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Hyperemesis Support

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LucindaE Fri 31-Jan-14 13:58:10

I hope everyone suffering from the Horrors of Hyperemesis will find this thread useful as a source of support and information.

There's no TMI on here - can't be by definition - and nobody should feel ashamed of moaning as much as they feel the need to.

MOH's wonderful website is full of useful information on this illness:
https://sites.google.com/site/pregnancysicknesssos/
Another invaluable website is:
www.pregnancysicknesssupport.org.uk/
If you need help in obtaining medication, this phone number is
brilliant:
024 7638 2020

I would like to thank Everyone who has given such invaluable support and advice on this and on previous threads.

Remember when you are at your worst, 'This Too Shall Pass'. It really will.
So many women on this thread have thought they couldn't get through this, but they did.

LucindaE Fri 31-Jan-14 14:15:37

Chaffinch You won't believe this, but this very morning, not having seen your message, I was doing some research of rabies being endemic in UK wildlife prior to controls...Talk about improbable co-incidences or to a grand term, 'synchroniciy'!

Due Dates
Jen 15 February (nearly a Valentine's Day present)
Chaffinch 25 March
Meerka 30 April
PunkStar 8 June
SliceofLime 2 August
IWorry 8 August
What 14 August.*

Sorry, New did you give a date? I'll check back...
xx

jenpatnim Fri 31-Jan-14 14:43:40

Hi all, just here to mark the place.... feeling a bit miserable today.

petitlapin1 Fri 31-Jan-14 15:13:05

Long time reader, first time poster. Can I join the puke club?

24 weeks with our first after an early loss in June last year. 2 admissions for fluids so far, one at 16 weeks, the other a few days ago. Admissions seem to be triggered by infections- uti first time round, dental infection this time. Loving my ketostix! (Although does anyone else find they have to fight to be believed when they ring up and say they've got 4+ ketones? "How do you know? Who gave you the ketostix? Why are you testing? Are you a midwife?!")

After a bit of trial and error metoclopramide seems to work for me, when it'll stay down. Has anyone brought it back up to find out it's blue?! (White tablet+neon bile = bright blue vomit!) Still have the nausea and wretching but minimal vomiting unless i'm tired or up before noon.

Not been at work for nearly 2 months now, but still too poorly to contemplate 13 hour shifts in a physically and mentally demanding job.

Thought i'd join up now i'm coming to terms that it might not miraculously resolve for me before 12 weeks 14 weeks 16, 18, 20, 24 weeks birth.

Looking forward to sharing the next few months with people who won't suggest ginger biscuits or travel bands and who will offer humour and sympathy when i've had a particularly horrific episode (the shower with the water sickness and the lack of pelvic floor muscles, or the sneeze-bile-vomit in asda etc).

livingzuid Fri 31-Jan-14 15:49:14

'waves' lucinda can you add my due date to the list? 6 June <clapping excitedly in her head at the thought of having her body back!>

petit sorry you are here but it is a lovely supportive thread smile I just stopped work at 16 weeks. Fortunately my contact ended and I'm not exactly forcing myself to look too hard for work! It's lovely being at home and able to rest. Don't feel bad about it hg really takes it out of you.

chaffinch clasps is genius. I am so far removed from an earth mother type goddess thing who seem to be able to bind their babies up and trot off happily. Going to look for some now.

I missed a post from dizzy on the last thread, hope you are doing better.

Psychiatrist explained to me today that lithium levels were on the increase and that I am one of those that does better with a lower dose. They are keeping it the same for now thank god. But my dosage will be massively increased for the first month after pg. Sigh. Have a barrage of blood tests to do now. The reassuring thing is to feel the baby kicking away. She's active today!

Back to my reclining position on the sofa...

livingzuid Fri 31-Jan-14 15:52:21

jen I cross posted, just the usual misery? sad

SliceOfLime Fri 31-Jan-14 16:25:13

Hi petitlapin sorry to hear you've had such a miserable time, this thread is a godsend for sympathy and actual help. I think we should have a sign made up to hang round our necks that says "offer me a ginger biscuit and I will throw up on you" grin

living yes I am super cool in my pyjamas smile I wish I could achieve pregnancy glamour... I suspect I will never manage that! Was it you wondering about slings? I have a BabaSling I got secondhand when DD was tiny but never got on with it, it's in exllent condition, I would happily pass it on to you if you like? I've no idea where it is at the moment but when our builders have finished and it's finally safe to move back in I will dig it out.

jenpatnim Fri 31-Jan-14 16:52:21

Living, not so much, no. There has been a hint of nausea today but not too bad. But I was up half the night with serious acid in my throat, plus trapped wind and backache, so I feel worn out and down today. It is the first time in a good while that I have been properly hit with low mood and I just feel generally crappy. I have mooched around the house all day, not really eating, starting to do things then wandering off half way through to do something else.... I kept thinking I would go back to bed but then didn't quite make it upstairs.

Plus I have this strong feeling of pressure all over, it is very strange. All I can hope is that the baby wants to come sooner rather than later... I am looking forward to getting back on my antidepressants and feeling more normal.

BlingBubbles Fri 31-Jan-14 16:57:14

Hi ladies,

I had terrible Hyperemisis when pregnant with my DD who is now 2.6years old, DH and I are now talking about trying for a second but the thought of being that sick again and this time having a toddler is putting us both off.

I honestly feel for all of you and wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy!!

StarsInTheNightSky Fri 31-Jan-14 17:12:12

Hi all, how is everyone feeling today?

newly and petit welcome to the club smile
petit I'm on metaclopramide at the moment, and yes I have witnessed The Azure Horror as my DH calls it, he thinks it's like something from a 1950s horror film! I've been signed off work until I start maternity leave at 36 weeks, as everyone says, don't feel bad, HG is hideous.

Chaffinch as sliceoflime said, it does make it sound like something cool and trendy, the crazy squirrel made me laugh too grin

sliceoflime pjs sounds great, I have some maternity jeans from JoJo and they are amazingly comfy. I'm just managing in big size Sainsburys PJs at the minute, but the fit is getting pretty awkward around the bump now.

dizzy hopefully the medicine will start helping soon. I get pretty anxious from time to time, as you say spending so much time alone doesn't help, and I find that having gone from being busy and working full time, to having spending most days in bed or on the sofa it's difficult to adjust. Also, being under a lot of medical supervision I think is difficult, and you've had a tough time of it lately, so perhaps that could be contributing too?

jen are you ok? <offers ginger biscuit so that it can be ritualistically stamped on and ground into a pulp>

living and Punk your due dates are really close to mine, I'm 1st June grin
living great news about your little girl having an active day, I love feeling the movements, sorry to hear about the blood tests and increased dosage for the 1st month after she's born, but if it helps then it's all good I guess.

lucinda as others have said, thank you for this thread and for your support, I know I'd really be struggling otherwise. flowers Also, I haven't been on to reply to you, but yes thanks, consultant has referred me to the cardiologist to see if I can be put on steroids instead of metaclopramide, and the meta just doesn't seem to be working. Well, some days I think it's working, and then it seems to be useless again. I know nothing is going to be a miracle cure, but if it could just be a bit more under control that would be great. Not sure what cardiologist will say though as I have heart problems, hence the reluctance to put me on steroids so far, still fingers crossed!

I've been having another day on the sofa, and feeling miffed at our hospital, they've helpfully booked me five appointments in two weeks time, all on different but consecutive days! Grrrr, I'm going to phone and change them, I don't want to be up there five days on the trot!
Still, hopefully that will get things sorted as will be seeing the cardiologist about hopefully going onto steroids instead of metaclopramide for the HG, seeing the consultant anaesthetist for her to decide for definite whether I should have a planned c-section or can try for a vaginal birth (I'm keeping everything crossed that I can have a waterbirth grin) seeing the orthopedic consultant and neurologist to see what my spine/pelvis/spinal chord are doing (to help anaesthetist decide whether c-section or not). Then last of all seeing our obstetric consultant for a routine check up and for him to discuss what's been decided with me. hmm

StarsInTheNightSky Fri 31-Jan-14 17:16:44

jen sorry, crossed post due to my slow typing! Fingers crossed it means baby's getting ready to appear, my SIL felt very crappy and depressed for about five days before her baby arrived and she kept saying she had a feeling of pressure, with none of the other more traditional signs of labour, so perhaps it is a sign? smile Sorry you're feeling so rubbish though.

Newlywed2013 Fri 31-Jan-14 17:26:09

Marking my spot!

livingzuid Fri 31-Jan-14 17:46:59

lime I'll PM you smile

stars that is so annoying. I find it really tiring to get to appointments plus if you're trying not to vom it makes it even worse! Blood tests I can live with I just hate needles and sometimes they take so much I feel like a pincushion! Still all worth it so long as the baby is ok!

Jen fingers crossed that the baby puts in an early appearance how wonderful would that be to have a couple of weeks early freedom from HG! I get so uncomfortable in the evenings. Bloated, really uncomfy lower back, my legs are what I can only describe as 'floopy' and super fidgety but then with the discomfort I can't move comfortably. Pregnancy meh.

I now have a horrible, disgusting taste in my mouth. I am eating anything I can to try and make it go away but NOTHING works sad gaaaa it's awful!

Meerka Fri 31-Jan-14 18:42:27

waddles in glumly holding the sickbucket very start of the 3rd trim and it's getting nastier again .... oh god, can't we fast forward time?

hi newlywed

glad you got more meds dizzy and yes depression is very normal. take a healthy woman and turn her into a miserable puking shadow of herself unable to go out and dealing with shitty medicos ... depression bloody predictable really. Do really hope the scan is ok. don't worry about the movement though - I've forgotten is it your first? took me til week 22 with first, around week 19 with this baby

I knew squirrels were deadly ...

ChaffinchOfDoom Fri 31-Jan-14 18:46:09

dizzy sorry to hear you're feeling anxious
it does sound as though everything is ticking along nicely, some people just don't feel movements till 20++ weeks, it depends a lot about where the placenta is, and where the uterous is floating about to, I think.

yes Loopy Lou rabies syncronicity very strange grin

well I for one am rocking the pregnancy glamour. to match my green tinged face Ive purchased a pair of men's cheap tracksuit bottoms from asda as warm slouching gear. they are a large <already tight yikes> £6. I know how to treat myself.

ChaffinchOfDoom Fri 31-Jan-14 18:49:22

x-post a bit there Meerka

agree the depression thingie, hyperem is a depressive condition, it is bloody hard, wearing and exhausting. is there anyone in RL you can see for a hot water and lemon Dizzy ? / flat lucozade / ice lolly grin

we must be the world's most dreaded visitors
If I go to my mum's I'm like 'What time's dinner? exactly?'

Iworrymyselftosleep Fri 31-Jan-14 19:33:46

dizzy I spent much of my first pregnancy alone in a cold flat (heating made me vomit) while DP was at work. He'd come home each night, after being made to eat elsewhere (takeaway on the car often) and then I would sleep upright on the sofa on my own due to insomnia /vomiting / heartburn. I have never felt so lonely and alone. Hg is a depressive condition and when it's been bad this time, I sat and cried - it seems to be easier to handle if I don't tell myself that I shouldn't be sad; of course I'm bloody crying, I've vomited so hard my nose is bleeding. It doesn't mean you don't want the baby, you just don't want the sickness.

Hello to the other names I don't recognise <waves> petit and stars I think but daren't check as I lost a post last time I pratted while using my phone to post.

anyway I can beat you all in pregnancy fashion. Uh huh. I am stylish - you'll be well jel to know I received dungarees in the post this week. And you know what, I can't bear anything around my tummy, even huge granny sized knickers bother me so they're perfect grin DP hates them grin

LucindaE Sat 01-Feb-14 10:27:29

Welcome, Petitlapin So sorry you are still suffering at a late date.
I am [angry[ that they argued about kesostix result - how absurd, that's horribly high. 13 hour shifts? I found eleven hours shifts in my library days bad enouigh in full health, you shouldn't even think about it! That awful
sneeze-bile-vomit in Asda is just the sort of thing that happened to me!
blush. I am amazed so many people are such tidy pukers, and always make it to the loo or anyway, a sink...Your right, met is blue! Vrey decorative...
Dizzy I missed this post, but if you are anxious, would the midwife check the hearbeat - not sure at what stage this is easy?
Stars It is a pleasure giving a bit of support to such brave women!
I know Punkstar and MurderofGoths were greatly helped by steroids. They by passed Ondansetron,then, for medical reasons or whatever?
Jen That tightness and moodiness might be a good sign, then...Fingers crossed.
MeerkaReally sorry it's coming back in the third tri. That is so disappointing when you hoped it was on its way out. Hugs.
Newlywed How are things?
Livingzuid Re; that taste, I found parma violets a bit puke making, though I tried them a bit. The only thing that helped me was those barley sugars or - you'll laugh - I chewed fresh mint out of desperation!
Chaffinch and IWorry SliceofLime grin about men's trackies and granny knickers. It was the Passion Killing Nightdress for me, with a lavender sachet held to my nose in case OH didn't get the general idea - he smelt awful to me...
Blingbubble Thank you for message of sympathy. It is a shame this prevents women from doing it again, it did me, and I do regret that now.
Due Dates
Jen 15 February (nearly a Valentine's Day present)
Chaffinch 25 March
Meerka 30 April
Livingzuid 6 June
PunkStar 8 June
SliceofLime 2 August
IWorry 8 August
What 14 August.

Apologies to anyone rudely overlooked.
xx

Hi all

Just found the new thread! How is everyone?

Thanks for all the good advice about the general sadness/depression I've been feeling. I know it's completely logical- I'm not sad at life I'm sad at the lack of life right now!

As for the midwife listening for the heartbeat, I seem to be under the care of some absolute jokers. I've seen three different midwives- each less friendly or personable than the last- and at my last appointment she spent the whole time fielding phone calls and said at the end "sorry we've not had time for any questions- but if you've got any you can always ring the triage" confused

I did have a scan at 16 weeks after a hospital admittance and was told everything was ok but then got a letter yesterday telling me I needed one at 19 weeks because of my hospital admittance. When I phoned and asked why no one knew so that's only served to worry me hmm I know it's probably fine but the care I'm getting does feel a bit shit.

Iworrymyselftosleep Sat 01-Feb-14 17:11:06

dizzy that does sound awful - I really get disappointed by 'bad' midwives as some can be great and I get cross when I get a not so great one. I think feeling so ill means I'm hoping my midwives will be 'people who understand and help' and when they don't, I get really downcast. I hope the scan proves reassuring but how long do you have to wait?

lucinda and blingbubble I was put off doing it again (hah) but I had three miscarriages and my response focused on overcoming that rather than how I would feel when I was pregnant. I wish, really wish, that my consultant and gp had paid more attention to me when I said I had had hyperemesis before as the attitude of doctors towards this makes it so much worse. It shouldn't be that they'll only treat it when you're firmly entrenched in the vomiting and nausea. I have had really dark moments during this pregnancy where I've thought thoughts I'm ashamed of but it shouldn't be that we're left to get so desperate.

I threw up today in the street. And in the busy toilets of a shopping centre sad public vomiting is my big fear... I also caught a glimpse of myself in a mirror when I wasn't expecting it. I looked awful sad

Meerka Sat 01-Feb-14 18:59:16

not vomitting every day now but the evenings are pretty horrible. Just feel so down .. row with husband and not being able to do much at all with son just doesn't help. I hate it that I can do so little. Read him a short story and just talking triggered the vomitting afterwards. Son got out of the bath to pat my hair .... I just wanted to cry, he's so nice, and I can pay him so little attention

Lauranne Sat 01-Feb-14 19:42:10

Checking in, am 16+5, due 14th July,currently on metaclopramide, so also have the delight of blue sick. This is my second pregnancy, but first HG pregnancy if that makes any sense.
It's so nice to find you all, I find myself not daring to go out without wearing a tena lady, as no way can I control my pelvic floor in a puke attack.
Feel so miserable, and just would like to able to enjoy my pregnancy, and my 9 year old before he stops being an only. I know you all feel the same so feel safe saying that here. I totally get the rage when people suggest ginger biscuits, just the smell would set me off.

Iworrymyselftosleep Sat 01-Feb-14 20:23:47

lauranne - ginger biscuit rage. Forever the benchmark to be used to separate those who understand and those who don't grin

meerka and lauranne I get the sadness at not making the most of DS being an only. I wish I was doing more with him - I have all these projects and plans and yet every day I fold. The other night he woke up in the night as I was being sick and I was trying to supervise him peeing in the dark while throwing up in a bucket. DP stayed in bed while DS was desperately trying to aim while shouting over his shoulder "mummy I want you to be ok"

I've got 10 days til this scan. I'm not mega worried as they said at 16 weeks everything was fine but I'm kind of worried by the fact that a) this week I've been on insanely strong antibiotics and codrydamol and b) no one at my hospital seems to know what the hell they're doing grinconfused

Big hello to the new ladies. I fully understand feeling down. With you all.

livingzuid Sat 01-Feb-14 21:41:24

I hate nausea. Just saying. <crawls back to bed where she had been since 7pm>

ChaffinchOfDoom Sat 01-Feb-14 21:52:11

to those with small kids worrying - they won't remember! this pregnancy is but a snapshot in their wonderful childhoods - give yourselves a break - you are creating the BEST ULTIMATE gift you could EVER give them - a sibling
My vomming has meant dd and ds much less scared of vomming - it's just a thing mummy does 'cause of the new baby squelching up my tummy (they're 7 & 5 so bit older) all you can do is reassure you're OK, and they seem to have selective memories..
when you feel a tiny bit better you can slowly do more stuff... fast forward to maternity leave and making your biggie feel amazing and proud of the new baby Awwwww! also do the thing where the baby buys older sib a ''present'' when theyre born - thinking snap cards for my oldest and a monster truck of course for ds grin

ChaffinchOfDoom Sat 01-Feb-14 21:55:09

<<adds sibling gifts to hosp bag packing list>>

Sally8655 Sat 01-Feb-14 23:24:38

Found you all :-)

Sorry I've not had a chance to post, I've been in a constant cycle of feeds and nappy changes!

I've tried to upload a pic but for some reason it won't let me. Ill keep trying.

Jayden is doing really well, sleeping all day and up at night which is a pain but breast feeding is getting a bit easier. Still really sore but I can at least get a feed without screaming and crying with pain!
They really don't tell you how hard it is when selling the benefits .
I'm so glad I've persevered though.

Nausea crept back a bit yesterday, think i was a bit adventurous with my food choices. Lesson learnt!

Hope all are ok and another baby appears soon, think its Jen due next!!

Xxxx

Tallyra Sun 02-Feb-14 12:06:35

Sally, I'm so glad you are doing well!!! I'm dreading the bf problems. Hoping my little one takes to it straight away smile
I'm currently lying in bed with what I hope is a 24hr bug while baby kicks me in the uncomfortable guts hmm

Lucinda, could you add my date please? Due 17th April.

LucindaE Sun 02-Feb-14 12:41:16

Lauranne Welcome, nice to meet you, sorry you are suffering . I so remember that about the Puking and Peeing - while the Spitting puts the final touch on the misery,plus, as you say, Helpful Suggestions.
IWorry and Meerka I so agree with Chaffinch Youmustn't feel guilty - I stopped at one but I know from what people have said on this and another thread that LO's do forget it all very quickly - they are more resilient than we realize, because their minds are so fluid -having a sibling is a lifelong gift. IWorry Being sick in the street is so blush. Hugs. People ought to have been grateful that at least you managed to hold on to reach the loos in the shopping centre! Three miscarriages is tough, I found one bad enough.
Sally Lovely to hear from you, glad Jayden is flourishing, sorry for horrible reminder of nausea, I think it takes time for the body to get used to eating again.
Tallyra Poor you, a twenty four hour bug and being kicked in the stomach!
Dizzy I am dismayed at the patchiness of the healthcare for women with this -it seems almost as if midwives don't read their notes or half the time don't know how serious condition is - I'm sure baby is flourishing if all the scans have been OK so far, but they should be reassuring at the hospital.
Livngzuid Sorry that nausea is keeping you in bed.
Hope Petitlapin is Ok, and Stars What SliceofLime and everyone. Apologies if cross posted, rudely overlooked.
xxx

Due Dates
Jen 15 February (nearly a Valentine's Day present)
Chaffinch 25 March
Tallyra 17 April
Meerka 30 April
Livingzuid 6 June
PunkStar 8 June
Lauranne 14 July
SliceofLime 2 August
IWorry 8 August
What 14 August.

Hi all

Just wanted to update you. I've torn a muscle in my face from vomiting hmm no wonder I'm in bloody pain. The whole weekend has been being sent from pillar to post between dentists (who were bemused as I have such nice teeth! grin) and the walk in centre and finally a and e. Eventually the 9th doctor I've seen this week diagnosed the problem.

Unfortunately there's nothing they can do but manage the pain hmmhmmhmm so I'm back at home on painkillers and feeling very sorry for myself. I can't eat more than ever now.

Sigh.

petitlapin1 Sun 02-Feb-14 22:26:32

Dizzy I'm living in a parallel world to you I think... I've been struck down by the depression too. GP referred me to counselling but at the start of our 2nd session last week the counsellor turned round and said it was perfectly normal and rational to be depressed with all the vomiting,that she normally dealt with people who could improve by changing their viewpoint and that she'd refer me to the more suitable perinatal mental health team instead.

Just finished strong codeine pills for a dental abscess, still on the antibiotics which are making the vomiting worse. The pain was what landed me in hospital last week as I couldn't eat eiher. Custard pots worked OK for me as non chewy calories.

Thanks Lucinda, I've had a lovely weekend away at my mums near Chester, marred only by my inability to keep anything down today- including the anti-emetics. Managed half a sandwich and a glass of water tonight but Ketostix on hand for the morning, might be another day hooked up to the fluids. My positive for the weekend was the discovery that strawberry pavlova is another "tastes the same both ways" food. My due date is 20th May and it can't come soon enough!

Lauranne we've all experienced the pelvic floor horrors of a strong vomit... Or cough, or sneeze! Sympathy hugs here!

Oh petit! You have my unending sympathy. More than anything I'm so worried about baby and all the codeine. I hope it's ok. Worrying myself stupid as well as being sad and in pain.

petitlapin1 Sun 02-Feb-14 23:11:09

Thanks Dizzy. Depression's only really evident at the minute when i'm heaving or in pain. I'm not sure how far along you are and if you're feeling movements yet, but mine haven't been affected by the meds- that's the thing the docs are concerned about with opiates, that they make baby's heart rate go down, make baby drowsy or, in later weeks, that baby comes out addicted (and even that's treatable). My midwife said 60mg codeine 4 times a day was safe for me and baby, in conjunction with 1g paracetamol 4 times a day. At my worst I staggered the pills so I could take something every 90 minutes, even through the night!

Lots of muscle-healing protein if you can (eggs or cheese spread if they're still on the menu?), with rest and a cool compress on the muscle. X

That's exactly the dose I'm on. I'm 19 weeks on Tuesday and no movement yet which is beginning to panic me. But I'm always panicked right now.

I'm 18 weeks on Tuesday. Getting ahead of myself! grin

Iworrymyselftosleep Mon 03-Feb-14 01:48:21

Och dizzy tearing a facial muscle shock shock you've scared me as I've had some times when I've felt that close to doing some damage what with vomiting so hard and now I have a new idea what that damage could be. You have my utter sympathy - how painful and just rotten and a sign that they don't really have the vomiting under good enough control (imvho). Some flowers as they don't need chewing.

petit an abcess sounds very painful too. Have some flowers for you too.. It makes me angry when doctors think that getting depressed as you're vomiting x times a day and feeling sick all the bloody time is an unreasonable response to the situation. I can feel my moods getting a little more dragged down each day and no damn wonder - I left the house for the first time in ages for a non essential trip on a day I felt okish and vommed in the street. Who wouldn't take it to heart after seven solid weeks of puking extravagantly?

Anyone else find the pre-vomit period to be to most uncomfortable? I know I'm going to be sick. I know it's not yet and I have to stay awake until it gets a move on. I feel dreadful, propped up in bed and listening to the wind howl.

livingzuid Mon 03-Feb-14 10:02:47

petit that's awful I hope it's a bit better today.

dizzy ouch that's just terrible disgnosis so glad you got there in the end.

As to the depression I'm not probably the best person to comment because if my thyroid and or bipolar medication is even slightly out of whack I'm living in a doom scenario! When my hg was at its worst though I just felt too sick and tired to manage any emotion. Which was tough for my Dh but he was wonderful and understood. I just feel blessed that I don't have to work because the stress from the made illness worse. So if you can get signed off I'd recommend that!

Just for some reassurance to all those worried about popping pills, I've been on pretty hardcore medication since conception + my antihistamine based hg from week 9 and the baby is such a wriggler and all is going well so far. It's worrying and I kicked up such a fuss when they wanted to increase my dosages but rationally they wouldn't give us stuff that was high risk for the baby.

worry meerka lauranne tally better days today?

sally that's lovely to hear he's doing so well and the breastfeeding going good at last. I can't breastfeed sad so I hope it continues to go well for you smile

Amy word from MoG? Is her baby OK?

LucindaE Mon 03-Feb-14 10:10:17

Oh no, shock sad SomeDizzy and Petitlapin people are suffering horribly¬ Abcesses - torn muscles - I can only recommend rubbing on arnica for the torn muscle, in jaw, I suppose? But I don't even know if it's allowed in pregnancy.
IWorry I think that 'I'm going to be sick - and soon' feeling is the worst of all. And in the night, when you feel so lonely. It's awful to be up in the night with your head down the loo, when everyone else is asleep. This Gothic weather doesn't help. Hugs.
I remember a doctor told me once that depression and being fed up and miserable and feeling helpless about something awful happening to you are not the same, though they may feel like it. The last will clear up when the situation improves as a matter of course. Is that what they might mean? I know how insensitive and brisk medics can be, though. Constant vomiting is exhausting and frightening, and there's the worries about the effect on the baby and the fear of the public humiliation on top of it all.
Lauranne and Everyone Dare I ask how things are today?
xx

LucindaE Mon 03-Feb-14 10:15:13

Livinzuid Cross posted! Wise words.
xx

livingzuid Mon 03-Feb-14 10:15:56

Is the weather awful back home? That does have an impact. Dare I say the sun is shining here and it's (finally) a beautiful day! Taking the dog out in a minute for my compulsory exercise smile

Meerka Mon 03-Feb-14 11:31:08

tore a muscle in your face? dizzy how horrible sad hope it heals quick!

not too good here, still way better than the worst times but feeling very dragged down by my incapacity to do anything at the moment and by the nausea / vomitting late afternoons / evenings. still, it -is- a lot better than many people have it. And I think of Sally and MOG with beautiful babies .... How is Eve doing, moG?

jenpatnim Mon 03-Feb-14 15:14:25

For those of you fretting about movement, I didn't feel movement until 22 weeks or so, and the wee bugger hasn't sat still since. So don't worry!

I am struggling here towards the end - the SPD is horrendous, I am not sleeping well AT ALL, either unable to sleep and sitting up all night or waking every couple of hours to chug peptac liquid. This is leaving me tired and emotional all day, feeling weepy and grumpy. Plus I am definitely in a state of low mood/depression that I recognise all too well (clinical depression for the last 15 years, usually medicated but off them until baba comes).

Plus the ever pervasive nausea.

I have the doctor tomorrow to check my blood pressure, and the hospital on Monday to do an internal (and hopefully cervical sweep) if there has been no progress.

I would try a long walk but I can't walk the length of myself with this bloody pelvic pain. I haven't been posting over the last day or two as I have felt too miserable (that's the depression again - withdrawing from others) but I thought I would check in today...

Sally8655 Mon 03-Feb-14 15:54:37

Just popping in to say hi, had a but if a catch up and really feel for you all.
Wonder how MOG is getting on too, hope all is ok.
Jen I know your pain, it's awful. I hope the sweep is possible and your baby arrives soon!

It really does get better, even though its been such a struggle it's all worth it :-)

LucindaE Mon 03-Feb-14 16:38:09

Jen Hugs. You are probably fed up with people saying 'the end is nigh' - grin in the sense of the end of the pregnancy, not the end of the world -but I think the first and last bits are the hardest for people who have this throughout or have it come back, like an unwelcome visitor, at the end. You must be so tired! You've been really brave about the depression, too - not to mention the SPD. Do you like baroque music I ask because it's meant to put you in a sort of elevated mood by making the two sides of the brain work together. Do vent all you like, that's what this thread is for.
Livingzuid and Meerka Yes, appalling weather generally in the UK - torrential rain, floods, gales going on since before Christmas, some places have had the isolated dry days, I think. I don't understand why it is rain rather than sleet as it's quite cold.
I hope Everyone's sufferings are slightly improved. I'm thinking about MurderofGoths too, but it seems wrong to pester her.
xx

LucindaE Mon 03-Feb-14 16:38:39

Sally Cross posted, hugs, thanks for lovely message of encouragement.
xx

Meerka Mon 03-Feb-14 17:56:04

Jen I do hope you feel better .. .can you take paracetamol at all?

anything you'd recommend baroque-wise, lucinda?

LucindaE Mon 03-Feb-14 18:34:25

Meerka Ooh, don't encourage me! Bryn Terfel singing Hadel's arias,
Bach's 'Brandenburg Concertos' Handel's 'Water Music' and I believe any Mozart is meant to have the same effect. I've got a CD I love recorded by the Academy of Ancient Music conducted by Christopher Hogwood
with pieces Pachelbel, Corelli, etc...Stop me or I'll keep on...
xx

LucindaE Mon 03-Feb-14 18:35:36

Meerkagrin That was meant to be 'Handel' !
How is Everyonefeeling?
xx

SliceOfLime Mon 03-Feb-14 19:31:12

Oh dear just catching up and looks like everyone is having a tough time - thinking of you all, and absolutely agree that feeling depressed is a rational response in the circs.

14 weeks today <scratches another line on the wall> ...

ChaffinchOfDoom Mon 03-Feb-14 19:51:37

ah so sorry to hear of the depression, facial muscles <ouch> and abcesses - as if the bloody vomiting isn't enough!

<hugs> Jen just do it day by day. the waiting is hideous isn't it, I went 11 days over with dd1 - Jeez I was ready to murder somebody.

that's one nicety about a section; you know it's going to be week 39 or thereabouts, there's no interminable wait-and-see

love classical music too, Lucinda our dad played it us loud volume in the car from a very young age and we'd all act out different instruments - I get my kids to do it now grin

ChaffinchOfDoom Mon 03-Feb-14 19:55:21
Meerka Tue 04-Feb-14 07:33:49

Thanks! I actualy listen to toccata and futue and the Pachelbel cannon now and then. I'll hunt up the others smile

Meerka Tue 04-Feb-14 07:36:33

doomfinch that Smetana is sending shivers up and down my spine.

SliceOfLime Tue 04-Feb-14 09:07:59

I walked up the aisle to Pachelbel's Canon and it still brings a tear to my eye! I hardly ever have music on at home usually radio 4. Need to listen to music more!

Threw up oatibix this morning in front of dd, she hasn't seen me be sick yet so I was worried she's be scared... No... She just said "mummy have you finished? Can you play now?!" The resilience of kids... I had to beg her to let me rest for a few minutes afterwards!

LucindaE Tue 04-Feb-14 09:20:44

Chaffinch My PC speakers don't work - can't play it - it must be lovely.
Weirdly, my DD recognised when she was little a piece I used to have on repeatedly when she was still inside and hadn't played since. How do they hear through all that liquid?
Sorry, Everyone that was vaguely connected to helping the sense of miserable helplessness that comes with this scourge. I hope SPD, abcesses and torn muscles not too horribly painful. I used to say on previous threads that this like some horrible board game - eat some crisps, go forward one space, bad day, go back two...I used to have a board game with a lovely pink castle shown at the end square and that's how I think of the ending to this misery. I hope too nobody has landed on the square 'Go straight to hospital; do not pass Go, Do not collect £100...'
xx

livingzuid Tue 04-Feb-14 09:36:51

I love Joseph Canteloube's Chants d'Auvergne/bailero with Dame Kiri. My favourite classical piece ever. Have played it to the baby a lot! And makes me cry oh dear.

But will check out the others! Had best get up to take Dh to work very blergh today.

livingzuid Tue 04-Feb-14 09:39:47

Oh and a lovely album for a great mix is Very Best of Relaxing Classics. It's on Spotify . I got an app to listen to all the UK stations and have Classic fm back such bliss. Dutch radio ranges from dull to utterly shocking with their take on German beer Hall music in between!

livingzuid Tue 04-Feb-14 09:42:13

And will Mozart really make my baby more intelligent?

LucindaE Tue 04-Feb-14 10:13:48

SliceofLime That's an orignal wedding march, sweet memory. Funny about your DD - you must be an expert quiet puker!
xx

LucindaE Tue 04-Feb-14 10:15:35

Livingzuid Cross posted with you and SliceofLime I only know it hasn't done much for me myself! wink
xx

Lauranne Tue 04-Feb-14 10:24:06

Thank you for asking after me, I am mostly puking, doing school run, laying helplessly on the sofa, puking school run ad infinitum. Am 17+1 today, just 22+6 to go!

Hope today, offers you all some pockets of respite x even if they are short lived x

LucindaE Tue 04-Feb-14 11:16:40

Lauranne Poor you, it's awful that its so violent. That school run mus be hell. I'm really sorry that I can't trace what meds you said you were on - can't they improve on them at all, it sounds like you have a really nasty case for it still to be so bad. I think you said you had a hospital visit only days since?
xx

Tallyra Tue 04-Feb-14 12:45:48

I was about to post that I didn't know any Smetana but I played that piece and it's one of my favourites. I love the Eastern European type composers, Borodin, Mussorgsky, Tchaikovsky.

I'm so sorry Lauranne that sounds terrible!! You really should look into the drugs and whether you can be put on anything else. Even Steroids, much as they are not nice to take, they really help some people.

livingzuid Tue 04-Feb-14 13:25:25

Lauranne that's rubbish, so sorry sad I know what you mean about the sofa, mine has a permanent indent of my ever increasing body.

Tallyra Tchaikovsky is another favourite. I can't wait to take this baby to see the Nutcracker when she is old enough. Pure magic smile There was a book when I was little about a girl who went to the Nutcracker at the Royal Ballet and it was wonderful. I may have to look that up now!

Lime I finally pm-ed you hooray smile

My baby book arrived today, which is very exciting. I got Your Baby Week By Week. I am sure that we will just end up muddling along but it is nice to have some idea in advance. I also ordered the natal hypnotherapy CDs for birth which should be here by next week. By Maggy someone. I like being organised.

Aside from that, got DH to work, did a bit of shopping and then collapsed on the sofa again when got in to do a couple of job thingys. Applying for jobs I don't want is really odd. Every time I send off an application I really hope they don't invite me to interview! Fortunately competition is so fierce I don't think I have too much to worry about.

Hope everyone is ok today.

jenpatnim Tue 04-Feb-14 17:03:12

I am amused by your classical music selections. I confess that I rather counter-actively choose music to match my mood, rather than counteract it. So it has been all emo rock (my chemical romance etc) for the last week or so - I am so ashamed to admit it! Although I did think that MAYBE if I listen to music that is really tragically bad, the baby will come sooner just to get away from it? Ha

LucindaE Tue 04-Feb-14 17:58:37

Jen grin As long as baby doesn't grow up to be a teenager playing it full blast in room as retro - lol. I take your point - cathartic might be the word? A piece definitely non classical that never fails to make me laugh - idiotic sexism - Lou Bega, 'Mambo No 5' particularly the daft dance he talks you through.
Livingzuid That is so funny about beer chants!
Lauranne How are the liquids staying down, mother hen clucks anxiously?
xxl

livingzuid Tue 04-Feb-14 18:08:21

I vomited this afternoon first time in ages sad but better now. Been really emotional this afternoon had a huge sob because of not being able to breastfeed and having to skip huge chunks of the start of the book and panicked that we won't bond and I won't be giving her the best start. Dh had to call me from work! I got so sad at the thought of her being taken at night by the nurses and not being with me and Dh at night at first waaaaaa. This hormone thing is crazy too!

livingzuid Tue 04-Feb-14 18:10:02

There are also several digital channels devoted to Dutch folk music I suppose it is. Oranje TV (orange) I watched in fascination. Didn't realise people listened to music like that still!

livingzuid Tue 04-Feb-14 18:11:25

God why can't I post today. jen we had a lot of loud music on at the weekend that was pretty angry. This baby is growing up predominantly on a diet of Foo Fighters and Metallica type music. Fancied a change of pace today...

PunkStar Tue 04-Feb-14 20:15:18

Ah love the music chat...
I play piano but have avoided so far in this pregnancy, perhaps I should have a bash. I love Pachelbel's canon too, mostly because I can actually play it...Debussy's Clair de Lune is another fave but can't play the bit that sounds like a waterfall very easily :-(

I've only been listening to a bit of music the past month or so, it enhanced the nausea too much before, was an absolute ballache! No metal here, bit of Alt J which has been on the top of my playlist for pretty much 18 months now, but I love An Awesome Wave so much.

Hello new folk....sorry you need to be here :-(

Really empathise with those feeling depressed, think I'm low too. Most days I don't even want to get out of bed but I know the HG is better than a month ago so I don't feel like I can blame that...I'm just fed up,

17+ weeks left here til CS day!!!

Tallyra Tue 04-Feb-14 20:35:49

the mention of all this lovely classical music has reminded me of it. I had a great upbringing playing orchestral percussion and still love it, but I'm with you living, rock has been my main love! Metallica!

ChaffinchOfDoom Tue 04-Feb-14 21:35:07

Punk can you play the music from The Piano? I ordered it for my sister it's lovely here

PunkStar Tue 04-Feb-14 22:29:47

Doom
Ah yes, I have the sheet music for this, agree is v lovely. :-)

ChaffinchOfDoom Wed 05-Feb-14 09:29:59

morning all. Why do bananas have such awesome heartburn power? what the hell is in them?

Meerka Wed 05-Feb-14 10:52:54

groans up from 01:30 vomitting last night. god, when will this be over ...

livingzuid Wed 05-Feb-14 10:56:58

chaffinch no idea sad was in so much acid agony last night after a satsuma (Dh sent out of bed at 11.45 to get me a hot milk) which would make more sense than a banana which I thought was nice and neutral confused

Meerka thanks no words..

Braving lunch with a friend today. Feet hurt. So so tired. And I have stretchmarks I saw today sad

livingzuid Wed 05-Feb-14 10:58:09

I don't think the heartburn is sugar either I get it from random things. My first thought was sugar in the banana but I don't think so now?

ChaffinchOfDoom Wed 05-Feb-14 11:21:11

I vaguely remember bananas being crazy bad in my last pg..will have a google

ChaffinchOfDoom Wed 05-Feb-14 11:22:10

they cause acid reflux if you react to the sugars #evilbananas

ChaffinchOfDoom Wed 05-Feb-14 11:24:29

I am starved for lunch now, may have a pre-lunch sandwich

LucindaE Wed 05-Feb-14 12:40:50

Meerka That is so horrible, so lonely having one's head down the loo in the middle of the night. Gentle pats, time IS passing, but on wings of lead...
Punkstar I envy you piano playing, and Tallyra percussion, I suppose it is hardly a thing one feels like doing when short of energy.
Livingzuid Aagh, satsumas - torment - and Chaffinch it seems so unfair about bananas, the weird thing is, I remember them as being much worse for heartburn than jelly, say, which is very sweet...
How are SliceofLimeSomeDizzy LauranneWhat and *I Worry*Totes and everyone...
Apologies to anyone rudely overlooked.
xx

SliceOfLime Wed 05-Feb-14 15:06:10

livingzuid pm'd you back! Hope you are feeling mo cheerful to day. Don't mean to be nosy but why will your baby be taken at night by nurses? Not because of not bf surely?! And try not to feel bad about that, honestly, you are doing the best you can for your little one and she will be absolutely fine and of course you will bond!

Doing ok here, still a bit retchy but I am dealing with smells and food a lot better in the last few days. Hope it carries on. Still couldn't manage a curry though grin

Mytimewillcomebutwhen Wed 05-Feb-14 15:54:45

Hello hope everyone is feeling less nauseated today. I haven't thrown up for two days, which is great although I am feeling nauseous. Its all a bit of a blur - I'm so hungry, I'm lurching from snack to meal to nap. Today I demanded DP procure tartar sauce. I'm suddenly far too fond of what up til now has been a random condiment. Never fancied it before. Ate half a jar [cconfused]

livingzuid Wed 05-Feb-14 18:49:56

Lunch went well. Dinner at in laws not so good. Lay on sofa the whole time. In bed. Acid. Hot milk. Horrific taste in mouth even after mouthwash.

time I am the same. Starving and literally raiding cupboards in a frenzy then nauseating myself. Sigh.grin at the tartar sauce! Mine is balsamic vinegar, regularly eating 4-5 tomatoes with mozzarella a day atm swimming in the stuff confused

lime thank you smile will write back tomorrow!

And last thought for the night is that we have some very talented musical ladies on this thread. In awe particularly as I failed grade 1 piano.

Sleep well all smile

LucindaE Wed 05-Feb-14 18:51:37

Mytimewillcomebutwhen Don't know if to say welcome, or i you've had a name change! Ghurkins is what tartare sauce is made of, I think - might be a clue there - a whole half jar , my goodness.
I hope torn muscles, sickness and heartburn at night, abcesses and awful school runs, sadness and SPD were not quite so bad for everyone today -
looks about anxiously? Another day of dismal weather in UK...
xx

livingzuid Wed 05-Feb-14 19:40:22

Horrible weather here in South Holland!

Sorry didn't answer the breastfeeding q - I can't sadly as I take lithium and that would pass through breastmilk to the baby. I also apparently am at the highest risk of a bipolar episode right after the birth and I will be on sleeping tablets for about two weeks. I have to spend the first eight days in hospital and Dh can't stay so the baby goes off with the nurses at night so I can sleep.

It's made me howl with sadness several times already as I had always wanted to breastfeed but on the upside Dh will get to feed her as well. He's got to do the night feeds for the first month so I can sleep hahaha! But he's looking forward to it all he says.

ChaffinchOfDoom Wed 05-Feb-14 20:38:43

ah living don't worry - it's best for your health and therefore it is best for your baby - it sounds very proactive of you and your doctors to have planned it already so you're having time to get your head around it.

Tallyra Wed 05-Feb-14 20:48:13

oh living, what a horrible situation. I'm so glad dh is up for it all though. sad

SliceOfLime Wed 05-Feb-14 20:58:08

Living I'm sorry, I didn't mean to be nosy, I didn't mean to ask why you couldn't bf - I know there are lots of reasons that might be the case. Kkeeping you healthy and well to look after your little one is the most important thing - agree it's good that you've been able to plan in advance. Shame they can't let dh stay overnight though in the circs but you know your baby will be well looked after. I agree with what Chaffinch said! smile

Bleurgh at the tartar sauce mytime ! I can't wait for the day I can tuck into something really tasty - like a really strong cheddar with pickled onions - or my mum's chilli - or a good curry - or... <runs off to retch >

I wonder if there is any news from jen -not long til d-day!

petitlapin1 Wed 05-Feb-14 21:46:14

Mmm tartar sauce... (Adds fish nuggets to shopping list due to fish finger aversion.)
Horseradish was good the other night too surprisingly.

Had a good couple of days with no whole-meal returns. Started sorting out the nursery today in my good couple of hours between get up (2pm) and nausea returning (4-5pm). Did a room furniture rearrangement which always makes me feel better, although got told off (gently) by OH when he got home for moving furniture by myself. Think if I manage an hour every couple of days it'll only take me... forever! to get it sorted! weeps in irrational despair at not being able to do normal pregnant things at normal pace
That was my full day used up though... No washing, tidying or cooking done here unless by OH.

Abscess pretty much cleared now, pain totally gone so back to "normality" which is good. Hoping the infection was making it all worse so things can return to second trimester as-good-as-it-gets-ness soon.

Plan for tomorrow is to open and start emptying a box from the nursery which has become a bit of a dumping ground since we moved in over a year ago. Not aiming to finish a box, just to start one!

PunkStar Wed 05-Feb-14 22:11:45

Meerka
Oh no!!!
It's not fair that you are so ill....
It's so unpredictable and so hard to plan anything with this evil condition...

Living
Sounds like they are being very proactive about managing your care postnatally. I'm so certain bonding will be fine...this is coming from someone who never really planned on children and had no real maternal feelings during my last pregnancy (I blame the HG!)
I'm glad they are taking your mental health so seriously and planning ahead, can only be a good thing and rest at night will be amazing!! Sorry re the BF but baba will be happy as long as they are loved and fed whether it's FF or boob...appreciate is hard on you though.

Time
Hehehe re tartar sauce. Tartar sauce always makes me think of a certain Simpsons episode and now I can't get Mr Burns out of my head!

Went in supermarket yesterday, after 20 mins could not bear the sight of it anymore. Seriously hard work trying to find some things I may consider eating. Toast and a very bland muesli seem to be my only consistent safe foods. Although to be honest I think the good days are increasing in number but after three months of sloth I do feel very fatigued and apathetic in general. I feel claustrophobic in my own body, not pleasant....felt the same last time too. Whinge, whinge, whinge ;-)

PunkStar Wed 05-Feb-14 22:15:39

Have started a 'task for tomorrow' plan as way of trying to improve productivity. My only task today was to make a phone call- tick.
Tomorrow- leaving the house ( always a big deal as requires some form of washing, dressing and attempting to smooth out semi dreads in back of barnet) so TLB can have a haircut. He has cultivated a mullet.

Iworrymyselftosleep Wed 05-Feb-14 23:42:27

Sorry the mytime post was me (above ranting about tartar sauce). No idea why I chose a different nickname! I don't think I've posted anything contentious I'd want to keep hidden from my normal name!

DS aged 3 has been impossible today and I've been in tears trying to sort him out. He was tired when he woke, grumpy all morning, napped the whole afternoon and refused to go to be til 11.30. Had row with dp as well. The day feels like a total bust. DS is really worrying me - he is obsessed by the iPad (the daily mail would do an exposé on me if they ever knew) and everything is a battle from eating (two acceptable meals only) through to any cooperation on anything and everything from getting dressed, undressed, going to bed, cleaning his teeth. Everything. I feel like I'm a failure. Sorry. Feeling monstrously nauseated now as well cos I'm upset.

Enough is too much already right now. <pity party>

jenpatnim Thu 06-Feb-14 00:14:40

Hey all, sorry you are all having such a rough day. Yep, I am 9 days to due date, no 'signs' yet, although my mother is convinced it will happen any minute and is on tenterhooks (and driving me crazy).

Met up with 2 school friends today that have 2 year olds and I am slightly scared! Ha... I keep telling myself that I won't get a 2 year old and then I will have 2 years to get used to him!

Still feeling sick and sore, and sleeping really badly. OH has been working round the clock recently and he is really tired... then I feel guilty as I am so useless and asking him to do things for me rather then attempt to stand up.

Nothing in the diary for the rest of the week - the next appointment is antenatal at the hospital on Monday to check size.

Mood still isn't great, but I will keep checking in. Will also let you know if anything happens..........

jenpatnim Thu 06-Feb-14 00:16:04

And Iworry - you are not a failure. I know I don't have a toddler yet, but as a teacher I know there are just some bad days with kids... it doesn't reflect on you. Tomorrow is another day hugs

Meerka Thu 06-Feb-14 08:09:04

<crawls in, waves disconsolate with the bucket, but links a very funny thread that can't help but cheer you up a bit http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/mumsnet_classics/263007-funniest-bit-of-childbirth?pg=19>

Meerka Thu 06-Feb-14 08:09:23
petitlapin1 Thu 06-Feb-14 08:41:26

Waking to vomit bile. New things even at 25 weeks.

And I thought sleeping was safe...

LucindaE Thu 06-Feb-14 09:03:59

IWorry Ah, it was you with the tartare sauce longing! Hugs about bad day. My daughter was like that at one stage, I found myself shouting at her every day she was so impossible, and it must be twice as bad with this scourge draining you of energy. You are not a failure, He's probably asserting himself.
Petitelapin Mother hen is flapping wings wildly. I so agree with DP, you should NOT be moving furniture, you need to rest. Glad the abcess pain is gone.
Livingzuid I so agree with Punkstar and Tallyra the night feeding will help DP to bond with the baby all the more (and understand why new mothers are so tired). Don't feel guilty for a minute, there's so much pressure over breastfeeding from fanatics.
I hope Whatareyoutalkngabout Lauranne Dilsa and others are OK?
Meerka Aah, poor you, hugs. You are being very brave.
Jen It's been an endurance test - but you are almost there at the Pink Castle at the end of the horrible board game. Your DP sounds very understanding and he knows it's not laziness!
Apologies to anyone rudely ignored.
xx

LucindaE Thu 06-Feb-14 09:05:11

Petitlapin Cross posted, oh no, you poor thing, that Bile Run is the worst way to start a day. (offers an anxious pat).
xx

livingzuid Thu 06-Feb-14 09:58:55

Ah thanks everyone, and chaffinch that's OK I don't mind talking about it. Not many people in rl know I have bipolar so this is therapeutic to be able to be so open smile Rationally I know that it will all be fine and the baby won't care so long as she gets some form of food from someone grin just another one of those preconceptions that I am going to have to drop. I am sure I have so much more of that to come, starting off bright eyed and bushy tailed about routines and food and activities to do (currently looking into parent and baby art classes haha) and then reality will sink in hehe.

The other sad thing is that she may get lithium withdrawal and howl lots as it leaves her bloodstream as I have taken it during pg. Again rationally I know it's fine and I am on a low dose and she won't remember, so chances of that are low. But it breaks my heart that even before I begin I might have hurt my baby in some way! I guess that worry never will stop though!

My mum wants to come for a visit but I am feeling very antisocial at the moment. How to tell her I want some peace and quiet confused also not sure I want visitors in the first couple of weeks. Unless she comes with my stepdad and makes a holiday of it I think we'd rather be alone! Dh said he's going to keep his parents at bay as well for a few days.

Sleep would be nice, woke up at 4 with nausea and made DH get me more milk at 6. Am having a day in bed today with my new book.

jen bet you can't wait, how exciting to only be 9 days away.

Ooh nom nom scampi and chips with tartar sauce meerka where can I buy some sauce! But worry you aren't hopeless. Do you think you might have a touch of pre natal depression? My friend had this and sounded similar to you. Was miserable. Perhaps talk this through with your Gp or midwife? thanks

meerka that's rubbish. How many weeks now to go?

petit great news on the abcess clearing up, what a relief for you.

OK going to try out the natal hypnotherapy Cd. If the baby lets me listen and achieve zen without kicking too much! She's so active this morning.

LucindaE Thu 06-Feb-14 17:23:09

Petitelapin I hope you're feeling better after that dismal start to the day?
LivingzuidHugs. It can't be helped, and as you say, she won't remember. I'm sure for a lot of babies being born is a nasty experience, anyway. It seems to take them a few days to get used to the world.
Everyone I hope this will make you laugh - ridiculous accident. Annoyed with OH, I marched into the bathroom fuming this morning, and managed to drop my bra down the lav shock. I may be a feminist, but that is the stereotypical 70's image...
xx

Iworrymyselftosleep Thu 06-Feb-14 17:55:52

living DP asked today if I was depressed. Im not sure. Im certainly having a bad few days. Ds excelled himself today and not in a good way. Hes going to bed soon and I dont care how early it is. I guess my feeling is that Im certainly down, but it seems reasonable to be in the circumstances. I have an out of control three yo and so much to sort out. I need to sort out ds preschool after we move and I have no idea where we're moving to or when it'll be possible to move except it has to be before the baby comes. Dp crashed n possibly wrote off the car this week . Its all piling up .

Sorry I'm not much fun at the moment.

livingzuid Thu 06-Feb-14 18:24:30

Big hugs worry you have a huge amount going on and with this bloody sickness and pg hormones it's easy for it to feel out of control and helpless. It may just be worth discussing your feelings with Gp or midwife to make sure there is nothing more sinister going on. And it always helps to offload to someone in rl and we are always here!

shock at your car oh no. Is dp going to get that all sorted so you don't have to with the insurance company?

And can anyone give you a break for the day from your toddler? Lots of non alcoholic wine

LucindaE Thu 06-Feb-14 18:26:57

Iworry Oh, no! Lot's of stress and bad luck at once. Fate seems to be picking on you, so moan all you like, you've got every right. Cyber pats/hugs always on offer.
xx

livingzuid Thu 06-Feb-14 18:27:38

It's just I was ranting and raving 2 weeks ago at my Dr who said hmm we need to up your dosage which I didn't want to do but it made me feel better once the medicine kicked in. I thought it was hormones and money worries and blah blah but I was bordering on per natal depression. So just made me wonder if it's worth you having a chat.

livingzuid Thu 06-Feb-14 18:28:22

And the wine is for you not the toddler doh

petitlapin1 Thu 06-Feb-14 18:56:52

Thanks for all the kind thoughts ladies. Kept about a pint of water down in total so far today. Have actual leaving the house plans for tomorrow with best friend so hoping I can get a bit more down before bed!

Looking at the funny side today. Best friend has suggested a comedy "little book of vomit". Ribena red, port pink, watsits orange, bile yellow, metoclopramide blue etc. Lacking a green to complete the rainbow page! Also noticed on bad day vomit is layered, which always make it a bit more interesting in a gruesome sort of way.

Ignored Missed a call from perinatal mental health team today as I was in bed depressed which came up as an unknown number which normally means a call from work. Hopefully they'll have an appointment for me next week on a day that's not my gtt nor health visitor introduction session nor the day i've agreed to babysit for a couple of hours!

iworry I second getting an opinion from midwife or gp about the depression. If you get prenatal depression then you get more support to ward off post natal depression I think.

living I wondered if I should invest in the natal CDs, are they any good?

Was it meerka who posted the funny birth stories thread link earlier? It's keptmme giggling mostnmof the day, thanks.

jenpatnim Thu 06-Feb-14 19:03:30

Iworry, you are definitely having a tough time. I hope you can get the move sorted easily enough - are you staying the general area?
Also the car thing is a complete nightmare, but let DP sort it out. Just try to take it as easy as you can...

Everyone else, .... sigh. What can I say that hasn't been said? I am defintely depressed, but I am trying to not let it show too much.

whatareyoueventalkingabout Thu 06-Feb-14 20:30:51

hi everyone. Have been quiet as have spent the last five days vomiting.

Was sent home from work today by HR and told to be sick or work from home tomorrow and then work something out for the future. Cried all the way through the appt, came home, slept, and then had a week when my little one came to say goodnight.

I am struggling to think of anything I want to eat AT ALL. can anyone help me? everything I would normally turn to is turning my stomach :-(

PunkStar Thu 06-Feb-14 21:18:32

IWorry
Sounds like you are having a rough time :-(
I feel quite low most days but I have help everyday with my 18 month old which gives me chance to recuperate from the 6am start
..I would not be able to physically cope with him alone, so managing a three year old and having HG is impressive. I think you're right, under the circumstances it's pretty normal to feel depressed. I've not sought any help but have been talking to my Da about it and OH. I've found this has helped me to start dealing with it. Hope you have lots of home support but MW and GP are there to help too.
Big hug, you are not alone, hope you have some brighter days.....

PunkStar Thu 06-Feb-14 21:24:41

What
Ahhhh I still struggle with food... Cereal and toast are okay for me. It's hard because I think the food thing is pretty personal. I can manage things like yoghurt but I'm preferring mousse at the minute (not something I normally eat) some crisps are okay too. Jacket pots too!
When I really couldn't manage anything I would have smoothies made from fresh fruit and milk, OH would chuck some protein powder/whey in for extra nutrition.
Hmmm hope the suggestions haven't made you sick...I feel a bit queasy writing them and they are my safe foods!!

ChaffinchOfDoom Thu 06-Feb-14 21:45:18

smoothies
melon
ice pops
toast
random stuff that crazily takes your fancy - go with it ie tartare sauce
yogurt & bit of cereal thrown in
crisps
chips, frozen cooked stuff ie shicken nuggets
sandwiches? ham and mustard
tomatoes dipped in salt
celery with peanut butter squidged in and raisins dotted down = ants on a log
dairylea on ryvita
crackers with butter

I could not eat grapes - still can't
pizza makes me feel ill - too rich

I like green olives

ChaffinchOfDoom Thu 06-Feb-14 21:48:18

savoury biscuits with bits cheese

crème caramel desserts

crusty bread toasted

I struggle with vanilla ice cream - it tastes very chemical to me now
Love vienetta though

breadsticks and chive dip
cottage cheese
baked potato
beans & sausages in a tin

ChaffinchOfDoom Thu 06-Feb-14 21:49:39

oh yeah - bought pre-packed sandwiches / pasta salad - very tasty and no prep sickness - just pure eating

Newlywed2013 Thu 06-Feb-14 23:25:14

Hi ladies!
Still struggling away but got given new anti sickness meds today and managed some dinner! Worried about my weight loss! Lost 6kg in month (I am 9+5) and now only weighing 42kg! Hubby freaked out last night when I let him cuddle me as I am just bones! He does everything for me including helping me in and out the bath as I just have no energy! Had scan on Monday and baby doing great which is a relief! Hope these new meds work!

whatareyoueventalkingabout Fri 07-Feb-14 07:22:32

Wowee newly wed I weigh about twice as muh as you so and this is getting me down so I can't imagine how you feel. Hopefully some of the amazing suggestions above will help you too x

livingzuid Fri 07-Feb-14 07:45:18

Nutella on white toast was all I could eat for ages. Still is my breakfast. Or when I was feeling faint a teaspoon tablespoon of Nutella. And icy cold water. Ice helped a lot. And diet coke.

Great news on the medicine what glad it is making a difference.

newly don't worry about the weight loss I think the baby lives off other things stored in the liver or something? At the height of my upchuckingness Dr's were supremely unconcerned and said not to worry about any weight loss just keep liquids down. Are you on medication yet?

Two awful nights of sleep in a row. I think I am coming down with a cold. Gynaecologist today. The irrational fear of something being wrong returns again. And I will get a BP check hope it has not risen again.

Meerka Fri 07-Feb-14 07:56:01

everyone seems to be having a hard time at the moment :s newlywed that weight loss seems pretty extreme. As living said they don't usually bat an eyelid at weight loss on its own but if you're 42kilos you can't have any to spare at all!

living hope you feel better after the gyne ... always reassuring to hear that things seem ok.

doomfinch's advice is great, there's maybe a couple of other suggestions here Great site that, and really really great people on the end of the helpline. Well, when they ring you back.

The dreadful taste in my mouth and the saliva is rather better now here, but the nausea and sometimes vomitting is returning specially in the evenings :s I'd hoped for a few more weeks before the end-is-in-sight HG returning. living i find if I don't sleep well, which I often don't, the sickness is always far worse the day after sad We have builders and plasterers doing work too, just all feels a bit much atm.

livingzuid Fri 07-Feb-14 08:39:11

Oh and petit yes I recommend the cds just look on Amazon for them. They are by Maggie Howell. I am only on the first one but definitely feel better after listening to it. It's around 25 minutes which is about right.

LucindaE Fri 07-Feb-14 09:11:55

Newlyweid I'm not surprised you are both concerned - mother hen is dismayed - what do the medics say about such a weight loss? I'm glad you managed to eat something yesterday. What are the new meds?
Petitlapin grin
Looking at the funny side today. Best friend has suggested a comedy "little book of vomit". Ribena red, port pink, watsits orange, bile yellow, metoclopramide blue etc. Lacking a green to complete the rainbow page! Also noticed on bad day vomit is layered, which always make it a bit more interesting in a gruesome sort of way. I can add a green - I used to drink tea, made with fresh mint. Usually soothing, but once I found a snail I'd accidentally boiled up in it - and I hope hearing about that doesn't make people feel as ill as the sight of it made me.
What I'm amazed you are at work at all - you shouldn't be struggling on, honestly - I don't know how people manage to go in at all. About the 'F' word - food - I think my own staples, crisps, chips and flat full sugar coke flat have been mentioned, plus jelly and ice lollies if they can even be called food, but good for liquid. Barley sugar, too - tinned fruit- as others say, baked potatoes,the only healthy part of a really disgusting diet! This was all washed down with Lucozade or IronBru. I sometimes found the more expensive (for some reason,it may be purer or something) strawberry or fudge ice cream OK. It's so hard to find anything, I know. Things will get better. Oh dear, HR don't need to tell you to 'be sick' for sure...
IWorry I hope no bile runs this morning?
Mereka How is the sickness today, silly question?
Hugs to Livingzuid and Everyone. This will honestly seem like a distant nightmare,and you will be posting happy news to encourage a new group of poor sufferers in the not so distant future, though it seems an age away to you now. in the throes of this
xx

PunkStar Fri 07-Feb-14 09:24:24

Newly
Weight loss is actually a significant indicator for hyperemesis severity and is important. More than 5% weight loss can be an indication for steroids if all other treatments have failed (I'd been on four including ondansetron. My significant weight loss is why I was commenced on prednisolone, in the US they also use PICC lines for artificial nutrition)

Nice guidance suggests if more that 5% weight loss then your GP needs to discuss with secondary care if they haven't done so already.

If you have a lot of reserve then it may not matter so much but you don't and persistent weight loss especially if losing it quickly can lead to deficiencies, thiamine being the most important. If your body is burning off your fat stores as energy rather than carbohydrate (because you're not consuming any) this can also lead to you having excessive ketones in your system. Check with ketostix.

Definitely keep an eye on your weight, I was very frail and dizzy from malnutrition rather than dehydration and I think some clinicians forget how important this is. I went through hell in my first pregnancy because I could just about keep myself hydrated but no one cared that I was losing a lot of weight. This time I've seen doctors who know their stuff and it's made the torture more bearable.
Hope the treatment your on starts to help soon :-)

PunkStar Fri 07-Feb-14 09:28:39

Are you on pregnacare? This has thiamine in. I had to break it up into little bits to manage it though....

livingzuid Fri 07-Feb-14 10:19:10

newly, punk is correct sorry my post was a bit misleading. I thought you had been to drs already. Seeing as I am now 95 kilos shock I'm not the best person to advise on weight. Am sure all will be OK though just keep nagging to be seen and get the right medications to control the sickness. Mine started working straight away which is why they weren't bothered I guess.

lucinda baby is fine, blood pressure has gone down grin but something up with my liver. More tests called for. But could be due to my lithium dose being increased. I'm in that hospital so many times a week right now.

meerka hugs.

Newlywed2013 Fri 07-Feb-14 10:50:05

Thanks ladies, I was on Cyclizine to start with but now on ondansetron which already feeling better since yesterday and taking in more fluid and a little more food! I am back at drs on Monday and if I go down more they want me admitted! I have always been tiny at school I always looked like the undernourished one lol
Also dr gave me another set of meds I case the ondansetron doesn't work so I can move straight onto it without waiting for a gp appointment which is good I suppose.
Might even get out of bed today :-)

Meerka Fri 07-Feb-14 10:52:10

sickness is hovering in a holding pattern, ready to crashland on me when I run out of energy... got far too much to do, really really don't need it. Ho hum. Another day along ... 11 weeks and 4 days to go .....

PunkStar Fri 07-Feb-14 11:24:52

Meerka
HG is pants! Hope it lifts soon...it's just too depressing. I too count the weeks and exact number of days to go!!

Newly
That's great, sounds like they are on the ball. Hope the ondansetron works for you and you can get some nutrition! Was a bit worried.....

Living
Sorry, hadn't seen your post re the weight loss.... :-)
Sounds like your docs are keeping you busy with appointments! Good that they are monitoring things but must be tiring....I'm knackered after a trip to my hospital (own fault as picked a tertiary centre 30 miles away....OH works there so at least he can get to scans with me this time...and HG prof there!)

Hope everyone surviving today! Another week nearly completed.....

Meerka Fri 07-Feb-14 12:54:43

newly very glad to hear you have got stronger meds. Hope you can eat more this weekend

starrynight123 Fri 07-Feb-14 14:25:51

I’m so glad I found this thread. At the outset: I don’t have hyperemesis, but I have severe emetaphobia (terror of being sick/nauseous) and for the past 4 weeks I have been at home, being sick every day and horribly nauseous the rest of the time. So much so, that I’ve had to mainly stay in bed because moving around makes me sick. It is living in my own personal nightmare and I can’t cope.

I’m so unhappy and have got to the point where I don’t even want to touch my bump anymore, and spend a lot of my time crying. I try and do bits of work from home to keep my mind occupied but I’m so lonely and utterly miserable and increasingly depressed.

I spoke with my GP and he said that wks 12-14 are usually the ‘peak’ of the nausea and I hope to god he is right for my own sake. I’m in wk12 because I just can’t cope with this anymore. He prescribed me metaclopramide and it is helping a bit but the panic and nausea are still there and I’m still sick every morning.

I appreciate that those of you who are suffering from hyperemeis must think I’m a complete lightweight but this is my idea of pure hell and I don’t know what to do.

LucindaE Fri 07-Feb-14 14:56:46

Starry You poor thing - it's specially awful for you, if you have a fear of being sick. If you are so ill that you are in bed most of the time, it seems the doctor is perhaps saying it's not Hyperemesis too easily. They used to have rigid definitions where people weren't even offered meds until they'd got so ill they'd been put on IV in hospital, but things are meant to be improving but I sometimes wonder! I do know that a fear I had - of would you believe leprosy - vanished forever when I met a man with leprosy and sat down and had a cup of tea with him, so it's very unlucky if after being sick a lot it's frightening for you. Of course, it's nasty - and everybody cringes at having to do it in public - but it can make you feel a bit better, at least temporarily. Is this a stupid suggestion, you probably have tried it - I was wondering if they have some Hypnosis tape somewhere that might help?
There are lots of meds. If metroclopramide doesn't really help, there's a chocie - in fact Ondansetron can stop the vomiting completely, though not the nausea, unfortunately.
With most women the first tri is the worst - things generally get a lot better at some point between fourteen and eighteen weeks. Don't despair; I'm sure with the right support, you can get through this horror.
xx

starrynight123 Fri 07-Feb-14 15:38:36

LucindaE Thank you SO much for your response - it means so much to me. I don’t tell people about the emetaphobia because they tend to laugh it off and think I’m being stupid. They have no idea how much it can affect living day-to-day life - I’ve had to have a lot of help from therapists just to get on a bus or train, get in a car, get out of the house, get a job, eat properly... the whole lot. It has been incredibly difficult.

But, for the last few years, things have been improving and I found myself commuting to work on the bus (honestly, never thought I’d ever manage that!)! So, this awful sickness and nausea has completely thrown me and I feel as though I’m back to square one. Not knowing when or even if it will end (obviously after having the baby it will stop but at 12wks, it seems a LONG way off) makes it that bit worse.

I have my first midwife appointment at hospital on Sunday and my first scan on Tuesday. I’m really, really scared about getting there and dealing with the sickness/nausea on the way and while there. Does anyone have any suggestions or ideas about how to make this more bearable? How have others managed this with the sickness/nausea? I’d genuinely and completely appreciate any advice or suggestions at all.

For me, it is about a 40-min to one hour walk away because I can’t use public transport (panic has set in with using this again because of the sickness/nausea) and we don’t have a car. I’m told there can often be delays with appointments so I’ll take a lot of sickbags and wipes but, god, the thought of being ill there makes me shake with fear and cry :-(

PunkStar Fri 07-Feb-14 16:08:36

Starry
I'm so sorry you are feeling so terrible. I have to agree with Lucinda....you may have hyperemesis. Most people who have nausea and vomiting in pregnancy are still able to function normally generally. You also have the added complication of emetaphobia.

Things that can help me...essential oils. I can tolerate lemon or grapefruit. If I encounter any noxious vom inducing smells these can help me.
When I was really bad in all honestly nothing helped. Ondansetron stopped me vomiting for around four days then did nothing. However it generally works really well and this may be a great option for you if your med fails (it is now second line in NICE guidance so this info may help you to persuade your GP to try it)

Now that I am functioning a bit better, being prepared helps. Lots of rest before and after I plan to do anything. Taking a drink (sparkling water helps me but maybe not for everyone) and a salty snack or some fruit, if I get too hungry then I get severe nausea and this can trigger vomiting.

With regards to your low mood...I'm so sorry. In my first pregnancy I cried a lot, especially first tri....I couldn't believe what was happening to me. I understand what you are saying about not even wanting to touch your bump. I wouldn't look at anything baby related until third tri. This is my second HG pregnancy and I don't really think about having a baby or anything related, I just count down the days until delivery.
I bonded straight away with my little boy and just felt so happy that I finally felt normal again. I don't stress about my lack of emotion towards bump this time, this could be just the way I am but I like to blame the HG :-) I know once he's here I'll adore him.
It sounds like you need some extra support, hyperemesis is a very depressing condition (I think whether you technically have hyperemesis or not is irrelevant, the point is you feel poorly and can't function well :-(
Might be worth letting your GP know how rubbish this is making you feel so they can try and help matters. Big hug x

ChaffinchOfDoom Fri 07-Feb-14 20:21:07

Starry

hello. I'm sorry to hear you're suffering so. I had a version of emetaphobia as a child and it turned into a social phobia of eating in public. It still very occasionally rears its head, I dread eating out, for example and really stress over going to dinner parties - and agree the HG makes it entirely worse as the fear is so likely to come true

I think mine stemmed from an experience out at dinner with family when I was about 6 in an old-style Harvester pub - remember them? I think my parents kind of forced me to eat and that triggered it all... anyway. I'm lucky In that I can kind of deep breathe my way through meals <harder when PG as I can't have a tipple to help relax LOL>

please know you aren't alone - these anxieties are magnified by HG which as earlier said is also renowned for being a depressive condition so be gentle with yourself, don't expect too much - all those crazy baby-making hormones are circulating too

great tips already mentioned, for me up to my ondansatron working well I carried plastic bags everywhere as emergency sickbags, wipes, all kinds of sweets snacks apples crisps cereal bars nuts, bottle tonic water - literally had a massive bag of them to nibble anything I fancied
being at appointments is better than you think as your mind will be entertained by getting there and the waiting room - I would obsessively read all of the info signs

<sigh> it's exhausting and horrible but so worth it - congratulations and know someone's always here to share how you're feeling smile

Meerka Sat 08-Feb-14 10:38:44

Hi starry what a horrible situation to be in. if its any help, almost everyone does improve as the weeks goes by.

livingzuid Sat 08-Feb-14 11:25:28

Starry what a awful feeling to have. Chaffinch is right when she says the HG amplifies everything. I had to have my medication increased to handle the increased anxiety and lows I was having. At 12 weeks I point blank refused to get on a bus and DH had to drive me the 5 minutes to the hospital which he didn't at all mind but still I felt ridiculous. I struggle with being out in public which got 100% worse after pg and hg.

Not being in control of our bodies and not being able to enjoy food and drink and having to spend 90% of the time in the loo or prostate on the sofa gets the best of people down! When you have something on top of that it's a real battle but you will get through and it will be worth it smile It will stop soon, mine started easing up around 15 weeks or so. It's there, but much better than before.

My only miracle cure was icy icy cold tap diet coke which gave me a bit of energy and halted the sickness for a few hours but that also had downsides as we aren't supposed to have too much caffeine are we! But it got me through my final few weeks at work and the baby is fine. You could try sipping on one whilst you walk (I did that a few times when I had to go out with the dog). You can have something like 5 cans of coke a day and lucinda has recommended flat coke before. You could just put a straw in a can and sip and stroll. The caffeine should give you a boost to get through the hours.

It should ease off soon and please do go and talk through things with your GP or midwife if you aren't keeping any food down. Good that you are seeing midwife tomorrow, do tell her all and they should be able to help with coping mechanisms and keep an eye on your nutrition. Don't be fobbed off!

Can you cope with sucking sweets at all? Can you cope with a taxi or too bad with your condition? I found barley sugars helped lots but others find sour sweets/Skittles etc all help. I got addicted to fruit Mentoes for a while as well.

Am sure the scan will be brilliant. I was in floods of tears in the waiting room and then front of my consultant at that same point as I was convinced all was terrible (long story), who immediately whipped me in to have a look and reassured me all was ok. It's a magical sight seeing your baby and I think you'll find the journey home so wonderful as you'll be buoyed up by the sight of your little one.

Are you going on your own or is your DH/DP/mum/friend going with you too? It might help to have someone to support you too. The one time I went for a scan on my own I was a total mess so DH was under orders to never let it happen again!

Let us know how you get on, hugs.

LucindaE Sat 08-Feb-14 11:27:53

Starry Lovely advice and encouragement from Chaffinch Meerkaand Punkstar.
It just occured to silly me, I used to have a fear of vomiting picked up from my mother, who probably does have a borderline phobia about it - but because of developing migraines, by the time I had a run in with this fun condition, I had become blase about it. Desensitisation is somehow the key - but how do we get there? I think possibly by concentrating on how you feel after a happy puking session - not in the first thirty seconds, but after that - hopefully a bit better for a little while at least.
Have you got a counselller, still? Surely you should have as you shouldn't have to cope with this fear without.
How is Evreyone today?
xx

livingzuid Sat 08-Feb-14 11:29:53

Prostate or prostrate?! I think I mean the latter!

LucindaE Sat 08-Feb-14 11:30:09

LivingzuidCross posted with your lovely advice for Starry!
xx

Lauranne Sat 08-Feb-14 11:46:12

Hello all,

Hope HG is being kind to you, I haven't been on for a while, because I just haven't had then energy to do anything beyond basic care for my 9 year old. I feel so sad for him. He is autistic so he really doesn't understand at all bless him.
Weight loss is still ongoing, but baby is fine and I seem to have success with fizzy water and rocket lollies, so finally I am keeping some fluid down, which is certainly making me feel a bit better. Food is still not overly something I can tolerate but my little baby seems to be thriving in there so that eases my anxiety somewhat.
New pills yesterday so hopefully they'll start to kick in soon and I'll be able to start eating again.
Hugs to all, x x

LucindaE Sat 08-Feb-14 12:14:42

Lauranne I've been concerned about you, so nice to hear from you.
Glad lollies are helping. It's interesting how many people find different sorts of fizzy water soothing - I vaguely remember putting pinwapple juice in mine someitmes, but at other times that was too acid.
It must be very difficult with an autistic child . What meds are you on now?
xx

Lauranne Sat 08-Feb-14 12:22:46

Ondansetron x with strict instructions to go back Friday if eating semi normally still hasn't been resolved. I really appreciate your concern. In fact everyone irl is being so lovely as well.

I think trying to stay positive is key, it's so hard some days though!

Lauranne Sat 08-Feb-14 12:29:31

I also have domperidone to take in case it doesn't work as I still lost a lot of weight on metaclopramide x

LucindaE Sat 08-Feb-14 12:45:09

Glad they're sitting up and taking notice, Lauranne! Let's hope this stuff works well. My normal question - do you have kesostix to test for dehydration in the meantime?
xx

Lauranne Sat 08-Feb-14 12:49:38

No I don't. Where would I get them from, I am so amazingly clueless! You'd think as this is my second I'd know what I was doing! First HG though so this bit is all new x

LucindaE Sat 08-Feb-14 13:42:22

You're not clueless - they are generally used by diabetics, but very handy for checking urine for dehydration. You can get them from any chemists - and if you get a reading of more than 3+ you are very dehydrated and this is the point at which you need IV in hospital, unfortunately. Can someone get them for you? You can get them online, too,but there might be more of a delay in that.
xx

ChaffinchOfDoom Sat 08-Feb-14 19:28:27

evening all. Hope today went OK.
Another day done.
thanks

emark Sat 08-Feb-14 19:33:19

hi, i started a separate thread earlier about the severe side effects i am suffering with cyclizine
does anyone know of any less zombie inducing alternatives that work and will allow me to function even vaguely normally??

ChaffinchOfDoom Sat 08-Feb-14 19:56:58

hi emark if you go back to your doctor there are loads more fun pills to try - hopefully there'll be something suits you better

emark Sat 08-Feb-14 20:17:10

anything specific to ask for?

ChaffinchOfDoom Sat 08-Feb-14 21:15:54

theyre kind of in levels of seriousness
I got given ondansatron after being on a drip and only after demanding it as they v reluctant to prescribe as allegedly it's expensive

diff drugs do diff things - has anyone got a link ?
depends on your medical background as to what they'll offer you, I suppose

Meerka Sat 08-Feb-14 21:31:14

cks.nice.org.uk/nauseavomiting-in-pregnancy#!prescribinginfosub

have look at this, gives you all the drugs that the governmental best=practice agency NICE recommend. there's quite a few. All docs are supposed to go by this.

diff drugs suit diff people. good luck, i hope soemthing helps

<crawls back to bed>

ChaffinchOfDoom Sat 08-Feb-14 21:37:58

I was only on 12mg ondansa in total at my worst - and they were such b**** about letting me have it. the hospital pharmacist even LIED and swore it was NOT available in tablet form. wish I'd got her name and I'd have complained - was too out of it on drips though sad

elizabethsmum Sat 08-Feb-14 21:55:00

Hi all- just skim read through thread. Not pg myself but have survived 2 hg preg and just wanted to offer you all moral support. It is truly sonething that can only be understood if you have been through it.
My brief exp - 1st preg- hg on and off all through with a couple of admissions - took cyclizine (no help), metachlopromide and stemitil (ok). Eventually induced at 36/40 for severe PE (unreleted to hg).

Waited 4 1/2 years to have another as couldn't face it again.....only to be blessed with numbers 2&3 - yes ironically twins. Hg totally awful until 15 weeks- 5 admissions litres upon litres of iv fluids, cyclizine, metachlopromide, stemitil and ondansetron. Eventually prescribed injectible cyclizine to have at home (dh a nurse). Miraculously or perhaps due to injections - hg improved significantly at 15 weeks so there is hope.

Please feel free to pm me at anytime if needs be as i know how desperate it feels at times. Take care everyone xx

whatareyoueventalkingabout Sun 09-Feb-14 09:27:53

I am on prochloraperazine maleate but it's just not enough and am struggling so much with work. How much difference does ondensatron (?) make?

Meerka Sun 09-Feb-14 10:13:24

for most people, quite a bit. Everyone responds to drugs a bit differently so it does vary. But it helps most people a lot. Some people respond best to a cocktail of drugs. A few have to go onto steroids like MOG and I think punkstar

Thanks for your message elizabethsmum ... 5 admissions :/ not good. I suppose that getting twins might have made it worse?

LucindaE Sun 09-Feb-14 10:44:10

elizabethsmum Wellcome, lovely to hear from you, I remember you from about three years back, am I right? Twins must have made the Hyperemesis dreadful as you'd had it before - well, as Meerka says, five hospital admissions...Have you got the time to call in regularly besides, as your experience would be invaluable in helping to advise others?
emark welcome,That's a wonderful link from Meerka, and there's 024 7638 2020. That's a number where they do have to call you back, but people have found the advice invaluable about getting meds.
Do stick around, this is very hard to bear alone.
What You poor poor thing, you're still AT WORK? mother hen flaps and clucks in dismay, particularly if the medication isn't doing it's own job properly.
Apologies to anyone rudely overlooked, or with whom I've cross posted.
xx

LucindaE Sun 09-Feb-14 10:54:00

Forgot to sayMeerka I knew there was a link I'd overlooked on the blurb, stupid of me, I'll put it up on the next. How are you, is the puking as bad as ever?
I was doing some fine puking yesterday afternoon myself with a migraine, fine today, though, quite a short one -and I reflected on the grotesque fact that if you open your throat, as if you're singing, it's so much easier sad. I also noted that apple fruit tea comes up an ornamental shade of red.
xx

Meerka Sun 09-Feb-14 11:52:59

ouch Lucinda, sorry to hear about the migrane, I hope it's gone today? I'm puking less but having to go to bed at 7 or 8 or 9 pm again from the nausea. It'd started getting bad anyway, but the last days have been stressful with builders and having to paint and the sheer mess and dust around ... that's not going to get much better for a while :s

Am wondering of moG and Eve are, and sally and jayden!

LucindaE Sun 09-Feb-14 12:39:49

Thanks, Meerka, at least that was a short one. Sorry about stress levels and the mean way the sickness has slid back again. I'm wondering about Sally and Jayden and MurderofGoths too, and do hope baby Eve is thriving - but I don't like to bother her.
xx

elizabethsmum Sun 09-Feb-14 13:06:50

Hi- yes lucindae that would have been me! All a bit of a blur now!! Yes am happy to keep in regular contact!!
Ondansetron did make a difference for me when given as an injection- not entirely good at remembering re the tablet form tbh- think it helped a bit.
once i got on top of the symptoms with the injections ofcyclizine, cyclizine tablets actually helped up to 28 weeks (which they had never done in my first preg).

It is a lot of trial and error unfortunately and nithing will help until the severe dehydration is under control ime xx

LucindaE Sun 09-Feb-14 14:02:27

elizabeth'smum It will be lovely to have you; your presence would be much appreciated -twins shockwith the extra hormones kicking round that must have been a dreadful case of Hyperemesis as you'd had it with a singleton.
xx

Meerka Sun 09-Feb-14 14:23:56

a doctor told me that actually the dehydration itself makes you feel sicker. Something to do with the electroyte balance, was it? I forget. But that would explain why being on a drip helps all by itself.

elizabethsmum Sun 09-Feb-14 17:18:54

Yes it was pretty grim lucindae!
meerka that sounds right from what i remember- once you get to the stage where your electrolytes are completely out you really need medical help to get you back on track- amazing how quickly a few litres of iv fluids perks you up!

LucindaE Mon 10-Feb-14 09:00:57

My goodness, it has suddenly gone quiet on here. I hope Everyone isn't too ill to post/in hospital on IV?
elizabethsmum So, now we've had two people who had twins on this thread, that I know of for sure, there was a Mrs Dahiku a few threads ago, she was very ill in the first tri but got much better.
xx

jenpatnim Mon 10-Feb-14 09:40:08

Morning, Lucinda. I am here - I have my antenatal appointment this morning so I am just getting ready to go to that - with some bonus vomiting and retching as I got up! Wheee!

I will check in later and let you guys know what the drs said about size and so on, and if they have any plans to bring me in or just wait it out.

Hope all are feeling relatively ok...

LucindaE Mon 10-Feb-14 10:16:54

Jen Oh no, what a way to start the day at this stage. I hope you feel better enough to eat something before the appointment, and good luck with it.
xx

livingzuid Mon 10-Feb-14 11:02:05

jen good luck today!

I'm here. Was busy yesterday. Made it to church for the first time in two years grin and then had a nice relaxing time at PILs for the afternoon getting looked after. So basically overdid it.

Sick today. Nausea is bad. Have appointment with my psychologist today, first time in six weeks so I'm a bit 'sigh' about that but am having a bad response to having a girl which makes me so sad. Lots of childhood stuff and mum issues to work through and totally freaking out about being a crap mum! One part of me is so excited about having a daughter and the other part is shock so I just need to reduce the shock bit!

Also just heard from my psychiatrist and I have to go in next week again as she thinks my thyroid levels are low + wants to check on my liver again. All of the above aside it's so reassuring to feel the baby move as I think oh well. It is just as well I am not working as I am in and out of that hospital almost every day of the week it feels like. Still, better to be safe than sorry and they are all lovely.

I also have serious restless legs at night. Can't afford pregnancy pillow as the prices are eyewatering here (may go on the hunt for a big bolster pillow). And this leads to terrible insomnia. Waaaaaah.

Hope everyone is ok xx

LucindaE Mon 10-Feb-14 11:22:26

Livingzuid Congratulations on outings. Much sympathy about these health issues, having to spend so much time at hospital and the conflict over having a daughter. I thought myself it would be easier to have a boy. With my feminist views I knew it would be a struggle with compromising - I wouldn't hold myself up as a model mother but I just had to do my best to make her able to cope with the world as it is. I found it difficult - they want to be popular with the other girls, and have the Barbies and pink dresses - so I encouraged her to climb to the top of the climbing frame along with the boys, pink dress and all and I made up gothic adventure stories for her Barbies...
xx

Meerka Mon 10-Feb-14 12:22:24

I'd have loved to be a mouse in the skirting board for those stories! smile

the other side of the coin if you have a boy is that you have to teach him to respect women and not to fall for the sadly-still-prevelant view in some areas that women should do all the housework and various other fundamentally stupid, sexist assumptions.

But just for anyone who has some spare time, a fun link on the subject of male / female brain: www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/sex/add_user.shtml

jenpatnim Mon 10-Feb-14 14:27:06

I totally wanted a girl.... and I am having a boy. I still have no idea what I am supposed to do with him (when he decides to show up).

Had my antenatal and cervical sweep - eugh. Was not fun, came home and went straight back to bed. I definitely still feel a bit raw from whatever it was she did in there, and she wasn't gentle.

Still haven't eaten anything but SO is getting me some eggs so I will have something soon. I fancy scrambled eggs or something comforting like that.

Living - I bought one of those pregnancy pillows but I don't really love it. I have been using just an ordinary pillow between my knees and sort of leaning forward on my side so that the bump is resting on the bed.

starrynight123 Mon 10-Feb-14 14:43:45

LucindaE, PunkStar, ChaffinchofDoom, Meerka and livingzuid - thank you all SO MUCH for all your incredibly kind messages of support. Honestly, I sat here sobbing because it means so much to me.

I did make it to my appointment yesterday and took your advice: had a huge canvas bag packed with 'essentials' like carton of coconut water, ready salted crisps, every type of mint under the sun, lipbalm (to smell - lavender and orange flavour, because I didn't have any essential oils apart from tea tree and even the thought of it makes me gag at the moment), newspapers and bags (to be ill on/in), chewing gum, metoclopramide... I can't remember what else I had in there, but my dh gave me a funny look when he went to pick it up and it weighed a lot more than he thought it would(!)

Because it was a Sunday appointment, the hospital was lovely and quiet and I made sure we sat in the quietest corner with easy access to the loo (very clean, very impressed!). My midwife was incredibly kind, took her time with us and she has referred me to the hospital's mental health unit for support which I'm so glad of. The walk there and back was a bit epic (around 2 hours all in), but at least it didn't rain - small mercies, huh?! I found myself timing it in tic-tacs :-) I found sucking on ready salted crisps while there helped a bit too. The jitteriness on the way home and in the evening was something to behold. Not nice, but I survived.

It has given me a tiny bit more confidence about managing tomorrow, even though tomorrow is a much earlier appointment (12pm). My dh has arranged to be at home from 11am so we can walk up again together and slowly back again. I'll take my topped up 'sack of preparation' with me again.

It was interesting what some of you mentioned about desensitizing yourself to phobias. I hope that one positive thing that might come out of this awful experience is being at least a little bit desensitized to sickness - it's either going to be that or ending up a nervous wreck shaking in the corner and I don't really like the thought of the latter...

Well, bring on tomorrow (but not too quickly!!) and I'll try to concentrate on seeing the baby on the scan - the midwife said that apparently we can buy a picture of the scan for £2 (bargain!) if all is well.

Deep breaths and relaxation...

Meerka Mon 10-Feb-14 15:34:18

jen hope you're feeling a bit better after a rest ... it really can't be long at all now!

starry im glad the hospital midwife was so kind. Makes an untold difference to the horrible situation of all this illness doesnt it? a kind midwife or doctor really makes you feel less alone. And a clean hospital does help! I hope it goes well tomorrow. Seeing the scan is always so special. Is your husband going too?

The MN crew is always here for when you're feeling down. Preg can be such an isolating and lonely time if you're one of the ones that has a hard time. The people on this thread helped me so much when it was at its worst

livingzuid Mon 10-Feb-14 15:55:18

Feel better, back from the psychologist who said that my bipolar medication being out of whack + pregnancy hormones had triggered my childhood trauma and she has given me techniques to block it. We will work on that after the baby arrives and my hormones have gone back to normal. My wish to return to the UK may have to be put on hold whilst I get better as I'm not sure I'd get this level of treatment. One day!

She also said that I am an excessive worrier which I did know grin and to relax and enjoy the pregnancy. Having a girl will actually be therapeutic to work through my issues.

I mainly wanted a healthy baby and to get past the worst mc stage but was hoping for a boy. I thought I would not be too phased by whether it was a boy or a girl but I was rather wrong!

starry I'm so glad it went well. How exciting to have your scan tomorrow. The walking is such great exercise as well smile

My latest addiction and what makes me feel so much better is just a slice of lemon in boiling water. The smell immediately helped and sipping on it was delicious. I'm having three of these a day at the moment!

Back to sofa waiting for DH to come home. I really want potato things at the moment so he's trying to figure out a new way of cooking them as he's getting a bit bored of the same thing grin funny really as I could not stand potato in the 1st trimester.

petitlapin1 Mon 10-Feb-14 16:00:35

Just checking in. Not a great weekend vomiting-wise, but I keep thinking back to the worst times between 11-16 weeks and i'm so much better now!

Weighed myself today and I'm down to my lightest weight since first check when I found out I was pregnant. Only 4.3 kg (9.5lb) down which is nothing compared to some I know especially given that I have a lot of extra there to begin with, but it's still enough to give me niggly worries about the baby getting enough etc. He's kicking away though so guess he's happy enough. (Selfish thoughts wishing he'd kick less when i'm already feeling sick.)

Very busy week this week, so much to do, so many appointments, so little energy or enthusiasm for any of them! GP for another sick note, health visitor intro meeting, first perinatal psych appointment and tomorrow a glucose tolerance test. I rung up and checked with them and i'm definitely not allowed to take my metoclopramide before the test. They weren't very sympathetic on the phone so I think I might "forget" my sick bags and decorate the department with sugar syrup... Karma.

On the subject of sick bags Starry, I can recommend zip lock freezer bags. They fold up small, are much more waterproof than carrier bags and can be neatly disposed of after any incidents. It took me a couple of weeks at the start of HG to realise the carrier bags had holes in them...

Gentle pats to all who need them. X

starrynight123 Mon 10-Feb-14 17:23:49

meerka and livingzuid thank you! I know I'm tearful a lot at the moment, but having this support network on here makes more of a difference than I ever imagined it would. Just knowing there are others here who 'get it' about the horrors of constantly feeling sick and figuring out how to cope day-to-day (although, to be honest, sometimes it feels more like second-to-second).

I love the lemon in boiling water idea and will give it a go! One thing I've been doing is freezing small slices of oranges and lemons in little bags and then nibbling on them. It feels fresh in the mouth and the taste/flavour/smell is less overwhelming than when they are cut and nibbled at room temperature. I figure it's also healthy.

A slightly random question: how do you manage to brush your teeth? It makes me ill, as does mouthwash.

The nerves are mounting for tomorrow. Sitting in bed with my heart pounding away, trying to think of other things. I keep telling myself that one day I'm going to be one of those people who walk around in a cloud of zen-like calm and serenity(!)

petitlapin thank you for the tip about the Ziploc bags. I appreciate it :-)

starrynight123 Mon 10-Feb-14 17:26:46

petitlapin - could you ask your GP to post your sicknotes to you? I know a lot of surgeries demand you to pick them up yourself, but mine will post them if I ask very, very nicely although they usually ask to provide either self-addressed and stamped envelopes or cash/cheque to cover the cost.

Good luck with all of your appointments and with spreading karma ;-)

Meerka Mon 10-Feb-14 19:32:46

er .... the whole brushing teeth thing .. er ... im afraid it was simply impossible for many weeks for me, in the evenings and sometimes in the mornings. It's still hit and miss in the evenings. I know, utterly revolting, and I used to look away from husband and son when I was talking to them, just in case my breath got that far sad

you could try the little bristly things you can get for the gaps in between the teeth, and mouthwash on the rare moments you can tolerate it. Or baby's toothpaste, that can be a bit less vomitous than adult.

LucindaE Mon 10-Feb-14 19:46:15

Stars I am so glad this thread provides support and useful suggestions for the first visit, that you got to sit near the loo - and that you've got a referral. Desensitisation is almost certainly the thing, and I'm sure you'll get a lot of advice about it. Sucking on crisps brings back memories...DH sounds very good.
Livnzuid So glad about good news and that lemon works for you. No acidity with it is great.
Jen I remember that pillow arrangement as being the best. How are you feeling now?
Meerka grin The Barbie games included vampires, time travel, and robots...You are right, it can be no picnic bringing up a boy in this society, either...
Petitelapin Sorry the sickness continues. How frequent is it now? That's a great idea about the freezer bags. I used to double up carrier bags, but they are messy things. grin about decorating the room where the test is - a good idea, if they weren't nice. Let them watch out for their shoes...But it's grim you have to have that test.
Apologies to anyone rudely overlooked.
xx

LucindaE Mon 10-Feb-14 19:51:41

Cross posted, as ever. Starry and Meerka Lol, I remember well not cleaning teeth. I found kids toothpaste (non mint) less horrible,and rubbed it on my teeth with my fingers.
xx

Meerka Mon 10-Feb-14 20:04:31

ok wow at vampire and robot and time travelling barbies. [heart emoticon]

PunkStar Mon 10-Feb-14 20:55:38

Starry
Glad you managed it :-)
Hope the scan goes well tomorrow.
Snap with the lemon, anything citrus like is great. Sometimes I just hold some lemon rind near my nose! Glad MW was kind to you, makes things easier.

Petit
Hope the GTT is okay!!! I've got to have one at 28 weeks so I'll be interested to hear how it goes...not looking forward to the drink
. I've piled weight on thanks to the steroids, good job really, although weight dropping again as we reduce the steroids but at least I'm above my normal weight.

Living
Glad your hospital appointment went well.
Strangely enough I was desperate for a girl first time around, just because I was so at odds with being pregnant and the HG, thought a girl would be something familiar...anyway of course he was a boy. But I couldn't imagine anything else now and the gender didn't end up mattering in the slightest. Another boy for me this time too.
Can just take a bit of time to get your head around these things....

I've been using a child's toothbrush which has made me gag less but fortunately can use corsadyl mouthwash with no errors if can't face any brushing.

Let's hope we all have a good week :-)

ChaffinchOfDoom Mon 10-Feb-14 21:00:17

hey guys.
Ziploc puke bags = genius. I too doubled up carrier bags , but I suppose nappy sacks would work well too - asda 39p for 100 or something..just knot in top when full envy

one million ways to cook potatoes is so funny - baked, boiled, mashed, new, fried in slices, potato waffles, croquet, those crispy potato balls, hash browns...<mmm> potato cakes.. you /dh can make these from scratch quite easy ..never forget chips either grin

I have a girl and a boy, am thrilled my 7yo dd picked out a black/grey toothbrush last time at asda. good girl! she loathes pink.

elizabethsmum Mon 10-Feb-14 21:07:29

Hi all just very quickly checking in.... i remember the panic about having to go anywhere in public and worrying about being sick in front of people etc. Always had carrier bags with me but like you point out the holes are a problem!! Often had to get off the bus many stops too early (this was a lot later on in pg when i had made it back to work of sorts but could still often be 'caught out' by random sickness particularly travel sickness!)

Teeth brushing is a problem (shouldn't brush teeth immediately after vomitting anyway as it seals in acid to the teeth). I just used to swill mouth with water and then try and suck a mint. Concentrating on sucking the mint as slowly as possible was also sometimes a distraction for a few minutes also!

Good luck for everyone with upcoming appointments- i also once had to tell a gp receptionist that i would be outside and asked if she would mind coming out and calling me when it was my turn. (Not poss in a hospitl tho i know).

Sending positive thoughts to everyone xx

firstbaby01 Tue 11-Feb-14 02:06:38

hi everyone. I'm new to this thread but thought I would post for a bit of advice. I'm 18 weeks and have suffered with sickness on and off for the past 12 weeks. I haven't managed to do a whole week at work (as my boss very kindly pointed out today when I called in sick yet again) since the 8th December and im really starting to get fed up sad I'm not sick every day it's normally about 3-4 days a week and when I am sick I feel really ill for the whole day with a massive headache and feel exhausted. I have been to the doctors twice and both times she has told me this is normal in pregnancy and im just unlucky and basically told me to deal with it. She did give me some tablets called metamorph something or other but they made me feel worse. does anyone else feel like this? I was also heaving so hard today that I think I pulled a muscle under my bump which now really hurts sad I just want to enjoy my pregnancy

Meerka Tue 11-Feb-14 08:03:25

hiya first. congrats on yoru preg, but sorry you're having such a bad time.

Your doctor ... sigh. we hear this so often.

Ok, first off, this is NOT normal sickness and the governmental's own guidelines, which she is supposed to follow, say this about sickness and vomitting in preg:

Goals
To reassure the woman that nausea and vomiting are normal in pregnancy
To reduce nausea and vomiting
To reduce time off work and other lifestyle disruptions caused by symptoms
To prevent complications

this is the site of the governmental guidelines, from the organisation NICE, national institute for clinical excellence: cks.nice.org.uk/nauseavomiting-in-pregnancy#!topicsummary

Secondly, there are a number of medicines that are considered safe and often people find one doesnt work for them and they try another. Or a cocktail. Usually people start off with:

Cyclizine + B6
then move to:

Metoclopramide
Prochlorperazine
Promethazine
Ondansetron

Beyond that occasionally people are given steroids, but that's really heavy duty and the last line; you don't sound as if you need them in my less-than-medical opinion.

Oh and if you feel the urge to stick a slice of ginger up someone's nose if they suggest that, be reassured we've all felt like that. Or worse.

If you can, I'd go back to the doctor and lay out the situation, that you're having too much time off work and that you'd like to try something stronger. ~these drugs are all considered safe after a great number of preg women have used them~. Can you take an advocate with you? Either your partner or even a friend from work who can lay out the situation? When you're sick and feeling grotty, it's really hard to lay things out clearly and stick to your guns.

Can you even see another doctor if you get nowhere with this one?

If there's no luck with either of those, these people can quite possibly help. If you leave a message they will ring you back; mother hen put up the number on the original post above. Also there are some good hints on their website on tips and tricks to manage serious nausea and vomitting, you might know them already but there might be some new stuff too. They also outline the medicines you can use.

Do hope you get somewhere and can get the help you need. And this thread is always here for support and hints and sisterly solidarity over the sickbucket.

ChaffinchOfDoom Tue 11-Feb-14 09:58:00

we are the puke crew. morning nausea a-pkenty here. Week 33 now - yikes, it feels so high! grin

good advice there Meerka-t

Meerka Tue 11-Feb-14 10:04:59

< envies doomfinch the 4 weeks ahead of her and runs to catch up!> smile

lol, one thing about HG. you don't dread the childbirth so much becuase IT MEANS THE END OF THE HG!!!

ChaffinchOfDoom Tue 11-Feb-14 10:57:33

don't run, you'll slip over in the snow!

6 weeks to go; and 6 weeks is such a looooong time

livingzuid Tue 11-Feb-14 11:25:46

Hi first and so sorry you are suffering. Excellent advice from meerka. And can you try a different doctor as well and discuss it with your midwife.

I couldn´t brush my teeth for weeks. I managed chewing gum sometimes for about a minute which was as good as it got.

I also came to a realisation yesterday that I cannot eat anything sugary. It leaves such a terrible taste in my mouth. I tried a bit of chocolate yesterday which was such a big mistake. I also ran out of lemon so DH bought me home limes to have with hot water. They work just as well but then make me wistful for Corona which is not a good idea!

My keyboard has decided not to work today so I can type and that is it hehe. You will all also be VERY proud of me as I educated someone about hyperemesis today!

So, I decided to start a blog about having bipolar, trying to conceive, pregnancy, and how it impacts all of that stuff seeing as I am gainfully unemployed and not able to move too far. I mentioned hyperemesis in my second ever post this morning and you could have knocked me down with a feather if I didn´t get a comment 1 minute later asking what it was! I promptly linked the sites on our page and explained further what it was.

Hooray. I must write about it more often in the blogosphere if I can ever actually figure out how to a) make my blog look pretty and b) promote it beyond anyone apart from DH grin

chaffinch only six weeks I am so jealous.

How did you go today starry?

firstbaby01 Tue 11-Feb-14 12:08:44

Thanks guys smile I had a look at the link and it sounds just like what I have been feeling! The midwife did give me a telling off at my last appointment and said she could tell I was not eating enough by the ketone level in my urine. I have had nothing but trouble with my doctors but I am in the process of moving house to a different area so as soon as that goes through I will be changing doctors and getting a new midwife so hopefully they will be more helpful than the surgery I'm with now!

jenpatnim Tue 11-Feb-14 12:37:27

First, Meerka has covered everything brilliantly, there is nothing that I can add to her post apart from my sympathies and welcome - I hope you can find some relief soon.

Sadly we have all become experts in this lovely condition.

Post sweep I have lost my mucus plug so I am hopeful of action..... fingers crossed for me?

Hi all

I hope everyone's feeling a bit better. Yesterday was a bad day for me but feeling a bit better today. Got my 20 wk scan tomorrow and very nervous indeed but trying to keep smiling.

Was spectacularly horrible to DH yesterday as I'd just had enough but we made up and he was entirely understanding. Just sick of being stuck indoors (even though it's hardly outside weather!)

Love to you all.

Meerka Tue 11-Feb-14 12:44:12

oh wow jen .... definitely fingers crossed, and toes! smile Keep us posted!

first you mentioned ketones. Can you try to get some ketostix?> they're cheap from a chemist or you can get them online. You pee on them and if they go dark, you're dehydreated, there's a little colour chart on the side of the bottle. Anything 3+ you need to go to the doctor for it.

If your midwife is concerned, I do think you need to go back to the doctor and tell them that she's concerned. \

living ... linkie!! smile

LucindaE Tue 11-Feb-14 14:45:59

firstWelcome, sorry you are suffering so badly at week eighteen, and I d feel for you about those headaches and so agree with all advice given and about getting kesostix - it's so hard to tell the difference between dehydration headaches and the hormonal migraine type horrors you can get -I can't improve on everyone's advice, especially Meerka's.
Somedizzy Best of luck for scan, I'm sure all will be fine and it will give you such a boost. I know it sounds easy for me to say. How is the sickness now?
JenFingers crossed indeed- I do hope it all goes beautifully. What sort of birth are you hoping for? (apart from easy!)
Chaffinch Lol about puke crew - MeerkaNo running allowed, only dignified waddling.
elizabeth'smum I envy you that you could stomach mint - it had to be kid's strawberry toothpaste for me. Everyone I am still in awe of elizabeth'smum getting through a twin Hyperemesis pregnancy after surviving a singleton Hyperemesis one.
livingzuid Is Corona too acid for you? Limes make me think of the sailors in history...
Apologies to anyone rudely overlooked.
xx

jenpatnim Tue 11-Feb-14 16:51:28

Lucinda, I don't even care, I just want the baby out. My back is sore and I am generally achy - I am taking this as a good sign.

LucindaE Tue 11-Feb-14 17:39:33

Jen Hugs - you must be so eager to have this fun behind you, quite apart from meeting baby...
xx

elizabethsmum Tue 11-Feb-14 18:29:30

You have hit the nail on the head meerka giving birth is a doddle compared to hg!!

Thanks lucinde ! I had even been to pre conception counselling due to the dread of going through hg again- amongst other issues- so to then find out it was twins- apart from thinking how we would cope with twins main thought was just omg the hg!! (Found out early at 6 weeks as i am a sonographer - colleague and i both got the shock of our lives ;))!

ChaffinchOfDoom Tue 11-Feb-14 20:21:32

LOL self scanning between appointments grin to see twins cartwheeling round in there

ChaffinchOfDoom Tue 11-Feb-14 20:22:49

I wish we could all meet up in RL but half of us are in Holland <wistful face>

livingzuid Tue 11-Feb-14 20:36:34

chaffinch are you in Holland too or did I misread that?!

Yes, we could all meet, sickbuckets at the ready grin this is a lovely thread though, eeveryone is so nice.

lucinda the thought of beer is vomit inducing sigh, and even if I felt up to it I don't think I would have a drink during pregnancy. No problem if others want to have a wine or beer. Not that I have a choice, it would come back up soo fast.

But the beaches here are so fab and very civilised. I envisage nice long sunny days on the beach this summer with the baby enjoying a beer or two. Dh doesn't drink and does the driving whoop so I always feel on holiday when we go to the sea!

calamityjane1 Tue 11-Feb-14 20:51:55

Hello

I'm not sure if I should be here or not –confused about whether my morning sickness qualified as hyperemesis. I could keep food and liquid down, so I think probably not. I did lose about 5% of my body weight in the first 16 weeks, have been sick all the way through the pregnancy, and it seems to be creeping back again at 35 weeks, but you ladies have had it far worse than me and I just want to say that you are heroes for coping.

What prompted me to post was solidarity with the "have you tried a ginger biscuit?" remarks. If I ever hear that again, I will not be responsible for my actions grin

ChaffinchOfDoom Tue 11-Feb-14 21:17:31

living I think Lucinda meant lime corona - the 80s pop stuff rather than beer grin

ChaffinchOfDoom Tue 11-Feb-14 21:19:20

Hi calamity agree fucking ginger biscuits don't ever do anyone any bloody good - tis a rumour put about by McVities to boost sales to preggo women . congrats on week 35 - what kind of birth are you hoping for?

ChaffinchOfDoom Tue 11-Feb-14 21:20:33

also living I'm in the west midlands of England, sorry- not Holland. Ive never been, would like to visit old Amsterdam, one day though.

livingzuid Tue 11-Feb-14 21:31:43

chaffinch hahaha I don't remember that pop drink! I was thinking of the tasty beer I can't wait to have in June grin if anyone ever comes over to see meerka and me that would be fun!

Amsterdam is very pretty but full of stoned stag dos gawping at the prostitutes so I felt a bit embarrassed! Still have a few museums and galleries I want to go and see there. I'm going to take the baby to get cultured, stare at some van goughs etc. Dh is from Rotterdam and you wouldn't believe the hate each city has for the other so I never get to go sad

calamity I spent 3 euro bloody 50 on a pack of ginger nuts after making Dh drive all the way to the British store which was 40 minutes away and promotly puked it up. Most expensive ginger nut ever I am sure of it. Welcome and sorry you are still suffering. I don't have vomiting any more but get nausea pretty badly which is not fun. All welcome here smile

elizabethsmum Tue 11-Feb-14 21:53:32

Perk of the job chaffinchwink

Meerka Tue 11-Feb-14 21:54:20

hi calamity and welcome.

From what people ahve posted, quite a few find the sickness getting worse again in the last month or two ( or in my case this time, last 3 months, bleh and ugh). Like doomfinch says, even 6 weeks seems a hell of a long time ... but at least it's not the full 30 that someone who's only 10 weeks has to go through!

if you'd like some deeply satisfying cutting replies to some of the idiocies said to people suffering serious nausea and vomitting (and you def qualify if you lost that much weight, whatever the formal cutoffline for HG is) ... Have a look here what to say when

can't actually come out with them myself but OHHH they did echo round my head a lot. Though I did manage to say to one woman who recommended ginger that it was like pissing on a volcano.

petitlapin1 Tue 11-Feb-14 23:06:20

Good evening puke crew.

Vomiting 3/day ish at the minute Lucinda, but managing full meals and keeping them down most evenings so feeling better. Averaging 3 pints fluid a day and about 1500 calories I think.

GTT today was bearable. Getting up early/lack of sleep is a trigger for me so when I got up this morning I vomited yesterdays dinner from 9pm. I'm pretty convinced I won't have been technically fasted... Then the test itself: i advised the midwife there was a chance i might vomit, to which she helpfully stated "you do know the test is void if you vomit?" No sh1t. Then there were many attempts at getting blood, then drinking about 350ml of thick flat chemically lemonade. I sipped it very slowly over 5 minutes, and the midwife remarked that she'd have to down it because the taste would make her ill. I smiled and nodded.
Despite a very hairy first 90 minutes of breathing techniques, essential oil sniffing and sighing I kept it down for the full 2 hours! I could easily have brought it back up, but i think i'm just too British and overly sensitive to the other 40 people in the waiting room! I brought at least half of it back up less than an hour later at home though. So the second reading won't show a 'full dose response' if that makes sense...
Anyway, it's done.

Jen hope this is it, fingers crossed for you.

starry hope today was OK. Thanks for the tip about posted sicknotes. I'll ask at the gp but you can't even do phone repeat prescriptions at my gp so i'm not hopeful.

somedizzy good luck for tomorrow.

LucindaE Wed 12-Feb-14 09:05:54

CalamityJane Welcome, sorry it's come back, it does so hate to leave so many women...Five per cent of body weight is a fair bit. Congratulations on being near the end, anyway.
livingzuid and Chaffinch grin The lime pop drink of yesteryear is what I meant, but I haven't seen it in years, must have imagined that you had it over in Amsterdam. Come to think of it, that would be pretty sickening, too.. Beer - the thought of it fora sufferer[green].
Petitelapin As if you had any choice about vomiting - it so annoys me when some medics seem to think you choose to do it... Glad it somehow went OK.
Meerka Pissing on a volcano- lol. If it's any comfort, this idiocy isn't confined to Hyperemesis suggestions - several people have asked me re my migraines if I have tried Pharacetomol?
elizabethsmum waves.
Got to go to Welsh in a hurry...
xx

Meerka Wed 12-Feb-14 09:21:18

petite your big mistake was not vomitting over the midwife. I suspect that it's amazing how quickly they take HG seriously when that happens.

PunkStar Wed 12-Feb-14 10:30:14

Hahaha. It is now my intention to use the pissing volcano response at next opportunity. Brilliant :-)

Meerka Wed 12-Feb-14 11:40:28

mutter craving bitter stuff atm. chicory, grapefruit, kalamata olives, anything bitter

mrsb87 Wed 12-Feb-14 12:21:19

Hi guys, may I join you? So so glad I found you as the girls on the october ante natel thread (as supportive as they are) really don't seem to have a clue.
I'm 6wks 4 days and have already been into hospital for fluids on monday. Still struggling in the mornings even with meds. Off work for this week so I can get some energy back.
How have you all coped with going back to work etc? This is my first pregnancy and not having a great time so far!

mrsb87 Wed 12-Feb-14 12:22:38

I would also like to mirror the ginger biscuit thing, complete rubbish! I'm fed up of tasting ginger biscuits going the wrong way. Yuck!

Meerka Wed 12-Feb-14 12:34:34

oh gosh, already in hospital at 6 1/2 weeks? sad it sounds like you've got it bad.

It seems likely that if it's this difficult now, you're in for a rough few weeks at best though most people do improve around week 15 - 21. Some people have managed to work through this nausea .. god only knows how <total respect>. Are you on any meds, mrsb? I really hope the hospital gave you some. there's quite a few that can be helpful ranging from quite mild to pretty heavy duty. All of them are considered safe for use.

You -are- entitled to ask for them and should be prescribed them. All doctors are supposed to follow the guidelines published by the governmental body National Institute for Clinical Excellence cks.nice.org.uk/nauseavomiting-in-pregnancy#!topicsummary.

ALso, the websites Mother Hen posted in the OP have some good hints on how to eat and drink, and what to eat and drink. They may help.

mrsb87 Wed 12-Feb-14 12:52:19

Yes I was prescribed cylizine sunday morning from the ooh doc but that hadnt made a blind bit of difference by sunday night so fluids monday morn. They have put me on another one to act as a top up inbetween taking the cylizine so I'm medicated to the eye balls currently!
Been better yesterday and today, only time im struggling at the moment is first thing when I first wake up, nothing is stopping the puking then.

The main thing I'm worrying about is getting through work, if I dont work I dont get paid, dh is self employed and he doesnt earn a lot. We have a mortgage and a few debts (like everyone!). I know worryingis going to make me worse but I'm just struggling to know how we're going to get through it.
Sorry to have to whinge but I'm getting a bit lonely at home on my own with only my thoughts!

Meerka Wed 12-Feb-14 12:58:50

cyclizine is the weakest, its often paired with B6 as they seem to work well together. what else are you on now? Some people end up on a cocktail. Again, these are all tried and tested drugs, for all that officiallly the companies won't say 'safe in preg' ... they're terrified after Thalidomide, which would never have been licensed under the testing regs now. Can provide more detailed info if you like.

It may be necessary to go back to the doctor and take your husband with you and point out the situation re work. If you work for someone else then you are protected by law during preg, inscluding preg-related sickness; if it's a work -or-no-pay situation its naturally a bit different :s

Do have a good look at those links, specially the NICE one, and the section called Goals.

If the doctor is not helpful, then either try to get another one or ring the helpline of the site Lucinda linked in the OP; they will ring you back when you've left a message. There is an elderly, very experienced doctor there who can help you get meds.

mrsb87 Wed 12-Feb-14 13:13:39

Just looked and the other drug is prochlorperazine.
smells is a real issue. I only have to get a waft of damp dog (I've got 3)and I've had it.
I work for a quite a large fashion company called Fat Face. I'm given a certain amount of sick pay/year but I think thats all gone by now. I will talk to my doctor, thanks Meerka.

ChaffinchOfDoom Wed 12-Feb-14 13:19:05

Hi Mrsb87 sorry you feel so crappy; the early weeks are utter hell. I got hospital at week 9 in both of my HG pregnancies, so poor you at week 6 <<twins???>> grin joking! haha.
agree you need better harder drugs, ondansatron has saved my life.

mrsb87 Wed 12-Feb-14 13:26:28

Should I still feel really sick and nausiated or should they be stopping it all together? If they should be stopping it they're doing a great job hmm

mrsb87 Wed 12-Feb-14 13:27:59

Chaffinch I had a scan at the hospital and they could only see one heart beat....she didn't rule out the possibility of another bean lurking around though!

ChaffinchOfDoom Wed 12-Feb-14 13:31:58

even the top line drugs cant quite combat the nausea, unfortunately, just stop the vomming in diff ways

avomine and similar work as travel sickness remedies, to calm balance areas of the brain... ondansatron works to stop the vom reflex in the brain, is mainly for people having chemo to stop the vomming side effect

the nausea can be partly psychological for me; when Im at work it seems less as i'm concentrating hard, maybe try and do some online puzzles/sudokus and see if you can de-focus on nausea

the other trick to banish nausea is to constantly continually nibble - salty snacks good...

ChaffinchOfDoom Wed 12-Feb-14 13:33:35

sucking barley sugar / random sweets
lollipops
ice lollies
cereal bars

livingzuid Wed 12-Feb-14 13:33:44

Hi mrsb87 sorry you are so sick. My medication takes away the sickness but not the nausea. It has subsided since week 17 but evenings are still a bitch.

And sorry, blog linky here

demonicdivas.wordpress.com/

Work in progress on the design side but today I set up a Twitter account to help promote it. I hate Twitter. I never saw the point. But there you go. If it helps one woman/man/couple then I've achieved my aim smile

mrsb87 Wed 12-Feb-14 13:43:12

Looks like I ought to go to the supermarket then! Will give anything a go.

I spoke to my mum last night, and she told me when she was pregnant with the twins she fainted she was so sick! She also told me she was really sick with me too so she has been really supportive, unfortunately she lives 100 miles away.

Meerka Wed 12-Feb-14 13:59:33

mrsb if you work for a company you are protected against the law.

from the CAB site:

www.adviceguide.org.uk/england/work_e/work_discrimination_e/discrimination_at_work_because_of_pregnancy_or_maternity_leave.htm#h_time_off_sick_for_pregnancy_and_your_sickness_record
Example
You’re pregnant and have been off sick with a pregnancy-related illness since early in your pregnancy. Your employer dismisses you because their sickness policy says you can’t be off work sick for more than 20 weeks in a row. If all of this time off was due to pregnancy-related illness, this is discrimination.

And btw:
Time that you take off sick because of an illness resulting from your pregnancy, such as high blood-pressure, shouldn’t count towards your sickness record at work. (same site, higher up the page)

I found that I felt sick no matter what meds I took, but some did help reduce it and lessen the vomitting a lot. Dunno if that's typical?

i think jen and several others kept working right up until normal maternity leave, they might have some tips

Meerka Wed 12-Feb-14 14:01:54

there does seem to be a genetic element to HG, from what I've read. And if anyone tells you it's all in your mind, you can kick them. it's not, they've swallowed the old misogynistic bullcrap from God like and incompetent consultants (is my prejudice showing?)

Hyperemesis / vomitting / nausea is actually to do with the HCG hormone. The exact cause isnt known, the effects are known all too well.

mrsb87 Wed 12-Feb-14 14:08:16

Wow this is great, thank you all so much for the info. I'm a little overwhelmed that there is so much help and support out there. I'm one of those people who are more likely to just soldier on and not get the help I'm entitled to.

meerka sorry for my ignorance but does that mean I should continue to get paid for my contracted hours regardless of whether I have any sick pay allowance left?

ChaffinchOfDoom Wed 12-Feb-14 14:08:41

ooooh twins in your family hey!! ;-)

ChaffinchOfDoom Wed 12-Feb-14 14:10:48

mrsb87 = you may need to get doctor to state on sicknotes if pregnancy related.....nb I have no idea if to do this is good or bad... you can ask in the legal issues section of MN for more clarity

mrsb87 Wed 12-Feb-14 14:31:29

Haha chaffinch yea twins in the family! Not scary at all!

calamityjane1 Wed 12-Feb-14 14:37:20

Thanks everyone! I wish I had discovered Mumsnet and this thread a bit bloody sooner. It seems so odd looking back, what I actually survived on. Dear God.

Laughing at the pissing on a volcano comeback –wish I'd thought of that.

One of the most irritating things was "Oh, you're having a girl, then" (I already have 2 boys and breezed through both previous pregnancies.) Have had numerous extra scans this time and so can now thanks to a kindly sonographer reply with a smug smile and say that it is another luvverly boy. Not that I've anything against girls, of course. It was the assumption that got on my tits.

Chaffinch I am hoping for a birth that is over as quickly as possible without being too quick if you see what I mean. My last was 2.5 hours start to finish, and this time I have strep B, which means I need to travel an hour to a consultant led unit. For ages, they told me I would just have to "pop the children in the car and come down at first signs" but baby is measuring big now so I think they will agree to an induction and my kids will be spared the experience of seeing their mum in the transition stage of labour in a car.

Can't believe I've actually begged for an induction but there you go!

elizabethsmum Wed 12-Feb-14 14:41:21

Hi mrsb really sorry you are having a bad time. Of all the meds i was on unfortunately none could take away the 24 hour nausea that i had (although it gradually improved) once the dehydration was delt with, with iv fluids, the sickness did improved for a few days although i did unfortunately have several admissions before it was brought under control.

sorry i am not very good on sick leave regs- i was lucky to be working in the nhs at the time so did get paid. It certainly will help you to have this week off to try and recuperate as tiredness/stress will make it worse.

i struggled to work on and off through my first preg and in the end my employer suggested maybe if i had a later start and wasn't rushing to get in and just made it in when i could- which really helped take the pressure off. I couldn't have managed this in my second preg (twins) as hg was truely awful and i had 10 weeks off sick. I really feel for you as i am now freelance and this would not be possible. Is your employer sympathetic- reduced or more flexibl hours a possibility at all??

Also my hyperemis in both pregnancies was counted as one 'episode' of sickness by my employer so although my sick leave was sporadic and involved multiple sick notes, for legal purposes it was counted as one episode.

Sending big hugs xxx

elizabethsmum Wed 12-Feb-14 14:54:47

Sorry not sure where you stand with actually getting paid for sick pay. I think that any sick leave relating to pregnancy cannot be counted against you in your sickness record with your employer but sorry not sure about the pay element of it. Am sure someone else would know. Could post in employment issues section?

mrsb87 Wed 12-Feb-14 14:59:12

Thanks elizabeths mum, luckily my manager has been very supportive and insisted I have this week off. I will try and get a doctors appointment tomorrow (tried ringing just now and they're not open til tomorrow morning?!) To talk about meds and work. Fingers crossed they will have some answers for me!

like I said my manager has been supportive...this did wind me up a little bit. I told her on friday I was pg as I was struggling at work and feeling so shit, all she kept saying was "it'll pass". Yes very helpful thanks but it doesn't help me now does it?!

Hey all

Does anyone know if there's an hcg peak or increase at 19-20 weeks? I'm at the stage now and thought I was getting better but this past week I'm back to incredible nausea and sickness.

PunkStar Wed 12-Feb-14 15:37:15

MrsB
Understand your work situation. I've not worked for three months now and I'm self employed so no money from anyone (I'm spending the money that was supposed to be my maternity leave money-oooops!!)

It depends on your contract, you should be entitled to statutory sick pay at the very least but every employer is different. My OH works for the NHS and gets six months full then six months half pay!!!!
I've arranged to work one day per week in March, consultant seemed dubious and pretty much said it would be tough but happy for me to try.
That's another idea, if you do consider working, sick notes are now called 'fitness to work' notes and your GP can add limitations eg reduced hours, restricted duties (if for example there was anything at work that would make your condition worse, they could even specify rest periods!) just something to think about if time off is not a possibility. There is no way I could have worked, even now would be a bit hellish but fingers crossed for March. At least I'm off for a week in between work days,

The bloody nausea, it's worse than the vomiting. I'm now 23 weeks and still get runs of terrible nausea. In fact in four months I have never been nausea free for a single second. Prednisolone has suppressed it to a level where I can eat though :-)
Strange Dizzy I had a pretty good run around week 18 for a few days then it went downhill again for me too.

Living
Twitter!!!??? Good work.,,I think I have an account which I've never actually used. Maybe I should investigate and follow! Will check out da blog!

Anyway this week is half way so technically it doesn't count anymore so I'm more 24 weeks than 23. I also apply this logic to months, so once we are halfway through Feb it no longer counts and I only have three months of this sodding thing left. Cock, piss, partridge!!'

That makes me feel better Punk. About a fortnight ago I was feeling a lot better but now just back in the routine. Nausea and vomiting and gagging at the thought I things.

livingzuid Wed 12-Feb-14 16:26:04

I got overexcited at the Dutch winning another gold skating medal and nearly puked on the poor dog who was curled up next to me. Have to go to in laws now for dinner and walk the dog. Why don't I have a garden?

punk I am quite enjoying Twitter and chaffinch found me grin I think I get information overload!

Sorry to all who are feeling vile today, will post more tomorrow.

Meerka Wed 12-Feb-14 17:02:32

dizzy in my first preg I had steady severe n + v until week 21 when it very, very slowly but steadily began to improve.

This time it was more erratic. I actually -started- to improve around week 12 this time, though the weight loss (around 12 or 14 % of my bodyweight) def puts it in the HG bracket. It was complicated by something else but the nausea came and went in several-day waves. Plus the odd day of total relapse <remembers one dreadful monday>

mrsB im not a lawyer so I can't answer for sure but that seems the very clear implication of the law. You get your normal sickleave, but preg-related sick leave is on top of that. Have you got a union or is that a silly questoin?

Your best bet actually is to sit down and talk with your manager (very glad she's supportive!) and lay out that it might get better, but it is possible given the severity of it so far that it will be the full blown HG, and plan how to handle it. Is there any possibility of working from home with your sort of work? or as Elizabeth'smum suggests, going in later?

She might not be overhappy at first but it will give her more chance to plan and cope with the situation. And if your nausea and vomitting does pass early, then great =)

ChaffinchOfDoom Wed 12-Feb-14 20:02:18

yep Im sure someone suggested in an earlier version of this thread to print out some HG info for your manager if needed :-)

hope everyone in safe from this weather the news sounds very bad sad

LucindaE Wed 12-Feb-14 20:12:46

Hello, Everyone my PC - well, of course, I am not lucky with IT - went down for a bit in the gale force winds following a power cut. I can't better that advice for mrsB87 about work and sexual descrimination and meds from Meerka Chaffinch elizabethsmum and Everyone. MrsB I'm glad your mother symapthises, even at the distance. Good luck with doctors and meds.
Livingzuid I will definitely have a look at your blog. Great idea.
Punkstar and somedizzy I wonder if it's connected with hormonal surges or some such? I hope there is another period of improvement for you both.
Jen's baby due in three days...
CalamityJane I wish you had joined us earlier, this is a dismal thing to face alone.
Possibly one of the silliest ever comments said to anyone on here: have you ever thought of changing your diet? [anger]
Apologies to anyone rudely ignored. Lots gone on in my absence!
xx

petitlapin1 Wed 12-Feb-14 22:55:46

Hahaha, "have you ever thought of changing your diet?"
Yes, weekly! I changed it to mashed potato and mild cheese this week, last week was dry toast and ice lollies!

Somedizzy I guess it's different for everyone again. I was worst 11-16, better 18-23 weeks, very bad few days at 24, now back to the same middling severity of 17 weeks. It's so unpredictable!

GP was lovely today, another new looking one only a couple of years ahead of me career wise at a guess. When I told her where I worked (it's a well known hellish ward!) she asked how long i'd like a note for and didn't blink at giving me a full month. Fab.

First perinatal psych appointment in the morning. Irrationally nervous- I hope they dont say "It's all the HG, we can't help"!

Tallyra Wed 12-Feb-14 23:37:35

Good luck lapin. I was referred to the mental health team (normal, not perinatal) and all they said was 'that sounds like a reasonable explanation, we can't help.'

jenpatnim Thu 13-Feb-14 00:42:27

Hey! Matthew was born Wednesday morning at 11.10 am. It was a bit tricky, you really don't want to know, but we're both fine and staying in hospital until Friday. When I get home I'll work out a picture.

He weighs 8lb7oz and is gorgeous!!

livingzuid Thu 13-Feb-14 07:00:35

jen!!!! Congratulations! Hoe are you feeling? Hg free?! grin

livingzuid Thu 13-Feb-14 07:01:18

How not hoe stupid phone

Meerka Thu 13-Feb-14 07:53:41

jen! fantastic! big grats to you and other half. Hope you and Matthew are feeling good and getting to know each other all over again, now he's on the outside =)

Has the n + v cleared up ? smile

mrsb87 Thu 13-Feb-14 08:23:26

Congratulations jen!

Back to the docs this morning to see what I can do about work and hopefully some stronger meds! On form again today, had a bit of juice to take the cylizine and half an hour later that was it sad

LucindaE Thu 13-Feb-14 08:54:02

Jen Lovely, congratulations on Matthew grin thanks thanks winecake I am so happy for you! Very tactful of you about birth details, but I for one do want to know what sort of birth it was - but I'm not facing one myself...I do so hope you feel better already?
Mrsr78 Good luck at doctors.
xx

ChaffinchOfDoom Thu 13-Feb-14 09:19:14

hooray Jenn!! congratulations he sounds like a belter grin

well done to you X thanks

PunkStar Thu 13-Feb-14 10:42:29

Huzzah Jen!
Big congrats on birth of Matthew and so long HG (I hope!!)

Wishing you a swift recovery :-)

PunkStar Thu 13-Feb-14 10:55:00

Chaffinch
Woohoo think it's your turn next <green with envy>

Tallyra Thu 13-Feb-14 12:28:55

Congratulations Jen grin grin grin grin

petitlapin1 Thu 13-Feb-14 12:57:08

Well done Jen! 8lb 7... Wow...

Congratulations!

petitlapin1 Thu 13-Feb-14 13:08:29

Tallyra the normal mental health team said it was an understandable response but referred me on anyway. Perinatal lady this morning was brilliant. I've got an appointment with the psych consultant next week to discuss the possibility of meds (no thanks, not before i've had time to google them all, just some ondansetron for me) then weekly appointments with someone who gets it! I liked her when she said "I bet you're fed up of those ginger comments. I had normal morning sickness and still wanted to ram them down peoples throats!"

mrsb87 Thu 13-Feb-14 13:29:15

Hello! Been to the doctors and I will give him his dues, he was very understanding. I've been signed off work for another 2 weeks and prescribed 2 new anti-emetics. Promethazine and metoclopramide. I've been instructed to try the promethazine first and if that doesn't work try the metoclopramide.

Ordered some yarn today so I can get crocheting while I'm stuck at home!

How is everyone else doing today?

Meerka Thu 13-Feb-14 13:59:50

ever so sleepy. sleep at this stage is a bit short in supply and it does notably make the nausea (and upchucking, later on) worse. At least im lucky enough to be able to nap!

mrsb so glad you've got some better meds and that you've got an understanding doc who's up to date. Makes all the difference in the world

LucindaE Thu 13-Feb-14 14:09:32

Meerka Sorry you are so tired, and its dismal the way tiredness makes the sickness worse.
Petitlapin and MrsR That's great news, that you had a symapthetic hearing and appropriate treatment. MrsR was that a different doctor than before?
Oh dear, yes, about diet...
Waves with wings (flaps?) at everyone.
xx

mrsb87 Thu 13-Feb-14 14:16:20

Yea like we have a lot of choice is what food stays down, change of diet indeed hmm

Can sympathise with you meerka all of this is very stressful and therefor completely knackering!

Yes my doctor did say if those don't work then to just go back and he'll prescribe something else for me. Same doctor that I booked in my pregnancy with. We had a chuckle when he asked how many children I was planning on having after this one.

Iworrymyselftosleep Thu 13-Feb-14 14:37:22

jen congratulations on the birth of Matthew! I'm a bit tearful at one more of us proving that there is an end to this. I hope you recover and enjoy it all a lot more now.

I've been a bit flat recently - still puking although not as much. The hospital refusing me better / different drugs a few weeks ago has knocked me down. I can't say the prochlorperazine is actually working - it doesn't seem to stop me being sick an hour / 2 hours / 3 hours / 4 hours etc after taking it but maybe it culmulative? I've thrown my lunch and tea up the last few days and its miserable as I'm finding being hungry a huge trigger and it makes the heartburn worse.

I feel like I'm still me but that I'm trying to do everything while wrapped in a huge duvet? Like I have all these plans but every little thing is a huge effort and I get nowhere.

Meerka Thu 13-Feb-14 15:14:03

mrsb last time i saw the gyne, i asked her how quickly after the birth I could get my tubes tied.

and I mean it smile

worry ... yes, it is like that. don't underestimate the draining effect the nausea and vomitting has on you, apart from anything else the preg is heavy on the body anyway and on top of that you have the physical effects of the HG. On top of that, you have the mental effects too. Its hard but .. try not to expect too much of yourself. So yes, don't be surprised that everything is 8 x harder work than it should be.

Also, have you rung the helpline for Preg Sickness Support? Mother hen wrote it down in the OP. They can be excellent in helping you get stronger meds, up til ondansetron. They'll ring you back if you leave a message.

Iworrymyselftosleep Thu 13-Feb-14 16:22:23

Meerka I will phone them I think. I don't know what's stopping me...

Ok. I know what I want for tea (bear with me). I want an omelette n chips from the cafe just down the road. Down the road from my mum. Who lives 500 miles away. The cafe closes at 4. This is ridiculous. It's all I want. Our car is still totalled so can't really send dh out to purchase necessary omelette making equipment like eggs as I've already made him walk into town to buy a meal which I don't intend to eat. Pah.

mrsb87 Thu 13-Feb-14 17:04:22

Haha worry poor dh knows that old trick well. Ihad to make a special trip to morrisons after the docs to get chicken dippers ...birdseye ones. Nothing else will do!

LucindaE Thu 13-Feb-14 19:42:19

Chaffinch The next in line!
Iworry It'll be great if you ring them, it's so exhausting being sick several times a day.
mrsRb87 I hope the new drugs help a lot. It is extraordinary the way people seem to think that the puking is somehow voluntary...
Meerka Mother hen hopes you didn't overdo it yesterday.
Livingzuid I was very impressed with your website.
How are Star and Starry, Lauranne What and everyone@
Apologies to anyone rudely overlooked.
xx

MrsGiraffe12 Thu 13-Feb-14 20:23:36

Hi all. I'm after advice really. I've just posted my own thread but thought here may be a good place to get advice. This is what I wrote:

"I'm 10+4, and since I've been pregnant I'm being sick lots. Some days it's after everything I eat, other days I can eat but am just randomly sick and gag randomly. I've not had many days where I'm not sick at all, and I've lost 10lbs since I found out, and it's making me exshausted.

How do I draw the line between normal morning sickness and HG? "

Some days I'm not sick at all, but spend all day feeling nauseus. I'm always thirsty and my mouth is always full of dribble x

Meerka Thu 13-Feb-14 20:55:24

HI MrsGiraffe congrats on your pregnancy smile

whether it's HG or not, it sounds like you're pretty sick and nauseous.

The best thing you can do is get some meds from the doctor. The meds prescribed for serious nausea and vomitting - and loosing 10lb isn't great at all- are safe, please don't worry about that.

They will probably start you off on cyclizine and maybe Vit B6. This is the w orst time of night for me, so forgive me, but I wont find the NICE link but if you scroll up maybe the prev page or page before, the link is there. Its the governmental guidelines that all doctors are supposed to follow and it has a nice summary of how the goal is to make sure women can follow a normal life and to reduce the nausea + v.

Hope someone is along soon to help more, sorry, with hints and tips. I'll try to post more in the morning though we have got plasterers in so I might be a bit busy! Mother Hen (lucinda) will be along soon im sure.

Meerka Thu 13-Feb-14 20:57:10

btw the excess saliva is very typical of severe n + v or of HG

elizabethsmum Thu 13-Feb-14 20:57:32

Congratulations jen on your new arrival. Hope you and Matthew are recovering well.
mrsb and iworry it is so strange that grim as hg is, when you do actually have the urge to eat it is so strongly for something so specific you simply have to have it- can remember well the look on dh face when I literally had a huge tantrum because he had eaten a chicken and mushroom pasty that I had in the fridge!
mrsgiraffe sorry you are suffering. I think that hg affects everyone differently but if it is affecting your ability to function day to day, you are becoming dehydrated and have lost a significant amount of weight I would urge you to see your doctor to get checked out. They will check your urine and be able to advise you with regards to whether medication is necessary to try and bring your symptoms under control. Hg affected me differently in both of my pregnancies so it is difficult to define exactly. In both I lost 1.5 stone. First preg sick on and off all the way through (including labour) but second preg (twins) was very very sick with constant nausea for 15 weeks but then it eased. X

ChaffinchOfDoom Thu 13-Feb-14 21:01:54

ahh mrs giraffe - sorry that you're feeling pants. It is hideous.
get a doctors appointment and ask for some meds - all totally safe -
lots of links through this thread to help,
suck lollies, eat sweets, nibble salty snacks...try and sip ice cold or boiling hot water as much as you can manage
get to the chemist and buy some 'ketostix' you wee on them and they monitor your dehydration.

we're all here for support

ChaffinchOfDoom Thu 13-Feb-14 21:05:34

this pg I'm really noticing the braxtons - never noticed them in the other 2.
got a big weekend at work now, so won't be on much.

Big Love and 'Sup to the puke crew , <does sideways 'v' sign over my heart>

mrsb87 Thu 13-Feb-14 21:14:54

Mrsgiraffe sounds like you need some help, go to your doc and tell him how sick you've been and that you're struggling to get through the day. I'm now on my 3rd kind of meds, just trial and error I guess til you find whats right for you.
I found dairylee dunkers good to nibble on today (added extra of the calcium!) And fairly bland so not too offensive.
Hope that helps

MrsGiraffe12 Thu 13-Feb-14 21:56:13

Thankyou meerka elizabeths mum chaffinch of doom and mrsb87 for your kind words and advice.

I know it's silly but I've avoided doctor about the sickness/nausea till now as ive had to go for a few other reasons and I already have the high risk label plus dont like making a fuss.

I'm going to have to go through, today was particularly bad, I haven't been sick today but have felt sick all day and have belly and back ache from the retching. It's unfair really. I'm just about managing to carry on with daily life but would much rather be laid on the couch than serve coffe and muffins (barista at famous coffee bar) xx

DiddyBeth Thu 13-Feb-14 22:45:06

Hi, can I join you smile

Currently 23 weeks with my first, wish I had found this earlier ! Been great reading people having similar experiences with hyperemesis. Been off work sick since 15 weeks and am currently taking Promethazine which seems to help reduce the vomiting just wish the nausea would go away !

I am truly in awe of any women that work throughout their pregnancy with hg, I work with food and it was almost ridiculous trying to get through the shift with the smell of it! It doesn't help people at work tended to use the typical phrases that made you want to scream. Such as bloody ginger biscuits and another woman who was pregnant at work who was most unsympathetic as she has been sick once throughout her entire pregnancy and thinks I am just playing the "pregnancy card"

Thanks for giving me a place to rant :P Has been great being able read about others going through the same experiences and know I am not alone smile

mrsb87 Fri 14-Feb-14 07:35:03

Mrsgiraffe I bet working around food and especially coffee (urgh!!) Is not helpful. It's not causing a fuss if you get help from the doctor, thats what they are there for.
Welcome diddybeth, can sympathise with you on the work comments as I rang my manager yesterday to let her know about my sick note and that dh would drop it in, I got the old "oooooooh I remember all that so well" or " welcome to pregnancy" comments, great thanks for that. Im pretty sure you weren't throwing up at any given opportunity in your pregnancy! !

mrsb87 Fri 14-Feb-14 07:53:11

Mrsgiraffe I bet working around food and especially coffee (urgh!!) Is not helpful. It's not causing a fuss if you get help from the doctor, thats what they are there for.
Welcome diddybeth, can sympathise with you on the work comments as I rang my manager yesterday to let her know about my sick note and that dh would drop it in, I got the old "oooooooh I remember all that so well" or " welcome to pregnancy" comments, great thanks for that. Im pretty sure you weren't throwing up at any given opportunity in your pregnancy! !

mrsb87 Fri 14-Feb-14 07:53:57

Oops, stupid phone, sorry for the double post

livingzuid Fri 14-Feb-14 09:10:45

Hi diddybeth sorry you have suffered so much. It's not fun is it! So tempted sometimes to print out this thread and stick it under people's noses to read. Judgy judgy gets on my nerves.

To whoever posted about just 'changing your diet'. I ranted about this on the 'comments that annoy you' thread recently. I was having a chat with mum who all of a sudden announced that she'd been discussing my 'morning sickness' with my aunt, because 'you know she's a nurse don't you darling' (as if I could forget and oh by the way an endoscopy nurse so kind of the complete opposite to maternity). Apparently in the expert opinion of my aunt, the women who suffered the worst morning sickness were the ones who had the crappest diet and ice cream seemed to be the worst. So I obviously was eating crap (I had ONE KFC when I went home for Christmas as that was all I could eat that day) and 'I know you love ice cream so why not just eat healthier'.

Geeeee is that all I have to do?! Not eat ice cream! Riggght! Which I'd had once in the last four months! Thanks for the pearls of wisdom there aunt and mother! If I could have reached down the phone line and strangled her I would have.

I only hope that I don't speak to my daughter like that if she ever has to struggle with this.

Bad today, spent all day in bed yesterday trying not to be sick. Have such an acid feeling in my stomach. I tried Skittles, why would I do that sad sipping on a hot lemon again. That at least seems to take this godawful taste away.

livingzuid Fri 14-Feb-14 09:12:22

Oh and thank you all for the very nice comments about the blog smile I managed to get on the Mumsnet blog thingy too as one of their bloggers so that's good. It keeps the brain occupied for a bit.

mrsb87 Fri 14-Feb-14 09:18:29

You do just feel like strangling people. They think they know how you feel when they were sick maybe once a day in their pregnancy.
I've had a sh*t morning so far, not had anything to eat but still puking stomach aciddy stuff (sorry if tmi). Not getting out of bed any time soon

Meerka Fri 14-Feb-14 09:31:11

oh god living ..... how did you hold your temper? such ignorance! they were ok so naturally you are huh?

hope you are a little bit better <hugs>

Hello diddybeth, and similarly, total sympathy against the lack of understanding soe people have ... sometimes they mean well enough mind, but it is so tiresome trying to put up with well meaning but unhelpful comments, and worse when people think you're malingering.

How on earth you manage to work with food during this!

There's a lot of good advice o the sites that Lucinda linked in the original post and scattered throughout the thread. The nausea is really hard to squash, sadly sad but i hope you find something that can help a bit here

starrynight123 Fri 14-Feb-14 10:33:35

Hello, hello!! Sorry it took me so long to check back it - I was completely elated after the scan on Tuesday and then completely and utterly shattered (and sick) for two days afterwards. Feeling slightly more human now. Phew!

But, OMG - the scan!!!!! I had a moment of complete panic before we set out for the hospital, thinking ‘Oh my god, what if I’m not actually pregnant? What if I’ve just got some sort of awful illness?!?!’ My husband was almost doubled-up laughing at me (I gave him a dirty look). The worry only abated when the lady put the scanning thing on my belly and a baby appeared!!! It was the MOST incredible experience of my whole life and I haven’t stopped smiling since! The baby had a good, strong heart beat and was moving around constantly which was just so wonderful to see. I had been worried that being so sick and not keeping much food down would somehow harm the baby, but it was fine! I’m so happy!

I honestly never thought I’d say this, but seeing my baby on the screen, all healthy and cute (I know, I know, I’m massively biased) made the awful sickness and panic/anxiety over the emetaphobia actually worth it. (Still can’t believe I just said that!).

Since that moment, I have found the sickness a bit easier to cope with. I feel as though it’s happening for a wonderful reason, rather than happening because my body and mind are completely freaking out and unable to cope at all. It’s all a bit strange and very unusual for me, but I’m going with it because it is easier to deal with this way.

In terms of getting to and from the hospital... another epic 45-50 minute walk and it was raining heavily and very windy all the way there. Couldn’t even use the brolly because they just turned inside out. The amount of moaning and complaining coming from the dh was something to behold(!) but we made it. Once again, tic tacs and sucking on ready salted crisps, plus having the coconut water (there is something about the taste of it that makes me feel a lot better) made a big difference in helping to settle my tummy and my nerves. Also, I’ve re-discovered soft mints. Mmm... soft mints. I had to have another blood test (I really hate blood tests) but I managed to cope with that too.

Once again I have been so impressed with the level of professionalism and genuine care from people at UCLH - they have been wonderful so far and I only hope it continues.

I’ve been classed a ‘high risk’ pregnancy because of my bad anxiety disorder but also because of another medical issue (seeing a Dr in the maternity dept. about that in a couple of weeks) and the scanning lady (I’m sure there is a proper title for her, but no idea what it is!) also found a very large fibroid partly blocking my cervix. Based on all this, the midwife said that a caesarean might be best for me (never thought I’d hear a midwife say that!), but, to be honest, as long as my baby and I are safe, I really don’t care what kind of birth I have. I just want to not be sick any more and have a healthy baby!!

Phew - that was a long message, sorry!!

PunkStar Fri 14-Feb-14 10:36:02

Gaaaah. Hate the judgy comments too! Most of my family and friends have been amazing. However my SIL decided when I was 9 weeks that all I needed to do was help my self and eat all the crackers she brought around, my brother added into the mix the old 'it must be psychological, how can light and noise be bothering you?'

Repeated for the 100th time, I have Hyperemesis, I'm under a consultant and the only thing keeping me out of hospital is steroids.
Response, 'ahh but it's morning sickness under all that isn't it!'

I wanted to kick them both in the head.

FIL jumped to my defence as he and MIL had been looking after me. Hehe his way of explaining it was ' this is so bad that people feel like they are dying, It is not morning sickness <shouty voice>'

I feel annoyed just thinking about it. I know SIL was trying to be helpful but at the time I was so ill I just felt she was trivialising the horror.

Welcome new folk. Sorry you are suffering too. This is the place to get it all off your chest and get great advice too x

I've had no vomiting at all for a few days now, nausea still present but I tell you it's the fatigue currently that's bad. Feel like I'm walking through treacle. On a positive note I've got the pred down to 12.5mg now (from original 45mg!) and only feel slightly worse than the 20mg which I thought I was going to be on forever :-)

I'm going for a spa treatment tomorrow with friend. Now this is progress, no way I could have considered this a month ago.

Keep well HGers, hope the weekend gives us all a bit of respite x

LucindaE Fri 14-Feb-14 10:47:56

Welcome to MrsGiraffe12 and DiddyBeth. MrsGiragge12 You may well be dehydrated already - I so agree with others, do get an emergency dr''s appointment. Say you are unable to keep much water down. Do get some kesostix from a chemist to check on dehydration levels - sending OH or whoever out for them if necessary. I can't really imrprove on others' advice - sips of flat full sugar coke helped me a little, and nibbles of crisps, but it varies for everyone, unfortunately - I swore by IronBru, most people don't! You aren't making a fuss about nothing - this is a serious illness, not ordinary ms.
DiddyBeth You poor thing, having to work with food earlier - hideous - and people having the nerve to be judgemental. What meds are you on? Sorry you are still suffering, and I suppose you've got those kesostix already to check on things?
mrsr87I don't like the sound of that vomiting bile on meds - are you dehydrated, have you tested yet? (Flaps and clucks). Never worry aout tmi on here, everything in the way of vomiting is discussed - foam, specks of blood and all. On that, I hope nobody is bringing up brown blood, that does need a hospital visit? Happened to at least two people on this thread in the past.
Livnzuid That was me with the mention of that infuriating suggestion about a change of diet. Ice cream, in your case (laughs mirthlessly). I can't believe how insensitive and judgemental some people can be, and the aunt doesn't sound exactly sympathetic.
Great advice from elizabethsmumMeerka**Chaffinch**mrsr87 and livingzuid and Others.
What Worry Lauranne Stars Starry Somedizzy Tallyra
and Everyone how are things? Apologies to anyone rudely overlooked.
xx

LucindaE Fri 14-Feb-14 10:52:11

Cross posted Punkstar and Starry! Good news. New arrivals, Mother Hen flaps and clucks and says please please re my commnets below, get kestostix.
xx

PunkStar Fri 14-Feb-14 11:25:01

Starry
Cross posted!
Hehe I had exactly the same panic at my scan!! I mentioned it in a previous thread but I was so worried I had phantom HG with no baby!!! Needless to say there is a baby ;-)

Glad you survived the mission. I'm commonly ill for a couple of days if I do too much as well. Very frustrating.

Good news on the scan. Lovely and reassuring :-)

mrsb87 Fri 14-Feb-14 11:34:13

Lucinda do those sticks tell you if you're dehydrated? MIL and FIL have been great in looking after me while dh is working. Is it worth me asking them to get me some?

I've already ditched plan "A" as I was sick last night too so moving onto the metoclopramide. How long should it take for these drugs to take effect? I've been sick 5 times on an empty stomach this morning.

PunkStar Fri 14-Feb-14 11:59:49

MrsB
When my GP spoke to obstetrics they suggested a three day trial before review. But I read in NICE guidance that you should reassess if no response after 24 hours!

Perhaps a middle 48 hours? However if things deteriorated or 3+ ketones then you would need assessing as soon as. You can get the ketostix from a pharmacy, I'd definitely get some. I had no idea how dehydrated and starving I was at times, these can guide you. I had some improvement with ondansetron within 24 hours, with the prednisolone after just two doses I could gulp fluids with no heaving or vomiting. Boy was I thirsty and hadn't realised....it was AMAZING!!!

Your in laws sound great. Mine were very helpful through the first tri. They loved it though, they live on the other side of the country and hadn't spent much time with their grandson. Now they feel like they really know him. In fact they want to come back over and help out again!!

livingzuid Fri 14-Feb-14 12:51:07

Some of these doctors make me shock ladies I hope you get the right medicine mrsb that doesn't sound right you should be seen. When I was puking up nothing but bile I was almost immediately put on medication. Honestly, the ignorance out there, sigh.

Ah it was you lucinda smile sorry was on phone and couldn't easily check up thread. meerka you know this of course, in a country where it's almost impossible to get medicine for anything, the fact I am on antisicky tablets means I'm obviously not making it up. But obviously my mum and my aunt who puts cameras up backsides all day know better grin DH was laughing so hard when I told him what she said. My mum persists in thinking I make up illnesses, she has done for as long as I can remember. I'm convinced she thinks I'm faking my bipolar sometimes! The fact that I'm in my mid-30s doesn't seem to matter grin

punk your in laws sound fab smile and starry yay! So pleased for you! I couldn't even look at the screen when I had my scan. DH had to nudge me to tell me to look and tell me it was ok. I was convinced something had eaten my baby at 13 week scan. Actually, I can't look at the screen even now. I get scanned every 4 weeks with my consultant and will have a growth scan at 30 too and really kind of wish I didn't have to get scanned so often as it is so stressful. I also have to have blood tests every week and I HATE it too! Thank god for efficient nurses who can test us quickly smile As DH said to me today, it's worth it to make sure the baby is fine but sometimes I am just meh.

How is everyone today?

DiddyBeth Fri 14-Feb-14 13:21:01

Thanks for all the lovely comments makes me feel better knowing there is somewhere people will understand smile

Lucinda, I don't have those sticks have never heard of them before but so far have avoided any hospital visits although from reading other other peoples stories I probably should have been in a few times during the worst of it. I will look into them cause I know there are times when I feel really dehydrated which tends to make the vomiting worse but am scared to drink because it will just come straight back up.

I believe I am currently taking Promethazine which my gp recommended because my bp is low and I kept fainting after being sick so was meant to help both. It really helped during the earlier weeks when I was being sick 8+ times a day as it reduced it to only around 3x's a day. Now I tend to just have nausea and dizziness with vomiting on the bad days, hoping to return to work very soon but nervous as just the smell when I go in to hand in my sick notes makes me want to run out of there!

Also, does anyone's blood vessels pop in their face when they are sick ? I have had a blotchy face throughout from it my boyfriend very kindly told me I look like a leper ! :P

Iworrymyselftosleep Fri 14-Feb-14 13:54:37

angry just spoken to my doctor. After begging doctors at hospital for a different drug to prochlorperazine and being told very firmly that they wouldn't prescribe anything else, I finally find the right combination of words to get my go to help. Basically - anyone taking prochlorperazine - apparently it's meant to confer relief in about thirty minutes. I asked my gp how it worked - did it give relief or was it culmulative and when I explained I was vomiting 1/2/3 hours after taking it she immediately said it wasn't working. That's weeks and weeks of needless vomiting, of getting more and more down just cos a doctor at the hospital made me feel like vomiting five times a day was all I could and should expect. Trying metaclopramide now.

Top tip if medicine doesn't seem to work - ask the doctor how it works - does it reduce overall vomiting r does it give periods of relief cos if it should give periods of relief and it doesn't, it clearly isn't working.

Hello to all the new ladies. I wish us all able to eat cake as soon as possible .

PunkStar Fri 14-Feb-14 16:03:20

IWorry
That's made me so cross!!! There is no other illness where a Dr would say it's fine to vomit five times a day!!! They would do their best to relieve the suffering. What an absolute joke. There are loads of safe medications and the hospital Dr should be making you aware of them <steam coming out of ears>

DiddyBeth
A blood vessel on my eye popped after a vomit session last week. Looked really attractive. Please be careful re work...make sure you are definitely fit otherwise will make your symptoms worse. Rest is as important as the right meds....take it easy for a while.

mrsb87 Fri 14-Feb-14 16:08:18

Random craving attack...
....
Burger King. What the bejesus hmm

PunkStar Fri 14-Feb-14 16:34:44

I've been craving chip shop chips with curry sauce!
I think the idea is more appealing than the reality.

Iworrymyselftosleep Fri 14-Feb-14 18:29:52

Take it from me the idea is definitely better than the reality. I really wanted chips last night. I suffered for hours afterwards. Even after I had thrown up they tortured me with heartburn <evil chips banned in my house>

mrsb87 Fri 14-Feb-14 18:52:24

Yea it must be the idea if what it was like before this bulls**t!

Meerka Fri 14-Feb-14 19:01:32

and one day, one day, it will all be ~over~

sometimes I forget what it feels like to feel well

livingzuid Fri 14-Feb-14 19:43:17

Despersome for macDonald's but no money so I guess is a sign.... sipping madly on hot lime to try and compensate.

Can I ask a dumb non hg question? I am paranoid that my bump is not growing and the baby is not growing. Dh thinks I am being paranoid particularly as he felt her kicking today smile but I don't know. So why do they measure a bump, is there a right measurement, what size should it be, should I stop googling blush I wish I didn't have all these hospital appointments tbh. I get so stressed.

livingzuid Fri 14-Feb-14 19:43:50

Stupid phone, desperate for McDonald's. Why I dunno I don't want it normally. But some chips mmmmmmm

LucindaE Fri 14-Feb-14 20:41:19

Punkstar and MrsR87 It always seems to be the most unhealthy foods that have a chance of staying down. Nothing like a diet of coke, crisps, chips, Lucozade, jelly and ice lollies for raising eyebrows...MrsR87 I so agree with Punkstar do get them. Punkstar Is prednisolone the one you are on now? Really nice story of something really good (besides the baby, of course) coming out of someting bad.
Livingzuid You people with your sophisticated mobiles, mine is primitive..
Diddybeth I had blood vessels broken in eyes, too. Very nice, along with chalky skin, hair with puke rinsed out of it, and uncleaned teeth...
Iworry It's awful about how long you've had to suffer because of one doctor at hospital being dismissive. angry.
How is Everyone? Apologies to anyone rudely ignored.
Watch me cross post with someone.
xx

jenpatnim Sat 15-Feb-14 04:48:06

Hey all, just checking in ... at nearly 5am lol

You will be glad to know the sickness is gone, and i am eating ok. Lots of adjusting to do.

Hoping this link works for a pic ...

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jenpatnim Sat 15-Feb-14 04:48:51
Iworrymyselftosleep Sat 15-Feb-14 05:00:04

jen Matthew is gorgeous! I needed a reminder of why we're doing this tonight - sometimes it just feels like I'm sick for no reason (15weeks so no kicking, moving baby yet - in the wee small hours, I begin to wonder if I'm actually pregnant at all).

And he is beautiful. Thank you flowers

livingzuid Sat 15-Feb-14 05:06:20

Oh jen he's gorgeous! So glad you are better from the hg. How are you with everything else?

6am here smile

LucindaE Sat 15-Feb-14 08:50:22

Jen He is lovely smile, and an encouragement for everyone suffering at the moment. Glad you're feeling better.
xx

PunkStar Sat 15-Feb-14 08:51:49

Living
Maybe you have über abdo muscles keeping bump in place!
They usually start measuring fundal height from 20 weeks, supposed to grow 1cm per week to match gestation so at 25 weeks bump should be 25cm from pubic bone to top of bump. Three different midwives said mine was fine last preg then when I was at a different hospital they had a right flap saying so was tiny....a recent growth scan had shown him to be a right chunk though so it's not that accurate but can help as a guide. If your bump is off then you should get a scan...
Position of baby can affect size....maybe you could see midwife to put mind at ease? Hope size okay :-)

Congrats Jen
What a beautiful baby boy. Glad the HG has gone. What a relief.

Lucinda
Pred is the only med I'm on for HG,started it at 8 weeks and was able to stop ondansetron a week later. It's been a wonder drug, although not so wonderful that I ever felt well or nausea free. Working the dose down currently, sometimes successfully sometimes with setbacks but down to 10mg today!!! Might be off it in a week or two :-)

mrsb87 Sat 15-Feb-14 09:28:26

Morning all, posting from bed. Dh decised to try an experiment. On me today. He thought maybe if I take my meds at like stupid o'clock (4am) they might get a chance to work before I puke. Just had a piece of toast. I hope it works because I actually managed to eat and enjoy a fair bit last night on metoclopramide. Taking myvtime now as I really really don't want to puke!

LucindaE Sat 15-Feb-14 11:10:52

MrsB87Good luck with the experiment - it'd be great if it worked.
Punkstar Good luck, too, with cutting down on the meds.
I hope nobody has had a chimney come off in these storms, as Melangeatrois*(then NitNatNaboo) did when lying in bed ill with this on a former thread.
xx

mrsb87 Sat 15-Feb-14 12:05:21

Nope didn't work, still puked. Definitely an improvement on these so far though.
In other happy news I've just had my booking appointment and scan date through in the post! 7th and then the 21st march. Finally something to look forward to grin

Meerka Sat 15-Feb-14 13:52:59

jen what a lovely, lovley little boy! he is beautiful smile

How are you doing yourself now?

LucindaE Sat 15-Feb-14 17:05:45

Mrsr87 Ah, that's a disappintment - but I'm glad there's an improvement on the meds.
MeerkaIsn't he an angel?
xx

petitlapin1 Sat 15-Feb-14 17:45:28

Aww, Jen, he's gorgeous! Makes the vomiting worthwhile (says me having a good day with only 2 bad nausea episodes so far and no vomiting! I have such a short memory...)

Anyone tried popcorn? I'm off out to the cinema for the first time since getting pg and wondering whether to risk it?

Mrsb87 I tried setting an alarm on work mornings to see if it worked but unfortunately it didn't for me. I found accepting the morning vomit, getting it done a.s.a.p in the morning then straight away taking the meds worked best for keeping them down. Still not mastered it though...

Living My bump changes size from hour to hour depending on where baby is. Is goes from a solid "look at my beautiful bump" to a squidgy "I ate all the Christmas puddings, honestly I am pg!" bump. The uterus itself is always a similar size though throughout the day, within a couple of cm. smile

ChaffinchOfDoom Sat 15-Feb-14 20:16:20

hello all.
Jen - Matthew is delicious :-) such a happy little baby face god love him. Hope you're feeling better and better.

gentle bump bumps to each and every one of us. gawd bless us, every one.

Who wants to trade lives with me? Having a horrible attack stuck at a restaurant for MILs birthday.

Sat in toilets as no point going outside just to have to come back confused

Hoping we can leave soon!!

mrsb87 Sat 15-Feb-14 20:51:15

Oh no somedizzy sad how awful for you. Can't you get dhbto get someone to help you out?

ChaffinchOfDoom Sat 15-Feb-14 21:28:16

oh poo, dizzy
deep breaths. is anyone coming to rescue you??

DH took me home hmm yet another fail in a long line of fails when it comes to trying to go out lately!

Iworrymyselftosleep Sat 15-Feb-14 21:53:05

Oh dizzy poor you. It's really frustrating, wanting to do stuff and finding something so normal is beyond you. I've given up shopping pretty much - I tend to stay home now as public vomming is something I'm almost phobic about. I hope you got bucket loads of sympathy from extended family.

Iworrymyselftosleep Sat 15-Feb-14 21:55:48

Oh and toothpaste. I have a toothpaste rant. DP bought new toothpaste. Innocuous. Normal silver box. Started brushing. Threw up in horror. It was lemon when I was expecting mint. Bleh. No warning anywhere except for a yellow swoosh - I'm even more put off toothbrushing now...

livingzuid Sun 16-Feb-14 03:21:37

Thanks punk and petit smile I am being silly and oh I wish I had uber stomach muscles I just look like I have an enormous beer belly as I am carrying very low although all is in the right place. I'm just being paranoid I think as the baby has been grooving away these last couple of days.

dizzy that sucks sad but so glad you made it home. This illness really takes its toll be very nice and gentle with you lots of bed rest.

worry I chuckled in sympathy at your message. Dh thought he was being helpful in buying me a pepper to eat the other day. After some dry retching I wanted to thrown it at him. Bless them they do try hard just sometimes in the wrong direction! But lemon toothpaste? Ewww!

mrsb87 Sun 16-Feb-14 08:57:13

Who on earth uses lemon tooth paste...ew! What a nast shock.
Wish me luck ladies, I'm meant to be off to a christening this morning. Already had a rough morning so I'm not feeling overly confident hmm

Meerka Sun 16-Feb-14 10:53:45

Oh dear dizzy what a disappointment, being so ill and having to leave a nice meal. Hopre you're a bit better this morning. Like living says, lots of rest and don't push yourself ...

Hope the christening was surviveable, mrsb ... nice occasion but not so good when you're sick ... Did the baby make you feel broody? smile

worry ... is non-alcoholic mouthwash any good? its horrible not being able to clean your teeth but toothpaste is about the worst thing going

living at least with preg it's obviously not as wobbly as a beerbelly :D has your tummy button turned inside out yet?

I actually managed to go swimming this morning for the first time since the HG hit 6 motnhs ago ... i was delighted. Before getting preg I'd managed to get up to doing 1/2 mile in the baths, which was a real plus after so many years with ME. I was afraid the HG had knocked me back down to only managing 4 lengths or even less but I actually managed 18. So im knackered but sooooo happy smile

LucindaE Sun 16-Feb-14 11:31:07

somedizzy You poor thing, sad I am glad you were rescued - how disappointing - anyway, pride yourself on reaching the loos, not a thing I was good at. Hugs.
Iworry I never heard of lemon toothpaste,either - it'd come as a shock. I do remember I used a bicarbonate of soda solution to rinse my teeth - I'd had a dentist who did it - and couldn't endure anything but tots' strawberry toothpaste. I rubbed it on teeth with my fingers and then a baby's toothbrush because it was small and soft hmm
Hope Everyone isn't too bad today.
xx

Iworrymyselftosleep Sun 16-Feb-14 18:58:48

Hello quick question. Just started taking metaclopramide and have an upset tummy - is this normal? Will it settle down or should I mention it to the doctor (I'm at the stage where I cringe at having to contact them again ) Also anyone else find you can't sleep with it? I'm very unsettled, had tummy ache all day and trying to decide if I'm bad enough to ask to change tablets. I don't really want to but could upset tummy be harming the baby?

See why I chose my user name grin
mrsb hope christening went well .

mrsb87 Sun 16-Feb-14 19:40:41

Im on metoclopramide too, I did a bit of research and in very basic terms is passes the food through your stomach quicker so it doesn't get a chance tc come back the other way. Ive had tummy ache and queasiness since taking them but its a lot of improvement from what I was feeling like before.

Thanks everyone the christening went well. Luckily it wasn't til 11am so I was able to get my horrid morning out of the way first. I had a few iffy moments but managed to get through it. I even had a ham sandwich and a cheese sandwich after!

Starting to really dread the mornings now, I'm wondering if thats just how its going to be or should I go back to to doctors and try something else? confused

Meerka Sun 16-Feb-14 19:57:46

worry I get very restless on metoclompramide too. skin prickles too, but mainly its the restlessness.

Food going through faster has its good side. Being preg slows down digestion, so my gyne said, and you can (and in my case have) got very bloated intestines due to slow food processing.

Some meds take a little bit of getting used to ... if the upset tummy isnt too bad, how about waiting 24 hours and seeing how it goes? i cant imagine it would be dangerous for the baby unless you have rampaging diarrhoea.

mrsb Its worth mentioning to the doc next time you see him. Know exactly what you mean about dreading the next time the nausea usually hits ..

I think a lot of us dread each day coming, until the nausea begins to lift.

fl0b0t Sun 16-Feb-14 20:08:03

Hi all. It's been a while since I've been here but wanted to see how everyone is and ask a question. My lovely boy is now 5 months old and the relief of not feeling so bloody awful any more when he was born was so epic.

But the last few weeks I've been feeling really ropey.. not pg (only dtd once with condom and ebf and on depo injection) but I've been feeling that hideous greyness and indescribable bubble in my tummy. Could it just be exhaustion? my lo is not a sleeper! Any idea what else itcould be? Is such a distinctive sickness, unlike tummy bugs etc. ...

Iworrymyselftosleep Sun 16-Feb-14 21:20:52

Thanks meerka and mrsb I'll give it a few more days and see how it goes. I definitely dread the nausea. It's just so relentless - when it hits it takes over. The nasty taste in my mouth is bothering me today too (I'm whiny today!)

fl0b0t I've heard of sickness lasting after giving birth but not so much about it returning but not much surprises me about the persistent ways HG can affect you. You're right it is distinctive - I felt sick way before I got a positive test and put it down to a chemical pg as I felt so definitely pg sick with negative tests. For peace of mind Poas? It would reassure you if nothing else but it does sound like you took lots of precautions!

Meerka Sun 16-Feb-14 21:33:24

hello fl0 .... real deep exhaustion can make you feel really ill yes and drain all the colour out of life. I found after the first HG preg, I would get brief bursts of the same sort of nausea if I was utterly exhausted but compared to the misery of permanent sickness during the preg I didnt mind mostly, though it did give me flashbacks now and then. If your whole system is drained from no sleep it really affects you so badly and can screw with your hormones quite a bit so it's not all that surprising if you get a touch of the nausea and vomitting again.

If you're dead certain you're not preg it could well be exhaustion. But maybe worth checking with the doc just in case? alos, is there any chance you could get a break for 2 or even 1 nights .. husband looking after parents, in laws or something? then you going to stay with a friend or even a hotel?

ChaffinchOfDoom Sun 16-Feb-14 21:49:38

or a simple bug, Fl0 , there's lots of wintery bugs about. Hope you feel better soon.

elizabethsmum Sun 16-Feb-14 23:39:11

Hi all

glad you managed to get through the christening mrsb I think the worry attached to getting through any sort of event can make hg even worse ime. I remember trying to organise my sister's hen night from my hospital bed! (I even managed to make some of it thanks to my sil who is a dr and the injections of cyclizine- although I drew the line at going to a nightclub! ;)

meerka you must feel amazing after managing to go swimming. It is so nice to regain a bit of normality!

f10 sorry you have been feeling rough. I don't really have any experience of such distinct symptoms after pg although have def felt horribly sick when exhausted. Hope it passes quickly.

iworry yes think metachl is to do with increasing digestive transit time. Unfortunately it didn't really help me so I am probably not much help!

Beautiful photo jen hope you are getting on well. Such a gorgeous reminder of why what we have all been/through/ going through is so worth it eventually xx

Hope everyone else is doing as 'ok' as you can xx

big hugs to all and waves frantically to lucindae who I keep forgetting xx

Meerka Mon 17-Feb-14 08:30:21

hehe yes it was amazing smile so encouraging. Paid for it later in upchucking, but worth it! was so pleased the chlorine smell didnt bring on the vomitting there and then and delighted that apparently, I've not lost as much condition as expected.

elizabethsmum Mon 17-Feb-14 09:01:08

Result! I think I managed to swim once or twice- always a worry re upchucking in pool and having disgruntled fellow swimmers having to leave pool whilst decontaminated wink

mrsb87 Mon 17-Feb-14 09:54:20

Morning smile
Meerka thats awesome that you made it swimming and enjoyed it! Used to go swimming and a class before this and I'm really missing it. Cant wait to get back to some kind of normality.

Having a rubbish morning again. Sick twice despite not eating anything. Evenna few sips of water didn't stay down. Rang the doctor for an appointment but nothing til tomorrow.

livingzuid Mon 17-Feb-14 10:12:33

meerka yay! That's so encouraging. And well done mrsb on the christening. All encouraging signs smile

Well last weekend I ran a market stall with dh! Saturday and Sunday I was so pleased. Granted Saturday I nearly vomited on the way home and was asleep by 8 but it was so nice to do something positive rather than battle nausea all day. 24 weeks now and counting down. I figured out I will be in my last trimester soon wow.

And I had a burger king yesterday but it wasn't nearly as good as I hoped. Maybe UK burger king is better - the onion rings are that's for sure! The mahoosive diet coke was awesome though. I forgot how it just stopped my nausea and sicky taste dead. Been trying to stay away from stuff like that.

How is everyone this Monday?

livingzuid Mon 17-Feb-14 10:15:58

Oh mrsb sad I take my pills last thing at night and when I was at my height it seemed to keep me going most of the day. I had the option of taking another one first thing in the morning as well if needed and I did that when I was working. The good thing at night is they a) kept the worse of the sickness and nausea away so I could sleep and b) I didnt puke them up the next morning. Something to discuss with your Gp?

livingzuid Mon 17-Feb-14 10:17:55

Oh and I have hospital again today more tests. Get my liver results which hopefully will be back to normal. Yawn. Tired! Going to shower then head back to bed until I need to get up grin

mrsb87 Mon 17-Feb-14 10:23:09

Yea thanks living, I will mention it to them tomorrow when I go in. I've tried a few different techniques, taking meds last thing, taking meds at 6.30am, 6am and 4.30am (not the same day obvs!!)to give them chance to work and nothing has worked. I wake up every morning feeling like I've been spun on a roundabout at the park all night. By about 12/1ish I start feeling more human again and can start eating.

livingzuid Mon 17-Feb-14 10:29:58

And meerka my belly button is still in but definitely much more shallow! I'm hoping it stays that way. Have a few stretch marks too sad no amount of moisturising seems to have prevented that. It could be worse though.

mrsb87 Mon 17-Feb-14 10:43:12

Fingers crossed your test results come back ok livingzuid x

livingzuid Mon 17-Feb-14 11:14:05

Thanks mrsb I hope so I just I'm on antihistamine based and B6 medicine and don't know what the equivalent is in the UK. So perhaps there is an option of increasing your dosage but don't know. Are you able to keep food and drink down in the afternoon?

petitlapin1 Mon 17-Feb-14 11:15:25

meerka I like swimming too. On the not so awful days I can manage half an hour before the nausea kicks in. I'm so glad the chlorine smell doesn't seem to be a trigger.

living Ooh, living on the edge- showering on a leave-the-house day! I'm still finding showering a particularly traumatic trigger. Post-mix diet coke is a massive hit here too. Not the bottles, nor the cans, only the stuff out of the machines. I swear that's what's keeping me out of hospital on bad days!
Also, good luck with the tests today.

mrsb I dread mornings too. So much so that I lie in bed for them whenever possible. If I delay getting up till the afternoon I vomit less, and sometimes avoid the morning bile run.

Considering asking the consultant for some ondansetron next week, but not sure as i'm managing OK with the metoclopramide when itvstays down, it's just the horrid nausea. Any downsides of ondansetron ladies?

Meerka Mon 17-Feb-14 11:27:14

oh gl with the tests living ... and wow at managing the market stall all day smile

mrsb i hope the doc can help tomorrow, give you something else that might help more

Keep looking at the pic of Jen's baby ... so lovely

Meerka Mon 17-Feb-14 11:29:40

petit I think others here took it for longer than I did, so they know more. The main downside I know of is awful constipation, some people ended up taking movicol ( a gentle but effective laxative). But it was worth it to reduce the N + V.

I ddint take it for long, but tbh found that nothing helped much with the nausea sad But it's worth trying!

Ruggle Mon 17-Feb-14 12:28:38

Hi everyone

I was on here a few weeks ago as I'd been throwing up about 6 times a day, and had been prescribed cyclizine. I managed to survive without taking any (having been advised by a pharmacist to avoid if at all possible, and backed up by my fear of reacting to medication which I've done in the past). Anyway, I am still throwing up 1-3 times a day, but I had been prescribed vitamin D tablets as my levels are very very low, and after taking one I ended up vomiting 6 times that day again. Is anyone else finding vitamins make them worse?
I'm now 14+3 and suffering from nipple shocks! I'm not sure what's worse...that or the vomming!!

livingzuid Mon 17-Feb-14 12:32:36

Me too petit isn't it strange, tap diet coke only. In fact I'm going to treat myself to one this afternoon after the doctors!

Meerka Mon 17-Feb-14 13:04:43

Ive heard of bad reactoins to some vitamins, im afraid cant quite remember if vit D is one of them .. but it sounds like you need it.

Im afraid pharmacists and many doctors trot out the party line about no meds but if you actually look at the studies, and they are mostly free on the net, there is no adverse outcome to taking the recommended meds. If you've had a severe reaction to one med, then yes ones like that shoudl be avoided but that wasnt the case for you and cyclizine was it?

I do note that pharmacists and many doctors tend to forget that dehydration is bad for the foetus and so is high levels of the stress hormone cortisol. A more balanced, rational approach that takes into account the actual person they are treating would be lovely.

Anyway, more importantly, have you got Ketostix to check your dehydratoin levels? those -are- really important. If your vit levels are low, that's kind of worrying too, have they tested for them all? it might be worth askign for a full vitamin levels check, if they do such a thing

PunkStar Mon 17-Feb-14 13:28:41

Petit
I didn't get on with ondansetron, the constipation was horrendous and seemed to make the nausea worse, however I had no other real problems with it. Once I'm off pred I'll probably use it if I'm having a vomit day but it didn't help the nausea at all while I was taking it. I do think it's worth trying though, it's the best anti-emetic I've used.

LucindaE Mon 17-Feb-14 13:37:57

Flob0t Lovely to hear from you, I remember you well, you kept on working somehow and even using public transport, though fainting sometimes...I've never come across this, as others say, it can linger a bit after birth, but I 've never heard of it going altogether and then returning unless the women is pregnant again, but in your case, surely that's unlikely using all that birth control? Really sorry you feel so bad. What Meerka says about exhaustion with a sleepless baby sounds like an excellent suggestion, I had a sleepless one - I used to feel tearful at times - I wonder if it's worth enquiring of your health visitor about sleep clinics? I think you can train a baby to sleep from six months, so if you booked a place now, you could at least look forward to that. They may have changed the technique since so long ago when I used one.
Interesting, Livingzuid and Others about diet coke, it was full sugar coke for me - and flat - trust me to be awkward.
All these swimmers here -very energetic and brave too.
mrsB87Sorry you're having such a bad morning, good idea to see doctor about new meds. I wonder if using up energy might have made things worse? It's so unfair, but even attempting to do normal things like attending the christening can exhaust you. and really feel for you and petitelapinparticularly about the bile run.
Iworry How is the stomach today? (silly question, but I mean about the aching).
Chaffinch You must be on the home waddle now, as a 'home run' doesn't exactly seem an appropriate term.
elizabeth'smum Waves back (grin). It's lovely to have you, don't worry about mother hen.
Apologies to anyone overlooked.
xx

LucindaE Mon 17-Feb-14 13:40:13

Punkstar I knew it! Cross posted! grin.
xx

starrynight123 Mon 17-Feb-14 14:47:04

punk, livingzuid, LucindaE - thanks!! I’m so glad it went well; helped my confidence no end.

punk SO funny we had the same anxiety beforehand about potentially not being pregnant!!

livingzuid - how awful to have to have bloodtests every week... I hate them too and I’ve got a whole load of bruises on both arms where they have taken blood (had to try a couple of times to get to a good enough vein. Sorry, tmi!!!)

Interesting to hear about the toothbrushing/toothpaste experiences. I know this is gross, but I couldn’t brush my teeth for about 3 weeks because it just made me sick. I tried mouth wash, but same effect. Stupidly, I bought a clove-flavoured mouth wash thinking it might be better than mint. Oh dear god no. It really wasn’t. Horrid. Even the thought of it makes me shudder. So, I just try and rub them with strong kitchen towel, or my finger with a tiny bit of mild minty toothpaste, always wash my mouth out with water and also suck on sugarfree mints, and chew gum when I am able to.

I came across these and thought some women might find them useful:
http://www.beautynaturals.com/product.aspx?ref=TP-6700
http://www.beautynaturals.com/product.aspx?ref=TP-6702

They are ‘chewing’ sticks that people still use in lots of places. I tried a neem one once, ages ago, and it was actually quite nice. I haven’t tried these yet, but want to give them a go.

starrynight123 Mon 17-Feb-14 14:54:05

Erm, sorry, proper links might be more helpful! Btw, I haven’t tried these sticks yet, but am thinking about ordering the cinnamon ones.

www.beautynaturals.com/product.aspx?ref=TP-6700
www.beautynaturals.com/product.aspx?ref=TP-6702

livingzuid Mon 17-Feb-14 15:18:15

Liver all good. Celebrating with a trip to get a diet coke and walk in the park with the dog on this beautiful afternoon as dh has finished work smile

starry oh I know. I had a trainee nurse the other week who looked about 12 and I was like shock don't come near! Fortunately she couldn't find the vein prior to sticking in the needle so I got an experienced nurse phew. I know they have to learn but don't fancy being a practice dummy!

Iworrymyselftosleep Mon 17-Feb-14 16:09:07

petit - everything punkstar said about Ondansetron was exactly my experience too. Awful constipation, great anti emetic, heightened nausea.

Lucinda my tummy isent aching but I'm having my regular panic that it's all gone wrong. Last time I had a proper but small bump by this point. This time it isn't noticeable, probably as I'm still 5 lbs lighter than when I got pregnant - so no weight gain as such. I'm just worried it's all ended. Metachlopramide seems to exaggerate my anxiety too?

Ds is making me feel guilty by just wanting the ipad now - he wouldn't leave the house this morning to go shopping, isn't sleeping properly and we're caught in a cycle which seems to be getting worse. Inspired by swimming stories I shall take him swimming tomorrow and deal with two issues in one go - he'll sleep better and be parted from the ipad grin

Meerka Mon 17-Feb-14 16:58:35

sigh.

well the swimming yesterday was wonderful but im getting sicker again earlier. gonna have to go back to bed now (yay for the laptop a friend gave me)... crap, i hope it doenst carry on getting worse like this for the next ten weeks

mrsb87 Mon 17-Feb-14 17:41:42

Oh no meerka! Why is there always a consequence sad I too am suffering for having a good day yesterday. stamps foot like spoilt 4yr old its not fair!!

LucindaE Mon 17-Feb-14 17:46:47

RuggleSorry, I missed your post. I'm so sorry that I can't find what your first post. I think it was a bad allergic reaction? It's horrible to be throwing up three times a day. So agree with others, kesostix are a good idea to make sure you're not dehydrated.
Meerka Hugs. You poor thing. Any attempt to lead a normal life seems to be punished sad.
Iworry Hugs, too. It's dismal to be anxious and suffer this. How far along are you- surely enough for them to check on the heartbeat for you if you had a slight bump by this stage? It could be the weight loss.
Flaps a wing anxiously and leaves, clucking...
xx

LucindaE Mon 17-Feb-14 17:48:16

mrsr87 Cross posted, and so agree. No normal life allowed sad...
xx

mrsb87 Mon 17-Feb-14 20:04:34

No apparently not. I think I'm slowly going stir crazy with all this time on my own in the house...

ChaffinchOfDoom Mon 17-Feb-14 20:04:51

knackered. Have run self ragged today.]
am 34 weeks tomorrow, and the last 3 days Ive had morning vomming. never really noticed ondansatron making me more nauseus - but it's making me think. I take in before brekkie, then feel worst nausea of the day in the morning. wonder if it's worth trying to give it up? can't be throwing up all through the day though, it kills my stomach now it's so full :-/
got 3 weeks left at work, but only do approx. 3-4 days a week so not a big deal. <bravely> back been OK this pg, need to keep being careful though

I am team ondansatron, the other anti emetics did bugger all for me, was still throwing up 10+ times a day on them.
the talk of vitamins reminds me I haven't been taking my calcium! so crap at remembering that one..

Meerka Tue 18-Feb-14 07:36:54

/rant incoming

we've got a tiler in today and the bastard has been walking around in the house with a half-smoked cigar. I have had to stand outside because the smell is so damn strong it got me vomitting.

<really not happy at all>

livingzuid Tue 18-Feb-14 08:05:02

meerka dh said to say will je dat je dat niet hier roken klootzak (last word is basted he wouldn't translate you filthy bastard for me grin)

That's so disgusting. In your house. Yuk.

livingzuid Tue 18-Feb-14 08:05:24

Bastard dammit

mrsb87 Tue 18-Feb-14 08:19:58

Even the idea of it is making me queasy!! Yuk!

Still in bed....not braved getting up yet. I only went for a mid night wee a puked so I'm dreading getting up now!

Meerka Tue 18-Feb-14 09:33:32

said the rest of it, left the Klootzak off and managed not to substitute Kutzak instead <whistles> :D

Hope you're doing a bit better mrsb ... do you usualy feel better by midday?

mrsb87 Tue 18-Feb-14 09:49:46

Meerka I usually start picking up aroubd 1ish. This morning has been worse again, cant keep any fluids down at all this morning. Getting really fed up of feeling sorry for myself now!

livingzuid Tue 18-Feb-14 10:30:17

meerka grin It's such breathtaking rudeness to blatantly smoke in someone else's house without even asking. That goes even beyond Dutch rudenessbluntness

Sorry you are not well today mrsb what time is your doctor appointment?

livingzuid Tue 18-Feb-14 10:32:24

Blimey chaffinch not long now. How wonderful! I too have overdone it. I feel like a kid at Christmas that gets so overexcited at the potential of having all these presents (in this case a sick free day) that I then puke at the end of it after wearing myself out.

I have started a list of food and drink in my head I can't wait to indulge in as soon as the baby is born. Wonder if they'll let me bring beer into hospital....still hankering after that Corona!

petitlapin1 Tue 18-Feb-14 11:20:56

Wow Meerka, you have my full sympathy. I'm sure everyone would understand if he were found to be hidden under the tiling...

I've just managed to get up. Mentally much better today (?ironic after psych appointment yesterday) but still had the bile run. Yuk.

living what's on your list? I've been trying to make a list for ages but it keeps changing as my aversions develop. So far is a cup of coffee, a runny egg and a slab of brie. Also all the chocolate I can find, as long as that horrid after taste has gone. Also, someone gave me full fat Pepsi instead of diet coke yesterday. Completely the wrong effect. Hmph.

mrsb have you managed to procure some ketostix? Sounds very much like you might be scoring quite high by the time you next pee...

Thanks for the ondansetron stories ladies. I don't think I really need them as vomiting is down to manageable 1-3/day +dry heaving, and fluids and evening meals staying put now. Just searching for that elusive anti-nausea pill I guess.

Lemon toothpaste, clove mouthwash... Who thinks of these things?!

mrsb87 Tue 18-Feb-14 12:00:54

Well been to the doctor and im now trying prochlorperazine. Im starting to lose the will. He asked for a pee sample and that clearly wasn't going to happen! So if I dont pee by 8pm tonight its off to the ooh docs again. Really not coping with this at all well. All you lovely ladies have been coping with this horrible illness for a lot longer than me, I feel a bit useless sad

LucindaE Tue 18-Feb-14 12:02:16

Oh, dear, everyone, mrsb87 I so agree with Petitlapin testing needed,if you don't have the kesostix, is your skin dry, head aching, vision a bit blurry? Mother hen says bossily you need new meds, as these aren't doing their job.
Meerka That lack of consideration on that man's part leaves me speechless!
Chaffinch I have heard some people say that they did find the Ondansetron made them more nauseaus, while not puking. That's a horrible choice, you poor thing.
xx

LucindaE Tue 18-Feb-14 12:04:35

mrsb87 I just cross posted, oh dear, if you can't pee you are very dehydrated, I'm glad they're monitoring it, I think unfortunately it might be IV needed. Gentle pats on offer, you could well be at the worst stage, how many weeks did you say you are?
xx

mrsb87 Tue 18-Feb-14 12:10:27

I'll be 8 weeks on thursday Lucinda

Orry for thebwinge everyone

mrsb87 Tue 18-Feb-14 12:11:09

Oh god I can't even type anymore, that was meant to say sorry for the winge everyone

Meerka Tue 18-Feb-14 12:13:24

you're not in the slightest bit useless. You're incubating a baby and you've got a hellishly horrible disease, HG, and you're keeping going and doing everything you can.

The best available advice is that people rest a lot and get the right meds. Im glad that the doc seems on the ball and is monitoring you.

Please be gentle on yourself, its so easy to feel bad about it but it's absolutely not your fault and you're not useless.

Meerka Tue 18-Feb-14 12:14:10

and ... almost every one of us here has whinged. You need to sometimes. It's bloody awful, feeling like this, and letting it out now and then helps.

<hug>

mrsb87 Tue 18-Feb-14 12:40:32

Thank you, I do feel like I should be rehydrated as I feel rough as a badgers arse. Need to wait til 8 before I can do anything about it though. No ketostix, I havn't been out unless its to the doctors and then I forget. And I keep forgetting to get dh to pick some up.

livingzuid Tue 18-Feb-14 13:24:57

mrsb big hugs. Moan away, people on this thread are so supportive. Glad to hear things are getting sorted. Stay tucked up on the sofa and, if you have time, tune in to see Sven Kramer get another gold medal for the Dutch in the next hour smile

<wails> I have a job interview next month. I love the sound of the job but don't want to work until the baby is born and I will only be able to be there for about 5 weeks anyway before maternity leave. Even though it is against the law here to mention pregnancy in a job interview my bump is so blinking obvious so chances are nil of getting said job anyway. And it means a day out when I'm so comfy on the sofa and at risk of puking on the train. It has completely stressed me out. And if I say no and the benefits people find out what then? Damn. Wish this had been in August - the job is perfect, part time 3 days a week, right back in my field, in Amsterdam which is only a train ride away and I could get a nice foldy-up bicycle to get to and from the stations at either end.

What to do sad

livingzuid Tue 18-Feb-14 13:25:57

Should note I am probably reading too much into said job, it's a first interview, but having faced such discrimination being pregnant already I'm feeling a bit meh about the whole thing.

starrynight123 Tue 18-Feb-14 14:00:58

livingzuid oh no! I feel for you. If you do decide to go to the interview, is there any chance someone could go with you to the interview (as in, travel with you and wait for you in the waiting room during the interview - not go into the interview with you) to support you? Would that help at all? Surely the benefits people can't force you to take a job when you are ill and pregnant...?? Would a Dr's sick note help in this case?

It's so frustrating with jobs. My contract ends in a few weeks time and I have not been able to apply for other jobs because I've been feeling so ill and know that I wouldn't be able to make it to any interviews. Plus, I figure that when someone saw that I was pregnant and planning to take a good 6-months maternity leave, that they would think 'Er, no!'.

I am hoping to go in to work today for an hour. It's a 25minute walk to work and a colleague is away this week, so I am able to use her private office which is very, very kind of her. I asked because there is no way that I would be able to sit in my usual place in a huge open-plan office, far, far away from the bathroom. But, I was already ill this lunchtime and, frankly, really frightened of leaving the flat on my own, going to work and feeling trapped there, plus worrying about getting home... all while worrying that I might be ill again or very nauseous there alone and away from the safety of my home.

I hate this fear and this whole stupid sickness :-( I'm so completely and utterly fed-up with it all and feel angry about it too :-(

Just to make things that bit worse - when I was ill a little while ago, I lost one of my contact lenses!!!!! It must have fallen out while I was being sick. Honestly!!! And that was the last one of that pair - need to wait for my next batch of contact lenses to arrive, so currently wearing my seriously old glasses!! ARGH!!!!

MrsHende Tue 18-Feb-14 14:13:33

Hello ladies,

Mrsb has kindly pointed me in your direction.

I'm due DC2 at the beginning of October, so very early days, and feeling grim.

I had HG with my DD and, if anything, feel worse, earlier, this time round. I had a miscarriage 14 months ago so although I'm so grateful to have symptoms this time round, I just wish they weren't quite so ferocious!

I've been signed off work by the doc but no medicine yet, my plan is to call her tomorrow and see if I can get started on something.

Where do you get ketosticks from? I'm wavering between being sure I'm dehydrated to being unsure and would love to be able to check for myself.

Feeling very sorry for myself today, and so guilty about the time I'm missing with DD and DH, and the extra workload I'm giving people at work. I'm a teacher and said to the doctor last week I had been lying in bed trying to work out which of my classrooms had sinks in them and how far the others were from a loo - she told me I was ridiculous and got out her sick line pad!

Do any of you have any tips at all? I just tried some flat-ish coke, my sick bucket's an interesting colour now! Do any of you feel the need to spit? Like, every minute or so? I just feel like my mouth is overflowing.

To add insult to injury today I was washing my hands when I had to puke and in my hurry to turn round and bend over the loo I've really hurt my back and now every movement is agony as well as wretch inducing...

So sorry for the moans, not my usual cheery introduction!

Meerka Tue 18-Feb-14 14:51:56

hello mrsHende and welcome ... sorry to see you here!

You get ketostix from either a chemist or if you can't leave the house, from amazon. (got mine there). They are very cheap.

Please try to be gentle with yourself. Everyone feels guilty but HG is not a light disease, it's really heavy on your body and mind and the best recommendations of people specialised in it are 1) early meds and 2) rest. exertion makes it worse.

It often starts to improve around 15 - 21 weeks though not quite for everyone. If you can't carry on, then best is to speak to your line manager and plan how best to actually manage your absences.

Finch has a lot of good recommendations, I'm sure she'll be around soon. But have a good look at the links Mother Hen posted in the first post. Each of those has some good hints.

As for spitting, Yes that's a known and fairly common (and so annoying) side effect of HG. In fact, if you are able to it's best not to spit as it provokes more salaiva productoin, but really that is just sometimes not possible. Sometimes people keep a little cup by them with some water in and spit into that. A bad taste in the mouth is also pretty common.

It sounds like your doc is quite helpful - has she given you any meds? they are recommended by all the government and medicos who are experienced in this, a lot of doctors and midwives arent. Meds can ease the awful nausea and vomitting and really help with dehydration.

mrsb87 Tue 18-Feb-14 15:27:21

Hi mrshende!

Doesn't sound like any of us are having a great day. Thank goodness for this thread as I dont know how I'd cope without it!

MrsHende Tue 18-Feb-14 16:28:04

Thanks meerka and mrsb!

I had a wee read of the nice guidelines on one of the links on the first page and promptly called my dr for drugs! DH is on his way to pick up the prescription and also try and get some ketosticks.

Thank you for all and any advice, what a supportive bunch you are xx

LucindaE Tue 18-Feb-14 16:51:58

MrsHende Glad that Mrsb87 got you to join us - I echo all of Meerka's suggestions - chemists should have the magic sticks and I hopeChaffinch calls by to give some more, ice lollies is a good one-or the juice of tinned fruit. It seems the more unhealthy a drink is if it isn't tea, coffee or alcohol , the more chance of staying down- I found Ironbru soothing, but nobody else seems to - also ice cubes,or tepid water, weirdly enough...Teachers are too conscientious - the doctor was right, you can't work when this is in full flow, if you'll forgive the expression. Sorry you haven't meds yet, as others say there's a whole choice.
Mrsb87 Moan all you like, that's what this thread is for - how are things (dare I ask)?Are the new meds helping? If not, as you get dehurated, you can also get a bit confused, so I hope you can get someone to take you to dr's and unfortunately, very likely A and E for rehydration.
Starrynight Poor you about work - you're probably too ill to manage the fifty minutes walking either way, anyway. You mustn't be hard on yoruself with this. That's a real pest about contact lenses.
Livngzuid How infuriating about the job! Train journeys are a thing of terror, with this. Agree with Starry If you're signed off, surely they won't penalise you for not going to the interview a train journey away?
Meerka I do hope the Cigar Smoker has strolled (or **ed) off!
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starrynight123 Tue 18-Feb-14 17:09:14

mrs hende so sorry to hear you aren't well. Please be gentle with yourself - easy to say, I know, harder to do. But you wouldn't try and run around with a broken leg, ditto with this. I know I find that the more tired I am, the more nauseous/sick I am too. I completely agree with ice lollies - I find them more tolerable than ice cubes, because (don't laugh) I find ice cubes too big to keep in my mouth - feels as though I'm gagging!

I'm so grateful to have this support. When I was walking to work this afternoon, knowing that I could log on when I got to the office and tap out a message made such a difference - as did knowing there were people cheering me on.

The journey in today wasn't because I was forced to go to work - on the contrary, thankfully work and my GP are incredibly understanding and I can have the time off that I need. Plus, I'm lucky in that I can do some of my work from home when I am able to. I wanted to come in because I was starting to feel like a caged battery hen. So sick of being cooped up. I figure: if I'm ill, I'm ill. I'll have to deal with it. Yes, I'm scared of being ill in public, but I'm also so fed up of being inside all the time.

I stopped in two squares on the way in, sitting on two wet benches (joy of rain) and slowly, slowly made my way in. Head down, facing pavement, taking deep breaths, plastic sack at the ready, whole load of tic-tacs in my pocket (and in my mouth!). I honestly wasn't sure if I could do it because the nausea was so bad, but I did it. Here I am sitting at my colleagues desk in her office with a big window to the outside too. I've pretty much finished what I came in to do and will pack up and slowly head homewards shortly. I know it won't be easy, but there is no rush :-)

Thank you, thank you, thank you for all your incredible support. I don't know what I did without it!

mrsb87 Tue 18-Feb-14 17:58:49

Hospital for me, just had an anti sickness injection at the doctors so I can get some fluids in me so they can have a urine sample. Then im not sure whether I will be in tomorrow morning or later tonight. We shall see!

ChaffinchOfDoom Tue 18-Feb-14 20:20:21

Mrsb87 they'll look after you. Will never forget 1st HG hospitalization with ds1 - they referred to me as the 'high -prem' mum....was unfamiliar with the word hyperemesis so figured they meant I was high risk of being premature shock angry

hello MrsHende sounds like you have it all rolling - read the NICE guidelines of recommended treatments pre-doctor apt if you can; as some of them are a bit medieval and seem to enjoy our puking a bit too much wink

add some survival items into your handbag - double bagged carriers or freezer bags to puke in.. an assortment of sweets Willie Wonka would be proud of - whatever catches your fancy - lollipops, sherbert lemons.. our own Lovely Lucinda enjoyed the retro barley sugar... but the foxes glacier fruits.. fruit mentoes, all good. if cereal bars catch your eye they are also good nibble fodder
once you have the extreme pukiness dealt with by drugs the trick is not to feel too hungry

agree rest up, bugger the housework, revel in your lie-ins, and it helped me to have a massive tick off calendar so I could see the weeks passing

great advice from the Vom Team already, good work people!