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Hyperemesis Support

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LucindaE Mon 02-Dec-13 14:35:22

I hope everyone suffering from the Horrors of Hyperemesis will find this thread useful as a source of support and information.

There's no TMI on here - can't be by definition - and nobody should feel ashamed of moaning as much as they feel the need to.

I used to include extracts from MOH's wonderful website
but I think that makes this link less visible so am merely putting the link. The information on this site is invaluable for sufferers, with information about medications, coping strategies, hospital admissions, useful links, advice for family members, and much more.

I would like to thank MOH and Everyone who has given such invaluable support and advice on this and on previous threads.

Remember when you are at your worst, 'This Too Shall Pass'. It really will.
So many women on this thread have thought they couldn't get through this, but they did.

LucindaE Mon 02-Dec-13 14:40:06

Wow, I nearly got caught out there - looks about, clucking anxiously.

LucindaE Mon 02-Dec-13 14:50:59

Everyone I sound like a Bravissimo sales person, but here's the online link for nursing and maternity bras
Superlamb Oh dear, that was a brief reprieve!

livingzuid Netherlands Mon 02-Dec-13 15:17:11

Here! Just off to see my psychologist armed with scan pic. For weeks she was the only one to see me whilst in the living hell that was the wait to last Fridays scan so she has a vested interest smile

Nutella and bread is keeping the worst of the nausea at bay. I really don't want to get bored of Nutella though!

Thanks all of congrats too it is worth it isn't it!

Lucinda I will look. Problem is I have no idea what size I am.

eggybrokenoff Mon 02-Dec-13 19:03:02

Marking place!

Only1scoop Mon 02-Dec-13 19:07:15

Just checking in....
Living grin great news chuffed for you....
Meerka sorry to hear you so sick again....and hope its abeiting for youthanks
Hope everyone else as well as can be

ChaffinchOfDoom Mon 02-Dec-13 20:07:30

hullo. pants day today, threw up an apple at 4pm, and vommed pre breakfast.

trying to sip water but got the vile taste happening and even nibbling a wagon wheel is too much.

hope all the hyprem crew OK tonight

ChaffinchOfDoom Mon 02-Dec-13 20:09:09

ps nutella fans...asda has shape chocolate puddings x4 for £1 and the choc hazelnut flavour is exactly like nutella pudding. awesome.

livingzuid Netherlands Mon 02-Dec-13 20:41:35

only thank you, hope nuchal (sp?) scan goes OK tomorrow. Psychologist thought though given they had done so many measurements today they may well have noticed anything untoward. I'm going to have to go on my own as DH has to work waaah so a bit nervous.

AAlso nurse taking blood asked me if I use blood thinners confused so that worried me a bit. I have to do blood tests all the time and they have never mentioned it before! Should I ask tomorrow? Maybe something to do with the test?

jen how are you feeling? Can you face a home made hot lemon and honey drink or too blergh?

scheriously did you manage to get signed off for longer? It's just as stressful schelpping down to the Dr every week when all you must want to do is rest....

chaffinch super and meerka how are you feeling now? That's no good about the Apple they taste so nice but always so bad coming back up.

I woofed down a huge KFC for dinner. I thought I was going to pass out and vomit on the floor 5 mins before eating. Chicken and Pepsi max sorted me out. My Mil said that I would eat everything I would never eat and what I normally eat would be disgusting which is so far true! I really hate KFC and macdonalds, white bread etc normally! Diet coke and Nutella is the only exception grin

And I really really want salty stuff. Not sweet.

I felt dreadful earlier though was so nice to not be at work today and do things at my own pace. Had a snooze and got woken up by Mil calling that grumped me out a bit! I've crossed noodles off the acceptable foods list as well they were vile today and it took a lot of deep breathing for them to not come back up. I think I'm going to have to make use of the sick room at work which has a bed so I can rest a bit in the day. We have such an annoying receptionist though so I don't want to have to tell her.

chaffinch I will so check those out when I get home. I have every intention of stocking up on cheap supermarket stuff for me and the baby at every opportunity so I will treat myself to those! I've always had a Nutella addiction.

eggy I was good today smile I walked to and from my drs appointment and also walked 15 mins each way to meet DH after work. Admittedly there is a KFC in there somewhere but I at least walked for a bit! Ran out of breath very quickly tho walking from bus stop to hospital waiting area blush and I do have a good core fitness base - is that normal?

I'll stop rambling, heading to bed. Hope you all manage a good night's rest smile

jenpatnim Mon 02-Dec-13 21:08:40

Living - KFC has been amazing for me through this. Before, I would have maybe had one once a year but now? Bring it on. Actually planning to get one tonight after I pick up OH from work. I know that is late to be eating (11pm) but I got home at 5 and went to bed for 3 hours, so I have had some rest.

The cold is not letting up, but I am taking paracetamol and struggling on.
Nausea doesn't help.

I completely forgot I had a hospital antenatal check today - my boss reminded me when I was IN work (could have had the whole morning off, instead I taught 3 periods of year 9 SOB), and OH texted me as he remembered and checked the appt card in my file. Anyway, I called the hospital and they said if I was there before 12 the dr could see me, so I legged it out of work and OH met me there with my file.

They took blood (and made a complete production out of it, I don't understand how the ones at my drs surgery manage to make it look so easy), and did a wee scan! They said the baby is 3lb 3oz now, a good size, plenty of movement, fluids good, heartbeat good, my bp good..... all good, basically. I have to go back on 6th January to check the size then.

I seem to be hopeless with appointments since all this started.... getting days wrong and everything. Can we call it baby brain? lol

Meerka Netherlands Tue 03-Dec-13 07:47:14

oh that's lovely to hear that everything is so good jen. doing well! how long to go now?

Slgihtly better morning so far here thank god. Yesterday I managed about a mug of water in sips over the whole day, I was dreading a serious return of the HG. Slowly managed a whole mug of weak tea already today, and I think it'll stay down.

jenpatnim Tue 03-Dec-13 08:05:35

Due 15th Feb, Meerka (my birthday, too) and so 10 weeks. Definitely keep that fluid in, dehydration is a killer for the HG!

I had such a bad night - woke up so many times coughing, snuffling and sneezing. Got up at 5 for water as I was very thirsty and also a dose of Peptac liquid for acid reflux. Didn't get back to sleep. Now heading off to work feeling rotten. But I have a half day tomorrow for Christmas shopping (we get it every year) and then a half day on Thursday to attend the asthma clinic at the drs (although I haven't really had asthma since my dog died - it seems to be a pet hair thing), so the rest of the week won't be too bad, hopefully

Meerka Netherlands Tue 03-Dec-13 08:28:44

<grins> that's going to make birthday parties easy then! though they never arrive on time do they smile Sad about pet hair, husband has same allergy, means we cant keep a cat sadly

hope everyone's day is ok.

ChaffinchOfDoom Tue 03-Dec-13 10:10:49

zuid - agree the out of breath thing, Ive been lucky enough always to be fairly fit-ish and strong; but this pg has knocked the wind out of me. It is a killer at work as we have lots of very low cupboards, and filing is all into low drawers, the only option is to sit on a wooden floor ouch! pgp horrors. But Ive notived I walk a lot more slowly now, get out of breath and get killer stitch very easily. Im only 23 weeks, not even ''heavily pg'' yet. Lord help me.

My hips and pelvis and sciatic and bad right knee have bad and good days, the one bright spot for being at work is less joint pain as Im constantly moving around; it's just the leaning and squatting down that is exhausting now.

Generally Ive been managing on 2 ondansatron per day, but may move back up to 3 if this puking continues. fruit is hard to eat and my poor bowels need it.

DH wandered in late yesterday with a macdonalds - and drank the whole thing of diet coke, wouldn't normally touch it. stayed down though, and was icy cold, lush.

Meerka Netherlands Tue 03-Dec-13 10:24:51

yes, isnt icy cold just lovely ...

livingzuid Netherlands Tue 03-Dec-13 10:36:15

Lost my message bah. Summary is icy diet coke is amazing and hey its all fluid so wouldn't worry about it too much smile people stink on public transport of cigarettes and curry and I miss my car and no nausea today as currently waiting for downs scan so nerves have taken over.

Jen feel better soon

livingzuid Netherlands Tue 03-Dec-13 10:38:16

And how can appointment no 109 come before me at 108!

livingzuid Netherlands Tue 03-Dec-13 10:43:11

Jen i also sympathise about the whole blood taking drama. My local blood centre can draw about six vials in seconds and find the vein straight away. Why in a hospital is it so harder?on Friday I had to do 8 vials of blood and yesterday 5 and it was such a stage show.

livingzuid Netherlands Tue 03-Dec-13 11:05:10

Just came out I don't get the results till next week. Measurements I could see were mainly around 2mm and the highest at 2.7mm so I'm clueless as to what they are and she spent ages looking at the heart and didn't say anything urgh this is awful I'm so scared again. She gave me a pic though and baby was still wriggling around. Would I have got a pic if it was all going to shit?

Off to be sick.

ChaffinchOfDoom Tue 03-Dec-13 11:06:23

when I had ds and was prepping for section the nurse tried to put in cannula
and muffed it up so badly she splashed my blood all over the floor

really, these people must have been trained? had practice? yet still screw it up

ChaffinchOfDoom Tue 03-Dec-13 11:07:25

living - it sounds as if all ok or she'd have called in another to get 2nd opinion
my friend's a scanner and she says they go quiet when really concentrating.
good news!

livingzuid Netherlands Tue 03-Dec-13 12:08:01

chaffinch thank you that just made me cry (in a good way). People on the train think I'm nuts. I was all excited last week and now the wait to 20 weeks seems like another marathon. She measured the baby at 7 something centimetres.

The main problem was DH wasn't there. The paranoia I have as part of my bipolar is normally pretty well controlled but during pregnancy it's been really bad. So this has now added to it. I've told him I can't go to that on my own ever again he is my voice of reason and stupid customers on a phone will just have to wait and his work have to understand he's my main carer and has responsibilities as a result.

Now I'm like the heartbeat looked really slow, the baby wasn't moving as much, why does it feel so aches there today, is it all done. When the logical part of me is saying hang on if there was a problem they would have looked at it while you were there not told you they will call in a week with results and see you at 20 weeks. But I'm not very rational today sad I don't have a midwife I can talk to as I see the gynaecologist directly so I'm a bit waaaaaaaaa

And I am on a shakey train and ate a cheese roll and think I'm regretting it. Sick feeling is coming back and I feel exhausted as well. Cheese hasn't been great for me but it was the blandest thing I could see to eat grin known as broodtje met kaas here - a staple of the Dutch diet, bread and more bread with various cheeses that all look and taste the same.

Sorry don't mean to hijack. Moan over. It's a beautiful day today, how is everyone getting on? smile

LucindaE Tue 03-Dec-13 12:10:19

Livingzuid Poor you about 'off to be sick'. How often is that happening, now?Again, I know it is so anxiety making, waiting - increases sickness, the tension - but the chances are so much in your favour. I knew a poor woman who had a one in four chance according to the blood test (it turned out OK) but of course, even with her that was seventy-five per cent in her favour. I have always been keen on exericse - once - believe it or not - a martial arts expert - but in pregnancy I found myself very breathless from quite early on, particularly if OH forgot and started walking along quickly...Congratulations on walk, I'm sure that's good for keeping things supple.
Jen That virus is foul. Any soreness of throat seems to make the sickness worse, plus the coughing. Fancy you, so organised, forgetting your appointment. Your DH sounds even more organised. I wander about in a dream in comparison. What a shame you didn't get the morning off. Not long to maternity leave now.
Chaffinch An apple - too horrible, oh dear. Odd, I found the full sugar coke far more soothing - lots on here like the diet sort, then?
Nutella - I must live in my own universe - I've never really noticed Nutella. Now I'm fascinated by those puddings (hope the thought doesn't sicken anybody).
Hope Everyone is coping.

livingzuid Netherlands Tue 03-Dec-13 12:10:32

And how awful about the op preparation. Not what you need. With all the stories you hear it makes the mind boggle as to how/why some people are in that profession.

ChaffinchOfDoom Tue 03-Dec-13 12:19:40

ok living - I hear ya about the creeping paranoia..and I think of this news story from a few yrs ago..

a woman did a parachute jump, her chute failed and she fell and landed flat. She broke some bones, but they also discovered she was pg, and the baby was fine. Fine!
this is all you need to focus on, that little living thing has evolved over thousands of years to continue the species. it will take from you what it needs to the detriment of your own health, and will cling and thrive :-)
they are tough little fighters.

ChaffinchOfDoom Tue 03-Dec-13 12:24:38

think it was this story very lucky

LucindaE Tue 03-Dec-13 12:43:47

Chaffinch Oh, dear, as Livngzuid says, you don't need that for sure when you're feeling delicate anyway .Once I took part in a migraine research thing where they took by blood each day for ten days before a period - anyway, once the dr was out and a nurse did it with exactly the same result, blood on the floor. It didn't hurt me at all but a poor women waiting in the same room screamed.

LucindaE Tue 03-Dec-13 12:45:52

Chaffnch and Livingzuid So true -an amazing story. A woman I knew fell on a chair, stomach first, form a height and the baby was fine, not quite the same but still...

ChaffinchOfDoom Tue 03-Dec-13 13:14:32

Lucinda - ooh migraine research? did you get any answers?
knowing your triggers is a good starting point, I get them when the seasons change. Im not sick with them, but get blinding eye whorls and swirls. loathe them.

Meerka Netherlands Tue 03-Dec-13 13:16:31

grin her parachute failed and she survived and they discovered she was preg? Wow

and what a conversation that must have been with the medics!

CrazyThursday Tue 03-Dec-13 13:37:24

Knock knock!

I'm just sticking my head round the door - but not sure if I can really come in.... I'm 7 weeks tomorrow (does that make me 6+6 or 6+7 today??) with dc2. With DD I had awful nausea from 6-17 weeks then felt great. Threw up a few times but not half as bad as you guys by the sounds of it (which is why I'm tentatively posting)... This time I feel queasy, no vomming yet but seem to recal the worst being around 9-13 weeks so perhaps it's yet to come.

LucindaE Tue 03-Dec-13 13:58:24

CrazyThursday Welcome, sorry you may need to join us. It is possible to have Hyperemesis without vomiting, and it can cause nearly as much misery. Seventeen weeks was obviously very late for normal nausea to go off - how are the liquids going down, given that they are the most important thing? Do you find ice lollies and jelly any good?
Everyone Re; Migraines and hormones, they have increasingly seen that there is a big link between hormonal changes in the cycle and pregnancy and migraine cystitis and very likely Hyperemesis, but don't seem to have progressed understanding much beyond that so far, that I've heard. It was funny, I had such needle tracks up and down my arms that people looked at me in disgust, it being summer and my arms bare.

CrazyThursday Tue 03-Dec-13 14:30:53

Thank you Lucinda!

I havent tried jelly or lollies actually... I'm tending to favour savory things. Also I am really off drinking anything though am trying a cup of hot lemon and ginger when I feel really queasy and then stick to squash or water though rarely finish a glass tbh.

Last time I remember living off of jacket potatoes and salt and vinegar Pringles!! Difficult to do that now when I need to eat well in front of DD! Saying that, I also recall fruit salads tasting amazing... I went right off salad.

Gingernut biscuits help a bit and I slowly ate a banana before bed last night and that made me feel normal ish.

I'm lucky in that I work from home so come a lunchtime I really take the piss head off for a cheeky nap!!

I am far less fitter than I was when pg with DD and that is playing on my mind as I'm eating so badly at the mo. I also had a really easy pregnancy and birth with DD but I'm worried my lack of fitness and crappy diet will result in a harder time of it this time.

Best wishes to you all, it's a really shitty thing this 'morning sickness' malarkey. I reckon there would a cure by now if men suffered from it!

Meerka Netherlands Tue 03-Dec-13 14:44:06

hello thursday and feel free to join the unmerry throng. We're a friendly bunch! dont worry too much about your diet. As doomfinch said, the baby looks after itself and makes sure it's fine. It's you who will suffer!

Lucninda's link on the first post above is amazing, there's a lot of really good info there about what helps and what does not.

lucinda you say there is a link with HG and cystitis?! Because I get a lot of cystitis, to the point where the specialist actually said just take an antibiotic a day (which is absolutely amazing for a doctor in the NL). We did also wonder, a few threads ago, if there was a link with women who had trouble with tolerating teh Pill ... which maybe also makes sense?

What a horrible summer that must have been, if you needed so many injections that you had needlemarks sad very glad things are better now! how old is your little one? smile

Hollyjokes Tue 03-Dec-13 15:21:55

Hi ladies, would you all mind if I joined you here? I had HG for my entire pregnancy with my DD and I am now pregnant again with DC2. I am only 6+2 so very early days, however I am getting sicker each day hmm I've had almost constant nausea for over two weeks, started morning only vomiting last week, and the last couple of days it's been all day long. I'm only managing to keep a bit of food/water down if I eat in that little 5min window after a vomit when you feel slightly better, before the horrible nausea comes right back again. Today has been the worst yet, nothing kept down yet and I've spent most of the day in tears as I just can't believe that this is happening to me again hmm

I know it hasn't been long yet but I'm already really struggling. My DD is still only little and needs a well mummy, and I feel so guilty that she's hardly been out of the house in the last few days. As soon as we get up in the morning I have to plonk her in front of the TV with a pile of toys so I can spend half an hour throwing up in the kitchen confused

I tried calling the GP this morning but there's no appointments until next week. I'm to call back in the morning if I decide I need an emergency appointment. Should I do this? I'm not sure if the GP would refuse to prescribe medication this early in my pregnancy? I keep thinking that they won't diagnose me with HG again yet as it hasn't been long enough, I haven't lost enough weight, I've been able to keep some food down, even if not much, etc. I struggled through up to about 9 weeks in my last pregnancy before I sought help, by which time I was in such a state that I needed immediate hospitalisation for treatment for dehydration. I don't want that to happen again.

It feels good to get this out. Not many people know I'm pregnant yet in real life. I wouldn't wish this feeling on my worst enemy, but at the same time it's good to know that I'm not alone in this. Thanks for reading ladies smile

Scheriously Tue 03-Dec-13 15:30:11

Hi all, I hope everyone is okay and not suffering too badly today.

My doctors appointment is tomorrow and seeing as I couldn't get in with my GP, DH is coming with me to make me feel a little better. After that is my 15 week appointment with the midwife. I feel almost like quitting my job to be honest, but we'll see.

living I totally blanked out during my 12 week scan because I was so petrified something was going to be wrong. DH was there and really enjoying it, and I can remember looking at the screen and at the time I felt fine... But then when I got home I was certain it had hardly moved, that the heartbeat didn't sound as strong as it did in the earlier scans etc etc! Even DH couldn't convince me. I think it's completely normal... after all, we go through all of this sickness and it takes so much out of us, we're even more desperate to know everything is okay!! Even seeing the midwife tomorrow, I'm still worried of a mmc or something.

No sickness here today or yesterday, just a touch of nausea. I would normally be rejoicing but the brief break is normally followed by a few days of hell so I won't hold my breath!!!

livingzuid Netherlands Tue 03-Dec-13 16:47:56

Hello hello all new people sorry you have to be here. Many wise folks with words of wisdom who will help.

Flying message from me to say the two chocolate croissants and a bag of peanut m&s really sorted me out this afternoon to the point of having a productive day at work. I feel a bit acidic but ok. Dare I hope? I had terrible acid last night and I was so fidgety. Then had nightmares about down syndrome scan all bloody night. And I feel permanently constipated which is making my front feel uncomfortable sad

And big thanks for votes of support from everyone I will reply properly later. Enjoying this productive streak. I told our regional director about being preggo today and he didn't look overly surprised so I suspect my boss had mentioned something but was so nice about things I nearly cried at him as well. Crying at everything today.

Can I ask a quick question - do you find the ultrasound a bit uncomfortable sometimes? They really pressed on my belly yesterday and today and I felt a bit of discomfort. Not ow sore pain but just hmm.

LucindaE Tue 03-Dec-13 18:12:19

Hollyjokes Welcome, Yes, make an emergency appointment do, before you get dehydrated. Don't try and tough it out, the earlier the treatment starts, before you get into the being sick constantly groove too much, hte more chance of it's being effective, I hear. I am sure as a veteran you know all about testing urine, no need for advice from me there.
What meds if any worked for you last time?
Scheriously I am glad about those two nice days' break.
Livingzuid That sounds unpleasant - nobody likes their belly being pressed on, though for sure it's safe enough. Is it always that rough?

livingzuid Netherlands Tue 03-Dec-13 18:40:40

lucinda I think it's the constipation. My whole upper belly is swollen it's so uncomfortable. This is again really tmi but when I have wind or need to go it is really really uncomfortable and then better after. It was a relief to be vomiting as it took the pressure off my upper abdomen.

It also the last few days has felt quite like my belly is stretching to grow which I have found uncomfortable since the day I ovulate! It comes and goes though, like right now it feels fine (but I did just have a pee!). The uncomfortable is not in my uterus but all around it when they press if that makes sense. It was fine on Friday I just noticed it a bit yesterday and more again today. She jiggled the scanner wand really quite hard on my belly to get the baby to move into position to get the neck measurements as it was lying on its front looking like it was sunbathing grin and I wanted to hit her at that point!

I am super protective of my middle anyway but now having read chaffinch's parachute article I acknowledge I am being a tad paranoid smile If a baby can survive that then a bit of keen ultrasounding is not going to matter is it.

Feeling acidic and a touch sick but pleased to have drunk lots of water and eaten an apple this afternoon. Today in hg world was a good day. DH is coming to collect me from work and we are going for my diet coke fix.

holly make an appointment don't leave it. The front line medicine is safe in first trimester. Don't suffer if you don't have to. Feel better soon.

Howly Tue 03-Dec-13 20:00:07

I'm early days, 6+4 but have been getting progressively worse nausea since last Friday, today I felt sick on waking, ate brekkie and felt better, was ok ish through the day then sickness kicked in again at about 3pm, the evenings are the worst! I've not been sick yet but I'm dreading it getting any worse!

I'm really worried about coping at school, I'm a teacher and don't want to tell my employer til at least 12 weeks but if it gets worse just getting through the day is going to be hard, let alone the hours of work i do in the evening. I don't want to take time off as I had 2 weeks off in October to have my appendix out!

Felling grotty and apprehensive about the next few months!

ChaffinchOfDoom Tue 03-Dec-13 20:08:36

yep holly the earlier the meds the better the treatment

do the ketostix thing, pee on the stick and if it's a 3 or 4 its an emergency appointment.

jenpatnim Tue 03-Dec-13 21:16:23

Hello new people, I hope you find this thread as useful as I have, Lucinda and the ladies are so supportive.

I had a rubbish day at work - my voice kept cutting out and I actually felt the room spin a few times. I went to find my vice principal at the end of school to tell her I was too sick to come in tomorrow and she was in a senior management meeting. I knocked and very politely asked if I could speak to her for one moment and the principal said, "Is it an emergency?" I was flummoxed. I am a professional, I have never interrupted a meeting before, I would not have done so if I did not consider it to be necessary. I said, "I could always phone her later?" which is the other protocol for phoning in sick, so she came out and spoke to me, but I was upset and nearly cried telling her how sick I felt. Bloody principal is a bit harsh at times. Admittedly I am also hypersensitive, feeling so ill and all the hormones etc. VP was as lovely as ever and just rolled her eyes at the principal, so that was a bit better.

jenpatnim Tue 03-Dec-13 21:17:03

ANd then I went back to my room and left detailed notes for sub cover because I am a control freak and couldn't let go lol.

Hollyjokes Tue 03-Dec-13 21:22:57

Thanks ladies - it really helps to have others agree with me that I need to see a doctor ASAP. It's nice to know that I'm not overreacting.

Lucinda - in my last pregnancy I was given cyclizine, but it didn't really help much. Maybe it's because I was in the full grip of HG before I asked for help though. During the times I was hospitalised, however, I was given cyclizine via injection and it definitely worked! I always felt great while I was in hospital and being rehydrated by drip. It was as soon as I left hospital and went back to taking the meds in tablet form that I would quickly get worse again.

Later in my pregnancy my GP changed my medication to promethazine, and this did seem to help, however I'll never know if my HG was improving naturally at that point though (I was about 25 weeks by then).

I've had a good old cry to my DH this evening, as the thought of feeling like this for the next 7.5 months is just so upsetting. I actually have a few pills left from my last pregnancy (cyclizine) and my DH has suggested that I take one now to see if I feel any better. I'm a bit wary of taking anything before I've seen my doctor though.

Scheriously Tue 03-Dec-13 22:27:43

holly I'm really sorry you're feeling down. I find HG is so mentally challenging as well as physically because it can just be completely relentless. You're not overreacting at all, you need to see a GP because as you know, it can get nasty quickly. Don't fight it, just concentrate doing whatever you need to do to feel okay.

I am doing my head in feeling so guilty about work. I need to get a grip. I feel so shitty about all this time off, but there's been no alternative. I wish they would let me do a phased return for a week just so I can feel confident that I can handle it, but they won't.

Hope everyone is doing okay today thanks

Hollyjokes Tue 03-Dec-13 22:50:45

Thank you Scheriously. I will definitely try to get to my GP tomorrow.

I was exactly the same as you during my first pregnancy re work guilt. I remember driving to work and having to stop the car to vomit at the side of the road, lovely! I struggled on for a bit until something in me finally snapped and I realised that I just couldn't do it anymore. I then spent the next couple of months signed off sick. I still felt pretty guilty but I focused on the fact that myself and my baby were more important than my job. Also, time off sick for pregnancy related reasons isn't included in your count of sick days.
It sounds as if you are trying your best to assist them by offering to do a phased return, but if they won't let you, and you don't feel up to a full return, then go get another sick note.

Scheriously Tue 03-Dec-13 23:39:13

Awake worrying as per usual! But you're right - baby needs to come first. It's not like I'm a big loss - just another cog in a big machine but it still can feel awkward. Thank you, I may actually get some sleep after reading that.

I hope it goes well with the GP tomorrow!

Meerka Netherlands Wed 04-Dec-13 08:45:35

hello howly and welcome. we've a couple of teachers here who feel the same as you,r eally bad if they are off, but your health does come first !!

Same to you holly!

Just remember, like doomfinch said, the earlier the treatment the more effective. the most respected studies all reckon so. have a good look at the site that Lucinda linked in the first post.

Slightly better than the last two days here but ugh, having a relapse has done my head in. The mental challenge of HG is not small, as someone said ...

Scheriously Wed 04-Dec-13 11:50:52

The beginning of a rough day! Throwing milk back up (I know I shouldn't have, but I reaaally wanted some) is the worst.

Hope everyone is okay x

Hollyjokes Wed 04-Dec-13 11:54:08

I'm seriously fuming today. I went to see my GP this morning and he refused to prescribe me anything angry I reminded him that I was on meds for the whole of my last pregnancy but he reckons he was only happy to give me a repeat prescription because it was the hospital that actually prescribed the anti sickness meds in the first place. He wants me to go to the hospital and be prescribed meds by a doctor there. I told him that the whole point in me coming to him first was because I was trying to get treatment early rather than letting myself get to the point where I needed hospitalisation, but he still refused. He's under the impression that cyclizine can be harmful to the baby and so wants the hospital to take responsibility for prescribing it to me. So basically I now need to wait for a hospital referral before I can get help, by which point it could be too late for early treatment. I'm so angry and upset right now angryhmm

Scheriously Wed 04-Dec-13 12:44:37

That is really bad. He should have referred you to another doctor at the surgery immediately, as I know different doctors have different views on it. It is totally wrong that you have to suffer because of his POV. I have always been told that although meds aren't the ideal scenario, it gets to the point where the welfare of the mother outweighs the risk of the medication. Idiot doctor!!!!!!!

jenpatnim Wed 04-Dec-13 13:28:24

Doctors seem to be seriously hit and miss with this thing! I have read so many outrageous stories here of doctors refusing to prescribe meds, and other stories of doctors being great! I don't know - it seems to be utterly arbitrary.

Hollyjokes Wed 04-Dec-13 13:33:42

Exactly - I'm sure that dehydration and lack of nutrition is much worse for the baby than some perfectly safe medicine!

Since I last posted I've had a phone call from the surgery and been told that the doctor is now willing to give me a small amount of promethazine to tide me over till my hospital appointment. Why couldn't he have just done this this morning instead of leaving me crying all day?! Moron!

ChaffinchOfDoom Wed 04-Dec-13 13:51:11

holy smeg what a douche bag.

it was when I was in hosp this time that a pharmacist lied to my face saying ondansatron was not available in tablet form in the UK. I text my friend who's a pharmacist and knew it was!

they make shit up. maybe pass the doc Lucinds'a links!

Hollyjokes Wed 04-Dec-13 14:16:14

Are ondansatron and promethazine the same thing?

I may print out the info from those links and send them recorded delivery to my GP grin

Meerka Netherlands Wed 04-Dec-13 14:21:08

oh for heavens sake holly im so sorry to hear that.

Can you ring the SOS helpline? the doctor there is retired but really good and specialised in HG. He has a list of HG friendly doctors. the number is 024 7638 2020. this is the site: www.pregnancysicknesssupport.org.uk/

you are absolutely right, early treatment is the best. And cyclizine is absolutley fine. the NICE guidelines which ALL doctors are supposed to follow as best practise guidelines say so clearly. cks.nice.org.uk/nauseavomiting-in-pregnancy#!prescribinginfosub

If you look on the NICE site they have clear goals to ensure that people can keep going: cks.nice.org.uk/nauseavomiting-in-pregnancy#!goals and early treatment is very important.

Banging the doctor over the head probably won't work but do try ringing the helpline number above - as I say, they are excellent. You'll have to leave a message and they will ring you back.

livingzuid Netherlands Wed 04-Dec-13 15:23:40

Or just get down to A&E and make a fuss. There is a reason why it's always so busy, because GPs don't do what they are meant to! I got my tablets off my gp here (different country tho but still). So sorry you haven't got it resolved yet.

livingzuid Netherlands Wed 04-Dec-13 15:24:27

Or change gp surgeries is that possible?

ChaffinchOfDoom Wed 04-Dec-13 16:09:45

nope, promethazine is Phenergan, for anti vomming, a sedative and anti allergy

ondansatron can only be prescribed in hospital, I couldn't get it from my gp, my consultant had to OK it. it's for anti vomming after chemo/radiotherapy primarily.

ChaffinchOfDoom Wed 04-Dec-13 16:12:06

ondansetron is the correct sp grin I write it differently every time I type it. my excuse is the 'a' has disappeared off my keyboard grin

ChaffinchOfDoom Wed 04-Dec-13 16:15:27

you cant drink alcohol with phernergan........you can with ondans though! result! smile well a tiny bit of baileys in a hot chocolate anyhoo at your work xmas do, for example....

LucindaE Wed 04-Dec-13 17:03:13

Hollyjokes I thought a new person called Howdy was on here, but I think that was you, lol. I so agree with others and Meerka who's done such a good job in providing those links - the SOS one can help you get effective treatment. The GP doesn't seem to appreciate how important early treatment is, as you say. How is the dehydration at the moment?
I know how conscientuos teachers are , Jen and others are the same.
with luck you won't feel anything like as bad as this later on, the first tri being the worst for almost everyone. Did it let up at all last time?
Jen Poor you, a mean principal! You are so good about struggling in, too, which you think she might have noticed.
Scheriuosly Poor you, milk can be foul on the way up again. You are so right about you and the baby have to come first. Work will somehow manage.
Chaffinch Totes Murder of Goths SicknSpan Eggy and
Sally and Everyone I hope managing. We haven't heard from Feekerry for a while. Am I being vague, or isn't her baby due in the not too distant future?

Hollyjokes Wed 04-Dec-13 18:27:57

Thanks Chaffinch, the GP initially called the promethazine something else on the phone and then called it promethazine when I asked him what it was, hence why I asked if it's the same thing. I can collect a prescription for it in the morning but I bet he will give me a small amount and not agree to any repeat prescriptions afterwards as he's made it clear that he doesn't agree with long term use, so I hope that my hospital appointment comes through soon. I must remember to ask the hospital to fax or write to my GP and stress that I must be given repeat prescriptions of whatever they give me.

Thank you for the links meerka, I'll have a look through them once DD is in bed.

Lucinda the dehydration isn't too bad right now. I'm on one + for ketones at the moment. I'm trying to sip water throughout the day and about half is coming back up. The HG didn't let up until around 25wks last time but I stayed on medication until DD was born because I'd gradually start vomiting again whenever I tried to stop taking the tablets. I was cured when she was born though! I know some people still suffer even after they've delivered so I have to be thankful for that at least.

Sally8655 Wed 04-Dec-13 22:34:30

I could just cry, another day in hospital due to pains. Looks like early contractions but main concern is blood pressure and heart rate. Both have gone up loads.

Just found out today, I have to move house in the next 2 weeks after I've spent a fortune on this one. Totally gutted. Plus I could really do without the stress.
Started washing baby clothes and some shrunk! I'm so fed up.
Can't stop stressing about having to disinfect a whole house and move everything in while I'm this poorly. Life is not being fair to me :-(

Scheriously Wed 04-Dec-13 22:46:20

Oh Sally I'm sorry, that all sounds so stressful and is def not what you need. Life does seem to throw everything at once at us sometimes, and it's crap. Have you got people to help you move?

Sally8655 Wed 04-Dec-13 23:43:05

Yeh husband will do most if not everything but I'm such an OCD perfectionist that I know I'm going to be highly stressed and upset if its not cleaned and painted how i want it.

It's taken me so long to organise and get this home how I want it and now I have to start again, it just makes me so angry. Saw the new house this morning and although the decor seems ok ish, the woman's a hoarder and it looks filthy. She says carpets will be professionally cleaned but don't believe that at all.
The whole thing fills me with dread!!

jenpatnim Thu 05-Dec-13 00:12:41

Oh no Sally, that is terrible! I hope it all goes smoothly! Why on earth do you have to move?

livingzuid Netherlands Thu 05-Dec-13 06:25:38

sally sorry to hear that about the house, not what you need right now.

jen how are you now did you manage to rest and feel better?

scheriously I posted too soon, really glad you got some medication to tide you over but what a kerfuffle. Do you have your referral now?

Well I have seen a drastic improvement the last two days. I still feel nauseous particularly in the morning but it has subsided. I think the trick has been to ensure I eat regularly, changed the timing of my medication around so I can eat 1st thing, and I have been able to expand my repitoire to cover crumbed chicken, apples and oranges and a hot milk before bed to settle my stomach. Still have very painful acid and I ate too much last night! I eat Nutella on white bread every 2 hours and that works a treat but I still can't eat much else. I made an error of grabbing some doritos and a kit kat to eat in the car on the way home and regretted it so badly. It's so nice to add some fruit to my diet at last.

But it has been better-I've had two good days at work and tonight am even going out with a friend after work to do some late night shopping. Or mooching in my case as we are broke. Don't want to overdo it though as I get very tired easily.

I guess it would start to ease up around now? I am 14 weeks on Saturday so nothing to worry about? Sickness was reassuring in a screwed up kind of way. I am going to not take a sickness tablet over the weekend to see how that goes - don't want to chance it with work, have big meetings today and tomorrow and nothing smart fits any more blush

Meerka Netherlands Thu 05-Dec-13 09:28:33

sally Im sorry to hear about your move. The timing could be a lot, lot better :/ glad your husband can do it but I hope you can get help and support from other people too. Please, let him do the work. The very last thing you need is more physical (or mental) stress atm! And ofc we will always be here for you to let off steam.

holly i really hope you can get somewhere with your doc.

living, very good to hear you are doing better smile wow, late night shopping! And ..... it's dec 6th! you can introduce your little one to sint niklas early :D

jenpatnim Thu 05-Dec-13 11:55:28

Living, I started to be more functional after 14 weeks - that was when I went back to work after 2 months off (although I am a teacher so it was my actual summer holiday, not sick leave, I was able to start term on time)... I still needed the anti sickness tablets but found that they worked a lot better.

I am off school again today (had told VP I'd take 2 days for sure and let her know about Friday). I am definitely not feeling as wretched as I was, although my throat is still sore, still coughing up stuff and voice is definitely impaired. I will see how today goes before I make a decision about tomorrow - I could justify staying off another day on the voice alone, I kind of need to be able to talk to do my job. And talk loudly, not croak like an elderly frog. Thanks for asking! I do hope things start to improve for you, you know how it is having more than one medical issue to contend with!

Hollyjokes Thu 05-Dec-13 13:36:03

Sally it sounds like you have so much on your plate at the moment. I really feel for you. I can't even face cleaning the house to put the Christmas tree up, let alone an entire move. I hope that you have lots of help in RL.

Jen, if you don't feel up to working then I would say don't go in. I always found that if I tried to push myself to do too much then I always ended up feeling worse for it.

I am absolutely kicking myself today. I was supposed to collect a prescription for promethazine from the GP but I completely forgot that it's Thursday today and that the surgery is only open until lunchtime on Thursdays. It was 1pm when I remembered. So I now have to wait till tomorrow before I can get my tablets confused

ChaffinchOfDoom Thu 05-Dec-13 14:17:55

ah Sally, practice some meditative deep breathing, hope that the pains are better and your bp/heart lower.
Let your dp step up to the plate and manage things, it's hard for us all to let go of stuff but you have to put yourself and your health first.

I feel like Im letting them down at work simply as I move more slowly - it's all in my head but it is a terrible feeling of letting them down.
bugger everything! let it all go, it isn't important.

jenpatnim Thu 05-Dec-13 14:36:08

Well I had an asthma review today, and the nurse said to take tomorrow off as well.. So I feel justified on medical advice lol. I have phoned school and said I'll be back on Monday. Truthfully, I got up at 11, went to a friend's for lunch (she lives 5 min from the dr and I was planning to go there from school anyway as I knew I had that appt) and then the dr and now home - and I am beyond exhausted. I want to try to tidy a little but then I will need a sleep. I can't imagine how bad I would be feeling if I was attempting to work, never mind that my voice keeps failing on me!

ChaffinchOfDoom Thu 05-Dec-13 14:45:24

take it easy Jenn! enjoy your sleepy afternoon.

LucindaE Thu 05-Dec-13 16:03:05

Sally Poor you, that's hardly any notice at all. So agree with others, let DH do it, you must conserve your strength. Poor you, one thing after another, hugs. How are the pains?
Jen Poor you, too - lol abut 'elderly frog'. That virus is really nasty, it takes ages for the sore throat to go, even gargling asperin - which I assume a pregnant woman isn't allowed to do? I'm glad you've got till Monday off.
Hollyjokes I'm relieved ketones aren't too high yet. The phone number for the Pregnancy Sickness Support link Meerka supplied if you need it for advice about getting meds is 024 7638 2020. Annoying you have to wait for those meds. Don't worry about being one of the tiny minority of people it doesn't go away for after birth, chances are massively against that, particularly if you were OK last time.
Livingzuid Going out shopping? Adventurous. grin. With some it starts to tail off round now, and I hope you are one. It tends to be a bit later for many others,but your good days are a really good sign. Those first good days are almost always followed by lots more...
Schereiously MeerkaSicknSpan**Only1Scoop Totes and Everyone I hope coping in this minor hurricane. and apologies to anyone rudely ignored.

LucindaE Thu 05-Dec-13 16:05:12

Chaffinch You are being a hero in slow motion going in to work at all!

CrazyThursday Thu 05-Dec-13 18:04:34

Apologies as I haven't had the chance to read back... Hope you're all doing as ok as poss.

Quick question - are you finding the, erm "other end" has been, erm, loose?? I'm finding I desperately need the loo first thing (ie it wakes me up and I leap out of bed, usually am a 5x snoozer).

I've still not actually thrown up though feel close tonight. Have eaten a load of old shite today (Pringles and kitkats namely) so this could be part of why I feel so dire now. DH is making dinner (which I feel guilty about as he works loooong days) because I just can't face doing it.

My lips are getting v cracked too which I'm guessing is because I'm not drinking enough.

Day off tomorrow so will stock up on fruit as I do seem to fancy/tolerate that ok and has got to be better than crisps and chocolate.

Sorry for the self-indulgent ramble....

Meerka Netherlands Thu 05-Dec-13 19:05:33

it is a hurricane isnt it? hoping our chimney survives.

Sickness is so much better than the beginning of the week. It's such a relief; I panicked when it was as bad as the worst its ever been. Living, hopefully lots more good days will follow.

Hope everyone is not too bad ...

Sally8655 Thu 05-Dec-13 20:07:11

Thanks for kind words everybody.

Thoughts of the move have become insignificant as I'm currently on and off the toilet whilst puking into a bowl at the same time. Must be a bug as it was so sudden.

Sorry I can't chat much, really feel too ill xxx

ChaffinchOfDoom Thu 05-Dec-13 20:55:43


do not apologise for self indulgent ramble! we are your support team, and everyone must say whatever they want/need to to vent it all out
fgrin the festive feeling is creeping in huzzah December is skidding past = closer to 2014 & OUR BABIES!!

can't wait to hear everyones birth stories, their name choices, and their celebratory meals and drinks after hyperem becomes a distant dream nightmare fgrin

ChaffinchOfDoom Thu 05-Dec-13 20:56:58

aw sally there's nothing to say you poor wee hen thanks feel better

livingzuid Netherlands Fri 06-Dec-13 06:34:18

Nope, overdid it last night. Feel dreadful today, terrible nausea and a headache. But it was lovely to pretend to be normal for an evening smile we didn't linger shopping due to storm just strsig

livingzuid Netherlands Fri 06-Dec-13 06:39:46

Doh phone. Just straight to restaurant.

Going to take it easy this morning. Have Japanese delegation in for work this afternoon which I could really do without!

sally sad feel better soon.

jen what a relief to have a few days off.

meerka glad the sickness has eased for you again, just in time for sintaklaas yesterday!

thursday yes at the start of pregnancy I had runs. It is now the opposite. The hormones affect the bowel and digestive system pretty strongly.

LucindaE Fri 06-Dec-13 11:54:51

Sally How horrible, you poor, poor thing. thanksthanks. In that horrible situation, you just long for the bowels to empty completely.
Thursday Welcome. I remember that, on and off, when not too dehydrated. Are you on any meds yet?

Sally8655 Fri 06-Dec-13 23:10:23

Evening all

Just had a chance to catch up with the thread. Sorry your all feeling so awful too. Hugs to you all xx

Well, my cold is gone and sickness back to usual levels. It must have been either a 24 hour bug or something I ate.
I'm trying to be really careful though as I feel quite ill when my blood pressure rises. Felt like I was going to pass out earlier in asda.
But glad to say at this moment in time I'm feeling ok :-)

Husband has ordered boxes etc for moving and removal guys come to survey everything tomorrow so I'm not too worried about things. So far he's organised. I just hope his cleaning is up to scratch as I don't want to move into a dirty home.
We get keys on Christmas Eve and move on 28th so it's going to be a busy holiday period for us. I'm just trying to get all the babies clothes, blankets etc washed and organised before we move so its all ready. I've also just finished packing my hospital bag.
Just want it over with so I can relax.

CrazyThursday Sat 07-Dec-13 11:22:52

Hi all, happy Saturday.

sally what a chaotic Christmas ahead. Hopefully your sickness will subside in time. Glad your bug seems to on its way out.

living take it easy! Funny how our bodies tell us when enough is enough eh?

lucinda no meds here, feel a bit of a fraud as my sickness seems to be much milder than you guys.

First small vom today in the shower this morning. Felt v dizzy too. Now in bed with wet hair feeling weak but hungry and have sent DH out with DD. We've got a busy day ahead and I can't muster up the energy to dry/straighten my hair let alone the rest of it. Feeling v pathetic.

Only1scoop Sat 07-Dec-13 11:34:26

Hello all....much the same here and as now 17 weeks not that hopeful of much change. Only sick a couple of times per day but wow, the constant nausea/heads do not want to go.

We finally told dd about baby I'd been waiting to see if I improved as I just feel so miserable....she keeps hugging baby and last night kissed my tummy before bed and whispered "I hope you get out soon". shock

I'm now going to read through thread I see lots of new sufferers names amongst (my sympathy) and catch up with how you all are.

Take care all x

Meerka Netherlands Sat 07-Dec-13 11:46:16

sally so glad that you're feeling a bit more ok, and that your husband is generally so good. Just so much upheaval at the moment for you!

Hope the day improves thursday

Only1 sometimes things improve around week 21. From what people say, it's between week 14 and week 21 / 22 or so. Unless you realy draw the short straw like sally :s But most people do improve, so therés still hope.

LucindaE Sat 07-Dec-13 20:26:55

Sally I'm glad that didn't last. Its your new house far from your old?
CrazyThursday Don't feel a fraud. Oh dear about puking in shower, that seems a favourite place, I don't know if it's the heat or the time of day...
Livingzuid I hope headache has gone. Did you find out if there was a connection with meds?
Only1Scoop I so agree with Meerka don't give up, as with some it does improve a lot later. Sweet about your DD. She will be a lovely older sister.
Meerka So glad things have looked up a bit.
I hope Everyone including new people is managing OK today.
MurderofGoths My Mumsnet Christmas present for DD arrived today!
Thank you. thanks

livingzuid Netherlands Sat 07-Dec-13 22:17:52

Quick wave to everyone will reply properly tomorrow. I spent most of the day finishing my first piece of consultancy work smile but was behind due to wretched hg! Powered through with diet coke then felt exhausted just by having a shower.

Nausea still very much there although I haven't been sick for the last couple of days. Hoping that doesn't change! I could easily be sick I think but just not allowing it.

Hope everyone has a nice nausea and sick free Saturday evening!

livingzuid Netherlands Sat 07-Dec-13 22:19:26

*Thursday, I was nearly sick in the shower yesterday and today too, very common. Am 14 weeks today.

Sally8655 Sat 07-Dec-13 23:13:29

Livingzuid- i felt the same with the nausea. When I asked a midwife at the hospital if I should just puke and get it over with, she looked at me as if I was stupid and told me that if I was really that sick I couldn't control it. She didnt quite understand that I did spontaneously throw up but most of the time kept it in as I have such a fear of being sick due to choking on it a few times.
I think your the first person I've heard mention keeping it in. The nausea however I think can be so much worse than the actually being sick sometimes.

Lucinda- I'm not moving far, just to the next village. Removal guys are doing all the moving but packing and cleaning is going to be difficult. Just want it over with now.

I've had a stressful day. Family are driving me mad, just expecting too much of me. They know how poorly I am but still put on me so much and dh is really starting to get annoyed by it. I'm worried he's going to blow up and cause more of an issue. Keeping the peace is not easy.

Wondering how fee, choc and MOG are doing? Xxx

LucindaE Sun 08-Dec-13 10:48:03

Sally I do get annoyed angry when I hear of relatives expecting women to do anything but try and survive with this, so I sympathise with OH. In your case, you've had so many complications too and the move, that really it's fairly obvious you have enough to cope with.
Livingzuid and CrazyThursday It is horrible, the only good thing being at least you can wash it away. Livingzuid My goodness, I didn't realise you were still doing that consultancy work.
Hope Everyone is having a fairly relaxing Sunday.

butterfly86 Sun 08-Dec-13 15:16:30

Hi can I just ask a bit of advice I'm not sure if I'm bad enough to be here or not...I'm 10 weeks pg with first baby following 4 mc, I've been feeling sick since about 6 weeks it gradually got worse and was unrelenting nausea. The last probably 2 weeks I have actually been vomitting at first it was just occasionally then it was every morning still with constant nausea for the rest of the day, since the beginning of this week it has been a couple of times each day but then yesterday and today is just a whole other ball game. Yesterday I vomited up everything I ate and today I didn't get out of bed til 2pm my dh made me some crumpets and I've just brought them back up. I feel rotten. Do you think this is just normal ms up until now I've managed to maintain my weight I've lived off cereal crumpets and salt and vinegar crisps. I hate to moan when other people have it so much worse and im so grateful for this pregnancy.

Sally8655 Sun 08-Dec-13 17:20:08

Butterfly complain away. That's what this thread is for :-)
It's awful to be feeling like this. The nausea is just as bad as the vomiting.
I'd get yourself to the docs and get them to test your urine to see if your dehydrated. Or you can by some ketostix from the chemist. Ideally get some meds from your GP to hopefully make it more bearable.
Whatever you can manage in the form of fluids is great. Lollies, juice, soup, jelly etc.
For me it was only lollies and the odd bit of fruit for months.
Hope you feel better soon xxx

ChaffinchOfDoom Sun 08-Dec-13 18:38:47

Hi all, sorry to the pukers, the December weeks always fly past though, time ticks on
am knackered, working a tonne - retail busy time. is utterly manic at work. was our xmas do last night too, so burnt the candle both ends. bushwhacked now. more work tomorrow I just want sleeeeeeeeeeep!

how's everyone doing with the xmas shopping? Ive a few odd bits left to get but everything to wrap up eeeeeeeek

butterfly86 Sun 08-Dec-13 18:59:43

Thank you sally I'm at hospital for a scan tomorrow so I'll mention it to them. I'll give lollies a try I've been drinking juice but that's coming back up now I'm hungry but feel sick and I know it will only re appear shortly after! I've had some of dh's diet coke he got from kfc it helped briefly and was refreshing don't want to be drinking loads though!

I've got no christmas tree up and have bought no presents I'm hoping the fairys will sort it smile xx

jenpatnim Sun 08-Dec-13 19:15:13

Hey all.. back to work tomorrow for the last 2 weeks. I have still been pretty nauseated and still have a cold but I need to get back in and see out the last 2 weeks. So tired tonight - I am starting to feel uncomfortable at night, waking up achy and sore, and my back hurts quite a bit. sad

Am now at 30 weeks! EEP! Still no closer to a name though.

To all other sufferers, welcome newbies... it does get better, even if it is just the knowledge that you are closer to having your baby.

I have my staff do on wednesday week, and I have to see if I have anything that fits me and will look vaguely presentable. If the dress I am thinking of wearing works I might try to get away with it for Christmas day as well. I have all my shopping done - I just hope that the stuff I have ordered online comes in time. I also got something for OH's birthday on 3rd January! I am glad to find something as he is soooo hard to buy for.

Can't believe we are so close to Christmas now!

LucindaE Sun 08-Dec-13 20:15:33

Butterfly86 Welcome, that certainly sounds like Hyperemesis,I so agree with Sally and others, you need treatment, and for the GP to test your urine, and to get kesostix from a chemist to check yourself for dehydration. Bossy mother hen says emphasize that you can't keep anything down - GP's too often think that your being a drama queen about normal ms, this is something else, and serious if neglected.
So agree with others, too, you have to write off any attempt to stick to healthy things with this - any liquid that stays down, or partly does - jelly, full sugar coke, the juice of tinned fruit, anything.
Jen and Chaffinch Really feel for you poor things having to work.
Apologies to anyone rudely ignored.

butterfly86 Sun 08-Dec-13 20:47:28

Lucinda thank you I thought I was just being a wimp about it, I'm going to try to get an appointment at the doctors tomorrow I have a feeling they will fob me off they aren't nice usually! I seem to want anything sugary. when feeling so sick as the sugar seems to ease it monentarily I haven't eaten any fruit or veg for weeks but I just can't manage it I normally eat really healthily! I will pop back and let you know how I get on tomorrow.

Meerka Netherlands Sun 08-Dec-13 22:15:36

HI butterfly

when you go to the doc's, arm youreslf with info. At least then you will know what's what, because quite a lot of doctors still don't.

The two really useful sites are the NICE site - all doctors are supposed to follow the guidelines and the Pregnancy Sickness support site. it's excellent.

The first link is here National Institute for Clinical Excellence

and the Preg Sickness Support site is here www.pregnancysicknesssupport.org.uk/

best of luck, everyone with serious sickness needs good support and treatment

Sally8655 Sun 08-Dec-13 22:30:00

Jen, so pleased you only have a couple of weeks left of school. Then rest rest rest! :-)

Meerka, how you doing? Better I hope xx

Chaffinch, well done working and being so organised xx

I had a lazy day, not like I could do anything if I tried. Just making plans for decorating the new house and bought some new maternity clothes from simply be. I know I don't have long left and really shouldn't have bothered but my current pairs of mat jeans are getting way to tight around the bump and hurt to wear. I figured I can wear them for a while after, until I lose the weight and nobody else will really know. Also got some new leggings and tunic for wearing after the birth incase I'm real sore down below.
The only thing I'm yet to purchase is a nursing bra. I just can't stand straps right now so been wearing the stretchy bandeau bras which are so comfy. Hoping these will still be ok to wear for breast feeding as I literally can't do straps anymore.

Brother has just bought the cot so nothing left on my list. Feels strange to not have anything left do do for out boys arrival.

How's everybody else's preparations going?


Meerka Netherlands Mon 09-Dec-13 07:54:37

good morning smile well, yes, much better than last monday thanks. That was not a nice reminder of how bad it can be. So it's a big relief to be much better. Managed to take son to school today for first time since the HG started, so it was a really nice Monday morning smile unwell after hehe but just to be able to go with him was a treat for us all.

You sound so prepared! smile really nice to have it all organised, and vital when you have the move in a few days. Does the house need a lot of decorating or is it not too bad?

Sally8655 Mon 09-Dec-13 12:50:09

Glad your a bit better meerka :-)

It's ok to live in if cleaned and most people wouldn't bother to decorate it at all as the decor is ok. However, every mark or scratch on the walls will bug me no end so the whole house will get a lick of paint before we move in. Well that's my plan anyway. It has wooden floors but I'm a carpet fan, so want my new carpets done too.
I know I'm expecting miracles!

Just been to see the consultant, booked into see the anaesthetist and for another scan due to baby measuring big. I'm hoping for a vaginal birth but they are worried ill need a c section after all. But if all is ok I'm being induced at 39 weeks. Blood pressure still high but no protien in urine so all is good. May need medication to lower bp at next visit though.
Roll on jan and get this baby out is I can say!!

Howly Mon 09-Dec-13 13:13:16

I'm really miserable, my morning sickness is getting worse and today I was sick at work (in school as I'm a teacher!) I was sent home! My sickness is all day and getting more severe, I could stomach food last week up until yesterday but now I'm actually gagging and being sick I don't want to eat anything! I'm terrified this is going to last a long time and I'm really struggling to teach at the same time, I dunno how I'm going to cope if it doesn't improve, not helped by the fact I'm a worrier and have already had 2 weeks off this term having my appendix out! My husband is going away too, I can't cook without gagging! Dunno what to do with myself!

LucindaE Mon 09-Dec-13 14:30:47

Howly You poor thing, I don't know if you saw my message below, I had this idea that you were Holly because the name is so like, so I didn't welcome you properly, sorry, that's awful. You poor thing, it must have been bad for them to send you home, are you on meds? You need to be. How are liquids staying down? Have you got those famous kesostix to check for dehydration levels?
Butterfly How did the visit to GP go?
Sally Mother hen knows a good bra for a heavy bosomed woman should take the weight not on the straps, a common fault if they're an ordinary bra just made bigger in the cup, but below, so that it would support even without straps and you don't have the staps too tight. Otherwise, it's a recipe for shoulder ache and even headaches from the neck. You lucky thing about those wooden floors, but it's a matter of taste. You've even got the cot, my goodness how organised. I borrowed a rocking crib with drapes from BIL and only got a cot later on. The baby insisted on being in the bed, anyway.
Meerka Great links for Butterfly. So glad you were able to do that trip.
Back soon.

Howly Mon 09-Dec-13 15:04:04

Hi Lucinda I don't know what to do, this is the first day I was sick, it's not just the sickness, I'm dizzy and exhausted! I was doing ok, as long as I kept my stomach full I would feel ok, today nothing helps, feel sick on an empty stomach and feel sick after eating! Horrible taste in my mouth all the time!
I will book to go to the doctors tomorrow, not been so far so no meds.
work sent me home because I'm a mess!
I feel like I'm over exaggerating especially after my dad informed me yesterday that 'I'm pregnant, not ill)!

Meerka Netherlands Mon 09-Dec-13 15:10:00

howly if you're like that and if you have the dreadful taste in your mouth, its probably the full HG sad

You do need the docs. I will copy paste what I wrote to butterfly. I do hope you can get treatment -now- rather than later because it's supposed to really be more effective in staving off the worst. If you get bad, it's hard to get better but if you start the meds early, it stops you going that far down, at least for most people.

to quote again:

when you go to the doc's, arm youreslf with info. At least then you will know what's what, because quite a lot of doctors still don't.

The two really useful sites are the NICE site - all doctors are supposed to follow the guidelines and the Pregnancy Sickness support site. it's excellent.

The first link is here cks.nice.org.uk/nauseavomiting-in-pregnancy

and the Preg Sickness Support site is here www.pregnancysicknesssupport.org.uk/

best of luck, everyone with serious sickness needs good support and treatment

Howly Mon 09-Dec-13 15:20:26

Thank you

LucindaE Mon 09-Dec-13 17:03:12

Howly No insult to your father, but he's confusing Hyperemesis with normal MS; most people do, even a number of doctors seem to. I can't better what Meerka says. Also, the worst danger is dehydration so do invest in some kesostix from a chemist to test your urine. I hope the GP gives meds, the earlier this is treated the better the chances of treating it effectively before you go into a spiral of vomting-dehydration-hospital -for-IV meds and fluids which is so awful.

Meerka Netherlands Mon 09-Dec-13 17:42:46

howly if you get to the really annoyed stage with well-meaning but unaware people, this page on the site on Lucinda's post has some lovely woman-at-the-end-of-her-tether comments.


perfect for the people who say 'oh I'm sure you'll feel better soon', 'It'll all be worth it' and 'have you tried ginger? ' etc

livingzuid Netherlands Mon 09-Dec-13 17:59:03

'pops in' the taste is the worst. Nothing gets rid of it. I feel like it comes out of every pore in my mouth.

Made schoolgirl error of eating a whole of the big round snackajacks. Sorry to all the new folk here sad

'back to sofa reclining apretending to ignore severe nausea'

butterfly86 Mon 09-Dec-13 18:41:29

Meerka thank you for the links smile

Lucinda I couldn't get app with doc I did however bump in to my consultant today whilst waiting for a scan I briefly told her how I was feeling she said to not eat any big meals but just what I could manage blah blah blah she was going to test my wee to see if I was dehydrated but must have forgotten she was only passing by so didn't have lots of time to ask her things. She didn't mention meds or anything and now because of that I'm scared to go to the docs and get something maybe with my mc history she would rather I didn't take anything. I have vomited today but managed to keep down a biscuit some s&v crisps and toast which is better than the last few days I still feel dreadful though and can feel a sick episode coming shortly I've just lay on the couch most of the day, dreading work tomorrow I've been off on a weeks hol so don't know how I'll manage.

Meerka Netherlands Mon 09-Dec-13 19:13:35

butterfly it might not have been possible for the consultant to realise how bad it is from a quick conversation.

Do think you need to see the doctor and hope he or she knows of HG.

LucindaE Mon 09-Dec-13 20:40:23

Butterfly I so agree with Meerka again, don't let that put you off seeing a doctor asap. Plus my own bossy comment, do get those kesostix from a chemists so you can check your own urine, it's really easy. The dr's won't prescribe anything that could induce miscarriage or be harmful to the baby, and you do need medical help.
Livingzuid Poor you. Oh dear.

butterfly86 Mon 09-Dec-13 20:42:58

Meerka you might be right I'll either go to the docs then ring consultant to check if they prescribe something or just ring consultant and explain how ill I feel and see what she says.

butterfly86 Mon 09-Dec-13 20:47:06

Sorry Lucinda cross posts I will get some stick tomorrow from the chemist and check I'm bound to be dehydrated all I've had to drink today is about half a pint of robinsons orange maybe a little more. When I've been sick tonight all I'm bringing up is this white frothy stuff (sorry if tmi) I think I've even ran out of bile haha.

SliceOfLime Mon 09-Dec-13 20:58:31

Hello everyone I'm so glad to see this thread is still running - thank you Lucinda ! I was here three years ago when pregnant with dd and am now just 6 weeks and feeling terrible. I just feel constantly as if I'm about to be sick and only manage not to by clenching my teeth together. Quite frequently during the day I retch but nothing comes up. It was the same last time, I used to throw up only once a day or sometimes every other day but constantly felt on the verge of it.

It's so depressing and I have already cried several times in the last 2 weeks since i started feeling sick, wondering how the hell I am going to get through the next 34 weeks, while at the same time being desperate to keep this baby as I have MC twice before. I am hanging on to the fact that I survived this once before but my god it's hard. It's so relentless. Every minute of every day feeling sick and people who haven't had it can't imagine it. Thank you all for being here and I hope everyone has a good, non-vomiting night. I'm off to bed now as the only time I don't feel sick is when I am asleep...! Better eat something first though even though it's the last thing I feel like doing. Bleurgh.

ChaffinchOfDoom Mon 09-Dec-13 21:21:24

It is relentless guys, but I felt 5% etter at week 14, another 5% better at week 16 and about 25% better at week 18
now Im week 23 and managing on 2 ondansers a day; as long as I eat regularish I can even hang on for later meals, like my work do, it was fine. the winter root veg soup was FAB.

am properly craving hot chocolate now; Im obvs so calcium deficient, it's been yogurt and now hot choc mmmmmmmm

Hugs to you all; it is the hardest thing in the world to manage as eating and food come into so many spheres of life, you feel like you lose so much joy, but as Lucinda says - this too shall pass

I found it depressing with my ds2 as it was such a shock, but this time I have been more accepting and less anxious, you have to be open to educate others and spread the word - I even lectured my consultant about his lack of knowledge <he probs thought I was a total nob, but hey>

demand more, I went back to the gp again and again for drugs that worked, and dialled 111 for out of hours nhs support - the emergency locum sent me to hosp and it was amazing to be hydrated and get some rest. And he was the most utterly handsome beautiful man you'd ever see in real life, and I puked in front of him 3 times into a bowl. ahhhh the HG memories dreamy face

Totesamazeballs Mon 09-Dec-13 21:23:41

Hi all! Hello to new faces!

Slice- I shudder when I remember being at the start do it. This is my second DC too and I didn't vomit quite as much this time so it might be better for you too.

How is everyone? Can't believe Sally and Jen are getting so close to the end!

Living - so agree with the taste. I only feel sick now when I bend down to pick out my horses feet or rush somewhere but that awful taste is 24/7 and not abating at all. I am ironically finding now that my weight gain is too much because I constantly eat to get rid of the taste.

Finding the tiredness hard now with little 18 month old running about. I am 23 weeks! eek!

jenpatnim Tue 10-Dec-13 08:01:47

Hey Totes! I don't feel close to the end - ten weeks feels like a very long time to go! I am managing ok, despite a manic day yesterday in work. Totally shattered and starting to feel somewhat akin to a lumbering elephant. Achy and uncomfortable, and my nipples are itchy and dry already - had to get cream for them. All in all, thoroughly discouraged by the whole experience.

LucindaE Tue 10-Dec-13 10:05:51

SliceofLIme Welcome back. Sorry you are suffering again, very brave of anyone to risk going through this again. Three years already - I wonder if you have changed your name, as I would have thought I'd remember 'lime' because of my interest in the history of scurvy? You poor thing, hugs, that nausea is terrible, and retching unproductively. Are you on meds yet? You are the veteran, but how are the liquids staying down?
Howly and Butterfly Livingzuid How are things today? Re; bracing remarks, I was thinking that in fact, few men could handle ordinary MS, let alone Hyperemesis...
Jen I am sure you don't look at all like an elephant - I'm sure you look lovely.
Chaffinch Lol about lecturing consultant, good, and must have been blush about the puking three times into a bowl while this man watched. Was he the locum?
Totes So glad that the sickness has gone off so much. You have a horse, lucky you?
Sally How are things today? Livingzuid Meerka Hugs.
Holly Thursday Only1Scoop and Everyone I hope managing, not in hospital...
Apologies to anyone rudely ignored.

livingzuid Netherlands Tue 10-Dec-13 10:28:02

Awful today. First time I was sick in a week. Made it to work at 11 and not sure how long I will last but I have to go and get a repeat of my sickness tablets from pharmacy anyway. I was feeling worried about having no work in January as my last day is next Friday but now feeling relieved again that I don't have to struggle to work! Will try and reply properly soon.

Oh and NT results due today. Told DH he had to ask about it as I can't face it. I'm a coward.

Howly Tue 10-Dec-13 11:17:02

Sick and wretching as soon as I sat up In bed this morning, managed to stomach porridge but it tasted disgusting and back to wretchinh again!

I went to the doctors this morning, he signed me off for 7 days and prescribed me 'phenergan' promethazine hydrochloride and told me to only take them when things get really bad!! I don't know what that even means as I'm feeling pretty rough as it is!!

Feel guilty about work but its better for the children if they have a teacher that is 100% not one that is grumpy and trying not to be sick!

Am feeling ok at the moment, managed to eat a slice of toast and an ice lolly but I can feel myself sliding again, my head hurts first then I feel dizzy then comes the nausea again, I get a 10-15 minute respite every few hours!

Hope everyone is managing to get through the morning and then the day! On the upside whilst at the doctors I picked up my pregnancy pack so will have a read and be excited about my little bean!

Totesamazeballs Tue 10-Dec-13 12:09:35

Horse isn't getting the attention he is used to at the moment but not much I can do!

Jen - 10 weeks assuming you are not early. It could be less! I think I went on mat leave 6 weeks before my due date and remember snoozing every afternoon so was obviously pretty tired. And rolling out of bed and not being able to get my socks on! Mind you, I was also painting and decorating! My only consolation to you will be that while everyone else struggles with tiredness and a newborn, it will be bliss for you in comparison to what has gone on before!

Only1scoop Tue 10-Dec-13 13:39:10

Lucinda....and all the lovely ladies I just wanted to thank you for all the support you have given on this thread.
We have had some sad news .... following the MW not able to confirm a heartbeat and subsequently a scan which confirmed our baby stopped growing at around 16wks.
I had convinced myself that all was positive because my symptoms are still so rife.
Sorry to report sad news but wouldn't dissapear without a goodbye. It's the support....info and ....humour which helped me battle through.
I wish you all luck and take care of each other.
Annabelle x

livingzuid Netherlands Tue 10-Dec-13 14:01:35

NT results in. Have gone from a 1:291 risk based on age to 1:2,991. That's good yes? grin still feel awful but now I know baby is going OK it's made me feel better.

And there is a role they want me to apply for at work being advertised today. Probably won't be today knowing how crap our HR department is guarantees but still all things moving in the right direction.

livingzuid Netherlands Tue 10-Dec-13 14:02:56

God Only I cross posted am so sorry to read that. I hope you are OK sad

eggybrokenoff Tue 10-Dec-13 14:09:15

scoop I am so so sorry to hear that, that is an awful thing to happen so late in and when you have been through so much. so desperately sad for you I cant believe you have to go through this

SliceOfLime Tue 10-Dec-13 14:50:41

scoop I'm so so sorry for your sad news. I don't know you but will be thinking of you.

chaffinch and totes thanks for the encouragement, you are both over halfway there hurrah! I still remember how great it felt the day dd was born and I realised I didn't feel sick any more! That mystery stew they gave me or lunch in the hospital tasted delicious... And enjoying a cup of tea again! What bliss...

Lucinda I have changed my name, can't remember what it was before... I'm afraid the lime refers to my fondness for a g&t blush Fluids staying down ok thank you, but I'm not drinking enough, need to really try and keep sipping water.

Howly you're doing the right thing staying home. Think positive thoughts and watch tv, last time I think I watched about 6 episodes of friends a day. For several months...

PunkStar Tue 10-Dec-13 14:59:19

Hi everyone.... Hope it's okay to join, long time reader, first time responder.
Second HG pregnancy, I'm 14 weeks now but feel like I'm about to crack. Seriously, is there no let up?
I'm on steroids which I am so grateful for..I can eat and drink, yay! But the nausea is still pretty relentless, my weight has started to drop a little again (I'd lost 7% by 8 weeks, my BMI was 16, eeeek!!!)
We are working on reducing the steroids and I'm down to 30mg per day but I'm only just coping on this :-(
Just feeling sorry for myself today. I'm sorry so many of you are going through this too. Big hugs to all x

ChaffinchOfDoom Tue 10-Dec-13 15:02:58

Take care of yourself Scoop, lots of love X

PunkStar Tue 10-Dec-13 15:04:35

Only1scoop..just read your news. I am so sorry. Look after yourself x

ChaffinchOfDoom Tue 10-Dec-13 15:04:50

Hi Punk Im glad you sought help and hope it gets easier for you, 14 wks is a peak time for a lot, but don't worry, another couple weeks and you'll probably feel a little bit better, a little bit is a wonderful relief.

just had a lovely nap with my boots on, so hard to get footwear on and off I just keep them on all day

LucindaE Tue 10-Dec-13 16:48:30

Only1Scoop Just got back from shopping to read your post - I am so sad for you, it is such a hard thing when it happens later on like this, and especially when you've suffered for weeks as you had. I had an mmc but it was much earlier when you'd expect it. Hugs. thanks. It is so nice of you to think of coming back to thank us at such a time, you must be devastated.
PunkStar Welcome, poor you, mother hen says remind yourself that this lasts longer than normal MS for almost everyone, as others say a couple more weeks may make all the difference. You will get there. So you had no weight to lose, my goodness, and for them to get through everything onto steroids so early you must have been really ill.
SliceofLime I wonder - if it was three years ago, might you have been Slippers Ceaser MaryLou242 LA21? I am always so happy when people come back - that sounds awful, I don't mean I'm happy they are suffering - it's too bad the way so many women have it again, but that they think of this thread as a refuge! Glad liquids aren't too bad - I'm sure you remember I swear by full sugar flat coke and I seem to have been unusual in that I found Ironbru really soothing, and flat Lucozade.
Livingzuid That is an excellent statistic!
I hope Butterfly and Howly have had some notice taken of them by a GP... (clucks).
Apologies to anyone rudely ignored.

Meerka Netherlands Tue 10-Dec-13 17:11:41

Only1scoop, I am so very sorry.

Hello Punkstar

Totesamazeballs Tue 10-Dec-13 19:23:21

Only1scoop - I am so sorry. When I had a MMC, although it was a lot earlier, I couldn't get my head around it because I still felt SO sick. It all felt so unfair and there is nothing anyone can say to make the pain go away.

PunkStar Tue 10-Dec-13 19:37:06

Thanks for the welcome :-)
Hi Lucinda...I started pre-emptive treatment the minute I found out I was pregnant, it didn't take long to work through several anti-emetics and by 7 weeks obstetrics put me on ondansetron, it helped reduce vomiting but I still couldn't eat...even with ondansetron and 30mg prednisolone at 9 weeks the vomiting started again....I only got any respite on 45mg pred.
It is so nice to have this refuge. As wonderful as my family are they can't understand what it's like when even the wallpaper and carpet in your own home makes you sick! I've actually moved in with my Dad as he looks after my one year old while I lie still for most of the day! OH has mentally busy job, it's very uncompromising and family matters aren't considered. I'm self employed so although I don't have the burden of begging for sick notes, I have no income at present....
Ooooh I could whinge all night ;-)
Am keeping up hope for the next couple of weeks showing some improvement....just gotta keep my head down and keep strong. When did you guys turn the corner so to speak?
I think I could function by 20 weeks last time and I managed to work PT by 22 weeks but I never felt well and busy days would prompt spewing.
I can't believe I went through HG last year (not as severe as this time but still made me hate everyday of being pregnant) to put myself through it again, bah never again!!!!

Meerka Netherlands Tue 10-Dec-13 19:45:05

last time I began slowly, slowly to improve around week 21. never fully went away but at least I could get out of bed for more than 2 hours a day and turn over in said bed without upchucking.

this time it's been a great deal better, started to improve week 11, life is bearable now at week 19 + 6. Def HG though, lost 6% of bodyweight in 7 weeks + the vile, vile taste in mouth and excess saliva. Sadly any real effort and I end up chucking up again sad

at least it's not as horrendous as week 9 the whole way thru ...

livingzuid Netherlands Tue 10-Dec-13 20:03:49

punk hello I am around 14 1/2 weeks and after thinking things had eased up a bit with just some nausea in the evenings it came back with a vengeance last night. So I guess the peak around this time makes sense. I had horrendous acid though so it seems to be either acid or nausea. Lucky us. Looking forward to it tailing off!

Nuttela returned for the first time today I was gutted. But I had it on a roll rather than white toast so I blame it on that grin then had to leave early and make mad dash to pharmacy to get sickness tablets then was sick again at home. My latest food that seems to stay down now is would you believe ready made pizza bases with the puree on already (those ones from Albert Heijn Meerka) topped with some wafer thin Ham and a bit of cheese. Has to be well cooked and crunchy, if it is normal cooked it's no good confused

lucinda my headaches had eased along with the nausea but is back - feels like more of a tired headache because I had insomnia last night. Didn't have any during the day thank goodness and had to drive home into the sun so that made it worse!

Icy cold diet coke remains my miracle cure but really trying to make sure I don't have too much. Just 1 a day when I am at my worst. Icy cold water is a good second choice so I try to trick myself with that!

sally how is the move going?

jen I can hold vomit in. It's a completely different kind of vomiting than when you have a stomach bug. I can deliberate for about two hours before resigning myself to going to be sick. I managed to wait until I got home today although was tempted to go to the in laws on my way home to borrrow their loo! How strange that nurse said it to you...

slice and huly rest and relax smile it takes so much out of us. I can't wait till my last day on Friday next week.

ChaffinchOfDoom Tue 10-Dec-13 20:31:04

had MW checkup today, all fine. my urine was frothy ffs, but all clear :-)

livingzuid Netherlands Tue 10-Dec-13 20:41:22

chaffinch yay smile that made me chuckle as well thank you for giving me the first smile of the day!

jenpatnim Tue 10-Dec-13 20:42:44

Scoop, I am so sorry. My thoughts are with you, and it is so sad, especially after all the sickness. Big hugs and you know where we are if you feel like popping in.

Sally8655 Tue 10-Dec-13 22:37:14

Scoop, so sorry to hear your sad news. Especially as it was so far along. Thinking of you xxx

Living, boxes arrived today. Packing starts tomorrow! But dh is so strict about not letting me do anything. That's rather stressful for a control freak like me!

I've spent the day in bed as I'm having rather painful Braxton hicks. My sister has just been over to do my highlights as I've been so ill to think if my 2 inch roots until now. Back in bed and exhausted


Howly Wed 11-Dec-13 08:45:25

Took the meds last night before bed and so far so good, although I've not got out of bed yet!! Think I'm a little dehydrated and haven't wee'd since 10 last night and still don't need to go, plus I've got a head ache but no nausea!!

LucindaE Wed 11-Dec-13 09:11:15

OnlyOneScoop As below, I am so sad for you. I wish I could think of something more soothing to say. It's just outrageously unfair and devastating.
Holly I don't like the sound of that headache at all - it sounds like a dehydration headache. Bossy mother hen wants to know if you've got kesostix - how the liquids are staying down, if your skin feels dry or your vision blurry? Don't want to worry you, but do take that level of dehydration seriously.

Howly Wed 11-Dec-13 13:21:28

Hi Lucinda, I've not managed to get any stix, might see if my husband can pick some up. Ive eaten porridge, which stayed down, slept for 4 hours and now just having a glass of water before eating again. The tablets are working, I don't feel the nausea or want to be sick but still have a knotted feeling in my stomach, but they are a sedative so I'm a bit drowsy!

LucindaE Wed 11-Dec-13 16:39:02

Howly That's great about the porridge - with any luck that and the glass of water should lower those ketones. Good idea about getting OH to get some.

Totesamazeballs Wed 11-Dec-13 22:06:59

Howly - it's very hard to keep hydrated. I would pee twice in 24 hours in those early days and couldn't actually drink. I lived off lollies. Have you tried the R Whites Lemonade ones? Seem to have helped others on here too...Lucinda I think you mentioned them?

Sally - I don't envy the moving. I did DIY all though my pregnancy with DS. We were renovating our house so had to get it finished. I was painting and all sorts a few days before he came. Maternity leave certainly wasn't a rest for me but I suppose it kept me fit!

Booked a gender scan for Saturday as a cheer up. feeling a bit lonely at the moment. DH is working late (11/12pm) nearly every night in his new job and I really miss him. DS keeps waking at night so I am struggling with energy now and hasn't seen him at all for the past few days. I don't know how single parents do it. I really don't. I think DS misses a male presence in his life too as well as missing his daddy. He got a bit tearful when Grandad had to go home today.

Anyway, paltry moans, just needed to get that off my chest.

Meerka Netherlands Thu 12-Dec-13 10:09:20

|Hiya Totes, hope you are doing okay this morning. And everyone else

LucindaE Thu 12-Dec-13 11:08:44

Meerka Hello, I hope not to bad this am? Totes That is an excellent way to cheer up. What long hours. What does he work as? I hope this is unusual?
Howly How are things on meds and Everyone I hope not too bad today.

Howly Thu 12-Dec-13 12:27:21

Hi ladies, I had a bad evening last night but feel much better today!

I took the meds yesterday and thought all was well but was very drowsy and dizzy to the point where I struggled to stand up! So me being stubborn decided to have a shower but ended up passing out and vomiting, it was a bit scary. I managed to drag myself and my half washed hair to my bed and waited for my husband to come home, he made me eat pasta and loads of veg and lucozade and I felt much better.

I stopped the meds and feel better today, not been sick and eaten porridge and toast!

My baby blueberry is putting me through my paces!

Totesamazeballs Thu 12-Dec-13 12:43:11

howly - very scary! I felt worse on the meds (cyclazine and Maxalon). It was a battle to get Maxalon prescribed alright so I didn't go back to the doc after and ask for so ethi g different. I think ifi hadn't had the support for DS and I from family I would have had to go back, but I decided to go med free and never got so dehydrated I had to go to hospital. I always managed some crackers or a lolly during the day. I wasn't as bad a many on here.

Now I have gone the other way and can't stop eating.

Thanks Meerka. We went to a class this morning and have hair cuts this afternoon so nice day planned. It is probably every other day DH does a late night. He leaves early too. He works in London and it's a new contract were he has had to do a lot of learning on the job so he has been putting in long hours to solve problems. It is a good opportunity for him/us so I don't complain to him. I don't earn either so we are reliant on his success!

LucindaE Thu 12-Dec-13 13:08:50

Howly How horrible, and dramatic! I was checking back,but I can't find what meds you are on - but if they make you feel that bad, mother hen advises you get them changed asap, if it was the meds,and the GP should prescribe something else. I'm glad OH came to the rescue.
Totes It's good you managed to keep out of hospital. Let's hope these long hours lead to brilliant opportunities for DH.
PunkStar Poor you, I remember thinking that the pattern on the bedroom carpet made me feel worse. Swirls...
SliceofLime And Everyone how are you all? I hope no hospital admissions...

Pollaidh Thu 12-Dec-13 13:54:55

Hello sufferers

I was suffering HG from jan to about aug this year, and am happy to say I am now out the other side with a beautiful baby boy who is absolutely massive and doing very well - no effects of HG visible. I had a terrible pregnancy (HG 5 admissions, gout due to dehydration, SPD causing me to use crutches/wheelchair from about April until now, a stay in high dependency when my heart started to suffer from dehydration strain, gestational diabetes (living off lucozade did not help), polyhydramnios and macrosomia...).

I had to have a c-sec at 37 weeks due to previous birth complications and the gestational diabetes and the baby ended up in NICU but for reasons not related at all to the HG. The muscle loss due to HG has meant getting walking again has been very difficult, but I'm getting there.

I'm not completely over the HG as I still feel slightly nauseous in the mornings and there are some foods I still can't face, but compared to vomiting up to 30 times a day (at its worst) it's brilliant. Won't ever be having a baby again though, wouldn't be fair on the family or my body. My priority now is to get muscle back and build up my health.

So thanks again everyone on the board who helped and sent me to hospital when I needed it but wasn't willing to admit it. I only recognise Tallyra and Lucinda's names, but I really feel for the rest of you who are still going through it. Hopefully it's reassuring to hear someone's come out the other end with a healthy (and large) baby.

Meerka Netherlands Thu 12-Dec-13 14:59:55

Oh my goodness pollaidh what a terrible time you had and with aftereffects :/ That's one of the worst times I've heard of.

So glad you have a lovely little boy now.

howly I hope youré better. If there's two things they say it's that you really need to rest if you have HG, and get early meds. Please don't try to push yourself too hard!

It's a good day here. Not vomitting much at all now though the nausea makes things miserable at times. But considering how very much worse it could be, it's endurable. Specially as husband and mother in law help so very much. We had a scan yesterday and saw the little bugger hiccuping and chewing with his jaw. It was just lovely. 20 + 2 weeks now.

PunkStar Thu 12-Dec-13 15:31:40

Howly Sorry to hear you're having a rough time. Showers are still a big no for me....even the thought makes me shudder. When I was in the depths of HG I went five days with no washing at all, MIL eventually ran me a bath and brushed out me dreads :-)

Pollaidh I love hearing when someone has escaped HG....your journey sounds particularly traumatic. Hope you are enjoying motherhood. I found a newborn a piece of piss after HG....didn't know what anyone was moaning about. Lack of sleep....yes....but I can eat and enjoy it!

Meerka oooh 20 week scan, very exciting. Can't wait for mine...20th Jan. Am going to find out sex. Am also relieved hospital didn't ring t'other day which they would apparently if the combined test came back high risk, huzzah!

I'm 14+5 today and I have so far not vomited! And have even been downstairs for several hours to help MIL with The Little Boy. Nausea feels more tolerable. Had really been struggling on 30mg pred, was supposed to drop today but have had to maintain, feel positive may get down to 25mg in few days. Consultant really good...have written steroid plan but he's given me his email address if need quick advice!
A far fry from my last pregnancy where I rotted in my bed for three months....

PunkStar Thu 12-Dec-13 15:33:03


jenpatnim Thu 12-Dec-13 16:36:53

Hey all, just checking in. I have 5.5 more days of work and can't wait to be off. Unfortunately I have pelvic pain starting, I am feeling distinctly miserable when I walk around.

My friend in Australia who is 1 week behind me failed her gluten tolerance test and has gestational diabetes. I had a blood sugar blood test taken on Monday 2 Dec when I was at the hospital and I haven't been called in for a GTT - so do you think I can assume I am ok in that department?

Nausea still popping in every now and then, but I can eat and so on.

Other major concern is OH's mother - she was round the other night making all these statements about things she would be doing when the baby is born and how when he is at her house she will be ... feeding him his first taste of chocolate, giving him cabbage water in his bottle, letting him play however he likes and not worry about him getting dirty and she hopes I won't be one of those mothers who runs around after the child with baby wipes not letting him get dirty.... also she won't be doing overnights or poopy nappies, only wet ones.

I am distinctly uncomfortable with these declaratory statements about how she intends to call the shots about all sorts of things I haven't even had a chance to work out yet. I have no idea how concerned with baby wipes I will be, but I do want the ability to decide when he gets chocolate and treats - I need to be able to set my own routines but I feel she is undermining me before I even get the chance to set them, by stating that she will willfully do whatever she likes when the baby is with her. The temptation was to say that he wouldn't be with her under those circumstances but I know we will need her when I go back to work so I can't shoot myself in the foot just now.


Sally8655 Thu 12-Dec-13 16:42:16

Uh oh, just had a call from the hospital, giving me wrong as I didn't attend a bp check :-\
Apparently i have to attend every week for a 4 hour check up! Crazy, as if I'm not there enough already. I'm there like 2-3 times a week. If anything it's making me more poorly as I have to wait around in there for hours while its ridiculously overheated and uncomfortable. Never mind the getting there and finding parking. I asked if I could just see the GP or community midwife and was told no.
They may aswel just keep me in if they are that concerned.

Fed up :-( just want to rest.

Sally8655 Thu 12-Dec-13 16:51:45

Sorry Jen x posted.

That's awful. I have had to set my family straight as they seem to think they'll be doing all sorts too. I will probably have to say more as time goes on and lay down the law. I probably will follow baby around with wipes and will not be allowing to eat chocolate regularly.
But that's just me and hopefully others will respect that.

So pleased your on mat leave soon. That must be such a relief xxx

LucindaE Thu 12-Dec-13 17:28:30

Pollidah So nice of you to come back on to encourage people, I remember your awful sufferings, one of the worst cases on here, and the SPD and crutches and diabetes. What can you do when the only thing that will stay down is Lucozade, as you say? I am so sorry you still feel sick in the mornings, that is tough, I do so hope to goes off soon, that so unlucky. I am glad baby is so healthy and I do hope you manage to get back into full health soon. Hugs.
Sally Four hours is a dismal long time. How infuriating!
Punk This sounds encouraging.
Jen How annoying of MIL - is she being defensive, or is she rather a controlling person? I can see it's very awkward - you don't want it to become an issue between you and OH particularly.
Meerka Hugs, that is nice about the scan!
Apologies to anyone rudely ignored. I have one of those scrawled messages where I can't read my own writing for someone.

Meerka Netherlands Thu 12-Dec-13 18:34:13

Hrmm yes jen that is worrying :/ I hope you and your husband both feel the same way. That will really help in negotiating what is going to be a tricky situation if she does behave like that sad

Sally, what a PITA but at least they are monitoring you really carefully ... how long to go now?

Sally8655 Thu 12-Dec-13 19:40:03

Still another 5 weeks if not before, I'm hoping its before, but not until I move house. Not asking for much am I :-)

PunkStar Thu 12-Dec-13 19:52:18

Jen have been mega impressed with how you have survived work....I'm hoping at 20 weeks I'll be able to return. There's no pressure except financial. Did you manage to work throughout or did you have some time off with HG?
Hope the days don't drag for you.
Oh my word re MIL.... the advice and people telling you to do things differently/it was good enough for us, seems to be a national pastime. Is bit of an odd thing to say, bloody chocolate! Cabbage water (wtf?!) complete agreement...you need to have your baby first and find out what works for you and what things are important that other people need to respect (I don't give my 16 month old chocolate to some peoples disapproval but surely my decision? He doesn't know any different yet, will be a different matter when he does though)

Hello Sally sorry I've missed what has happened...I take it you have high BP? Not fair on top of HG. Hope all remains stable for you :-)

I'm having a C Section around 39 weeks...just anything to escape being pregnant. I know this sounds terrible :-(
I had one last time as The Little Boy was breech. I was secretly pleased as I knew I'd have a set date for the torture to end. I even refused an ECV (where they try and turn baby around) An obstetrician studying for a PhD was v excited about this as I was the first person to refuse so I was interviewed for her thesis. She was totally in agreement with my decision when I explained everything ( my Ma was v poorly too and I wanted to make sure she met my baby...which she did )
End of waffle....still no vomit, a near miss but controlled by lying in bed and chucking grapefruit essential oil everywhere.

Keep well fellow HGs xxx

ChaffinchOfDoom Thu 12-Dec-13 20:05:46

MIL and grannies in general can be tricky :-)

jen she is probably just very excited and blathering a load of shite; obvs she is talking far in the future - after 4 months at LEAST if talking about 1st tastes / chocolate etc.

with my PFB (precious first born) when she was barely 6mths old, at Christmas that year my mum grabbed her and gave her a chocolate profiterole. an effing alcoholic one. I could have throttled her. AND she brought indoor fireworks for xmas dinner! I was having kittens.

you have to keep them sweet if you are intending to lean on them for child care, but there are a lot of areas to thrash out, and meerka is bang on when she says about you and OH being in agreement.

these kind of issues are a very long time ahead though, everything will flow naturally when baby arrives and you find your feet. Any MIL worth their salt will be generous kind and supportive; and understand that she has to respect your views! they think they're experts but child rearing has changed enormously over the last 30-40 years. grin

Meerka Netherlands Thu 12-Dec-13 20:10:54

he has a narrow slot to arrive in ..... grins.

Sally8655 Thu 12-Dec-13 20:34:43

Ha, I know. I'll start the rasp tea in a fortnights time, the spicy food and nooky is out of the question taking into account HG and bp :-)

jenpatnim Thu 12-Dec-13 22:09:37

Punkstar, I was lucky in a way. I am a teacher, so I conceived mid-May and the sickness kicked in around week 5/6, which was 2 weeks before we broke for the summer holidays. I had 2 horrendous weeks of work then, being sick in school and feeling like hell, but I didn't really understand it was HG or what that was. I was hospitalised shortly after we broke for the holidays.

I was then off school until I was 14 weeks, due to the summer holidays. I had 4 admissions over the holidays, the last one being days before I started back to work. It was really at the 14 week point that the combination of ondansetron and metaclopramide kept me functioning, although I think I did eat very little still the first 2 weeks back.

As the weeks have progressed I have cut down the meds, first stopping the metaclopramide then cutting the ondansetron to once a day instead of twice. I am trying a wee break from the ondansetron at the moment - not going to take one tonight.

As it works out in the school term from staff days at the end of August until now I have missed 2 days due to nausea/vomiting and 3 days due to a severe cold/sore throat. All in all, I think I have done pretty well.

The summer holidays were hell, with frequent vomiting, constant pervasive nausea, unable to leave the house for days, in and out of hospital and a weight loss of approx 15% bodyweight. I really was very ill, and although I am functioning much better now, I will never forget how harrowing this experience has been.

PunkStar Thu 12-Dec-13 23:09:02

Wow! Sounds like you've been through it but I also think you must be pretty hardy too! I can understand when you're a teacher the pressure you must feel towards your colleagues and students to get to work and not to feel like you've let anyone down. Getting back at 14 weeks especially after what sounds like a Summer of hell is impressive. It's not like you have a job where you can put your feet up if you feel a bit rough either. Massive kudos to you. You really deserve your mat leave, I hope I can manage half of what you have!! I'm sure a lot of us in your situation wouldn't have managed to survive (myself included)
I'm playing it by ear... I put massive pressure on myself last time to get back to work, do bloody pilates, go to the gym and other such crap and it all failed massively. I felt really disappointed with myself and got myself into a bit of a blue spell.
I managed part time work after 20 weeks but would vomit 5-6 times at work and then sleep as soon as I got home.

This time I realised what was going on which definitely
made it easier to get help (well OH to insist on help!) but I've not stressed myself as much about what I'm not doing.
I do hope in the second half I can manage to function on a reasonable level and have some normality return.
I do know that I will never repeat this experience again. I don't think I can mentally face it nor put my family through it. I really hoped with pre-emptive treatment this time I could prevent it happening but it did nothing. There's also that hope that you'll be a lucky one who doesn't get it again.

Good work on reducing the meds too.,,,ondansetron constipation drove me insane! Will look forward to hearing how you are when work free...I'm sure the extra rest will help. Thanks for sharing xx

CrazyThursday Fri 13-Dec-13 08:57:41

Oh jen grandchildren do weird things to grandparents. IME - they all got overexcited sbout "their" grandchild, and kind of forgot she wasn't "theirs" at all. My DM is adamant that she'll be the one to teach DD how to read hmm.... I'd be tempted to smile sweetly and let it gloss over you at the mo. No one knows what it'll be like when the baby arrives (least of all gp's) and you can set your own boundaries then. My parents and PILs all thought I fed DD too much, but none of them BF their children (ie us) so couldn't relate at all.

Hope everyone else is able to soldier on ok.

I hadn't posted for a few days as thought I'd turned a corner and was stupidly feeling all smug that it was easing off at 8 weeks....... I was very very sick (and the other end) all through the night and am now supping on a diorlyte in bed still. Not actually sure if this is morning sickness or a bug. I had a late lunch yesterday and knew it was a mistake letting myself get hungry. Problem now us that I have nothing left inside so am super hungry and can feel the acid building up yet can't face eating so think the acid is going to get worse then when I do eat it won't stay down <sigh>

LucindaE Fri 13-Dec-13 09:23:39

CrazyThursday Poor you, if it's coming out both ends it could well be a bug, though it is one of my happy memories of Hyperemesis. Would jelly help with the acid emptiness, I wonder? Hugs.
PunkStar and Jen I so agree, I was astounded at how Jen battled on. Jen Surely you didn't have all those admissions when on this thread? I remember you horrifying mother hen, going back to work at the beginning of the term. It's a shame the pre emptive meds didn't do more. Well, you are a veteran now - I think anyone who's been through this more than once deserves an award.
Chaffinch I had to laugh 'blathering a load of shite'. You have a way of putting things that tickles me wonderfully! You wouldn't come from the Merseyside area, by any chance?
Meerka Hugs and how is everyone. It only seems to have got light round here, now. Darkest day coming up. Sorry to anyone rudely overlooked.

LucindaE Fri 13-Dec-13 09:24:40

That's a muddled message - the bit about 'pre-emptive meds' is for Punk Star!

SliceOfLime Fri 13-Dec-13 10:01:29

Morning all, retched up some stomach acid this morning before breakfast which was nice. Have managed to eat some mini shredded wheat so hoping they stay down. Handed dd over to my mum as soon as she woke up - feeling like a rubbish parent and dd (2y4m) has started worrying about me, asking is mummy ok, offering me a biscuit 'to make me better' she's so sweet I wish I was hiding this from her better, but it's so hard.

jen I'd say for now just smile sweetly at mil, it'll be ages til she gets time alone with LO and by then you won't be sick just totally knackered and able to take a stand with your oh about the things that are important to you. Just because she's going to help out with child are doesn't mean she gets to take decisions for you.

howly what a horrible experience glad you're a bit better now.

ChaffinchOfDoom Fri 13-Dec-13 10:13:41

Lucinda! am shock you think I'm some kind of vomiting Cilla Black!

I am from the Black Country in the heart of the industrial west Midlands grin

my cough/cold is rumbling on can't eat oranges nor take vit c tablets, so wonder how long it'll last. Got a whooping cough shot booked - anyone else having? between wk 28-32 is peak time to have it, apparently

PunkStar Fri 13-Dec-13 11:04:50

Any tips for sleep? The steroids are horrendous for causing insomnia. I'm talking awake from 2am, finally drop off around 6am then The Little Boy starts chuntering around 7am. I appreciate it is a small price to pay as they have given me some sanity and calories but on very bad sleep nights the nausea is terrible the next day with the voms. I have some cyclizine that I take occasionally at night which does help but if I take it every night it stops having the sedative effect. Any anti-emetics you've found make you groggy...? GP may be amenable if I beg nicely...
Should get better once doseage down a bit but after nearly six weeks of it I'm going a bit loopy.

Sally8655 Fri 13-Dec-13 11:24:24

Chaffinch- I had mine at 31 weeks. I did do alot of research into the shot as I really didn't want to have anything else during this pregnancy due to having so much already in the way of meds and dangerous medical procedures.

I declined the flu jab. Although I usually have this every year, I reasoned that it would not provide any immunity to the baby once born and I only have a short time left to go. So ill have a shot once I give birth. The midwife agreed this was reasonable. In the meantime I'm hibernating where possible!

The whooping cough seemed more important. All my family had this as children and currently it's on the rise. It can last for months, cause sleepless nights and lots of worry. I know in severe cases babies have died. I just thought that if my baby did get this and I could have prevented it or made it less severe, id regret not getting it done.

When it comes to vaccinations though, I think it's entirely at the discretion of the parent and everybody should do what they feel is right.


ChaffinchOfDoom Fri 13-Dec-13 12:30:11

sal agree the whooping cough thing, my leaflet says 4 newborns died in UK this yr so far. they have their first whooping cough/tetanus/polio jab at 2 months, so in that 1st 8 weeks they are open to it

I chose to have flu jab as work in retail and couldn't risk getting flu on top of HG <shudder> nightmarish idea

ChaffinchOfDoom Fri 13-Dec-13 12:31:16

In China apparently they call whooping cough the '1000 day cough'

'tis a vile illness

LucindaE Fri 13-Dec-13 12:40:28

Sally Very good and balanced advice about innoculations. Haven't kept up with latest advice on whooping cough vaccinations - I had the real thing, as did all the school, as a girl hadn't,but obviously none of us had it as badly as her. I know that my OH and my DD had it in London,they'd both had the injections and had it mildly too but I recognised the gasping for air noise I used to make in the middle of coughing fits and DD used to throw up with it. It's a foul thing. DD was given it, I think, before we were discharged after her birth.
Slices of Lime That throwing up bile first thing is so horrible. Grumbling on the first thread had a Terrible Shredded Wheat Experience which I hope you avoid - shock. That sounds so sweet about DD. You mustn't blame yourself for not functioning properly, childen are very resiliant, she'll forget all her worries in no time when you recover from what I've learnt from these threads.
Punkstar Poor you, that is dreadful insomnia. Cyclazine (sp?) makes most people sleepy, but one sufferer on here, I think Murder of Goths found it gave her insomnia, though that is very unusual.
Chaffinch I am sure you are one third of the age, and ten times as pretty as Cilla Black even if you are at present a puker! The reason I ask about that sense of humour is I am a half scouse, I suppose, scouse father, and my OH is one, and when we first met I lived there for three years and I am sure it was there that I developed my weird sense of humour. Looks like they have a good one in the Black Country, too, if you are anything to go by. You live near Margaret O'Hara MOH then, who started the site quoted in the preamble.
I hope Howly and Thursday and all suffering badly are a bit better.

CrazyThursday Fri 13-Dec-13 14:05:37

Thanks lucinda' I keep forgetting about jelly do may send DH out for some later when he's back from work. It is still both ends so am thinking its a bug...

I finally sat up at about 1:15pm and I think the exertion caused me to get all vommy again. So the whopping half a glass of dioralyte came back up. I'm not sure which is worse - big chunders or dry heaves (sorry tmi)....

I was starving though do I've just had a bowl of fruit n fibre. No idea if that is the recommended thing to have but it's what I fancied. Fingers crossed it stays in/down.

slice I feel dreadful to my dd at the mo too, it's all I can do to sit on the sofa, feel so rubbish. Thank god it's the weekend so DH can step in.... Luckily she's with her grandparents today.

punk interesting you say that about being more nauseous when tired... I feel the same tho it doesn't feel like the two should be linked for some reason in my mind. Hope you find a way to sleep better ASAP.

Stay strong everyone!

PunkStar Fri 13-Dec-13 15:07:25

I know, it's very odd isn't it?
The Prof warned me of it but he is the first person I've met (who has obviously never had HG!) who knows everything about HG. He was all 'and do you have excess saliva?'
But told me that I have to rest as more activity makes it worse (hehe was glad OH was there to witness, now I don't feel like it's just me moaning, it is FACT cos the Prof said so!)
I have no idea how it's linked though, maybe something to do with motion? It gets me out of doing the vacuuming anyway ;-)

CT how far along are you? Sorry you've got D with the ongoing V. Not fair at all. Defo sounds like a bug....I'm going to sound like Lucinda here but please keep an eye on the fluids, you're double losing it at the mo!
Hmmmm I do hate the dry heaves, I find them preferable to a power vomit though. I can cope with a petit vom easily,not much damage from that.

Get well xx

Meerka Netherlands Fri 13-Dec-13 16:43:57

oh GOD that excess saliva. Arggggg. It's .... <tries not to swear>

That and the bad taste in the mouth. Yuk Yuk Yuk Yuk Yuk Yuk.

And yes, a bad night = more sickness for sure :/

LucindaE Fri 13-Dec-13 19:05:43

Meerka Oh dear, that sounds nasty.
CrazyThursday Never worry about tmi on here- anything goes. I think dry heaves hurt more but liquids are so much better than half digested food. Do you find the juice of tinned fruit a bit more bearable than other liquids?
PunkStar That saliva is so foul, boiled sweets help a tiny bit. Someone swore by Parma Violets.grin Lol about my recurrent watch -out-for-those-ketones-creeping-up warnings. Ketones Danger. I once did a test on my non pregnant self, though with a really bad puking bug. Despite sipping water, my ketones are 3+ and would have meant an admission had I been pregnant after twelve hours.

Meerka Netherlands Fri 13-Dec-13 19:12:37

lucinda your tip about barley sugars was fantastic.

I had a box sent over and I'm sucking them nonstop (poor teeth, specially as I still can't brush in the evenings or even use mouthwash). It turned out to be a really huge box, husband and I opened wondering what on earth it was and ended up laughing at the giant bag that lay there. Long as your arm, it is.

eggybrokenoff Fri 13-Dec-13 19:18:39

hello ladies. been a while since I posted as generally been ticking along with nausea but controllwd vomming thanks to ondansetron. however unlike previous pregnancies it does seem to be waning. I was so worried what it meant but at last check all seemed ok.

tonight I managed to cook and eat a proper family dinner. only someone with hg can understand what a huge milestone that is. I can hardly believe it - there is hope ladies there is

Meerka Netherlands Fri 13-Dec-13 19:36:09

very good to hear Eggy ... yeah, it really is a big deal isnt it?

CrazyThursday Fri 13-Dec-13 19:38:59

What's the deal with ketones???

ChaffinchOfDoom Fri 13-Dec-13 19:39:19

punkstar interestingly one of the 1st line anti emetics is avomine, a travel sickness drug, again linked to movement. I think balance controlled by your ears is linked to nausea in general, maybe avomine switches off sensors in the brain which respond....

Ive had labyrinthitis before, an inner ear infection where I felt utterly dizzy. didn't make me nauseous though, but in some it does

ChaffinchOfDoom Fri 13-Dec-13 19:41:48

ketones are excess proteins in your urine, your body literally digesting itself as it is dehydrated/starving
happens a lot faster if you're pg and supporting a priority fetus

they are measured visually on ketostix via peeing on them then colour matching a swatch on the tin, either 0 (=fine) up to +4 or '++++' = very bad. hosps admit from 3+ upwards as you need rehydrating

CrazyThursday Fri 13-Dec-13 20:11:50

Oh gawd, that doesn't sound great. Am really struggling with liquids at the mo. I'm 8+2, seeing the midwife for the first time on weds, don't know if the do a wee test then.

I'm pretty convinced this is a bug as have now kept down/in 2 bowls of cereal and a few bites of an apple. Difficult to say when the persistent nausea is always lurking. But I'll deffo go to the docs on Monday is my mouth stays this dry..........

Going back to the point about being tired - I recall in my last pregnancy that if I had a busy day I'd feel fine that day/night but it would catch up on me a day or two later. We had DDs 2nd birthday party on Wednesday so kind of makes sense that yest/today I feel shite.

Dreading the various meals etc over the coming couple of weeks....

Congrats on dinner eggy it is a huge achievement. My DH is losing patience with me now, thinks I should man-up hmm If only he really knew.

eggybrokenoff Fri 13-Dec-13 20:38:59

crazy hopefully your dh will get the bug and you can tell him to man up and provide a list of jobs for him to tackle!!

ChaffinchOfDoom Fri 13-Dec-13 20:45:38

sucking sweets can bring down your ketones
tin fruit -- drink the juice. lovely.
ice lollies
ice cold coke/lucozade
ice cubes
frozen drink cubes
or scalding hot tea
scalding hot florida spring veg soup (ultimate comfort food)

jenpatnim Fri 13-Dec-13 21:19:03

I defintely find that tiredness makes the sickness/nausea worse. I don't know why, but rest is the only thing you can do when it is really bad. Agree on the whole ketones thing - keep testing, keep trying to get any kind of sugar into your body. Plain biscuits, toast, juice.... anything at all.

Lucinda, I think I'd been in on a drip a couple of times before I found this thread. I am glad that I have managed through work this far - although it has been nard going at times. I have found that going to bed for a few hours when I get home from work helps me, and have been doing that all along, most days.

I am feeling huge now at 31 weeks and very aware that there are nine more weeks to grow! Argh!

Re the whooping cough vaccination, my nurse at the docs said I would get called in for it, but I haven't. I completely forgot about it, I must ask about it when I am up there next week.

Big hugs to all, especially mother hen - where would we be without you?

PunkStar Fri 13-Dec-13 22:00:03

How far along are you?
Cooking dinner is brilliant! I hope I can get there soon. I can now sit with other people but can't watch them eat. I have to look away.

I've now had two days with no vomit, have adapted to 30mg pred dose a bit better now so hoping to reduce again in a couple of days. Will have to look forward to another surge in symptoms I suppose. They apparently suppress the symptoms of HG but it's still there lurking like a beast underneath it all. Gah. It's the most pointless condition ever. There is no purpose to it!

A minor complaint... The 'roids have given me a stupid round face on top of my stick body AND acne on face, chest and back. I know minor in comparison to the trials of HG but when you look like a manky, grey and greasy horror it does nothing to enhance this unattractive state. I have five other friends who are currently pregnant, all blooming. One with a weekly FB picture update and she looks bloody brilliant. All glowey and smiley. This is so alien to me. People can actually look good and smile while pregnant??

eggybrokenoff Sat 14-Dec-13 06:58:27

punk I am 17 weeks now and was very very bad in early weeks and all through with other pregnancies.

I agree with rest and actually think the fact I am not working this time must be the reason it has improved

PunkStar Sat 14-Dec-13 08:14:22

Oh those early weeks are hell!! I just did not want to wake up. I wanted someone to induce me into a coma until next June. You just feel so trapped. It really is mental and physical torture. The only way I was able to continue this pregnancy was because we told all my family at 7 weeks, we knew we needed help and we certainly got it. My Dad came up to see me and cried when he saw the state of me!!! I'm now living with him which really helps, I also knew I would never attempt to get pregnant again, so my only chance for a sibling was to battle on.

I will expect awesome Mother's Day presents every year for this.

PunkStar Sat 14-Dec-13 08:14:57

PS I slept last night :-)

SliceOfLime Sat 14-Dec-13 08:44:30

Well done to eggy cooking a meal! I seem to remember feeling slightly better round the 16 week mark last time too, so hoping for the same this time. punk I also can't believe that other people can apparently enjoy pregnancy and actually carry in their normal lives while pg, it seems totally alien to me! I've always said I wanted 3 kids but if I manage to survive this I don't know I'd ever work up the courage to try it again. I need to get some ice lollies and tinned fruit. I hate the way everything smells horrible, keeling the windows open in my room (staying with my mum) but the rest of the house now has a funny smell that makes me retch. Have to breathe through mouth esp in kitchen. Yuk. Thank you lucinda for wise & kind words re dd, she has plenty of attention from her doting granny so she is happy really. I will tell her about baby if all is well when we get to 12 week scan. Everything crossed.

punk who is the prof?? I also have excess saliva and horrible taste in mouth- it's so revolting.

LucindaE Sat 14-Dec-13 09:26:51

CrazyThursday So glad you feel a tiny bit better and have actually eaten. angry about anyone thinking you should 'man up'. I don't think any man would be strong enough to handle this. That's my matriarchal views coming out!
Meerka I am so glad barley sugars helped with that dreadful taste.
Amazing you got a huge sack - hopefully you won't run out for a while.
Eggy Wonderful news about cooking dinner, so nice of you to encourage others still at the hellish stage.
Chaffinch Great tips - I hope some of them came from me when you were at your worst - sadly, tea didn't work for me - I so missed it, I'm a tea addict normally. Excellent summing up of Ketones Danger, too.
Jen Thanks so much for kind words and hugs for mother hen - hugs back - it's awful you went through two admissions before you even found this thread, one feels so alone with this.
I'm sure you look much better than you feel. Hugs too, you may yet start glowing, so glad you have got good support from family, that makes such a difference. 'The Prof' sounds like someone in a film...
SliceofLime Your DD will have a companion to side with her against grown ups which is priceless.
Apologies to anyone rudely ignored. Back soon.

PunkStar Sat 14-Dec-13 09:33:48

The Prof is Professor Roy Taylor. I see him every four weeks, he is managing my HG. He runs a medical obstetric clinic. He has researched HG for years and has some papers published which are visible on the internet.
He has kept me out of hospital despite significant weight loss and at one point I was barely able to stand.
This has made a dramatic difference to my coping in this pregnancy compared with my last. My HG is managed with regular medical checks without me having to wait until things deteriorate with plans in place with what to do should things take a turn for the worse. This should be happening for everyone!!!! Not left to rot until it's so late you need admitting and everything has spiralled out of control. Aggghhh, I feel so angry when I think about it. There needs to be UK guidelines for medical professionals to follow so everyone is getting the same level of care.

The smell thing is insane isn't it. I can't stand the smell of myself, sometimes even my own breathing smells, like there's something in my nose, I carry around grapefruit essential oil.

Hope the scan goes well, something to look forward to (except the journey there!)

I hated hated hated happy pregnant women in my last pregnancy. I am much more tolerant this time.

Tallyra Sat 14-Dec-13 12:22:12

Your prof sounds amazing punk! that is how we should be treated, not by sending us away to get worse!

Well in my world, I'm now 22w and everything is still good, no sickness and I've been discharged from the clinic saying everything should go as normal now. I do have a chest infection with violent coughs that verge on throwing up but it's so far from the hg problems it's minor in relation to it. Keep going everyone, eat whatever you can and relies that it will all be worth is someday soon xxxcx

Meerka Netherlands Sat 14-Dec-13 16:34:25

There needs to be UK guidelines for medical professionals to follow so everyone is getting the same level of care. There are - here It is just getting doctors to follow them sad

Your prof sounds a star. Barely able to stand? god, punk that is bad sad Really hope you turn a corner and get the improvement so many of us do.

Glad you feeling a bit better now - well, a lot better? - tallyra

20+3 weeks here, 19+4 to go. Evenings still miserable, i ought to go to bed in early evening but force myself to stay up becuase I'm so tired of the bedroom. On the good side, I sleep better than for years.

Sally8655 Sat 14-Dec-13 16:36:55

Just back from the hospital. Bp was a bit lower. Have discovered though that I have an infection. Just another thing to add to the list.
That would explain alot of the pain.
Walking through Costco earlier i experienced loads of really painful Braxton hicks. They are so much more frequent now and always hurt. I honestly think this baby is going to come earlier than expected. The docs and midwives have said all along that baby is measuring weeks ahead. I have a growth scan soon so we shall see!

Sally8655 Sat 14-Dec-13 16:42:31

X posted

Meerka, I'd definitely get to bed earlier and make the most of the sleep while you can. You need as much rest as possible. Plus when I got to the 27/28 week mark it started to get really difficult to sleep at all despite feeling like I was going to pass out with tiredness constantly.
Now at 34 wks I rarely get any shut eye and its miserable.

Meerka Netherlands Sat 14-Dec-13 16:59:53

Oh christ sally are the hospital treating the infection??? please say yes.

I will go to bed a bit earlier yes. Im lucky in that we put arrangements for child care in place as soon as we knew I was preg, given how it was last time, so in fact I don't have to do much childcare (much as I miss him sad ) and do actually nap each day. Not much choice about it actually - when little Lucky wants a nap, my eyelids close.

But I know I should go to bed earlier, you're right.

Please let us know about getting the infection treated. Uterine infectoins are ... scary.

Sally8655 Sat 14-Dec-13 17:26:17

Sorted with antibiotics and then hopefully it'll be plain sailing from now on!

Meerka Netherlands Sat 14-Dec-13 17:30:14

Thank you for letting us know ... fingers very much crossed for you!

CrazyThursday Sat 14-Dec-13 18:39:57

Oh sally hope the infection clears soon.

meerka get thee to bed early missus. I reckon I'll be hitting the hay after x-factor!

So today I've felt MUCH better which makes me think it was deffo a bug. However I think I over-ate at lunchtime and felt gross all evening. I really struggled at dinner time then dd filled her nappy so I had to toddle off for a few heaves. Thank god DH is here to take care of dirty nappies. Fingers crossed all the weekday ones will be when she's at nursery or her grandparents wink

The smell thing is ridiculous. I remember last time wretching at the smell of frozen bread in the freezer - wtf - that doesn't even register on my sniff-o-meter usually!!

After DD us in bed I'm sending him to the shop for jelly, boiled sweets, tinned fruit and lollies.

Happy sick-free Saturday night girls!

CrazyThursday Sat 14-Dec-13 18:43:57

Oh and also I meant to ask do you test your own ketones?? If so, how? And if they are "bad" do you go to the docs??

And I've had a big chat with DH today and said I'm not being dramatic and just need him to step up and help me rather than tutting and rolling his eyes. I told him about ketones and said it could all get hairy and that seemed to put the fear of god in him to the trick and he's now being very attentive smile

Meerka Netherlands Sat 14-Dec-13 18:54:20

glad to hear about your DH. maybe prod him to take a look at this site? www.pregnancysicknesssupport.org.uk/

with HG he'll be lucky if you manage anything.

eggybrokenoff Sat 14-Dec-13 19:10:33

crazy - I was going to say same as meerka show him some stuff online and make him see what it is really like.

I too have/had smell thing. last pg I was convinced there was a weird smell in the house. I had rugs washed, carpets cleaned, dog bathed in eucalyptus shampoo (to his disgust). still stank to me! this time when I get in shower and get wet initially its like all my skin smells of onion or something. weird.

CrazyThursday Sat 14-Dec-13 19:30:24

I found that my, erm, bits smelled all rubbery before. Most unpleasant odd. Though DH reckoned nothing had changed. I feel like a fricking werewolf most of the time - sniffing the air like a right weirdo.

PunkStar Sat 14-Dec-13 19:44:17

That sounds rotten. I hope everything gets under control soon and the anti-biotics help. At least the BP isn't high! I am so envious of you being at 34 weeks but then I appreciate how long you have been struggling for and another 4-8 weeks still seems like an eternity.

Prof RT has given me my sanity. The first thing he said to me was
'HG is a horrible horrible condition, truly terrible ' just that alone made me feel better, the fact he understood it's really shitty.

Good work on sorting childcare....I was so not prepared but got it sorted in the end. Hope you get more rest soon :-) glad you're getting some daytime nap time.

Brilliant news. I am remaining positive I will be in your position in a number of weeks.

I love that you have created this sanctuary....we are not alone. Although in 'the dark days' I felt too unwell to consider 'chat' online. I must have significantly improved in comparison :-) Sometimes you don't realise until you reflect back on the fact you lived in your pit for a month and only left to vomit. I frequent many house rooms these days, progress!

PunkStar Sat 14-Dec-13 19:45:31

Hehehe that made me chuckle.

PunkStar Sat 14-Dec-13 19:50:17

I went in the bath t'other day (it's not a daily occurrence) and even looking at the clear water made me dry heave....I think this is because I can't drink still water. Weirdly this is because as it has no smell, I can smell the inside of the glass.
This is our super power ladies frickin' ridiculous sense of smell. Not the one I'd choose tbh.

ChaffinchOfDoom Sat 14-Dec-13 20:50:26

yep I still have to try really hard to open the freezer because of the smell of ''freezer'' and the feel of cold wet icy bread. BOAK!!

Thursday - in chemist ask them for ketostix - about £3-£4 for a big tin. little paper sticks. you wee on one end. the darker purple = the more dehydrated you are.
If you are 3+ or more call for an emergency docs appointmet at your out of hours/ get emerg apt with normal doc

ChaffinchOfDoom Sat 14-Dec-13 20:51:39

I also feel like a werewolf :-) due to my hairiness and overall sweatiness and fast growing eyebrows

PunkStar Sat 14-Dec-13 21:00:50

Know the hairy feeling...
I have facial hair! Since the steroids, I've grown man side burns. OH denied their presence but I think he's being polite. Worse because I'm v pale and my hair is a shade lighter than black.

LucindaE Sat 14-Dec-13 21:01:03

Hugs to all, Punkstar I am so glad this thread is helpful, it's awful you were so alone for that month, looking at a pc screen can make it worse when really bad. Meerka Do get some much needed rest, great links as always, and Tallyra I am so glad you feel so much better, it's lovely to hear that,your sufferings were horrible. Sally I do hope infection clears up soon, that's horrible, and CrazyThursdayYou can buy kesostix from a chemists (or online, but that might take longer) and as Chaffinch says, the instructions are very easy to follow, you just pee on them (if you become really dehydrated, of course, that is not easy) and see what colour they go and match it up to the chart and if it's 3* ketones you should go to AandE for admission for IV.
Re: smell I thought my OH stank of roast pork. I used to hold a lavender sachet to my nose in bed. I'm afraid he wasn't allowed near my parts to pass an opinion on them (though I noticed, as I said below, that they were blue!)

Totesamazeballs Sat 14-Dec-13 22:24:32

Hi all!

On the bath front, weirdly when I was unable to drink water I actually fancied drinking bath water. Wtf was going on there!?

Been up with DS every night for the last week....again I repeat ..wtf is going on there??

He has a full- blown cold now so has an excuse tonight. fhmm

Had a scan today. It's deffo a girl! The secretary remembered me from week 7 when I stumbled through the door, clung onto the desk and employed some deep breathing to stop myself from vomming everywhere!

Hugs and vomm free vibes to all!

eggybrokenoff Sun 15-Dec-13 08:18:23

bleurgh. ate another dinner last night and threw up violently at 5am after feeling pants all night. maybe my system isnt ready. worried i am ill though. or have somehow managed to get food poisoning.

Sally8655 Sun 15-Dec-13 08:46:30

Just popped in to say, off to hospital again, Braxton hicks and bleeding. Maybe he is going to make an appearance early like we thought!


Meerka Netherlands Sun 15-Dec-13 09:05:23

Oh gosh sally! will be thinking of you!!

totes congratulatoins on your little girl ... that's lovely!

eggy take it easy today ... do your taste buds give you any idea of what you'd like to eat? (or at least, give you an idea can faintly endure the thought of eating) Maybe a bit of that would help rather than a full dinner

LucindaE Sun 15-Dec-13 10:41:37

Sally Goodness, I will be thinking of you, like everyone.
Eggy Oh no, a virus would be nasty, but so would a relapse. I hope it's a minor glitch.
Totes You made an impression on the secretary, then envy. I knew someone with Hyperemesis who staggered into her son's school office and was sick all over the pc, so that it stopped working. Well, you have to laugh...
Hope Everyone is OK today.

eggybrokenoff Sun 15-Dec-13 12:05:34

bleurgh sick again and feel awful - like its a bug

sal hope its good news soon

jenpatnim Sun 15-Dec-13 13:59:20

Fingers crossed for Sally - hopefully all will go well at the hospital!

I am feeling miserable. Weepy and emotional, and sick. I tried 2 days off the ondansetron and am back on it, feeling rotten. No actual vomiting, but bad nausea, misery and bad acid reflux. Plus the pelvic pain is getting worse, and I am hearing clicking as I move around which suggests SPD.

Also realised my work never gave me the forms to fill in to get my maternity pay from the education board so I really hope that won't be delayed, and much like hearing nothing about the whooping cough vaccination I have heard nothing about antenatal classes, so will have to phone tomorrow and ask what I am supposed to be doing about that. I am 31 weeks - anyone know if I am supposed to have started them or what?

I think it doesn't help that the shared care between my drs and the hospital means I just get seen by the dr and practise nurse at the surgery - my drs has no specific midwife, so I don't have 'my' midwife as such. I don't know who will be delivering my baby and I haven't even met the bloody consultant. I am starting to feel very anxious about it all, as I am realising there isn't a lot of time left.

Might have to go off and have a wee cry here.

PunkStar Sun 15-Dec-13 14:33:05

Aw I'm really sorry you aren't feeling well. Especially after your long slog already. I find the nausea worse than vomiting so you have massive sympathy from me.

I never saw the same midwife twice in my last pregnancy. I hope you manage to get some continuity.

With regards to antenatal classes I was given an info leaflet at first visit from my midwife re NHS classes. I paid to go to NCT antenatal classes in my last pregnancy, most people in the group were early to mid 30s gestation. I still felt unwell at these classes (able to function on a lower than normal level though) but tried my best to act 'normal' when I really wanted to shout,
' I hate being pregnant!!!!!!'
Anyway I managed to make friends with other mothers to be without them thinking I was an absolute loon. I'm still in touch with many now which has been great as I'd just moved to a new area.

Are you on anything for 'the burn?'
I'm taking ranitidine which I find very helpful but I drank gaviscon and milk by the gallonful last time which offered mild relief.

Big hug

jenpatnim Sun 15-Dec-13 14:53:07

Punk, I am taking Peptac liquid which does help, but when I wake up in the night, feeling like I might die from it, I don't walways wake up enough to reach for the bottle by the bed, so I just lie there and suffer. It sounds really stupid.

jenpatnim Sun 15-Dec-13 14:53:55

Also I haven't had a visit from a midwife?

PunkStar Sun 15-Dec-13 15:10:19

Oooops I meant my first visit to her :-)
It's nice to feel a bit prepared so I'm glad I went to classes so would definitely recommend pursuing.

I got a bit of SPD towards the end too I had to flip myself onto my front and crawl backwards down the bed if I needed to get up through the night. I think mine was a bit self inflicted though I tried to walk quite a bit towards the end and stupidly did a few kettlebells (!) to make up for eight months of sloth! A friend had it really bad though and found relief on one of those blow up balls and a referral to physio.

RNJ3007 Sun 15-Dec-13 15:16:32

Hi all. Just wanted to stop in and see how everyone was doing. A lot of new names, so sorry you need to be here, but glad you found Lucinda and the amazing support.

meerka - hope things are ok. Jen, so near the end now. Thinking of you all.

Luke is now 4 months. I still have nightmares about HG, but am at least finally eating normally again.

eggybrokenoff Sun 15-Dec-13 16:15:07

aww jen - hope a wee cry helped relieve some tension. I am sorry you feel so rough. I remember last time heartbearn made sickness so much worse so do try abd treat it if you can. maybe ring gp and ask to speak to a midwife about all the practical stuff? x

Meerka Netherlands Sun 15-Dec-13 17:27:48

Hi rjn3007 lovely to hear from you - how are you doing? Is Luke letting you get some sleep? (lovely name). Know what you mean about the nightmares and flashbacks! But it's soooo nice to be able to eat, and eat with the right taste again.

All the best.

Jen ... hope you are better soon

LucindaE Sun 15-Dec-13 18:06:27

RNJ How lovely to hear from you, I remember you and your goodbye present of being sick on the principal's car so well *the least the mean person deserved)! From the 'finally eating normally' point of view -was it food aversions after such a long haul, a shrunken stomach or were you one of the unlucky tiny minority who suffer after birth ? Thanks for kind words. I do so love people who've been on here coming back on feeling happy with their babies - give Luke a kiss from Mother Hen's beak.
Punkstar Weights, my goodness! I'm glad you were well enough last time to attend classes as time went on and I'm glad you found them a place you could make friends in. I didn't find anyone that congenial, I'm afraid - bad luck, I think.
Eggy I hope feeling a bit better?
Jen Hugs, you poor thing, the school being negligent is so annoying, and not knowing who your midwife will be and so on. I agree with others, the surgery should sort that out. Can the office at school deal with the maternity pay issue too? It doesn't seem much to ask. The nausea back, I hope taking the meds again takes it off a bit. That heartburn is so awful - can make you sick when you think you won't be any more - some on here swear by Ranatadine (Sp). I just drank so much Gaviscon, disgusting stuff. At one stage I found that the only foods that didn't produce it were bread, potatoes, chicken grilled fish, home made vegetable soup and salad. Oh yes, and bananas. I know what you mean about not reaching for the meds because you are half asleep.
Meerka Hugs. Is it very cold over there now?
Howly Has been quiet, and others, I hope surviving.
Apologies to anyone rudely ignored.

eggybrokenoff Sun 15-Dec-13 18:21:03

I either need a big hug or a good slap - not sure which! have had a terrible day which is such a kick after feeling better. I have done nothing we planned with my boys today and my poor dh who is so overworked with Christmas rush has had to do everything. I had the loveliest day yesterday and should be happy at that but im blubbing and feeling sorry for myself. I think I must be ill to suddenly vomit so many times in a day despite meds.
I am gping to have so much tea and cake when this baby comes

Sally8655 Sun 15-Dec-13 18:34:01

Evening all

I'm back home, finally! Bp back up to high and higher reading of protien in urine. Another anti d (my arm feels like its going to fall off) and lots of blood tests and swabbing etc.
they are going to scan me this week instead of waiting until end of month and have to go back tue, thur and Fri for more tests :-(
They never tell me while I'm there but when I read my notes I find out all sorts. Apparently they are starting hypertension meds Friday too. But the mw failed to tell me this.

Jen- I had to ask about seeing the consultant and when I did, was told it should have been much earlier. Was also not told anything by my midwife about the birth. Had to see the consultant to make all plans. Classes I had to book myself as mw did not and I only just got squeezed in but have done mine now so if get on touch with them soon. You'd think as its a first baby they would be hot on stuff like this but nope.

Rnj- so pleased your doing well :-)

ChaffinchOfDoom Sun 15-Dec-13 18:35:58

well last night I went to bed at 9pm after an exhausting day, only to be assailed by the most vicious painful cramp in my feet and slowly moving up my calves - my right calf was so bad. I was trying to walk around, hobbling and unbelieving at the agony.
anyone else had this?? babycentre mentioned it a few weeks ago saying as uterous grows it can cut off blood to the legs causing cramp??

eggybrokenoff Sun 15-Dec-13 18:57:19

oh sally this has been a hell of a journey for you. when are you actually due?

re cramp not me but my friend suffered really badly with it. think it is normal but from mempry think she got it checked out in case

LucindaE Sun 15-Dec-13 19:02:02

Sally Have the contractions and bleeding stopped? How annoying that they don't keep you informed.
Eggy I am sure you need a hug, not a kick - many cyber ones on offer for you and all who feel weepy (I hope Jen feels less weepy now). You are doing brilliantly just surviving through this, as are you all .
RNJ Still can't get over Luke being four months already...

ChaffinchOfDoom Sun 15-Dec-13 19:09:11

consultants like to retain this ridiculous air of mystery

glad you're home sally
hope you have some peace and quiet!

Meerka Netherlands Sun 15-Dec-13 19:13:05

glad you home, god Sally when the baby is out, you're going to be a whole new woman.

Bad day here too eggy, it gets you after a few ok-ish days :s thank god mil took son.

thanks for the hug lucinda. Missing husband though he's back tomorrow. How the hell people manage when their husbands are away for a week or so I have no idea ..

jenpatnim Sun 15-Dec-13 19:24:40

I had a complete meltdown with OH because he asked me if I was ok and it all came out.... I felt a bit better afterwards. Just want to feel ready, you know? I am feeling very unprepared and more than a bit scared.

Sally8655 Sun 15-Dec-13 19:31:15

So pleased to be in bed :-)

I'm officially due 23rd jan but I've been given so many different dates to induce or expect labour as baby is measuring 4 weeks further on. With the high bp etc its more likely to be sooner rather than later.
Would really like it if one consultant would tell me what's going on and stick to it. But then like I said, they don't usually tell me anything and I find out from my notes afterward.
Contractions have slowed again and still bleeding a little but just been told to bed rest and go back in if any changes before my appointment on tue.

RNJ3007 Sun 15-Dec-13 21:18:01

meerka Thanks, as I said way back when, my Grandma chose it on her death bed, so it means a lot. After such a rough journey to get here, we are cosleeping, so I get some sleep. Post jab cold/cough just now, so not much sleep this week! Combined with his awful reflux, it is tough, but we middle through.

Sally hi! Hope you're surviving! I had a sudden onset of high BP, they discussed induction and he beat them to it! 3 weeks early, but he's done amazingly.

Lucinda Lots of aversions (some strong enough to cause vomiting!), a lack of proper appetite and to a point, it was almost like I'd forgotten how to have a meal?!

I can't believe he is 4 months today... And now over 15lbs, from his 5lb13oz at birth. Clearly he was never meant to be a 2nd centile bubba. He's reached the 50th and levelled out now! Thankfully breastfeeding is going better than pregnancy nutrition and he's a Bonny little lad now (I'll pop a pic on my profile)

To all the 'new' faces - hang in there, listen to Mother Hen, she's wise! I wish I'd had the lovely support in my first HG horror pregnancy, and was so glad of the support during the final stretch of my last one.

butterfly86 Sun 15-Dec-13 23:17:36

Hi just wanted to pop back as I haven't been on after getting some great advice last weekend when I was feeling really ill. It has settled in comparison to last w/e so I haven't been to the doc incase it's just normal ms, I'm still vomitting at least twice a day but keeping foods. down only crumpets digestive biscuits or s&v crisps but better than nothing struggling with fluid though and getting a lot of headaches. I got some ketostix as recommended by Lucinda and I was ok it was negative. My sense of smell is ridiculous I was sick the other morning because dh had had a shower and the smell of the water made me throw up! Maybe it is just ms when I read how ill some people are on here I feel like a wimp!

livingzuid Netherlands Mon 16-Dec-13 05:48:46

Hi all waves been away on a training course. I was floored by how tired I was. No vomiting thank goodness but mainly through sheer force of will sometimes. Nausea still bad in mid-late afternoon and threw a hissy fit at DH when I came home and the whole flat stank of food. I had to stand on the balcony.

Countdown to when I finish work on Friday whoop. I can't wait for some time off. Never been so pleased to be unemployed in my life! But 15+2 now and I think I have the beginnings of a bump smile

Sorry to all who are feeling rubbish hope you have better days today.

livingzuid Netherlands Mon 16-Dec-13 05:52:29

Oh and I dropped my phone in a glass of water by the bed confused so had to wait for that to sort itself out. My new s4 mini doh but apart from the old turn it seems better so I can mumsnet again!

eggybrokenoff Mon 16-Dec-13 09:51:35

urg I am proper sick. meds not working puking all night. Must be a bug I think. hopefully not one that can affect baby. and my poor dh has his busiest week of the year and no help with child care. grrr

eggybrokenoff Mon 16-Dec-13 10:43:18

im going to have one more whine and then stop for the day - I miss tea so so so much. hg makes you appreciate the little things doesn't it!

LucindaE Mon 16-Dec-13 11:35:22

Eggy Poor you, it might well be that awful bug. Hugs. Hope it eases a bit soon, puking all night is so lonely and hellish.
Sally Hope you are OK.
Butterfly Glad you are not doing too badly.
Jen I'm not surprised about meltdown!
RNJ Thanks so much for kind words!
Hugs to Meerka and Everyone. I've been struck down with a migraine myself, I hope to be back in due course.
Take care of yourselves.

Meerka Netherlands Mon 16-Dec-13 12:10:28

Oh dear, lucinda hope you are better soon sad

eggy YES about tea!! Missed it so much.

livingzuid Netherlands Mon 16-Dec-13 14:21:24

eggy me too today is awful had to leave work and narrowly avoided being sick in the car - thought I was going to have to abandon it in the middle of the street!

Hope you feel better soon.

livingzuid Netherlands Mon 16-Dec-13 14:21:53

Feel better soon Lucinda

livingzuid Netherlands Mon 16-Dec-13 14:21:53

Feel better soon Lucinda

PunkStar Mon 16-Dec-13 15:26:05

Hope you feel better soon. Only ever had two proper migraines in my life and they were horrendous. Get well soon.

Sorry everyone who's feeling crappy today, seems like there are a few having a rougher than usual time of it. Here's hoping for some better days for everyone xx

livingzuid Netherlands Mon 16-Dec-13 16:28:47

I can't stop being sick. This is the worst it has been. Just bile every 15 mins or so. I haven't eaten properly today - is that why? Thought of food is blergh. Water won't stay down. In bed with a bucket sad

Should I try and eat? DH is making me some white rice. This sounds awful but I can't face the thought of vomiting up any food!

eggybrokenoff Mon 16-Dec-13 18:07:02

living sounds like you need to see a doc. o wouldnt bother trying to eat unless it helps - focus on any fluid ypu can stomach - ice lollies maybe? Could be a bug?

livingzuid Netherlands Mon 16-Dec-13 18:44:55

Rice was no good. And have now runs. I think it is a bug (thank goodness in a way!) DH has been very unwell with something similar so I think that is what it is, except he had no vomiting. Will try an ice lolly and ice cubes. I will phone gp in the morning if still bad.

livingzuid Netherlands Mon 16-Dec-13 18:50:16

Also took sickness tablet and kept it down for 35 mins - long enough or no? Not bothering with anything else medicinally tonight. DH phoning hospital to see what they want to do now.

Meerka Netherlands Mon 16-Dec-13 19:02:48

Ouch, living, I hope it's a bug and goes soon. If you don't want to eat anything, don't. If you do want to try anything, then maybe thin soup? but one day without food / much water won't hurt. If it's a second day without water, that's notably more of a problem.

Hope the hospital can give good advice.

ChaffinchOfDoom Mon 16-Dec-13 19:48:33

sorry to hear people feeling so pants especially so close to Christmas

have started stretching out my calves when Im at home with the heels hanging off a stair for 30 seconds

livingzuid Netherlands Mon 16-Dec-13 20:04:21

If it goes on through the night to call emergency gp. I think it's tailing off as now about 40 minute intervals between being sick. Madly sucking on ice cubes which are just so refreshing but I just want to have a huge drink! Even thouf

livingzuid Netherlands Mon 16-Dec-13 20:05:45

Whoops. Even though it will return. Hope this is over by tomorrow morning. The hospital said the baby would be unaffected so long as it does not last too long.

jenpatnim Mon 16-Dec-13 20:40:00

Sorry guys, you are suffering so close to the holidays. So am I - I felt so queasy and sick when I got home, and in so much pelvic pain that I came home and cried.

Sally8655 Mon 16-Dec-13 23:07:02

Sorry your all so poorly too.

Jen have you seem the physio for SPD. Your midwife should refer you and you'll be given a belt with a support band. I've even got the crutches now but try not to use them. The sooner you get help the less likely you are to get complications after birth.

Sally8655 Mon 16-Dec-13 23:09:52

Ps- living, I hope your sleeping now and not throwing up. Let us know how you are in the morning xxx

jenpatnim Tue 17-Dec-13 00:19:33

Sally this only started on wednesday. My next gp appt is on Monday, I will bring it up then.

livingzuid Netherlands Tue 17-Dec-13 02:43:23

Vomiting stopped around 11.30 where I kept some water down after then vomiting up some water with green food bits?! Google said that was bile but we are going to gp tomorrow to get checked because I have felt quite uncomfortable down there most of the night - not in my uterus but around it. I took some Paracetamol which also stayed down and sorted out my feeling a bit feverish. I'm now on the sofa as DH kept crowding me in bed! Just having some dry retching, keep waking up every hour to see if I need to vomit. So whilst sipping water thought I would post smile 3.40am and there's no way I am going to work tomorrow.

Hope none of you get this bug. It is really awful but the worst seems to have passed thank goodness. Thanks for the kind words smile

livingzuid Netherlands Tue 17-Dec-13 06:56:26

Was sick once more. Blergh. And the runs. Would rather have that than vomiting though. Sipping tiny amounts of water seems to be the way to go - too much and it's a disaster!

Sally8655 Tue 17-Dec-13 08:16:01

Oh living it sounds awful, hope you feel better soon.

I'm off to the hospital again. I'll update you all later xxx

Meerka Netherlands Tue 17-Dec-13 09:53:28

I think you need a room with your name on the door there sally! smile

Living, hope you're feeling better. Good news for the women after us; from april they will offer the blood test in the NL http://www.nu.nl/algemeen/3655871/zwangere-vrouwen-kunnen-april-2014-nipt-test-doen.html

Meerka Netherlands Tue 17-Dec-13 09:53:39
LucindaE Tue 17-Dec-13 11:01:26

Everyone Back up - thanks so much for kind wishes amongst your own nasty sufferings.
Now catching up on thread.
Livingzuid That sounds horrific - I do so hope you are feeling a tiny bit better. There's no way you could avoid getting dehydrated with that level of vomitingand I'm so glad you got reassurance from the medical people - you were so sensible to suck ice cubes. Fancy you being involved in training for something besides surviving - how do you women do it?

livingzuid Netherlands Tue 17-Dec-13 11:27:59

sally hope it goes well.

Why am I always crying at doctors. Gp was lovely good news is my blood pressure is in a normal range and has dropped a bit. Just told to continue with all things icy and not to drink too much in one go. Just taken some Paracetamol which has helped with achey bones. No vomiting so far but so nauseous!

Off for a snooze. It got me thinking these poor women who have the severest hg must be like I was yesterday which is just terrible. I think I got off lightly!

meerka that is good news at last! Not sure I'm ever going through this again though DH said one is enough grin

LucindaE Tue 17-Dec-13 12:36:35

Livingzuid Hugs,glad you are keeping liquids down. I have heard of women suffering so dreadfully that they had to be in hospital on an IV drip for months but that is very very rare, thank goodness - if you were as ill as you were yesterday it would be hell on earth for sure. A woman who had been that ill posted on here some threads ago, with a message of support. Wavesandsmiles on here a couple of threads ago, was so ill she had a permanent thing in her arm left in for IV and had to go for IV every day, but thank goodness she could leave the hospital.
Meerka Followed your link but didn't understand any of it - I can get by in French and Welsh but that's it!
Chaffinch How are things with you? SliceofLime Punkstar and Others? Howly is very quiet, and some others...Mother hen, having pecked at some toast, begins to flap and cluck again...

Meerka Netherlands Tue 17-Dec-13 12:47:51

.. and welsh? wow, Lucinda, neat =)

The link - its basically the blood test for downs will be available in the netherlands from april next year, testing it for 2 years. About time, no other women will have to go through septic miscarriage. Livingzuid and I had pm'd over where you can get it atm, which is Belgium, the UK and Germany, where you have to pay quite a few hundreds for it.

Poor wavesandsmiles sad cant imagine she will ever go through that again. I hope her baby was born well and without having had ill effect

SicknSpan Tue 17-Dec-13 13:57:09

Hello everyone. Sorry to hear that some are still feeling rubbish (and that poor Lucinda has had another migraine- awful for you). Bad news too that more folk have had to join the thread- HG just seems to keep coming at us doesn't it.

I'm feeling a bit better recently, still sick but only when I've done too much/got myself wound up about something and feeling stressy. Eg hairdressers yesterday for first time in months and they over-ran, so had mad panic getting friends to pick dc up from school/ dc worried about where I was/ not behaving great at friends house = I threw up about 5 times last night.

I am 16 weeks now and with 2 previous dc it didn't ease until later on. Grateful for that! I am still on the cyclizine and ondansetron, have tried cutting one dose out but it comes back. Hardest thing at the moment is the excess saliva, yuk. Still nauseous though and really identify with whoever said that they are managing not to throw up through sheer force of will. Takes a lot of concentration, which makes me v tired! Not sure anyone in real life understands and they all just think I'm lazy.

Hang on in there, it does get better xxxx

LucindaE Tue 17-Dec-13 13:58:36

Meerka Thanks for translation! Welsh isn't so admirable - I spent six years of my childhood here.
wavesandsmilesbaby is fine - is so cute - and perfectly behaved! She had a dreadful time with marital problems too. Here' a link for some lovely photos to encourage people, I'm sure she won't mind.

Meerka Netherlands Tue 17-Dec-13 15:09:02

ok what utterly lovely pics ... and the cast is a just lovely idea! smile The combination of such sickness and home problems is beyond imagining. Glad that all came well for her.

glad to hear you're a little better, sickandspan Yeup, only people who really understand are the ones who've been through it :/

PunkStar Tue 17-Dec-13 16:10:49

Boooo, really sorry to hear some folk struggling...

That's terrible to have a virus on top of HG, not on at all. Hope you're managing some fluids.

Hope hosp appointment okay and BP good with no protein in the urine!

Waves and Smiles
Hello...Lovely pics, what a cutie. You survived HG, you can do anything!!!!

Did you get offered any form of screening? It so varies doesn't it, my friend in the States had something called a free cell test which actually looks at fetal chromosomes, she could even find out the sex...at eight weeks. A few places do it in UK but will cost a lot! (I didn't understand the Dutch either, wish I could )

Any relief from SPD or news about antenatal classes?

I think I have improved a little the past two days, no vomiting, stable on 25 pred, but does anyone else just feel lousy even when not vomiting. Just exhaustion, nausea, still major food aversions and frickin' terrible reflux symptoms despite ranitidine twice a day. Steroids do rot your stomach a bit though :-(

Got my combined test result 1 in 50 000. So pleased as have jumped into a more risky age group! Apparently result had been sat at home for past week with a tax rebate! OH hadn't though either were worthy news.Sheesh....

Hoping for respite for you all fellow HGs xx

ChaffinchOfDoom Tue 17-Dec-13 16:26:19

bad HG day today, very nauseous this morning, had to fight it. 1st day off for ages, not having the work adrenaline to focus on means Im more aware of my stomach. Foul mouth taste too.
have drunk a whole bottle tonic water over last 2 days. Imagining in my mind it had gin mixed in...heavenly smile

LucindaE Tue 17-Dec-13 16:57:30

SicknSpanThanks for sympathy - at least I only suffered for thirty six hours - compare that to Hyperemesis, and it's far preferable! Five times is horrible -I hope you are better today - and thanks so much for encouraging post. That must be some willpower of the non puking sort.
Meerka I so agree, and how did WavesandSmiles have the energy to get that cast done?
Punkstar That's wonderful about test results - fancy them waiting so long amongst your other mail!
Livingzuid and Punkstar I had heard some time ago they were investigating none invasive tests, it sounds good. Livingzuid I hope perking up a bit today.
ChaffinchofDoom Sorry about relapse today.
I just remembered eating crumpets when recovering (along with that home made vegetable soup). Does anyone else find them bearable?

Meerka Netherlands Tue 17-Dec-13 18:49:39

punkstar, very good news on the 1:50,000. Yes, I think all of us feel awful even when we're not voimitting, to the point that the sickness is worse than the vomitting :s it absolutely saps you doesnt it.

<chuckles at Chaffinch and imagining gin in the tonic water> think I'll try that too!

punk, i had the CVS test here which seems to have had a few flaws. I'm afraid the result was a serious uterine infection which had an 80% chance of ending in disaster. I was going into septic miscarriage. Nasty week. Little Lucky and I have been extremely fortunate. As you can imagine, I'm very strongly in favour of the blood test being allowed here. Although at last I can think about it without crying now!

Totesamazeballs Tue 17-Dec-13 19:20:15

Hi all!

Just checking in. I hope today has been a bit better, particularly for Living.

I have just put DS to bed and am going to collapse on the sofa after tidying up. Got. To make so many dishes this week but keep feeling too tired. First task is mince pies.

PunkStar Tue 17-Dec-13 19:29:50

Flipping heck Meerka, that sounds horrendous :-(
Sometimes it's just one crap thing on top of another! So pleased you were treated successfully despite those odds. Lucky is a very apt name. I can understand your enthusiasm for a blood test.

I'm relieved that my symptoms follow suit, I feel terrible (although I am certainly not in the depths of the hellish first trimester) and certainly not functioning like a well person (sigh) The nausea is relentless isn't it?
But I somehow feel better knowing that I'm normal for a HG gal.

I cannot wait for the days of G&T/cider/fizzy wine. Gah, bah bloody humbug

Ooo yes Lucinda I find joy in crumpets too and can manage certain types of homemade soup. My dad has frozen a batch for me ( he's just gone to Australia for five weeks so I'm camping out at his house alone/part time Little Boy. OH visits at weekends. Still can't stand my own house, but I'm sure it's to do with a very strong association of being so ill there, twice)

Hoping those having bad days have better ones tomorrow.

Meerka Netherlands Tue 17-Dec-13 19:33:29

thanks Punk. I'm 44 and not in particularly good health + prone to HG so if things do go wrong, well, we won't be trying again. So yes, it was Last Chance Salloon. lucinda actually was very kind and touched me to the point of tears in pms, so I'm a Mother Hen fan =)

Does sound like you're at the more severe end of the scale punk but with luck you'll follow the normal pattern and improve.

feekerry Tue 17-Dec-13 19:36:09

hello ladies!!!
just checking in to see how we all are???!
sally can't be long at all now can it??? champagne, totes and Jen all okay too??
7 weeks to go for me. how is everyone else feeling?
i am so ready to have this baby. every night i think i am going into labour- unlikely i know but my body keeps playing tricks.
back on the ondansatron again as sickness returned last week. pretty much the same as my first pg. shit really.
lucinda hope you are well and clucking away!! xxx

PunkStar Tue 17-Dec-13 19:36:11

I'm impressed! I've just put Little Boy to bed and I've gone straight to bed. Tidying is not going to happen here, place is getting a bit dump like though.
I just find respite in a dark room, I sometimes manage some puzzles on the Nintendo DS but that's about as energetic as it gets. Pure sloth.

PunkStar Tue 17-Dec-13 19:48:24

Double pleased it's worked out! Sounds like you are pretty tough to have fought off the infection AND be surviving HG on top of health problems. Fingers crossed for smooth sailing from here on....
I shouldn't complain, I've just got to face the HG. It's very mentally challenging though isn't it?

Hehe I think we all love Motherhen :-)

Meerka Netherlands Tue 17-Dec-13 20:49:48

Hello fee smile nice to hear you're close, even if the last 7 weeks feel like a mountain! Hope the sickness lessens, and that the baby cooperates!

ChaffinchOfDoom Tue 17-Dec-13 21:16:55

oh cack doughnut heartburn </3 heartbroken no more :-(

Sally8655 Tue 17-Dec-13 21:54:38

Evening all

Not too much change from the other day so I'm back on Thursday and Friday.

Feeling rather stressed so that won't be helping matters. House is now full of boxes and clutter :-( I hate it. No cooker from tomorrow until the 28th so stuffed if I fancy anything that needs cooked.

Fee I've got 4 weeks till I'm induced. But like you feel like its imminent. In so much pain all the time now from SPD, baby movements and sharp twinges. Most food feels like its lodged in my throat as there is nowhere for it to go now I'm so huge. Sleep is non existent and belly feels like its going to drop off.

Just want this next month over already!

jenpatnim Tue 17-Dec-13 23:12:21

Hey all, just a quick update. Nausea and pain still going strong, still feeling pretty miserable. Plus the kids in work today were mental.... ugh.

I got booked in for antenatal classes starting in Jan and they were supposed to offer them to me at 20wk scan.

Picked up MATB1 form today from GP and organised to get whooping cough vaccination while I am there for my antenatal appt on Monday.

So I have achieved a lot but just feel very run down. Also not eating or drinking quite enough - but enough to keep the ketones at bay.

Sally8655 Tue 17-Dec-13 23:38:20

Jen pleased you got sorted. Think it's disgusting how we have had to book things for ourselves though. Each time I've asked something, I've had replies like "oh you've left that a bit late" it infuriates me. Shouldn't they be keeping us straight as we are first time pregnancies!
Think I'm prepared as much as possible now, though no thanks to midwife.
Hope you get some relief from the nausea soon xx

LucindaE Wed 18-Dec-13 10:33:05

Thanks so much for lovely words Meerka and Punkstar. It is a pleasure to cheer on all you brave women.
Punkstar It does sound as if you have it badly and you shouldn't fret about cleaning, just try and survive from day to day until you can celebrate with some wine. Well, one glass, as you don't want a drunk baby! I am glad soup and crumpets are acceptable. It's good your father thought to freeze some for you.
MeerkaForty four isn't old! I bet you look lovely and young. In the days before birth control, women having babies in their late forties was much more common,though I suppose a lot used 'coitus interruptus'. I agree with others, you must be in good condition to have surmounted that dreadful infection.
Sally No cooker? That's all you need. No microwave, either? And all the pains and SPD and lingering Hyperemesis...This has been a real endurance test, you've been really brave. When it's all over you may well wonder how you ever got through it. Hugs.
Feekerry Lovely to hear from you. So nice o f you to ocme on and ecourage others, too. You are nearly there, and you must be so relieved to be getting to the end.
Totes All the preparations are exhausting enough without being convalenscent from this horror and having to do festive foods etc.
Jen You poor thing! This has been an endurance test for you, too.
I so agree with you and Sally that somebody else should do the admin for these arrangements, or at least, there should be a sheet with boxes to tick and dates or something...
SliceofLimeHowly ButterflySicknSapn How are things?
Who was the unlucky person who said it had come back for the last month? Really sorry if I overlooked that post.

LucindaE Wed 18-Dec-13 10:43:48

Just read my scrawled notes Chaffinch How long along are you now?
Livingzuid How are things?

ChaffinchOfDoom Wed 18-Dec-13 12:20:56

Hi Lucinda
25 weeks now. nearly half a year of being pg :-/
was sick this morning, there's no rhyme or reason to it, more common on a chilled out day off than a heavy work day. Just had tuna and salad, and lidl's lovely ciabatta rolls for lunch, need to stock up the stomach as got school choir thing this afternoon.
hope your poor head is better, do you take betablockers? or migralieve is good

CrazyThursday Wed 18-Dec-13 16:44:34

Hello all, hope you're ok.

I recovered from my tummy bug, felt better then came down with a stinker of a cold Sunday night. Yesterday was a low point and I missed my work Christmas get-together as couldn't face the commute/turkey with streamy nose and eyes. Not so snotty today thankfully. The plus side is I can't smell too much so I think that's helping with the nausea.

Am 9 weeks today and saw midwife for the first time so it's all becoming a bit more real.

DH is cooking in the evenings (thank god) but I'm really struggling with what I fancy at dinner times. What are you all having?? I feel gross when I don't eat we'll but don't fancy anything much so it's really tricky. Gone right off salad, veg, chicken and most slimy foods. Jacket potatoes go down ok but I'm really so over it come dinner and am conscious that dd and DH need to eat well regardless of me... I've got a pizza for tonight.

Oh I got some ketostick things. Was really worried I was going to be v dehydrated but all seems ok.

Anyway, stay strong ladies. Eyes on the prize and all that jazz.

LucindaE Wed 18-Dec-13 17:09:39

CrazyThursday I was wondering how you were dong - sorry about nasty bugs -that cold seems a lot more than a cold, some people have the sore throat for a month, that can't be a normal cold.A shame you missed the festivity, but it doesn't sound as if you'd have enjoyed it. Potato based things often seem the best for staying down - or unhealthy things, crisps, as I said below, crumpets, washed down with that full sugar coke. Mother hen is glad you've not got high ketones...

livingzuid Netherlands Wed 18-Dec-13 18:20:14

Hi all quick to say am 100% better and apart from real tired leftover am back to pre sickness levels of managing my liquids no problem and eating toast. Sadly the hg side has not gone! Will reply properly later. What a horrible virus.

eggybrokenoff Wed 18-Dec-13 19:05:47

crazy I had the same trouble with dinners and family. quite often I would just sit dinner out - could sometimes manage some for lunch next day. or on good days I could manage oven cook stuff and kids had more chips than normal - oven cook fish, stuff like that.

Iworrymyselftosleep Wed 18-Dec-13 19:09:37

Hello ladies. I'm crashing into your thread all teary and (sorry) heaving. I know I have to admit to HG now, and to ask for some advice.

I'm 6+5. This is my second pg. I had HG with DS (age 3) all the way through the pg and since then, I've had three mc. With the mc I was slightly sick with each one, but this time, I'm vomiting like I did with DS and I'm trying to see that as a good sign.

I tick all the boxes. I know you on the excess saliva, the almost being able to control when to vomit (I need to go throw up my toast fairly soon but it can wait til I've finished typing). I physically shudder and recoil involuntarily when I smell something, see food, someone mentions food out loud. I am very hungry - my tummy rumbles so loudly, DS laughs but I either can't face eating anything (I end up in tears) or I do and then I'll bring it all back up again sooner or later. I'm on the heavier side and it weighed myself for ages but I probably should as I know this must be having an effect. I'm acidy and am being tortured by heartburn. Gaviscon obviously makes me puke. I have ranitidine but I have heartburn more... The dry retching wakes DP every morning...

I've tried very hard not to take any medicines for HG. There's no medals I know but there's a minor birth defect that runs in my family and I'm just uncomfortable taking them blush. Saying that, I did try them with DS - Cyclizine didn't help and I didn't get better with prochlorperizine either. This time, I popped to the doctors earlier this week to ask for a ketone check as I was so thirsty and unable to keep fluids down and she said there were ketones but not too bad and handed over prochlorperizine to me on the spot.

I obviously have to go back and have a proper chat with the gp and this is where I hoped you wise and unfortunately experienced ladies could advise me. Carrying on like I did with DS isn't much of an option - I sat on the sofa zombie died all day and sipping water with tears running down my face. I'm also tired, hungry, thirsty and very weepy so need to know what I want as much as possible before I go in cos she doesn't listen to me and I come out so angry I could burst. So. Do you think I could ask for ketosticks to be prescribed, and then a medicine to take if I become moderately ketonic? Would that work?

Lastly, I'm meant to be cooking Christmas dinner for mil next week grin. Any ideas for excuses? I would explain properly but in the past, she told me that I shouldn't say I'm pg before twelve weeks - that turned into my first mc...

Meerka Netherlands Wed 18-Dec-13 19:10:46

For those moments when you really can't take any more and you wanna scream, but that would set off more retching. Just to vicariously be really bad tempered:


Iworrymyselftosleep Wed 18-Dec-13 19:12:22

*zombie died = zombiefied

Although I did feel like a dead zombie grin

Meerka Netherlands Wed 18-Dec-13 19:16:03

Oh gosh, iworry, sorry I had not seen your post.

So sorry it's so bad. It sounds like the emotional side is nearly as bad as the physical and we all understand that really well :s

We're here whenever you want to talk, moan or plain cry.

Doctors not listening is the absolute pits, it makes you so much lonelier and unhelped :/ How about writing down what you need to say beforehand? it helps you keep it clear in your head and if worst comes to worst, you can take the paper in with you.

Iworrymyselftosleep Wed 18-Dec-13 19:23:42

Meerka how bloody obvious and how daft am I not to think of writing it down! I knew someone would have a sensible idea! Thank you.

<now a little teary at being so silly as to write down what I want for mumsnetters but not thinking of writing it down for GP - d'oh>

Someone up thread did say that this is all mentally exhausting as well as physically exhausting as its so unrelenting and that comment rang so true that I phoned my mum up to read it to her. Add in huge anxiety after three miscarriages in a row, and I'm wishing I could just take a leave of absence from myself until next summer. DP is supportive but he's resigned. He has been ambivalent at best about ttc after the mc stress and how sick I was with DS. He keeps saying "I knew it would be like this" confused

CrazyThursday Wed 18-Dec-13 19:38:55

Thanks lucinda.

iworry you sound like you're really up against it, I do hope your next trip to the docs is more successful and you get some useful support. I don't know what the deal is with these DHs who just don't get it, it's annoying that its something they'll never directly experience.

We're having my parents and PIL over on Xmas day and I'm really dreading the whole cooking side of it. DH has said he'll do the lion's share but I know the house will stink still. We haven't told them I'm pg yet tho so I'm looking forward to that part at least.

There's 30 of us going for a curry on Saturday night and I m not looking forward to that AT ALL. God help me. Table is booked for 8pm which is about the time I start to get sleepy so have no idea how I'm going to cope with nibbling throughout the evening to stave off the nausea until we go out and then facing a sodding curry buffet whilst pretending to have a drink!

<right barrel of laughs me>

Iworrymyselftosleep Wed 18-Dec-13 19:48:22

crazythursday - I applaud you for even considering going to a curry buffet. I shudder at the thought and have a lot of respect for you attempting it! If you really really don't fancy it can you wiggle out of it or would that cause more problems than it would solve?

ChaffinchOfDoom Wed 18-Dec-13 19:53:18

aaahhhh iworry
take a deep breath and congratulations! bfp how marvellous. I have 2 dc and had 2 mc, sometimes it works, and sadly sometimes it doesn't.. but like you the more I vomited the more positive I felt.

HG knocks you ruddy sideways, there's lots links from Lucinda & Meerka and the gang on the thread, get yourself some ketostix from the chemist then you can check yourself everyday if you want

sip ice cold water, ice cubes, lollies, anything to get a wee bit of moisture inside.

doctors are generally idiotic tits with our condition, so brace yourself and grit teeth. writing down your full symptoms helps, work your way through the drugs they prescribe - there aren't any links to any birth defects as far as Ive read

ChaffinchOfDoom Wed 18-Dec-13 19:55:50

crazythurs may be bestto stick to a plate of chips! or naan bread, mmmmmmmmmm... and reice'd be nice but NOT reheated buffet rice, avoid at all costs, must be fresh cooked

CrazyThursday Wed 18-Dec-13 19:59:50

iworry it's funny how the most simple every day tasks become huge hurdles isn't it?? Well actually it's not funny at all come to think of it. I have though of blowing the meal out but I've been really flakey with a few things recently and just think I'd be seen as really lame. I think I'll be able to carry off the no drinking thing as there will be so many people I hope it'll be too hectic to notice, plus I'm going to use the "I've had a cold/bug in the last week so am obv run down" excuse if any wiseguys pipe up.


Iworrymyselftosleep Wed 18-Dec-13 20:08:49

chaffinch idiotic tits grin just about sums it up. I had an early scan this week, referred by the miscarriage consultant, and the midwife was so understanding that I cried - she offered to arrange another scan for next Friday just to keep an eye on things (foetal pole was measuring small) - but I didn't have to ask shock and she was nice about it. Surely the long term c

Iworrymyselftosleep Wed 18-Dec-13 20:10:36

Ahem. Surely the long term consequences of kindness far outweigh the need to tell us to buck up?

ChaffinchOfDoom Wed 18-Dec-13 20:18:00

yep crazy you can't drink if you're on antibiotics, for example...and then you'd feel pretty pants and tired...

yet remember the inverse rule of parties
the more you anticipate, the crapper it will be
the more you dread the better it will be

you'll probably have a ball grin

lucky you with early scans, iworry I had one with ds but this time when I got admitted in wk 9 and asked if I could have an early scan due to HG & mC history a snotty MW said 'we only give scans to those in pain or bleeding. that is not you. there is no need''

PunkStar Wed 18-Dec-13 22:23:03

Welcome and sorry you need to be here.
I really feel your pain. I could have screamed after my first telephone consult with the GP this time. Well, I sobbed more accurately....

The list is a good idea, no one except someone who has been through HG or closely witnessed it has a beeping clue.
I tried cyclizine, stemetil and metoclopramide before stepping up to ondansetron, the first three did nothing but I know some people do get relief with them.
If you have anyone that can go to the appointment with you as your advocate, that is another option. It's hard to stand up for yourself when you feel so rotten.

I would get as much help with childcare as possible, I have a one year old and I can last two hours with him before I just need to curl up.... Don't expect too much of yourself. I did last time and I made my own life hell. Rest as much as you can. Give people info from Pregnancy Sickness Support so they can understand what HG is. If anyone tells you to eat ginger or crackers they need re-educating!

I've had a shitty day.....
Barely able to enter the kitchen, smells, horrid stuff in the fridge. Repeated vomiting, The Little Boy frightened by said vom fest and screamed place down. Had to cuddle him, vomit repeatedly and deal with piercing scream in ear.
Brother collected TLB for the day. Slept pretty much most of the afternoon which was sweet respite.
OH off next week, this will be amazing, will no longer be alone in the pit. He has OCD tendencies so anything offensive in kitchen will be removed and wiped several hundred times with a special cloth.

Bah, humbug....I have managed some on line purchases this week so at least there are presents. But we are banning in laws from coming now. MIL is a feeder and food hoarder. I've thrown mouldy oranges out before to have her pull them out of the bin. Can't cope with the food, people or conversation. Will be the three of us. I think I could eat a Yorkshire pudding and a roast tattie.
Impressed with anyone who can cook and plan for Christmas....

Rant over. Tomorrow will be better. Has to be.... Looking after TLB all day.

Iworrymyselftosleep Thu 19-Dec-13 07:50:59

Good luck today punkstar - it certainly is exhausting with a wee

Iworrymyselftosleep Thu 19-Dec-13 08:01:04

Gah. Phone. Premature posting again...

It certainly is exhausting with a wee one to watch - my DS has been occupied with the iPad far too much but when you don't want to move even your head, it does work (lazy mum confession there blush )

I'm sure these threads have had more than their fair share of ginger rage - if one more person suggests it....

I'm so thirsty. What I wouldn't give to have a nice long hot / cold / anything drink and to enjoy it. sips of
Mineral water as tap water is undrinkable - and I can even taste differences between the brands of mineral water which means that I'm stuck with six bottles of posh yet revolting Evian when I really want the pound land cheap stuff as it tastes nicer..

And I'm fixating on dinner with mil on Boxing Day as I'm meant to be cooking. DP won't take DS and leave me alone for the day as it means he'll be trying to look after an over excited boy while trying to cook for six with a hurt arm, I don't want him to leave me with DS on my own, and I don't want to go. DP has started rumours of me being randomly unwell so we may just back out totally...

ChaffinchOfDoom Thu 19-Dec-13 10:48:08

gah the extra pressures of Christmas! thank god Im not cooking/hosting anyone this year

LucindaE Thu 19-Dec-13 14:16:39

Just dashing on to welcome IWorry. I am outraged that as this is your SECOND bout of Hyperemesis, they GP's aren't taking it more seriously - and prescribing stronger drugs, giving you kesostix, etc. I can only echo the advcice of others. There's a wonderful helpline on 024 7638 2020 where they will help you get meds, too, and so agree, to get kesostix from a chemists. It can take as little as twelve hours to get seriously dehydrated, as you know from before. Don't blame yourself, your weight, for this condition - lots of people who are underweight get it and have no weight to lose.
I so feel for Everyone with this during this season - parties, festive food,and Punkstar That sounds like a truly nightmare day, poor you, hugs. It must be awful when the poor LO gets distraught, but he won't be permanently traumatised, I promise.
Back soon.

PunkStar Thu 19-Dec-13 15:24:11

Checked out the preggo rage thread. AMAZING.
It's good to know there are other haters too.
Why did no one ever tell me that it is so (insert many swear words here) shit?
It's like some big conspiracy.
A couple of friends came out of the woodwork AFTER I was pregnant. Fair play one of them had pre-eclampsia and had to stay in hospital for a month. She refused to see anyone in the latter stages. She also made her husband get a vasectomy one month postnatal.
Everyone else seems normal and happy and goes on flaming holiday! Can you imagine? The airport, sitting on a plane? Gah, I can't even go in the flipping kitchen without an incident.
Surviving with TLB....OH will be here in approx three hours to bring some supplies and relieve me of duty.

Meerka Netherlands Thu 19-Dec-13 15:31:51

iworry, what lucinda says, that number is absolutely great. You have to leave a message and they will get back to you, but the elderly, experienced doctor there is just amazing.

punkstar hehe some of those women are a bit intimidating :D Hope you're suriving today ok.

PunkStar Thu 19-Dec-13 15:39:42

I would so be sacking off Boxing Day.
I don't think OH has informed the in-laws yet about our cancellation of Christmas visit but I don't think he can cope with them either (which makes me feel better)
His parents are quite opinionated and believe everything The Daily Fail tells them.

DirtyThree Thu 19-Dec-13 20:00:55

Argh. The taaaaaaaaste. So gross. Go away.

Went to bed for 3 hours today was supposed to be working, thank god it's getting quiet for Christmas and only got up when a courier was at the door - one of our suppliers couriered some charbonnel & walker truffles and a space nk candle to me all the way from London Town coz I missed out on the get-together on Tuesday!! Glad I can still face chocolate wink...

Had a kids party tos afternoon and definitely find that getting out and being busy helps take my mind off feeling so naff bit boy do I feel it afterwards! I'm pooped which is ridiculous given my late morning nap. Day off work tomorrow with my 2yo - excited about hanging out with her but already feeling guilty about being Lame Mummy Who Sits On The Sofa A Lot...

Happy Thursdays to you all anyways....

Iworrymyselftosleep Thu 19-Dec-13 20:07:03

Hello! I've had a very up/down day. Thank you all for thinking of me - I'm suddenly feeling very down and in scared I've made the wrong decision for my family. I'm next to useless with DS, DP is helpful but keeps telling me how he knew it would be this bad and I'm having a bit of a wobble. On the plus side, although I've thrown up ,, I've not had so mch dry heaving and I'm feeling slightly less nauseous (which makes me worry its all gone wrong - I literally cannot win inside my head right now)

Now, I did see a GP - not my normal

ChaffinchOfDoom Thu 19-Dec-13 20:13:38

25weeks is def a peaking HG week again for me... is there loadsa hormonal stuff going on? anyone else having a crappy week 25?

rubbish taste in mouth; weird starving feeling but meh don't fancy eating anything
plus the beginnings of heartburn gah.

Iworrymyselftosleep Thu 19-Dec-13 20:15:30

Sorry - I'm always doing that - its cos I'm on my phone <grumpy emoticon>

Saw a different GP who was beyond bored with the whole thing - but who did prescribe ketostix and ondasetron (sp?) for those special days when you're really on the grip. I wish I had gone in showing the signs of a new plague or something cos me n my pukiness was way boring. As this bloke missed DPs broken shoulder a we weeks ago, I'm not too fussed...

licinda and meerka I shall call the number tomorrow. Thank you. punkstar I think mil has had her turkey tbh. I find even moving around much makes me feel sick - opening some boxes nearly had me heaving earlier when sat completely still, I was just about ok...

Has anyone found that things improve much? I'm 7weeks tomorrow and as far as I can tell, weeks 8-12 look to get pretty miserable...

Iworrymyselftosleep Thu 19-Dec-13 20:19:23

chaffinch I am already having horrible heartburn - I remember it dominated the last half of my first pregnancy. After, I was told that I had damaged the spincter muscle at the top of the stomach permenantly. I remember carrying huge bottles of gaviscon around with me - I had two a week and ranitidine twice a day.

I hope it's just a phase and you feel better soon flowers

PunkStar Thu 19-Dec-13 20:51:27

Well OH has cleared fridge out for me... No wonder I was delirious every time I opened the fridge door.
MIL had hidden away a spicy, garlic German sausage, a container full of now week old meatballs and a container full of roast pheasant! I'm a bloody vegetarian! It stank, I've been living off bread all week as couldn't face the fridge trauma.

Agggh, that's not fair. You've put the HG graft in, respite is due, just hate the unpredictability. You think you're improving and then bam there's a German sausage hiding in the fridge.
I have to have a mega controlled environment, any deviation is not good.

Bored GP but they precribed ondansetron, that is success!
Hope it helps. First trimester is just pants...the whole thing is. I just can't wait for June which feels a lifetime away....

Meerka Netherlands Thu 19-Dec-13 21:16:51

Doomfinch talk about worst timing .. what a week for the hormones to get bad. I hope they settle very soon! Have you got a (relatively) easy christmas?

Iworry yes movement can def make it worse. Even talking triggered it for me at the worst, could only get a few words out or nothing at all. I think metoclopramide helps with that.

Punk im sorry but that was funny .... Yeaup, HG is really good at throwing garlic sausages at you

SliceOfLime Thu 19-Dec-13 22:07:20

Hello all, punkstar what an awful day with your little boy. It's so difficult with another little one to look after. iworry I also have had 2 MCs before so on top of the sickness am so worried that it will all be ok. Hope you manage to get more support from your gp. I'm 7 weeks, feel constantly nauseous, retching a lot. If this pregnancy doesn't work out I just don't think I could do it again. I have to make myself not think about that because it makes me sad. Off to bed now but thinking of you all! And thanks as ever to Lucinda for keeping us going...

Iworrymyselftosleep Fri 20-Dec-13 11:42:10

sliceoflime I'm 7 weeks today. I've been saying that if this doesn't work out, I won't be able to do it again. I feel like its all in my head and yet I was throwing up last night, during the night and this morning with the nausea being worse than the retching - there's this voice saying "it's not that bad, everyone has it" and while I know everyone doesn't have it like this it gets me down. A friend was saying "oh I had that, I had to keep leaving the office to be sick" and there's the difference - I can barely move without retching. I could no more get dressed and work than I could backflip a marathon right now. Why do people feel the need to downplay your experiences?

But. As I'm feeling so bad - I've taken ondansetron... Just waiting for it to work. I do feel less sick but weirdly disjointed which wouldn't be unpleasant if I weren't looking after DS! Still whatever gets me through cbeebies eh?

eggybrokenoff Fri 20-Dec-13 14:23:18

what on earth possessed me to see if cold takeaway pizza might be a tolerable food? it isn't in case anyone was wondering.

PunkStar Fri 20-Dec-13 15:19:36

The sausage smell still lingers!!! Aggghhh I still can't go in the fridge.

They are definitely not coming for Christmas, no doubt they'd bring one of those bird in a bird in a bird things smeared with three different types of garlic sauce. Don't think OH has told them yet though.....

Aww, have been there too, feeling like everyone else manages but I can't...but what you have is not like everyone else at all. You have a horrible, debilitating and rare complication of pregnancy. The fact you can't function normally is part of HG. You gotta go with it, if something makes you feel worse, don't do it. I'm nearly 16 weeks and I've had a good day if I get in the bath and empty the dishwasher so don't be hard on yourself .
I really hope the ondansetron helps....(beware of the constipation!!!)

Are you on any medication?
Are they going to let you have an early scan?

Really sorry to hear about both your MCs....it's understandable to feel worried about it. Have everything crossed for you both that it will work out this time. Not fair on top of having to contend with HG each time ��

PunkStar Fri 20-Dec-13 15:20:34

That was supposed to be a sad face not pointless double squares.

Iworrymyselftosleep Fri 20-Dec-13 17:11:54

Constipation? ? Heck. Im not missing out in that direction already sad

Eggy the number of times Ive tried something and then after gone "why???!" I hope youre feeling better now.

LucindaE Fri 20-Dec-13 19:00:49

I Worry I am so glad bored GP prescribed those. People don't understand, it's like the difference between a headache and a migraine.
Of course, there is a grey area where normal MS turns into this nightmare.
Don't worry about your decision - nobody has ever come back on to say 'it isn't worth it...'. But surviving is so tough, ignore that inner voice that says those daft things, wherever it comes from. That heartburn is terrible, I so know what you mean about bottles of Gaviscon...
Punkstar Lol about 'Daily Fail' and about OH not daring to tell them yet. Gross about bird in a bird and fridge.
Eggy Oh no, cooked cheese is horrible on the way back up. I hope you feel better.
Chaffinch Poor you, as others say, what a time to feel a lot worse.
It's too bad still to be suffering at 25 weeks.
SliceofLime and IWorry Hugs about miscarriages, one is upsetting enough. Tallyra on here had three before this preg. It's very hard to keep saying to yourself that the chances are all in your favour.
Meerka Hugs. Your advice is always to good, I meant to say.
Hope Everyone is coping. Apologies to Anyone rudely overlooked.

SliceOfLime Sat 21-Dec-13 08:27:41

Oh no eggy pizza is not good - it was ok for me last week, but this week when offered a slice I heaved... The list of food I can eat gets ever shorter...

punk - garlic sausage?!?!? Nooooooo! I can't open the fridge without holding my breath as it is, I can't imagine... Bleurgh. Hope your dh breaks the news about Xmas to your inlaws soon. I had hg over Christmas last time too, why didn't I time this better?! Such a rubbish time to be so sick.

iworry I am just taking it one day at a time at the moment. If this pregnancy goes well and I am lucky enough to have a healthy baby at the end, I will be so happy, and I must just NOT THINK about the alternatives for now.

I haven't had an early scan, I had an MC after a good scan at 8 weeks before, so am just going to wait til 12 weeks. Can't handle the extra gaff of going to hospital, waiting around etc when in this state. I'm not on any meds either, up to know I've done reasonably well at keeping something down every day so am just thinking I don't really need them? Unless there is something that takes away the nausea without any other negative side effects?! Got a 1.5 hr train journey with 2yo dd ahead of me today, wish me luck...!

LucindaE Sat 21-Dec-13 08:42:01

SliceofLime It is very brave of you to soldier on without meds, but without wanting to sound like the Voice of Doom, taking pre-emptive meds does apparently stop it getting as bad as it might- something to do with the brain and the habit of vomiting partly - and things can spiral out of control on a bad day, so Mother Hen thinks you should have them to hand at least. It's so tiresome all the travel and waiting for the reassurance of a scan - wasn't offered an early one myself, as I'd only had one MMC but one is so anxious at that first scan after one.

PunkStar Sat 21-Dec-13 09:55:41

•Slice of Lime*
Much luck for train journey....I can manage a car journey with essential oil, sick bags and sparkling water but shudder at the thought of a train journey with the general public, gaaah!

In laws informed, huzzah....excellent will have full control over food and environment.

Brave with no meds, I started the day I found out I was pregnant!!

Before my first scan this time despite being ridiculously unwell I was worried there was no baby and I had phantom HG!!!! See, that is how crazy HG makes us!!!

Am awaiting news from OH to find out if The Little Boy has chicken pox....I had varicella blood test last time which showed previous exposure but will be a bit immunocompromised from the steroids..... OH thinks it's just a viral rash but wasn't certain last night, says he's going to check for any vesicles this morn :-( will double check with obs if a positive to be safe though...

PunkStar Sat 21-Dec-13 10:04:40

OH has reported...NOT chicken pox, huzzah! Couldn't face any faff :-)

SliceOfLime Sat 21-Dec-13 10:48:30

Hurrah for no chicken pox! The very idea of phantom hg made me almost weep... With both my MCs I had no sickness so hanging onto my hg as sign of hope, despite daily misery!

Hmm brave or stupid?! I didn't have meds last time so hadn't really thought about it. Not sure I will have time to see GP before Christmas now, maybe will ring Monday to see. Thank you mother hen for wise words smile

Train journey is to get home, dd and I have been staying at my mum's to be looked after as couldn't cope alone at home and dh is at work 8am-10pm usually. He's on holiday now though so will be lovely to go home and see him. Am dreading train though, got sick bags and stuff at the ready. Hope no one stinky sits near us...!

PunkStar Sat 21-Dec-13 11:35:00

I would take your sickness symptoms as a good sign..,,not that HG women don't miscarry but the fact this feels very different to your last pregnancies is surely a positive?
With regards to medication, I suppose having something in stock doesn't hurt? If things escalate you're prepared!

Ah, parentals are great aren't they? I'm struggling with my dad being in Australia for another three weeks, we have loads of help in place for childcare but it's the small things...like the whole kitchen thing and just living off bread and boiled rice the past week, I've overdone them now and I'm running out of safe foods....not being able to face going to the supermarket for supplies...

OH is coming today, he's off until next Friday :-) so I'll have company and someone to help eliminate these smells. I swear I don't even know what they are, each room has it's own distinct smell, is a form of torture.

Eeek good luck for train, at least it's for an exciting reason which will make it a whole lot easier :-)

Meerka Netherlands Sat 21-Dec-13 12:38:51

good morning everyone smile

jenpatnim Sat 21-Dec-13 18:47:13

Hey all, I see the suffering continues unabated for all. Remember to listen to mother hen, check those ketones and stay as hydrated as possible.

I am now officially on maternity leave! Well, 2 weeks holiday, then mat leave starts 6th January. And how did I spend my first day of freedom? At the rowing club with my mother, dishing out bacon sandwiches and hot drinks to people. It was manic, I was on my feet most of the day from 9 to 3, and now I am exhausted and very sore. The pelvic pain is still going strong and I feel so rubbish and heavy, and often nauseated, despite one ondansetron a day. Oh and the constipation is still ongoing. YAY.

Plus I am ridiculously emotional and want to cry ALL THE TIME. I can't tell whether it is hormones or being off the antidepressants, but right now I would love to go back up to my full dosage that I remember fondly. Currently I am on nothing. It is really hard.

So there ends your report from 32 weeks. I have the doctor on Monday and my next hospital checkup on 6th Jan..... so hopefully the doc can get me some physio or something for the pain.

Iworrymyselftosleep Sat 21-Dec-13 18:52:34

Hello just wondering if anyone has any experiences of ondansetron to share? I took one tablet yesterday morning and it seemed to work really well - I felt the effects for about 18hrs (I was able to use only 1 pillow last night to go to sleep instead of sitting upright against 3 so I'm not sick)! I did throw up this morning but all in all the nausea / smell averaion / dry retching is less today - and I'm not sure whether the ondansetron has disrupted the HG a bit, or whether my symptoms are dying down and things had gone wrong...

Just wondered if anyone had any experiences? Don't worry if you didn't find any disruption to the vomiting and nausea from ondasetron, just tell me what you experienced - I just dont have anyone else to ask...

Meerka Netherlands Sat 21-Dec-13 19:13:51

oh heavens jen, from the frying pan into the fire? I do hope you can rest tomorrow and feel better!

Iworry my experience with ondansetron was that it was good, but certainly not for 18 hours, more like 8. maybe less, or maybe the hormones were just swinging down (had rotten evenigns so i took it when things became unbearable about 17:00, then by 05:00 usually felt a lot better anyway .. for a short time)

The hormones do go up and down from day to day anyway and you may begin to improve from week 12 .. though you might very well have to wait some weeks longer ... and I cant remember how far along you are? So it's kind of hard to tell.

sorry, not much use =)

Iworrymyselftosleep Sat 21-Dec-13 19:22:51

Thanks meerka - I'm only 7 weeks sad

Meerka Netherlands Sat 21-Dec-13 19:24:27

hm, oh dear.

Others have used it for much longer than me, they probalby have much more experience than me

jenpatnim Sat 21-Dec-13 20:01:36

Iworry, I have been on ondansetron since I was 8 weeks.

They have kept me going really well. I have been able to mostly have a normal life, eat and work etc. Every time I stopped taking them to see how the symptoms were, the nausea and vomiting came straight back. They do cause horrible constipation, at one point I had not gone for 14 days and I needed lactulose from the doctor to get things going again.

I did at my worst look to each time a tablet was due, and when I had taken it pray I would not vomit for at least an hour so that I wouldn't have to take another one. Throwing up outside the chemist because they had none in stock was another low point.... but from week 14 on I was much better (with the meds).

Good luck.....

livingzuid Netherlands Sun 22-Dec-13 07:44:06

Hi everyone, how are people faring in the run up to Xmas?

I have been so busy but finally things are calming down. I have finished work and am looking forward to being gloriously unemployed and not having to get out of bed for the remainder of the pregnancy smile and even better, made it all the way from the Netherlands to my folks in the Westcountry without mishap.

Still have terrible nausea, although it seems to confine itself to late afternoon and evening now. We were stuck on the ferry on Friday evening in very choppy seas and I felt quite surprisingly fine given my poor DH and many around us were not faring so well. I drove all day yesterday as I was really nauseous in the car on the way to the ferry and that really helped to have something to focus on. But by the time we got here I had to lie down and then the soup which my mum had made me filled with nutritious bits I had to ignore and eat white bread grin

It's SO NICE to be home. Not just with my parents but just here in England. I get so homesick. Right now with the pregnancy it is just wonderful for everything to feel so familiar and to understand what people are saying to me.

I say this cautiously at 16+1 but I think it is better. It depends on what I eat (white bread and Nutella is still my saviour much to my mum's horror) but if I am careful I am much more capable then I was before, and if I don't overdo it. Sleep is amazing as a restorative. I might even have a mince pie for breakfast - first of the year! Going to stay on the sickness tablets a little longer just to be sure and enjoy Christmas but when we get home I might try not taking them and seeing how I get on.

chaffinch I've got bad acid after I eat too. I am enjoying whole milk now and a warm glass helps before bed.

jen you must be so relieved to finally be on maternity leave! Are you in less pain now? I am so emotional as well. I just sat there at the ferry terminal and blubbed for no reason whatsoever about how I was overemotional. DH was trying not to laugh at me whilst giving me a hug. Literally ANYTHING is setting me off.

LucindaE Sun 22-Dec-13 11:15:34

SliceofLime Oh no, TWO Christmases with Hyperemesis? But this pregnancy must have happened very soon after the last - or have I muddled things up? I wish I knew which of the old team you were/are.
PunkStar Rice? You brave thing - I found it dreadful on the way up again - not the taste, but the substance, but it's wonderful if it suits you as it's so bland. I'm so glad no chicken pox.
Jen Congratulations on maternity leave, but you do too much for other people and should not be on your feet serving bacon sandwiches. It's great Ondansetron worked so well for you after a time - presumably not through those early hospital admissions, poor you - and grin about listening to mother hen.
Livingzuid It's great you are feeling so much better - a plane journey, without any puking is wonderful, with that feeling in the ears (I remember flying back from a holiday in Tunisia where I'd conceived (OH took me on holiday to get over an mc) and thinking, 'I don't feel good'.). I thought the training was connected with some new job but I think have mixed things up, typical.
Iworry Fridges smell rather unpleasant at the best of times. Have you invested in those jelly suppository things to help with bowels (she asks bossily).
Hope everyone is surviving the Christmas rush and mania about food...
Apologies to anyone rudely overlooked.

eggybrokenoff Sun 22-Dec-13 11:54:14

re ondansetron it has been my saviour. With my first pg I never had meda that worked and I was so so ill all through. 2nd pg was given ondansetron by hospital at about 7 weeks. was miraculous - I could eat, drink, work, be mum. had to stay on them the whole pg. This time started taking it very early as soon as symptoms started and I have started to feel better - symptoms fading and down to one tablet a day. I have been so worried abput lack of symptoms!

LucindaE Sun 22-Dec-13 12:01:09

EggyYou are a true veteran - how do you have the courage to go for it twice after that first nightmare experience? So glad things are improving!

eggybrokenoff Sun 22-Dec-13 12:34:21

sheer stupidity I think!

SliceOfLime Sun 22-Dec-13 13:07:13

Glad you are happy to be home living , great that the journey went so well. Hope your mum has stocked up on nutella...

We survived train journey pretty well but struggling at home, house is in a bit of a mess from builders and I am having to do a lot more. Dd is very clingy. Plan was to have Xmas day at home but now wondering if I can convince dh we should head back to my parents, hmmm.

Lucinda I still can't remember which my old name was! I've changed it a few times though I am very fickle grin and no it wasn't lat Christmas - dd is nearly 2.5 so it was 3 years ago I was pg. Almost exactly the same timing too, due date is 4 days after dd birthday!

jenpatnim Sun 22-Dec-13 13:22:32

Living, it is a relief to be off, definitely. I went to bed at 9.30 last night and stayed there until 12.30 this afternoon - apart from 3 trips to the loo. But I needed the rest.

From here on in the plan is to take it easy and let OH help me as much as possible. I am going down to my mum's this afternoon where I will be fed, pampered and run a nice warm bath. All good things. I'm still in a fair wee bit of pain, but there isn't much I can do until I see the doc on Monday.

I was thinking of you guys last night ... this is a bit of a non-sequiteur but relates to the whole constipation issue. I discovered when I had that bad cold that if, while sitting on the loo and having everything quite relaxed, blowing your nose can stimulate bowel movement in a way that feels much gentler than pushing. Just wanted to share that tip....

SliceOfLime Sun 22-Dec-13 14:31:10

Love the tip Jen - maybe that will work when in labour too, might help with the pushing! grin

chocolocodowninacapulco Sun 22-Dec-13 18:21:41

Hello ladies,

Really hope you don't mind me butting in, but I'm after a bit of advice and trying to work out whether I just have 'normal' pregnancy sickness or not. I'm 5+4 today and found out I was pg 2 weeks ago and initially was feeling nauseous but was able to eat proper meals, albeit with some aversions and very specific requirements! I now haven't been able to eat a proper meal since Weds and when I tried on Thurs night was sick twice. Yesterday I managed about 6 crackers, 3 ginger biscuits and a bit of ham and today had a window where I had a small sandwich and have also had some ready brek and stewed apple. The main issue though is finding something I can drink as water is a no no, but flat coke is doable in small doses and my urine has been really concentrated as I can't force myself to drink enough. I feel constantly nauseous and wondering whether I should try to get to the docs tomorrow to see what they say, but would hate to be a fraud when I am not constantly vomming or anything. I know for a fact I won't be able to stomach any Christmas meals and will be able to eat plain snacks only and think it will be a dead giveaway to family too. I also can't hear about food, read about it or see it on tv.

Sorry for long post, any words of wisdom of whether this is just what I should be expecting from being pg(or something more serious)?
Thank you fsmile

eggybrokenoff Sun 22-Dec-13 19:03:54

choco someone more knowledgeable will be along soon but fwiw I dont think there are 'frauds'. sickness is a sliding scale from mild queasineaa to 9 months in hospital in the dark on a drip. calling the line whete ms becomes hg is a bit subjective. for me the difference is to do with keeping hydrated, and living some sort of life. if you cant do those you are ill. dehydration is a big prob so I wouldnt feel bad seeing a doc (though be prepared for them to be useless, do some reading to prep yourself id you can). meanwhile various things that can help are jelly, ice lollies, wet fruit like melon (frozen can stay down better) or icy cold stuff. or actually some women find boiling hot stuff like thin soup stays down better x

ChaffinchOfDoom Sun 22-Dec-13 20:59:07

ketostix chocaloco treat yourself in boots to a tin, and pee on one and check the colour. anything 3+ or higher means an emergency doc apt or early pg unit for rehydration. every drop of liquid you can manage, go for it. and congratulations!!

working full time with much overtime this week. glad it's near xmas, too busy for nausea, only minor hip pain, all going ok <touch wood>

LucindaE Sun 22-Dec-13 21:41:43

Chocoloco Hyperemesis can often start off seeming like a nasty case of MS- then suddenly, esculates, and I think it's very sensible to go to the dr for meds. I so agree with others - do get some kesostix from a chemists. This business with ketones is so complicated but if your urine is concentrated, it could well be your dehydrated already. I'm glad flat coke is bearable. Jelly can be OK, and ice lollies - I liked Lucozade and Ironbru, though some disagree. Oh, and juice of tinned fruit for sure!
Chaffinch Oh dear about having to work so hard. Jen you need to be pampered.
Jen I'm glad you are taking it easy now.
Eggy Not mad - definitely brave!
SliceofLime Would that be that dreadful winter when it was frozen for weeks? I'm glad you aren't suffering two Christmases running.
Hope everyone is managing.

chocolocodowninacapulco Mon 23-Dec-13 05:35:28

Thank you eggy, chaffinch and lucinda - much appreciated. I will phone doctors today ans see if I can get in.

LucindaE Mon 23-Dec-13 08:40:44

Chocoloco What was I thinking of - must be Christmas brain - I meant to recommend the link on the intro,
I hope that'll give you advice with which to arm yourself. It's difficult to fight your corner when sick, do as Mother Hen says not as I did and if necessary, be sick in front of the doctor!
Jen That sounds a great idea for a natural laxative!

chocolocodowninacapulco Mon 23-Dec-13 09:08:09

Thanks Lucinda, I looked at both links when I first read through the thread. Am currently at the mercy of the doctor's receptionists who are not sure if it is in the category for an emergency appointment and will be getting the triage nurse to phone, hmmm...

LucindaE Mon 23-Dec-13 09:18:37

Chocoloco I feel a bit angry that the receptionist should be deciding whether or not it's an emergency - make sure you emphasize you're not able to keep down enough liquids, mother hen says bossily!

Meerka Netherlands Mon 23-Dec-13 09:59:40

hiya choc sorry to see you arent so good. how on earth can the receptionist tell if it's an emergency? :s I do think you need to see a doc if you can't keep liquid down. Food isnt really a problem for some time, but liquid definitely is.

Having a few bad days, back in bed at 17:00 or so :s Had to cancel going to mother in laws for xmas dinner <sigh> I hope husband brings me back some leftovers! Oh well, it's still a million times better than it was. 18 weeks and 1 1/2 days to go. Not that I'm counting off every half day or anything, oh no.

LucindaE Mon 23-Dec-13 10:17:32

Meerka Poor you - hugs. It's too bad to have it recur late on. It's a shame it is bad just now, I hope it isn't too bad for Christmas Day.

PunkStar Mon 23-Dec-13 12:58:46

Hi all

Lost my phone for a couple of days so no internet (was quite nice actually!)

Someone asked about ondansetron experience...(sorry had a lot of thread to read)
For a few days it stopped my vomiting but nothing for nausea and my weight continued to drop despite this. Vomiting returned quite badly while on ondansetron with 30mg steroids..,upped steroids which worked, now don't bother with ondansetron....I thought it was going to be my saviour but steroids have been the only thing that has really touched nausea or vomiting to a manageable level. I don't think my example is very typical though...

Glad you are on mat leave, you deserve it....
I'm hoping to get back to work in the next month or so (trying to stay positive here!) but to make up for lost time will try and work until the day before c section!! Aggghh!!

Sorry for folk having a bad time, I've had a good 24 hours, I left the house and it wasn't for a hospital appointment! Did a bit of housework and looked after little boy while OH had a nap (man 'flu) Go me!!!
Am taking it easy today though because I know how this thing likes to trick us, was reminded when my breakfast came up this morning.

I'm sorry if I've bypassed a few folk's messages, a lot happens on here in two days and my brain didn't compute it all..., big hugs to you all though, everyday passed is a day less....

It's a very frustrating journey.

PunkStar Mon 23-Dec-13 15:49:05

Sorry to hear about cancellation of Christmas plans.
I'm with you though....I couldn't face a trip to someone's house with all the chat and food :-(

See you've been through HG pain at Christmas too! I went through it Christmas 2011....so one year off!! Although my Dad reminded me that it was actually for half of last year that we went through HG, so not much respite. Foolishly thought with pre-emptive meds I would luck out!!

Really sorry there are a few having a low time of it too :-(
Sometimes Christmas doesn't help either...my job to tidy my Mam's grave tomorrow, have bought some lovely Christmas roses...just resting today to prepare :-(

Sally8655 Mon 23-Dec-13 19:42:43

Evening all

Been a rough couple of days for me so have not been able to see how everybody is doing. Will have a catch up tonight.

In so much pain and really uncomfortable all the time now. Sickness has returned and foul taste is constant. Had a growth scan last week and all was fine. Baby was a little underweight @5lb. His legs however were so long they were off the scale. That explains the agony when he moves.

Not able to eat much. Made worse by the fact that we don't have a cooker till Saturday and everything in the kitchen is sandwich food. We couldn't have moved house at a worse time. Get our keys tomorrow morning and then the decorating starts. I'm so fed up of it all. I hope all this doesn't send me into labour as I really need babs to stay in there till I'm moved and sorted!

Meerka Netherlands Mon 23-Dec-13 19:51:33

been wondering how you were sally, sorry to hear it's so damn difficult. (and much fellow feeling on the foul taste front).

I really hope the house doesnt need much work

I gather hugs are un - mumsnetty but .... <virtual hugs>

LucindaE Mon 23-Dec-13 19:58:13

Meerka and Sally and Everyone in that case, I am very unMumsnet-y, I hadn't heard of that - but hugs on offer for such an awful time to be suffering so.

Sally8655 Mon 23-Dec-13 20:04:21

Thanks meerka and lucinda

It needs a deep clean and everything from re grouting tiles to fixing windows. It's going to be a busy week :-(

Iworrymyselftosleep Mon 23-Dec-13 20:26:52

punkstar it was me wanting to know about ondansetron - thank you.

chocoloco - I hope you got past the receptionists to see someone at the doctors. I completely understand the not wanting to look / see / hear about food. I first read this thread on a 'bad' day - for a group of people made so unhappy by food and drink, we sure talk about it a lot! I hope you have managed to find a drink - any drink! My tip would be - not all water is equal. Tap water doesn't taste like mineral and all mineral water tastes different right now so it's worth sampling several (tesco basic is a winner for me; the evian is still shunned at the back of the cupboard). Also try combinations that you wouldn't normally think of - I've only drank so-dilute-its-barely-there orange squash for days. Last time I existed for a week on a half milk half water with a shot of chocolate milkshake drink, which needless to say isn't a usual tipple either...

Meerka Netherlands Mon 23-Dec-13 20:39:36

good for not being mums-netty, hugs are good!

its funny just how different things taste isnt it ... even being (overall) so much better, veggies taste awful and normally I love 'em :s I've had 3 sips of wine or beer since things got rather better and that tastes disgusting too. meat, yuk

yep, we're drink and food obsessed!

TiredFeet Mon 23-Dec-13 21:38:16

Saw this thread in active conversations and just popping in to wish all sufferers well, this must be an especially difficult time of year to be battling with hyperemesis

I was on the thread back in the spring, my beautiful baby girl was born in November an impressively health 8lb 9. Every time I have cuddles with her or see her big brothers face light up when he sees her it feels worth every bit of the awfulness of hyperemesis to have her here.

Best wishes to all of you and a big hello, happy christmas and thank you to Lucinda for all your support back then!

chocolocodowninacapulco Tue 24-Dec-13 07:10:01

Thank you everyone for all of your advice and input. The GP was lovely yesterday and prescribed me something I could take. We went to several pharmacies and they didn't stock it so called asda who said they could get it for us that day. Got a call in the afternoon to say they were trying to get hold of the gp to query the dose and possibly the drug too, but hadn't managed to get hold of her, so no drugs yet sad. I've been prescribed promazine, it's principle use when you google it is as an antipsychotic ... But it's a sedative so who knows and 1 site I found said that it wasn't safe to use in 1st tri, so we'll see, although I did find a couple of references to it being used for morning sickness. Not sure I will get anything now before the hols, oh well.

I got some ketostix yesterday and by the end of the day by forcing myself to drink more I managed to get down to the nil reading, it was somewhere between ++ and +++ when I first checked.

iworry thank you for the drinking tips. I think volvic is the one for me at the mo. Yes, food is becoming a bit of an obsession!

meerka I hear you on the meat and sorry you're feeling so rough.

<hugs> to everyone else feeling dreadful too. Hope you can all enjoy Christmas.

Meerka Netherlands Tue 24-Dec-13 08:00:48

yeah, it's fine. look at the clinical guidelines : cks.nice.org.uk/nauseavomiting-in-pregnancy#!prescribinginfo

also: www.pregnancysicknesssupport.org.uk/help/treatments/

I havent got time to check atm but im fairly sure its also called prochlorperazine and it's a standard treatment. Not usually first line, but the doc clearly thought it was ok.

theres a LOT of ignorance of the best-practice clinical guidenlines, sounds like yoru doc is on the ball and your pharmacist is not.

so take it in confidence =)

chocolocodowninacapulco Tue 24-Dec-13 09:56:51

Thanks meerka, prescription now changed to 10mg promethazine and hopefully can get some today.

Meerka Netherlands Tue 24-Dec-13 10:01:41

oh right so it really was the wrong thing? heh, my little knowledge is a dangerous thing!

Sorry, unknown pharmacist, that'll teach me to be dismissive (blush)

LucindaE Tue 24-Dec-13 11:09:21

TiredfeetSo lovely of you to come back on to encourage people, thanks for kind words and at just the right time of year.
Iworry Lol, while I know exactly what you mean about different tastes of mineral water - the most expensive, unfortunately, perrier, tasted best to me - it makes me think of 'all water is equal, but some water is more equal than others...'
Choco So glad you've got some suitable meds and a sympathetic GP.
Meerka If your advice was mistaken for once, that is very unusual!
SO, I hope SicknSpan "Sally* Feekerry (can't be long now!) Totes MurderofGothis Chaffinch Livingzuid Jen Butterfly Howly Holly and Everyone has at least a bearable Christmas/Winter Solistice/Yuletide and doesn't suffer too much from smells sights of Christmas food and next Christmas, this will be a distant nightmare.
Sally and Jen I hope the pain isn't too bad, and the same for everyone else with SPD.
Meerka smile You are so right, more UnMumsNet-y hugs on offer for all who need them, or gentle pats...Hope nobody is hospitalised...

jenpatnim Tue 24-Dec-13 12:19:38

Hey all! It's Christmas Eve! I know none of us are at our best but it is still Christmas!

I had my checkup at the docs yesterday. I got my whooping cough vaccination (and my arm feels very sore today, boo) and a referral to physio for the SPD, so I feel that was productive. Next checkup is at the hospital on 6th January.

But other than that I really just want to wish everyone here as merry a Christmas as possible under the circumstances. Try to enjoy time with loved ones if you can't manage the food, and look forward to a new year that brings new lives and joy. Big, fat, squishy hugs for everyone xxxx