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The elderberry copter thread #4, for all your hand holding, sausage wanging and burger toning. Entrance criteria: ttc#1 for >12mths, prev berry experience preferable but not essential

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BlindKitty Mon 03-Feb-14 19:26:17

New home, as requested!

Foodylicious Mon 03-Feb-14 19:49:14

Marking place!
thanks kitty

PuppyMummy Mon 03-Feb-14 19:56:08

good job kitty

Tallyra Mon 03-Feb-14 20:01:10

swiftly done!

Ooh, lovely new thread kitty. Took me a while to get up here, too fat for the rope ladders these days...

Bunnygirlie Mon 03-Feb-14 20:25:22

Thunder: Due Date 20 March. Surprise!
Merkin, due date 21 March, expecting a girl
Katatonic: Due Date 11 April. Having a surprise.
Tally, due 17th April. Having a girl, but no pink allowed.
Boom: due 20th April. Surprises x 2!
PoppySeedBun: due 23rd April, girl, but also enforcing pink ban smile
Brodicea: due 5th May. Girl - minimal pink princess stuff please!
kitty 22+2 Edd 22/5/14, pink one!
Puppymummy due 31st May - team BLUE!
Foody: Due Date 15 June. either will do!
Charming: due 8th August. Booking appointment tomorrow!

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee <still swinging from the ladder>

Marking place

Yes I seem to have had the short straw recently with lots being crap. However I still got off lighter than Tally

I'm actually quite excited about meeting baby, but have got The Fear about a bad birth

PoppySeedBun Mon 03-Feb-14 20:29:10

Well done, Kitty for new thread - can't believe we're on #4!

Went for a mammoth shop today - Ikea odds and ends, including washcloths, Mothercare for sleepsuits and hats, bath, changing mat, steriliser and bottle set 'cos it was half price, and sheets which (I hope) will fit my co-sleeper cot. Oh, and breast pads, a front-buttoning nightshirt and nursing bras. Don't think I can bring myself to do any more in person - will need to be online from now on!

Sorry to hear about those berries having a rough time - merk, tally, boom and anyone else having a rough time - have some thanks and cake

bunny can tell you're here - excellent list organisation skills!

Thunderpantsarego Mon 03-Feb-14 20:42:05

Well done kitty, marking place from my pit of crud.

merk, house chaos here too- loads of stuff we need to do, but have created safe pathways through it all so I can function at least - most important is path between sofa/bed/biscuit tin

PuppyMummy Mon 03-Feb-14 20:50:24

merk I am having general baby fear and had a melt down in mothercare on Sun over prams and wether baby needs vest things under his sleep suits and if he will be to hot or cold.


I know nothing about babys! nothing!

hav calmed down a bit today and bought said vest things (in case) and a cute 'going home' outfit in 2 sizes! grin

not even got round to worrying about pushing him out yet! shock

BlindKitty Mon 03-Feb-14 20:52:54

merk I think it's more likely to be me having the bad birth given my problem free pregnancy so far!

Although Dh has just joked that my easy ride is coming to an end given that I've just wriggled for ages on sofa trying to get comfortable!

Puppy I had the vest uncertainty too. Evidently they need a vest under a baby grow, but a lot of the confusion comes from the fact that everybody calls them different things; onsies, vests, babygrow, sleepsuit etc etc
I woke in a panic the other night worrying about whether the frilly bits around the edge of a nappy should be tucked into the nappy or not!

Thunder, glad to hear you can get to the biscuit tin! I am eating like a horse, (craving sugar), DH is getting scared on my behalf about how big she is going to be and whether she will "fit out of my bits" as he put it grin

BlindKitty Mon 03-Feb-14 21:28:45

Vests??? Frilly bits??? Cue imimant meltdown!!! Did make a trip to the mothercare superstore on fri but left with nothing due to feeling completely overwhelmed with choice!

Oh and now you've reminded me about sugar..and that I have cola bottles in my bag..

Bunnygirlie Mon 03-Feb-14 21:50:42

Ref last few posts on old thread...

boom thanks for your positivity on my behalf. No naps for me as work 9-5, taking it easy in the evenings though. and shuuuush with the t word

kitty I am hanging in there, just about.

merk surely with the awful pregnancy you'll have a 'sneeze and out pops a baby birth'?!?

Angelina77 Mon 03-Feb-14 22:46:05

Missed off the list but I'm still around. Suffering from a vomiting bug all weekend and stressed about work so feeling sorry for myself atm sad

Thunderpantsarego Tue 04-Feb-14 03:52:56

Sorry to hear you're feeling rubbish angel

I haven't really slept yet tonight. Which makes perfect sense for someone who's been off work too knackered to function. Grrrr

I am avoiding worrying about how the birth will go as I figure I've so little control over it, I'm not sure what to worry about first. Due date is just over 6 weeks away tho- argggg I've got so much to do!!

Angel feel free to moan in here it'll make a change from me doing it

Just repeated my usual error, forgot to do a wee sample with FMU when I have the first midwife appointment of the day. Going to spend the next half hour drinking water in the hope of being able to pee again but the chances are small. And I can never pee under pressure once I'm there especially as holding a sample pot down a dirty hospital toilet is not my idea of fun Grr, have not have my wee checked for nearly 5 weeks so it is extra important, especially with the swollen hands. Must stop booking early midwife appointments!

On a plus note, I am seeing an antenatal chiropractor later today and am quite excited that he may be able to help with the pain in my hips/pelvis. Am also secretly hoping he has a table with a hole so I can lie on my front for a little bit grin

Thunder, can you stay in bed today?

Thunderpantsarego Tue 04-Feb-14 07:37:24

merk the toilets at your hospital are dirty? How horrible hmm
I have my appointments at my community hospital and it's absolutely spotless there although I still don't like the pee pressure. My lot don't want fmu, they want wee after a shower/bath to make sure the sample is clean.

I can't stay in bed today, no- had a day off yesterday and really must get my sorry self back to work. Yawn.

Good luck with the chiro- sounds ace! We want a full report on your return

Yeah my previous midwives were at the community centre and that was lovely. New hospital is a bit old and grim... Potentially might be swapping hospitals for the birth to be the same as Charming as the birth centre at mine hasn't opened yet

Brodicea Tue 04-Feb-14 09:42:24

Hey Berries, haven't said much in a while but I'm still here keeping up to date with the posts smile

merk I know what you mean about the stress pee - I didn't bring a sample to my last appointment and ended up having to do it at the Drs - first time I have ever been unable to pee due to pressure! I did it in the end by consciously relaxing, but then handed the midwife a damp-labelled bottle (Had to rinse it as had peed on it - my direction is unpredictable!). She said she didn't mind…

28 week appointment next week, must also book my whooping cough vaccine…

and… CLENCH!

MotherOfCleo Tue 04-Feb-14 09:47:50

Morning.....just making sure I dont lose uou guys

Weird question of the day. Does cleaning your teeth make anyone else feel breathless? Very odd but happens without fail, must change my breathing pattern somehow. Very strange!

Thunderpantsarego Tue 04-Feb-14 10:44:42

Erm nope boom.... hmm

Bummer. Was hoping for fellow freaks to join me in breathless solidarity grin

Thunderpantsarego Tue 04-Feb-14 11:49:43

I'm just pleased to not have the freaky question for once
<she types whilst eating black pepper>

Angelina77 Tue 04-Feb-14 12:06:14

Thanks, it's been a rubbish few days, made worse by watching a phone in about pregnant women and alcohol yesterday and now I'm convinced I've given my baby FASD from wine I had over christmas sad

Aw angel there's a lot of scaremongering about FASD and most other dietary advice if you ask me. It's caused by frequent serious alcohol excess throughout pregnancy. A few glasses of plonk at Christmas are highly unlikely to have done any damage, try not to worry!

Thunder black pepper on a banana/golden syrup stacker??

Thunderpantsarego Tue 04-Feb-14 12:27:52

You trying to out me, boom?!!

Back again. Managed to wee before leaving, so have now been booked in for the second time! Baby still head down and all seems ok. Midwife sent me off to join an antenatal course that's was starting this morn, so have been there for a few hours. Very little I didn't know (labour stages, pain relief) but was surprised how pro epidural they were

Angelina77 Tue 04-Feb-14 12:47:37

Thanks, that's reassuring. Everyone on the panel and those who phoned in all basically said any woman who drinks even a drop is a selfish cow and is inviting her child to brain damaged. They were saying that it can be caused by as little as 2 glasses of wine, whatever that means. I think the most I've had in one evening is maybe 250ml, but over a long period of time like 4 hours.

The phone in was prompted by the court case that could see it criminalised.

It's annoying that the official advice is so vague.

Angel the studies in Thunder's brilliant book are the best data on drinking and pregnancy available. And the data (facts, not feelings/opinions) suggests even moderate drinking causes no long term damage. Your Xmas plonk will be fine x

Brodicea Tue 04-Feb-14 13:21:01

I second what merk and boom say - the book Expecting Better explains the reliable evidence and moderate drinking is fine - if I recall correctly, even 2 glasses of wine per day would be fine so a large one over Xmas is very definitely not a problem.

There's so much mystery about pregnancy that I think we all easily feel really worried if there is a small chance we've done something 'wrong' - and the world certainly beats women up on these issues!

Angelina77 Tue 04-Feb-14 14:36:27

Phew, thank god. Thank you.

I've got my anomaly scan tomorrow so I'm probably in a heightened state of worry about that as well.

Eeeek, sorry Thunder, do not have head screwed on today! I'll ask if they can take it down...

Just had whooping cough jab, least painful one so far, didn't even notice she'd done it! watch me get a mega numb arm just in time for swimming tonight so I end up paddling in circles

winohhh Tue 04-Feb-14 15:07:24

Afternoon ladies! I wanted to ask a question about early scans if that's ok... I had one at 6 weeks, and will have one at 10 weeks for the harmony test (if we make it that far!) and I'm umming and arring about having an 8 week one. What did you guys have?? Is three before the 12 week scan ridiculous?? Thank you!!

Just waiting for chiro... He is HOT

Win, I had 6 week (early), 11 week (EPU), 12 week and 13 week (harmony). All those kept me sane. It is really personal, if you can afford it and it will help you stay sane then I would say go for it. But it won't change the outcome wink

wino I had one at 7wks (NHS, because I pretended I didn't know my dates) and one at 10wks (private) because previous MMC was 10wk. Then my official dating scan was 13wk. I would say go with what you think will give you greatest peace of mind: are you more likely to be calmed by a scan or does waiting for them make you even more paranoid? I remember being a bag of nerves before them and the 'phew' factor afterwards only lasts for a day or two, so maybe that's something to consider. However if you can afford them I'd say go for it if that's what you want to do!

Merk you lucky thing! Enjoy your session then wink

Thunderpantsarego Tue 04-Feb-14 16:38:37

No no don't worry boom it's not like you've done a kitty or anything wink

Re drinking, again I'm sticking to my bible and also what I feel is common sense to me- it's a personal opinion but I've certainly enjoyed a drink occasionally throughout my pregnancy. I know people feel very differently tho and that's up to them. I've certainly been ready to challenge anyone who judges me if I do it out and about but as far as I know people haven't seemed to bat an eyelid.

Scans- I too had sneaky 7 week one at my consultant appt, paid for 10 week private one due to mmc before and then had my dating scan at 12 weeks. No harmony testing here.

Oo merk you lucky thing- being manhandled by a hot chiro...?! <daydreams>

Ha @ doing a kitty grin

Spoke too soon re: jab. Arm now hurts a lot!

Right. Going to attempt a general de-fuzz prior to swimming later..will take hours!

winohhh Tue 04-Feb-14 17:43:53

Thanks everyone, that's really helpful to know about the scans. I think I'm going to try and hold off til 10 weeks. I do get really anxious before a scan, and the relief is very temporary! Right, distraction for the next 2 weeks then!!

Bunnygirlie Tue 04-Feb-14 18:56:04

Just popping in to say aaaaaaaaaagh I am so stressed, work is really busy and to top it all off a girl at work has been diagnosed with shingles so now stressed about that!!!!

Help!!!! boom any advice?

Bunny you may have to tell work

Going to update on chiro on fb as it was fascinating but will be long (Bunny you're not on there yet, you need to get added to the group)

Foodylicious Tue 04-Feb-14 19:36:32

bunny have you had chicken pox?
you can't catch shingles from shingles (shingles is a reactivation of the chicken pox virus)
but if you have not had chicken pox you can get chicken pox from someone who has shingles.
Best thing to do would be to call your midwife and you may be able to call your occy health department in confidence.

Foodylicious Tue 04-Feb-14 19:41:21

bunny this has a lot of info on it but is the clearest I could find -
try not to fret and just follow the advice (easier said than done I know hmm

bunny don't panic! Call your midwife tomorrow, she can take bloods to check your varicella immunity. Most adults are naturally immune so there's only a tiny chance you'd get chicken pox and foody is right, you won't catch shingles from shingles. You should probably tell work though as if anyone else catches it they'll have to let you know xx

BlindKitty Tue 04-Feb-14 20:29:55

angel hope you're feeling better soon!

So opened my emails today and realised my mat leave cover had gone to advert...shit just got real!!!!

BlindKitty Tue 04-Feb-14 21:02:50

Oops just missed an entire page, thought it was quiet!

wino completely up to you re scans. We had one at 7wks and then waited until 12weeks. Will say that you should (hopefully) feel less anxious after 12weeks and will prob have a million other things to spend your cash on!

<casually ignoring thunder wink>

bunny sure you'll be gine but best to get your varicella antibodies checked. Think you have up have it at 12 weeks anyway

So scan number 6 tomorrow! Rely hoping the consultant will discharge me tomorrow and I can go back to mw care although will be nice to see her again

PuppyMummy Tue 04-Feb-14 21:05:04

kitty interviews for my mat leave cover r this week. pah! im not impressed, I don't want to leave my kids with someone else!!

Foodylicious Tue 04-Feb-14 21:24:50

Anyone else have a sore bump? mine gets really tight and uncomfortable as the day goes on, in a strip just above the belly button really, also pulls at the sides when I turn round???
Sometimes it feels like its the skin, kind of like a cut ir scar does when its pulled or stretched, other times its more like the muscle.
Bit worried as am only 21 weeks! how will I cope getting bigger shock

I had a couple of early scans wino due to anxiety over previous mc at 8 weeks. Have now had 6 scans all together, 2 private, 12 & 20 week nhs scans and extra cervix scans at 14 and 17 weeks, got another one of those on Thursday.
I was a nervous wreck at the beginning and whilst we are by no means flush with cash it was worth it for me to have the private scans, but I remember the reassurance not lasting long and being quite irrational grin. Really is different for everyone, so just see how you get on!

angel you are not on the list - how many weeks are you now? I was a bit of a state (understatement of the year) before mine last week!

Sounds like it could be Braxton hicks foody, does the tightness come and go?

Tallyra Tue 04-Feb-14 21:40:06

well I just found out today that my mat leave won't be covered at all. as my colleague did so well covering while I was ill they are just going to give all the work to her. makes me feel very valuable!
I had a ridiculous amount of scans, 1 a week til about 14 weeks, because my consultant was so worried about my mental health, being so sick and worried about mmc and depressed at the same time. each one I was convinced would be the one with the bad news, but each one just got bigger. I wouldn't have had any extras if it was up to us, we are skint so I really appreciated it and it helped me get through to the point where I stopped feeling so sick. haven't had any for ages now but I'm ok, and I can feel her all the time so I'm much happier now!

Foodylicious Tue 04-Feb-14 21:43:41

Not really boom just gets uncomfyer as the day goes on, then eases a little in the evening once I have rested

Bunnygirlie Tue 04-Feb-14 22:35:54


merk I can't join the grads group it'll be all babies. I'm barely in the copter!

* foody* yes I had chicken pox when I was younger.

boom I don't have a midwife!!!!!

I really really really don't want work to know!

kitty extra scans? Whassup? What have I missed?

Good point bunny. Call the GP, they can do it for you. If you've had CP you're most likely fine, I would still get your antibodies checked as a precaution.

foody hmm, maybe not then. Does it feel draggy, as if your bump's really heavy? Can only suggest lots of moisturiser and maybe a support band..

I spoke too soon re: the jab, my arm is dead this morning! Swimming was lovely last night though, def going to do that again grin

Bunnygirlie Wed 05-Feb-14 08:15:29


Feeling sick as a dog today, not sure if it's the nasty symptom kicking in or my IBS kicking in coz I'm stressed.

Thanks for advice ladies, I have left a message with FC for nurse to all me back, will see what they say and then maybe call GP.

PoppySeedBun Wed 05-Feb-14 10:45:47

Hello berries!
Feeling a bit grotty myself today - have acquired a cough and feeling a bit headachy. Fortunately working from home for tube strike/supposed to be waiting in for boiler men (who have just cancelled sad)

foody my bump has been sore on and off from about 21/22 weeks. I've put mine down to Braxton Hicks, as it does go tight as you describe, and doesn't seem to last all day. I've read some advice that suggests that keeping hydrated helps, or going to the loo fairly frequently because a full bladder might exaggerate it - no idea if those are actually useful things or not. Some suggestion that it's also worse when tired or stressed.

wino I had scans at 8, 10, 12, 20 weeks - early ones because of previous mmc. I really wanted to wait as long as I could for the first one, but was so relieved when I had the 8 week one. Doesn't stop the worry for long, though.

Thunderpantsarego Wed 05-Feb-14 15:22:35

Hi all,

Popping by- is boom around or maybe someone else might be able to help me...

I had a load of sudden sharp pains over my whole bump today. Only lasted a few mins but was pretty uncomfortable to touch it or to move. The muscles hadn't contracted or anything, just felt like sharp pains in the skin/muscle all over. What is it?! YOUCH

Angelina77 Wed 05-Feb-14 17:08:33

Hi Foody, I'm due 22nd June (boy).

Had my 20 wk scan today and all is fine so that's a relief. Anterior placenta which explains why I haven't felt much movement and when I do it's still hard to distinguish.

I also have some tight pains that come and go, some times I have to hunch over to reduce the pain but I think that's ligament stretching?

Foodylicious Wed 05-Feb-14 17:19:30

yay angel that's lovely, glad it went well!!!
Movement feeligns seem to come and go, some days they are distinct tappings, other days more fizzing shuffly type feelings. Also when baby is facing in not out we don't really feel the movements anyway!

off to yoga now then for yummy food!

Tallyra Wed 05-Feb-14 17:27:24

I'm getting a bit fed up of all the movement actually. I keep getting what moist people say are baby having hiccups, like a muscle tic really low down by the pelvis. too light to feel on the outside but really annoying as it goes on for often ten minutes. I shouldn't complain, it means she's really active and should be in good health, but having kicks in the guts when you have a stomach bug isn't great!

Tallyra Wed 05-Feb-14 17:27:40

lol. moist people????

Bunnygirlie Wed 05-Feb-14 18:40:38

Glad scan went well angel

Moist people shock grin

Got out of the car far too quickly earlier and had an major ouchy twinge, guess I need to take things slower already. Wtf?!?

Brodicea Wed 05-Feb-14 19:10:14

eesh, my bump is also feeling very tight and uncomfortable. Sat on the sofa trying to stretch out last night just to relieve the pressure at the bottom of my chest. Think my ribs must have started floating too.

a boo hoo

Brodicea Wed 05-Feb-14 19:10:56

Ace news on the scan too angel I have an anterior one too, but can feel things at the bottom (when she's stomping on my cervix!) and at the sides sometimes

Sorry Thunder, I have absolutely no idea. Hope you're ok.
FYI chiro man said if bump is tight you should lean forward on a chair with knees lower than hips to encourage baby down and away from your ribs. Is a bit counter intuitive

BlindKitty Wed 05-Feb-14 20:16:35

foody yep my bump feels sore at the top but quite sore it's just muscular

angel fab scan news, hope it reassures you for a reasonable amount of time!

bunny you'll have a mw soon. Mine wanted to see me for 'booking in' at 8 weeks. Just speak to the fc nurses for now if you're concerned.

The reason why I'm having extra scans is because someone (in the last 13 years) wrote that I'd had a loop excision on my cervix when actually I'd had something called cryotherapy. Basically it's my word against my medical notes but at least I'm getting scans I wouldn't have had otherwise.

So my kitten is growing nicely (weighs predicted 752g today). Annoyingly they didn't do my cervical length scan as they don't don't do them past 24 weeks...the whole reason why they booked the scan in the first place hmm!!! They won't discharge me yet either, even though they're not doing any more scans! Was about to kick off about it but then thought of merk being desperate for a consultant appointment and even though I'm fine now I might be glad of the extra attention as I get bigger

PoppySeedBun Thu 06-Feb-14 07:08:19

kitty great news on your scan! My est weight at 20 weeks was about the same (though I'm convinced I'm going to have a bruiser - I was 8lb 12 and my DH was 9lb+) shock

Sound like there's a lot of bump soreness going on. Must try the all fours thing to reposition her though probably not going to do that at work

Saw this interesting piece in the New York Times this morning about epidurals and second stage labour, suggesting that at least US obstetricians need to wait longer before deciding it has been unusually long. Also says it's not clear that epidural causes a longer stage, or whether women who have epidurals have some other reason that would cause longer labour.

Off to do battle with the tube strike this morning - wonder what the odds of a seat on the train will be hmm

Morning folks.

thunder, sorry, I can't be much help - not sure what it could be unless possibly the beginnings of stretchmarks? Is your skin very tight? Maybe try your midwife who is hopefully older and wiser than I, but can't think of an obvious diagnosis.

angel and kitty glad scans went well. Both my placentas are anterior angel, the kicks will get stronger as the baby outgrows the placenta although I suspect they'll never reach the washing machine spin cycle setting that poor old tally is experiencing!

bunny how are you doing?

poppy thanks for that link, off to peruse over brekkie! Good luck getting a seat..

Thunderpantsarego Thu 06-Feb-14 09:37:42

Morning all.

boom do stretch marks hurt then? Haven't had the pain back luckily so I'll chalk it up as another mystery pregnancy related phenomenon. I don't feel like my skin is particularly tight- I seem to have a nice pinchable fat layer all over I wonder where that could have come from but am now on stretch mark watch.

Fantastic scan news guys, we love a bit of good news! And tally I know what you mean about the hiccups....

Urgh, had a truly horrible night with a combination of peeing every hour, and lack of sleep caused by heartburn and nightmares. Poor DH has to go to work after I've kept him awake all night tossing and turning. Really tempted to buy one of these but seems a waste this late on

Tally I have the baby like a washing machine too, its frustrating/worrying as chiro reckons she's trying to engage but my pelvis is too tight for her to drop

Brodicea Thu 06-Feb-14 10:37:44

Boo merk sounds rubbish. I think the holo looks amazing! I suppose when you're massive is the time you need it though.

I had terrible calf pain in the night. I used to have it all time before I had my ankle condition diagnosed (ankle equinus - yes, basically I have hoof feet, that are shaped like barbies and have to wear insoles). It hurt so much I cried out and poor DH woke with a jolt thinking I was going into labour or something! I had to spend ten minutes calming him down.

Stretchmarks don't necessarily hurt thunder but when your skin has reached its limit it can get really itchy and prickly so I wondered if that could be it. Most likely another mystery pregnancy thing as you have so accurately self-diagnosed!

merk my sympathies for the horrible night, I was probably up weeing in unison with you (serves me right for necking a massive fruit/veg juice before bed in an attempt to get some vitamins in me). And then the dog woke up and started crying at 5 so I was outside in my pyjamas picking up dog poo by 5.30! Have started taking rennies before bed, it really does seem to help with the heartburn. That lilo thing looks amazing, could you recreate it with some creative pillow distribution?

poppy I'm not overawed by the journalism in that article, it sounds a bit higgledy piggledy. Wanted to go and read the original research but irritatingly my Athens password has run out so I can't access the journal! Will see if I can open it at work tomorrow though.

Angelina77 Thu 06-Feb-14 11:55:08

I can sympanthise with those struggling to sleep, my poor other half has had to sleep on the sofa most nights for the past 3 months sad We're moving into our lovely new house in 4 weeks though, complete with massive new luxury bed (the one we have at the moment is literally the worst bed I've ever slept in).

I've decided it's time to buy some proper maternity clothes today, I've left it far too long. My bump is massive already :s

Foodylicious Thu 06-Feb-14 16:53:17

How odd kitty,I have had my 3rd and final cervix scan today at 21&1/2 weeks and been discharged back to midwife care. Must just be different trusts. All was good though, measurement fine and got to have another look at the little one even if it was too active for a good picture :-)

Lots of crampy tight pains today but turns out is just bloody ibs! Better than it being anything else but ow! Made me walk funny and everything.

OH got to feel first little flicker from outside bump yestarday and I don't think its stayed still all day. Could feel ot when I was stood up today too! All lovely if a bit distracting :-D. Hope you got through the day ok merk you must be shattered x

BlindKitty Thu 06-Feb-14 18:54:50

poppy ha I nearly did it at work the other week but was worried about scaring my colleagues!

angel I'd say enjoy mat clothes shopping but you'll be lucky to find decent stuff out there! Most of it is DULL!!!

foody ironically your the one who really had loop excision! Consultant said that even if they don't discharge me I can still go to the mlu when the time comes, which is all that matters really.

Tallyra Thu 06-Feb-14 19:15:04

Kitty you are having an odd time of it. I had a lletz and they measured my cervix at the 20w scan, said it all looks nice and long and that's it!

BlindKitty Thu 06-Feb-14 19:31:57

tally I've had 2 cervical length scans and funnily enough they were both fine!

Bunnygirlie Thu 06-Feb-14 20:01:20

kitty glad baby kitty is ok smile I spoke to FC nurse and they said should be fine, scan Monday and then will be discharged to midwife I guess.

Hey boom feeling a tad grotty today actually, on top of tiredness I woke with a headache and nausea which turned into proper heaving when I saw the icky cat food. Felt better after having drink and brekkie but had headache all day. Yuck!

Hugs to all the painful bumps and bad sleepers.

P.s. the whole cervix measuring/scanning thing is freaking me out!

Foodylicious Thu 06-Feb-14 20:51:33
Foodylicious Thu 06-Feb-14 21:59:17

OH has gone to bed early and I have just eaten 150g Galaxy bar, mmm
Great start to my 10 days off!!!
bunny look after yourself when you can, headaches, tiredness and nausea are rubbish and for me felt different than any when I was not pg.
Thankfully our cat only has dry food, but had some awful treat sticks a while back that did actually make me vom from the smell!

Woke up feeling sick this morning which was pants, but made me realise I have not been feeling that sick at all lately and headaches have mostly buggered off too apart from the odd twinge. Odd that I had not noticed until today.
Seeing the doc next week finally to get physio referral, was going to get more promethazine but think I might try a few days off it while I am not at work.
boom I am finding having tums when I go to bed really helps too.

Not sure if I have shared this already but, after weeks of being generally aware that grapefruit exists I caved and bought some at the weekend I DO NOT LIKE GRAPEFRUIT, or at least thats what I thought!!
have had half of one every day for 5 days and finding I want more!!! Sticking to just once a day though for the sake of heartburn grin

OH was laughing today as in my pj bottoms I look like tweedle dee or tweedle dum from Alice in wonderland! my arse also sticks out almost as much in the opposite direction smile. Asked if we can draw a face on bump soon grin

BlindKitty Thu 06-Feb-14 22:23:17

bunny the cervix scans only applies to a few of us because we've had previous procedures in the past. Don't worry, should be your last dildocam on mon! Super excited! What time is it?

foody are you not on the grads thread? I posted that yesterday

BlindKitty Thu 06-Feb-14 22:26:26

foody my cat will literally bite your hand off for those treats!

Oh and I have a very faint linea negara!!

Foody I have found my bump makes my arse look much bigger, which seems counter intuitive

BlindKitty Fri 07-Feb-14 07:29:55

Guys does anyone have a pregnancy pillow? Restless legs drove me mad last night (as did the cat who just wants to sleep practically on top of me all the time!). I've heard dreamgenii ones are good? Any thoughts?

Bunnygirlie Fri 07-Feb-14 08:35:04

foody I'm sure you don't really look like tweedle dee grin Trying to look after myself, but life gets in the way lol

kitty glad you are excited for me, I am just nervous. I don't see how they can see anything this early and after googling 6 week scans I don't think there is much to see.

Blind I've looked at them a few times but never actually bought one as I think they're extortionate. I have recently taken up sleeping with a really firm cushion between my knees and one behind my back which I have found helpful. Having said that the pillows are supposed to be great for breast feeding so at least they get more use
Plenty to see at 6 weeks bunny, including a potential heartbeat

BlindKitty Fri 07-Feb-14 10:58:26

merk think I'm going to get one anyway. Plus I'm sure Dh would appreciate anything preventing me rolling onu back to stop me snoring haha!

bunny it's basically a blob with a flicker but its the best blob you'll ever see smile

So just attempted Zumba. Was in my fitness capabilities but managed to make the sexist exercise ever look very unsexy. Lets just say my slut drops left a lot to be desired..was literally 'bump and sorta grind' lol

jessplussomeonenew Fri 07-Feb-14 11:18:42

Hi guys, just checking in as I'd not managed to keep up with the move. Sounds like a lot of aches and pains out there - hope everyone is getting the tlc they need (hot chiropractors a bonus!)

I'm still throwing up all over the place but top of the annoying list is the cold that has been dragging on for nearly 5 weeks now and currently seems to be getting worse again. I just about manage to console myself that the sickness is a good sign (and fingers crossed (and toes too) should ease in a few weeks)... but having an endless cold as well is just too annoying for words!

Hope your scan goes well on Monday Bunny. I am really hoping my first scan appt letter comes soon, probably week after next if they do it in week 12. I think if I'd not been so sick I'd have been desperate to have a scan to know that there really was something there, but as it is there's a little reassurance that comes from making yet another offering at the porcelain altar!

BlindKitty Fri 07-Feb-14 11:23:34

jess sorry you're feeling so sick but hopefully it will start to ease off soon if you're approaching 12 weeks brew

Managed to convince Dh to go to babies are us and mothercare today. What's the chances of us coming back with nothing again?

Foodylicious Fri 07-Feb-14 11:35:50

No kitty I'm just on here, cant remember where I found that link though so its just as likely from there from the most active threads link!
I have a pillow, but not using it. I always sleep with quilt between my knees, (we have a double one each on our bed) so sticking with that. using the pillow I had to wake up a bit more to get comfy each time I turned over. I was looking at getting a mattress topper as getting uncomfy lying on either side for any length of time, but have put a king-size quilt under the sheet and mattress protector instead, it was alot cheaper!
Sorry you are feeling pants jess, I had a few colds in the beginning and am just generally more snuffly. Hope you managing to eat ok in between vomming biscuit

Blind are slut drops actually a thing?? shock
Jess my sympathy with the sickness, hang in there. If you're getting close to 12 weeks and haven't had appointments come through yet (can't remember if you've had your booking yet or not) you can chase them. If you're having any type of screening you do want it sooner rather than later (there is a cut off date I think) so there's a benefit to giving them a nudge about the scan appointment.

Bunnygirlie Fri 07-Feb-14 12:52:57

Thanks for the scan reassurances merk kitty I am quite tempted to have a 9 week one too, what do you think? Didn’t some of you pay for extra scans?

jess sorry you are being sick, sounds horrid.

Think some MS is kicking in here, felt really rough the past 2 mornings, (headachey too) hoping the McNuggets for my lunch will clear it grin

LOL at kitty doing slut drops in her condition wink It always makes me laugh when Alan Carr does them on his show after being taught by skanky ho-bag Rhianna!

Bunny I paid for 2 extra scans and got a third as part of the Harmony test.
They're normally around £99... I would say its worth asking your clinic if they will do you a deal... ie if you think you're going to have 2 extra ask them for a price rather than paying for them individually. Also, just in case you are considering it, the price for a Harmony test includes a mandatory scan, and can be done at 9 weeks

BlindKitty Fri 07-Feb-14 14:33:10

jess yeh does sound a bit odd you haven't heard about you're appointment

bunny I just held off for my 12wk after my 6wk as did feel slightly less anxious afterwards. Oh and I was far from a skanky ho bag - more like free willy!

BlindKitty Fri 07-Feb-14 17:29:53

Bunny put your hands over your ears..

OMG we actually bought stuff!!! Our little kitten now has her own cot, matress, drawers, carseat and isofix thingy! Started to look at pushchairs but then thought that was quite enough for one day!

Foodylicious Fri 07-Feb-14 17:31:12

Brave kitty well done you!!!

Brodicea Fri 07-Feb-14 17:42:53

Nice one kitty - weird to have actual baby stuff in the house ain't it?

I have one of these and it's pretty good - I got a bit of extra cash after my birthday and splashed out! The purple is also good for wielding around the bedroom in a jokey manner www.amazon.co.uk/Original-THERALINE-incl-cover-purple/dp/B005C8EL5K/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1391794934&sr=8-3&keywords=theraline+pillow

Bunnygirlie Fri 07-Feb-14 19:42:30

merk what is a harmony test?

kitty I didn't mean you were a skanky Ho-bag! You're a fabulous kitty!

<hands over ear> la la la

Bunnygirlie Fri 07-Feb-14 19:43:59

Nobody told me about the afternoon sickness!!!!!

BlindKitty Fri 07-Feb-14 20:56:23

brod love the purple but think the dream genii might be better as it should stop me from rolling onto my back.

bunny think I'd quite like to be a slut dropping skanky Jo-bag!! Re sickness, although I got off quite easily I still felt queasy every evening but it was resolved with eating

BlindKitty Fri 07-Feb-14 20:57:01

*or a ho-bag haha

PuppyMummy Sat 08-Feb-14 07:21:51

merk I hav had to deal with 'slut drops' at school!! they r a thing!!! grin

bunny re scans, we had one at 9 weeks which we paid for, I found it extremely reassuring.
and with sickness, I was never sick but I did feel queasy on an afternoon sometimes!

in exciting news here...
my bloody boobs r leaking!!! omg!
and baby has turned into a wriggling machine! which is v nice!

kitty our nursery furniture is arriving next week too! Exciting!

BlindKitty Sat 08-Feb-14 08:54:07

shock @ poppy's school kids doing slut drops (imagining something off my big fat gypsy wedding)

poppy how many weeks are you now? I hope my boobs hold off from leaking! It's getting harder to convince Dh into the sack as it is but that will definitely stop him!

What colour scheme etc have you gone for?

BlindKitty Sat 08-Feb-14 08:55:54

Just re-read ^puppy's^ post!!! Sorry getting my poppy and my puppy mixed up haha! You're 24 weeks yeh?

Tallyra Sat 08-Feb-14 09:10:53

should I be jealous? I'm 30w now and my boobs are just big....

Tally I've got no leakage either. It was one of the things I was randomly worried about (imagining huge wet patches appearing while in a restaurant or at work etc) so I'm almost pleased to stay dry!

Tallyra Sat 08-Feb-14 10:07:36

Does it mean anything? I really want to exclusively bf if I can. It doesn't mean I'll have a problem? God I hope not!!

Nope, it means nothing so no need to worry at all

PuppyMummy Sat 08-Feb-14 11:44:38

kitty they r only year 7 too! shock shock

for nursery we r having plain sky blue walls then hav wall stickers, big ones that make a tree with animals round bottom. so not a colour theme as such. its a room rather than nursery cos oh has what should be nursery as his office so we didn't want it too baby then it will last thru bein a toddler.

tally I wouldn't worry, its not all the time just random 'spotting'! shock

kitty I think its finished my oh off!! ha ha doubt he will be goin near them for a while!!

PuppyMummy Sat 08-Feb-14 11:45:52

nearly forgot! yes, 24 weeks today! smile

Tallyra Sat 08-Feb-14 13:19:28

I'm having a very weird day today. slept in, which was great and then took the dog for a walk but parked at the top of a huge hill. It took me an hour to get down the hill to the woods so I had to phone my mum to be rescued, I really couldn't face walking back up the hill blush
now I'm sitting on the sofa with Zac curled up on my lap watching the hail come down, silently thanking my mum for not letting me get stuck in it, and crying uncontrollably while watching Ashley Banjo and his amazing community dance project.
A bit of a self indulgent day!!

How is everyone else today?

BlindKitty Sat 08-Feb-14 14:32:53

puppy we watched a prog where the man wouldn't sleep with his heavily pregnant wife because 'he didn't want his penis so close to the baby's head' lol. Dh's face said it all!!!

tally was it you who cried over the screw fix catalogue?!? wink

Tallyra Sat 08-Feb-14 15:34:31

lol no it wasn't me kitty, but I do have my moments!

Bunnygirlie Sat 08-Feb-14 16:08:20

Aaaaagh leaky boobs shock

Gosh puppy when they wriggle it must be thrilling!

Crying over a screwfix catalogue?!?

Oh gawd I feel awful, it's like my IBS nausea, fun fun fun!!!!!

Obviously i've known alot of you a long while but I just wondered how long it took you lovely berries to get pg and was it natural or assisted?

Foodylicious Sat 08-Feb-14 16:11:52

Managed a nice lie in too, but had to get up sharpish due to feeling sick.Nothing 3 slices of chocolated spread on toast couldn't fix though!
Having people round for dinner this evening so had to brave the supermarket on a Saturday - was not too bed except I was quite breathless by the time I was packing at the checkout and getting dizzy standing still (BP was 97/55 this week so am not surprised!)
OH was fab when I got back, got all the shopping out of the car, unpacked and put it away while I had some lunch and started to feel human again.
Going for a bit of a mexican theme for tea so enchaladas, chilli, fajitas with dips, salsa, salad etc. mmm.
Now just to get off my arse and start cooking!
Thankfully my sister is bringing cake (OH's birthday on Weds) so one thing I don't have to do.

Slight TMI - finally managed to DTD successfully for the first time since conception, woo hoo grin! was a bit odd and uncomfy but obviously good too (or would have stopped).
Was really good just to be that close for both of us. OH has been very patient, though I have teased him that he has had most mens life-time quota of sex in the last 2 1/2 years, so he can't complain anyway!

Eeek to the leaking boobs - I thought mine were leaking weeks ago, whatever it was has stopped for now anyhow.

BlindKitty Sat 08-Feb-14 16:41:00

bunny are you trying to sneak another list out of us wink. I'm sure you know my story but I ttc for 2.5yrs, have multicystic ovaries so ovulate but eggs aren't mature because I have too many follicles all trying to do same job. So I needed iui with daily Menupur injections to mature the egg (s) and hey presto!

jessplussomeonenew Sat 08-Feb-14 16:48:39

Bunny - yes, "morning" sickness is such a rotten description for something that can strike at all hours. Hope you're not getting it too badly. The eating little and often that they recommend is generally a very good idea - I find grazing/sipping fairly consistently does help. I also find lying down flat (after meals or when feeling nauseous) also helps a lot to settle things down. I seem to be starting to get a bit better now (week 11 in sight!) so am really hoping I'm one of the lucky ones who gets better as they get into the second trimester.

I will call them on Monday to follow up on the 12 week scan - I was only booked in a little over a week ago which might be why it is a bit late.

My ttc story is basically a little over 2 years of unexplained IF with blood tests and SA all coming back normal. I had a hycosy (like HSG but with ultrasound not xray) in October before our appointment with the consultant in November. I was sure that this appointment would see us starting IVF (had even worked out approximate dates etc!) given I was now 37 and getting rather deafened by the ticking! But the consultant said that my AMH was really good, tubes all clear etc, and that post hycosy we had a better chance of conception, so give it until January and if it hasn't worked by then, come back for IVF. I was a bit sceptical about continuing naturally as I had got it fixed in my mind it was never going to happen without assistance. But we were utterly thrilled (and somewhat stunned) to get a natural BFP just before Christmas! I really do think the hycosy made all the difference - they had to use a special tool to open up my cervix (ouch) to get the dye catheter in (double ouch), which suggests it was possibly a bit blocked before then.

Would love to know how others got here - it's so nice being able to take unqualified pleasure in an IF success story these days!

Tallyra Sat 08-Feb-14 18:30:40

Well I'm a berry anomaly because conception wasn't the problem for us, keeping hold of it was. first bfp was in 2009. Cue massive sickness, hg diagnosis, medication, hospital admission, eventual discharge and just about managing to make it to 12 weeks or so we thought. baby had stopped growing at about 8. Erpc followed. it took me a year to get over the ensuing depression before we tried again. It all started again but luckily the consultant from before was on top of it and I had a dildocam at 7 or 8 weeks which confirmed the same outcome. as we were about to go on holiday she booked me in for another erpc that day. Third try happened about 6 months later and exactly the same again. I have no idea why I let myself continue after that really!
I went down the genetics checkup route and was told the genetic reason for the 3rd one was a random mutation and nothing to worry about. So we tried again. It seems to have worked this time. 30 weeks now and I'm happier than ever because I know its survivable from here on grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin

Bunnygirlie Sat 08-Feb-14 22:05:25

Bit of brown spotting in my knickers, mind working overtime, don't think I'm going to sleep well tonight sad

Tallyra Sat 08-Feb-14 22:09:38

hugs bunny!!! it truly could be nothing. some people do spot early on for no reason. xxxxxxxx

BlindKitty Sun 09-Feb-14 00:44:52

bunny fear not! Several of us had brown spotting at exactly the same time as you. Yes, I freaked out (I actually lay still for 4 hours the first day it happened. The berries and FC nurse all tried to convince me it was normal but I wouldn't listen. Finally left after about 10 days. Your scan is Monday anyway so hopefully that will put your mind at rest brew

bunny hope you're ok and the spotting has remained spotting. What they said ^ - most likely nothing at all. Hang on in there for your scan! Xxx

Brodicea Sun 09-Feb-14 15:55:36

Hey bunny I hope everything is OK (as everyone says this isn't unusual) and that your mind is eased tomorrow at your scan xxxx

Bunnygirlie Sun 09-Feb-14 16:39:38

Thanks ladies, unless it's proper red or get proper pain I shouldn't worry too much easier said than done

Roll on tomorrow!

Still feeling sick so just relaxing watching a film whilst hubby watchs rugby upstairs. I have giant buttons, cuppa tea and my feet in a foot spa. Good times smile

Hope you are all having a good Sunday!

Foodylicious Sun 09-Feb-14 17:12:13

Oooh foot spa! sounds lovely bunny glad you holding up ok x

Foodylicious Sun 09-Feb-14 17:18:24

Now I know why I felt like crap yesterday - woke up this morning at 5.30 full of cold and coughing
stayed up till 9am then coughed myself into being sick and gave up and went back to bed
Up again at 12 and feeling pants sad so pjs all day and food, food, food! and cups of tea, lots of them
Eventually took some paracetamol and think they did actually help.
anyway, enough about me, How's everyone's weekend been??
Oh and a tiny bit more about me... 22 weeks today grin

BlindKitty Sun 09-Feb-14 17:59:47

bunny and foody sounds like you both need some looking after atm! brew

So in my news I went to the glee club last night and lee Evans was on. Not my type of humour but what a nice guy! Was just on to test out his new material for a new tour. Seemed very genuinely appreciative of the crowd and gave me a hug and said thank for listening on his way out (fyi I didn't initiate the hug haha).

Went to a baby shower today. Lovely nursery. Wish I could swap. Dh attempted to assemble ours but we were missing a bolt. House looks a bit like nursery blitzkrieg atm! Impressed with the nice lady at babies r us for dropping off the bolt on her way home!

Oh and the cat has just had another fit sad

Foodylicious Sun 09-Feb-14 18:09:52

Been looking at cloth nappies - what are peoples thoughts?

Foodylicious Sun 09-Feb-14 18:11:52

Poor cat kitty sad

PuppyMummy Sun 09-Feb-14 18:12:58

kitty sorry about ur cat sad , hope he/she is ok?

bunny hope ur ok, relaxing sounds good! hope all ok at scan tomorrow

foody hope u feel better tomorrow.

I have had a good sunday, lovely carvery, dog walk and then a nap and about to get in the bath.

BlindKitty Sun 09-Feb-14 19:34:55

foody I hate to be so environmentally unfriendly but I have no desire to clean shitty nappies!

Did remind me of a story someone said today at the baby shower. My friend made her Dh some sandwiches for work and left them in a bag on the counter. She'd also changed the baby's nappy and left it in a bag by the door on the floor. Her Dh thought he'd picked the sandwiches up and left them by the door...yup you guessed it, he took a shitty nappy to work!!! grin

Foody I'm planning on starting with disposable but maybe trying some reusable ones once we have found our feet. Many companies will do you a sample/trial of one for a small price

Foodylicious Sun 09-Feb-14 21:14:14

There seem to be some nappy libraries around as well as sling library's Think it will be good to have a look at the different types, there seem to be quite a few.
Will be getting some disposable too, ASDAs own seem to have great reviews for the price. My sister tried some 'eco friendly' disposable ones a while agonand they were crap, tabs tore off frequently they did not fit well and leaked, so arguably not fit for purpose!
Incidentally she used top brand nappies and formula milk with her first, did not even think about using anything else (genuinely did not enter her head to look) and was astounded in the price difference between brands when she had her 2nd and actually paid some attention!

Foodylicious Sun 09-Feb-14 21:15:59

Also seems lots of local authorities/councils have a voucher or money back scheme for cloth nappies, ours gives you a free starter pack or £30 back with proof of purchase.

Bunnygirlie Sun 09-Feb-14 21:47:01

foody feel better soon my lovely

kitty how's the cat?

Tallyra Sun 09-Feb-14 22:19:52

Oh kitty, poor little moggy.

We have been looking at cloth nappies and we will be getting a few starter packs after the newborn stage. We don't have a great local council, no incentives unfortunately but we don't like the idea of throwing away so much stuff every day.

Morning all

bunny good luck today, sure all will go well! Thinking of you xxx

kitty poor mog :-( how is she now?

I looked into cloth nappies briefly but the cost of getting enough for 2 is utterly prohibitive as an upfront purchase. Also I have seen some very sore bottoms on reuseable nappy wearing babies, I don't think this is directly due to the nappy but they don't 'wick' as well as disposables so need changing pretty vigilantly! I do like the idea though but not the prospect of washing/drying umpteen nappies a day

Starting to feel tired here. 30+1 today, and definitely walking with a waddle now. Just finished 3 shifts in a row and utterly knackered! Two days off now though, oooh bliss grin

Oh and my NCT teacher tried to call me last night (was at work) so she's going to call me tonight about the classes that start on sat! Ooh getting real I hope she doesn't ask what I do

BlindKitty Mon 10-Feb-14 06:50:33

boom you could always just say you work for the nhs?

boom bunny well she's giving me her early morning wake up call atm (incessant buffing and periodically shaking saliva on me when I ignore her) so I'm guessing she's fine again!

bunny good luck for today. What time is it?

jessplussomeonenew Mon 10-Feb-14 09:46:23

In the last two days my nausea has suddenly vanished. It's a wonderful feeling and I feel I should be delighted. But AIBU to be worrying about whether it could be a bad sign? I'm 11+1 so I keep trying to tell myself it's just leaving a bit ahead of schedule. I hadn't realised how much reassurance I was taking from being so sick, and now I can't stop wondering if everything is alright with the little one. I've started prodding my nipples to check for sensitivity which seems mad.... Luckily my scan date has come through (19th) so I have some reassurance ahead. But it suddenly seems an awfully long time away!

Thunderpantsarego Mon 10-Feb-14 09:55:25

Hi all,

This thread dropped off my list-disaster! I think that I must think I post more than I actually do.

bunny big lucks for today, what time is scan?

Re reusable nappies- yep we're giving it a try. We'll buy some disposables too but I've read that people who start off with them often have the most success. I'm not precious if it doesn't work out but I want to at least try! I understand you can use 24 instead of 4,000 disposables, and save hundreds of pounds. The washing is definitely the down side but the ones I'm looking at have a flushable bamboo liner. We'll see.

See girls- that is me actually thinking/talking about baby stuff!

kitty so sorry about the cat, is it epilepsy?

jessplussomeonenew Mon 10-Feb-14 10:00:53

Bunny, fx for your scan today.

Foody, hope you feel better soon - colds seem so unfair on top of everything else we have to go through.

I have two friends who are real nappy enthusiasts so will probably give it a try, particularly if they have some to pass on. Being able to use flushable nappy liners does appear to reduce the ickiness!

Bunnygirlie Mon 10-Feb-14 11:08:24

Woah this sh*t suddenly got real! shock grin smile

Thunderpantsarego Mon 10-Feb-14 11:11:59

All ok then bunny?

Yay bunny!! Tell all! Xxx

Foodylicious Mon 10-Feb-14 11:14:43

bunny bunny bunny!!!

No teasing, it's against the rules grin

Bunnygirlie Mon 10-Feb-14 11:24:03

I feel in a right daze!

Saw one (just one Boom) tiny flashing blob, amazing!

shock smile grin shock smile grin shock smile grin

Thunderpantsarego Mon 10-Feb-14 11:27:11

Fantastic fantastic news bunny!!! Really pleased for you. grin

Now the headf*#k really begins smile

Eeeeeee bunny so pleased for you!! and it never crossed my mind to ask about how many, honest..

Looks like you'll be joining in the disposable/reuseable nappy debate without having to cover your ears and go 'lalala' anymore grin

jessplussomeonenew Mon 10-Feb-14 11:50:16

Fantastic news, Bunny!!! grin

Bunnygirlie Mon 10-Feb-14 13:46:26

Thank you thank you thank you lovely berries x

So what do we think will come first, my 12 week scan or the first berry baby of the next generation?!?!?

So now I am admitting this is real, can anybody recommend any books or apps?

Brodicea Mon 10-Feb-14 14:50:25

Yay bunny grin

Pregnancy books I bought which were useful: The Mumsnet one, and Modern Girls Guide to Pregnancy.

DH got this and it's supposed to be good www.amazon.co.uk/The-Expectant-Dads-Handbook-pregnancy/dp/0091948045/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1392043793&sr=8-2&keywords=dads+baby+book

jessplussomeonenew Mon 10-Feb-14 16:44:15

Bunny, I like the 'I'm expecting' app - a convenient way to track weight, symptoms, notes etc.

There are lots of email lists out there with weekly updates - NHS, NCT have been useful so far, though I've tried to be careful not to sign myself up to anything that's going to spam me. In a slightly paranoid precaution but I set up a separate email address for all pregnancy related stuff so I could stop getting all of these emails instantly if anything went wrong.

'Expecting better' is a really good book to help you work through some of the evidence on various bits of pregnancy advice. I also came across a lovely book called Precious Babies, on pregnancy etc after infertility, which really helped me process some of the emotional differences between pregnancy after infertility compared with conceiving quickly.

(Can you tell I've been spending a lot of time stuck on the sofa lately?)

PuppyMummy Mon 10-Feb-14 18:18:12

excellent news bunny grin

Ha bunny you'll have to talk to merk and thunder about the first berry babies, mine aren't even in the race better not be

This website is good especially in the first trimester, I found it helped me connect a bit more because I knew what was going on daily. I got Mr Boom 'The Bloke's Guide to Pregnancy' last time round, but having actually read it it's dreadful, full of generalisations and myths re-packaged as fact, written by someone who hasn't got a clue.

Just walked the dogs for the third time today and starting to really feel like a fatty preggo now. Had to stop every few steps on the way back to let the underbump stitch subside!

Tallyra Mon 10-Feb-14 19:15:44

Yay bunny!!!!!grin

Jess, everyone who has gone through HG gets worried when the symptoms stop. Mine was about 14w and I was lucky because of my scans being so regular. You are fine, I'm sure there's nothing wrong but I know your 12w scan will help your head.

Tallyra Mon 10-Feb-14 19:17:55

You'll be before me though boom even though our dates are so close! Who else is before us? Is it Kat?

Yep, she's earlyish April I think. I'm going to cross my legs and make you go first Tally! Aiming for 40wk twins grin

Thunderpantsarego Mon 10-Feb-14 20:55:38

Phhhbbb boom I reckon it'll go merk, you, me... If I'm not overtaken by even more folk!

34 week appt today and all seems well smile

Happy to go first! Though with pelvis in the wrong place for baby to engage I may be after quite a lot of you!
Bunny I bought what to expect when you're expecting and never really read it. Happy to send it to you. I'm kind of the opinion now that you can read/learn too much, but I doubt I would have listened if somebody had told me that at the start!

Foodylicious Mon 10-Feb-14 21:34:53

Woah, thats going to be few of you at once! so far ahead... yay thunder smile 34 weeks is another 3 months away for me!shock

Thunderpantsarego Mon 10-Feb-14 21:54:20

merk might nature just take over and sort baby out to engage? I'm relying on that seeing as I don't have any other information to know what's going on in there.

BlindKitty Mon 10-Feb-14 21:57:26

Oh bunny I'm so pleased for you. Did you cry? Did you get a pic?

Dh and I are arguing over nursery furniture atm. angry I'm winning just so you know... wink

Thunderpantsarego Mon 10-Feb-14 22:00:39

Oo what's the argument, kitty?

BlindKitty Mon 10-Feb-14 22:21:59

Uh we've bought some furniture for the nursery but it doesn't fit so I want to move the drawers downstairs so I don't feel like a sardine in there and he wants to leave it all squashed in!!! I've dreamt about this nursery for years. It's only right I should get my own way...isn't it???

Bunnygirlie Mon 10-Feb-14 22:27:37

Thanks everyone x

thunder 34 weeks, Crikey that seems so far away at present!

kitty I did have a little tear in my eye! Hubby seemed in shock for a while. And yes we have a pic smile

Foodylicious Mon 10-Feb-14 22:48:21

kitty my OH has resigned himself to the fact for all things bump and baby related he is allowed to have an opinion, but he does not have a 'say' in what actually happens grin
These were his words, not mine!

It seems with the angle my pelvis is at baby can't go any lower so probably won't happen.
Kitty keep arguing. I got told multiple times by MIL that I had to have drawers in the nursery but I didn't want any... I'm having a wardrobe and shelving with boxes instead. Sure baby won't mind and if I want to hang the baby clothes up I don't see why I can't!

BlindKitty Tue 11-Feb-14 07:00:46

bunny they let me video it! Fyi once uou get to the antenatal unit they don't! I burst into tears and then started laughing when I realised I was crying with a dildocam between my legs haha!

foody bizarrely Dh has said that too!

merk I'm buying more drawers that will actually fit haha! FYI Dh loved that one when I told him! Basically we should have just done our measurements before we bought everything but we just got a bit carried away!

Thunderpantsarego Tue 11-Feb-14 07:38:04

kitty yeah absolutely right, you definitely get to call the shots with the nursery - stick to your guns!

That's not cool merk, hope you can get pelvis sorted. I guess I might have something like that too and just not know about it?

bunny yes I know what you mean- being in the thirties seems so far away at the beginning, feels bloody amazing to get there tho, even tho I feel far from bloody amazing physically! Just over 2 weeks left at work now too smile

Tallyra Tue 11-Feb-14 08:19:18

I'm in 2 minds about finishing work. I have 4 weeks left after half term (or it could be 3) but I'm not sure what I'll do once I stop. walk dog and fret about the nursery that isn't anywhere near sorted and sit around getting lonely. I need a plan!!!

MotherOfCleo Tue 11-Feb-14 08:35:45

tally you will probably do like I did, walk heaps I went on a 6km+ walk trying to get bubs engaged when I was 38 weeks drink lots of rasberry leaf tea, eat curry, decide to dtd even though logistically it's rather tricky and wonder if its worth eating your body weight in pineapple to encourage the little one to make an entrance. Turns out I am not a patient person blush confused

Thunderpantsarego Tue 11-Feb-14 08:48:02

I can't wait to have some time to myself! Sleeping and chilling out, gentle walks and getting my house sorted. Sounds like bliss to me, especially as every day is such hard work now.

MotherOfCleo Tue 11-Feb-14 08:57:27

Enjoy it thunder, I loved pottering and walking, seeing friends etc. I did have odd nesting urges though, for example I decided to sort out our tupperware cupboard.....random!
I do recommend cooking up some meals for the freezer while you're off, I did about 10 days worth, they actually got used more once my OH was back at work as it was one less thing to have to do during the day, but we did have a couple of crazy days where having food ready to heat up was a saviour. grin

Thunderpantsarego Tue 11-Feb-14 09:09:26

Thanks for the tip moc, we were talking about doing this last night. My DH works at home and does all the cooking at the moment so hopefully between that and some frozen back ups we won't starve!

Thunder I thought we finished at the same time, how come I still have FOUR LONG WEEKS left to go? My scrubs don't fit any more and I'm already on size gigantic...

I can't wait to have the opportunity to actually sleep although I know most of my time will be spent cleaning. Is it bad that I'm considering getting a professional team in to give the house a deep clean before the babies arrive? Can't really afford it but the prospect of scrubbing skirting/sorting out the oven is just vile when I can't clean my own teeth without getting breathless... and the house really is skanky. Two muddy dogs out walking twice a day in the middle of a wet winter has resulted in pure filth and I just can't keep up.

Feeling a bit sad with all this talk of nurseries. We have made the eminently sensible but boring decision to not 'do' a nursery as we don't have the money and the babies won't know they're sleeping in Mr Boom's old study. Wish I could go out and buy cute shabby-chic furniture though.. Think I'll probably spend my mat leave wandering around charity shops hoping to find a couple of nice mobiles or rugs to cheer it up a little - if I can still move at all by that point of course!

Foodylicious Tue 11-Feb-14 09:59:02

boom we too are strapped for cash and not really doing a nursery - will be getting a 2nd hand bedside cot for our room and probably a white set of drawers. - I plan on using these as a changing table
The 2nd bedroom is going to be painted. Unfortunately money will be being spent on having the two outside walls of the room fitted with insulating plasterboard and skimming as it gets damp and moldy on those walls.
(This is what we had put in on the bathroom walls a few years ago and used dulux kitchen and bathroom paint with 'moldtec' and have not had any mildew in there since).
I an even considering getting some cheap wall decals, and I don't even like them generally! www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=wall+decals&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Awall+decals
Some of the nursery ones are a bit naff, but there are some that I am hoping will 'lift' the room.
For the first 6 months at least though the nusery will just be somewhere to keep babygrows and change nappies anyway, but want it to feel like a nice place to be for me too smile

Also, not sure how I feel about this but someone suggested I do a list of all the things we will need a bit like a wedding list and give people something off the list to get us when they ask what we want??confused
Has anyone else heard of this??

winohhh Tue 11-Feb-14 10:08:06

Congrats on the scan news bunny!!! Wonderful news!!

Foody I've done a list. In the first instance it was for us (used amazon baby list function) to keep track of what we wanted to buy. Then when people started asking what they could get us (and wouldn't take no for an answer) I added smaller stuff like bedding etc. It has been really helpful as I've found people want to buy stuff but don't know what you want or need

Mother I was thinking of you the other day and the amount of walking you did... How?? I waddled walked probably 20 mins the other day (town and back) and it was agony by the time I got home (plus I looked like a duck)

Foody I opened that link expecting to hate them but actually some are quite nice! I wonder if we could stretch to a coat of paint and a decal then...

Just flicking through my maternity notes (as you do) and noticed that someone's written 'delivery discussed - would like elective section or induction of labour after 38wks' errr, no I'd prefer to avoid them altogether thanks! I presume this is just a poor interpretation of my saying that I wouldn't even consider them BEFORE 38wks unless there was a medical indication, but think I might get them to cross that out next time I go in..

Boom that would made me v angry. I was getting wound up at the leaflet the other day which explains what should be covered at each midwife appointment. Nobody has talked to me about labour, breast feeding, birth plan etc so I'm wondering when they're planning on fitting it all in!

Jess - try not to worry about the sickness disappearing overnight, it is a strange feeling to suddenly realise you feel more human again. Your placenta is doing its job now so treat it as a positive sign

Nursery - we are not doing anything really expensive. Painting light grey and white, and also have a pink tree decal to go over the cot (which we haven't ordered yet). We have a wardrobe I am just adding a second rail to, and have got some cube/open shelves from ikea. This week we will be sanding floorboards ourselves and painting then hopefully I can start putting things away. Ordered a pink chair last night, but that was from my

Thunderpantsarego Tue 11-Feb-14 11:05:22

boom, I'm all over my mat notes after every appointment. I have asked loads of questions about blood levels etc- bet they love me! I don't blame you wanting to get the discrepancies sorted out.

merk we are all set to do birth plan etc at my next appt which is 36 weeks and mw has highlighted the info I should read before the appt. perhaps there will be similar for you? I've also signed up for the free antenatal classes on top of nct, so at some point reality might kick in about the fact there might be a real baby on its way?

boom I was due to finish work at 38 weeks on 7th March but have brought it forward a week. You could do the same?

I am also walking a fair bit very slowly although lovely DH has been giving me a lift home from work as that walk plus dog walks can be pretty tiring. merk what was agony from walking?

Nursery- we're just using existing furniture too- a chest of drawers and an ikea unit and we'll put some shelves up I think. Oh and blackout curtains for naps.

Foodylicious Tue 11-Feb-14 11:13:38

Go on boom, I first thought I would just give the room a quick paint after the plastering is done but am pleased I am now going to make an effort to make it nice for us.
That sounds nice merk! I do like those cube shelves.
I have also been looking at stacker beds to replace the knackered single one in there. It is our only spare room and OH has slept in there for months now sad, but with my poor sleep and his shifts it works for us at the moment. Going to hold off getting a full size cot until we need one, hoping we will get one cheap (or free!) 2nd hand.
Really not looking forward to emptying the room and taking the wardrobes apart to get the room done though, will be a nightmare storing it all!

Foodylicious Tue 11-Feb-14 11:18:54

Crap thunder I had forgotten about blinds/curtains - better get thinking.
Hmm......might get some fabric and ask my step mum to make the curtains? Cheers for the prompt.
I might actually be brave enough to start a list of what we need to do?shock?
Have been putting it all off incase something goes wrong but think I am starting to feel better about things
<whispers oh god did I just say that outloud???hmm>

Agony when I walk is that it feels like somebody is repeatedly kicking me in the crotch. I assumed it was her bouncing on my cervix but it seems its more likely to do with my unstable pelvis. When it hurts I have an involuntary urge to grab my groin a la Michael Jackson (which I can do at home) and have to concentrate hard to not do that in public!
I started my free antenatal classes (there are 3 of them) but they are not really on my wavelength (pro epidural and interventions) plus so far have not heard anything I didn't know already.
This week I have started with having to pee a lot overnight, every 1 or 2 hours. Its driving me mad, my bladder seems to be the size of a thimble. And I am really thirsty so its a never ending circle!
Boom am I right in thinking I can refuse induction and elect for a C section if I go over my dates?

Thunderpantsarego Tue 11-Feb-14 11:41:48

It's not SPD is it merk? Sounds really uncomfortable you poor thing.
Surely you can elect for a c-section at any point if that's what you want?

Foodylicious Tue 11-Feb-14 11:42:47

Sure its just your stage of pg merk but have you had your blood sugars checked?
I have a really dry mouth over night as am apparently now a 'mouth breather' in my sleep, I sometimes suck on a mint instead of drinking, but be careful not to fall asleep and choke!

Merk it depends on your consultant! You can absolutely refuse induction, they can't make you have it (you have to give consent for every intervention and it's your right to refuse anything at all), however depending on the consultant you might have to do a bit of justifying to get a section as soon as you go over 40wks but since you're Dr Merk that should be easy. Ultimately the NICE guidelines say that if a woman requests an elective section and understands the benefits/risks etc then this should be facilitated but you may meet with resistance. Alternatively you might have a very pro-section consultant who's happy to do it!

Honestly, I think you'd be well within your rights to request elective given how much pain you're in.

Re the notes, to be honest I'm not impressed with the care I've had. Because I'm under consultant care I get a scan, wee dip and BP every 4 weeks. That's it. No recommendation for flu jab, whooping cough jab, had to remind them to do my bloods at 20/28 weeks and never got told the results until I asked, definitely no discussion of breastfeeding/parentcraft/birth plans! Luckily I know what I'm supposed to be doing but if I weren't 'in the trade' I'd have no clue what was going on. The fact that they've written 'delivery discussed' actually annoys me - what they actually said was 'we'll discuss it closer to the time' when I started banging on about not wanting induction, they clearly didn't want to have the conversation. I asked them last appt if I were going to get extra appointments because I'm coming up to (twin) full term and you normally get seen every 2 weeks minimum to check wee and blood pressure. They said 'oh sort it out with your midwife' - umm I don't have a midwife, I'm under consultant care.

Things would be very different if I were running this show!

Tallyra Tue 11-Feb-14 12:22:02

Crap crap crap. Merk, I'd talk to your midwife about the pains. I mentioned mine to the mw this morning and she thinks it might be the start of spd. Mine sounds much milder than yours at the moment but she's going to set up an appt with physio to check. I feel like I've been kicked in the groin after walking the dog.
I desperately don't want it to be spd, I've seen so many people on here go through that and it seems painful and unnecessary confused

Foodylicious Tue 11-Feb-14 13:11:20

Just given my mat notes a bit of a tidy up, extra appt had been filed all over the place. Looked at my nexy MW appt in 3 weeks and realised this is with another MW i have not met. Is this normal? not that bothered but that will be 3 appts with 3 different MWs
Whats everyone else been like?
Oh and also realised in the column marked 'drug/alcohol abuse' she has written 'stopped' - am a bit confused about this - will others read this as I did have a problem??!!?? or is she just noting that I don't drink now I am pg?
Can anyone else feel their pulse almost anywhere in their body? have had it for a couple of weeks and expected my blood pressure to be in the normal/high range, but its still in the normal/low range (97/55) - can't fathom out why I can feel it so much, any ideas - not worried just curious smile

Foodylicious Tue 11-Feb-14 13:42:25

Some of these are quite funny

Now I really must have some lunch, get dressed and do something with my day. OHs birthday tomorrow and I don't have a card yet! got pressie already, but need a card and maybe cake.

Yes it's spd, hence the chiropractors. Tally push for a chiro rather than a physio if you can, they are v different.
The reason I may not want induction is that it seems pointless to induce me if baby can not engage due to my pelvis angle. I'm generally in the 'I will do everything to avoid a section' camp but there's no point me trying something that is going to fail.
Foody I can feel my pulse all over, in fact if I stay still I can see it in a lot of places too
I have had a different midwife for every appointment
Assuming they checked my wee for sugars 2 weeks ago, but who knows!

Brodicea Tue 11-Feb-14 14:16:22

merk that sounds very wise.

I just got back from my 28 week appointment and am a bit worried and upset. I'm measuring 33cm which is 5cm bigger than I should be and they're sending me in for another scan. I asked the midwife (always a different one here too!) what that meant and she said they just want to check if it's too much water and/or baby is growing normally. She's also in the engaged position. What if she is too big? What will happen? What if there is a lot of water? Does that matter? Is she coming early?

Feeling a bit shaken and I don't know why - it's not a huge deal… I guess??

Brod, boom will obv know more but as far as I understand it...
Measurements with the tape measure are notoriously inaccurate. Some babies engage early (and some don't engage until labour) and it has no relevance to when labour starts. Also she may be head down today but something else next week if she is anything like mine. The range of normal size for a baby is huge, baby may be on the bigger end of the scale but that doesn't mean she is 'too big'. Try not to worry about the if's until you have facts at the scan, the likelihood is that all will be fine and you will simply get and extra free chance to see baby bobbing around in there happily. And if baby is big, or you have extra water then the best possible scenario is they know about it and can decide what to do next. Have a hand to hold while you wait. When's the scan?

Brodicea Tue 11-Feb-14 14:30:34

Thanks merk - I feel a bit silly being so upset about it before I know if something is wrong! I have been very lucky with the pregnancy so far, no dramas, so been waiting for something to happen. The MW faxed off a request for a scan, so not sure exactly when, but she seemed to think it would be within the next few days. I'm hoping it's just a bit inaccurate - I am constipated! - and/or it's not a huge problem. Of course Dr Google is making me worry about all sorts.
This is the first time I have been measured and it seems to have been a little big throughout (anecdotally).

Anecdotally my measurements are always a bit on the small side yet my scan and chiropractor are clearly suggesting otherwise. Its normal to panic/worry, hang in there

I'm wondering if baby may be engaging, my bump has changed shape and I feel like I want to poo all the time grin

And I think I might be having Braxton hicks, although they don't really feel like period pain. They are a bit sharper than that and at the lower front/sides of my bump, not deep inside where I would expect period pain to be. Def uncomfortable. am not worrying at all that this is labour starting, oh no grin

Are Braxton hicks supposed to come and go? This is more of an always there ache/pain (although its not quite a pain, its more than an ache)

<fills entire thread on own> grin

Brodicea Tue 11-Feb-14 16:36:19

Hmm, merk I wonder - when are you due?

Ages yet, 21 march.
Am faffing about whether I should go to the supermarket innate fear of waters breaking in public place
Sure it is nothing but I've not had any pain at all before. Its mostly one sided though so prob just baby in a weird place does not manage to convince myself

Thunderpantsarego Tue 11-Feb-14 16:43:34

merk sounds like the pains I was having the other day. Have had them since as well, but they passed after about an hour. Presumably if your bump has changed shape that will put extra pressure on different muscles/ligaments etc?

So has chiropractor magic worked already do you think if baby is engaging?

brod poor you. Midwives sometimes don't think how much they can panic people with poor explanations!

Firstly, merk is totally right - measuring with a tape is very subjective and a 'guesstimate' at best regarding the size of baby. Position of baby, your abdominal length, body fat, size of the lunch you just ate and who measured you can all skew the measurement. Do you have a personalised growth chart? They're slightly more accurate as they take height/weight into consideration but that's all.

A lot of women measure small or large for dates, and it's policy to send all of them for growth scans. The vast majority have perfectly normal sized babies, measuring is basically a very crude screening test designed to pick up those few who do have issues with growth.

If I were you I'd keep away from google, the chances are you'll have a lovely scan and everything will be totally normal. If it turns out she's a big baby they might check you again for gestational diabetes, and if there's a lot of fluid they might do another anatomy scan to make sure there are no problems with her digestive system or the placenta. To reassure you, extra fluid is quite common and often no cause is ever found, you'd just be monitored a bit more closely; gestational diabetes can usually be managed well with diet. But like I said, most likely outcome is a very normal sized baby in there!

Not sure what the midwife means by 'engaged position', at 28weeks she probably just means that the baby is cephalic (head down). Even if the head is in your pelvis at the moment it could easily pop out again, the head is too small at this point to engage properly!

Sorry you've had a fright, hopefully your scan will come through quickly and reassure you that everything's normal xx

Oooh, missed merk's mystery pains! sounds like the baby's gone a bit lower to me, probably stretching the lower bit of your belly that hasn't had to give way before. I'd expect early labour to be a bit more crampy and feel uterine, if these are 'surface' pains I think it's more likely to be nerves/ligaments getting newly squished and stretched..

Brodicea Tue 11-Feb-14 16:52:47

Thanks for the reassurance boom - she did seem very skittish and was phoning a colleague to check what to do so it all seemed a bit ER which probably started me off thinking the worst.
I don't have a personalised growth chart - she did mention that if I had been in Leeds throughout, I would have one so I guess she's sending me as a precaution as she couldn't check this.
Can't wait for the scan and to know if there are any more tests needed. Hopefully she's OK in there - first bit of non-average news really, and I have a friend who had a still birth and another friend whose son died just after birth so I think I'm a bit of a pessimist.

In other news merk is having some interesting pangs - if they were contractions, would they also come and go? Help Boom!

'Squished' is a technical term btw grin

Brodicea Tue 11-Feb-14 16:53:55

Oops x-post….

I like the squished technical term! Boom I honestly don't know how we would have got through this without you. I shall bring you chocs and wine to the next meet up for all the free advice and reassurance.
I'm going to go with squished for now. However pain is not ignorable, so am working on staying calm provided it does not get worse. Def think chiro magic is working as I think bump has dropped; I could be imagining it BUT my heartburn has almost gone which I'm thinking would back that up

Thunder weren't your pains sharp and all over? This is a deep, non stop ache / hurt on one side, a little like a bigger hurried stitch.

Foodylicious Tue 11-Feb-14 17:06:20

merk would calling your mat assessment unit make you feel any better? ours are open 24hrs and were lovely when I called them with pains a few weeks ago (pains nothing like yours so I can't help though - mine were more like my cervix or urethra were being pinched, hard.).
They were really reasuring and gave me the option of popping down to see them

Aww shucks merk, I think you've probably given out far more useful advice than I have!

foody is right btw, if you're worried give them a bell, they can always get you to pop down for a quick go on the monitor to rule out contractions.

Think you've passed your heartburn onto me merk nothing to do with the toffee and pecan slice I just gobbled nonono-

Def not contractions, just uncomfortable. (Ps my 'hurried' stitch was supposed to be a hurty stitch). Figure it will either go or turn into something else so am just heading home now for a bath. Am clearly not having a good day as just had to do a jig and concentrate quite seriously in the supermarket car park to stop me peeing my pants! <Bows> Glad to be here to keep you all entertained grin Dear Newbies, you have all of this glamour to come...

Foodylicious Tue 11-Feb-14 18:06:31

Think I am talking myself into a trip to the docs tomorrow - have had lower back pain at night last few nights, same as i get when I wake up really needing a pee so have just peed on a stick
++ for protien, bit more than a trace of blood and ++ leucocytes. Will try to remember to catch a sample in the morning and test it again

Foody I don't know what any of that means or what kind of stick you are peeing on but am jealous you have sticks that I don't hope all is ok

Shove up and make room in the chopper gringringringringrin

Foodylicious Tue 11-Feb-14 18:37:54


EEEEEEE who?! Who?!

Ps boo to possible uti foody, get drinking!

Foodylicious Tue 11-Feb-14 18:39:38

merk they are the same sticks at the one your doc uses. Like all good nurses I have 'appropriated' a tub from work grin(they are slightly out of date and we have loads of these already for training).

Jealous of your sticks!
Think pain may have been caused by trying not to burst knowing about a berry bfp for a lot of the day grin

Foodylicious Tue 11-Feb-14 18:40:32

Just remembered I have some cystitis sachets somewhere, should be fine to drink these shouldn't I?

No idea about sachets I'm afraid

Bloody hormones have me nearly crying at Sid's BFP!

Bloody hormones have me almost crying at you almost crying at sid's BFP!

foody probs fine but since I am but a mere midwhiff and not an all powerful pharmacist can't say yes or no definitively! Go with cranberry juice and water tonight and get some stuff from doc tomorrow?

grin boom

Have been meaning to say that my mum sent me a link to a full length body pillow (not a pregnancy specific one) from Argos for £13 the other day. Sent OH to get it as figured even if it was crap it didn't really matter for that price. Its actually been quite good, long enough to go between the legs and support bump and put my head on it. Its a little synthetic feeling and there is a zip at either end which is annoying, and its a little thin but it is massively cheaper than any pregnancy pillow I've seen and will certainly do the job for me

Foody I think one of the grads once mentioned that cranberry juice if you have got cystitis can actually make it worse (perhaps the sugar or something)? Maybe worth asking them as I seem to remember it was a comment in response to somebody having cystitis while preggers

Foodylicious Tue 11-Feb-14 18:59:26

Thanks merk can't stand the stuff so glad I don't have to force it down!

Foodylicious Tue 11-Feb-14 19:02:44

just had a look at the pillow merk think I will pop out and get one tomorrow!

Glad to have been a help

Panic over on the belly pain, it's gone

Good point, has to be actual cranberry juice/tablets and not the shitty sea breeze 'juice drink'. Water will do though foody!

Oooh I want the pillow too..

Tallyra Tue 11-Feb-14 19:06:48

Tears in my eyes over Sid. dh just asked me if I was alright!!!

Bloody hell Sid has reduced us to a blubbering mess!
Am amazed at her full blown FUFC bfp, not just the last cycle before IVF but after actually starting treatment!! grin Bet her clinic were starting to count their pennies prematurely grin

Bunnygirlie Tue 11-Feb-14 19:38:03

Hi y'all

Fab news about sid hope she comes to join me soon, I need another early berry!

Didn't I make you cry wink

So much of your chat I have to whizz through, it's all Greek and scary to me at the moment

We all had faith in your BFP Bunny, Sid's au naturel one is a bit of a shocker tho!

Thunderpantsarego Tue 11-Feb-14 20:13:47

Oh yeah merk you're right, that episode was pain all over bump. Have had some stabby pains on low left side too- asked the mw yesterday as it's pretty tender there even as she was feeling it and she said it's pretty common, especially low down there. So have you been doing lots of chiro exercises or appointments? Wanting to pick up on some tips as I have no idea what troubles lay in store for me.

Just wonderful news from sid, just got everything crossed it sticks ok. Brilliant FUFC!

PoppySeedBun Tue 11-Feb-14 21:21:22

Wow, loads of activity on here the last few days - I can't keep up.
Great scan news, bunny - congratulations. So exciting to see a heartbeat bouncing away.

Tally I'm with you on mat leave - have 6 weeks left before I go off, at 37 weeks. Not sure what to plan for, given it could reasonably be anything from 1-5 weeks I have to fill!

Bunnygirlie Tue 11-Feb-14 21:34:54

Ugh looks my sister is psychic! She pointed at my tummy tonight and asked if there was anything in there! Grrrrrrrr. Why would she think that is ok to ask someone who she knew was struggling and awaiting ivf!?!

Thunderpantsarego Wed 12-Feb-14 01:44:26

What did you say to her, bunny?

BlindKitty Wed 12-Feb-14 06:46:14

Oh my goodness, you have been busy berries! That's just taken AGES to read!!!

So where's mrs B then?? bunny you need to go and get her!!!

bunny I always had every faith you'd be preggers too!

merk tally sorry you're feeling shite, wish I had done words of wisdom to help

boom I'm under a consultant too. I haven't seen a me since 16 weeks (26 weeks now) and all the doctors say when they see me is how they haven't had any letters back re my fictitious cervical treatment (helpful hmm. Do you think I can ask to see a mw at the hospital? Feel like I'm missing out on useful info, Dopplers and measurements. Not even having any more scans now grr

So the car seat arrived yesterday...suddenly feels a lit more real (even though we got the nursery furniture on Friday!)

Thunderpantsarego Wed 12-Feb-14 08:31:42

kitty that sounds so crap that you're not seeing a mw. What about all the useless bump measuring, pot weeing and 'shall we have a little listen to baby?'

Exciting about car seat tho!

So insomnia is getting increasingly worse here. Awake between 1-4am and then again at 6. Another reason why I'm looking forward to giving up work- at least I can go with it and catch up in the day time!

Bunnygirlie Wed 12-Feb-14 08:36:08

Well I'm glad you had faith in my BFP because I certainly didn't lol

thunder I snapped at her! I said are you trying to say I'm fat? I said even if I was I wouldn't tell her till it was 'safe'. She said it was the way I was standing, if it's like that now I have no hope!

kitty I expect she is in denial like I was, I am only just in the copter grin

Gosh I felt rough this morning, was actually sick sad

Thunderpantsarego Wed 12-Feb-14 08:42:43

Good for you bunny, you're right people should be careful what they say. I'd be careful with your sad over vomming tho, because 1. If you start feeling better you'll freak out and wish you were sick again and 2. You might be in it for the long haul!

Brodicea Wed 12-Feb-14 09:38:13

I wish I had done that bunny when my colleague asked me at 10 weeks 'whose ate all the pies then??' - I should have been pissed off rather than prematurely blurting the news.

thunder is wise

Brodicea Wed 12-Feb-14 09:50:49

Also, it's been a while since we reminded each other to… CLENCH

Thunder welcome to my sleep hell. Am sorry somebody else has got it too as its crap

Bunny the best advice I can give with sickness is that for most people it does seem to be worst when they are hungry. So find some snacks you can stomach and keep at them all the time, especially as soon as you wake in the morning. My snacking was incredibly unhealthy (crisps, biscuits, crap and junk) but without it I would have been a lot more sick I think. For me it had to be something i could prepare v quickly so i could eat the second i started to feel ill. I seem to remember lots of us eating cheese spreads (philadelphia, dairylea) too! dont eat apples, theyre horrible in reverse. The other thing I did was take my multivitamin with food at a time of day when I was least likely to be sick, that way I had some faith it was at least getting some vitamins into me if I was throwing everything else up and only eating shit food! FX it is just a one off though.

Foodylicious Wed 12-Feb-14 11:33:32

merk is right bunny crap beige/carb food is the way to go.
I got through lots of scotch pancakes, malt loaf, crumpets, muffins, crisps, snack bars, biscuits, crackers, toast and sandwiches!
Would literally be eating them in the middle of the night, say 3am or first thing before I even got up to pee! for weeks I would take buttered scotch pancakes or maltloaf (wrapped up) to bed (think this was booms suggestion) so I could eat it without moving.
(managed a fair few Maccy D's in these weeks too, was almost like I was craving the salt and fat!)
I also still take my vitamins at night as this was the time I was least likely to be sick.
<prepare for a brief whinge>
So basically my choice was eat little bits of rubbish food very regularly and put on a bit more weight than I should, or eat normally which would end in being really, really sick and unable to eat confused then get dehydrated and feel awful.
I definitely did not have it as bad as some, but did have 5-6 weeks off work and was being sick 8ish times a day with almost constant nausea (only got better because of tablets and I am still taking them sad).

Best advice I can give you is get in there with the snacks now, don't put up with it and 'see how it will go' - made this mistake on and off for too long. Apparently the earlier you can get on top of the nausea/sickness the less likely it is to get worse or last as long.
cheese spreads, chocolate spreads and jams were used to excess in this household too!

Hopefully yours will not last too long smile, it really is different for everyone!

i did quite enjoy eating all those carbs at times as we don't normally even keep bread in the house!

hungry now, off to make a sandwich grin

Foodylicious Wed 12-Feb-14 11:35:04

Crap, just realised it is only 11.30. Lunch might have to wait a bit, will have some grapefruit instead. Really want a cheese sandwich.

<now craving malt loaf>

Foodylicious Wed 12-Feb-14 11:44:00

making a coffee cake later, OHs birthday today!

Truly struggling with tiredness today, feel as though I am walking through tar. Want to sleep but have a wax appointment which I am keen to get out of the way (already moved it once this week). The thought of getting dressed and driving to the salon is defeating me though! Where has my energy gone??

Thunderpantsarego Wed 12-Feb-14 13:29:45

Eating mini eggs over here. I agree with the others re snacking. Digestive biscuits were my best friend- kept a packet by the bed, in the car, at work....

Yeah merk I'm never a good sleeper when not pg but it's been much worse through the whole pregnancy. This is taking it to a new level tho. I think so much going on in life/my head doesn't help!

Thunderpantsarego Wed 12-Feb-14 13:35:16

Does anyone know about achey legs? Mine are so uncomfortable and it seems unlinked to actual physical exercise or anything. What is it and can I make it go away?!

Are you sure they're not swollen Thunder?

Foodylicious Wed 12-Feb-14 13:48:45

thunder do you know if you are getting cramps at night? mine are achy after night cramps.
best this you can do is a combination of exercise and rest - exercise will help with the circulation, just a short walk will do. If you can, rest with them up with a couple of pillows under both legs (longways so support your legs strait as much as possible). Some ankle rotations and flexing/pointing your feet may help too!

Watch the vid here if you need a laugh

Its the #doyourblardyexercises woman and she's v funny

Thunderpantsarego Wed 12-Feb-14 14:12:11

Yeah they're definitely not swollen and they're not cramping as far as I know foody, and I was awake for the majority of last night! When I'm resting they are very ready to cramp- I can just move a tiny bit and feel cramp coming on so I adjust again and it will pass. It's so weird tho, feels like I've walked up a mountain even after a pretty restful day. Thanks for the advice tho, I do bits of walking (to and around work and with the dog) and resting too- I'll prop them up now and see if it helps.

If you feel close to cramps my only advice is to drink more water <totally unhelpful>

Thunderpantsarego Wed 12-Feb-14 15:11:10

Yeah not sure that's actually possible! So thirsty, particularly in the evenings, I'm probably drinking a litre or two in a couple of hours. Will keep trying to drink more tho. Loved the pelvic floor woman, she's great!

Foodylicious Wed 12-Feb-14 16:05:04

Was going to suggest tonic water but have had a read and its another one off limits in pregnancy hmm

Foodylicious Wed 12-Feb-14 16:06:21

that sounds like a lot thunder how much are you drinking in 24hrs do you think?

Foodylicious Wed 12-Feb-14 16:22:46

Dunno if it helps but I am that thirsty too, prob drinking a similar amount

Thunderpantsarego Wed 12-Feb-14 17:06:36

It really varies foody, but it wouldn't be unusual for me to drink about 4 pints in a couple of hours of an evening. I'm not so thirsty in the daytime, so it's probably a couple of pints plus 3 or four warm drinks.

Sometimes I notice that even tho I feel like I've drunk loads my wee is quite dark... So I drink more!

I asked the mw a few weeks ago and she said it was quite normal. Hard work is what it is!

Will look at link now...

SidneyBristow Wed 12-Feb-14 17:44:41

Ok guys, I see I have some apologizing to do for making pregnant ladies get weepy grin sorry 'bout that! Can I come in or is there a Very Strict Requirement on how far along Chopper berries need to be??

I'm kind of nervous at the moment - had my hcg test today to confirm pregnancy, and the nurse called about an hour ago to say it was 323. She seemed really pleased and said anything over 25 is good. However I couldn't stop myself from googling and now, although I am confident there's something going on down there, should the hcg level be higher?? It looks like 323 is within the acceptable range but I see posts on the internet about how other people's are 1000+...FF is telling me I'm on CD33, and 19dpo.

I really don't want to be wondering about this for 48hrs so thought I'd ask for your experience - anyone else have blood test this early on, or know anything (good or bad) that might prepare me for Fri?


Sid you're in the right place, this thread is here for all the worrying and questions, no matter how random.
What we've all found is that implantation doesn't necessarily take place on a schedule, ie its not x days post O. So because of the variance of when you O, when egg gets fertilised and then when physical implantation takes place your dates can be all over the place at this point. Eg I was dated nearly a week later than I expected to be at my first scan (which had me totally panicking). Therefore that will be the reason the HcG ranges are so wide at this point, and you're in normal range so try not to worry. In a none FC situation you would have got a BFP on a piss stick and had no other information; sometimes the extra info (blood tests, early scans) increases the worry as you try to compare it against what google deems as normal. Deep breath, hang on in there and take it a day at a time

Thunderpantsarego Wed 12-Feb-14 19:11:50

Welcome sid and welcome to the worry chopper! Totally second everything merk says, and particularly about one day at a time. Super pleased for you that hcg levels are good- you are so upduffed!! Take that all those challenging people in your life- POW!!!

Bunnygirlie Wed 12-Feb-14 19:31:47

Ah yes thunder is a wise berry!

Thanks for the advice merk yep all I want to eat at the mo is crap, I try to avoid bread as my IBS doesn't like it but there is no way I'm eating salad in this weather and I want sandwiches!

foody just had a maccyDs lol I think I am craving salt too! I have some crackers by my bed for first thing but they didn't help this morning. Can't stomach much water at the mo so drinking juice to keep hydrated.

Lost weight for Christmas party, at this rate I will be chucking loads on now! grin

Welcome sid I found I clung to the copter rope ladder until my 6 week scan lol. No advice I'm afraid, I wasn't given blood tests.

So glad to have another early berry here, the others are all so close to popping smile

Bunny try not to worry about calories, your body & baby bunny need them and will use them to grow

Tallyra Wed 12-Feb-14 21:19:16

bunny, the food advice is all good. you will not damage the baby by eating crap and you need to try and keep on top of things before you start to get dehydrated because that will make you feel even worse. I had a lot of cans of coke and ribena as that's all I could go for at one point, along with prawn cocktail crisps. bananas were also good for a while at the beginning.

Hi sid!!! I've got no advice but just want to welcome you over here. I'm so happy to see you here grin grin grin grin grin

BlindKitty Wed 12-Feb-14 21:20:12

bunny tbf the copter is becoming quite a scary place (just as much my fault as everyone else!). Before I'd 'come out' my friend's little girl asked if I had a baby in my tummy! Quite sure her mum had said I wanted one! Such a risky game to play with someone ttc for so long! Could have gone horribly wrong!

brod I think we've all been too preoccupied with bunny (let's blame her anyway wink)

Well if it isn't mrs b!!! Come on in (someone lock the hatch before we scare her out!!). My trust doesn't even do blood tests as they reckon it makes people more paranoid and also because they probably can't be arsed to pay for them. Try not to worry (yeh yeh I know, pot calling kettle) and try to enjoy it smile

BlindKitty Thu 13-Feb-14 06:50:07

Ooh went to pregnancy yoga again last night. Was much nicer than before. It's in someone's house so much more personal.

BlindKitty Thu 13-Feb-14 06:54:28

Just woke up from a very annoying dream. Just dreamt that my mum decided what the baby would wear leaving the hospital and I him (even though shes a girl) on the bus home argh!

MotherOfCleo Thu 13-Feb-14 08:11:12

Just sneaking in to welcome sid grin grin and pass on my congrats! Try not to panic too much, as far as I know from my early doors panicking hormones arent released steadily they are released in bursts. Thats why lines on pee sticks tend not to gradually darken but stay the same for a few days then get darker, stay the same again, then darker again etc. I peed on heaps and panicked that each one wasnt darker each day, I was a crazy worry wart at the beginning, it took a good 2 weeks for me to get a proper line on a test. Because people can release bursts of hormones at different times it means the normal range is huge. Dont worry about the upper figures just remember that anything over 25 is good, so 300+ is epic!! grin

Oh and re food, I swear I lived on beige crap for weeks as I couldnt stomach anything else. Your body will take what it needs so dont worry. Do keep up the calcium intake though, otherwise your body will take it from your bones. My doc scared the crap out of me telling me that. shock

<Sneaks back out to grab some sleep while short stuff naps. wink >

SidneyBristow Thu 13-Feb-14 09:12:05

Thanks for the welcome and the reassurance thanks I'm really trying hard to be firm with myself and not let my imagination run away with me. I had the hideous thought "easy come, easy go" til I remembered that the last 20 months haven't exactly been easy; I think just having read the heartbreak that other berries have gone through has made me hesitant to feel confident that all of this is real quite yet. I'll feel massively better tomorrow afternoon after hearing the new blood results; I'm already used to the weird womb achiness so am off cramp alert, and have stopped wearing dark knickers in case AF decides to show grin so that's progress, right? and whatever else happens, you're all right, today I'm pregnant and that is something I actually never thought would happen, and so for each day it continues I will be nothing but happy and grateful.

Mushiness aside, what's the verdict on tea...? It's now making me gag. Better now I've had some toast. I suppose it gets worse from here? I think I'm 34 days gone. So in pregnancy lingo, is that roughly 1 month, or is it 1 day shy of 5 weeks? (i have lots of stalking the other copter threads catching up to do!)

Thunderpantsarego Thu 13-Feb-14 09:13:55

Morning lads,

Headache Central here, yowsers. But...35 weeks today- this is almost getting real?!

brod well done on the clench reminder- it's so easy to forget.

That's 4 weeks 6 days Sid. So only another 35 weeks to go grin
Don't beat yourself up for worrying, it won't go after Fri, you will just switch to something else to worry over. It doesn't get much easier I'm afraid.
I never stopped drinking tea, if I remember rightly you're allowed 200mg caffeine a day, so that's a few cups of tea. My tea barely has a tea bag waved at it though, so doubt it even qualifies as tea in the first place.
You need the link to book Thunder found <hint hint> which is the most reasonable explanation of what you should/shouldn't eat and drink, based on actual sensible data rather than a message in a bottle found washed up on a beach by an NHS bod

Thunder those damn headaches of yours... Poor you

Meant to say, stay away from describing it in months, it confused us all! We never got to the bottom of whether months are 4 weeks long and you're pregnant for 10 of them, or if they are 4.something weeks long. We also never officially figured out when the third trimester started I don't think grin

SidneyBristow Thu 13-Feb-14 09:57:47

Oh never fear I won't be giving into any sort of pregnancy scaremongering; thunder's book is on my shortlist to download tomorrow evening after I get blood results! I just didn't explain myself very well - the smell & taste of tea is now making me gag. I gave up caffeine & Coke last month (interesting timing) and would rather not jump back on the Coke bandwagon as I need to be mindful of my weight - gaining too much will affect my intracranial pressure situation and I don't want to do that to myself. What have you all found to drink that isn't nauseating? Or was it just my time to vomit and the tea had nothing to do with it? And why am I paralyzingly tired...not even 10am and I need a nap. I need a cheat sheet on how to be pregnant wink

The tiredness is v bad in the first tri, don't fight it and sleep as much as you can.
I have never been a water drinker but have drank litres and litres of the stuff during pregnancy. IMO during the first tri you will/should eat and drink anything you can keep down that doesn't make you feel ill. If you are going to get some sickness then anything you can keep down is helpful calories even if it is nutritionally lacking grin For some the sickness starts quite quickly and you will need to hug the sofa and groan until it passes

Some smells will make you more ill, I had to ban certain things from the house....

Foodylicious Thu 13-Feb-14 10:40:39

sid I made to switch from full fat coke last year via diet cherry coke, then diet coke and now caffeine free diet coke.
I did however buy a multipack of mini cans of coke (full fat) a couple of months ago and have one as a treat occasionally.
I have been able to drink tea throughout but stopped coffee near the beginning because of the caffeine and was not enjoying restricting myself. I then went off coffee altogether -made one by mistake on auto-pilot at work, had a sip and promptly spat it out in the sink and just about managed not to vom infront of my colleaguesgrin.
merk is right about the tiredness, don't fight it if you can help it, and don't go anywhere without a snack bar, banana or something in your bag. I went through a phase of having boiled sweets almost constantly too.
thunder sad at your headache, thats rubbish, but wow! 35weeksgrin!!!
I missed yoga yesterday kitty so going to give a youtube video a go later. Its not on next week for half-term but I have booked for the next 6 weeks after that.
Off to docs later for physio referral then seeing a friend and her little one (about 2yrs old), looking forward to that.
Can't believe its Thursday already, back to work on Monday sad, have been very lazy and not done much, but its been good!

Tallyra Thu 13-Feb-14 12:55:45

Sid I went off tea big time when I was ill and I still don't like it as much as before - have to put sugar in now when I'd managed to wean off it before. In fact, dairy in general was bad, I couldn't eat yoghurt for ages either. just go with it.

If you start getting really bad and you think you're getting dehydrated then keep in touch with your doctor. a bit of sickness is normal but if it starts affecting you and your lifestyle they should be willing to prescribe drugs. which are safe, don't worry about that!

Foodylicious Thu 13-Feb-14 13:06:14

Just done this yoga vid ladies -

Foodylicious Thu 13-Feb-14 13:06:56

WTF! too relaxed to know what I am doing!


was good for a short one

Foodylicious Thu 13-Feb-14 13:07:20
Angelina77 Thu 13-Feb-14 13:59:25

Welcome Sidney, congratulations smile

I'm nearly 22 weeks now and still nervous, but I had an awul time dealing with anxiety early on so I know how you feel.

I had a rough day yesterday, just can't seem to cope with even mild stress at the moment. Went to see the consultant about my ongoing UTI and on the way to work afterwards my brolly blew inside out and I dropped my notes, scan pics and everything all over the wet path and completely lost it. I spent most of yesterday in tears and feel like shit today too sad

It looks like I've lost out on my NCT place as I didn't pay within the time - can't believe I live in the only city on the country that don't do free ante natal classes.

Sorry about the moan, it's all I ever do on here.

Angel don't worry, moan away. I missed my NCT too due to moving house, and my free class has not been really up to scratch. To compensate we're doing 2 hours one on one with the NCT teacher, would that be an option for you?

Foodylicious Thu 13-Feb-14 14:38:37

angel we have not signed up for NCT but for a different local birth preparation class called Birth Positively. Its £95 for 8 hrs split over 2 Saturday mornings. maybe there is something like this near you? i found ours through the pregnancy yoga I have started going to.

Sorry you feeling so crappy sad
I keep having days at the moment where I feel positive and stronger, only to find myself later irritable and/or in tears, so frustrating confused, and it can be tiniest thing that tips me over the edge.
Yay on nearly 22 weeks, I am 22+4!
Saw my doc today about physio and promethazine and she was lovely, took the time to ask how I was etc as I had seen her near the beginning when I was not coping well at all. Thankfully she caught me on an 'up', but it did remind me really how far we have come smile
Oh and never appologise for moaning on here, much better to get it out!

MotherOfCleo Thu 13-Feb-14 16:56:46

sorry.....me again blush I was talking to a group of girls at my postnatal group and we all agreed that in hindsight the antenatal classes weren't that useful so I wouldn't worry too much. The only bit that was useful for me was the info on pain relief.

So sick of sitting on the stupid exercise ball but Boom you would be proud of me <no sofa lounging here>

Bunnygirlie Thu 13-Feb-14 20:09:16

Nom nom nom just had a big bowl of wheat free pasta with lots of cheese, one of the few things I am loving at the mo!

Thanks all for food advice.

kitty what did I do?!? shock

sid the tiredness that hits at 4/5 weeks is insane! I was paranoid that AF would still turn up even after the BFP. My sickness kicked in middle of last week and only eating crap food and sweets is helping.I'm not far ahead of you, just 7 weeks today according to FC.

thunder sorry for the headaches, feel better soon x what was your book advice again?

Foodylicious Thu 13-Feb-14 20:19:22

Have just ordered this book my sister has been banging on about
French Children don't Throw Food, anyone else heard of it/read it?

jessplussomeonenew Thu 13-Feb-14 20:24:17

Hi Sidney and welcome to the copter - sounds like you're well as launched into the weird world of pregnancy symptoms already. So many things I never knew had anything to do with pregnancy turn out to be entirely normal. Hope it is all starting to make it feel a little more real!

I also went off tea for a while, though back to the occasional cup now (in week 11). I have had phases of drinking vast amounts of milk or fruit juice. I also found popping a slice of lemon into glasses of water made them much easier to get down. Herb teas can be good (mint, camomile etc) though best to check the ingredients online as some aren't recommended.

BlindKitty Thu 13-Feb-14 22:14:59

foody I need to do that vid more often. My coccyx is getting really painful now do hopefully yoga will ease it

bunny we all just got preoccupied with your news! We've got sid to fuss over now!

PoppySeedBun Fri 14-Feb-14 07:54:11

Morning berries - and welcome sid!
Nice to have a shiny new berry grad in here as opposed to us old wrinkled ones smile

Sorry to hear about sickness. I went off dairy completely from about 5 weeks until about 20 weeks (was still throwing up to about week 19, but less and less frequently).
Everyone is different with what turns your stomach, but there is a consensus that carbs are a good one. I ended up relying on almonds, Duchy original oaten biscuits, muesli bars, toast and jacket potatoes. And then some days you can do everything right - get rest, keep snacking, etc - and you still throw up. sad
Just keep taking one day at a time.

Oh, and re: HCG, AFAIK, the absolute amount is much less important than the fact that it keeps going up - the normal range is enormous, and it should be doubling every day(?) so even small variations when the blood is taken will produce massive differences. Today you are pregnant!

sid welcome to the copter old chum! So pleased to have you here, have a cup of herbal brew and get comfy grin

Good work on no sofa lounging merk she says while lounging in bed

Got my first NCT class tomorrow folks so I'll let you know if I think it's worthwhile or not. Ended up having to tell the teacher what I do which annoyed me quite a lot, wanted to keep it quiet but she pressed and pressed. Grr.

brod any word on that scan?

angel 22wks!? When did that happen?? And thunder 35wks...bloody bloody hell. I remember being jealous of your lofty 8weeks to my 3, way back in summer..come a long way eh?

bunny I think it might be time for a bunny list. I've lost track of everything and everyone. Shall I start?

Boom, 30+5, edd 20 April, pair of surprises. Got the pregnancy waddle down to an art.

Angelina77 Fri 14-Feb-14 08:04:22

I'll look into the other class options. It's more for meeting people really. Is it too early to start yoga or something like that?

Thunderpantsarego Fri 14-Feb-14 08:15:08

Morning all,

boom yeah I know- it seems such a long time ago now! but I remember not leaving the thread without taking you with me

I have started my NCT, I find them useful because I really do know nothing about birth and babies. Sometimes I kind of wish they would give more facts and do less 'activities' but it's pretty good really. boom interesting they asked about what you do because we were banned from talking about work there, so no one knows what each other does! It's funny how different different couples are- some of th can't sit in the circle without holding hands whereas DH and I are sniggering and fighting each other trying to get to the biscuit box the quickest. Ahh young love.

angel I think pg yoga can start from 14 weeks?

So in conclusion about food- I reckon just go with what you fancy and avoid what you don't. Succumb to what your body tells you, it's not worth fighting. says the 4am cereal muncher

Thunderpantsarego Fri 14-Feb-14 08:16:26

Boom, 30+5, edd 20 April, pair of surprises. Got the pregnancy waddle down to an art.

Thunder, edd 20 March, team surprise. Finding pregnancy hard work! Looking forward to stopping work.

Boom, 30+5, edd 20 April, pair of surprises. Got the pregnancy waddle down to an art.

Thunder, edd 20 March, team surprise. Finding pregnancy hard work! Looking forward to stopping work.

Merk, 35 weeks, edd 21 March, team pink

Thunderpantsarego Fri 14-Feb-14 08:30:50


Foodylicious Fri 14-Feb-14 09:36:13

In order...

Thunder, edd 20 March, team surprise. Finding pregnancy hard work! Looking forward to stopping work.

Merk, 35 weeks, edd 21 March, team pink

Boom, 30+5, edd 20 April, pair of surprises. Got the pregnancy waddle down to an art.

Foody, 22 weeks, edd 15 June, team secret (only I know!)

Foodylicious Fri 14-Feb-14 09:36:49

Cheers thunder I keep forgetting!

Thunderpantsarego Fri 14-Feb-14 10:16:06

I think baby is heading south. Like a goose?

Ooh really? Exciting!

Brilliant appointment with the chiro this morning followed by a v shitty appointment with the consultant... A complete waste of my time and I can't even be arsed to rant about the details. On top of less than 2 hours sleep last night, means I am v grumpy

Thunderpantsarego Fri 14-Feb-14 10:41:51

Oh no merk, that totally sucks. Guess you don't have any answers? Was this about breathing or big baby?

winohhh Fri 14-Feb-14 10:42:28

Sorry about your lack of sleep merk. I've been struggling since the bfp. Mines anxiety related I reckon.

I've finally cracked and have booked a scan for tomorrow. I've been very anxious over the last few days and can't imagine waiting til next week for my harmony scan. I should be 9w3d tomorrow. I feel sick I'm so nervous, but just want to know now, no more limbo!!

Win the worrying is awful, sure tomorrow's view of baby wriggling around will give you some relief
My app 'twas about breathing. Needless to say they are doing fuck all

Thunderpantsarego Fri 14-Feb-14 12:29:30

Oh merk that is sh*t. You poor thing. To be frank tho, they've let it go on this long it's almost pointless doing anything - 35 weeks for goodness sake. Fingers crossed she comes quickly and easily and it'll all be in the past. Do you still feel she's engaged? What did chiro say?

win good move with the scan- sometimes you just need to put your mind at ease. What time is it tomorrow? We'll be checking in to hear lovely news!

Chiro says not engaged, no way of her getting into my pelvis with the angle its at. Grump

Thunderpantsarego Fri 14-Feb-14 14:45:46

But you can do something to change angle? Did you say you're telling mw all this?

winohhh Fri 14-Feb-14 16:32:08

Very light pink discharge! sad

My scan is in the morning... I have severe scan doom.

SidneyBristow Fri 14-Feb-14 17:37:11

Blood test results in - 653 up from 323 on Weds. grin

winohhh Fri 14-Feb-14 17:58:55

What a relief sid!! Great looking numbers. Congratulations!!

Win pink is ok I think. Hang on in there, less than 24 hours

Sid you have a Sidlet onboard, welcome to the diffed berries club!

Chiro is working on my pelvis. Will refuse induction (as it will either be unsuccessful or will cause baby to drop in the wrong position) and opt for a section if things don't change by 42 weeks

Bunnygirlie Fri 14-Feb-14 18:17:53

Ah kitty I see, you are bored with me now sad wink

merk sorry you are feeling grot flowers

wino ooh another scan, very tempted myself

sid whoop whoop

Old-timers- wink
Thunder, edd 20 March, team surprise. Finding pregnancy hard work! Looking forward to stopping work.
Merk, 35 weeks, edd 21 March, team pink
Boom, 30+5, edd 20 April, pair of surprises. Got the pregnancy waddle down to an art.
Foody, 22 weeks, edd 15 June, team secret (only I know!)

Bunny 7+1

Thunderpantsarego Fri 14-Feb-14 18:26:27

No bunny I think kitty was saying that with the excitement of your arrival we all forgot to do our kegels grin

win hang in there, it's probably nothing, and the scan is soon.

Whoop sid!!! grin

Bunnygirlie Fri 14-Feb-14 18:36:36

thunder CLENCH!!!

Sooooooo would I be a hideous person if I had a teeny weeny glass of fizz tonight? Or should I stick to the shloer?

Foodylicious Fri 14-Feb-14 18:46:34

A tiny glass would be fine I am sure bunny grin

BlindKitty Fri 14-Feb-14 20:12:56

bunny I'd never bore of you grin

wino good idea re scan, I felt loads better after my first. Wouldn't worry too much about the discharge. I had brown discharge for about 10 days. Know this wont stop you worrying until its gone though brew

sid fab news. When is your scan?

Been cuddling my friend's baby for most of the afternoon. Soo ready for my own now!

Thunder, edd 20 March, team surprise. Finding pregnancy hard work! Looking forward to stopping work.
Merk, 35 weeks, edd 21 March, team pink
Boom, 30+5, edd 20 April, pair of surprises. Got the pregnancy waddle down to an art.
Foody, 22 weeks, edd 15 June, team secret (only I know!)
Kitty 26 weeks Edd 22nd may, team pink

Bunny 7+1

Foodylicious Fri 14-Feb-14 20:33:58

Disappointed at the lack of valentines symbol in the smileys!
Hope everyone is having a nice evening. we were going to go out for a meal but emotions, tiredness and an uncomfy tight tummy have won and we have had a yummy take away instead.
Anyone do anything special?

BlindKitty Sat 15-Feb-14 06:00:26

I cooked Dh and I a meal. Made rack of lamb with a garlic and herb crust. Even cooked it medium grrr. Can't wait for rare meat!!!

Well done Kitty... We had pizza on the sofa shock lucky we didn't attempt to go out as I am in severe pain (groin) in most positions and especially if I move.
Ps holding the gold medal for 'the most moaning during pregnancy' is now getting tedious. Happy if somebody else wants to take the crown but appreciate my levels of moaning may be hard to beat winkgrin

PuppyMummy Sat 15-Feb-14 06:54:11

kitty lamb sounds yum!
we never really do anything for valentines, I did get roses and a card tho!

25 weeks today! 15 weeks to go (ish) arrgghh! gettin scary!

off away on tues for half term break, doin some European city hopping! last official jolly until baby comes! smile

win good luck with the scan today xx

kitty mm rack of lamb! I made Jamaican jerk pork which was then too spicy for me to eat. Poor planning...

puppy enjoy the babymoon!

merk poor you. I'd love to join in the moaning but not having it bad all things considered. Although I'm struggling to find bras that don't rub my underboob scars so feeling very sore at the moment sad

Right, off for my first nct class. Actually feeling a bit nervous, hoping the other couples are up to berry standards of loveliness..

PoppySeedBun Sat 15-Feb-14 08:50:37

sid congratulations! Great numbers smile
wino fx for your scan today - what time is it?

Off to first NCT this morning. Hoping DH manages to behave well - he's severely sceptical of fluffy nonsense, so hoping that the teacher is fairly down-to-earth confused

PILs staying with us this weekend. The advance of the pink has already started. She brought a load of lovely clothes, but also pink towels from sister-in-law, and a very frilly cardigan and dress set in baby pink. Hoping. We can get away with using it only on very select occasions...

Adding myself back to the roster (BTW, where is kat? Hope everything is going well)

Thunder, edd 20 March, team surprise. Finding pregnancy hard work! Looking forward to stopping work.
Merk, 35 weeks, edd 21 March, team pink
Boom, 30+5, edd 20 April, pair of surprises. Got the pregnancy waddle down to an art.
Poppy, 30+3, edd 23 Apr, team pink (but no pink clothes!)
Foody, 22 weeks, edd 15 June, team secret (only I know!)
Kitty 26 weeks Edd 22nd may, team pink

Bunny 7+1

PoppySeedBun Sat 15-Feb-14 08:52:49

boom is it possible we'll end up in the same NCT class??
If not, at least we can compare notes after grin

BlindKitty Sat 15-Feb-14 09:20:59

boom I loved spicy food before I was preggers but I'm a wuss now! Enjoy your nct! Hopefully they won't be a load of instadiffers! When I went to yoga on thurs one of the girls told me how she got preg first go....how lovely for her!?!?

poppy very jealous of all this nct action! I even tried to get a programme in advance so I could swot up but they said no haha

merk afraid I still can't take away your crown either but my back is (literally) becoming a right pain in the arse! Think all that bath stuff everyone bought me a Christmas will actually come in useful! shame I took loads back and bought stuff for the baby instead

wino is this your first scan? Or did you have one a few weeks ago? My brain is more like porridge these days!

PuppyMummy Sat 15-Feb-14 10:12:00

could someone pls put me on list

Puppymummy - 25 weeks, due 31st May - team Blue!

BlindKitty Sat 15-Feb-14 10:17:22

Thunder, edd 20 March, team surprise. Finding pregnancy hard work! Looking forward to stopping work.
Merk, 35 weeks, edd 21 March, team pink
Boom, 30+5, edd 20 April, pair of surprises. Got the pregnancy waddle down to an art.
Poppy, 30+3, edd 23 Apr, team pink (but no pink clothes!)
Foody, 22 weeks, edd 15 June, team secret (only I know!)
Kitty 26 weeks Edd 22nd may, team pink
Puppymummy - 25 weeks, due 31st May - team Blue!

Bunny 7+1

Bunnygirlie Sat 15-Feb-14 10:52:27

Morning all!
It's minging rainy and windy here one minute and bright sunshine the next, weird! Might venture out in my wellies later to have a look at the floods.

No exciting V day here, we had a lovely M&S meal but had to choose the chicken as can't eat another well done steak!

I was good and didn't have any fizz, still too scared of booze, pink meat, exercise, runny eggs, DTD, baths etc lol

Oh merk I am so sorry you are suffering, so unfair flowers

puppy a city break sounds lovely, have to wait till May for our holiday, away with the in-laws shock

winohhh Sat 15-Feb-14 11:21:57

Bad news I'm afraid. Scan showed the heart beat had stopped shortly after the 6 week scan. Need to decide between pills, d and c, or waiting. We probably won't wait since my body hasn't done a good job of getting rid of stuff up to now. sad

Thanks for all your support. Xx

Foodylicious Sat 15-Feb-14 11:25:49

I can empathise there bunny
I will admit I have not eaten anything off the 'bad foods' list, have only had 2 lukewarm baths (checked temperature first too!), Did no exercise for months (have now started yoga and been for swim once), have only DTD once successfully since conception and can remember each occasion I have had a little booze (all 4 of them).

Sooo my ideal meal would now consist of 2 starters - pate & asparagus and poached egg with hollandaise sauce, medium rare steak and cheese board to finish grin With a bottle of wine or JD and cokesmile.

In other news we were able to actually see when baby was kicking for the first time last night! grin grin grin

Cant stop eating, have had toast and yoghurt drinks, 2 slices of last nights pizza and about to have grapefruit then coffee cake. Help!!!

Off to a friends this evening who smokes, (she is having a few people round while she shaves her hair off to raise money for her mums wheelchair - had a stroke last year) and I mentioned to OH that I was not sure how I would be if lots of people were smoking. Next thing I know he is telling me she has said she will get people to smoke outside! to feel mortified that he mentioned it and so grateful that he did too. Really don't know if it is reasonable for her to ask people to do this or not?? I don't think I would have mentioned it myself, feel uncomfortable now confused

BlindKitty Sat 15-Feb-14 11:27:36

wino I'm so so sorry. This is terrible news. Please be kind to yourself and you know we're all here if you ever need to talk

Foodylicious Sat 15-Feb-14 11:29:18

Oh win I am so sorry, thats F**** awful

This is such a shit time. Do whatever you need to to get you through this, be good to yourself. Nothing I can say to make it any better, but hugs anyway x x x

BlindKitty Sat 15-Feb-14 11:34:15

foody can you gently have a word with your friend beforehand? If she's not happy to smoke outside I wouldn't go. It's bad enough when my patients have smoked in the room before I've even come round.

bunny well done steak is just murder! Although I have had a few naughty med rare steaks tbf. Although I now have runny eggs, started exercising again and started having hot baths!

Foodylicious Sat 15-Feb-14 11:45:37

kitty my friend has said it is fine for people to smoke outside, its just me that is feeling awkward that its all about me I guess??

Oh and bunny my sister was soooo 'good' through her 1st pg, with her 2nd she had what she liked, not a lot and not to excess, but if she fancied poached eggs or steak she had it cooked how she liked.

Win I'm so sorry. Look after yourselves and please use the berries for support. What shitty news xxx

BlindKitty Sat 15-Feb-14 12:43:26

foody your doing her a favour anyway!! At least her house won't smell like an ashtray tomorrow!

BlindKitty Sat 15-Feb-14 12:43:35


Thunderpantsarego Sat 15-Feb-14 13:22:34

win so sorry to read this, what shitty shitty news. Life can be so unfair. Sending you flowers and brew and cake x x x

jessplussomeonenew Sat 15-Feb-14 13:25:33

So sorry Win, that's such awful news. Hope you are being well looked after both medically and at home.

Tallyra Sat 15-Feb-14 13:57:18

Oh no win, that's terrible. Sending you so much love and hugs. I can tell you that having had 2 mmcs and one that was caught on scan shortly after happening, I went for d and c all 3 times. The thought of waiting or having to take stuff and see what happened was just too much for me. The procedures were very quick once arranged and everyone was lovely. I should warn you however that unless it's being done by the epu you may end up on a maternity type ward for recovery. It was still my choice though. It helped to be able to start thinking of one chapter over and another one about to start.
We are all here for you and many of us know what you are going through. Don't be afraid to pop back and talk if you need to.

Bunnygirlie Sat 15-Feb-14 14:04:00

Oh win your news has made me so sad, sending you lots of love, take care of yourself x

winohhh Sat 15-Feb-14 15:00:12

Thanks guys.

Thanks for sharing your experience tally. Did you have a general anesthetic? I've never had one before and it makes me nervous...

Foodylicious Sat 15-Feb-14 15:12:48

hey win
General anesthetics are ok (had many, but for different reasons). You will feel woozy when you come round afterwards, will have dry mouth so suggest you take some mints to suck on later as this can last a while due to the drugs they give you to stop you being sick.
Anesthetists are generally lovely and will help you relax as much as they can. The going to sleep bit really is as quick as you see on the telly, first they usually pop a blood pressure cuff on one of your arms to monitor while you are 'under' and a cannula in the back of one of your hands for the anesthetic.
Totally understandable that you are nervous x x

Thunderpantsarego Sat 15-Feb-14 15:22:45

win I had an erpc under GA and it honestly was absolutely fine, I was really nervous but like the others said, it was over very quickly. With me they gave me a premed which felt like being drunk and then it felt like a minute later I was waking up, felt like is just been asleep. Everyone was really lovely, but i think it's important to make sure you have time off after to rest and recover- both emotionally and physically. The dr had given me a 2 week note and I never thought I'd use it all but I did in the end. More emotionally- just needed some quiet sofa time and lots of treats x x

Tallyra Sat 15-Feb-14 16:23:12

Hi win, yes it was GA each time. It's absolutely fine - as thunder says, it's really very quick - they ask you to count to ten or ask a question and you only get halfway through what you are saying before you wake up in recovery with a nice nurse sitting by you. I also had it for my hysteroscopy so that's 4 times in 4 years and not had a problem with it. Just give yourself time to recover afterwards, there will be bleeding for up to a few weeks but only cramps for a day or two.

win so sorry to hear your news. It's truly shitty. Hope you have plenty of RL support, as someone said lots of us have experienced a loss so do stay if you need online support as well. It takes a long time but does get better. Thinking of you xxx

MotherOfCleo Sat 15-Feb-14 16:55:33

so so sorry win sad thinking of you at this shitty time! thanks

PoppySeedBun Sat 15-Feb-14 17:10:13

win I'm so sorry to hear that - rubbish news sad
Very similar to my experience in April - stopped at 6 weeks after a scan, caught at 9 weeks after some bleeding. I had ERPC, and I think I remember it not being GA, but sedation instead - though I could be misremembering. Experience the same anyway - counting down, then waking up. Like tally, I found it helpful in moving on to have it done and be able to think about moving on. Definitely give yourself some time at home to recover. I had hardly any bleeding and cramps after, but still needed time to get my head adjusted before going back to work.
Sending you lots of hugs and flowers.

PuppyMummy Sat 15-Feb-14 17:16:14

really sorry to hear this sad news win

SidneyBristow Sat 15-Feb-14 17:46:59

win I just saw your post; I'm so very sorry this has happened thanks. I've no experience with a d&c but I have had GA several times and never had any problems. The anxiety beforehand is the worst part, but perhaps they offer a mild sedative here (I'm newish to the NHS) which would help. I am just so sorry this has happened. Sending you big hugs thanks

Brodicea Sat 15-Feb-14 17:55:36

Hey all, I've been off the radar for a few days so just catching up. win I'm so sorry to hear your news. thanks I've had GA for a minor operation and it was OK - I tried to eat too soon afterwards and was sick. foody gives good advice there. Take it easy on yourself too, as others say - my friend had the exact same scenario and really beat herself up for feeling down and out of sorts (she has a DH who was a bit clinical about the whole thing and didn't really show any emotion about it - he's a doctor and I gather a bit desensitised) but take all the time you need to recuperate. xxxxx

I had my extra scan yesterday morning for the 'measuring large' issue and am very grateful to say everything was fine with the baby and fluid levels - she's just within the large end of the normal range. I feel very humbled to be able to say so.

winohhh Sat 15-Feb-14 23:39:51

Thanks everyone. I really appreciate your comments. It helps a lot. I wish you all happy and healthy pregnancies (and beyond!) hopefully I'll join you again soon. Xx

Thunderpantsarego Sun 16-Feb-14 14:01:13

You take care win, and yes you'll be back soon. I think lots of us still keep an eye on berry HQ so we'll be looking out for you if you're over there for a bit.

brod brilliant scan news for you! I know what you mean about feeling lucky and humble to be there x x

Thunderpantsarego Sun 16-Feb-14 16:20:26

Very quiet here at the moment. As for me, I am thundermoanalot today. I ache! Lower back, legs, hips...can hardly walk. Mooaaaaannnnnnnn

Foodylicious Sun 16-Feb-14 16:28:06

Oh, thunder! thats pants! just about to make a hot chocolate with cream and marshmallows, would you like one?

Lazy(ish) day here today. Last day of holiday before I go back to work tomorrow. OH went back to bed about 12.00 and is still there. I have had an hour exercise walking slowly round the supermarket.
Just laundry to finish for work clothes for tomorrow and have a think about tea. was going to cook properly but don't think Ill bother if OH is still in bed much longer!
Been an emotional few days/week for mostly hormonal reasons I think confused

Foodylicious Sun 16-Feb-14 16:31:43

kitty last night was fine -her flat does smell like an ashtray but she smoked outside all evening.
Despite that I stripped in the living room when we got back as my clothes stank!
Annoyed at having to wash my coat again, only washed it last week!
was ace to see her though, being very brave (and rather drunk) and having all her hair shaved off, she has raised around £1500 towards the cost of her mums electric wheelchair grin

PoppySeedBun Sun 16-Feb-14 16:49:19

Quiet evening here too. MIL and FIL have gone back home after staying the weekend. NCT went pretty well - everyone seemed nice enough.
I'm currently immobile on the sofa grin
Trying to convince myself that the fact that the little one has been particularly active today counts as some sort of exercise and justifies the ice cream I just ate hmm

PuppyMummy Sun 16-Feb-14 17:26:32

we hav cleared out the spare room that will be the nursery!

it was my 'dressing' room for work cos I get up before oh so we had to clear the wardrobe and drawers in the other spare room, find new homes for stuff and then relocate all my clothes!
just had a nap after my hard work! grin

Thunderpantsarego Sun 16-Feb-14 17:27:09

Yes please foody!

Tallyra Sun 16-Feb-14 18:00:13

Another one here just had a nap. We took the neighbours' kids out to the woods this morning. They had a nap in the car on the way back and I thought that was a great idea so I went to bed at 3. Only got up at 5.15 shock oops. We have nothing out for dinner and oh is on the xbox so I'm not quite sure what to do. Just found out my oldest friend is in town for the night and hoping she invites me to dinner but I doubt it as I'm sure she has something organised already.

Thunderpantsarego Sun 16-Feb-14 18:35:10

Can you not invite her, tally?

SidneyBristow Sun 16-Feb-14 19:17:17

I'd have had a nap if I could've managed it! SKs have been here this weekend so nonstop activity of one kind or another. Felt lousy yesterday but surprisingly good today, although nausea struck while we were out in public hmm what to do in that case? I'd be mortified to throw up in front of anyone least of all strangers!

Thunderpantsarego Sun 16-Feb-14 19:19:55

Fraid you might have to let that go, sid, I had to jump out of the car in Christmas Day to puke on my feet by the side of the road. And that was at almost 28 weeks, when you're supposed to be feeling great.


Bunnygirlie Sun 16-Feb-14 19:30:57

brod great scan news!

Poor thundermoan hope you are less achey now.

Had a chillaxing weekend but also done a bit of walking to see the flooding round here so now shattered, I dared to have a bath which was lovely. Not as deep and hot as usual but sooooo nice as haven't had one since new year and I'm usually a bath at least once a week kind of girl.

Still feeling crap but shouldn't complain as I know how lucky I am.

BlindKitty Sun 16-Feb-14 19:38:04

foody I have to have fabreeze in my car for work! I'm going to make a point of advising all my patients not to smoke an hour before I go round. It's bizarre to think I used to smoke now, even if it was just as a social smoker. Omg I can't believe your friend had her hair shaved off! That's amazing!

poppy what did you learn in your nct class? Want to get prepared!

tally takeaway?

thunder brew moan away, the rest of us prob aren't too far behind you!

Holding off napping here but only because it's a bugger getting to sleep on a Sunday if you do

Tallyra Sun 16-Feb-14 20:17:53

well I suddenly had a craving for macaroni cheese so I made some. my friend is en route to Germany with her dh and 2 kids. I sent her a message saying we were around but she declined sad

Foodylicious Sun 16-Feb-14 20:37:15

sad at not seeing your friend tally
smile at macaroni cheese, just that for tea too, mmm yummy.

Thunderpantsarego Sun 16-Feb-14 20:44:19

Boob juice??!! It's made it's way through 2 layers of tops. This is weird.....


jessplussomeonenew Sun 16-Feb-14 21:03:37

Sid, I'm afraid vomiting in public is a definite possibility if you have that sort of MS. I try to tell myself that it's such a giveaway sign of pregnancy that any observers will understand - haven't had any comments anyway! It hasn't happened often but it relaxes me to feel prepared. I'd recommend carrying some watertight bags with you - airplane ones are great if you can get some, otherwise try nappybags or sandwich bags. Then wipes/tissues and water for afterwards.

Tallyra Sun 16-Feb-14 21:10:53

oh dear thunder. looks like you might have to start wearing pads!

Good luck sid. I agree with jess, ziploc bags are good, as is an old Tupperware bowl, although that was mostly for the extra saliva that comes if sickness gets too bad. I don't want to scare you, just prepare you xxxxxxx

Thunderpantsarego Sun 16-Feb-14 21:24:05

Woah, really tally? I guess you're right. Will I need them on me all the time now- really don't want these little nip marks showing at work!

Also sid it might just be nausea. I had horrible nausea (and generally feeling crap) much more than actually being sick. Don't panic!

BlindKitty Sun 16-Feb-14 21:30:08

thunder boob juice?!?! Eek! I'm already on nipple watch every time we have sex now ever since someone mentioned it last week, maybe puppy?

I've never made mac cheese before. I fear I'd put far too much cheese and cream in it!!

Thunderpantsarego Sun 16-Feb-14 21:31:24

Is extra boob juice linked to sex, kitty? not that it applies to me these days

BlindKitty Sun 16-Feb-14 22:17:55

No but he won't come within a mile of me haha!

Thunderpantsarego Sun 16-Feb-14 22:29:52

Ohhhh I see! Yeah I think I already crossed that line too...

Thunderpantsarego Mon 17-Feb-14 08:03:28

Ps <she says, yet again addressing an empty copter>

I figured out the months thing. I reckon you literally go by calendar months. So I'm due on the 20th March? That means I'm 8 months on the 20th feb. Simples smile

PuppyMummy Mon 17-Feb-14 08:10:15

it was me with the leaky boobs!!

and one of my baby books says boob juice can be linked with with sex!!! grin aparently orgasm can create leaking (something to do with the hormones released!) shock

That wasn't what happened to me btw! I was just minding my own business when I noticed the leaking!!

Ahem <goes into lecture mode> the milk let-down reflex is caused by oxytocin, which is also the 'hormone of love' which is released by a good bonk sex. So yes, shagging can make you spray milk everywhere grin incidentally, oxytocin is also what causes contractions in labour, which is why nipple stimulation or shagging can help get it going (shagging also because the prostaglandins in semen can help ripen the cervix). Did you know men are hard-wired to have an erotic response to heavily pregnant women (according to some boffins, can't remember who but they made them look at photos and measured brainwaves or something)...

Mine both leak sometimes (not during bonking so far!) although right boob is far leakier than left!

Please can I have a little cry? Just slipped over on those damn stupid slippy yellow bobbles on the pavement at crossings. Slammed into the ground with both knees and a hip, landed on my shopping bag and broke my eggs and yoghurt and squashed my grapes (no nice brekkie for me!) Some very nice people stopped their car to see if I was ok but I was too busy trying to stand up again and not cry to talk to them. Now home again but feeling very fragile and with two stonking bruised knees!

Babies not moving currently, normal for them but trying to poke them into action for some reassurance. Logically I know they're fine but have given myself a fright sad

Boom poor you. Have a good cry, its the shock. Babies won't even have noticed, they'll be fast asleep. Put your feet up and have a hot chocolate or something yummy x

Brodicea Mon 17-Feb-14 11:57:08

Oh no boom that's rubbish sad have a relax and try not to do too much for a bit - I like to wallow my way out of sadness. Watch something funny on TV and as merk says, a yummy beverage.

Thunderpantsarego Mon 17-Feb-14 12:11:51

Oh poor boom that's rubbish. Never need permission for a good cry! Hope you're tucked up now and babies will give you a wiggle soon to reassure you x

PoppySeedBun Mon 17-Feb-14 12:31:54

sid Agree with others on nausea in public - I felt bad a lot more often than I was actually sick. That said, I found it reassuring to always carry a ziplock/freezer bag with a couple of sheets of kitchen roll, and a bottle of water. Always happened to me on tube/train platforms somehow.

boom poor you! Never fun to fall over in the street (did it once leaving work, right in front of a pub, literally fell over my own feet hmm). You never lose that feeling of shock and tears, do you? Be extra nice to yourself and the boom babies today. flowers

Whoever it was that asked about NCT: wasn't a lot of content I didn't already know, but some questions that we hadn't considered before, such as who is your backup birth partner if OH is ill/ can't get there? And talked about what creates a relaxing environment for birth, given that relaxed = more oxytocin - and see boom's post for that.

Sid I carried nappy bags, tissues and water everywhere. I too was mortified at the idea of being sick in public, but if/when it comes to it you really won't care. The one time I was caught out without nappy bags etc (lesson learnt/never again) I had a complete panic about where to be sick (somebody's bin? A drain cover? etc) and ended up sprinting home a la Usain Bolt and puking on my hall floor. However as has been said, you may find you just have the nausea and are never actually sick. It took me a long time to adjust to feeling so close to being sick all of the time, I had to 'relearn' the signals I was going to actually be sick as I felt so close to being sick pretty much all the time and it was difficult to tell the difference.
Painting nursery today, we are not doing anything spectacular but I have ordered a (pink) chair to go in there and its just arrived and I am v pleased with it. Also have the midwife this afternoon (36 week check a few days early) but am not expecting anything more than 5 mins based on previous experience.

Thank you everyone for the sympathy grin am now in the bath after a nice cup of decaf mocha. Think I might have sprained my foot slightly as it's now quite sore to put it down flat but hopefully a bit of rest will sort it out. Knees are purple!

poppy I think I felt similarly to you at nct, was expecting to know most of it so no surprises there but thought it was useful to get Mr Boom thinking (given who he's married to, he genuinely thinks birth happens like it does on a Coronation Street Xmas special..) I liked all the couples at ours although realistically can only see myself becoming friends with one girl because I'm picky as hell

Actually, it got me thinking that I'd be a damn sight better at delivering the class than the teacher modest and maybe I should think about setting up an independent antenatal/postnatal group as a money spinner!

Do it Boom!
I am amazed by friends who seem genuinely naive/lacking in info to me Eg a friend who has a child who tried to shock me by telling me about what they will do if I go overdue... A SWEEP shock she seemed baffled that I knew what it was and wasn't that faxed by the idea

jessplussomeonenew Mon 17-Feb-14 17:04:27

Merkin, you're spot on about changing sensitivity to nausea - I have had some near misses lately just because I don't start sticking near the bathroom at the first sign of nausea - realised it mostly would be ok and I'd never get anything done otherwise.

Hope your symptoms are mild and manageable Sid!

Merk I've actually spent most of the day fantasizing about my incredibly successful antenatal education business and eating selfpity food ..once I'm on mat leave I might think about it more seriously!

Brodicea Mon 17-Feb-14 17:24:44

Sounds exciting boom - chatting with us lot has probably given you good practice in the myriad concerns of a group of parents to be!

merk my SIL is the same, she was really 'put out' in her words that we already knew about a lot of the theory of birth and babies (i.e., she was astonished that we'd heard of nipple confusion and baby-led weaning). She was like 'where did you learn all this??' (I think she wanted, in a kind if slightly patronising way, to teach us the mysteries of babies). I didn't tell her it was mainly from mums net! TBF though she had a premature baby and i think had been putting off the learning until the last month or so of pregnancy, and she was an istadiffer whereas I have been googling and reading for years.

Brodicea Mon 17-Feb-14 17:25:19

I am sure though when the time comes I will be calling her for help so I'll try not to sound so smug!

BlindKitty Mon 17-Feb-14 19:04:34

puppy thunder ooh didn't realise sex could set it off! You too must be getting loads of nooky wink

boom I am ok to be shagging aren't I? I'm panicking that I'm going to go into early labour --all because I can't keep my knickers on--"

Poor you! Wouldn't worry re babies not moving. Good idea from merk re hot choc, my little kitten usually wakes up when I have a hot drink

brod merk yup we know far too much for our own good! Hopefully we'll know how to get a baby to stop crying in 2 mins and get them to sleep for longer than an hour which of course I won't

poppy it was me asking about nct. Hadn't even occurred to me that Dh might be unavailable!

Ok, I blame all of you guys for making me look this up and now I'm confuddled. Can someone who's done some research talk to me about reuseable nappies..I'm totally stumped. Tally?

Bunnygirlie Mon 17-Feb-14 20:46:00

Evening all!

Can I just take one second to say eeeek boob juice shock

All this talk of bonkage is making me nauseous lol, I can't even think about DH coming near me at the mo.

boom feel better soon you poor thing! flowers

To save reading back can you let me know again what pregnancy books are good pretty please?

The constant stress is a nightmare, I had smoked salmon for lunch and then spent all afternoon wondering if it was ok lol

BlindKitty Mon 17-Feb-14 21:00:21

bunny it freaks me out too! Suppose I better buy some breast pads just in case though

Re pregnancy books, I faffed about which I've to buy and read the first few chapters and haven't looked at it since! I will dig it out now though!

Oh and I have a very faint linea nigra!

Bunnygirlie Mon 17-Feb-14 21:10:48

See that's why I need a book, what is that?!?!?

Tallyra Mon 17-Feb-14 21:25:32

Sorry boom, it's dh that did all the research. We haven't come up with a decision yet either.

Foodylicious Mon 17-Feb-14 21:35:33

There are nappy libraries you can go to boom to have a look at different ones. I just googled real napies and there are a few websites that give alot of info about the different types. Don't think I will know till I see them for myself.

PoppySeedBun Mon 17-Feb-14 21:43:30

bunny my fave book is 'Expecting Better' by Emily Ostrom - deals with all the dos and don'ts of pregnancy with some actual research.

We also got given Miriam Stoppard's guide for new parents by friends, and it's good too, though more info on birth and afterwards than pregnancy.

And I got a Kindle version of 'What to expect' very early on, which I found fairly useful as a reference for some stuff, especially in the early stages when we weren't telling anyone.

BlindKitty Tue 18-Feb-14 06:42:59

bunny the book didn't tell me anything I didn't already know tbh. Most info I've acquired is from here!

A linea nigra is a line that appears down your tummy in pregnancy.

jessplussomeonenew Tue 18-Feb-14 08:13:18

Boom, what do you want to know about reusables? I have changed pocket-type reusables on friends' kids (no problem) and am planning to use them, but haven't gone into detail on brands yet. Think it depends on the shape of your baby which sort fits best so I don't know how anyone knows what to get in advance! I will probably use non-reusables for the meconium stage as that sounds like a pain to wash out and it makes the very first changes easier!

I have another friend who advises people on real nappies, explaining different types and demonstrating how to use them, so am planning to pick her brains - however there is a network of people who do this so that could be a good way to find out more. The goreal.org.uk website is really great at explaining the different types (with costs etc) and helping you find local advice.

Thanks jess that's useful. Had a look at that site, still sitting here dumbfounded at how it can cost £300-750 initial outlay for ONE BABY. I guess you could get second hand ones? Agree with disposables for the mec stage though, ugh the thought of trying to rinse that out!

jessplussomeonenew Tue 18-Feb-14 10:08:53

The birth to potty ones seem a lot cheaper than buying different sizes; can be in the £200 range which sounds rather better! I am definitely thinking about second hand which seems much cheaper. Generally I plan to go for second hand stuff as it seems so much more sensible for babies who go through things so quickly - seems no real reason to do differently with nappies!

Sid just saw your msg on the other thread. Please feel free to use this thread as an outlet for the worrying/stressing. I think we all focused so long and hard on getting the bfp that we were all a little shaken by the unexpected stresses and worries that came with getting it! So those 'is this normal?' questions that go through your head (and the feeling that AF is going to arrive any second) are something we have all been through. While we are talking about nappies and stuff we are still here to support the newbies (its not long since we were where you and bunny are now)

jessplussomeonenew Tue 18-Feb-14 14:51:13

Am currently trying to think about anything (including nappies!) but my 12 wk scan tomorrow - currently paranoid that there will be nothing there as it still doesn't seem real! I mean, me, pregnant? How can that be possible?

SidneyBristow Tue 18-Feb-14 15:38:02

jess that's exactly how I feel...I spent so long preoccupied with TTC that towards the end I truly felt like it would never happen, and so now, having to reset my new "normal" is proving a little difficult. I've been in a horrendous mood since late last week, mostly due to SKs being fairly difficult, and the symptoms I had so strongly before my +ve test have all calmed down and left me wondering if they were all in my head.

Right now I'm getting AF-style cramps and am terrified that tonight we'll Skype my family to tell them the news, and tomorrow it'll all be over sad I've said it before but TTC turned me into a pessimist/worst-case scenario type person and it's hard to actually believe that this is real and has every chance of going the distance.

Thanks again merk for the reassurance; it helps, a lot. I'm sure in the next few days especially if morning sickness makes a regular appearance I'll start to feel a little more settled, if not secure. It'll take me a while to get up to speed on other Berry pregnancies but I promise, I will, and will be happy to offer any support and encouragement I can, and get a few pointers of my own along the way thanks

jessplussomeonenew Tue 18-Feb-14 15:55:54

Sid, if you think about it it's not surprising - think how long we spent failing to conceive month after month and compare that to the fraction of that time which has gone by since your bfp! It's a big change of self image from "I'm infertile" to "I'm pregnant" and while it's joyful and real it does take a bit of time to adjust. 8 weeks since my bfp I am much more used to the idea but still have wobbles of disbelief, like today. Add to that the "not daring to hope" that tends to go with IF and it's no surprise we struggle to believe it when our ttc dreams come true.

The thing that helped me most was deciding just to enjoy being further along my ttc journey than I had been before - whatever happened, I was a step closer than before that bfp. And having got that bfp, despite all the risks the most likely outcome is still a healthy baby! I don't think there will ever be a point when we stop worrying about something, even when our babies have grown up! So be gentle with yourself and don't forget to take joy.

Sid it's not an easy transition to make, we all spent so long waiting for that BFP to transform our lives and assumed that getting pg would mean nothing but rainbows and butterflies - yes, it's wonderful when it happens, but it's almost disappointing to realise that suddenly you're not worrying about something not going right any more, you're worrying about something going wrong. Which I think is harder to take somehow!

Right now I'm the size of a whale and get booted by my passengers on a regular basis, but I still have wobbles every day in case something goes wrong doesn't help when I throw myself headfirst at the pavement on a regular basis. That said, it will get better and positive feelings will outweigh the negative. Try not to rely on morning sickness and other symptoms though - I had very little of anything and turned out there were two on board!

And I promise not to talk about nappies for a while grin

How's everyone else getting along? Any more scans coming up?
I've spent today with a friend helping her plan her wedding, lovely to have an entire day away from baby stuff! Just home and looking forward to putting my feet up...

Foodylicious Tue 18-Feb-14 18:57:32

Hey merk getting along ok. Sleeping is worse, was just being awake/asleep/awake/asleep about 15-30 times a night, but now I can't seem to get to sleep much before midnight and still waking up all the time. proper awake today by 5.30 (was fine I went to 24hr asda on way to work) and was ready for a sleep by 08.00.
I no there is no solution or easy answer.
I have always been a rubbish sleeper (not slept through a night since my teens) but i had finally 'learned' to sleep in the same bed as someone else (even if it is with ear plugs). now he has been sleeping in the spare room for over 4 months and I STILL have to wear ear plugs or can't sleep at all!!!
Sorry merk you did ask!
On a positive note though I did not take promethazine last night and apart from a few nauseous moments I have yet to vom grin
had our friend round last night to look at some plastering we need doing in the spare room and have started planning!!! eek!!!

Sooo tired and ready for the weekend already. Off out for tapas as one of the girls left work today but really want to go to bed. Mmmm tapas though smile

BlindKitty Tue 18-Feb-14 20:26:25

sid you, bunny and jess have come at a funny time. I'm afraid the copter has turned into the grads thread! I think we've forgotten the purpose of the copter in the first place! Maybe we need a copter to the copter?! We've all been there. I've not long stopped