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Talk to me about an episiotomy...

(42 Posts)
PotatoPolly Thu 23-Jan-14 12:59:43

DH came home from work and said that he'd been discussing this with his mate (why?!) and that the friend said that his wife had refused an episiotomy and ended up with an EMCS mid way through the birth.

The reasoning was that the skin would never, ever heal properly and would be prone to opening for the rest of her life.

Don't want to scare myself with Dr Google, so any opinions on this please? I want to make an informed decision!


ChaffinchOfDoom Thu 23-Jan-14 13:02:12

haha that's bollocks - it's one of the most common procedures in the world; I had one and tore as well and my bits have never been better! grin

TheNumberfaker Thu 23-Jan-14 13:03:45

Well I had an episiotomy with DD1 and that healed perfectly. DD2 came out so quickly I had a really jagged tear that opened up a few days later and when I weed the pain was excruciating.
You need to watch Dara o Briain's sketch on it...

Seeline Thu 23-Jan-14 13:03:46

I had one and tore too. I all healed up fine, although was quite sore for a couple of weeks.

Hellymummy Thu 23-Jan-14 13:07:23

I had one with Babba 1 and at the tine it didn't hurt couldn't feel anything and didn't really for next few hours! It did sting a bit and bit swollen but healed perfect and wouldn't have known I had it! It's abs nothing to worry about and no big deal really!!!

RightInTheKisser Thu 23-Jan-14 13:10:48

I had one. Was annoying for a few days as there was a scratchy stitch but you'd struggle to find it now 15 months later!

It's worth noting that they cut across into the bum cheek/thigh and not straight along towards your bum. I really didn't notice mine after a week.

TheNumberfaker Thu 23-Jan-14 13:19:04

Can't find a link that will play it but it's quoted in this Telegraph link

Shellywelly1973 Thu 23-Jan-14 13:23:00

Honestly don't stress. I tore with my first dc. Was cut with dc2. Nothing with dc 3, 4 or 5.

My bits were fine, obviously healed fine & returned to full working order!

Shellywelly1973 Thu 23-Jan-14 13:23:17

Honestly don't stress. I tore with my first dc. Was cut with dc2. Nothing with dc 3, 4 or 5.

My bits were fine, obviously healed fine & returned to full working order!

FlossieTreadlight Thu 23-Jan-14 13:28:58

Cut and big tear here and my fanjo is in full, normal working order. Don't worry.

Grumbliest Thu 23-Jan-14 13:29:27

I tore but have healed well twice, you might not even tear, listen to the midwife, breath your baby out (well that's what I hoped to do but ds1 had merconium and ds2 falling heart rate..it wasn't to be)

Jemimapuddlemuck Thu 23-Jan-14 13:32:22

I had one with DC1 (forceps delivery) which took longer than normal to heal, there was some scar tissue that you could feel for about a year but nothing at all now, and I had a second DC last year and it didn't reopen, despite a big headed baby and a rapid birth. So yes your DH is talking nonsense.

learnasyougo Thu 23-Jan-14 13:33:32

had one for a forceps birth. I was scared of one, too. turns out it was no problem. stitches healed just fine, scar barely noticeable.I've had no problems with it. why does she think an epi scar is any more fragile than c section scar?

stickysausages Thu 23-Jan-14 13:34:00

Don't listen!

Madasabox Thu 23-Jan-14 13:34:52

I had one with DC1 and didn't really hurt - stung a bit. I then a couple of years later had a massive baby 3lb heavier than my first totally naturally and didn't tear or have an episiotomy.

plus my girl parts are better than they ever were thanks to much pelvic floor exercising on my part pre and during pregnancy.

so don't worry!

i had big cut and big tear. both uncomfortable for quite some time afterwards (good few weeks) but its only the tear that has caused any issues.

personally i think its mental to opt for a c section to avoid episiostomy; have you seen a c section scar?! and vaginal tissue expects to be stretched and torn so must be more elastic or whatever!

LaundryLegoLunch Thu 23-Jan-14 13:40:23

I had one and be in no doubt, afterwards it can hurt a lot. For 5 days I couldn't sit down properly. After two weeks I finally felt able to wear jeans. But all of this would be nothing compared with having an emcs.

For my two subsequent births I had small tears and healed very quickly.

Cataline Thu 23-Jan-14 13:40:23

I had to have a large episiotomy during a traumatic and rapid emergency forceps delivery. I had been insistent that I did not want one up until that point but when it became as simple as the only way to get my distressed baby out in time, I acquiesced immediately! At the time, it was fine but in the days afterwards it was absolute agony and I couldn't sit down normally for weeks. I'd agree to it again in an instant though- they don't just do them for fun!

Thegreatunslept Thu 23-Jan-14 13:41:08

I was cut I had said from the beginning of labour to anyone that would listen-please don't let me tear just cut me!
I had said it so much my dp answered yes when doc asked was it ok!
I healed well and quickly and feel no difference down below now.

HahaHarrie Thu 23-Jan-14 13:52:55

I had one with a forceps birth. Sewed me up better than before. grin The first week of recovery was a bit uncomfortable, but not unbearable. Use a sports water bottle to douse when you go to the loo.

Hopefully though, you won't need one.

Em1503 Thu 23-Jan-14 14:09:12

Ok quick (and probably stupid)
question about this but do they give you pain relief or anything before doing it? The thought of tearing or having this done freaks me out because of the pain at the time! confused

zinher Thu 23-Jan-14 14:27:44

I also had a question. When do they decide to go for episiotomy as opposed to a tear? In my head an episiotomy would be better because it would be more controlled. If you are having a water birth how do they check if you need an episiotomy or not?
(Sorry for slight thread hijack)

Seeline Thu 23-Jan-14 14:29:14

I really don't know if a I had any pain relief before they did it. I was using gas and air but that was it. It all happened so quickly, and was in pain anyway, so didn't notice anything else. They gave a local before stitching me up again.

PenguinsDontEatKale Thu 23-Jan-14 14:29:50

His friend is talking bollocks.

A well healed episotomy, just like a tear, is not prone to opening up. It will have some scar tissue, but most women don't notice it.

I tore (didn't notice) and have had one episiotomy. (EM1503 - they give you local if you don't already have an epidural normally). Both were fine.

Seeline Thu 23-Jan-14 14:30:11

They certainly use one if you need forceps or ventouse ( as in my case)

PenguinsDontEatKale Thu 23-Jan-14 14:32:07

Zinher - It is a clinical call. Routine episiotomy has been discredited (think of trying to tear a piece of fabric. Not think of cutting a snip in that bit of fabric, how much easier is it to tear it more now?). It is normally necessary for instrumentals (they need to make extra space for the instruments!) but generally otherwise they would recommend if you seem to be having difficulty with the last little bit and more space would help it happen, as opposed to to avoid a minor tear.

PenguinsDontEatKale Thu 23-Jan-14 14:32:37

Sorry, that should say 'now think' not 'not think'

dottygamekeeper Thu 23-Jan-14 14:40:26

I had an episiotomy first time round as ended up needing ventouse - they had just given me a spinal block didn't feel anything. If you hadn't had an epidural or a spinal block I am guessing they would give you a local if they decided to do an episiotomy?

Second time round I had tear, not because of the episiotomy but because (fairly large - 9lb 6) DD came out with her arm up in a strange position - I am pretty sure they gave me a local afterwards to stitch me up. I don't remember noticing the tear as it happened, there is so much else going on!

Both times reasonably sized babies, 8lb 10 than 9lb 6, episiotomy and tear all healed fine - really I wouldn't worry about it.

zinher Thu 23-Jan-14 14:49:42

PenguinsDontEatKale the fabric analogy has me covering my eyes and ears at the same time. Scary thought but makes a lot of sense.

emmac3616 Thu 23-Jan-14 14:50:49

I had a suction and forceps delivery and they asked me if I wanted to tear or be cut - I asked what the obstetrician thought and she said she'd prefer to be cut because they can control where it goes (i.e. not hole to hole!!!) - they did and it was fine - went sideways and down and was stitched up just fine. Only slight thing was I was having a water birth until the last 20mins when he got stuck and I was taken to the labour ward. As a result I had only gas & air and as it was all a bit rushed the local anaesthetic didn't have time to take effect so it was a bit uncomfortable when they cut. BUT to be fair at that point you don't care (I just wanted DS to come out safely) and it was not THAT bad (!). I would recommend - as long as you keep it clean and dry afterwards (i.e. infection free) heals very well.

PotatoPolly Thu 23-Jan-14 19:06:37

Thank you everyone! You've confirmed exactly what I thought smile

I'd rather be cut in a controlled way than tear!

Thanks again smile

I had one with ds1, after being in labour 37.75 hours, and pushing for 1.5 hours. Having it sutured was pretty sore - but I could have had gas and air - I didn't think to ask for it.

It was sore for a few days afterwards, and that first poo was scary, but it healed with no problems whatsoever, and I had no problems with it in my subsequent labours - I got a small graze - not even a tear - that didn't need a single stitch.

If I hadn't had the episiotomy, I am pretty sure I would have ended up with either a ventouse or forceps - I had been moved to the high risk labour room, so I think the senior midwife who had me moved was thinking one of those would be necessary - but having the episiotomy meant I delivered him myself.

chickydoo Thu 23-Jan-14 19:24:43

Had 3
DC 1 forceps....hideous
Dc2. Stuck.. Had to have one to get shoulders out
Dc3. Tore, not too badly small cut too.
Dc4. All ok

It is a war zone down there!! I can't see it, so don't care. DH doesn't mind one bit.

Trooperslane Thu 23-Jan-14 19:38:58

I had one. Didn't even realise it until I was being sewed up after dd arrived

Was more worried about the mahoouasive pile tbh.

Was all totally cleared up and healed ages before my 6 week check.

ChaffinchOfDoom Thu 23-Jan-14 20:33:18

the does it hurt question -- you honestly honestly do not notice it. I have a vague memory the local felt nice and cold... but that part is so exciting and wonderful and amazing, it's just lovely to push grin

ImBrian Thu 23-Jan-14 20:38:19

I have had a tear and and episiotomy. Tge tear was more painful healing but I did manage to pop the stitches on my episiotomy which was sore as hell. They just left it be and it healed fairly fast but it scared the crap out of me when I has a look down there and I had a 10p size hole split in my stitches.

MostWicked Thu 23-Jan-14 21:40:49

I had an episiotomy for my first. It healed OK in about 6-8 weeks, but it was sore and uncomfortable for a while during that time.
Second time around I didn't want another one. It was a ventouse delivery and the doctor wanted to make a small cut. I said that I would rather tear. When he was stitching me up, he said the tear was much smaller than he would have cut. It healed much quicker and better than first time.

It was my midwife who told me that tears are often easier to stitch and heal better, but there are times when an episiotomy is necessary.

EmB1715 Fri 24-Jan-14 08:15:54

Hmm I've also been told that tears heal better. Unless it's an instrumental delivery I wouldn't let them cut me. And the does it hurt question... I was so surprised when the midwife told me that I had torn, so no, you don't notice it. Not sure about an epi though. The local (which MW jabbed in about 10 places) was the most unpleasant bit!

SaltySeaBird Fri 24-Jan-14 08:19:37

I had one, it hurt at the time as I was just on gas and air and it needed to be done quickly but after DD was born I didn't even notice it. I was up and about the next day, didn't have so much as a tingle down there.

flymo79 Fri 24-Jan-14 15:42:37

am interested in the difference between having an epi and just tearing? can anyone enlighten if you should make the decision early or something?

PenguinsDontEatKale Fri 24-Jan-14 15:47:06

Fly- Not necessarily a decision to make early, no. Because you could find that you only have a tiny tear (1st degree) or a graze. Both of which are much more minor than an episiotomy.

Personally I would prefer to tear unless there were clinical concerns (see my fabric analogy below). But if you would prefer an episitomy if tearing looked possible I guess you could put it in your birth plan.

TwoThreeFourSix Fri 24-Jan-14 16:10:05

I had one, but wasn't even asked to agree (not in the UK). Didn't notice it in the slightest as had an epidural and was busy pushing! DH found it a worse experience that I did!

I was given it just a few seconds before DS came out - he was in distress and they needed to act quickly.

Stitches hurt like crazy when being done but that's because they were very badly done by a student midwife (the nurse who took them out was amazed that the student wasn't told to re-do them).

Stitches didn't hurt again after that though, until they were taken out.

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