fod27 how far along are you? Sounds like it could be :-) I don't think all shows have to be blood stained etc x

fod27 Sat 22-Feb-14 21:17:53

36 and a half weeks, never had a show with the others so now I'm thinking all sorts - glad you mentioned the lack of blood as that's what I was looking for

LondonJen Sat 22-Feb-14 22:15:26

Pixie cute camper van family outing plans! So lovely to hear. What a good day's shopping!

Sorry MrsG that's no fun, but glad you have help. That's what the MIL is for eh?!

Fod Ooo! Sorry I can't help but keep us posted.

Nerdy that is indeed a doubly happy story smile

Well I just came by to whinge that apparently our guests 'guessed' and dp made some confirming noises whilst they were all out without me! I welled up when he told me they knew! Felt gutted! But no-one said anything to me as dp told them I wouldn't want to chat about it so early and after 5 mins I was fine again and pretending like nobody was any the wiser. They are the only friends of dp he told about mmc so I don't mind if he needed to share a bit she says begrudgingly

I can't believe how late it is not been up after 9pm in aaaages!

Pixielady83 Sat 22-Feb-14 22:15:38

ooh fod that does sound a bit like a show! have you got your bag packed? no signs here, I'm now past the point when DD arrived which is quite frustrating!

mrsg feel better soon - sickness bugs are the worst sad make sure you stay hydrated hey.

Lottystar Sun 23-Feb-14 00:08:29

Sooo pleased for you Jbrd, it's such a relief to see the little tike on the screen, healthy and as they should be. I worried myself silly before my reassurance scan at 7 weeks, I just anticipated seeing a blank screen like last time but thankfully all was well. Now just psyching myself up for 12 week scan in just under 2 weeks.

Thanks Squiz, that's made me a bit more chilled, back to constipation today. I'm starting to think the two ice teams and dried apricots I ate that day may have had something to do with my explosive tummy too wink

Fod, my show with my first ds was a big snotty, brown / blood streaked blob. Couldn't miss it. Kinda mainly yellowy green. (Sorry if tmi ) My waters broke spontaneously (38 weeks) a few days later.

Pixie, your camper van sounds very cool. I'm jealous, I love VWs. They do just seem to epitomise lazy summer, surfy days on the beach. Perhaps less so with the British summertime but still very cool.

Kjh, we did go to the park today, even managed a little picnic and played football, of sorts, with a 2.5 year old and 1.5 year old it's mainly just chasing the ball!

Just a thought for you ladies with spd, can acupuncture help at all? It assisted me with my PCOS and also has helped with constipation. Not sure how much it can do for pain relief but if you get a good practitioner I'm a firm advocate for it having been sceptical at the outset.

squizita Sun 23-Feb-14 09:49:35

Hi all! Just checking in quickly. No news here.

fod fx for you!

Mrsg sorry to hear you're poorly. Hope it passes quickly.

GuffSmuggler Sun 23-Feb-14 10:04:52

Fod are you queue jumping!? envy

I never had a show before so can't help but I'm sure you'll know soon enough if this is it, how exciting!!

Aoifebelle Sun 23-Feb-14 10:06:13

fod sounds like you are on your way, can't imagine snotty knickers in a heavily pregnant lady to be anything other than a show. Tres exciting. Come on pixie time to start with the rasberry tea? So jealous of your van, I suppose I should get round to learning how to drive.

Had my first pregnancy anxiety dream. I was in mexico with my oh, we were at the beach and swimming out towards what should have been a reef but was actually a cliff of sand. As we got there, the cliff collapsed a bit and we had to swim back to shore. We decided to swim out again, but as we got near the cliff, it avalanced on top of us. I was caught in the wave of sea and sand, but somehow managed to get to the surface and ride the wave. OH not quite so lucky, never saw him again. Feel free to help me interpret ladies.

fod27 Sun 23-Feb-14 10:30:56

Hi ladies! Bag is mostly packed... Although I haven't fake tanned the legs ready ;(

Started with back pain, went to bed then up again at 5.30 with twinges then.... Big fat nothing! Never had my waters break or a show with my others it was always a full ache in my lower back which eventually turned into string contractions - I went on the baby centre last night (they have RL pics of shows! Not for the faint hearted or if you've just eaten) although very informative if you've never had a show

squizita Sun 23-Feb-14 10:52:18

Aoife urgh I have anxiety dreams too. Horrid things.

Fod excited for you! The gallery of shows made me lol!

As for me, I think I am entering the 'just look fat' stage. Ms is now less regular (week 11 and tailing off not sudden stoppage so not freaking out) and instead I'm a hungry hungry hippo.

fod27 Sun 23-Feb-14 11:05:54

Hahaaa squiz I remember that stage, think I purposely rubbed my tummy so that passer bys knew I was preggars and not fat lol - embrace it and eat! Your only gunna get bigger lol xxx

fedupofrainydays Sun 23-Feb-14 11:10:56

Yay jbrd - I bet you are on cloud 9!!

We went round to some friends last night and think my alcohol free beer gave me away. They didn't say anything which was nice as didn't want the questions!

fod my show was a gross big glob of yellowy snot like stuff. Arrived in the Monday and had baby on the Friday. Sounds like it to me... Exciting!

LondonJen Sun 23-Feb-14 13:41:07

Aoife that to me says, you're thinking about the journey you and OH are embarking on. Whilst he is in it with you, you're ultimately wondering if you can take all the emotions/physical side of it/toughness of it all (that's the sand and water coming at you) and in the end you do! You come through both and you ride the wave. You are a strong woman and you can do it.

I have bought next size up bra and new supprtive vest for bed now that usually one for pms-hurty boobs can no longer contain me. Still daren't buy any mat jeans tho. Silly really as can't fasten normal ones!

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Sun 23-Feb-14 15:06:06

I wish this baby would put in an appearance. confused DP is starting to look haggard. Hes not sleeping very well and is a bit quiet. I think he needs to meet his little girl. It must be incredibly hard to be a bloke, especially in not so great circumstances. A bit like just being along for the ride until you actually get something physical to fall in love with. sad

fod27 Sun 23-Feb-14 15:20:45

I totally hear that saggy we try to involve them as much as possible but it's not the same is it? My DH has been on a renovation mission since he found out we were in the clear so to speak - think it's his way of getting involved

GuffSmuggler Sun 23-Feb-14 15:53:47

Oh my word, a gallery of shows!?!? <<boak>>

fod27 Sun 23-Feb-14 16:01:18

So now I'm feeling sick ;( the first time in months nearly chucked twice

squizita Sun 23-Feb-14 16:07:22

Well guess who said the morning sickness seemed to be fading? confused Then got silly and had a sweet chilli hummus sarnie with flavours and squishiness and so forth...

Boak indeed, especially after reading about the gallery of mucussy wonders!! shock

GuffSmuggler Sun 23-Feb-14 16:10:45

Not surprised fod looking up things like that on the internet!!

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Sun 23-Feb-14 16:19:23

<<BOAK>> why did I go looking for that gallery?! I've had a show before, I know what it looks like! envy <<vom emoticon.

fod27 Sun 23-Feb-14 16:32:36

Hahaaa am I right in assuming that you have all been looking at show galleries?? You dirty girls! Heheee

fod27 Sun 23-Feb-14 16:33:23

Totally agree tho saggy they are very gross

fedupofrainydays Sun 23-Feb-14 17:21:27

The gallery of different types of cm make me feel very sick... So im not taking a wonder into the gallery of shows!! grin

fedupofrainydays Sun 23-Feb-14 17:21:59

Ps fod sickness is also a sign of labour!!

fod27 Sun 23-Feb-14 17:39:50

Don't blame you fedup ooooo don't say that! The car dead is still at the shop! Hahaaa

JBrd Sun 23-Feb-14 18:34:41

I felt queasy all afternoon, and then come here to find lots of graphic talk about shows, urgh confused
But good luck, fod, things might start moving soon!

I'm knackered - DH buggered off skiing yesterday, and I have honestly forgotten how much hard work it is, looking after a toddler on your own. He's not napping anymore, either, so the only break I get is by plonking him on front of the TV <<lazy mum emoticon>> One thing is certain, I will not be doing any potty training this week, no way.

Lottystar Sun 23-Feb-14 18:44:28

Jbrd, we did potty training of my ds when my dh was on leave for two weeks over christmas break. Definitely easier with two adults to control the mess!

Sorry you're feeling poorly, I've had no energy today as headachey and nauseous. Bleh hmm

fod27 Sun 23-Feb-14 18:46:45

Ohhhh jbrd im pretty sure it's the law that when your preggars toddlers must sit infront of the tv for at least 30 minutes a day ;)

Pixielady83 Sun 23-Feb-14 20:02:18

I'm all about the outsourced toddler entertainment at the moment. DD spent an indecently long time on the iPad this morning while I sat quietly and drank coffee, it was amazing!

ruth1104 Sun 23-Feb-14 20:02:19

hello ladies! Giggling and wincing at the idea of a gallery of shows... definitely not ready for that yet! Can I ask some advice? Those who have had a reassurance scan, was that on the NHS and if so what are the criteria for it? I've got my first MW appointment on tuesday so I'd like to know if that's a possibility...
Also london where does one find supportive vests for sleeping in? I'm in desperate need!
Very very glad to hear about a happy scan jbrd, hope you're feeling better!

fod27 Sun 23-Feb-14 20:05:13

ruth our scan was private well at 4D scan place - they also do reassurance scans - we also got a DVD of baby in the womb which was amazing! Best £50 I've ever spent xxx

Aoifebelle Sun 23-Feb-14 21:07:50

Hi ruth I think it depends on your epau. Mine accepts self referrals from women with previous mc. I asked for one due to increasing anxiety levels, not worried about anything specifc, but the idea of waiting to 12 weeks filled me with dread. Have mine on Wednesday. Will be 8 weeks. If you can hang on til at least seven weeks, much less chance of getting an ambiguous result.

LondonJen Sun 23-Feb-14 21:12:41

Ruth my current one was just from m&S but is very old. The ones they have online now the reviews were bad saying they have underwires in. That's not my cup of tea for bed.

I know you can buy ones at Bravissimo that have proper built in support they do look really good but at are pricey and I might need a bigger size any second!

Elsewhere on MN www.bras4mums.co.uk/ was recommended and they have a sleep bras section which I would have gone for but it said best for up to F cup which I am now!

So I just ordered this from Debenhams and am praying it will be half decent www.debenhams.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/prod_10701_10001_151010130243_-1

As long as it stops by boobs falling around in bed (which hurts) and prevents the covers rubbing on them (which also hurts) I will be happy! Until I am a G cup and it doesn't fit lol

fedupofrainydays Sun 23-Feb-14 21:25:51

jbrd I was without DH on fri and sat too so was absolutely shattered after two full days with toddler who also no longer naps. Plus he wanted me to do EVERYTHING with him, even watch peppa pig, build train tracks, read books, carry cars up and down the stairs, empty out the toy box, go on the trampoline (got very upset when i wouldn't jump), ride on the toy digger.... I could go on and on. Don't get me wrong I love him to bits he's just exhausting at the best of times never mind when upduffed!!! Today, DH has been in charge and I had a 1.5 hr nap - amazing. Pretty sure he just put Cars DVD on repeat though as he was hungover. I tried to describe that looking after our son when pregnant is the same as having a hangover from hell and being in charge!!

JBrd Sun 23-Feb-14 21:47:23

ruth My midwife arranged my reassurance scan for me, both this time and last time - even though I've not even had my booking appointment yet. If you can, talk to yours, otherwise I'd go to the GP - where I live, everything is done by the midwives, the GP doesn't do anything (unless there are any problems or complications). And in the past, I have also called the EPU directly, when I had any problems like bleeding et., and they said to come in. Worth a try!

DS is in bed, and I've been trying to sort out this flippin' eBay fraud... All very bizarre - in spite of both eBay and PayPal saying that I've bought this weird stuff (dogecoins, never even heard of them), no money has been transferred from any of my accounts or cards! Which makes reporting a scam rather difficult... No idea what to do.
And now I should try and fill out that monster of a booking in book form, but I think what little energy I have left I need to wash my hair. Feeling really yucky grin

Penguinita Sun 23-Feb-14 22:01:45

All sounds very dodgy about that ebay fraud JBrd. I had trouble with paypal a few months ago, someone hacked into my account and bought a load of vouchers for spa treatments. I don't store any of my credit card details on there permanently any more. Hope you get it sorted soon.

squiz, not wanting to scare you but the "just looking fat" stage lasted about 12 weeks for me!

So after weeks of nagging gentle persuasion I finally got DH to come pram shopping today. Although we didn't buy one today I achieved my objective of making him realise the flaw in his previous plan (go to mothercare website and order the cheapest one) grin

Alb1 Sun 23-Feb-14 22:20:11

Ruth my gp arranged mine, I jus told him I had a MMC last time n the docter I saw in hospital told me to request one in my next pg (which was true) n the gp was kinda mean n said a scan seemed pointless at it cudnt stop me miscarrying, but i stud firm n he jus booked it there and then, my midwife said she wudnt have bothered trying as scans are so hard to get so if one says no I'd recommend trying the other! I do have a slightly rubbish mw tho IMO, she dissuaded me from havin the nuchal measurement scan for the same reason, told me I was too late to book one (at 8weeks) as they book up so fast, now wish I'd persisted n made her try anyway but she did a very good job of putting me off lol

Aoifebelle Sun 23-Feb-14 22:39:54

Sorry Alb did I read you right, that your MW has persuaded you to NOT have the 12 week scan and blood test, as they may already be booked up??? You can have this test up to 13 and a bit weeks, if they can't fit you in then they should refer you to somewhere that can.

If you would continue with this pregnancy no matter what the test shows , then it may not matter so much. This is not meant to scare you, but do you know that this test shows not only Down's Syndrome, but other serious problems with the babies chromosomes that may mean that the baby will not survive. You should have the choice whether you want this information or not, this is not your midwife's decision and it is completely inappropriate for her to put you off. This is for you and your partner to decide.

If I was in your shoes I would demand another full discussion about the test with another MV and would report the midwife you have already spoken to - and I would do this tomorrow. This is a really important decision, DO NOT let them dick you around

kjh5 Sun 23-Feb-14 22:50:23

Pregnant batshit craziness has reached new a new level of insanity - I just had a cry because I NEED a gin and tonic and obviously can't have one <<stamps foot in juvenile manner>>

I know I'm so lucky to have reached this stage but oh man am I uncomfortable and in pain and really tired of being so hugely pregnant... Sorry moan over... <<mooches off to catch up on the rest of the thread>>

kjh5 Sun 23-Feb-14 22:58:35

Ruth I bought some sleeping tops from bravissimo and I live in them. Went a cup size up so they were a little big to begin with but they are so damn comfortable. I've worn them since 2nd trimester and they're still going strong 12 weeks later!

Alb your midwife sounds a horror! What a load of rubbish! I can't believe she said the nuchal scan wasn't necessary? I thought the NHS did it as a matter of course and you could opt out of it if you wanted. I'd ask someone else about that if I were you!

Can't believe you lot are all looking at show galleries! I'm so squeamish that would definitely drive me to drink! grin

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Sun 23-Feb-14 23:03:33

Alb I am shock shock shock shock angry angry angry
Your MW has serious attitude problems! as the pp said, it's all very well missing the 12 week scan and bloods if you wouldn't terminate for an abnormality, but if you are in any doubt it's really important.
This is the scan where we were told that DD probably had Downs. I was 13.5. The scan is doable up to 13.6.
Obviously we continued despite the DS, but I honestly couldn't have put my family through Edwards or Pataus. In terms of termination you don't want to be any further along than you have to.
You need to decide what YOU want and then go raise merry hell at this midwife.
What she is telling you is not on. AT ALL! angry
I would be contacting the screening coordinator at your hospital and reporting this.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Sun 23-Feb-14 23:05:22

I already had the rage tonight. This mw may well have pushed me over the edge! angry confused

Aoifebelle Sun 23-Feb-14 23:13:53

Cheers saggy I was wondering if I was over reacting to alb's mw. Gave me the proper rage and all.

alb you might need to think about getting this sorted pronto. If you might want the test you can't leave this too long.

fod27 Sun 23-Feb-14 23:23:27

alb we missed out on the test due to LO position during the scan however they did perform a blood test which gives the same results (if your chance is high they will do further tests) thought it's worth a mention incase you have missed the scan window

Also to echo everyone else ... It's disgusting and I recommend that you put in a complaint with PALs they are excellent and will take it very seriously

Alb1 Mon 24-Feb-14 00:27:13

Thanks, it's nice that someone agrees with me tbh, at the time cos I'm so paranoid about this pregnancy I thought she was right, but after I realised it wasn't right for her to put me off like that, but OH thought I shud jus let it go (he's convinced the baby will be perfect n nothing will go wrong, which I actually quite like). I'm my first appointment at jus over 6 weeks she gave me the leaflets to read through n think about before my next appointment at 9 weeks n asked what I decided in my mc pregnancy n I told her I decided against it before (but each pregnancy gives fresh choices IMO), so when it got to 9 weeks she jus asked me to sign sayin id refused the test n when I said I actually wanted it done she kinda quizzed me about why n told me I wud be incredibly unlikely to get an appointment now (were I am it's a seperate scan to the 12 week scan). My point of view on it was that I wudnt terminate if the baby had downs, n even if I had high risk for downs I wasn't sure id even do the amino tests cos of the mc risk, but if we get a low risk it gives us something less to worry about. Obviously if the baby has Edwards or something else that's incompatible with life it wud be different, but she told me these tests purely test for downs, n if I wudnt terminate anyway it's kinda pointless worrying about it cos there are so many other things that cud go wrong in pregnancy that this one shud be the least of my worries(think she meant that reassuringly tbh, as I made it clear I don't see downs as a horrible thing). At the time her sayin that made me think yeah ur right, so many other things can go wrong... But after iv realised that really wasn't the right thing to say to put someone off the test, an obviously made me google all the other things that can go wrong. An now I find myself looking at my 12 week scan n comparing it to googles scans with high nuchal measurements (which is crazy I realise, n in my very amateur guess my scan looks normal) I'm 13 + 2 now so itl end up being too late, although I hear there's a blood test u can have past 14 weeks instead but I still dunno if it's the right thing to do testing at all really, don't think I ever really got to make an educated decision about it cos it was all so rushed! I don't think she was trying to be an aweful mw, she's friendly enough, but I don't have much faith in her now that I no her views on the chances of happy pregnancy (poor woman proly has no clue how much her passing comment has bothered me lol), however luckily for me she's jus covering maternity leave n will be gone in a month. Sorry about this rather long post, feels good to get it out tho! It's been bothering me ever since she left my house that day n I realised what had just happened lol. So do the tests not just test for downs exclusively then?

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Mon 24-Feb-14 06:14:52

The Nuchal scan does test for Down's, but an abnormal measurement can also be indicative of Edwards, Pataus or other serious genetic conditions. Obviously you may well be at an age/risk level where you are low risk of Downs. But other conditions, and even Down's can strike quite randomly. TBH, the sonographer at your 12 week scan will very likely have known precisely what they were looking at anyway in terms of abnormality and 'soft markers and is legally obliged to tell you if they see anything. BUT, from the point of view of someone who is going through this, if there is any doubt it's far better to know now than in 28 weeks time. This person is basically controlling people's futures and she needs reporting. Imagine not feeling the way you do and getting to the next scan or even birth, and finding out bad news! sad

Alb1 Mon 24-Feb-14 07:09:05

Yeah that would be pretty devastating, and if it had have come back as high risk, we may well have changed our minds about wanting the amino done etc, it's quite hard to judge what we'd have done really, we might have wanted to get all the information possible, she really shud have been more objective about the whole thing rather than tryna put us off, it's odd that she even did it to be honest, can't see how it affects her either way. Think I'm gona look into the quads blood test more today n decide if I want that done instead to give me the option back, I'm not sure if it's as accurate but it'd still give us a risk factor either way n mean that we can either go through the options of further test if it is high risk, or jus put the whole thing behind us if it's not

Aoifebelle Mon 24-Feb-14 07:40:37

If it is any consolation, when my 12 weeks scan did not go well, the large nuchal was clearly visible to my eye, and got noticeably larger between the three scans I had, but we had a very large reading (over 8mm) with other areas of fluid build up.

squizita Mon 24-Feb-14 07:53:08

Alb I just second what everyone else says - especially that it isn't only testing for Down's Syndrome but for other conditions which lead to stillbirth/late MC (these are very rare but obviously better psychologically/physically found as early as poss). What that MW suggested was downright dangerous!

I've got my next scan in a week and a bit so this is a sane week for me grin. If you want some wet fish action come find me in 7 days.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Mon 24-Feb-14 09:00:48

Reading back, I sound very scare mongery, im sorry for that and I'm sure everything IS just fine. Like I said, Sonographers know what they are looking at.
I'm very cross at your MW though. She really needs sorting out. sad angry

Lottystar Mon 24-Feb-14 10:24:05

Alb, sorry to hear your midwife had been damn unhelpful and I haven't had a chance to read back on all the comments alas as a bit of a busy morning but I remembered seeing something about this in my pregnancy notes. I'm not sure what gestation you are now but on my 12 week scan notes it says you can have a 'Quadruple' test after 12 weeks have passed to test for what would usually be the combined screening test. I'd request another midwife and say you'd like this test to be completed if it's too late for 12 week scan which it sounds like x

JBrd Mon 24-Feb-14 10:25:48

alb Agree about your midwife being very out of order! So the reason not to have the test is just issues with appointment availability?! Tough luck, that is her problem to sort out! Sounds to me as if she was either trying to lessen her own workload, or possibly they have had instructions 'from above' to keep within certain quotas... Neither of which is an excuse, everyone should have the option to decide if they want the test.
If you manage to get it sorted quickly, you might still be able to get the Downs test done this week. I'm not completely sure what the exact cut-off date is, but I think I remember it's something like 13+6 (happy to be corrected)? If you can, bypass your midwife, either by talking to your GP or possibly the hospital directly, to see if they can squeeze you in. If they can make it top priority, there might be a chance.

Penguin I'm glad you managed to make your DH see the error of his ways. Prams are so important! When pg with DS, we once spent about 2 hours in a pram shop, going through every model they had... The staff were so lovely and helpful, and I felt almost guilty for not buying a pram there in the end (but we managed to get BIL's/SIL's Bugaboo for free grin). We did buy the car seat, though - one of the two things that we bought brand new for DS, everything else was second-hand.

Oh, I feel so bleurgh this morning smile, I actually thought about staying at home. And even though I'm thinking that having this (decaff) coffee was a bad idea, I feel very reassured.
However, as before, eating seems to be the only thing that keeps the sickness at bay, so I'm a bit worried about weight gain... I've only just managed to shed all the weight I had piled on with DS, don't really want to put it back on again! Anyone got any suggestions for low-cal savoury snacks that are filling?! I'm really craving salty food at the moment, have gone off sweets (totally unusual for me, but I had that last time, too), all I want is cheese and olives...

LondonJen Mon 24-Feb-14 11:00:09

Alb I'm sorry to hear you've had all this to deal with. Not what you need and am quite shocked tbh. I know mw's can't all be wonderful and chirpy and sensitive but I would expect them to all stick to the script re basic things like offering tests. Quite stunned. I hope you can resolve this soon.

Penguin hurrah! I suspect my dp will be the same when we get that far (positive thoughts!) He keeps saying this baby will be an ebay baby. That's fine in theory but I really want to go to a baby shop and skip down the aisles holding hands and purchasing shiney new things!

Jbrd I don't know about low cal I'm afraid. I've been all over the carbs; crumpets, bagels, even frozen potato waffles, and now eating an entire microwave rice portion as an afternoon snack. It's not wonder I can't fasten my jeans! I did manage an avocado and tomatoes with my jacket potato the other day. I guess granary bread? Maybe brown rice? I don't know if they are low cale but they are supposed to keep you fuller for longer.

Last few days I have experienced a change though, hunger-sickness is less intense and when a big meal is presented to me I struggle to eat it. This and the fact I need next bra size are making me feel better because they are the only things that are different from the last pregnancy. I know that means sod all really but it makes it feel distinct which my sanity needs.

Today I am literally stood at the beginning of the time period it all went wrong last time. I may be in need of a lot of fish slaps over the next 2.5 weeks...

Pixielady83 Mon 24-Feb-14 11:42:06

alb sorry to hear about the test - I hope you get it sorted. It is amazing how much variation there is in advice from mws and hcps in general... sad it's not what you need when you're in such a stressful situation anyway.

penguin yay for pram shopping. My DH started with 'oh we'll just pick any old 2nd hand pram up' and we ended up with a bugaboo - he got a bit into testing them all out grin It was probably one of the only things we bought brand new though, we did do 2nd hand for a lot or were leant or passed things down which was awesome. I am (still) pleased that I got my shiny bugaboo though, even though it's 2nd time round for it I got a really warm glow pulling out all the bits the other day!

jbrd I've not managed to eat terribly healthy in any of my pregnancies, particularly 1st trimester as I go off so much food and just want carbs crisps and pie DH reckons I get a lot of my vitamins from my cereal addiction blush I do think in the first trimester in particular, there is enough to worry about without stressing about weight gain so do be kind to yourself smile

Second day of period pain and had some BH yesterday, hopefully things are starting to happen. The period pains are just making me want to curl up and go to sleep! Not a productive way to encourage labour??! I am thinking dilating thoughts... should probably be bouncing on my ball but really need a snooze!

LondonJen Mon 24-Feb-14 12:21:41

Am copying the list over from the last thread so I can nosey at all the due dates..!

LondonJen Mon 24-Feb-14 12:22:57

Stats 24 February *Today we are pregnant*:

TotalShock 0DC, 1MMC, EDD 1 March
Pixielady83 1DD, 1MMC, EDD 2 March
GuffSmuggler: 1DS, 1MCC, EDD 4 March
Rock: 1DS, 1MMC, EDD 4 March
Swangirl:1DD,2DS,1MC EDD 8 March 2014
SaggyOldClothPussCat: 1MC, 1DD, 1DS, EDD 13 March
Motorcyclemama: 1MMC, EDD 17 March
Omri: 1DS, 1MMS, EDD 24 March
Fod27: 1DD 1DS 1MMC EDD 26th March 2014
RainbowConnections: 1DS, 2MC, EDD 1 April
Birdsdoit: 1MMC, 0DC, EDD 6 April
Blackberryand Nettle: 1MMC, EDD 10th April
Katatonic: 1MMC, 0DC, EDD 11 April
TeaAndANatter: DS, DD, 1MMC, 18th April
Honey786: 0DC, 1MMC ,EDD 19th April
Kjh5: 0DC, 1MC, EDD 21 April 2014
PoppySeedBun: 0DC, 1 MMC, EDD 22 April 2014
thepiggotupandslowlywalkedaway - 3MC, 1 DS, EDD 29 April 2014
ImpatientlyWaiting: 0DC, 1MC, EDD 1 May 2014
MarthasHarbour: 1DS, 2MCs, EDD 7 May 2014
Tomkat: EDD 9 May 2014
Polka: 0DC 1mmc 2mc EDD 9th May
CbeebiesIsMyLife: 2DD's 6MC EDD 15th May
MissMedusa: 0DC, 2MC, EDD 20th May 2014
Emki; 1 DD, 2MC, EDD 23rd May 2014
Penguinita: 0 DC, 1 MMC, EDD 27th May 2014
Bakingtins: EDD 6th June
PGchimp: 0DC, 1 MC, EDD 9th June 2014
MeDoingMyThing: 2 DS, 1MC, EDD 14th June 2014
AliceBear: 1 DD 1mmc 1mc edd 23 june
Getagoldtoof: 1dc, 1mmc, 1mc edd 2 July
Louzul: 1MC, EDD 17 July

Thread Babies:

Jessw25 Baby Oliver born 9 July 2013 5lb 11oz
GaryBuseysTeeth Baby Alexander born 30 July 2013 7lb 4oz
Andadietcoke twin girls born 29 August Charlotte 5lb 5oz & Sophie 7lb 13oz
Pentagon baby Elsie born 23 October 7lb 5oz
Bodicea baby James born 3 November 8lb
Ibelieveinpink baby Imogen born 14 November 7lb 4oz
BumpKitty baby Matilda born 18 Nov 8lb 2oz
Luckysocks13 baby Charlotte born 24 Nov 8lb
Jmf294 baby Alexander James born 25 Nov 7lb 4oz
Shellsocks baby Noah Stephen born 27 Nov 9lb 3.5oz
Gardenworm baby Wolfie born 1 December
Janielovesluckysocks baby Leo Thomas born 4 Dec 7lb 5oz
Bootyluscious baby Sofia born 17 December 6lb 2oz
ChocolateTeabag: baby Joss born 18 December 7lb 7oz
Blackholes: Baby girl born 23 December
WhatwillSantabring: Baby boy born 6 January 8lbs 7oz
pumpkinsweetie: Baby girl born 7 January 6lb 4 oz
Christinedaae - 1DD, 1MC, EDD 25th Jan -needs updating
Lieslvontrapp: 1MMC, 0DC, EDD 10 Feb -needs updating

squizita Mon 24-Feb-14 12:23:50

Jbird I am the same- savoury snacks fend off the sick feeling. I do indulge in crisps (as at my 8 week weigh in I seemed the same weight as normal and fat = less clexane burn) but I also have flavoured rice cakes, flavoured nairns oat cakes, mini baby bel light, ryvita and miso soup, toast and marmite.
I haven't gone off sweet things AT ALL either, have got very into mini weetabix and 'cluster' cereals (rich in folic acid --and chocolate chunks--), cheap dairy milk choc and (more healthily) yoghurt.

Feel sick today but not been sick. Best of both worlds. smile

LondonJen Mon 24-Feb-14 12:24:53

Sorry not to look for christine and liesl's new info if anyone has time to edit pse do x

Pixie a nap and a baby is all we ask of you smile

LondonJen Mon 24-Feb-14 12:26:05

Mmm mini babybels..

Pixielady83 Mon 24-Feb-14 12:29:10

Thanks london that shifts things into perspective shock grin Friends have just text saying they're coming over (nothing like a bit of notice eh) so have woken up and now just need to hide the empty biscuit packets beside me

Actually I've just remembered that total is having her baby tomorrow! Best of luck total!!!

Davmallem2013 Mon 24-Feb-14 12:33:57

I feel a bit silly asking this but when should I be speaking to a MW from my GP? I am 8+3 and haven not kids and just my history of mess up. So far I have had telephone call with my GP at 5 weeks ish mark when he tried to get me EPAU scan but in the end had to get private one and that's my only contact, so have nothing else booked & don't know what to do or expect. Don't want to call them to ask as receptionists are full of 'tude' at my doctors so feel stupid asking?

squizita Mon 24-Feb-14 12:43:35

Dav your GP should have 'booked you in' with a midwife. If s/he hasn't, you can do this directly (via ante-natal at your local hospital). I would try to do this this week: you need to be booked in and have a scan prior to week 13.

My GP didn't book me in one of my lost pregnancies until after a scan (which sadly showed an empty sac) so maybe this was your GPs plan BUT they should have picked up on it by now. Let them know about this error (not booking in a woman with a history of MC) so they don't do it again!

Davmallem2013 Mon 24-Feb-14 12:52:19

Thanks very much squizita I will give my surgery a call and see when I can get in to see a MW smile

Aoifebelle Mon 24-Feb-14 13:20:23

Hi dav you might need to man up a bit on this one. You need to get a date for your booking in with a midwife. this will then trigger bloods/scans etc. I do find it all very confusing and it has changed each time I have done this and I know what you mean about the tude. That said, you are going to have to face up to the tude, and get the info you need. May as well get the practice in, this won't be the first time you will have to do this to get what you need.

LondonJen Mon 24-Feb-14 16:01:53

Been struggling today. I don't know why I didn't see this coming. I knew any pregnancy after mmc would be hard, but I thought this pregnancy would be mostly full of fear because of the previous outcome. I naively didn't expect to find myself feeling the sad grief of the end of last year again during these first 12 weeks. I thought I'd just be anxious about the new bubba. Of course it makes sense that I would feel this way but it's made me ever so sad today.

I have buried myself in my knit-kit and now have a little blue dog, that just needs a nose sewing on to complete him. I don't think knitting is for me tho' it bloody hurts my fingers!

TotalShock Mon 24-Feb-14 16:12:12

Thanks pixie!!

We're actually just sat in hospital now for pre op but been here for ages as doctors keeps getting called back to the labour ward...

I've been trying to keep up but been busy trying to bury my head in the sand! Can't believe it's tomorrow. Nervous

Hope everyone is well and I'll try to catch up properly but so glad your scan went well jbrd and I hope you get further testing sorted Alb

JBrd Mon 24-Feb-14 16:37:57

Oooh, I want to update the stats list and add myself, but am scared I'll jinx it all!

Good luck total, not long until you hold your baby!

fod27 Mon 24-Feb-14 16:39:30

Oooo total good luck!

I've been in agony all day! Had pain in my lower back and andomen ;,( (real take your breath away pain) with lots of pressure, managed the drive home (thought I was in labour!) phoned the MA and been advised to take a bath and paracetamol.... Soooo let's see

Pixielady83 Mon 24-Feb-14 16:57:54

Ooooh the race is on total and fod who will be first! grin total it's all going to be fine. Remember to keep on top of your painkillers religiously and you'll be surprised at how quickly you start to feel better. Remember big knickers are your friend post section also! (that go above your scar).

london I'm sorry it's hitting you just now. Maybe it's best to give yourself permission to do some grieving in the next couple of weeks and accept that the sadness does stay with you, even when you're moving on to happier times. It is healthier to process this than bottle it up (and I speak as someone who didn't really give myself permission to grieve my mmc properly, just flung myself back into ttc and then pregnancy, and it does creep up and catch me out from time to time still). Have an unmumsnet hug and some brew

fod27 Mon 24-Feb-14 17:02:37

Oh it'll be total

Aoifebelle Mon 24-Feb-14 17:23:52

London I stayed in bed all day Friday dealing with aftermath. Despite massive pressure at work I am making cough drop my number one priority. I was really struggling on Friday. My normal reaction would be to buck myself up and get on with it, but my new attitude meant that I found it a lot easier to give myself permission to take some time out to feel sad and freak out. It hasn't meant the sadness has gone away, but I do feel better able to move forward and face the scan having taken the time to deal with last time round and the fears that has generated.

Fod I misread your post and thought you had been horny all day. Each to their own I thought. In pain makes much more sense.

total hasn't been a thread baby for a few weeks and now it looks like we will have two at once. Let's hope that is the only way they resemble London buses.

Alb1 Mon 24-Feb-14 17:32:42

Ooo total how exciting! And fod aswell, hopefully this is the start of it for you!

Afraid I can't help on the snack front, iv actually lost a fair bit of weight since getting pregnant, ibs has meant I can basically eat nothing other than bread until about a week ago, even the pregnancy vitamins set it off. Slowly startin to be able to eat normal food again now tho (as long as I avoid potato, fizzy stuff n anything strongly flavoured) so I'm sure my weight will rocket up soon. On past diets tho iv found cracker bread amazing for low fat snacks, and marshmallows for sweet ones.

Having a mini wobble now as I jus finally caved to family pressure n told me 12 year old sister about the pregnancy (wanted to wait till 20 week, but everyone's decided now I'm past 12 weeks it's insanity to think anythin will go wrong) n I briefly took DP into mothercare to demonstrate why we can't jus 'buy the cheapest of everything off the internet' which worked quite well, he's now jus as confused by the crazy world of prams and travel systems as I am. It's a positive wobble really, it's jus odd havin a full day of acknowledging the pregnancy in real life!

Thanks for everyone's support on the mw n tests thing, gona talk to DP about it properly again when he's home tomorrow n decide what to do.

Dav I hope ur gp gets it together n sorts ur midwife referral for u, mw's can be hard to track down at the best of times without the gp slowing the process down!

kjh5 Mon 24-Feb-14 17:54:14

Ooh good luck Total! wow - this time tomorrow you'll have your bubba smile what a lovely thought. Hope you get seen quickly, will be thinking of you tomorrow.

Just been to see my GP for the 32 weeks appt, she really is lovely. Apparently everything is 'wonderful' with the baby, whose head is most certainly not engaged. He's the right size, I'm not putting on too much weight and when I mentioned I hadn't yet had the whooping cough jab she was out the door to the nurses room and had a needle in my arm so damn fast I got whiplash... so guess I've now had the jab!

Fod hope everything is ok (will be exciting if we get two thread babies at once!) Did you ever see anyone about the swollen ankles? I just had a chat to my GP about mine, she said because my BP was good and there was no protein in my urine she wasn't too concerned but that she will keep an eye on me and double check how things are going in two weeks.

Adding to the unmumsnetty hugs London sounds like you need some xx

MrsGiraffe12 Mon 24-Feb-14 18:34:30

Good luck total this time tomorrow you will have your baby in your arms :-)

And fod sounds like things could be kicking off :-) exciting!

Just been told one of my best friends is pregnant, and you will never guess what, we share a due date, AND she's got the scan appointment after mine on Wednesday. Beyond over the moon at this as she had cancer last year and was told she wouldn't have babies naturally :-) xx

MrsGiraffe12 Mon 24-Feb-14 18:35:25

Wet fish needed at all the smiley faces in my above post. Though must admit it's better than all the doom and gloom of my recent posts!! x

Alb1 Mon 24-Feb-14 18:44:55

Aww that's lovely news, amazing what can change for someone in a year, she must be extatic :-)

LondonJen Mon 24-Feb-14 19:02:36

Thank you ladies. I think you are right Pixie and Aoife. I had a good cry in the shower, that always feels 'cealnsing', and I am feeling a bit better now. As I said to DP this eve, with the anxiety, you probably should distract yourself to help yourself but when you feel sad about something that is sad, well that's just how it is isn't it?

Also, mmc was October. The grief really hit me hard end of Nov/Dec. In Jan I literally felt myself emotionally turn a corner. Then we ttc and weeks later I was pregnant. So I went straight to anxiety and trying to appreciate being pg again. So it has been a while since I really had a run in with the grief. I don't know why I thought it would only be sad later in this pregnancy?! Eg my EDD is the same date I was in hosptial last year. Slightly odd logic!

So yes, I think it's a bit like I felt in December -just something I have to feel my way through not get over or get past but literally through. Think there are just going to be even more feelings over the next 2.5 weeks than I expected!

Anyway, enough about me. Kjh can we have that gin and tonic you mentioned earlier?!

Sending you all best wishes for tomorrow Total

Penguinita Mon 24-Feb-14 19:02:55

alb if there is one thing I have learned this pregnancy it is sadly that some midwives just don't know their arse from their elbow. Sounds like unfortunately you got one of those. Some areas don't do the nuchal scan on the nhs but it doesn't sound like yours is one of them. You can get it done privately for about £100 but you shouldn't have to pay if you don't have to!

Sounds like things could be moving along fod and pixie, hope so! And pots of luck for tomorrow total, how exciting! Wouldn't it be great to have three thread babies on the same day smile

That's just lovely news about your friend MrsG .

DH is getting big into the prams now. Anything with suspension and proper tyres gets him excited. He has been on car forums asking other blokes for advice, oh dear hmm

Regarding savoury snacks, I had a big thing for breadsticks in the first trimester. You can get little crisp sized packets that fit in your handbag, hopefully they are a bit healthier than crisps. I'm a bit worried I've let my healthy eating slip though - I've put on 3 lbs in the last week! Eek! shock

MrsGiraffe12 Mon 24-Feb-14 19:05:47

I'm so excited for her, it's amazing news and so much fun that we're going through this together.

She didn't know about my pregnancy till today either. Only reason we told each other is because she asked me to have her DC on Wednesday as she said she had hospital appointment. I though follow up for her cancer. I said I couldn't as I had doc appointment. She said she was desperate as no one else could have DC and could I change appointment. Told her no as my appointment was my 12 week scan. She was quiet then cried a bit. I thought it was cuz she was told no natural children etc and was sad for herself. Then she said "that's what my appointment is too". We were jumping round screaming and hugging each other. Just crazy our appointments are one after the other. Gonna go for lunch together with our DHs after if it's good news for us both. Also taking a trip up maternity to see a friend who had her baby last night and will tell her together both our news then.

Horray for posifrickintivity ;-)

Aoifebelle Mon 24-Feb-14 19:13:19

That is a gurt lush story giraffe Best of luck to both of you.

Pixielady83 Mon 24-Feb-14 19:19:44

mrsg I love stories like that, such wonderful news for your friend. There is hope for everyone smile

penguin I am lol-ing at your DH asking for advice on car forums! grin

Don't hold your breath for a thread baby from this corner tomorrow, period pains have stopped again now. Boo hiss. Still, that's another day of sitting on the sofa watching rubbish telly and eating biscuits for me tomorrow, every cloud eh wink

MrsGiraffe12 Mon 24-Feb-14 19:22:01

You couldn't make it up if you tried!!

Good luck to all having babies / scans this week x

Aoifebelle Mon 24-Feb-14 19:39:22

pixie I have money on you still being here at the end of this current thread.wink only 700 or so posts to go.

kjh5 Mon 24-Feb-14 20:16:18

Ahhh! MrsG that has made me tear up good and proper, how lovely for both of you!!!

Crikey London don't tempt me! I'm working from home tonight and there is a bottle of gin glaring at me from across the room... I wanted DH to buy me some tonic on the way home from work so I can dose it up with lemon wedges and pretend it's got gin in it. He refused. He is currently painting the bathroom, wonder what he'll do if I walk in there pretending to swig from the gin bottle to tell him dinner is ready? <sniggers> must stop being so juvenile

On a serious note sounds like you need something treat-worthy tonight. Hope your DH is giving you lots of love xx

squizita Mon 24-Feb-14 20:38:36

Oh MrsG that's such a lovely story. smile

GuffSmuggler Mon 24-Feb-14 20:53:15

Thinking of you for tomorrow total SO EXCITING!!!

And good luck fod!!!! Hope things progress quickly for you and you will have your baby in your arms before you know it.

I was hoping that I felt a couple of twinges earlier but think it's definitely wishful thinking and just baby burying into my pelvis a bit more!!

OddSocksandHoleyPants Mon 24-Feb-14 21:08:56

Hello... Can I join you all? I am 5+4 after a mc at 6wks a few months ago. Currently thinking this one is going to go the same way as I feel so well (I didn't feel sick last time, but was v sick in previous successful pgs). One of my dcs was stillborn as well, so however long this pg lasts I'm going to find it hard to relax... But I didn't expect to find each day so long already with all the what ifs going round, or to find it so scary each time I visit the loo!
Any tips?
The mw I saw last time has moved on, and there's been no offer of an early reassurance scan - did anyone else have to push for one after mc?

Aoifebelle Mon 24-Feb-14 21:26:41

oddsocks welcome. We will be needing newcomers as it looks like we are about to have some graduates.

So sorry to hear about your past losses, it is really tough to tackle pregnancy again after what you have been through. Our mantra on this thread is prosfrickintivity, because today we are pregnant.

My best tip is to spill all your anxieties here. You will be heard and understood. You will get the support you need, and on the occassions you freak out cos you accidentally ate two grams of unpasteurised brie you will be slapped with a wet fish.

Getting a reassurance scan seems to be patchy. My epau let's women with a history of mc self refer, but others on here have struggled more. Given your circumstances, I think it is entirely reasonable to get a few more scans along the way.

fod27 Mon 24-Feb-14 21:30:14

kjh no in the end I took bed rest and the swelling went down very similar to you - BP was ok etc so I didn't worry too much

Thanks guff I thought I'd try to have a sleep - I heard that can bring it on - nothing - then pain started again -so took the usual soak with a paracetamol - then nothing!
So I've ran up and down the stairs (well the last 3 steps due to SPD) now watching OBEM in the hope it'll give my uterus ideas - not holding my breath tho

fedupofrainydays Mon 24-Feb-14 21:40:23

Ooooooh total I'm excited for you! And fod and pixie

I eat so much in first trimester as only way I can stop
The sickness. I put on a stone in first tri with my first preg (3.5 in total!!) and think about 4 lbs so far with this one. Mmc was only about 5 lbs in 12 weeks and second mc was much earlier loss so didn't gain much weight at all. I'm not worried though (i might say otherwise when can't get jeans past knees!!) Mine is savoury too - beige food and cheese. Monster munch are my heroes.

I too am not sure I want to add my stats. I did with last mc and look where that got me.

penguin laughing at your DH and car forums - hilarious!!!

mrsg chuffed for your friend, that's lovely news.

OddSocksandHoleyPants Mon 24-Feb-14 21:41:07

Thanks for your welcome aoife, you made me smile smile. As long as no one slaps me with a wet fish if I do start feeling sick, that might be a bit messy!

fedupofrainydays Mon 24-Feb-14 21:47:45

Ugh. Fish. Another one for the vom pile!!

Welcome oddsocks I didn't feel sick with this preg until was over 6 weeks so may just be coming! But with my first preg I'm sure I was sick from bfp... So I worried too. Every preg is different and.... Today we are pregnant!!

Night ladies.. Too tired to stay up for obem and I cry at every birth so have recorded it and will watch when enough energy to cope with the emotions!!!

TotalShock Mon 24-Feb-14 22:02:41

Ooooo fod I thought you might be joining me tomorrow! And pixie not far behind, thanks for the tips. I do have some rather attractive large pants but will have to keep on top of the painkillers like you say

Thank you all for all your messages xx

What a lovely story MrsG. That is so wonderful for you both

guff any twinges yet?

Welcome oddsocks. You will find so much support here!

How are you and ryvita saggy?

JBrd Mon 24-Feb-14 22:15:26

Welcome, oddsocks, glad you found your way here.
I was exactly the same, getting worried that I didn't have any symptoms. Had bad ms with DS (my successful pregnancy) that started really early, but nothing with any of the mcs.
Well, I started feeling queasy on and off at about 6-7 weeks, am now 8 weeks, and for the last couple of days, have felt really rough. So it might still happen for you!
Or, it might not - every pregnancy is different, and a lack of symptoms doesn't necessarily mean bad news.

Pixielady83 Mon 24-Feb-14 22:22:02

welcome oddsocks smile so sorry to hear about your previous losses. I really hope this pregnancy goes smoothly for you. I didn't feel sick with any of my pregnancies until 8 weeks so try not to worry about that. My advice is to use this thread to air your worries, the ladies on here are brilliant, and take one day at a time - today you are pregnant! I tried to stay really busy in the first 12 weeks too, helped take my mind off the anxiety and the sickness too, my worst days were when I was at home all day.

ruth1104 Mon 24-Feb-14 22:23:44

aww what an amazing story mrs G, and what a lovely thing to be going through with your friend.
Welcome oddsocks! This is a nice place to air the crazy worries and realise that everyone else has them too. I understand what you mean about comparing symptoms, I'm so relieved that a lot of my symptoms are different this time around but if I'm realistic about it, I know that doesn't really mean anything! Every pregnancy is different and lots of people don't have ms especially so early

fod27 Mon 24-Feb-14 22:28:46

total wishing you a wonderful healthy arrival tomorrow! Soooo jealous!

I'm thinking I may be in incredibly slow labour! ;(

Aoifebelle Tue 25-Feb-14 00:15:17

Eeek fod slow motion labour can't think of anything worse.

fod27 Tue 25-Feb-14 01:38:01

It's vile Aoife I'd rather it stopped or happened this limbo business is no good

bakingtins Tue 25-Feb-14 07:27:37

Ooooh! good luck for total fod and pixie I love it when the babies start arriving!

Welcome oddsocks

MrsG how lovely for you and your friend. Hope you have the most fabulous lunch ever!

fod27 Tue 25-Feb-14 08:15:16

Thanks baking

Ok so pains came abd went until 2am! DH all ready for the hospital (as he's a truck driver I was soo pleased he was at home last night) then came the sickness and then nothin again grrrrrrrrrrrrr

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Tue 25-Feb-14 08:34:38

Welcome OddSocks. smile
Pixie Fod and Total you all sound really promising! It looks like it might be a photo finish! grin
Im doing ok. Ryvita is still in situ, had loads of BH yesterday any time u stood up, some interesting Stabby fanjo pains and thus morning the teeniest hint of pink goop when I wiped. confused
Nothing is actually happening though besides me getting rattier and rattier with DP! Maybe that's a sign! He ran the dog over with the door this morning and the poor wee chaps got a proper limp on now. It made me want to slam DPs head in it! angry confused
If he needs the vet, im going to lose it!
I have an Antenatal later to monitor my BP. I'm fairly certain I know which direction it's going in! sad

squizita Tue 25-Feb-14 08:59:25

Fod Hope it speeds up! Had a friend who was on the cusp of labour for several days with her first (she took to berating her bump to "get a wriggle on" but with other words one shouldn't use in front of children unless muffled in utero) but then the labour itself was thankfully not unusually long. FX it's the same for you but without the several days!

Pixie and Total ooooh exciting times. smile

Saggy Is Ryvita getting in on the action then?

Could it be a 4-way-tie?

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Tue 25-Feb-14 09:18:27

I hope so Squiz. The urge to kill is almost overpowering! sad sad

OddSocksandHoleyPants Tue 25-Feb-14 09:45:32

Thanks for the warm welcome everyone. I've called the mw this morning and left a message asking for an early scan. I just don't feel pg sad.

Good luck all those hoping for labour to start - I remember being told that walking with one foot on the pavement and one in the road started it off for my friend. I thought she was mad, but I did end up trying it!!

Pixielady83 Tue 25-Feb-14 10:05:50

saggy you and ryvita are sounding pretty good too, and they do say extreme mood changes can be a sign! grin

glad you think things sound promising, I just feel like a crazy lady as I keep thinking its happening then it all stops. Last time it was just 'bang' waters gone, contractions started, in labour.

Last night I fell asleep, woke to 3 big BH, had to run to the toilet (tmi) then felt all fluey and shivery and had period pain thereafter. Back to sleep only to be woken by baby repeatedly head butting cervix and causing shooting pain, this went on for ages and I had to sit up as it was too painful to lie down. I should have got up to bounce on my ball really but was too warm in bed. Lots of bouncing today I think! at least it is a really beautiful day so I can get the washing all done grin

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Tue 25-Feb-14 10:15:36

Pixie I have a ball too. Sadly its not quite got enough air in it and it ends up rather flat when I sit on it! blush
I cant locate the bycicle pump and adapter either! confused

GuffSmuggler Tue 25-Feb-14 10:18:51

Urgh pixie that doesn't sound good. I was the same last time, DS would have been here by now, I wasn't expecting him to come a week early and I just went into labour and he was here about 8 hours later! I'm definitely overthinking it this time, but I guess the WHOLE PG has been overthought due to the MC so why would the birth be any different!

Hope you Fod and saggy all get going ASAP <with me not far behind>

Welcome oddsocks my best advice is get through one week at a time in the early days, seemed much easier if I could just set small milestones.

GuffSmuggler Tue 25-Feb-14 10:19:10

PS thinking of you total!!

Pixielady83 Tue 25-Feb-14 10:29:58

oh no saggy can you beg steal or borrow an adaptor and pump? smile

watching obem to see if it encourages matters. Either that or my cervix will close up for business entirely grin

OddSocksandHoleyPants Tue 25-Feb-14 11:39:08

Well, the mw wasn't helpful about an early scan. No point as I'm not bleeding etc. arghh, there is a point, it might stop me going crazy! I know what she means, but wish there was something I could do other than just wait.
Thanks guff, not sure I can even manage a week atm. Right now I will just get to lunch time...

Aoifebelle Tue 25-Feb-14 12:29:59

oddsocks if you have the money you might want to consider going private should be about £100. So unfair that we all have such different experiences.

bakingtins Tue 25-Feb-14 12:42:36

oddsocks I'm afraid it's a sad fact that your emotional wellbeing is not an NHS priority. I had to get to 4MC before I got regular scans in first trimester. I can see their point, 15% of pregnancies miscarry, maybe a third to a half of women will have a miscarriage at some point in their childbearing career, that's a lot of early scans.
8 weeks is a good point to have a scan - if you have a positive scan at that point your MC risk drops to 3%, and you'll be able to see a little bean with arms and legs waving. Any earlier and confusion about dates can make the scan inconclusive so it may be more worrying than reassuring. 8 weeks also neatly halves the wait from BFP to 12 week scan. You can usually get a private reassurance scan for less than £100.

fedupofrainydays Tue 25-Feb-14 13:13:03

oddsocks I think I would just book a private scan rather than wrestle with NHS. I think I've been lucky as my EPU felt sorry for me and after my last mc said when I was there that when I got pregnant again they would scan me at 6 weeks. They said phone up direct and not go via gp or mw - they knew my name which is both a good and bad thing I guess. It was also because I had suspected ectopic last time round. That aside, the EPU is run by the only empathetic medical professional I have met and she says she does that for people who have had a rough time as she gets how horrid it is.
But all epu work differently and are inconsistent nationally so I would just go for a private scan - I would be doing that if I didn't have a scan next week.
And I agree with baking as last mc I asked gp if I could have early scan - outright 'no' for the reasons that mc is so 'common' and couldn't do it for everyone who had a mc.

JBrd Tue 25-Feb-14 13:30:06

Sorry to hear that your mw is less than forthcoming, odd The differences in care don't cease to amaze me - I mean, anyone who has had a mc is bound to be so anxious, but whereas in some places this is recognised and acknowledged, in others you are just left to fend for yourself.
Do you think you might be able to get your GP to refer you...? Or call the EPU directly? Someone might take pity. And yes, if everything else fails, I would also recommend a private scan. Expensive, but you will get some reassurance. Good luck!

Any news from the ladies with the twinges/pains...? total should have had her baby by now, right?

I feel so sick today, not even eating is helping much. I've even resorted to drinking effin' ginger tea, which is a) vile and b) does bugger all. Of course it all had to kick off the week DH is away! I could have cried this morning, trying to get DS dressed. Boo. I've been so unproductive at work yesterday and today, but thankfully, nothing urgent is on the plate right now.

But I had a very positive booking appointment, my midwife is great. This is going to be a very medical pregnancy, due to me being ancient, having RMC issues and a history of DVT, and there is a strong possibility I might have to have an ELCS. But whatever works!

kjh5 Tue 25-Feb-14 14:42:15

Welcome oddsocks - today you are pregnant! smile Sorry to hear you are having a hard time with a reassurance scan. As a few people have pointed out, sometimes it is better just to go direct with your EPU, is yours self referral? If so, might be worth phoning up and asking them if you can book yourself in for a scan.

JBrd happy to hear you have a supportive mw - makes such a huge difference!

Hope Total is doing ok and has her bubba wrapped up in her arms right now...

I had such a dreadful night's sleep thanks to bad SPD and an arm that was literally ON FIRE! I knew the whooping cough vac was supposed to be unpleasant but as I hardly felt her inject me I thought people might have been exaggerating... apparently not! yes I am a wimp

The thought of going to work a haggard, exhausted mess is not appealing right now - only three shifts left to go and it feels like an eternity. Although DH has pointed out that come Friday, I can stay in bed all day if I want. The thought is oddly appealing!

fedupofrainydays Tue 25-Feb-14 18:21:17

Who was talking about cheese yesterday? OMG my cheese craving is insatiable! Last pregnancy I joked that my weight was predominately baby bel and now I remember why!

JBrd Tue 25-Feb-14 18:36:36

Me, fedup! Although lots of people contributed. I now crave Babybel with a vengeance. Might have to pop into the shops with DS after work tomorrow to get some grin

TotalShock Tue 25-Feb-14 18:47:11

Hi ladies,

Baby James arrived at 1257 at 8lb 1. Can't believe it!

Just nicely back to ward and feeling back and I'm starving!

Catch up later x

fedupofrainydays Tue 25-Feb-14 19:00:24

Hooray!!! Congratulations total and I love the name James too! Well done you xxx

jbrd my prob is I already have a stash of babybels in the fridge that it rapidly decreasing!!!

squizita Tue 25-Feb-14 19:14:51

Jbird I've been at the bels already.

Total WOO CONGRATULATIONS! smile smile smile

bakingtins Tue 25-Feb-14 19:17:00

Congratulations total and welcome to the big wide world baby James!

fod27 Tue 25-Feb-14 19:25:40

Thanks squiz and guff I hope she gets her bottom into gear soon ;)

Yayyyy for total and her little man! Über jealous but mega pleased for you!!!

Quick question guys I've been loosing lots and lots of discharge - is this normal?

fod27 Tue 25-Feb-14 19:35:55

Ooooo saggy just seen youvd had a show!!!!! Yayyyy!!!

Aoifebelle Tue 25-Feb-14 19:49:51

Woo hoo. Thread baby. Nice size and all. I like James. Made the mistake of looking on the baby name thread yesterday. People there are just nasty.

I am building up a good head of scan doom. Also have incredibly sore boobs. If there is no baby in there it will shock me to my core.

GuffSmuggler Tue 25-Feb-14 20:47:28

Fabulous news total!!! You did it!!!!!! grin grin grin Enjoy those lovely, gorgeous, snuggly cuddles. Hope you recover quickly xxx

JBrd Tue 25-Feb-14 20:54:04

Congratulations total how lovely! Well done you and welcome baby James! Hope you're all feeling well and recovering quickly thanks xx

I still feel bleurgh, even though I just had a very substantial dinner of 'posh' beans and tuna salad (couldn't be bothered to cook, opening tins was all I felt capable of).
I will now make myself a cup of (Roiboosh) tea, quickly wash my hair while it cools down and then retreat to my lovely bed and continue to watch Despicable Me 2. My life rocks grin

BobaFetaCheese Tue 25-Feb-14 20:59:05

Congrats Total! Lovely name!!

MrsGiraffe12 Tue 25-Feb-14 21:00:05

Congratulations total on the arrival of baby James :-)

Now it's time for all the other due date babies to get a shift on.

Got my scan tomorrow. DH starting to panic we won't see anything there and that I've had a mmc again. Which doesn't help the nerves I'm sure. Keep repeating the mantra to myself...and will ask the sonographer to keep my screen off till she/he sees baby is ok x

squizita Tue 25-Feb-14 21:05:22

Aoife I can imagine the bitchiness on the forum. shock
I have a spooky story about names from work. A child/teen I work with suddenly asked me "do you want kids one day miss?" I said "yes" and she looked at me and said "I think you'll have a little boy one day and he will be called ... MICHAEL."

Michael is the family name for oldest sons in DH's family. She wouldn't know this and isn't even from a culture where that would be a normal name. Obvs, she doesn't know I'm up le duff.


fod27 Tue 25-Feb-14 21:13:23

Good luck for tomorrow Mrs G I'll be thinking of you abd sending lots of posifrickintivity

Sounds like a perfect night to me JBrd - no mither just simplicity ;) I on the other hand have gutted the house and packed a second changing bag (much wishful thinking)

fedupofrainydays Tue 25-Feb-14 21:35:39

fod I know tmi but what's the discharge like? Could it be waters? I have a lot of milky / creamy cm going on but that's early preg for you.

Good luck with scans mrsg will be thinking of you.

Spooky indeed aoife

I watched one born every minute earlier and cried the whole way through. I just so want my baby now too but oh so long to go... Each day feels like an eternity.

Thunderpantsarego Tue 25-Feb-14 21:36:56

Hi everyone <pokes head around door>
Looks like there might be a few old timers who know me from before, and hello to those I haven't met before.

So I had a mmc last nov, 0DC and now 36+5 weeks- waaa! Still paranoid and disbelieving but the bump is getting a but hard to ignore...

Massive congrats to total on the arrival of baby James. Looks like there's a few more not very far behind!

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Tue 25-Feb-14 21:42:29

Yay! Total! grin grin grin
Congratulations! All the best boys are called James! <<biased>>
Sadly not Fod! it was the teeniest teeny speck. I had high hopes but no. sad
I have however had masses of BH, stabby fanjo pains, back ache and sciatica. And I've been out cold since I got in at 4!
It's bizarre because I had nothing with the others at all until I was induced. Although it's nothing regular im hoping that for once it means I'll go naturally.
I went to the hospital today. I thought I was seeing a consultant. Sadly I just got the AAU. The midwife was a TWAT! confused

fedupofrainydays Tue 25-Feb-14 21:45:52

Feeling all crampy again and back ache. Just as I was thrilled to be feeling so sick and slightly relaxing I'm back as a bag of nerves again... sad

fod27 Tue 25-Feb-14 21:52:28

Sounds very similar to my 'is it isn't it?' Experience... Soooo bloody frustrating isn't it? I was the same with my others as you - no symptoms until actual contacting kicked in

Hi thunder!!! And wow! Congrats to you

andadietcoke Tue 25-Feb-14 21:57:21

total mahoosive congratulations! Lovely name, and enjoy lots of newborn snuggles.

thunder flipping heck, that's gone quickly (not for you I bet!). Good luck lovely.

And saggy sounds promising!! Good luck to you too. Have they said how early they think she might be?

We're good. The babies are six months old this week. I can't believe it. It's gone quickly and incredibly slowly in equal measures.

Penguinita Tue 25-Feb-14 22:04:44

Hooray total, huge congratulations! Enjoy those gorgeous newborn cuddles with sweet baby James, awww smile

OddSocksandHoleyPants Tue 25-Feb-14 22:55:32

Thanks everyone for helping me earlier - baking yes I was hoping for a scan around 8 weeks - ironically I had one booked last time but mc before it. There's been a change of mw since last time. I've left a message for the mw who looked after me after the sb & hoping she'll help.
But... I resorted to poas again, and felt better seeing a strong line - much more so than last week. So you're right - today, I am pg. And I have been really odd about food today - really fancied a crisp and cheese sandwich (in total agreement about the cheese thing!).
Congrats to total btw smile

NerdyBird Tue 25-Feb-14 23:45:45

I am very short on the posifrickingtivity today. Was beginning to think I might make it through to the scan next week without another wobble, but then today I found a little browny red spotting. Just before my annual performance review too, so that was fun. Have been utterly convinced since then that the baby has died. Have just necked cold orange juice and cold water in an attempt to bring on the fluttery feelings I think are movements (but might not be). My dad thinks the bleeding could be hormonal - the last worrying one was 4 weeks ago so I guess it's possible. Unless it gets any worse I think I'll just have to wait for the scan now. So far it's just been the once and no more.

Congrats to total!

fod27 Wed 26-Feb-14 00:23:26

nerdy that happened to me too for the first 8-10 weeks I bled when I would have had my cycle - it turned out I had a funny shaped uterus so one side knew I was pregnant and the other didn't hence the bleed - I'd never heads of it before but I'm all for anything that helps me regain my perspective - have a google see if it helps xx

GardenWorm Wed 26-Feb-14 05:31:33

Congrats Total, fab news xx

Hi to those in the final stretch (including the lurking Thunder), not long now till you meet your little ones smile

Keep the posifrickintivity going ladies! X

MrsGiraffe12 Wed 26-Feb-14 06:52:27

Eeek getting ready to take DS to school then me and DH off to hospital for scan.

He w

MrsGiraffe12 Wed 26-Feb-14 06:54:15

Oops sorry fat fingers.

He woke me up last night and said "it's twins. I know it is".

Next time I post I can tell you all if his strange and almost always (9 times out of 10) freaky baby guessing thing is correct xx

bakingtins Wed 26-Feb-14 07:05:05

hi thunder lovely to see you! any day now.....

Good luck Mrs G

nerdy hope the spotting has stopped.Worrying but probably normal.

Aoifebelle Wed 26-Feb-14 07:11:34

Scan for me too MrsG. Twins would freak me out, but given i am pushing 40, could be a nice instant family.Been lying awake listing evidence that I am or am mot pregnant

Six positive pregnancy tests
Sore boobs all the time
Increased thirst and hunger
Weird inside out burpy hiccup thing I only get when up the duff
Asleep by 10

Sore boobs, but not hot and itchy
No ms, I feel too good
No cravings
I don't feel that different to usual.

I suppose I will know more in a few hours.

MrsGiraffe12 Wed 26-Feb-14 07:16:11

Good luck aoife :-) hopefully we can both post good news later

And lots of posifrickintivity to all the ladies in early pregnancy :-) and babies who are due - make a move on, we all want to hear of your arrivals :-) xx

fedupofrainydays Wed 26-Feb-14 08:02:40

mrsg and aoife good luck for scans.
I too would love twins - but be very excited and scared at same time. I dreamt this was twins but at scan there was just the lovely one! But my dreams are never accurate, just weird!

Feeling really rough this morn. Have already spent a small fortune on bacon sandwiches and snacks to get me through. Very close to telling boss - just because I feel so disgusting.

squizita Wed 26-Feb-14 08:04:19

Best of luck Aoife

I'm also wobbly. Had a paranoia inducing wipe. Same toilet session as a number 2. The usual thing (TMI) is the mucus darker or is that poo? Is that spotting from the front or back? sad Giving it a while then trying again.

pgchimp Wed 26-Feb-14 08:07:31

huge congrats to total.

good luck today for mrsg and aoife. keep calm and posifrickitive.

fod27 Wed 26-Feb-14 08:12:45

Ok ladies here's a new symptom - my belly button is killing me! Really really sore! Have any if you experienced this? X

fod27 Wed 26-Feb-14 08:13:29

Good luck Aoife send positive thoughts xx

Pixielady83 Wed 26-Feb-14 09:04:26

Many congratulations total! James is a fab name and what a good weight smile smile smile hope you feel ok today and are enjoying snuggles!

aoife and mrsg loads of luck today, will be thinking of you both.

squiz that's spooky! shock

hi thunder! nice to see you, hopefully not long for you now either smile

anda can't believe your girls are 6mths already! is the world starting to shift back into focus yet? smile

No news here. Apart from my hot milk bras arrived and they are proper lush! wish I'd bought two more now, makes me realize how knackered my old nursing bras are!

Pixielady83 Wed 26-Feb-14 09:08:25

fod yes my poor belly button feels like its going to burst some days and I have my first stretch mark over it sad

fod27 Wed 26-Feb-14 09:26:48

Thank god for you pixie I thought there was something really wrong

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Wed 26-Feb-14 09:46:21

THUNDER! I missed your post my lovely friend! sad blush
Im so glad you came back! smile
<<scoots over to make a spare seat>> have a brew .

Can I join the thread!? Really need some hand holding and positivity!

Found out I was pregnant two weeks ago after 3 MCs. Very very nervous.

Wondering whether to have an early scan or to hold in there until 12 weeks. 6 weeks ATM.

fod27 Wed 26-Feb-14 09:50:15

Welcome red!!! Has your GP offered you any help or referred you to a consultant?

thankyoy fod - I haven't rang the GP or midwives yet but with my last pregnancy they monitored me fairly regularly I had 3 early scans

kjh5 Wed 26-Feb-14 10:14:28

Ah!!! Well done Total!! Such a great name - was a front runner for us for ages smile

Just woken up to the news that one of my friends has had a beautiful baby boy!!! So thrilled for her, she lives half way around the world and I was just chatting to her yesterday afternoon. Must have been a quick labour! Her baby was due on exactly the same day as mine would have been if I hadn't MC'd (1 March). I thought I might feel a little sad when I heard their bubba had arrived but I just feel exceedingly happy!

Thunderpantsarego Wed 26-Feb-14 10:28:36

Gosh this is such a chatty thread!

<<flumps down next to saggy and grabs [cuppa] >>

Thank you for the welcomes, and congrats to anda for 6 months!! Are you loving being mummy to twins? The time has flown for me too, and the weeks seem to be speeding up too, I don't have time to have a baby at the moment, too much to do first!

fod do you know which way up your baby is? Maybe it's sticking a toe or bum into the inside of your belly button? Mine hurts too, but only when I prod it, so I stopped doing that. smile

Welcome red and congratulations. One day at a time...

And congrats to kjh friend!

Thunderpantsarego Wed 26-Feb-14 10:28:54

Oops- brew not cuppa!

LondonJen Wed 26-Feb-14 11:00:42

Morning ladies

Had a day without internet yesterday, took some time out. Worked a treat, feeling very upbeat on this sunny day today and happy to belt out a rendition of Elton John's I'm Stil Standing for anyone who needs some positivity!

Welcome to the newbies. Congrats Total, gorgeous name! And good luck with the scans today x

ChristineDaae Wed 26-Feb-14 11:03:33

Hi all, just checking in to say a big congrats to you Total! Hope you're all doing ok, the top of the list is pretty busy the next few weeks isn't it?
Sawyer is 3 weeks old today and its totally flown!!

fod27 Wed 26-Feb-14 11:08:38

That's good then red it's nice to hear that one of the ladies on here has been looked after properly

thunder she's head dibs and 4/5 engaged so it could be baby bottom! Lol

fod27 Wed 26-Feb-14 11:12:31

christine awwwww 3 weeks! How lovely
london I bloody love that song! Excellent break up tune

kjh5 Wed 26-Feb-14 11:49:10

Just catching up on the thread - good luck for everyone with scans today!

Hi Thunder, Christine and Anda <<waves madly>> nice to see you all! So lovely to hear the bubbas are doing well grin

Not too much longer for you now Thunder - ooh maybe we'll have three more babies this thread?!

kjh5 Wed 26-Feb-14 11:49:42

And welcome red!!

JBrd Wed 26-Feb-14 12:58:54

Welcome red Good that you have found us!

Re early scans - I guess it depends how you feel and if you think that it will reassure you.
I also had 3 MCs last year, and even though I initially thought that I'd like to wait until the 12-week scan (because I thought I wouldn't be very reassured by anything before), I immediately caved in when my midwife offered to get me a reassurance scan at 8 weeks. Which I had last Saturday, and it has made such a difference! I was so anxious and stressed since I've had my BFP, and now that I have seen that this time, there is a heartbeat and it's all measuring right, I feel so much better. I know that I'm not out of the woods yet, but apparently, if a heartbeat is seen at 8 weeks, you have a 98% chance of a positive outcome. And it's a milestone that I did not reach with any of my MCs, so for me, it has been very reassuring. Can you discuss this with your GP or the midwife?

Saw the haematology consultant today - all good, I will continue with the heparin injections, and at 20 weeks, I will have to increase the dose. Which means I will have to do injections twice daily, oh joy. I don't even want to think about what bruises this will give me, I'm already black and blue everywhere!

squizita Wed 26-Feb-14 13:10:30

Jbird I asked about increasing my dose (forewarned is forearmed and all that) but doc and mw both said no need in my case. I had that odd feeling of wanting ALL THE TREATMENT but also not wanting to inject myself x2.

Hi Red I had 6,8 and 10 week scans due to my history and on the one hand they gave relief afterwards, but the week running up to them was uber stress!

MrsGiraffe12 Wed 26-Feb-14 14:51:20

Hi all

Back from my scan - am bang on the 12+3 I dated myself as :-) baby is happy and healthy and was wriggling loads.

Can finally be added to the due dates list - 7th September. Which happens to be the due date I had for DS when I was pregnant x

squizita Wed 26-Feb-14 14:56:15

MrsG Ooh if all goes well at my next scan we might be the Sept phase of "who'll drop first"! ;) I'm 12th Sep EDD.

bakingtins Wed 26-Feb-14 14:58:36

Congratulations MrsG you must be thrilled! grin

Welcome red I had scans at 5,8,9,10,12 and 13 weeks this time blush at RMC clinic. They temporarily reassured me each time.... but it was only really once I'd got to 12 weeks that I actually believed this one was going to be ok. My 4 previous losses were between 8 and 10 weeks, often after positive scans. It depends on your previous pattern of loss what is going to be reassuring for you personally.

allisgood1 Wed 26-Feb-14 14:58:59

Hi all,

Giraffe congratulations!!!
Red I had scans at 7 and 8 weeks. Very stressful but also very mind easing when they were both fine.

I have my 12 week scan tomorrow am. I am totally bricking it, have no idea what to expect. I haven't been scanned since 8+3 and anything could have happened doesnt help that I stalk the mc board. At least its first thing but I have a busy weekend so please please pray its all ok...

squizita Wed 26-Feb-14 15:37:59

FX for you Allis. smile

MrsGiraffe12 Wed 26-Feb-14 15:55:42

I am thrilled yes. Due to complication in DS pregnancy I'm having elective c section so will be between 25th August and 1st September :-) xx

LondonJen Wed 26-Feb-14 15:58:27

Yey! Lovely lovely news Mrs G

Good luck All will be thinking of you

Not ignoring your questions new peeps, just never had an early scan so can't really advise. I've noticed others here seem to find them helpful at 8 weeks

Alb1 Wed 26-Feb-14 16:12:33

Great news MrsG, I'm due 30th august so we cud have a race there :-)

And congrats total! Must be amazing to finally have him here.

Good luck tomorrow All smile

MrsGiraffe12 Wed 26-Feb-14 18:53:38

Thinking of aoife and how she got on today.
Finger crossed its good news too x

Pixielady83 Wed 26-Feb-14 19:20:28

brilliant news mrsg so pleased for you smile

really hope we hear from aoife soon x

welcome red congratulations on your pregnancy! smile

fod27 Wed 26-Feb-14 19:31:06

MrsG that's fab! Congrats

All thinking of you for tomorrow and sending positive vibes

fedupofrainydays Wed 26-Feb-14 19:32:19

Yay mrsg!!

Hope all ok with your scan too aoife

MrsGiraffe12 Wed 26-Feb-14 20:27:18

Ok - so private and potentially embarrassing question but I dont want to bother midwives with something so trivial.

Basically as I'm Pregnant after a miscarriage, since I got my BFP I've been avoiding any nooky or anything nooky related just incase.

Midwives didn't say anything about it to me whatsoever, but im feeling a bit sorry for DH.

I'm guessing its ok to start things off again slowly now my scan is all ok etc? Or should I ask midwife before we do restart?

Thanks (and please no one laugh - I really do feel a bit of an idiot asking this)

Emki Wed 26-Feb-14 20:28:39

Evening ladies

Can i ask a quick question? I have my glucose text tomorrow morning, I can't remember, do I need to fast before hand, Can I eat tonight and tomorrow morning?

Sorry for the quick post, once again haven't been on for a while - but am suddenly panicing that I might mess up the test x

Penguinita Wed 26-Feb-14 20:49:56

Congratulations MrsG, you must be so relieved! Are you daring to tell anyone yet? Regarding the nookie question, we avoided full on DTD for the first trimester and have mostly stuck to having fun in other ways (IYSWIM) but I think it is pretty safe. Now the baby is moving about so much it seems like she knows what is going on though, so it feels a bit weird!

Welcome red' and good luck for tomorrow allisgood. Sorry I can't help with the glucose question emki.

I had my first physio appointment this morning, turns out the problem is my sacro-iliac joints that join the pelvis to the spine at the back. I got some exercises and she pummeled the base of my back for a good twenty minutes, I feel like I've done several rounds in a boxing ring and lost!

squizita Wed 26-Feb-14 20:54:36

MrsG yes you can do it unless you've been told specifically 'no' (I presume this would be after cervical surgery or for psychological reasons - e.g. I sometimes bleed due to ectropian, harmless but under the circumstances could cause a panic attack).

fedupofrainydays Wed 26-Feb-14 21:28:35

mrsg you won't be the only one scared to have sex! With my first preg We stopped after 4.5 months as too uncomfy and then took about 6 months after birth to face sex again (it hurt me for some reason) so poor DH was about a year without proper sex!!! This time (after my two mc) I'm def not having any sex for a while (plus couldn't feel like it less) but may entertain if it / when I get to 4 months. It totally safe unless you have weak cervix issues / bleed after sex (the latter because it will
Worry you)

Emki Wed 26-Feb-14 21:42:00

I also think its perfectly safe to have sex if you're up for it!

Also I found my notes - mustn't drink or eat anything (except water) from midnght the night before - phew!

Welcome newbies and well done penguin at the physio session.

Lottystar Thu 27-Feb-14 00:43:10

I've been wondering about the sex thing too - I didn't even worry about it in my first two pregnancies but since the mc in Oct I'm frightened to now, at least until I'm past 12 weeks. I've read that orgasm can make your uterus mildly contract and whilst I'm sure this would not cause a mc, I don't want to risk anything. Perhaps a crazy association but my husband and I were on a romantic break last time in early pregnancy and a good bit of 'how's your father' was going on, mad but I often wonder if I enjoyed myself too much. Sorry if tmi but I've been a vestal virgin since getting my bfp on 9dpo, am a wee but frustrated now wink

Aoifebelle Thu 27-Feb-14 03:11:49

Ladies looks like once again I am off the bus. Was 8 weeks yesterday but measuring 5. No heartbeat. Just waiting for the inevitable now.

I wish you all the best.


GardenWorm Thu 27-Feb-14 05:13:29

Aoife how truly heartbreaking for you. My words can't help but I will be thinking of you xxx

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Thu 27-Feb-14 05:41:42

Oh Aoife. sad sad
Im so sorry. Please take care of yourself. Lots and lots of love to you. x

JanieLovesLuckySocks Thu 27-Feb-14 06:42:58

aoife I'm sorry to read your sad news. That is heartbreaking and so unfair. Thinking of you xx

BobaFetaCheese Thu 27-Feb-14 06:57:57

Aoife, so very sorry. Hope the next few days pass as comfortabley as possible. Sending you lots of love. Xx

fedupofrainydays Thu 27-Feb-14 06:59:39

Oh no aoife. I'm so sorry. Pleased take big care of yourself. Xxxx

bakingtins Thu 27-Feb-14 07:20:23

aoife I'm so sorry. It's so unfair. I can't remember if that pushes you into the 'recurrent' category, but if you want to talk about testing please come and join the RMC thread on the miscarriage board. Big hugs.

MrsGiraffe12 Thu 27-Feb-14 07:26:05

aoife I'm I'm so sorry :-(

I agree with bakingtins, the miscarriage forum was an amazing support and comfort to me, for several months after my loss

Lots of hand holding at this difficult time x

pgchimp Thu 27-Feb-14 08:14:01

aoife I am so sorry to hear your news. please make sure you look after yourself. brew

Pixielady83 Thu 27-Feb-14 08:24:52

Aoife I'm so so sorry to hear that. I hope you are getting lots and lots of RL support and also from the boards here. Take lots of care of yourself, I will be thinking of you thanks thanks thanks

squizita Thu 27-Feb-14 09:05:17

Oh Aoife how awful. sad thanks Make sure you get loads of support - as others have mentioned the RMC thread is a godsend.

Lieslvontrapp Thu 27-Feb-14 09:22:33

Been following the thread during the night feeds and finally caught up. So sorry to hear your news aoife. Hope uve got lots of support in RL. Take care thanks

JBrd Thu 27-Feb-14 09:29:44

aoife sad I am so so sorry that this is happening to you again, how truly utterly heartbreaking. I had so wished for a good outcome for you, you have been so supportive and cheerful to everyone else on here! Nature is so cruel and relentless.
I hope that you have lots of support to get through this, be kind to yourself. Wishing you lots of strength xxx thanks

GuffSmuggler Thu 27-Feb-14 09:33:27

So sorry aoife is just shit angry I wish no-one had to ever go through it x

Lottystar Thu 27-Feb-14 09:48:37

Aoife, I'm so so sorry to hear that. Life can be utterly cruel sometimes. Sending you lots of love. As the other ladies have already wisely said take all the support from people close to you that you can xx

Alb1 Thu 27-Feb-14 10:43:57

Aoife I'm so sorry, hope your getting loads of love and support thanks

LondonJen Thu 27-Feb-14 10:46:38

Oh Aoife that is absolute shitbags. I'm so sorry to hear it. Thank you for holding my hand the last few weeks if there's anything at all you need please shout. Huge hugs xxx

kjh5 Thu 27-Feb-14 10:59:41

Oh Aoife sad devastated for you. You have been so brilliant and supportive here, I hope you are getting the same love and support in RL. There are not enough words to express just how much of an utter bitch life is sometimes! I know we'll see you back here. I hope you are getting appropriate medical care and advice. xxx

jmf294 Thu 27-Feb-14 11:36:55

Really really sorry to hear your very sad news Aoife. To say its bloody unfair doesn't even come close to the reality.
Keeping you in my thoughts and prayers and hope you are being cared for xxx

Davmallem2013 Thu 27-Feb-14 13:06:51

So sorry aoife sending you my sympathy and best wishes, so sad thanks. You have made reality hit home so I think I will try and pay for a scan next week now, I would rather have some answer before 12 weeks as my last was too early and just ruled out ectopic so no heartbeat at that point and my symptoms feel like they have tailed off.

Happy hearing all the other good news from births to scans, gives us some hope smile

NerdyBird Thu 27-Feb-14 13:58:19

Really sorry aoife. I hope you have people to look after you and support you.

I didn't really have spotting yesterday, more like slightly discoloured discharge. But there's more today. Trying to hold on to the idea that I'm feeling the baby move. Over the last few days I've felt the little feelings a bit more, and yesterday evening there was a definite 'pop' when the cat leaned against my tummy purring loudly. I really want it to be movements, it's helping me with the 'hope for the best, prepare for the worst' thing as I head towards the 20 week scan on tuesday.

fod it was suggested to me at one of my early scans that I could have a heart shaped uterus. It could explain the bleeding, but brings with it the potential for other problems.
The last time I got checked the MW said the cervix can be very friable in some people, so perhaps it's that sort of thing.

Thunderpantsarego Thu 27-Feb-14 14:15:02

So sorry to read this aoife, horrible news. I hope you get lots of love and support and look after yourself x

Pentagon Thu 27-Feb-14 16:53:21

aoife I am so so sorry... thanks thanks thanks I was really upset to read your news, life is so incredibly unfair sometimes...I hope you have lots of support from friends and family. Stay strong (you strike me as a very strong person) and persevere - I know you will get there in the end!

total congratulations on the birth of your baby boy! Great choice of name, I hope you're both doing well.

giraffe great scans news! Did it all go well for your friend too? I hope so

pixie, guff and saggy I can't believe how close you are now! Good luck!

Hi to everyone else.xxx

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Thu 27-Feb-14 18:29:43

I have just dragged my hulk up a blare hill into town for the dentist, up 3 flights of stairs to get there, and then round Tesco. The BH are back with some lovely back ache too. Please God..

TeaAndANatter Thu 27-Feb-14 18:52:41

Very sorry for your news, Aoife. Thinking of you x

MrsGiraffe12 Thu 27-Feb-14 19:02:50

pentagon yes it did thank you. Though she's a month out with her dates (irregular periods since cancer last year) so she's 16 weeks. Had a fab lunch date with her and our DH's in nandos :-) x

Handsfullandlovingit Thu 27-Feb-14 19:09:57

Back from an internet free skiing holiday to such awful news, Aoife I am so awfully sorry for your lost little one. Life is unspeakably unfair.

Penguinita Thu 27-Feb-14 19:30:41

I'm so sorry to hear your sad news aiofe. You and your partner must be in bits. sad. Take time off to grieve and recover. I'm sure you will be back here soon flowers

LondonJen Thu 27-Feb-14 20:21:22

all been thinking of you today, really hope scan went okay.

Saggy that's a pretty impressive day's work and more than I've managed! Here's hoping things are progressing nicely for you.

LondonJen Thu 27-Feb-14 20:23:57

Nerdy little feelings sound good. Out of interest is your cat quite interested in the bump?

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Thu 27-Feb-14 20:55:18

went to the loo earlier, bowel movement, TMI sorry and have lost some blood since. Not a typical show though so am on my way in to get assessed. confused

GuffSmuggler Thu 27-Feb-14 20:57:25

ooo saggy it could be happening... keep calm... <blimmin nothing going on here>

Emki Thu 27-Feb-14 21:23:10

aiofe so sorry to read your news, thinking of you and sending lots of love xx

OddSocksandHoleyPants Thu 27-Feb-14 21:30:47

I'm so sorry aoife sad

Good luck saggy hope minicatpuss is out very soon smile

No news to report here - but I guess that's a good thing.

Pixielady83 Thu 27-Feb-14 22:16:35

hope all is ok saggy and they see you soonish. let's hope one of us has a baby this weekend! like guff blooming nothing happening here although I have started popping evening primrose worked last time and I'm getting desperate

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Thu 27-Feb-14 22:18:06

Well I'm all strapped up! smile Ryvita does NOT like the monitor. She just gave it an ALMIGHTY wallop! I nearly jumped off the bed! grin

Pixielady83 Thu 27-Feb-14 22:19:45

haha she's feisty is ryvita grin I think she's ready to come out by the sounds of things- any contractions yet?

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Thu 27-Feb-14 22:21:59

nothing regular. Just the BH and backache ive had all day.
I SO want to go spontaneously. I would love not to have another induction.

Pixielady83 Thu 27-Feb-14 22:23:41

ah I really really hope this is it then saggy it's all sounding good. Got my fingers crossed for you xx

kjh5 Thu 27-Feb-14 22:54:15

Ooh saggy sounds very promising!

Keeping Fx that it's not too much longer for Pixie or

I've realised that I'm sitting at work in - what is essentially - my cleverly disguised pyjamas. This proves pregnancy robs you of all dignity and sanity! Thank goodness I'm on mat leave from tomorrow!

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Thu 27-Feb-14 23:13:28

Well half an hour on the monitor and no real contractions to speak of. A bah just tail off when I lie down. sad

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Thu 27-Feb-14 23:13:41

BH even!

fod27 Thu 27-Feb-14 23:55:38

Aoife I'm so so sorry - I simply do not have the words - I hope your getting RL support

MrsG I've been incredibly horny for 9 months! DH refuses to come anywhere near just in case sooooo it's been 9 months of DIY

nerdy sounds very similar to my uterus / can't believe it took them 15 years to spot it! It's nice to have a explanation tho

Saggy don't you dare queue jump you naughty girl! ;)

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Fri 28-Feb-14 00:48:19

No queue jumping here! sad
bleeding all stopped, cervix high, firm and long.
Gah! a come non Kid! I do not want to be induced!

Thunderpantsarego Fri 28-Feb-14 07:33:14

Oo saggy, bit of drama there- how are you this morning?

grin at kjh working in pjs and fod's DIY. Needs must eh girls?!

GuffSmuggler Fri 28-Feb-14 07:49:42

Oh saggy how flipping annoying! Glad all seems ok with baby though.

Is so wierd, I was convinced I was going to have a February baby but looks like that window is closing rapidly! Here's to lots of (early) march babies!

Aoifebelle Fri 28-Feb-14 07:55:38

Thanks for all the messages of support. I really do hope you all get to cuddle your babies soon. squiz and JBrd I hope things keep going as well as they have been. You deserve that facebook page.

Those about to pop, I hope you have ten minute labours that don't even smudge your mascara.

I am just in that horrible but oh so familiar limbo. Not sure what is in store for us next, just concentrating on getting through the next few weeks.

All the best aoife.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Fri 28-Feb-14 08:08:39

Big hugs to you Aoife. xx <3

I'm ok, still here. Didn't get a lot of sleep and managed to get in a row on a thread about white flipping baby grows, but ok! confused hmm grin

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Fri 28-Feb-14 08:13:16

Ooh! Missed Fods DIY! I know what you mean. DP hasn't been near me got aaaages! sad
Mind you, im not sure how it would work logistically! confused Although it might stop him looking quite so haggard! wink

fod27 Fri 28-Feb-14 08:37:20

Thunder needs defo must! I can recommend all the best websites now and how to delete the internet history hahaaa - I'm turning into a man

Aoife my heart really does go out to you / I sincerely hope that this means that your GP can do further investigations to safeguard you for future pregnancies. Take time gor yourself ) let your body and mind heal too

saggy it's sooo annoying isn't it? The whole limbo twinging is mega annoying!! Glad your both ok tho and the bleeding has stopped

Pixielady83 Fri 28-Feb-14 08:45:05

Aoife you're a very brave lady, I'm so sorry you're going through this again. Sending you lots of hugs xxx

fod you crack me up! grin

saggy had to go and read that thread, made me giggle, you get some folk with odd ideas don't you! Sorry things haven't progressed yet, these babies are obviously too comfy.

guff I was also convinced I would have had a baby by now. I told everyone I would have! serves me right I guess.

Reflexology today going to tell her to try and shift baby.

Thunderpantsarego Fri 28-Feb-14 08:49:55

<late for work reading saggy's argument>

"Toodle loo"


SaggyOldClothCatPuss Fri 28-Feb-14 08:51:56

Definitely too comfy! I went the full 2 weeks over with the others. I cant imagine being remotely sane by that point! nit that i am now I'm fit to be tied!
And I most definitely shouldn't MN during the night!

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Fri 28-Feb-14 08:53:42

Thunder it is funny, but sad too. She reckons other people's kids are accessories!
And she's going to boil everything!! With bleach!! Nice! grin

squizita Fri 28-Feb-14 09:43:32

Saggy I used to live in Guildford and that lack of insight was common amongst my colleagues at the time. I dress (even though I'm past it) a bit 'rock n roll' and have my nails done with patterns. I would get people in head-to-toe Gap/White Company lecture me about how I was 'too extreme' and this showed 'insecurity' and yes they said this 'middle class people don't dress like that, you look like you're from the inner city.' Er I am?!? Basically "you don't look like a school teacher, it makes us uncomfortable."
They simply couldn't understand that just because the colours they wore were muted, they were making a very definite, clear statement about their 'social tribe' - just as much as I was (and possibly easier as no one judged) and that some were clearly doing it 'to fit in'.

fod27 Fri 28-Feb-14 09:43:47

pixie I have my uses ;) I've heard that reflexology can be very effective! Never used it myself but I have studied it in the past - let's hope it works - we will all be signing up for it

saggy I recommend lying on your side (you cabevd. Do it under the covers! Which is great when your ass is the size of Pluto hahaa. Ooooo what's this big argument you've had? I too went two weeks over with my others it's hard bloody work

NerdyBird Fri 28-Feb-14 10:13:32

Morning all. 20 weeks today - never thought I'd get this far!

jen the cat is quite interested in the bump. When she sits on my lap she always tries to sit on the bump or lean on it. It feels weird so I'm not keen on it. She's my DP's cat so mainly sits on him.

I hope we have some thread babies soon!

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Fri 28-Feb-14 10:23:22

Squiz shes quite amusing tbh. "toddle loo"...grin
That's a shocking story though. I'd say the fact that you can express your individuality means you are a 'more' confident person. People are weird! confused

Fod check out the thread in PG about white baby grows. wink

NerdyBird Fri 28-Feb-14 10:30:23

Just read the white baby grow thread. Hilarious! I think the poster is in for a shock when her baby arrives!

CbeebiesIsMyLife Fri 28-Feb-14 10:45:44

ooh I think I'm going to have to go and check out this white gro thread! I'm a strictly bright coloured only, it hides the sick and poo stains!

<waves> hello by the way, how is every one?

LondonJen Fri 28-Feb-14 10:55:54

Oh Aoife even whilst enduring an awful time what you write here makes me chuckle! Wishing you huge strength and courage fab lady.

Nerdy Congrats on 20 weeks! That is fab. So interesting about the cat. Our dog has been very keen to sit inbetween me & dp lately but I don't really know if it's anything to do with bubba/hormones he's sensing. Just he doesn't normally pay any attention unless he thinks he can get some food!

kjh nearly mat leave time woo hoo!

Hi to everyone else. I am so pleased March is finally a day away. Feels like I have been trying to get through a day at a time of February FOREVER.

CbeebiesIsMyLife Fri 28-Feb-14 11:22:02

I've added my thoughts to the baby grow thread, I love the Nievatey (I cant spell it, but I'm sure you know what I mean!) of some first time parents! Steam clean every day, yea right! You're lucky to get out of bed for the first 3 months with your first! Getting dressed is an achievement, steam cleaning every 2 weeks is award worthy! grin

squizita Fri 28-Feb-14 11:37:03

Cbeebies I find the steam cleaning daily a bit naive and controlling and possible anxiety based which I can say as I am one WITHOUT any DCs. Mind you as I appear to be everything she despises in the world (I secretly wish they did baby clothes in black/red and teeny little Guns n Roses t-shirts grin ) and work till 7pm leaving poor DH to clean I'm probably with filthy disgrace rolling around in my own filth.

scater Fri 28-Feb-14 11:44:59

Hi all

Sorry have been absent for a while working hard and pretty stressed.

Anyway, it's two girls, very exciting. She could quite get the view she wanted of one heart so back for another scan in a couple of weeks. No point in stressing about that just now, all looking good from what's been seen.

Fingers crossed things start moving soon saggy.grin